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02:43.08Clyphoxanyone alive?
05:01.58new2unixmoin all
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07:06.12TarragonMoin
07:10.38zacharymoin Tarragon
07:12.44TarragonSeems like a good day to do an install
07:17.43zacharyyea, I'm going to install some sun on my skin. :)
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08:11.59TarragonWhat is the best tool for looking at a .tex file?
08:14.29murblecat
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08:51.16piemoo
09:11.25cuphmm I quite like ximian
09:11.47pieyes, she is rather nice.
09:12.10pieOh, you mean as in gnome...
09:12.40pieI am using gnome 2.2
09:12.44pieit is nice
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09:27.01jason_ukfsngood morning all
09:27.43piemorning
09:38.56zacharymoin jason_ukfsn
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09:48.43zacharybrb
09:49.21piemornin' paul
09:49.29nasratmorning
09:51.40piestill morning.
10:02.11ClyphoxMorning
10:02.17Clyphoxximian oo is nice
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11:12.31new2unix-hi all. just popped in to see how you'all doing.
11:13.52TarragonOK
11:13.55new2unix-not havin a very pleasant day here. Just found out a BrandNew Toshiba Lappy got stolen sometime between last Friday and today
11:14.44new2unix-twas kept in an unlocked drawer to be worked on today. not even the serial numbers were recorded down.
11:15.56new2unix-good thing we have the boxed copy of WinXP Home and the Power adapter. hah
11:16.50new2unix-Anyways... getting back to work now. got some MACusers crying on my answer phone. seeyas laterz
11:19.35sashHas anyone tried the FightBox?
11:20.06sash-- http://www.bbc.co.uk/fightbox/
11:20.52nasratsash: win32 only
11:21.36sashWINE? VMWARE?
11:22.04TarragonDirectX - Errrgh!
11:23.11nasratsash: not on ppc
11:23.25nasratdon't even mention bochs + wine :)
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11:33.11nasrathey NisoRamen
11:33.27NisoRamenAfternoon Nasrat.
11:33.37NisoRamenYou soend more time in here than ibot ;)
11:34.01nasratah well I'm good at multitasking, or slacking :)
11:34.20NisoRamenSo what else you doing? Running stupidly new kernels?
11:34.34nasratnot - submitting patches for ant
11:34.49NisoRamenAh... wnats broke in it this wekk? :)
11:36.00NisoRamenVMware seems to be screwing with the routing a bit.
11:45.53nasratibot: lart projects that just drop public interfaces without deprecation
11:46.06NisoRamenNasrat: Ant?
11:46.52nasratnah jakarta-commons-collections
11:47.06NisoRamenAhhh. Arnt they all still alpha quality though?
11:48.06nasratnah they aren't in the sandbox.  They came from the aspect orientated guy ( saw him talk)
11:48.08NisoRamenI saw this "http://www.onjava.com/pub/a/onjava/2003/06/25/commons.html" mentioning thenm recently. they look interesting.
11:48.29NisoRamenAspects == hype.
11:48.53nasratactually it might be our packaging just going to check
11:53.02TarragonCheapest thing on scan is the WinTV PCI FM cards. Everyone else has them around £75
11:53.24NisoRamenBlimey. Six months of silence and you speak twice in a week.
11:53.26NisoRamenlol
11:54.35TarragonI will make sure it does not happen again
11:54.51NisoRamenI got the new linux mag. Not too shabby
11:55.04NisoRamenThe heartbeat article has a potential flaw i think.
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12:32.09new2unix|wb /me
12:32.28sashHe's talking to himself again.
12:38.54new2unix|Oh. Milton? Yes.
12:44.13new2unix|q
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12:53.24SPQR'lo
12:55.28sashwb
12:56.38SPQRthx
13:06.01JDhi all
13:06.20SPQRhey JD
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13:34.29Xiaoqihihi
13:36.24sashHelllooo
13:47.31Jensonafternoon all
13:48.26nasrathi Jenson
13:48.48Jensonhey nasrat. Still lookoing forward you ya talk are ya?
13:49.09nasratit should be ok :)
13:49.34Jensonnot that i'll be there to see it lol
13:51.22sashHow will you be packaging your talk? :)
13:51.32dankolbrar
13:51.58Jensonheya dankolb you gonna be at gllug or not?
13:52.02nasratyou can run but you can't hide :)
13:52.07dankolbnot sure
13:52.12sashHeh, rar a -s -m5 -mm DIR.rar DIR/*
13:52.55Jensondankolb: Drag ya bum to the pub, thats the inmportant bit :P
13:53.19dankolbErrr....only if I rearrange a meeting with a friend
13:53.59JensonBring the friend...who is she?
13:54.09dankolbWhy do you think it's a she?
13:54.29JensonCoz you're a good looking guy with a good personality :P
13:54.34dankolbSo?
13:54.37sashdankolb: How charitable of you to subsidise a street gentlemen. Getting him drunk isn't advisable.
13:54.51dankolbDoes that mean I can't have any male friends?
13:55.05Jensonnope, you have lots of male friends
13:55.29dankolbsash: A philosophy graduate.....I guess he could be a street gentleman :-)
13:55.42dankolbExactly. So don't assume that it's a she I'm going to a pub with
13:55.56JensonYeh but it is lol
13:56.27dankolbWhat?
13:56.39sashIs he philosophical only when drunk?
13:57.09Jensonlol Dan you silly monster
13:57.14dankolbYou made no sense.
13:57.43nasratNisoRamen: this is not the channel you are looking for
13:57.44Jensonheya NisoRamen
13:58.05dankolbWhat did you mean by 'yeh but it is lol'?
13:58.14NisoRamenLate afternoon all.
13:58.15sashNisoRamen: You have become lost in a maze of twisty passages.
13:58.22Jensonit's a she.....anyway dankolb bring her to gllug with you?
13:58.24NisoRamenNasrat: You and Hearns will both be speaking this weekend.
13:58.31dankolbWhy do you assume it's a she?
13:58.51Jensonbecause if it wasnt, you wouldnt be asking me why i assume its a she lol
13:58.58dankolbYes I would.
13:59.08dankolbBecause your assumption is wrong.
13:59.20dankolbAnd you'd notice that if you actually read any of the rest of this channel
13:59.30NisoRamenDan your brining a man to GLLUG? Don't we have enough already ;)
13:59.31JensonWell, if its a guy, bring them all the more
13:59.38JensonNisoRamen: Nope, never enough
13:59.49sashNisoRamen: Don't forget Grzegorz Jaskiewicz
13:59.51JensonI'm bringing one two...well actually I think Alex is bringing him lol
13:59.56NisoRamenJenson your a minority in this argument.
13:59.57dankolbsash: He's randomly philosophical
14:00.11NisoRamenGrzegorz Jaskiewicz? I'd lkike to buy a voewl
14:00.14NisoRamenGah
14:00.19sashHeh
14:00.23JensonNisoRamen: I would bring some girls....but I only know one lol
14:00.47NisoRamenShed be bored out of her mind in twnety minutes. Kernel internals, packaging and clusters...
14:00.59NisoRamenShaping up to be an interesting day.
14:01.01Jensonand dankolb I do read the rest of the channel, i just dunno how to scroll with putty
14:01.07dankolbI'm not sure if it's internals
14:01.15SPQRpgup
14:01.21sashdankolb: Is the MALE friend linked up to a radioactive source? Or is he pseudo random?
14:01.36JensonNisoRamen: At least I've never fallen asleep in a gllug talk lol unlike one person i know
14:01.42NisoRamenIts a beginners guide to the kernel. I'll slip out for that one :)
14:01.56NisoRamenJenson i managed to get most of gllug to sleep at my talk.
14:01.58dankolbWell, you don't need scrolling because it was in the middle of the other bits of conversation about it
14:01.59JensonSPQR: grrr....i tried that a min ago and it refused to work
14:02.04JensonNow i can go read #incantus
14:02.14TarragonSo I fall asleep in some talks. not a crime
14:02.22NisoRamenIt is when your the speaker :P
14:02.33sashTarragon: Heh.
14:02.52NisoRamenComeon vim compile dammit.
14:03.04JensonTarragon: yeh but you didnt fall asleep on me....i was secretly thinking 'fall off the chair then you'll look like an idiot'
14:03.07TarragonI will never speak at GLLUG. Bad enough when I do at SCLUG and that is to a small audience
14:03.15sashLook, Tarragon attends a lot of LUGs. He's a groupie. Groupies do need sleep at some point.
14:03.18JensonItr was one of Leeds talks... bout shell
14:03.27NisoRamen"yeh but you didnt fall asleep on me" LOL
14:03.35NisoRamenSo Dan... tell us more :P
14:03.40sash* Ahem *
14:03.41JensonNisoRamen: wasnt Dan
14:03.44dankolbMore? About what?
14:03.45JensonDan isnt thatn impolite
14:04.00NisoRamenAH sorry Dan. i'm impinging on your honour incorrectly
14:04.06dankolbAh. No offence taken, then.
14:04.20JensonNisoRamen: Dan's a good boy :P
14:04.27NisoRamenSo name names...
14:04.33dankolbzimm
14:04.36Jensonty dankolb
14:04.38JensonI was gonna say
14:04.43Jensonhe who's shagging a vet student
14:04.46Jensonbut zimm will do#
14:04.52NisoRamenWhos talk was it? Leeds?
14:04.53TarragonJenson: I have some emails in my rash floder that might help stop men falling asleep on you.
14:05.01Tarragons/trash/rash
14:05.02Jensonyeh NisoRamen
14:05.09NisoRamenROFL Tarragon yeah right
14:05.11sashRash flooders?
14:05.14dankolbTarragon: Other way round
14:05.17dankolbs/rash/trash/
14:05.31Tarragons/floder/folder
14:05.32NisoRamenWas it the first or the second time he gave that talk?
14:05.34JensonTarragon: bah, i can manage that by myself. cant I SPQR and dankolb
14:05.54JensonNisoRamen: fsck knows, i wasnt gonna go to the talk but leeds saw me at the last minute and made me go
14:06.06NisoRamenFirst time was funny. Some serious heckeling. Must have been the second time then.
14:06.19JensonNisoRamen: He threatened to use a bottlw as a lart
14:06.22Jensonthats all i remember
14:06.50NisoRamenThat was one of my fav gluggs. High audience partiapation.
14:07.12JensonNisoRamen: Except dfor Mr zimm, who was asleep, poor sweety, probably on a comedown
14:07.16NisoRamenYah vims finished. BRB
14:07.40Jensondankolb: How's Heather?
14:07.47NisoRamenRuby bindings didnt take.
14:07.57dankolbBah.
14:08.02dankolbDon't use Ruby, then.
14:08.10NisoRamenI'm starting to like Ruby.
14:08.19NisoRamenI've done perl and python. time to move on ;)
14:08.20dankolbBah. Use Forth :-P
14:08.31NisoRamenForth is for students and open boot proms.
14:08.39NisoRamenHeres a quid, get a real language
14:08.43dankolbHeh.
14:08.55NisoRamenibot jython
14:08.56no idea, NisoRamen
14:09.08NisoRamenDan i've done C#, dont mock. its pretty sweet
14:09.19dankolbElegance of C++ with speed of Java?
14:09.33NisoRamenparse error, Java and speed in one line... :)
14:09.51NisoRamenThink of it as a Service pack for java but with a better IDE.
14:09.53dankolbprase error, Elegance and C++ in one line, too, surely?
14:10.06dankolbBah. IDE. What's wrong with emacs?
14:10.10NisoRamenI assumed you were using one of the obscure buired meanings of the STD :)
14:10.32NisoRamenI only have eight fingers and two thumbs... i need the footpedal to use it :P
14:10.55NisoRamenAlthough viper mode is novel.
14:10.56JensonGod i cant use vim
14:11.00JensonI always get stuck in it
14:11.06Jensonthe only vim command I've learnt is quit
14:11.19NisoRamenJenson. press escape a lot and then you can enter commands :)
14:11.28NisoRamenThats notepad isnt it?
14:11.38JensonNisoRamen: Kind of
14:11.43JensonMind you I like Notepad
14:11.46Jensonnice little program
14:11.47NisoRamenLOL slackware and notepad...
14:12.00dankolbwine+notepad
14:12.15NisoRamenWhy on earth would you want notepad?!
14:12.24dankolbIt's better than MS Word
14:12.30NisoRamenAhh but wordpads better.
14:12.32JensonNisoRamen: I used text files to save lyircs and poems, thats all lol
14:12.35JensonI hate Wordpad
14:12.37NisoRamenAnd Cestus wordpad has a spellchecker built in.
14:12.46NisoRamenGet vim for windows :)
14:13.03NisoRamenAlthough vims scripting language is shite.
14:13.12NisoRamenEmacs wins on that one.
14:13.21NisoRamenAlthough it has lisp so i docking points.
14:13.32JensonEmacs has a psychiaatrist...or did I imagine that
14:13.38TarragonEmacs - 20MB to write a 6 line config file!
14:13.42NisoRamenYep, an eliza ish bot.
14:13.52JensonNisoRamen: yeh someone showed it to me once
14:13.58JensonI've got one for Windpoes somewhere
14:13.59dankolbNo, that's Word. Or are you talking about memory usage, rather than file size
14:14.01Jensonerm Windows
14:14.02NisoRamenYou can do a plugin for vim that does that with Chatbot::Eliza.
14:14.19JensonElizabot is weird
14:14.23NisoRamenDan in any conversation about emacs we discuss memory usage ;)
14:14.31dankolbEight Megs And Constantly Swapping
14:14.32NisoRamenJenson Why o you say that?
14:14.39NisoRamenDan: Optimist, its eighty...
14:15.00JensonNisoRamen: Coz i tend to forget I'm talking to a bot lol, and then I remember., so now I avoid it
14:15.16NisoRamenJenson why Coz i tend to forget I'm talking to a bot lol, and then I remember?
14:15.21NisoRamenlol
14:15.40Jensonlol
14:15.58Jensonpretending to be a bot is quite fun
14:16.06JensonI really must make my bot do something
14:16.09Jensonit doesnt do anything
14:16.44NisoRamenWe need to get Skugg an irc connection at work...
14:17.05Tarragonibot seen skugg
14:17.05skugg <~stig@braut.plus.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 16h 18m 58s ago, saying: 'bye.'.
14:17.16NisoRamenI was here then as well...
14:17.20NisoRamenThis is getting sad.
14:17.25Jensondankolb: if you still feel like killing zimm, he'll be in London next weekend
14:17.37dankolbHow about, I don't give a shit?
14:17.47Jensongood good
14:17.51Tarragonbitter bitter bitter
14:17.57JensonTarragon: yeh
14:18.18JensonIt's alright, zimm has said all the same things to me
14:18.21JensonNot that I blame him
14:18.38NisoRamen******************************              OFF TOPIC          ****************************
14:18.41Jensonlol yeh
14:18.44Jensonmy thought exactly
14:19.08Jensonoh well i gotta be going
14:19.11Jensonseeya later guys
14:19.15piehello
14:19.18NisoRamenLaters.
14:19.22pieum, bye jenson
14:19.23NisoRamenOne out one in.
14:19.27Jensonheya pie, cya pie
14:19.28NisoRamenSee Pie its all your fault ;)
14:19.30Jensoncya NisoRamen
14:19.34JensonI've gotmwork to do lol
14:19.53pieno come back jenson...
14:20.06sashLOL
14:20.21NisoRamenThat sentance is very ambigus without punctuation :P
14:20.49pieum, um, um.
14:20.51pieum.
14:21.01NisoRamenno come back, jenson...
14:21.10NisoRamenno, come back jenson
14:21.24pieno. come, back-jenson
14:22.21sashWhat is this thing called? Love.
14:22.32sashWhat! Is this thing called love?
14:22.37NisoRamenLove is a diease invented by bank accountants to make you over drawn.
14:22.38piewho, me?
14:22.54NisoRamenArnold Rimmer.
14:23.11pieI am a fish.
14:23.15pie<PROTECTED>
14:23.17pierimmer
14:23.51sashLove: A temporary insanity cureable either by marriage or by removal of the influences under which he incurred the disorder. It is sometimes fatal, but more frequently to the physician than the patient
14:24.03pie<sigh> I just ot back from the pub
14:24.08sash-- Ambrose Bierce, Devil's Dictionary.
14:24.27piehaving difficulty focussing...
14:24.55sashI am the walrus, coocoo cachoo
14:25.04piemakes sense
14:25.05SPQRlol
14:25.25sashDon't come too near, I'm hungry.
14:25.46piehungry for lurve?
14:25.57sashMmm, pickled fish.
14:25.57SPQRthat or pie :P
14:26.17pieyikes!
14:26.39NisoRamenNo eating the attendees.
14:26.51NisoRamenthat sounded wrong...
14:26.57sashpiebald hides?
14:26.57SPQRawww :( but I was feeling peckish!!
14:28.35SPQRI am not bald...
14:29.33sashI am merely foliclly challenged.
14:30.01SPQRhehe
14:36.23piehmmm, pie
14:38.13ItWasColdbrrrr.
14:38.42ItWasColdhttp://home.hellacool.co.uk/pie.jpg
14:39.29sashpie: How's S. Wimbledon?
14:39.34pieOK
14:39.37SPQRjust by looking at the name makes me think of south park :P
14:39.38pieYou still around there?
14:39.43pie:-)
14:40.02sashpie: I was in the West. I've moved to E. London.
14:40.17pieOh well, someones got to :-)_
14:40.21piewell remembered
14:43.10pieclap
14:43.33pieA maplins has opened in wimbledon now
14:43.38piethis is very cool*
14:43.46pie*depending on your point of view
14:44.56jason_ukfsnexit
14:45.08jason_ukfsnsorry, wrong window
14:45.09piewut?
14:45.14pieheh :-)
14:45.42pielucky you didn't do: gtv pron.mpeg
14:45.51piethat would hav been embarrasing
14:45.55TarragonWe seen you now jason_ukfsn!
14:46.04pieyou can't hime
14:46.07piehide
14:46.08pieeven
14:46.19pieyou can't hime, that doesn't exist
14:46.33piecurse stella artois
14:46.34jason_ukfsnor himes even
14:46.39pie:-)
14:46.45jason_ukfsnibot curse wifebeater
14:46.46jason_ukfsn: i haven't a clue
14:46.55jason_ukfsnibot lart wifebeater
14:46.57pieibot seen god
14:46.58god <~ioda006@12-223-160-184.client.insightbb.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #tomcat, 6d 2h 5m 26s ago, saying: 'ta ta.'.
14:47.26NisoRamenGod does not use Java...
14:47.46NisoRamenAlthough it may explain why its so often between comings... the start up time is a killer.
14:48.03god1 0wnZ y00
14:48.12pieseen god?
14:48.14nasrathey it's alanis
14:48.19pieibot seen god
14:48.19god <~will@linguaphone.plus.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 16s ago, saying: '1 0wnZ y00'.
14:48.20jason_ukfsn1 0wnz j00
14:48.31NisoRamenKick god :)
14:48.36pieoi
14:48.47jason_ukfsnibot seen pron
14:48.47i haven't seen 'pron', jason_ukfsn
14:48.49NisoRamenItd look great in the logs ;)
14:48.59NisoRamenGod was kicked from GLLUG.
14:49.03pieHeh
14:49.15pienot good enough
14:49.17NisoRamen"We have standards you know"
14:49.38dankolbGrrr.
14:49.46piehello dankolb
14:49.50dankolbHi.
14:49.53piegrrr?
14:49.58dankolbPaint is coming off the TiBook
14:50.14piemaybe you shouldn't have painted it...
14:50.22dankolbBoom boom.
14:50.25dankolbThe original paint.
14:50.35pieI spilt wine on my laptop and now the left shift + alt keys don't work.
14:50.52NisoRamenHelp. Machine 1 has net access. Machine 2 doesn't. machine one has ip_forward set to yes
14:50.56NisoRamenMachine 1 can see out
14:50.57pielast time I spilt water on it and half the keyboard stopped working
14:51.19NisoRamenmachine 2 can't but can see machine 1. The routing table looks right. have mi missed anything?
14:51.20piehad to get a new kb
14:51.43pieHisoRamen: sounds like a problem.
14:51.53sashpie: Perhaps you shouldn't drink near the computers.
14:51.56dankolbWhat's the routing tables?
14:52.08TarragonNisoRamen: What distro?
14:52.17NisoRamenboth debian both in vmware.
14:52.25pieyou done the: ehco 1 > /proc/something/io_forward_smething dance?
14:52.29NisoRamenyep.
14:52.33jason_ukfsnNisoRamen: does the 2nd system have a public IP or private one? If private do you have NAT running?
14:52.34pieoh
14:52.39dankolbecho 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
14:52.41NisoRamen.. /proc/sys/net or net/sys
14:52.43piethat one
14:52.54NisoRamensecond is private.
14:53.00piesorry, three pints of wifebeater is couding my memory
14:53.08pieand my spelling
14:53.12NisoRamenvmware nats the mahcine 1 out so it can see the net but machine 1 doesnt nat for machine 2
14:53.27TarragonCan machine 2 ping an outside address?
14:53.35NisoRamennope. only machine one can.
14:53.42NisoRamenand the host of course.
14:53.43jason_ukfsnif the 2nd has a private IP you'll need NAT on the system it uses as gateway.
14:53.46piesash: wine tastes better slurped out of a keyboard, surely
14:53.52NisoRamenGah, knew i forgot something.
14:53.54NisoRamenthanks.
14:54.25sashpie: I think the "mouth feel" would be unique.
14:54.33NisoRamenWhy couldnt i have missed something subtle :)
14:56.23SPQRnaps are better
15:00.28pieI am feeling so sleepy
15:01.24SPQRgo back to dozeing? :P
15:02.30pieno, I should really pretend to be doing some work.
15:02.33sashpie: Your limbs are feeling heavier and heavier, your eyelids bear the weight of ages.
15:02.54pieHey, stop it, I will fall off my chair if you carry on
15:03.00sashpie: Your spine is snaking rhythmically.
15:03.21sashYAWN.
15:03.23pietwo of the bolts fell out of my chair yestrday
15:03.51pieIf I lean back too far I will break it
15:04.07sashThe air feels like syrup.
15:04.19pieyes, yes it does
15:04.38pieI think I am hungry
15:04.42pieHmmmm, food
15:04.43sashAlcoholic cough mixture.
15:05.18pieI really feel like a kebab.
15:05.51sashYou are feeling sluggish. Power down.
15:06.12piestop trying to send me to sleep!
15:06.13jason_ukfsnsuspend to desk
15:06.14SPQRsash: he ain't using widoze :P
15:06.56sashZzzz.
15:07.03pieMssr clifford, vis zese excellent hosting opportunities joo are spoiling us!
15:07.10pie:)
15:07.25Tarragonsash: Dextromethorphan?
15:07.26sash* Ahem *
15:07.36piewut?
15:07.39sashTarragon: That's the ticket.
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15:07.54pieboo
15:08.00sashpie: I can see that you are preoccupied.
15:08.07pieam I?
15:08.32sashIn "amusing yourself." *cough* *cough*
15:08.37Tarragonsash: Very hard to keep down as you need about a pint (Or so I am told...)
15:08.37pieis that another word for tipsy?
15:08.48pieAaaaaaaah.
15:08.59pieum, no, my colleagues would complain.
15:09.03sashTarragon: Use a catheter.
15:10.45TarragonTablet form is easier to take but harder to obtain
15:12.01sashTarragon: You are a veritable cornucopia of information.
15:14.35pie.me
15:21.14piehmmmm.
15:22.19pieeuuuugh
15:22.33dankolbPunch and pie.
15:22.41pieCheesy poofs!
15:22.42sashPigeon pie?
15:22.55sashs/pigeon/chicken/
15:23.00SPQRbird pies
15:23.20TarragonRook pie is better
15:23.28pieis jenson related to jenso button?
15:23.36piejenson button
15:23.48SPQRhair pies ;)
15:23.49sashI have eaten cuckoo.
15:24.03SPQRI've had quial
15:24.20sashSPQR: Sounds painful. :)
15:24.31piemust have been itcy.
15:24.39SPQRnaa, just crunchy :D
15:24.49TarragonHad sparrows and finches to eat in Italy
15:25.10SPQRI think I've had peacock. Not sure yet.
15:25.45sashSPQR: Hint - look out for long multicoloured feathers.
15:25.51sash:)
15:27.04sashTa ta.
15:29.51SPQRsupernova is the celestial equvalent of "rm -fr\ * with root permissions
15:30.57pievery useful to know...
15:34.31SPQRhmm.. didn't do that quite right...
15:35.00SPQRrm -fr\ * = rm -fr \*
15:35.05SPQRthat ;ooks better :)
15:35.57Clyphoxwtf is the \ for?
15:36.07pieI was assuming /
15:36.20pieSPQR, lay off the gin.
15:36.24SPQRdunno. got it from some warped mag :P
15:36.50pieanyway, rf sounds better
15:36.54piethan fr
15:37.06SPQRya
15:37.29SPQRI don't like gin btw... I prefer heaver stuff  ;)
15:37.40SPQR*heavier
15:37.59pieI like gin, but only recently
15:38.20SPQRhehe
15:38.38pieI never used to like it until about a month ago I had a g&t and liked it
15:38.51piebeeeeezare
15:38.53nasratbombay saphire is nice
15:38.56SPQRdid you try the g&t with tonic?
15:38.58pienever had it
15:39.01SPQR*sorry bitters
15:39.03pieonly london dry
15:39.08SPQRahh
15:39.14SPQRI prefer a martini :)
15:39.57pieI heard that you like stout, nasrat :)
15:40.15nasratah yes I'm a big fan of stout
15:40.29dankolbOops.
15:40.31piehow were you the next morning anyway :)
15:40.43pieI prefer a stdin and tonic :)
15:40.51dankolb:)
15:40.56nasrata bit tired, drinking by pm though
15:41.01piegood good
15:41.09pieit is good for your soulk
15:41.12pieit is good for your soul
15:41.47pie9I have had three already today
15:42.08dankolbnasrat: Cold and wet?
15:42.33nasratdark and murky with a light head?
15:42.46dankolbBack later.
15:42.50SPQRcya dankolb
15:47.56SPQRsorry. bored.
15:48.12Clyphoxand being paid. life sucks
15:48.25SPQRyup
15:48.34SPQRwell I did some work earlier :)
15:49.10SPQRwen to hmb and back twice on the moped :) with a pc on the back for alft the journey
15:49.14SPQR*half
15:50.05SPQRgah.
15:51.15pielater
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15:52.39SPQRback
15:52.44SPQRcya pie
15:56.01pielater
15:56.05pieum, now I am going
15:56.10piebye
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16:11.54zimmSPQR,
16:12.06zimmyou seen Tom ?
16:16.55SPQRnot lately
16:17.03zimmbummer ,
16:17.13zimmstill cant log in to resudaed.com is all .. :9
16:17.32SPQR:(
16:17.46SPQRHe probly hasn't been able to get a cpu yet
16:21.54nasrat<PROTECTED>
16:21.57nasratdoh
16:24.42zimmSPQR, DOH , oh yeh , forgot about that
16:25.22SPQRhehe. I'll see how he's fairing in hios quest when I see him next :)
16:25.31zimm:0p
16:25.33zimmerr ..
16:25.34zimm:)
16:25.41zimmdamn keyboard
16:25.54SPQRget a better 1? ;)
16:26.00zimmnot my PC
16:26.07zimm;)
16:26.11SPQRahh
16:26.24SPQRwell make who ever's machine it is get a better 1 :P
16:26.31zimmhehe
16:26.35zimmim at work , lol
16:26.54SPQRwell tell them they need to upgrade!!
16:27.10zimmmm , could do ..
16:27.37SPQRthen offer to take some of the old machines off them ;)
16:27.43zimmalthough seeing as they are having troube finding the cash to fix xthe jag E-type , i think the office OC may be of little concern to them
16:27.49SPQRcan be very benificial ;)
16:27.52zimmhehe
16:28.06SPQRhmm..
16:28.09zimmits not a bad box actually ..
16:28.37SPQRjust the keyboard?
16:28.53zimmathlon XP, lots of ram , tft screen ,,, geforce graphics ,
16:29.06SPQRnot bad at all..
16:29.29zimmand a 40 gig ata100 drive ..
16:29.40zimmall in all .. its a damn site nicer than my box :(
16:29.48SPQRdefinitky not bad. though I don't know what they'll do with 40gig...
16:30.04SPQRhehe
16:30.05zimmwith broadband ? download pr0n like everyone else :)
16:30.26SPQRya, but that will still take a ong time to fill ;)
16:30.36zimmhehe ..
16:30.37SPQRs/ong/long
16:30.49SPQRunless ya get to play games on it...
16:30.59SPQRthen it filles up very fast!!
16:31.10zimmnot yet ,, but thats a possibilty
16:32.15SPQRgood good
16:32.51SPQRno office is complete without at least q3a
16:33.00zimm:)
16:33.14zimmbeen playing black hawk down at home ..
16:34.19SPQRany good? I've only seen the moive
16:35.05zimmits quite good yeh ...
16:35.12zimmnothing too speciall .. but ok ..
16:35.23zimmneeds a fast nox to run nicely though
16:35.28zimms nox/box
16:36.26SPQRya, most games do now aday
16:36.31SPQR*nowadays
16:37.31SPQRI need some more ram for my machine to make it faster :)
16:38.51Tarragonbut tha has always been the case. twenty years ago everyone was complaining how you needed a faster machine to run 8bit graphics. five years ago the same was true for counter strike with everyone wanting a 500MHz machine.
16:39.08SPQRtrue :)
16:39.40SPQRI think thats why I mainly buy the older games :) less likely to slow down on me :)
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16:40.10SPQRhey NeW2LinuX
16:40.19NeW2LinuXhi ya
16:40.24NeW2LinuXhello all.
16:40.34TarragonHi
16:41.26NeW2LinuXstill feeling a little sad from the loss of the new Laptop :(
16:41.46SPQRhow did that happen?
16:41.53TarragonWill insurance cover it? Who knew it was there?
16:42.28SPQRit get nicked?
16:42.53NeW2LinuXWe had builders over the weekend fit a new Airconditioner. IT Manager reckons it had to be an inside job cos he "knows the builders and they wouldnt stoop so low"
16:43.08SPQRhmm...
16:43.20SPQRmake the police check his house first ;)
16:44.12NeW2LinuXIt was deleivered on Thursday. Opened deboxed on Friday and Windowsupdate was run on it (almost 3hrs) then droped in the drawer till today when the srawer was opend and found empty.
16:44.14zimmlaters guys
16:44.20NeW2LinuXbye zimm
16:44.32SPQR:/
16:45.08NeW2LinuXWe still have the original Toshiba box, Win2k Prof. box set, and power adapter. lol
16:45.28SPQRlol
16:47.04NeW2LinuXThere wasnt any time to take down the serial numbers. and it wasnt insured, i dont think. besides it was dropped in an unlocked drawer which was in an unlocked Office over the weekened so i guess we have no resoanble claim.
16:47.24SPQRonly for theft I think.
16:48.07SPQRits happened b4 where laptops have been stolen when the owner turns their head for a few secs.
16:48.24NeW2LinuXStaff walk in and out of IT so it coulda been anyone. Oh well... Its gone now. no point crying over spilt milk. hey?
16:49.00TarragonWait till someone asks for a spare PSU
16:49.01SPQRyup. Hopefully you'll get a new 1 asap :)
16:49.44NeW2LinuXIt wasnt mine. I was building it for one of our foreign directors. lol
16:50.11NeW2LinuXHe's back next week. i guess he's already heard the news. there goes my payrise. haha
16:51.16NeW2LinuXok. thats enough whinging from me. I betta lockup before somebody steals the banisters or water cooler. one can never be too sure anymore.
16:52.28NeW2LinuXI knew i should have installed Debian on that box. the thief woulda been back to complain that the Laptop was fscked. haha
16:52.40NeW2LinuXbye all
16:54.13SPQRtime for me to head off as well
16:54.16SPQRcya al
16:54.18SPQR*all
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17:06.28zacharywb gregj
17:06.34gregjzachary: hey
17:06.50gregji had a strange problem with my server
17:06.53gregjbut it is ok now
17:07.04gregjgoing back to KDE development :]
17:17.16dankolbFun
17:24.28gregji do
17:29.50TarragonOK Pie's picture added to the irc photo page.
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17:48.06*** part/#gllug jcasslcl (~jcasslcl@66-152-44-109.ded.btitelecom.net)
18:01.59zacharyWould the irc-photo page look better if we used tables?
18:02.18*** join/#gllug stephanb (~frog@dsl-80-46-201-192.access.uk.tiscali.com)
18:04.22stephanbJD: yo
18:18.41Tarragonzachary: Probably. It was just a quick fix
18:30.23*** part/#gllug stephanb (~frog@dsl-80-46-201-192.access.uk.tiscali.com)
18:54.44JDhi all
18:55.10new2unixhi JD
18:56.58JDnew2unix: there was a story on el reg about someone who got their laptop back cos it was running linux
18:57.02murblezachary: it'd look better if it didn't have photos but that would deaft the point of having it i suspect.
18:57.46new2unixwhats wrong with your photo murble?
18:58.26new2unixJD: really? but this was a bog standard Win install so i'm pretty fxcked. oh well. :(
18:58.59JDnew2unix: pretty much
18:59.01Jensonheya JD
18:59.45murblenew2unix: hopefully my photo isn't up there.
19:01.05JensonJD: unixsex.com lol
19:03.31JDcharlies angels Sky movies 1
19:03.55murbleJD: you got your camera?
19:04.08JDoh yes
19:04.13JDfinally arrived today
19:04.18JDthey said they had shipped it
19:04.22JDyesterday
19:04.45JDbut DHL said they didn;t pick it up until 40min after I spoke to them for the second time
19:04.53*** join/#gllug Leeds (~richardc@user-669.bbd04tcl.dsl.pol.co.uk)
19:05.22Leedshey hey!
19:05.47murbleJD: what was it?
19:05.53murblethe camera?
19:06.01JDpentax optio S
19:06.38JDsmaller than a cridet card
19:06.44JDcredit
19:07.49JD3.2Mpixel
19:08.40JDJenson: you have a sick mind re: unixsex.com
19:09.02JensonI think formi intorduced me to it
19:12.18JDthen you and formi are sick
19:12.36Jensonlol
19:12.39Leedsthis machine gets slow when ripping/vorbis-ing a CD...
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19:13.05JDLeeds: it is called processor usage
19:13.06Jensoni still dont think ive got mine setup to rip in linux. got loadsa stuff setup wrong
19:13.27LeedsJD: I had an MP machine until 6 months ago - this machine has far more cycles, but they're not as well spread out
19:13.30JDJenson: you know the biggest problem
19:14.07Jensonwhat JD
19:14.19JDslack
19:14.27Jensonlol
19:14.30Leedsyeah - you dump slack and nothing works..
19:14.47JensonLeeds: yeh i had thatm problem with Debian
19:14.55JDJenson: get a mandrake or something
19:15.00Jensonso many dependencies errors during install that i installed slak 9 ober it
19:15.20JensonJD: nah, I have windows for ripping burning and gaming
19:16.06new2unixJenson: thats the way to do it. stick with windows like Sash and others. :)
19:16.40sashnew2unix: We all know what it is that _you_ do best!
19:16.45Jensonnew2unix: ty hon :P now go put that tshirt in the freezer and sit around naked like you were going too!
19:17.03new2unixhuh?
19:17.13dankolb*bzzt* off-topic
19:17.36new2unixcheers dan.
19:17.46NisoRamenOfftopic? someone call? :)
19:17.52Jensonhey NisoRamen hon
19:18.06Jensondankolb: lol did we wake you up
19:18.14NisoRamenAction in the GLLUG room. It was worth the wait.
19:18.19dankolbYes.
19:18.25dankolbI feel like being off-topic police for tonight
19:18.39NisoRamenAnd helpful, sorta
19:18.50Jensondankolb: oh, wanna handcuff me?
19:18.59dankolb*bzzt* off-topic
19:19.10Jensonexaclty
19:19.11NisoRamenLOL
19:19.29JDNisoRamen: you brave #debian?
19:19.35JDbrave man
19:19.39NisoRamenOnly when i have dumb quetions.
19:19.50JDdankolb: get your +q badges ready
19:20.00NisoRamenIts slightly better than the #redhat room.
19:20.08dankolbOoh yes. I'd forgotten that. Thanks :)
19:20.22NisoRamen"I just like, hu, installed, hu Linux 8 and right, its not working. (Dribble)
19:20.29LeedsI've found #slackware quite friendly :-)
19:20.35JDturning japanese :)
19:20.35dankolbBah. Use Linux 9 obviously, then. :-P
19:20.42dankolb"BBC Radio 3. Quiet, isn't it?"
19:20.47NisoRamenIf i insult Slackware will you get the other five users and gang up on me then? :)
19:20.55dankolbYes.
19:21.00dankolbInsulting Slackware is off-topic.
19:21.10sashHeh
19:21.14JDlol
19:21.22JDargh latency
19:21.22NisoRamenSlackware was a very good distro. in its days.
19:21.33dankolbIt still has its days, then.
19:21.41Leedsit's day hasn't passed
19:21.47NisoRamenYep. Nostaliga is very potent ;)
19:21.51sashEmacs is a very good distro too.
19:21.56murblethe day of the slackware
19:22.05NisoRamenLeeds, until it gets Jablicator and apt-proxy its gone :)
19:22.19sashIs dankolb handing out freebies?
19:22.27NisoRamennever done VAX. except when alone at night and... wrong type of vax.
19:22.29dankolbno.
19:22.35Jensonoooh i want some of dankolb, i mean his computers
19:22.43NisoRamenVAX == Dead.
19:22.45NisoRamenI hope
19:23.00dankolb"As the charwoman of time shake-n-vacs the shagpile of eternity..."
19:23.03JDI've used an old alpa box
19:23.12NisoRamenI'm an occasional sysadmin not an archiologist. I dont do VAXen or Novell
19:23.17JDalpha
19:23.22dankolbNovell isn't dead yet.
19:23.34dankolbthen again, neither's Rod Stewart.
19:23.37NisoRamenDan: Denial isnt just a river you know
19:23.46NisoRamenNovell == TRex
19:23.54JDdiaz
19:24.04NisoRamenJD, shes blonde and rich. Sort your standards out.
19:24.35sashOoh, Oprah Oprah, go girlfriend.
19:24.38JDNisoRamen: she is also blonde
19:24.43murbleI own an alpha box which works.
19:24.51dankolbI own two Alpha boxen that work
19:24.54NisoRamenMurble: define work in this context :)
19:25.23dankolbAlthough one needs a reinstall of Digital Unix, and the other a larger hard drive, and a fresh VMS install
19:25.28JDET women is much nicer
19:25.34murblepowr up and do somthing useful.
19:25.38NisoRamenET?
19:25.49dankolbExtra Terrestrial
19:25.52murblewell not from this planet clearly.
19:25.59NisoRamenThats what i thought...
19:26.00dankolbKnow your filums.
19:26.21NisoRamenI do, i'm just rying to work out why JD wants an Alien?
19:26.33JDcrappy matrix clone scene
19:26.37dankolbThey're probably better than a lot of worldy women
19:26.56NisoRamenDan: women on earth are from here? Yeah right.
19:27.05JDI don;lt want an alien I was drew barrymore
19:27.12dankolbMen are from Macs, women are from VMS.
19:27.16JDI just couldn;t remember her name
19:27.23NisoRamenAhh the wild child. Good call.
19:27.26dankolbWasn't she about 7 in the film?
19:27.32JDs/was/want/
19:27.40JDnot now she isn;t
19:27.52dankolbYes, but you mentioned ET. she's done other films
19:27.54dankolb:)
19:28.06NisoRamenJust not many that were very good.
19:28.11JDbut that was the first I tought of
19:28.15NisoRamenAlthough she was cute in poison Ivy.
19:28.21JDdonnie darko was good
19:28.25Jensonerm off topicness guys
19:28.27NisoRamenNo it wasn't
19:28.42NisoRamenIt had some novel ideas and a drag that a 747 would envy.
19:28.55JDJenson: dankolb is kepper of on-tpoicness
19:29.07NisoRamenAnd the version of madworld they did was horendus.
19:29.16JDkeeper
19:29.35JDI haven't heard the original, but I thougt it was very good
19:29.38JensonJD: bah
19:29.48dankolbKipper of off-topicness?
19:29.53dankolbsurely a trout?
19:30.01NisoRamenToo slow for my liking. After the second time you hear it its time to get the razors out and start wrist slashing :)
19:30.26NisoRamenDan Kolb. The Trout of Justice.
19:30.39JDI still want to hear the tears for fears version
19:30.44NisoRamenI did wonder about the fish smell...
19:30.53NisoRamenOff topic i admit it.
19:31.15dankolb:)
19:31.34NisoRamenDistro war! Distro war!
19:31.35dankolbNo. We don't rise to that :)
19:31.51NisoRamenSlackware, the REAL french distrobution ;)
19:32.10TarragonCheese eating surrender monkeys
19:32.18NisoRamenAnyhow i thought you were a BSD monkey Dan?
19:32.35JDTarragon: controversial
19:32.38NisoRamenTarragon: Start on the germans. Go on, you know you want to ;)
19:32.51NisoRamenDan dont feed me stright lines like that...
19:32.55Jensondankolb: try a bit of me :P
19:33.00Tarragon*!?^*)($%^£$*&6%$($&($%£(&&%$&(% Germans!
19:33.03NisoRamenI knew that was coming...
19:33.11JensonNisoRamen: what?
19:33.12dankolbI'm currently using MacOS X with an ssh session to RedHat 7.3
19:33.13NisoRamenTarrgon: Thats Perl...
19:33.22NisoRamenOSX == nice.
19:33.29NisoRamenhave you installed Space yet?
19:33.32JensonI'm using Slack 9 with ssh to Slack 8.1
19:33.45NisoRamenI'm on Win2k Adv Server with Debian in vmware where it belongs.
19:33.55NisoRamenAnd its a legit version of Dozer
19:33.56dankolbbash-2.05a$ perl
19:33.56dankolb*!?^*)($%^£$*&6%$($&($%£(&&%$&(% Germans!
19:33.56dankolbsyntax error at - line 1, near "?^"
19:33.56dankolbUnrecognized character \xA3 at - line 1.
19:34.05dankolbSorry, NisoRamen. It's not quite Perl.
19:34.15dankolbSpace? What's that?
19:34.17NisoRamenDan, too many characters :)
19:34.19JDbut it rather well considering
19:34.25NisoRamenMultiple desktops for OSX
19:34.35dankolbOooh. That might not be a bad idea.
19:34.58dankolbIs it a proper multi-desktop? Or a hack like Windows multi-desktops are?
19:35.26NisoRamenHack, their is a real one but its commericial   http://space.sourceforge.net/
19:35.29NisoRamenI like Space.
19:35.39NisoRamenThen again i HATE having just one window.
19:35.45NisoRamenand the windows one is Deskwin.
19:35.57dankolbI'm fairly used to having one Window.
19:36.08dankolbAnd even when I had multiple desktops, I only really tended to use one
19:36.17JensonI use 5
19:36.21JensonCant work wioth one
19:36.36NisoRamenMe neither. Vim's in one, mutt and Firebird in the other.
19:36.46dankolbAt work, when I used Windowmaker, I just rolled up the windows.
19:37.02NisoRamenI dont like cygwin.
19:37.05JensonKPPP XMMS on 5, Chat of 4, Moz on 3 anything else on 2 and 1
19:37.08NisoRamenIts slow and cludgy.
19:37.09dankolbUnder OS X I just hide windows
19:37.42NisoRamenWhy 5? it makes the pager unbalaenced.
19:39.29JensonNisoRamen: coz 5 is what i like lol
19:39.40JensonI hate it when ppl fsck with my settings too
19:39.52NisoRamenYou use something like KDe that doesn't have a seperate oager  guess?
19:39.59NisoRamenPager i guess.
19:40.06NisoRamenGah, must move kb to the right a bit
19:41.31dankolbvgar qiyks nicubf rgw jv ri rgw eufgt axguwcw>
19:41.42NisoRamenLittle bit left ;)
19:41.50Jensoni use KDE
19:41.53dankolbypp ,ivj?
19:42.17NisoRamentoo far?
19:42.22dankolbbetter?
19:42.40NisoRamenI'm on a natural keyboard, its a lot harder to work out what you were saying then i thought it'd be :)
19:43.05NisoRamenNatural keyboards stop injury by slowing you down to a stupid level.
19:43.15JensonNisoRamen: i hate them
19:43.17NisoRamen<PROTECTED>
19:43.17dankolbTrue. I hate the split keyboards.
19:43.32dankolbMy favourite keyboard is the DEC LK401
19:43.35NisoRamenI do perl, i need shift and puncuation in reach dammit :)
19:43.49NisoRamenOld IBM clicky ones.
19:43.57dankolbI grabbed it from my VT510, but it works as a standard PS/2 keyboard
19:44.06dankolbYeah, the clicky ones are quite nice. But noisy.
19:44.30NisoRamenDan: nothing like a small office early in the morning with a loud keyoard :)
19:44.38NisoRamenAnd a subwoffer of course :P
19:45.22dankolbHeh :)
19:45.28dankolbSubwoofer your keyboard?
19:45.34NisoRamentarragon: Is winters coming on Saturday? I need disks.
19:45.45NisoRamenAnything that annoys my co-workers ;)
19:45.58NisoRamenIS that like the concert of dot matrix printers?
19:46.07*** join/#gllug skugg (~stig@braut.plus.com)
19:46.08dankolbNo. It's the piece for band and typewriter
19:46.16dankolbQuite well known.
19:46.20NisoRamenDan sometimes i fear you.
19:46.37NisoRamenYeah, band camp, we've done this sketch ;)
19:46.48dankolbI think it might be used as the title music for the 'News Quiz'
19:46.57dankolbNo no. I go with band on holiday *next* weekend.
19:47.34NisoRamenJenson eating beans and sitting down doesnt count as music :)
19:47.48JensonNisoRamen:tell tht to my father lol
19:47.48NisoRamenSo Dan will you be attendance on Saturday?
19:47.51dankolbThat's not the computer's fault
19:48.02dankolbNisoRamen: I'm not sure. I have band practice from 10-5 on Saturday.
19:48.07Jensondankolb: nah, its the ppl who made the bloody readme for the bot
19:48.07NisoRamenJenson which product/project?
19:48.17JensonNisoRamen: an eggbot
19:48.22dankolbAnd if I wanted to turn up to Gllug, I'd have to rearrange a meeting with a friend
19:48.28NisoRamenDan pop alon to the pub then, skip all this talk rubbish ;)
19:48.41NisoRamenA TCL irc bot?
19:48.43dankolbEggbot? Tells you when your eggs are ready?
19:48.47JensonIf Nikki can make a bot that actually works, I oughta be abble to
19:48.48NisoRamenTCL == Pain. Didn't you know this :)
19:48.57sashYes, but there'll be even more talk rubbish in the pub.
19:48.57dankolbBah. Raw X :)
19:49.02JensonI already have a bot, it just doersnt do anything but sit there
19:49.10NisoRamenJenson we call that agk
19:49.24JensonNisoRamen: lol
19:49.26NisoRamenibot dont log that :)
19:49.27i haven't a clue, NisoRamen
19:49.38NisoRamengood, stick to that story.
19:49.44JensonI have a bot called Morcanna...wanted a new one called Zimali
19:50.05NisoRamenUm.. why would you want a bot? There are whole channels of people on irc that never talk...
19:50.11JensonMy Morcanna one was for my channel, but I'm the only person on it these days
19:50.39NisoRamenDoes freenode support all bots then or do you have to get permission?
19:50.59JensonNisoRamen: I dunno lol
19:51.06NisoRamen1: make bot
19:51.07Jensonseenas my bots never work it doesnt realy matter
19:51.09NisoRamen3: Make money
19:51.21JensonMe and and anything to do with linux dont get on
19:51.23JensonExcept guys
19:51.24*** join/#gllug skugg (~stig@braut.plus.com)
19:51.25dankolbYou only need to get permission to run it on a particular channel from the channel owner/ops
19:51.29NisoRamenWB Skugg.
19:51.33dankolbNisoRamen: Wrong. 3: Profit.
19:51.35NisoRamenStayng for more than ten seconds this time?
19:51.37skugghi NisoRamen :)
19:51.40skuggNisoRamen, indeed.
19:51.46NisoRamenBa, i'm off then :P
19:51.48skuggi had to install locales :P
19:51.56dankolbBah.
19:52.00skuggi got so many error messages
19:52.03NisoRamenAhh cool. I want a SlackwareBaiterBot
19:52.30NisoRamen"But you don't have any real packagemengement"
19:52.31skuggheh.
19:52.44dankolbPackage mangelement is for wimps.
19:52.48NisoRamenLOL
19:52.50dankolbWrite your dependencies on paper!
19:53.06NisoRamenDamn.
19:53.09skugg<-- wimp
19:53.17dankolbLeeds: You have a computer in your fridge?
19:53.20JensonI dont actually like Linux, or Windows, or computers, I guess thats why I'm a geek
19:53.26sashHeh dan.
19:53.34dankolbIn your fridge?
19:53.39sash*Ahem*
19:53.40dankolbHow large is it?
19:53.41NisoRamenforeach (Python Java Slackware) { echo "is naff\n" }
19:53.42Leedsdankolb: no - the one thing I'm not is cold :-(
19:53.43skuggi used slackware for a couple of years, but got tired of compiling software all the time.
19:53.46NisoRamenbite damn you ;)
19:53.58Jensonskugg: lol nothoing compiles anyway
19:54.07NisoRamenI used slackware for six months, then i hit puberty ;)
19:54.16Jensoni have suvvessgfully compiled about 4 programs in Linux
19:54.17skuggdankolb, no way. not for me.
19:54.21JDwhich one?
19:54.24dankolbToo impatient?
19:54.28NisoRamenDan six months work to run ls?
19:54.32LeedsNisoRamen: have you made it out of puberty yet?
19:54.39NisoRamenLeeds: As if.
19:54.40dankolbGives you a chance to get a coffee
19:54.49NisoRamenYeah from the damn vine itself.
19:54.53skuggdankolb, yeah. and i don't see the point. why compile things over and over when other people can do it for me instead? for free?
19:54.58Leedscoffee vine?
19:55.06NisoRamenYou dont have them where you are?
19:55.08NisoRamenlol
19:55.12dankolbYou can get a lot of pre-compiled binaries for both Slackware and Gentoo
19:55.24dankolbCoffee tree!
19:55.29NisoRamenYeah: debian.org.uk is a good starting point ;)
19:55.46murbleis that the same as uk.debian.org?
19:55.46dankolbYup. Good starting point before going to www.slackware.com
19:55.56NisoRamenMurble: no this one stays up :P
19:56.07murbleNisoRamen: what are you talking about:?
19:56.18murbleuk.debian.org isn't open
19:56.30JDclearly not
19:56.39NisoRamenThat explains why i couldnt get anything from it.
19:56.43JDNisoRamen: open hasn;t been ftp.u.d.o for a while
19:56.48skuggmurble, ftp.uk.debian.org used to be the lousiest debian mirror around.
19:57.04NisoRamens/n//
19:57.04murbleskugg: it was great for ages.
19:57.04Leedsopen apparently is open again according to LWN
19:57.11murblenot according to dns.
19:57.24skuggmurble, not the ages i tried to use it.
19:57.41JDftp.uk.debian.org.      6012    IN      CNAME   ukdebian.mirror.anlx.net.
19:57.42NisoRamenSkugg: thats coz murble was already downloding everything :)
19:57.54skuggNisoRamen, ;)
19:57.59murbleNisoRamen: i used to have a local debian mirror
19:58.13skuggi've never encountered a flakier mirror than that one
19:58.16murbleI'll have another one, but i'm doing a backup at the moment.
19:58.34NisoRamenMurble, bring it along on saturday ;)
19:58.36murblelucky phil doesn't normally irc.
19:58.47JDvery very rare
19:58.50murbleNisoRamen: what where on saturday?
19:58.56NisoRamenI'm not scared of him
19:58.59NisoRamenlol
19:59.04NisoRamenGLLUG
19:59.09murblehe is a good beer source.
19:59.12Jensonoh well, time to go watch Bad Girls
19:59.15Jensonseeya guys
19:59.15dankolbBack in 5.
19:59.18NisoRamenCough
19:59.30skuggJD, what was very rare? ftp.uk.debian.org being down? i'd argue that it was more down than up!
19:59.48skugghaven't tried it in a while now though -- completely given up on it.
20:00.17murbleskugg: well at one point it was crashing most days.
20:00.28JDskugg: phil on irc
20:00.35skuggJD, ah. okay :)
20:00.46murbleit was only very broken for a few months
20:01.30skuggand only broken every other time i tried to access it outside those "few months" then i take it.
20:01.56sashThat's Sod's Law.
20:01.59murbleskugg: clearly.
20:01.59NisoRamen"Sony having to recall 18 thousand VAIO laptops because apparently there is some risk of users receiving a small electric shock"
20:02.06NisoRamenROFLMAO
20:02.09Leedshttp://debianplanet.org/node.php?id=980
20:02.14murblewho'd buy a sony laptop anyway?
20:02.15LeedsI knew I'd seen it on LWN...
20:02.19NisoRamenExactly, managers.
20:03.24skuggNisoRamen, apt-move is "great". not tried apt-proxy though.
20:03.51JDapt-zip is great
20:03.54NisoRamenSkugg: I want something that collects and saves anything it gets asked for from any box.
20:04.12NisoRamenI'm going to hae a single dual homed box with net access and a nwetwork of diferent deb boxes that go through it.
20:04.28NisoRamenI want the one box to collect and save so the others dont need net access.
20:05.04skuggNisoRamen, you can do that with apt-move
20:05.06NisoRamenWhat do the debian people here use, stable testing or unstable?
20:05.19murblethe.earth.li has been a very good debian mirror for me.
20:05.20NisoRamenSkugg: Damn, now i have options...
20:05.20JDunstable and testing on in-house servers
20:05.26JDstable on customers machines
20:05.33skuggi caved in and "upgraded" to unstable not long ago ;)
20:05.48NisoRamenI've stuck with stable so far bt i need some newer stuff i dont want to build by hand.
20:06.24JDdid you not got to the nominet meeting?
20:06.29Leedshmm? train to me?
20:06.41murbleJD: the train was too expensive so i didn't go.
20:06.48JDah okay
20:06.50JDdid you vote?
20:06.56murblenope.
20:07.00murblei was going to vote in person
20:07.06murbleonly found out on monday i couldn't go.
20:07.16skuggvote about what?
20:07.24murbleskugg: for the Nominet Council of Managment
20:07.28JDI voted for Alex first and I think the Leeds Uni guy second
20:07.30murbleJD: are you on nom-steer?
20:07.48JDthe other existing guy got 4th cos he didn;t bother giving a statement
20:07.52JDmurble: yeah
20:07.52skuggmurble, uh. never heard of.
20:07.57NisoRamenthis is neat, look at the bit for google users: http://www.wlug.org.nz/apt-move(8)
20:08.04JDskugg: you will do, you will do
20:08.20murbleskugg: basically the boad of nominet the .uk people have some non exec posts.
20:08.25murblethe OFT thing is bad.
20:08.38JDmurble: I know
20:08.50murbleand the streaming didn't seem to work of the meeting
20:08.52JDbut sadly I don't think the OFT will see it that way
20:09.03murblewell they are clearly silly.
20:09.51JDI can't see how you are meant to have competition in the domain business without making a complete farce ofr it
20:10.38JDunless you don't have SLD
20:16.45JDmurble: say something
20:20.02NisoRamenHe can't your paralised him into sleep ;)
20:20.23skugghmp
20:20.34NisoRamenPolitics does that :)
20:20.41skuggi wonder why my Mozilla-Firebird have gone ugly again.
20:20.51skuggor, ugly. at all.
20:21.01NisoRamenFirebird has been aplyign up rotten on windows lately. You useing nightly builds?
20:21.19NisoRamens/aplyign/playing/
20:22.20JDNisoRamen: it is something he is interested in
20:22.34dankolbBoomtish
20:22.34Leedsso *that's* why Amy's a rat...
20:22.38NisoRamenThen i feel its my role to save you both.
20:22.55NisoRamenLeeds: I'll turn you at the bak into fish?
20:23.03skuggNisoRamen, not sure. i have if that's what comes in debian unstable...
20:23.10LeedsNisoRamen: yeah, you freak
20:23.20NisoRamenROFL. PerlMonger and not proud.
20:23.42NisoRamenIn session five she becomes human and nakid for about five seconds.
20:23.52Leedsso is anyone else going to Edinburgh?
20:23.58NisoRamenJoh Hearns.
20:24.00dankolbI need accommodation
20:24.03LeedsNisoRamen: yeah, I remember that one - I think I missed this one the first time
20:24.16Leedsdankolb: on Monday there was one cheap halls room left
20:24.17NisoRamenWhos doing his talk both at GLLUG and in Edinburgh.
20:24.27dankolbHm.
20:24.34Leedsarmijn will be there... and pdr
20:24.37murbledankolb: still?
20:24.37dankolbIs that one that's organised through the UKUUG?
20:24.49dankolbPlus I've been away the last 3 weeks
20:24.55murbledankolb: you're going to have problems this late.
20:24.58Leedsdankolb: there were actually 3 rooms - I took one, my collegue took one...
20:25.18dankolbmurble: At worst, I don't go.
20:25.30Leedsdankolb: no problem getting into the conference (although early bird is gone) but you'll have to find your own bed
20:25.38dankolbI'm down as a helper.
20:25.45murbledankolb: you should lbw as well.
20:25.47LeedsNisoRamen: not coming to my birthday party - as sponsored by Positive Internet
20:25.59dankolbI think that'll get too much, unfortunately.
20:26.03NisoRamenNot unless they sponser me a room... ;)
20:26.18dankolbI need to do job-hunting things.
20:26.32LeedsI always said Edinburgh was too far away...
20:26.41NisoRamenAll events should be in London :)
20:26.44murbleyeah, but then so is Leeds.
20:26.52NisoRamenThe nearer my door the better :P
20:26.54Leedsplus, having it finish on the first day of the fringe may not be the best thing...
20:27.04murbleanyone getting the same train up as me on the wednesday?
20:27.08Leedsfurther north than Manchester/Leeds is pretty far
20:27.18Leedsmurble: I'm getting the 0900 on Friday
20:27.44murbleLeeds: oh does it begin properly on the friday afternoon?
20:27.48Leedsyeah
20:28.00Leedsthursday is tutorial day
20:29.11Leedsagk is the man to ask... but he's away...
20:30.54JDI can provide travel
20:32.04JDneed to go Wednesday evening/lunch time
20:32.14JDskugg: what time can you get to MK by?
20:33.46skuggon wednesday? i'm not sure...
20:34.10skugghow long does it take from harrow & wealdstone?
20:38.06Leedstrain? through Watford?
20:39.12Leedsoops - I've run out of disk...
20:39.41NisoRamenQuick, use deborphan to locate packages that are no longer required as depencies :P
20:40.06Leedsbash: deborphan: command not found
20:40.24NisoRamenYeah, youd need debian for that ;)
20:41.35skuggNisoRamen, have you noticed that if you're using aptitude to install packages, it marks packages that are installed because of dependencies and will automatically unistall these if you remove the package(s) that depended on them in the first place?
20:41.56NisoRamenI dont use aptitude. I didn't really like the feel of it.
20:42.00skugg(that's effectively what deborphan does, i think)
20:42.06skugg'mkay.
20:42.22skuggi like it. i used to use only the commandline thing before, but aptitude is smarter...
20:42.28NisoRamenI dont get on with apititude or dselect.
20:51.28skuggdselect is a steaming pile o' shite.
20:51.54skuggaptitude is fairly neat.. you can use it on the commandline like apt-get too...
20:52.05skuggaptitude install <packagename>...
21:10.15skugg<PROTECTED>
21:10.28skuggthe web-shop where _everything_ went wrong :P
21:10.32skugghttp://arngren.net/
21:10.51skuggit's a wee bit of a mess in firebird :P
21:11.03Leedsoh dear god - kill it!
21:11.09Leedsput it out of its misery!
21:11.18Jenson|Awayomg that looks fsckecd lol
21:11.30Leedsthat *has* to be a joke
21:11.46skuggLeeds, i'm not sure it is :P
21:11.53Leedsbut, but...
21:11.59Leedsmy faith in human-kind depends on it
21:12.05Leedsbeing a joke that is
21:12.10skuggarngren is this dodgy (swedish?) electronics firm...
21:12.15skuggs,firm,retailer,
21:13.03skuggcertainly _looks_ like a hoax though :)
21:13.43Leedscould be an underground hit :-) "worst site on the net"
21:14.56dankolbIt looks bad in Safari.
21:15.30Jenson|AwayProbably looks fine in IE, anyomne got IE?
21:15.31Leedsit even looks bad in lynx!
21:15.32dankolb(KHTML rendering)
21:17.10skuggdeleted it ;)
21:17.24Jenson|Awayoooh you have a copy of IE for linux
21:17.25skuggit didn't work on the one site i wanted it for
21:17.38skuggJenson|Away, crossover office.
21:17.44Jenson|Awaythere was a time when i didnt think I'd manage without IE, its a nice borwser, but now I love Moz
21:18.15skuggIE is not a nice browser. it has exactly one nice feature -- ftp-support that allows uploads.
21:18.27Leedsskugg: doesn't moz do that?
21:18.30dankolbIt makes Emacs look like tight code
21:18.42dankolbWhat's wrong with a proper FTP program?
21:18.54JensonI use gftp fot tgat
21:19.00skuggLeeds, dunno. if i've got access to install mozilla, then i can install an ftp-client :P
21:19.16Leedsncftp
21:19.18skuggbut ie's ftp-uploads have saved me a few times
21:20.02skuggdankolb, i would. but i couldn't install ftp-clients on the uni computers. but they all had IE...
21:20.16dankolbStart -> Run -> FTP
21:20.29Leedsnope - moz displays the file rather than uploading it
21:21.37skuggdankolb, run not available.
21:21.42dankolbAh.
21:21.49dankolbWhat about from IE:
21:21.59dankolbC:\WINDOWS\CMD.EXE ?
21:22.08skuggmaybe.
21:22.37skuggbut the windows cli ftp-client is a pain. i actually prefer IE to it.
21:22.56Jensonskugg: I used WSFTP when I had Win
21:23.07Jensonpretty much like gftp actually
21:23.21skuggJenson, but i couldn't install that on the Uni computers... that's the point.
21:23.38skuggi use ncftp in cygwin on windows when i have a choice.
21:23.38Jensonskugg: bah
21:23.47Jensoni installeda card game at school once
21:23.55Jensonthey picked it up and said it had a virus in it
21:24.07JensonAll I wanted was to say, yeh and its taken you nine months to pick that up
21:24.45skuggJenson, maybe i could have installed an ftp-client, but since IE works i don't see a reason to faff around trying to find a free ftp-client for windows that don't need adm privileges to install (they're remarkably hard to find)
21:26.31Leedscan't be arsed
21:26.39JensonLeeds: go sleep
21:26.44Leedsnah
21:26.55Leedsgot to - minimum - put a wash on before sleeping
21:27.16JensonLeeds: go on then, or invite mummy round to do it for ya
21:27.19Jenson:P
21:27.26LeedsJenson: mummy is 200 miles away
21:27.52Jensonoh you can borrow mine lol
21:28.01Leedsum, no thanks :-)
21:28.32LeedsI'm just feeling very relaxed... got some nice relaxing music on, a long weekend coming up (already started, really), had a good week at work...
21:31.35skugghm.
21:31.42skuggi'm going to take a bath now, then go to bed.
21:31.45skuggnight.
21:31.48Jensonseeya skugg
21:31.53Leedsnight
21:32.23skuggJenson, i think i saw one of those at IKEA>
21:32.34NisoRamenSkugg the inflatable ones?
21:32.37dankolbYes, but it's self-assembly
21:32.43Leedsskugg: you've got to nail him together yourself
21:32.59NisoRamenI'm english dammit i cant take this heat,
21:33.03Leedsyeah
21:33.05dankolbHeh.
21:33.06LeedsI'm northern as well
21:33.25Jensonskugg: yeh i saw them at Camden
21:33.29skuggNisoRamen, same here. it's been too damn hot today.
21:33.36Leedsif it gets much warmer I'll have to think about turning off a computer or two...
21:33.36Jensonplus i had 3 memebers of gllug at Camden with me too ;lol
21:33.37skuggluckily we've got aircondition at work :P
21:33.47Leedsit's lovely when it's warm during the day... but nasty at night
21:33.51NisoRamen3 gllugers? thats what we call a Lonix these days :)
21:33.58dankolbIt was a bit too hot today.
21:34.29Leedsit was perfect today - but it's about 10 degrees too hot in here now...
21:34.50NisoRamenI dont need a towel, five minutes in this and dry.
21:34.55NisoRamenSaves me washint it :)_
21:36.43Leedstoo humid :-(
21:36.54NisoRamenRight just got the GLLUG itinery thourh. MY gllug ends at 14:00, :)
21:37.56Leedswhereas mine would start at 1545, possibly 1430 - if I wasn't going to be in Bournemouth instead
21:38.17Leedssoaking up the sun in a synagogue
21:38.54Jensonfsck, my fscking mobile is being really crap
21:39.08Leedstry fscking it
21:40.01Jensoni hit it and turned it on and off 3 times
21:40.03Jensonits ok now
21:40.06Jensonit does this sometimes
21:40.32davilionevening all
21:40.52Leedshey davilion
21:41.13Jensonhey davilion LTNC
21:41.19davilionyeah im in the US
21:41.44Leedsis the US *that* bad?
21:42.13Leedsor to put it another way - what's wrong?
21:42.27davilionheehh, no i nipped into mexico for a few days, combination of too muchg seafood, tequilla and tap water
21:42.39davilionhaving a good time though
21:42.43davilionbeen stocking up on cheap gadgets
21:42.51Leedsah, cool :-)
21:42.53Leedsjust on hols?
21:43.33zacharydavilion: should have drank more tequilla instead of the tap water.
21:43.48davilionyeah, i definatly think so
21:44.06daviliongot a couple of big bottles in my bag though, so will tyry to balance out my blood soon
21:44.23Leedshttp://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2543576557&category=26261
21:44.57NisoRamenif it cost6s that much i understand how he's a "financial genius"
21:46.27Leedshe is genuinely considered a financial genius...
21:46.36Leedsthat's not just hyperbole
21:46.46NisoRamenFor that much i want to eat out of Cindy Crawfords lap.
21:47.09NisoRamensometimes i shouldnt speak...
21:47.24Leedss/of//
21:47.31LeedsWHO SAID THAT
21:47.42NisoRamenMe, but in my head.
21:47.52davilionheh
21:48.08NisoRamenibot sees all... I learn slowly :)
21:48.09NisoRamen: no idea
21:48.50Leedsibot say hello to NisoRamen
21:48.50Leeds: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
21:49.08LeedsNisoRamen? *definitely* bigger than a breadbox
21:49.42Leedshttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3057393.stm
21:50.04Leedsis of course where I found this
21:50.33NisoRamenYou could have him kidnapped for less than $118,000.
21:50.45Leedsibot did you get that?
21:50.45i haven't a clue, Leeds
21:51.01CockneyScumDidnt say anything :P
21:51.05Jensonlol
21:51.21LeedsI assume ibot's logs are still gzipped, so they're not googlable
21:51.34CockneyScumLOL google Dean kidnap celeb.
21:51.37CockneyScumAll i need.
21:52.09Leedsibot google Dean kidnap celeb
21:52.10Leeds: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface.
21:52.24Leedsdid he forget how to google again?
21:52.27CockneyScumi think its parsing is a bit buggered.
21:53.36CockneyScumfrom the gllug mail: Next meeting - Bletchley Park 17th Aug 2003.
21:53.42Leedsyes
21:53.55JensonWhere isthat palce?
21:53.59CockneyScumTheir letting gllug out of london?!
21:54.02LeedsMK, give or take
21:54.13LeedsCockneyScum: 2nd annual GLLUG summer picnic
21:54.32CockneyScumIO went to the first geeknic and no one had a football. I was very disapointed...
21:54.35dankolbOooh. 17th Aug. I think I might turn up.
21:54.40*** join/#gllug stephanb (~frog@dsl-80-46-197-5.access.uk.tiscali.com)
21:54.42LeedsCockneyScum: so bring one!
21:54.47Leedsstephanb: coming to the picnic?
21:54.49Jensonstephanb: hey sweetie :P
21:54.55stephanbLeeds: when's that ?
21:55.04stephanbJenson: yo !
21:55.26Leedsstephanb: 17/08
21:55.48CockneyScumLeeds remember to take something running a wireless sniffer :)
21:56.05LeedsCockneyScum: it's radio day - the airwaves are going to be so stuffed :-)
21:56.09stephanbLeeds: oh plenty of time. i'm not on holiday at that time :-)
21:56.24Leedsstephanb: are you on the gllug list (chat and/or announce?)
21:57.05stephanbLeeds: nope, maybe i should
21:57.14Leedsyes, you should - announce list at least
21:57.28*** join/#gllug nasrat (~paul@pc-62-30-151-127-hr.blueyonder.co.uk)
21:57.35CockneyScumStephen just ignore all the posts that dont have annouce in the title :)
21:57.38CockneyScumEvening Nasrat.
21:57.50JensonI'm not on either of them now
21:57.56nasratevening
21:58.08Leedshey nasrat
21:58.11JensonSeenas they dont ship Evolution mailer with KDE 3.1m I hardly read anything but my hotmail now
21:58.23CockneyScumJenson you want mutt. mutt good.
21:58.25JDhi
21:58.29CockneyScummutt awkward but good.
21:58.32CockneyScumWB JD
21:58.36Jensonheya JD
21:58.37nasratmutt is indeed a fine mailer
21:58.37Leedsmutt good - pine better
21:58.45JDCockneyScum: no she would be much better off witrh kmail
21:58.47JensonCockneyScum: I couldnt work out how to use mutt or pine
21:58.47nasrattelnet better
21:58.53JensonJD: my kmail is buggy
21:58.54Leedsnc better
21:59.00Jensonalthough I may have installed the patch now
21:59.02CockneyScumnasrat: nc and echo :P
21:59.03JensonI foget
21:59.09CockneyScumpine's for people that dont understand vim
21:59.12JDnasrat: mutt doesn't like big IMAP folders
21:59.23LeedsCockneyScum: take that back!  I use pine and vim together very happily! :-)
21:59.23nasratbah why use someone elses socket code ...
21:59.27CockneyScumEW!
21:59.39CockneyScumPragmatism.
21:59.48CockneyScumI'm not writing socket libs...
21:59.55Leedsnasrat: I've been digging around the sockets layer myself... does that count?
21:59.57nasratJD: hmm what sort of sizes? I use mutt + imap + lkml
21:59.57JDCockneyScum: just be thankful he isn;t using emacs
22:00.11JDnasrat: 5000
22:00.12nasratLeeds: i++
22:00.21CockneyScumEmacs and mutt... i assume that works but... EW!
22:00.26Leeds++j
22:00.36nasrat++i--;
22:00.37JDnasrat: 30,000 in total
22:00.44dankolbemacs has a mail reader
22:00.47Leeds(i+1)
22:00.49CockneyScumJD stop bragging.
22:00.53Leedsemacs has bloody everything
22:00.53CockneyScumDan emacs has a toaster.
22:01.06dankolbOr you can write one.
22:01.08nasratJD: have you heard of procmail/sieve/D
22:01.09Leedsthen again... KDE and mozilla both have kitchen sinks
22:01.14CockneyScummeta-a-v-e-g-t-e-d-as open front door.
22:01.24JDemacs has a pychiatist for when you've had enough of emacs
22:01.33CockneyScumIf you like mozilla mail go for thunderbird.
22:01.34JDnasrat: I use exim filters
22:01.47CockneyScumNotice how emacs has a vi mde but vi doesnt have an emacs mode :)
22:01.49nasratso how do you get to 30k
22:01.51dankolbI have Thunderbird. Just need to copy my mail profiles across.
22:01.51JDnasrat: I read debian-devel
22:01.54CockneyScumIts a one way migration ;)
22:02.00LeedsCockneyScum: I'm waiting for thunderbird to stabilise a bit to try it out
22:02.06JDCockneyScum: elvis
22:02.06dankolb(vi like emacs)
22:02.07nasratJD well masochism is a life choice
22:02.20JDor was I thinking of vile?
22:02.29CockneyScumemacs bindings in vi?!
22:02.37Xiaoqihihi everyone!
22:02.40nasratless flagilation at the back
22:02.41dankolbelvis is just a vi clone, like vim
22:02.48CockneyScumEvening Name i cant pronounce ;)
22:02.52Xiaoqihehe
22:03.00Jensonhey Nik
22:03.06nasratdankolb: elvis runs on elks as does levee
22:03.09CockneyScumJenson thats cheating.
22:03.18CockneyScumYour supposed to vocalise the 'oqi'
22:03.23JensonCockneyScum: Ah but I can say it
22:03.24JDhi Xiaoqi
22:03.29Leedshey Xiaoqi (which I pronounce internally as Jackie)
22:03.36Jensonlol
22:03.41CockneyScumLeeds what ever floats your boat.
22:04.11dankolbIs'nt it the 'qi' part that's pronounced Chi?
22:04.16Xiaoqihehe'
22:04.18LeedsI see Xia as Ja and qi as ckie
22:04.23Xiaoqidankolb: yup
22:04.24JDkinda Chi-o-key
22:04.28Leedsand I ignore the rest
22:04.30Jensonor Cherokee lol
22:04.37Xiaoqiand the first part is she-ow
22:04.56Xiaoqihow?
22:05.04CockneyScumI'll call you Lee ;)
22:05.15nasratCockneyScum: I'll call you Al
22:05.25CockneyScumCan i be your long lost pal then?
22:05.34Jensonnasrat: I'l call ya goth :P
22:05.38LeedsXiaoqi: can I call you Bruce? it'd make things easier
22:05.42CockneyScumJenson: understatement.
22:05.44JDhmmm spandex
22:05.52XiaoqiJenson: paul simon song
22:06.05nasratI am not a goth ...
22:06.09XiaoqiLeeds: i'm nikki if thats easier
22:06.15sparticusNasrat you do a good impression ;)
22:06.17nasratI don't care what google says
22:06.21LeedsXiaoqi: yeah, I know
22:06.42Leedssparticus: where did you wake up from?
22:06.49Leedstoo many people!
22:06.58Xiaoqianyway -off to bed now
22:06.59dankolbumount -f?
22:06.59LeedsJD: isn't that what -f is for?
22:07.02Xiaoqinight all
22:07.03nasratBatMan: are you killing joke or silver age
22:07.08JDLeeds: doesn;t like it
22:07.12BatManNight Xia
22:07.17Leedsnight bruce
22:07.17zacharygood night all.
22:07.21*** part/#gllug zachary (~zachary@host81-132-191-17.in-addr.btopenworld.com)
22:07.23Leedsnice zach
22:07.47BatManI want my nick back dammit
22:08.36NisoDaemonNasrat: the animated series ;)
22:09.20JDyou are not alone
22:09.21NisoDaemonSo leeds is bletchy going to be a coach do or a seperate trains up there?
22:09.33JDtrain
22:09.35nasratNisoDaemon: of the future?
22:09.52NisoDaemonGhost of christmas past :)
22:09.57JDwell I'll be driving cos it is closer than the nearest train station
22:10.05LeedsNisoDaemon: unless there's a real demand for a coach, I'm not planning on doing one...  I was planning to drive
22:10.07NisoDaemonThe one who never got you that train set you wanted :)
22:10.08JensonJD: Cheay, come pick me up :P
22:10.16Leedsa lot of the problem is where would the coach go from?
22:10.28NisoDaemonUni in London :)
22:10.32JDJenson: hmmm 15in there or 2h to you, 2hours back and then 15min
22:10.39JensonLeeds: I have to go into London to get a train out Milton Keynes wat, dloody trains
22:10.40NisoDaemonWe know people can reach it ;)
22:10.43Leedsthere *are* trains on that day, at least according to current plans, unlike last year
22:10.53NisoDaemonJD your just not making the effort are you :)
22:10.55LeedsJenson: you're no-where near London, so you don't count
22:11.02NisoDaemonJenson == boonies.
22:11.20JDLeeds: there are works at some point during August on that line
22:12.13LeedsJD: the first train from Euston is at 0941 or so, according to National Rail Enquiries - nothing running before that - I don't know if that includes Sautday
22:12.37NisoDaemon9:45. thats in the evening i assume.
22:12.52nasratNisoDaemon: in some $TZ
22:13.02NisoDaemonsmart arse :)
22:13.23nasratmy arse is only smart because of good packaging :P
22:13.37LeedsNisoDaemon: nope
22:13.39NisoDaemonahum. MUST NOT RETORT...
22:13.46JDLeeds: there are earlier, but they are like 7:00 some time
22:13.53LeedsI'm not saying we'll start then... but that is the first train running
22:14.12LeedsJD: I can only repeat what I'm told - before that, busses completely fail to replace trains
22:14.14JD23 Aug - 31 Aug
22:14.28Leeds23rd Aug is too late - doesn't matter
22:14.47JDso should be normal service
22:14.50JDwhat ever that is
22:14.52nasratNisoDaemon: go on
22:14.54murbleare are we talking BP summer picnick this year?
22:15.10NisoDaemonBP?
22:15.19dankolbBletcley Park
22:15.20NisoDaemonNasrat not on a recoreded channel :P
22:15.22NisoDaemonAh
22:15.26dankolb*Bletchley
22:16.11Leedsmurble: yes
22:16.55murbledo we have a date for it? sat 23rd looks good
22:17.03Leeds17th
22:18.36gregjdankolb: are you going to be at meeting this saturday ?
22:18.49dankolbUnfortunately not.
22:18.59murbleLeeds: why so early?
22:19.02Jensongregj:he;s chatting up a bloke evidently
22:19.14murbleis there planned engineering work that weekend or somthing?
22:19.15Leedsmurble: why is that early?
22:19.30Leedsthere is on-and-off engineering works for the next 5 years or so...
22:19.36gregjJenson: ;)
22:19.50Leedsit's that date because Bletchley have a special weekend on... and I prefer Sunday...
22:19.51murbleoh well, i won't go then.
22:19.54Jensongregj: Sorry, suilly conversation from earlier
22:20.10murbleI'm probably not in .uk til the 18th
22:21.08NisoDaemonJenson: Jealous? :P
22:21.23NisoDaemonMurble. rearrange your holiday, be fleixble ;)
22:21.46gregjmurble: just comeback one day earlier
22:21.51murbleNisoDaemon: I can't.
22:22.03JDmurble: where are you going/
22:22.05JensonNisoDaemon: Nah, I might be jealous of his g/f though, aint decided yet
22:22.08murblesince quite a few other people are going to .sk at the same time.
22:22.15NisoDaemonI dunno, galivanting around the world...a dndoesnt want to come back and sit on a sweet box train for four hours :)
22:22.31murblehttp://lbw2003.anteus.hu/
22:22.40JDNisoDaemon: you can get virgin trains to Milton Keynes
22:22.55JDyouo can't get virgins in Milton Keynes
22:23.04NisoDaemonMurble: Ahh a ood cause.
22:23.07Leedsmurble: you planned to miss gregj's birthday? not very nice of you
22:23.07NisoDaemongood
22:23.18Jensonevidently it would take my just over 3 hours to egt there by train
22:23.24NisoDaemonLeeds its an LBW, its important
22:23.48Leedsseems to be taking things too far
22:24.10NisoDaemonLeeds wait till you've done one :)
22:24.16JDmurble: and you have a libretto
22:24.18NisoDaemonits a blast.
22:24.37JDJenson: but isn;t it worth it to see my home town/
22:24.47JensonJD: yeh
22:24.50NisoDaemonJD your from the land of concrete cows?
22:24.57Jensonhe is lol
22:25.00dankolbIs MK really worth seeing?
22:25.01LeedsNisoDaemon: not likely to happen - I don't have the holiday time available from work for that
22:25.02NisoDaemonAha now comes the denial.
22:25.03JDyes I can take people to see them if they want
22:25.05Jensonwe had a discussion about that in Camden the other day
22:25.20NisoDaemonIs one of them still painted pink
22:25.21NisoDaemon?
22:25.25JDNisoDaemon: I live 10min drive from Milton Keynes
22:25.31JDNisoDaemon: I doubt it
22:25.40NisoDaemonFor about two months one of the cows was pink.
22:26.02JDI should be on a plane with Thom May
22:26.07dankolbFun
22:26.14dankolbWhois Thom May?
22:26.32NisoDaemonfirst google hit is www.planetarytramp.net/
22:27.17JDthom@debian.org, thom@apache.org, thom@positiveinternet.co.uk
22:27.33NisoDaemonAhhh positive internet. Spit.
22:27.40Leedsooh, positive... they're laying on a birthday party for me, apparently
22:27.42NisoDaemonHe was oing well till then ;)
22:29.27murblebut there debian mirror was very unsound when i tried to use it.
22:33.21Leedswhere?
22:33.26JDOslo
22:33.41JDCDROM or extra battery
22:33.41Leedsyeah
22:33.55JDdoubles the weight of the laptop
22:34.11Leedsyou'll miss it if you don't have it
22:34.21murbleoh dorkcamp in .no?
22:34.29JDdepends on how much space I have
22:34.35JDmurble: fuck off
22:34.41NisoDaemonHow can you travel without a laptop?!
22:34.54murbleJD: what?
22:35.01JDwho said anything about no laptop
22:35.03murbleNisoDaemon: my air.
22:35.14murbledocking station != laptop.
22:35.21NisoDaemonAhh sorry. misread,
22:35.28LeedsJD: I suggest getting a docking station at http://www.creaturelabs.com/
22:35.42JDLeeds: I have a docking station
22:35.48murbleJD: oh i was basiing that on leeds thoughts about LBW, id have thought debcamp would be worse.
22:36.03Leedsmurble: for a change, I agree with you
22:36.13JDdebcamp is a big hacking session and debconf is a conference
22:36.39NisoDaemonThe OpenBSd hackathons seem to work out quite nicely...
22:36.40murblewhere as lbw is a big drinking session.
22:36.49JDexactly
22:36.51NisoDaemonWith occasional walks.
22:36.56murbleNisoDaemon: to the bar.
22:37.00JDfood is paid for by HP, TT and IBM
22:37.02NisoDaemonIts still walking...
22:37.06NisoDaemonTT?
22:37.13JDtrolltech
22:37.16murbleNisoDaemon: well not if it is in a civilaied country they bring you the beer.
22:37.19NisoDaemonAh the QT people.
22:37.21JDmake a little free library called Qt
22:37.24murblewho owns TT?
22:37.25JDyou may have heard of it
22:37.41NisoDaemonI never went to the lbws in civiliased countries, the lake district was my fist and only.
22:37.55NisoDaemonJD, thats the WxWindows wannabe isnt it? ;)
22:38.15JDand wxWindows is a MFC wannabe
22:38.30NisoDaemonNo arguments there.
22:39.01Leedsfree-ish
22:39.03JDdamn that didn;t go to plan
22:39.10JDLeeds: Qt is GPL
22:39.17Leedsfor windows?
22:39.20dankolbQT us dual-licenced
22:39.31Leedshance free-ish
22:39.33JDLeeds: you are free to port it
22:39.58NisoDaemonLeeds is getting bites ;)
22:40.03JDthe dual-license of Qt is not important
22:40.04Leedsheh
22:40.19LeedsLGPL is better for libraries, like, say... GTK+
22:40.38JDtrue
22:40.42Leedsthen again, I have been working with one of the few known commercial-QT projects this week
22:40.51JDbut then TT wouldn;t get any commercial X11 licenses
22:41.00NisoDaemonDoes QT have a visual studio alike?
22:41.05JDAdobe?
22:41.08Leedskdevelop?
22:41.27NisoDaemonLast time i looked at Kdevelope it didnt do drag and drop interfaces.
22:41.33Leedshancom office is the commercial-QT thing
22:41.41NisoDaemonGlade did bt gladce had too much baggage.
22:41.42JDNisoDaemon: have a look at Gideon when it is released
22:41.57NisoDaemonGideon's part of the KDE suite?
22:42.11JDGideon is kdevelop3
22:42.11NisoDaemonAh a kdevelope code name.
22:43.26NisoDaemonLooks interesting... I want mono to get busy so i can use VS.net and port
22:43.57LeedsMiguel is too much of a nutter for me
22:44.09NisoDaemonWow. that takes some doing ;)
22:44.26NisoDaemonHe covered my cab fare once, i like him ;)
22:44.48JDI tried paying for Maddogs cab fare
22:45.00JDbut some fosdem bloke gave me the cash back
22:45.00Leedshe wouldn't let you?
22:45.01NisoDaemonDid he give you an Alpha? ;)
22:45.05Leedshe he
22:45.17JDsadly not
22:45.24NisoDaemonPrecident has been set ;)
22:45.34JDI wasn't particularly in the position to receive an alpha at the time
22:45.42LeedsI did tell y'all that my boss used to work with Maddog at DEC... his machine name at Sun is ultrix :-)
22:45.53NisoDaemonYes :)
22:46.06stephanbbye everybody, i'm off.
22:46.11dankolb'night
22:46.11JDnow if only I knew more about old skool unix I would probably frind that funny
22:46.15NisoDaemonI used to work with.... umn.... no one of any importance...
22:46.19NisoDaemonNight Stephan
22:46.27JDnight stephan
22:46.28dankolbUltrix is one of the names of Digital's Unix.
22:46.36LeedsI currently work next to (one of) the author(s) of The Magic Garden Explained...
22:46.37JDah right
22:46.40JDI've used that
22:46.46murbleLeeds: wasn't maddog in marketing?
22:46.53NisoDaemonLeeds: can you get a copy off him.
22:46.59*** part/#gllug stephanb (~frog@dsl-80-46-197-5.access.uk.tiscali.com)
22:47.14Leedsmurble: nope - he was an engineer, then became engineering management - Head of Unix AFAIK
22:47.16NisoDaemonYou cant buy it anymore
22:47.25LeedsNisoDaemon: nope - he's only got one copy, and we share it around :-)
22:47.34NisoDaemonPirates!
22:47.37Leedshave you seen what second-hand copies go for???
22:47.43JDmurble: `were you not paying attention in .be?
22:47.48NisoDaemonI'm too scared to even look.
22:48.01JDwhat is this book/
22:48.11murbleJD: what, why, when?
22:48.11JDbloody moth in my room
22:48.19JDfosdem
22:48.21murbleoh
22:48.30JDI know you were there
22:48.37JDI saw you
22:48.38murblehe came to gllug once.
22:48.47Leedshmm... none available on Amazon right now - but there was one went for $1500!!!!
22:48.52NisoDaemonAnd a Lonix.
22:49.19JDapparently RMS went to Leeds Uni SCS and he left a bunch of flowers in the toilets
22:49.31Leedscame to the pub for GLLUG at GND... and for the end of a Lonix curry
22:49.34murblewhy?
22:49.50JDno idea
22:50.01JDdoes anyone know why RMS does any of the things he does
22:50.05NisoDaemonMurble: he doesnt like competition for the strongest smell in the room.
22:50.12Leedsspreading the love^Wcode
22:50.19NisoDaemonJD: he was bounced on his head as a child?
22:50.37JDNisoDaemon: you are thinking of ESR
22:50.56NisoDaemonNo he was beaten. Similar resultes but their was malice in ESR's case.
22:51.15LeedsESR is far more of a nutter than Miguel
22:51.18NisoDaemonESR == tosspot.
22:51.21JDactually ESR is slightly autistic iirc
22:51.44NisoDaemonI'm an equal oppotunity attacker.
22:51.44LeedsESR's filing?
22:51.51NisoDaemonstill a tosspot :)
22:51.54JDytes
22:51.57Leedshow so?
22:52.00NisoDaemonUm... why?
22:52.21JDwho? what?
22:52.37Leedsdo you do ESR's filing? and if so, why?
22:52.41NisoDaemonWhy do you file for GUN Nut number one?
22:52.48JDLeeds: which is more likely?
22:52.51Leedsas opposed to GNU nut...
22:52.54NisoDaemonhumm GUN / GNU...
22:52.59LeedsNisoDaemon: stop that!
22:53.08JDwho mention Charlton Heston
22:53.20NisoDaemonhes almost dead. we dont mind him.
22:53.45Leedsyou've seen the comments about the recent jargon file editing?
22:53.57NisoDaemonYep.
22:53.58JDcan't we just fork it/
22:54.08NisoDaemonWe could do a gllug fork!
22:54.13NisoDaemonLoads publicity.
22:54.15JDpeople will stop recognising him as the maintainer
22:54.17dankolbWhat about a Gllug spoon?
22:54.22dankolbAnd knife?
22:54.24Leedshmm... aparently we're about to see pre-2.6 kernels...
22:54.32dankolbHave a range of Gllug cutlery.
22:54.33NisoDaemonDan: combine th ideas.... spork!
22:54.34Leedscomplete GLLUG cutlery
22:54.50dankolbLeeds: GMTA?
22:54.51JDsporf
22:54.56murblereddwarf! bbc2
22:55.07LeedsNisoDaemon: my point about TMGE: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0130981389/ref=sr_aps_books_1_1/202-6167637-2770251
22:55.15NisoDaemonMurble is it one of the new ones or one of the funny ones? :)
22:55.20dankolbHmm. I might wander down to watch it, then.
22:55.26dankolbAfter I've written an email.
22:55.32dankolbBut, in the meantime, g'night all.
22:55.40NisoDaemonNight Dan
22:55.43Jensonnioght dankolb
22:55.45JDniht
22:55.48Leedsg'night dan
22:55.56NisoDaemon2 used for £1,050.00
22:55.59NisoDaemonWOW
22:56.20JensonJD: flirting
22:56.40NisoDaemonLeeds: hAve you actually read though it?
22:56.51NisoDaemonOr is the office copy under lock and key?
22:56.57Leedsand that's what Berny's complaining about :-)
22:57.06LeedsNisoDaemon: his is signed and all :-)
22:57.15Leedswe actually have a couple of copies around the office...
22:57.23Leedshe uses it a suprising amount...
22:57.33NisoDaemonSell them and Sun can get back into the black :)
22:57.35NisoDaemonhehe
22:57.38JDdoes he have the manuscript/
22:57.54Leedsdunno - I should ask him
22:58.26LeedsI'm trying to persuade him to come to GLLUG... but he commutes to work weekly from a long way away and he's not around Fri/Sat/Sun
22:58.52NisoDaemonGet him to a Lonix and get Tushar to rent one of the Unis for the evning?
22:59.08Leedsall the copies are owned by individuals, not Sun...
22:59.11NisoDaemonOr have a word in Alaistars shelllike.
22:59.13LeedsNisoDaemon: good thought
22:59.36Leedshe's in a B&B during the week, and he's getting very bored in the evenings... Lonix sounds good
22:59.49NisoDaemonGet him to bring a copy of the book ;)
22:59.58NisoDaemon"Nah leave it their, thats safe..."
23:00.06LeedsI think he'd prefer - at least at first - to just go along, rather than speak
23:00.12Leedshis copy is well knackered...
23:00.30NisoDaemon"Original copy with the sweet of the authors brow"
23:00.36NisoDaemonPrice just went up.
23:01.39Leedsheh
23:01.56Leedsbugger that - it's annotated in pencil :-)
23:01.59NisoDaemonRight, time to finish up for the evning.
23:02.03Leedshe's actually a really good bloke...
23:03.06Leedswell, looks like everyone else has faded out too
23:04.08JensonI'm here
23:04.10Jensonme me me
23:04.43LeedsTarragon never faded out of the shadows
23:04.50Tarragon:-)
23:05.24Jensonlol heya Tarragon
23:06.05TarragonTime for food I think...
23:06.40LeedsTarragon on his own personal timezone as usual
23:08.09highburydankolb: I think Ultrix and Digital Unix were quite different, rather like SunOS and Solaris
23:08.37highburyie. BSD-like and System-V like
23:09.19Jensonhey highbury
23:10.23A4266'lo
23:10.37Jensonloody hell
23:10.38Jensonheya Al
23:10.49A4266Heya  beks
23:14.07JDTarragon: is like gold dust
23:14.45JDand I don't mean small and nearly worthless
23:16.23highburynite folks
23:16.29JDnight
23:16.36Jensonnight highbury
23:45.48JDnight
23:46.26Leedsis it?
23:46.30Leedsdoh!
23:46.34Leedsg'night, have a good weekend
23:46.37Jensonlol heya Leeds
23:47.01Leedsfoo
23:47.39Leedsthat dinner is up to $195,000!
23:48.49Jensonoh well
23:48.51Jensonsleep time
23:48.53JensonNight everyone
23:51.32murbledinner?
23:51.36Leeds?
23:51.39murbledoes it include pudding?
23:51.46murbleor is that extra?
23:51.55murbleand does that include service charges?
23:52.02Leedswhat, when where?
23:52.15murble"Leeds that dinner is up to $195,000!"
23:52.21Leedsah
23:52.27Leedsfull meal and service, It hink
23:52.51murblewhich party is it in aid of?
23:53.14Leedsglide.org
23:53.23Leedssupporting users of old 3dfx cards

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