| 00:01.01 | Leeds | long long before that |
| 00:02.19 | Leeds | the 'portal' |
| 00:03.52 | JD | oh the failed crap |
| 00:04.07 | JD | the only decent bit of altavista is babelfish |
| 00:04.21 | JD | I don't think I have used the search engine in 4 years |
| 00:04.45 | Leeds | exactly - that's what happened when they got big |
| 00:04.51 | Leeds | google seem to have escaped that |
| 00:04.51 | JD | and it even still being altavista.digital.com |
| 00:06.18 | Leeds | http://www.searchenginewatch.com/sereport/article.php/2166681 |
| 00:06.57 | JD | certianly one of my most frequently visited machine |
| 00:07.18 | Leeds | google still finds 3,160 references to altavista.telia.com :-) |
| 00:07.23 | Leeds | oh, yeah... lived at sunsite |
| 00:07.29 | Leeds | now live at mirror.ac.uk |
| 00:07.59 | Leeds | and ironically, I now do some work with the guy who created sunsite - the project |
| 00:08.40 | JD | lol |
| 00:08.49 | Xiaoqi | goodnight all... I'm off to bed |
| 00:09.35 | Leeds | night Xiaoqi |
| 00:11.25 | JD | oh lycos |
| 00:12.58 | JD | night all |
| 00:13.57 | Leeds | that's my page from around 1997 |
| 00:17.39 | JD | oh right |
| 00:17.54 | JD | so you hate lycos, but you use their webspace :) |
| 00:19.12 | Leeds | it was tripod when I made the site |
| 00:19.33 | Leeds | all credit to them - I can't find any sign of the Geocities site I made around the same time, but that page is still there... |
| 00:19.50 | Leeds | which is annoying, because the geocities site actually had some original content on it which I'd like back |
| 00:24.13 | Leeds | anyway... bed |
| 00:24.15 | Leeds | g'night |
| 00:29.56 | JD | w00t 650 words :) |
| 00:30.01 | JD | only 350 to got |
| 00:30.11 | JD | oh and the 500 for the other part :( |
| 00:30.17 | JD | night all |
| 07:57.55 | dankolb | Morning |
| 07:58.00 | pdr | morning |
| 07:58.43 | pdr_work | l8r |
| 07:58.48 | dankolb | cu |
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| 08:18.17 | zachary | moin |
| 08:21.17 | JD | morning |
| 08:33.14 | dankolb | Hi |
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| 08:36.44 | nasrat | morning all |
| 08:37.31 | Tarragon | Morning nasrat |
| 08:45.54 | JD | murb: check your gpg key :) |
| 08:46.27 | JD | hi Tarragon |
| 08:48.33 | Tarragon | Hi JD. Finally got home but it did not help with the West Coast train line closing on Sunday until September. |
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| 08:51.11 | JD | Tarragon: yeah. fortunately doesn't affect me |
| 08:51.21 | JD | it is only around stoke isnt it? |
| 08:53.25 | Tarragon | Yes train stops at Stoke. Yesterday they forgot that Intercity trains have more than local service passengers and that they had forgotten to arrange buses. Sunday service meant one bus an hour. A lot of very angry travellers. |
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| 09:55.28 | SPQR | yo |
| 09:57.47 | dankolb | yo |
| 09:58.20 | SPQR | how are things today? |
| 10:15.47 | dankolb | okay, a bit dull |
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| 10:53.50 | SPQR | 'lo |
| 10:54.51 | dankolb | 2wb |
| 10:54.59 | SPQR | ta |
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| 11:35.45 | Xiaoqi | peekaboo |
| 11:38.19 | Tarragon | Eek! |
| 11:39.30 | Tarragon | Damn! Must find better place. |
| 11:40.20 | Xiaoqi | ;-) |
| 11:40.43 | dankolb | ibot insult Dell laptops |
| 11:40.44 | | dankolb: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 11:40.48 | dankolb | *sigh* |
| 11:40.52 | dankolb | ibot lart Dell laptops |
| 11:41.02 | Xiaoqi | hehe |
| 11:41.05 | Xiaoqi | hey dan |
| 11:41.10 | dankolb | hey |
| 11:41.25 | Xiaoqi | what did the laptop do to you? |
| 11:41.33 | dankolb | It's not installing the display drivers |
| 11:42.11 | Xiaoqi | erm... thats a bit stupid of it... |
| 11:47.02 | dankolb | Damn Dell |
| 11:47.16 | dankolb | They have about 3 or 4 different types of Graphics card in 'Precision M50's |
| 11:57.51 | Xiaoqi | hehe |
| 11:57.56 | JD | hi all |
| 11:58.11 | Xiaoqi | hi JD |
| 11:58.13 | JD | more essay to write :( |
| 11:58.27 | Xiaoqi | poor thing... |
| 11:58.34 | JD | I have 650/1000 and 0/500 |
| 11:58.37 | Xiaoqi | essays aren;t much fun |
| 11:58.39 | JD | words |
| 11:58.45 | JD | Xiaoqi: nope |
| 11:59.02 | Xiaoqi | at least you've done some already though... |
| 11:59.42 | JD | yep I have 350 words to write about externalities and how changing transport trends cause externalities |
| 12:00.32 | JD | externalities are the difference in price between what it costs to produce and the social cost of the product |
| 12:01.00 | JD | think of smoking. you don't pay for the cost of health care when you buy a cigerette |
| 12:01.15 | JD | the price of fags don't cover the entire cost |
| 12:01.22 | JD | that is an externality |
| 12:01.22 | Xiaoqi | ah |
| 12:01.29 | Xiaoqi | ok |
| 12:01.36 | JD | or so I've been led to believe |
| 12:01.52 | Xiaoqi | hehe |
| 12:01.58 | JD | of course my tutors could be lying to me |
| 12:02.13 | Xiaoqi | but that would not do them much good |
| 12:02.28 | Tarragon | So more local bus services means they can close down local shops? |
| 12:02.31 | Xiaoqi | they would get into trouble if all of their students failed |
| 12:02.40 | JD | Tarragon: I don't think so |
| 12:02.59 | JD | Tarragon: but then I haven't really thought about that part much |
| 12:03.26 | JD | I was thinking about the cost of petrol and pollution |
| 12:03.36 | JD | but I have to have a good think about that part |
| 12:03.42 | Tarragon | Oxfordshire county council have - Swines! |
| 12:04.14 | Xiaoqi | JD: when's it due again? |
| 12:04.24 | JD | tomorrow |
| 12:04.56 | Tarragon | Then hey get to reduce the number of buses. - Working the assests. Then finally put up prices - Cream off profit. Not that i am bitter. |
| 12:06.20 | Xiaoqi | Tarragon: don't worry - they'll collapse in a pile oftheir own beurocracy and bad planning sooner or later |
| 12:06.44 | Tarragon | I blame the councillors. |
| 12:07.05 | Xiaoqi | hehe |
| 12:08.38 | Tarragon | What about other externalities. Having people drive means mony to support oil indusry which means fuel cheaper for military so reduces taxes? |
| 12:10.00 | Xiaoqi | whoosh - this is going over my head a little. |
| 12:10.21 | JD | Tarragon: I don't think that is quite an externality |
| 12:10.48 | Xiaoqi | I'm doing an archaeology degree for a reason... i can't cope with long complicated stuff |
| 12:11.05 | JD | it is stuff like using chemicals on crops and the price of the good including the cost of killing other wildlife |
| 12:11.09 | Tarragon | What civilisation? |
| 12:11.14 | JD | Xiaoqi: just old dead stuff |
| 12:11.59 | JD | Tarragon: cost of a product not including the cost of cleaning up the pollution caused in its production etc |
| 12:12.17 | Xiaoqi | old dead stuff is very interesting - plus, all you need to do it dig and ask other's opinions on what you found |
| 12:12.24 | JD | I'll continue this later |
| 12:12.37 | Xiaoqi | ok... bye for now! |
| 12:13.01 | Tarragon | Where are you doing a dig? |
| 12:13.17 | dankolb | Argh. |
| 12:13.27 | dankolb | "Unknown PCI device" How bloody helpful. |
| 12:13.38 | dankolb | Anyone got drivers for an Unknown PCI device? |
| 12:13.43 | JD | dankolb: what OS? |
| 12:13.47 | dankolb | Win2k |
| 12:13.56 | JD | dankolb: boot knoppix and run lspci on it |
| 12:14.03 | JD | find out what device it is |
| 12:14.10 | dankolb | Yeah, I was going to do that. |
| 12:14.18 | Xiaoqi | Tarragon: it's a scottish archaeology course, so I'm digging up parts of Scotland over the summer |
| 12:14.19 | dankolb | Well, BBC rather than Knoppix, but same difference |
| 12:14.28 | dankolb | PCI bus 0, device 31, function 6 |
| 12:15.07 | Tarragon | Xiaoqi: Bet it is all votives |
| 12:15.23 | Xiaoqi | votives? |
| 12:15.40 | Xiaoqi | ibot: votives |
| 12:15.41 | | bugger all, i dunno, Xiaoqi |
| 12:15.49 | Xiaoqi | oh well |
| 12:16.13 | Tarragon | Anything they do not know what it is is classed as a votive - Oh must be an offering to the Gods = votive. |
| 12:16.37 | Xiaoqi | no... not at all |
| 12:16.46 | dankolb | Aha :) |
| 12:16.49 | Xiaoqi | there's a lot of very interesting stuff |
| 12:16.58 | dankolb | It's the modem. |
| 12:17.00 | Tarragon | Just about everything they ever dig up in Greece and Italy initially is classified as a votive. |
| 12:17.08 | Xiaoqi | and the people in the neolithic were a lot smarter than we give them credit for |
| 12:17.13 | dankolb | An Intel 82801CA/CAM AC'97 one that doesn't work with our phone system |
| 12:17.52 | Xiaoqi | Tarragon: that's the fault of the bad archaeologist though |
| 12:18.42 | Xiaoqi | dankolb: hehe... they had trade links over the whole of europe and further for the trade of things to make bronze with |
| 12:19.13 | Tarragon | Yeah you are right BAD archaeologists! |
| 12:19.46 | Xiaoqi | hehe... |
| 12:20.36 | Xiaoqi | Tarragon: it can be hard to find out what things are straight away, especially if they are muddy and broken |
| 12:24.23 | Tarragon | Still all old dead stuff though. |
| 12:24.39 | dankolb | Like Forth machines |
| 12:25.53 | Tarragon | Yeah but I still have living knowledge of them. |
| 12:26.20 | JD | hi |
| 12:27.35 | JD | murb: you happy now? |
| 12:28.25 | JD | dankolb: are you saying that we are all smart and no one else is? |
| 12:28.43 | Xiaoqi | hehe |
| 12:29.03 | Xiaoqi | JD: no - i just think he was trying not to insult us... hehe |
| 12:29.46 | dankolb | JD: Not no-one else is. But the first one. |
| 12:31.20 | JD | dankolb: does that include all of the regulars here? |
| 12:31.38 | JD | er MS advert on /. |
| 12:32.44 | JD | http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/05/18/1216234&mode=thread&tid=206&tid=127&tid=186 |
| 12:32.51 | JD | dankolb: probably true |
| 12:33.04 | Clyphox | blaa.. |
| 12:33.12 | JD | same to you |
| 12:33.23 | JD | at least you have stopped mooing |
| 12:33.26 | dankolb | heh |
| 12:33.28 | dankolb | baa |
| 12:34.12 | Xiaoqi | 'old macdonald had a farm... eey iiy eey iiy oh' |
| 12:34.27 | JD | dankolb: no idea |
| 12:34.32 | JD | I'm listening to a CD |
| 12:34.58 | JD | add a remember in there somewhere too |
| 12:35.06 | dankolb | Dead Ringers, innit |
| 12:35.50 | JD | ya what? |
| 12:36.09 | JD | wasn't that the show you saw being recorded? |
| 12:36.48 | JD | murb: ping |
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| 12:37.06 | dankolb | No. We saw Rigor Mortis |
| 12:37.20 | JD | ah okay |
| 12:39.01 | nasrat | JD: discussing ancient greek city organisation? |
| 12:39.06 | Xiaoqi | JD: ever thought of going on countdown? |
| 12:39.40 | JD | nasrat: er no |
| 12:39.56 | JD | Xiaoqi: yes, and no |
| 12:40.33 | Xiaoqi | hehe |
| 12:48.14 | JD | anyone want a copy of SuSE 7.3 pro? |
| 12:48.58 | JD | and varuis FreeBSD CDs |
| 12:49.30 | dankolb | Have it |
| 12:50.41 | JD | so do I |
| 12:50.45 | JD | I don't want it |
| 12:51.02 | JD | hence going to a good (or bad) home |
| 12:51.12 | Xiaoqi | hehe |
| 12:51.12 | JD | for the right price :) |
| 12:52.04 | JD | not sure where it is atm |
| 12:52.12 | JD | but I have freebsd 3.1 |
| 12:56.06 | JD | F9 highlights incorrectly spelt words, F10 turns off incorrectly spelt words and F11 runs ispell :) |
| 13:00.39 | JD | hmm head ache |
| 13:00.40 | JD | brb |
| 13:10.29 | JD | anyone still around? |
| 13:10.37 | Tarragon | Sort of... |
| 13:11.36 | Xiaoqi | me! |
| 13:13.03 | JD | well you are all being quiet |
| 13:13.21 | Xiaoqi | thats because I'm bad at starting conversations |
| 13:13.24 | JD | how am I meant to chat to pople that don't talk back :( |
| 13:13.32 | JD | Xiaoqi: try |
| 13:13.35 | Xiaoqi | I'll talk back! |
| 13:13.40 | JD | ask me a question |
| 13:13.42 | Clyphox | wtf is suse? |
| 13:13.45 | JD | on any subject |
| 13:13.54 | Clyphox | sounds like dutch pron |
| 13:13.54 | JD | it is a linux distro from german |
| 13:13.56 | JD | y |
| 13:14.24 | JD | Clyphox: it isn't debian so you can ignore it |
| 13:14.27 | JD | :) |
| 13:14.57 | Xiaoqi | JD: how come you've got a headache? and why hide from dankolb ? |
| 13:15.09 | Tarragon | German owned disto - 5 CD's and 2DVD's. KDE supporting. RPM's lots of included software. |
| 13:15.50 | Clyphox | I was only kidding.. tried it many moons ago in a desperate bid to get and ISDN pci card to work |
| 13:16.23 | JD | Xiaoqi: I don't know and I support debian and dankolb is a slackware user |
| 13:16.54 | murb | Tarragon: do you get sauerkraut with it? or just silly lizzards? |
| 13:17.09 | JD | silly lizards only |
| 13:17.14 | Xiaoqi | ah |
| 13:17.22 | Tarragon | dankolb: only claims to support Slack, he is really BSD but prefers it in here because of the company. |
| 13:17.47 | JD | we aren't anti-bsd |
| 13:17.51 | JD | are we? |
| 13:18.03 | Tarragon | murb: I have five toy lizards on top of a SuSE machine just to remind me which distro it is. |
| 13:18.06 | Xiaoqi | not that i know of... |
| 13:18.50 | Tarragon | Not anti BSD. But more pro Linux. |
| 13:19.25 | Tarragon | Well until MS buy Caldera. /. says MS is license of them already |
| 13:20.26 | dankolb | s/Caldera/SCO |
| 13:20.38 | dankolb | BSD has no AT&T Unix code in it |
| 13:20.43 | dankolb | Well, none of the free BSDs |
| 13:20.52 | Tarragon | Different license. They went through all the arguements when Open split from Net |
| 13:21.36 | JD | but Legally Blonde 2 made me want to dig my eyes out with a grapefruit spoon, and that was just a 120 second trailer. |
| 13:22.03 | JD | http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2003/5/15/22352/6060 |
| 13:22.10 | Xiaoqi | thery're doing a second one? |
| 13:23.08 | Tarragon | Legally Blonde 2 - Back to the roots. |
| 13:25.56 | Xiaoqi | mmm crisps |
| 13:26.25 | JD | Actually, a giant marshmallow man would have really made this movie. |
| 13:26.36 | Xiaoqi | hehehe |
| 13:28.39 | JD | Xiaoqi: you'll love aliens 5 then |
| 13:29.37 | Xiaoqi | i haven't seen most of the aliens films |
| 13:29.55 | dankolb | BAH WINE! |
| 13:29.58 | JD | do your self a favour and just watch the first two |
| 13:30.08 | Xiaoqi | hehe |
| 13:30.27 | dankolb | Yay1 :) |
| 13:30.54 | JD | either I have lost the plot of everyone else has |
| 13:31.02 | JD | s/of/or/ |
| 13:31.29 | Tarragon | No - scripwriters of Aliens did |
| 13:32.03 | JD | Tarragon: Aliens was good |
| 13:32.09 | JD | Alien was good |
| 13:32.35 | JD | alien^3 and alien inserrection was bad |
| 13:32.48 | Tarragon | Which was the one where she dived into the pool of molten metal as it hatched out of her? |
| 13:33.01 | JD | 3 |
| 13:33.03 | Xiaoqi | wonderful |
| 13:33.59 | JD | 8:15 row M seats 4-5 |
| 13:34.08 | Xiaoqi | hehe |
| 13:34.16 | JD | although I'll probably be disappointed |
| 13:34.22 | JD | ho hum |
| 13:34.56 | JD | seems we lose out again |
| 13:35.11 | JD | could they have not released it a week earlier for us? |
| 13:35.30 | Xiaoqi | of course - we're a backward nation, hehe |
| 13:35.31 | JD | thats it new music |
| 13:35.51 | JD | Xiaoqi: I thought we decided last night that was US |
| 13:36.21 | Xiaoqi | i know - i was being sarcastic |
| 13:36.34 | Tarragon | Wonder when nmap will release the Matrix themed version? |
| 13:36.44 | JD | lol |
| 13:36.50 | JD | Flaming Lips it is then |
| 13:37.34 | JD | assuming I can get into the bloody CD player |
| 13:37.58 | Xiaoqi | hehe - it would have to be a large one for you to fit into... |
| 13:38.16 | JD | ibot: lart Xiaoqi |
| 13:38.31 | Tarragon | murb: I want to reinstall the libretto. How did you go about installing for the first time? |
| 13:38.35 | Xiaoqi | ibot: lart jd |
| 13:38.36 | JD | ice cream :) |
| 13:39.29 | Xiaoqi | it's the chelsea flower show! |
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| 13:42.07 | Xiaoqi | i've never been, and i always wanted to |
| 13:42.52 | JD | Mmmm flake 99 :) |
| 13:43.04 | Xiaoqi | yup - my favourite |
| 13:43.31 | JD | the advantages of working at home (or near by) |
| 13:47.47 | Xiaoqi | bye for now |
| 13:47.50 | JD | what ? |
| 13:47.57 | Xiaoqi | shrek |
| 13:48.28 | Xiaoqi | see you later! |
| 13:48.35 | JD | bye |
| 13:48.42 | JD | hope you feel better soon |
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| 13:49.01 | Tarragon | Afternoon sash |
| 13:50.03 | sash | Hello all |
| 13:50.25 | JD | hello dougal said florance |
| 14:07.25 | JD | I'm probably going to get disconnected soon |
| 14:07.41 | JD | well 18 minutes :) |
| 14:07.52 | JD | but I'm going to get on with some essay |
| 14:07.58 | JD | so I'll speak to you later |
| 14:08.00 | dankolb | Good idea |
| 14:08.05 | dankolb | c'ya |
| 14:08.06 | dankolb | Good luck |
| 14:18.01 | cup | |
| 14:18.06 | dankolb | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:18.13 | cup | |
| 14:18.17 | dankolb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:18.55 | dankolb | wb |
| 14:20.56 | murb | oh does anyone want london.beer this evening? |
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| 14:43.08 | new2unix | woohoo. anybody home...? |
| 14:44.39 | dankolb | No |
| 14:44.43 | dankolb | But the lights are on |
| 14:47.17 | new2unix | Oh my. perhaps there's a bugler in the house. Look... the Windows are broken. and the pet Penguin has been let loose. Hmmm... something strange is going on here. (to be continued) |
| 14:50.43 | dankolb | :) |
| 15:09.51 | zachary | bbl |
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| 15:57.47 | Xiaoqi | peekaboo! |
| 15:58.35 | skugg | if you say so :) |
| 16:03.03 | Xiaoqi | hehe |
| 16:03.21 | new2unix | Urgh... |
| 16:03.34 | skugg | dan, you must know: giving talks for gllug -- it's paid in fame and glory only, right? there's no money option? :) |
| 16:03.45 | dankolb | I did get a beer from Zach |
| 16:03.53 | skugg | oh. generous :) |
| 16:03.58 | dankolb | Yep :) |
| 16:04.07 | dankolb | It wasn't quite as bad as I thought it would be |
| 16:04.22 | skugg | you seemed a bit nervous to start out with :) |
| 16:04.34 | dankolb | I was |
| 16:04.37 | Xiaoqi | skugg: wouldn't you be? |
| 16:04.42 | skugg | Xiaoqi, yep. |
| 16:04.44 | dankolb | I felt calmer towards the end |
| 16:04.48 | dankolb | It's okay, SPQR |
| 16:04.52 | skugg | dankolb, so you seemed too. |
| 16:04.55 | dankolb | Good :) |
| 16:05.28 | Xiaoqi | i guess it's a practice thing |
| 16:05.37 | dankolb | Yeah |
| 16:05.58 | skugg | dean and I, bastards as we are, contemplated asking you why you were giving a *BSD talk in a Linux meeting, but found out it would probably be a bit too evil, even for us ;) |
| 16:06.52 | skugg | Xiaoqi, they say so. |
| 16:08.14 | skugg | i've heard somewhere, though, that fear of talking in front of an audience is one of the most common phobias... |
| 16:08.49 | dankolb | *shudder* |
| 16:09.12 | skugg | heh. that would probably have been more scary than the alternative, yes. at least given the audience :) |
| 16:09.25 | dankolb | skugg: a) I was asked to, and b) There's nothing wrong with knowledge about other free software |
| 16:10.56 | skugg | dankolb, as I said, we were only contemplating it because we're evil, not because we didn't want to hear/learn about it 8) |
| 16:11.29 | dankolb | Heh :) Well, that would have been my answer |
| 16:12.01 | new2unix | Dankolbs slides had enough animation to make even the back seats (the actual seats) pay attention. I wonder how many man hours went into that dan? |
| 16:12.21 | skugg | the slides were the best I've seen at any presentation, yes. |
| 16:12.35 | dankolb | Thank you :) |
| 16:13.19 | dankolb | The actual animations and transitions probably took about 3-4 hours to think abou |
| 16:13.22 | dankolb | *about |
| 16:13.46 | dankolb | Most of the time was actually spent on content |
| 16:14.03 | skugg | i just asked Andrew Suffield, the debian Arch maintainer, if he would like to give a talk on Arch. The answer was, unfortunately, "No.". |
| 16:14.32 | dankolb | Ah well |
| 16:15.30 | skugg | if I didn't have aversions against talking in front of big crowds, in a foreign language, I would gladly do it. |
| 16:15.50 | skugg | s:, in:, especially in: |
| 16:16.58 | dankolb | You could talk in Norwegian |
| 16:18.10 | skugg | yeah. and lene jensen and maybe magnus (eye69) would benefit :P |
| 16:18.27 | skugg | not a good idea. |
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| 16:19.05 | skugg | oh, i don't know. maybe if I go to the pub _before_ the talks, it won't be so bad :P |
| 16:19.55 | formi | ulo |
| 16:22.02 | Xiaoqi | why? |
| 16:22.27 | new2unix | what happened Formi? |
| 16:22.32 | formi | some infamous hack appearing on some famous film |
| 16:22.33 | murb | skugg: so you could do your talk in the pub :) |
| 16:22.52 | new2unix | the matrix? |
| 16:22.55 | skugg | murb, an -outstanding- idea :) |
| 16:23.35 | formi | yeap |
| 16:23.49 | new2unix | didnt know it was out yet. |
| 16:24.10 | formi | me neither, until somebody invited me to watch it |
| 16:24.11 | skugg | if I were to give a talk, though, it would probably be a very practical one, demonstrating things you could do etc... (that way I could probably script the whole talk ;) |
| 16:24.20 | dankolb | :) |
| 16:24.46 | formi | it was one of those "oriental jobs" |
| 16:24.56 | new2unix | formi: what hack was that then? |
| 16:25.19 | new2unix | i heard nmap featured in it. is that true? |
| 16:25.53 | formi | it looked like |
| 16:26.28 | formi | I won't spoil the fun for the people who are mad enough to pay money to go and watch it |
| 16:27.10 | new2unix | hey. you cant leave us all high and dry like that. you have to satisfy our curiosity somewhat. please? |
| 16:27.55 | new2unix | what did you see? what hack was it? who performed the hack? why didnt you approve of it? We demand answers dont we folks? |
| 16:28.20 | skugg | new2unix, get him to do it in /msg. |
| 16:29.03 | formi | Choice is an ilusion, created between those with power and those without. |
| 16:29.10 | skugg | no spoilers in the channel please |
| 16:29.38 | formi | did anybody watch Killing Zone last night? |
| 16:29.51 | skugg | close. I watched `Aliens'. |
| 16:30.21 | new2unix | nope. television is the spawn of the devil (i remember somebody telling me many years ago) |
| 16:30.52 | formi | it was a report about what is going on between palestinians and israelis |
| 16:31.17 | formi | and it showed what happend to the bloke from Tuffnel Park |
| 16:32.10 | skugg | new2unix, dunno about that. tv in itself is not evil, but much of the crap they show is. |
| 16:32.14 | formi | Alice was in it, she was with the same group as the bloke protesting and behaving as human shields |
| 16:33.01 | formi | skugg: this was the real thing without no bollocks |
| 16:33.27 | skugg | formi, i've heard. |
| 16:34.50 | formi | when i heard the news about Tom being shot, the first thing that came to my mind was Alice |
| 16:35.33 | formi | I did avoid asking about it, because I had a very bad feeling about it |
| 16:35.33 | skugg | Tom who? |
| 16:36.01 | skugg | Alice came back in one piece earlier this week, afaik. |
| 16:37.51 | formi | skugg: http://wiki.alice-coy.org/index.php?pagename=12%2F04%2F2003&PHPSESSID=fc7892db31d09e60d68b3cb108dfb7f2 |
| 16:41.42 | new2unix | Ouch. that piece drove home like no other political writing. i am indeed sadened by her and others loss. :( |
| 16:42.02 | new2unix | thanks for the link, Formi |
| 16:42.34 | formi | that is one of the reason i stay away from politics activism |
| 16:42.47 | formi | i would be growing a beard and ... |
| 16:58.47 | formi | new2unix: |
| 17:01.36 | formi | anyway |
| 17:01.39 | formi | guys im off |
| 17:01.50 | Xiaoqi | ok... bye |
| 17:01.53 | formi | paying local rates for internet at the moment |
| 17:02.11 | formi | while waiting for the cable |
| 17:02.20 | formi | enjoy |
| 17:03.19 | new2unix | cheers for the link formi |
| 17:03.34 | new2unix | oops! he's gone. oh well |
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| 17:06.17 | armijn | 'lo |
| 17:07.21 | dankolb | eek |
| 17:07.49 | Xiaoqi | hiya armijn |
| 17:07.50 | armijn | dankolb: i thought you were going home :) |
| 17:07.58 | armijn | hi xiaoqi |
| 17:08.14 | dankolb | Err....almost :) |
| 17:08.35 | Xiaoqi | armijn: how are you? |
| 17:09.33 | armijn | xiaoqi: I finished lots of stuff on today's TODO list |
| 17:09.40 | Xiaoqi | cool |
| 17:09.46 | armijn | I think Ineed larger TODO lists... |
| 17:09.51 | Xiaoqi | i didn't - sat in bed all day |
| 17:10.19 | armijn | I need to do surgery on a machine...and install SuSE on it...and make hardware inventory...all tonight! |
| 17:10.41 | Xiaoqi | ah... late night? |
| 17:11.10 | armijn | I'm always doing late nights |
| 17:11.35 | Xiaoqi | hehe - but is that out of choice? |
| 17:12.19 | armijn | well, kinda... |
| 17:12.26 | armijn | at least people leave me alone then |
| 17:12.31 | Xiaoqi | hehe... |
| 17:12.42 | armijn | being lab admin can be tiresome |
| 17:12.55 | Xiaoqi | probably - |
| 17:13.01 | Xiaoqi | I'm still a student though |
| 17:13.10 | Xiaoqi | i only get bugged by tutors |
| 17:13.44 | armijn | can you imagine? I'm also a student... |
| 17:16.06 | Xiaoqi | oh no - you must be so busy!! |
| 17:16.13 | armijn | I should be :) |
| 17:16.20 | armijn | but I spent more time adminning... |
| 17:16.29 | armijn | system here is a bit different than the UK...luckily |
| 17:17.27 | Xiaoqi | hehe... the system in Scotland is good though.. i like it hee |
| 17:17.31 | Xiaoqi | here/6 |
| 17:17.34 | Xiaoqi | here^ |
| 17:17.37 | Xiaoqi | hehe |
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| 17:29.18 | Jenson | Hey guys |
| 17:32.49 | murb | hi jenson |
| 17:33.09 | Jenson | hey murb. how are you? |
| 17:33.39 | murb | I'm working late this is not good. |
| 17:37.42 | A4266 | yo |
| 17:37.52 | A4266 | hey Beks :) |
| 17:37.53 | Xiaoqi | hi Alex! |
| 17:37.54 | Jenson | heya |
| 17:37.58 | A4266 | 'ello Xiaoqi # |
| 17:38.51 | armijn | hmm, finish this SuSE install and then go home |
| 17:39.08 | Jenson | heya armijn |
| 17:39.33 | armijn | hi |
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| 17:47.11 | skugg | murb, i tried registering your key fingerprint the other night, but I've never done this before. what exactly am I supposed to do with this? |
| 17:47.14 | skugg | :) |
| 17:47.31 | murb | skugg: you sign it |
| 17:47.35 | Jenson | heya skugg |
| 17:47.43 | murb | then you do gpg --send-key keyidorsomthing |
| 17:47.47 | murb | --key-server the.earth.li |
| 17:48.20 | skugg | murb, how do I sign it? it wasn't very obvious from the manpage of gpg (though i was fairly tired when I read it) |
| 17:49.20 | murb | gpg --key-server the.earth.li --recv-key mykeyid |
| 17:49.24 | murb | that imports it |
| 17:49.30 | murb | then gpg --sign-key mykeyid |
| 17:49.36 | murb | (from memory) |
| 17:49.53 | skugg | okay, trying now. |
| 17:54.54 | Xiaoqi | hi Jd |
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| 18:00.19 | skugg | gnupg seems to hang getting it... |
| 18:03.29 | murb | it should just work(tm) |
| 18:03.38 | murb | what does you ./.gnupg/options say? |
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| 18:07.29 | skugg | well, i know I've used it before... I wonder if it may be confused by my firewall or something? |
| 18:07.48 | skugg | keylookup found it at once, it's just retrieving it that fails |
| 18:10.16 | JD | hi all |
| 18:10.24 | Jenson | heya JD |
| 18:10.30 | Tarragon | Evening |
| 18:10.41 | Jenson | hey Tarragon |
| 18:10.46 | JD | looks like I've been disconnceted /again/ |
| 18:11.42 | new2unix | hi all. am back, i think. missed anything have i? |
| 18:11.59 | JD | probably not |
| 18:12.12 | new2unix | reading Dan's slides at the mo. |
| 18:13.42 | JD | I was set up at the parish council meeting last week |
| 18:13.50 | Jenson | lol |
| 18:15.49 | JD | argh was one card away form completing this bloody game |
| 18:15.57 | JD | one more game and them I'm gone |
| 18:16.01 | Tarragon | Find out about the line |
| 18:17.38 | JD | Tarragon: I will do but I don't think it will be known tonight |
| 18:17.55 | JD | Tarragon: I'm on the finance committee now so I'll probably ask then |
| 18:18.16 | Tarragon | What all that power and they cannot answer a simple question |
| 18:18.52 | Tarragon | Bet admin spend ends over 5% of total parish allocation. |
| 18:20.28 | JD | Tarragon: the general admin budget comes to aorund 20-25% |
| 18:20.37 | JD | Tarragon: I have not asked the question yet |
| 18:20.54 | JD | I wanted to get a complete copy of the budget so far this year |
| 18:21.02 | JD | copies of all the reciepts and things |
| 18:21.23 | Tarragon | :-O <-gobsmacked smiley |
| 18:21.25 | JD | but I was going to havea quiet word with someone first |
| 18:21.36 | JD | I assume for the admin thing |
| 18:21.46 | JD | we do have a paid part time clerk |
| 18:22.52 | Tarragon | That's it - I wanna join the EU - must be less beauracracy. |
| 18:24.04 | JD | Tarragon: I will see wat I can do about getting these figures available on the web |
| 18:24.10 | JD | let you know how things are working out |
| 18:24.26 | JD | www.cranfield-parish-watch.org |
| 18:25.17 | murb | si that like google-watch? |
| 18:26.15 | JD | that was the idea yes |
| 18:26.17 | skugg | murb, why did you say yesterday that google is the satan of searching? |
| 18:26.18 | JD | gtg |
| 18:26.21 | JD | see you all later |
| 18:26.32 | JD | skugg: www.google-watch.org |
| 18:26.32 | Jenson | seeya JD |
| 18:26.51 | murb | skugg: it was sort of a joke. |
| 18:27.07 | murb | like dell being the great satan of laptops etc. |
| 18:27.30 | skugg | oh. okay. |
| 18:27.58 | skugg | i'm still not getting your key though. weird that. |
| 18:28.12 | skugg | i'll try from void.printf.net..., hang on... |
| 18:36.14 | skugg | murb, hmz. seems to definately be a problem with my connection... it worked fine from void. |
| 18:36.14 | murb | skugg: do you have any filtering on outgoing stuff on your router? |
| 18:36.15 | skugg | not that i know of... |
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| 18:36.15 | Jenson | hey cupis |
| 18:36.15 | cupis | hullo |
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| 18:56.33 | Jenson | hey Clyphox |
| 18:56.37 | Clyphox | Hi |
| 18:56.49 | Clyphox | Hi Bekki |
| 18:56.52 | Clyphox | wa 'gwan ? |
| 18:57.27 | Jenson | nothing as far as i can see |
| 18:57.53 | Clyphox | hehe |
| 19:13.19 | Jenson | BB: |
| 19:13.22 | Jenson | BBL even |
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| 19:31.35 | Xiaoqi | wb Jenson |
| 19:31.55 | Jenson | thanks nik |
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| 19:44.01 | Jenson | wb Clyphox |
| 19:46.10 | Clyphox | Ta :-) |
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| 20:06.03 | new2unix | ibot lart ibot |
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| 20:14.57 | new2unix | BBL much later i hope |
| 20:20.44 | Xiaoqi | ping |
| 20:21.16 | Jenson | pong |
| 20:21.18 | A4266 | pong |
| 20:21.21 | A4266 | hehe |
| 20:21.26 | Xiaoqi | hehe |
| 20:21.37 | Xiaoqi | does something smell? |
| 20:21.54 | A4266 | no, but something did ping... :P |
| 20:22.10 | Xiaoqi | me!!! |
| 20:51.26 | dankolb | pingpong |
| 20:51.37 | Jenson | heya |
| 20:53.49 | Jenson | BBL |
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| 21:56.49 | JD_ | hi all |
| 21:56.57 | JD_ | hmm |
| 21:57.28 | dankolb | hmm to you too |
| 21:57.45 | JD | seems like it |
| 21:57.52 | dankolb | Yup |
| 21:58.31 | JD | ibot: lart freenode |
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| 21:58.58 | JD | everyone is being particularly pleasant to a certian essex girl |
| 22:00.18 | dankolb | Oh? |
| 22:03.04 | *** mode/#gllug [+o JD] by ChanServ |
| 22:03.14 | *** mode/#gllug [+m] by JD |
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| 22:03.38 | dankolb | Ahh. |
| 22:03.49 | dankolb | That requires giving everyone voice |
| 22:05.01 | murb | who, what where? |
| 22:05.07 | dankolb | Behind you! |
| 22:05.32 | murb | toolate. blah |
| 22:05.57 | dankolb | You are eaten by a grue |
| 22:06.35 | *** mode/#gllug [+q dankolb!*@*] by JD |
| 22:06.44 | JD | dankolb: can you talk now? |
| 22:07.45 | eye69 | +q is for silencing somebody without banning them |
| 22:07.45 | *** mode/#gllug [+o dankolb] by ChanServ |
| 22:07.48 | *** mode/#gllug [-q dankolb!*@*] by JD |
| 22:07.56 | dankolb | Thanks :) |
| 22:08.00 | JD | eye69: we know |
| 22:08.01 | *** mode/#gllug [-o dankolb] by dankolb |
| 22:08.05 | JD | just cheking |
| 22:08.06 | dankolb | Otherwise I'd have done it myself |
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| 22:13.09 | dankolb | Zen. |
| 22:13.11 | JD | hi new2unix |
| 22:13.19 | new2unix | howdy |
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| 22:13.33 | dankolb | Hrm. |
| 22:14.00 | JD | didn;t want to talk to you anyway </discust> |
| 22:14.12 | dankolb | No. He never does |
| 22:14.19 | new2unix|away | hehe. just need to pop out for a min. brb |
| 22:14.23 | dankolb | okay |
| 22:17.03 | JD | but it isn;t midnight |
| 22:17.03 | dankolb | But its' not midnight yet |
| 22:17.07 | JD | come back |
| 22:17.09 | Jenson | lol |
| 22:17.09 | Jenson | GMTA |
| 22:17.19 | new2unix|away | it will be by the time i get there. |
| 22:17.19 | JD | We'll let you go in 20-30 minutes |
| 22:17.39 | JD | new2unix|away: where you going? devon? |
| 22:17.46 | new2unix|away | anybody need anything from Sainsburys? |
| 22:18.10 | dankolb | Yes |
| 22:18.13 | dankolb | Probably |
| 22:18.19 | Stephen | yep, a life, but I doubt sainsbury's sell them |
| 22:18.21 | new2unix|away | u get to choose your very own trolly when u shop at midnite |
| 22:18.30 | dankolb | Stephen: Tescos do |
| 22:18.36 | dankolb | Aisle 12, normally |
| 22:18.46 | dankolb | In between the frozen biscuits and the vacuum-packed milk |
| 22:18.50 | Stephen | ah, but all we have here is ASDA :p |
| 22:19.13 | dankolb | Stephen: Well move, then. |
| 22:19.20 | dankolb | there's a Tescos down Cowley road |
| 22:19.24 | Stephen | I will soon |
| 22:19.32 | Stephen | moving to Headington |
| 22:19.38 | dankolb | There's a coop there |
| 22:19.54 | Stephen | yer, and a somerfield, but I doubt that they sell lives |
| 22:20.16 | dankolb | They might do |
| 22:20.21 | dankolb | If it's 24-hours, you could live there |
| 22:20.44 | Stephen | not unless it has 802.11b, and I get a laptop :p |
| 22:20.56 | JD | Stephen: no wonder you need a life :) |
| 22:22.25 | Jenson | Can I ask a stupid question? |
| 22:22.49 | new2unix|away | yeah why not. |
| 22:22.59 | dankolb | Because it'll be logged |
| 22:23.04 | Jenson | Is Bristol in Wales? |
| 22:23.06 | Jenson | heh i dont care |
| 22:23.14 | dankolb | No |
| 22:23.18 | new2unix|away | it could be. |
| 22:23.25 | Jenson | I didnt think it was |
| 22:23.30 | dankolb | Bristol's this side of the river Severn |
| 22:23.50 | Jenson | I was right when I said it was left of London though |
| 22:23.51 | new2unix|away | "it could be" is always the correct answer to a question i dont know |
| 22:24.06 | dankolb | Depends which way up you're looking at it |
| 22:24.26 | Xiaoqi | ping |
| 22:24.32 | Jenson | pong |
| 22:24.37 | JD | Jenson: never ask a bristonian that question |
| 22:25.04 | Jenson | JD: heh, well, I'll know one soon, when he gets there, like the end of this week. |
| 22:25.38 | Stephen | or a welsh person :p |
| 22:25.51 | new2unix|away | OK. final oders please, i'm off to Sainsburys. |
| 22:26.41 | Xiaoqi | ooh... a chocolate eclaire please! |
| 22:28.37 | JD | Jenson: I think you have to be born or raised there to be considered a Bristonian |
| 22:28.46 | JD | I don't think you get that just by visiting |
| 22:28.55 | Jenson | Bah |
| 22:31.13 | JD | that is like saying you are a Londoner cos you've been there a couple of times |
| 22:32.15 | Jenson | JD: I think it's determined by the length of time you've been in a place |
| 22:33.29 | JD | I think being born somewhere is particularly importnat |
| 22:33.57 | Jenson | I was born in Cambridgr...but I'm an Essex girl :P |
| 22:34.30 | JD | did you live in Cambridge? |
| 22:34.40 | JD | or just born in the hospital? |
| 22:34.50 | Jenson | Juist born in the hospital |
| 22:34.56 | Jenson | always lived in Essex |
| 22:35.09 | JD | right so you are an essex girl |
| 22:35.38 | Jenson | Born in Addenbrookes hospital, transfered to West Suffolk hospital, then home to live in Essex |
| 22:36.47 | JD | note my comment about being born and raised |
| 22:39.24 | Jenson | Oh well, time for bed. Night guys |
| 22:40.19 | dankolb | Born in Wycombe, lived in Beaconsfield |
| 22:40.58 | JD | born in Bedford, lived in Cranfield (apart from Uni in leeds) |
| 22:41.09 | dankolb | Uni in Oxford, but that doesn't really count |
| 22:41.16 | JD | now parsih councillor and member of the village hall committee :) |
| 22:41.22 | dankolb | You're a $FOO person, if you're born/raised in $FOO |
| 22:41.34 | JD | dankolb: brookes? |
| 22:41.41 | dankolb | No |
| 22:41.43 | dankolb | The real one |
| 22:42.54 | JD | ah okay |
| 22:43.06 | JD | we have a smart boy in our midst then |
| 22:43.10 | Stephen | heh |
| 22:43.23 | JD | or just didn;t like the travel? |
| 22:43.58 | dankolb | I didn't like Cambridge |
| 22:44.04 | dankolb | and the didn't offer the course that I wanted to do |
| 22:45.29 | JD | Uni |
| 22:45.57 | Stephen | I don't really like Oxford, the city, either |
| 22:46.56 | JD | can't comment on it |
| 22:47.21 | JD | dankolb: so are you going to join your parish/town council? |
| 22:47.44 | dankolb | It feels more like home in the few years that I've been there, than Wycombe ever did. Or Beaconsfield |
| 22:47.55 | dankolb | Unlikely - I don't plan to stay that long here yet |
| 22:48.45 | Stephen | dankolb: it's the city centre I was referring to, not the city in general really |
| 22:51.14 | dankolb | I don't mind the centre |
| 23:10.29 | skugg | night guys |
| 23:10.49 | dankolb | 'night |
| 23:10.53 | dankolb | and 'night all |
| 23:29.04 | new2unix | am back. yipee |
| 23:33.17 | JD | and everyone else has gone |
| 23:33.21 | JD | including me |
| 23:33.24 | JD | cos I'm going to bed |
| 23:33.36 | new2unix | seeya |
| 23:34.41 | JD | hmmm maybe I'll do that at lunch time or early evening. |
| 23:37.21 | JD | really which one? |
| 23:38.27 | new2unix | cant remember his name or his nick. but he was at the last gllug meet. |
| 23:38.54 | new2unix | met him at the fruit and veg section fully clad |
| 23:59.56 | *** join/#gllug new2unix_ (~new2unix@dsl-217-155-250-137.zen.co.uk) |