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| 07:34.42 | zachary | moin |
| 08:08.12 | JD | hi all |
| 08:08.29 | JD | sorry for starting a conversation yesterday |
| 08:08.33 | JD | got disconnected |
| 08:08.40 | JD | couldn't be bothered to reconnect |
| 08:16.32 | JD | ping |
| 08:19.37 | dankolb | Morning |
| 08:24.50 | SpudUAway | Hi ho. |
| 08:25.03 | SpudUAway | You still set for tomorrow evening? |
| 08:25.32 | dankolb | Sure - meet in the coffee bar above Euston Square around 6.30? |
| 08:25.46 | SpudUAway | Good stuff. |
| 08:26.21 | SpudUAway | New2Unix and SpyPigeon are coming too. |
| 08:26.37 | dankolb | Good stuff. |
| 08:26.41 | JD | had is happening tomorrow? |
| 08:26.44 | JD | what |
| 08:26.54 | SpudUAway | Radio recording. |
| 08:26.55 | JD | wtf how did I get what and had confused? |
| 08:26.59 | JD | ah right |
| 08:27.25 | JD | SpudUAway: I was going to say last night that I saw 2 girls wearing legwarmers |
| 08:27.34 | SpudUAway | Maybe there is a game of Had happening tomorrow. We live in a richly cultured world. |
| 08:27.39 | SpudUAway | So I'm told! |
| 08:28.01 | SpudUAway | You have something against leg warmers? |
| 08:28.10 | JD | you know, like the things people wore in the 80s. like baggy knee-length socks but with out the sock part |
| 08:28.25 | JD | SpudUAway: that are *not* fashionable |
| 08:28.40 | SpudUAway | You've not had your coffee have you! |
| 08:28.43 | JD | and as for these 2 girls on the train home on Tuesday |
| 08:28.55 | JD | SpudUAway: no I always spell like this |
| 08:29.19 | SpudUAway | OK, I'll beleive you.... |
| 08:29.29 | SpudUAway | And on Tuesday ...... ? |
| 08:29.57 | JD | they durrently don't have any keys on them |
| 08:30.48 | SpudUAway | And on Tuesday ...... ? |
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| 08:31.09 | SPQR | 'lo |
| 08:31.11 | SpudUAway | K can 't wait till tomorrow to hear about these two girls. |
| 08:31.18 | JD | SpudUAway: I don't want to talk about it |
| 08:31.42 | SpudUAway | Go on, will ya'. |
| 08:31.49 | JD | SpudUAway: I'm currently trying to surpress the memories to those clothes |
| 08:32.06 | JD | when I say girl I mean kind of 18ish |
| 08:32.51 | JD | and the rest of the worlds population |
| 08:33.11 | SpudUAway | 80s fashion has been revived 3 times since the 80s! |
| 08:33.12 | JD | hideous, shocking, unforgivable |
| 08:33.56 | SpudUAway | There are some of us who haven't quite left it behind for the first time yet!!! |
| 09:01.02 | Xiaoqi | morning all |
| 09:01.18 | dankolb | Hi |
| 09:01.55 | Xiaoqi | hows it going? |
| 09:04.24 | dankolb | Okay |
| 09:06.27 | dankolb | you? |
| 09:07.20 | Xiaoqi | I'm still snuggled in duvet... hehe |
| 09:07.37 | dankolb | BedIRC! |
| 09:07.39 | Xiaoqi | for once david has to be up b4 me! |
| 09:07.42 | Xiaoqi | yup |
| 09:07.43 | dankolb | I've been at work for an hour |
| 09:07.55 | Xiaoqi | aargh... work bad |
| 09:08.13 | dankolb | Sometimes |
| 09:08.29 | Xiaoqi | is it good or bad today? |
| 09:09.15 | dankolb | Haven't decided yet :) |
| 09:09.31 | Xiaoqi | ah... |
| 09:10.02 | Xiaoqi | i should be working... but procrastinating seems much more inviting |
| 09:15.49 | dankolb | Definitely. |
| 09:15.55 | dankolb | Specially if it's in a nice warm bed |
| 09:16.04 | Xiaoqi | very true... |
| 09:16.25 | Xiaoqi | do have a deadline for tomorrow though... hmm... plenty of time |
| 09:16.36 | dankolb | Yeah. Loads of time |
| 09:16.36 | Xiaoqi | hows the talk going? |
| 09:16.46 | dankolb | I was in Oxford all last night |
| 09:17.42 | SpudUAway | Happy Wesak one and all. |
| 09:17.49 | Xiaoqi | oh yeah... did u hav fun? |
| 09:17.53 | dankolb | Thank you? |
| 09:18.43 | Xiaoqi | SpudUAway: what's a wesak? |
| 09:19.01 | SpudUAway | ibot what's wesak |
| 09:19.01 | | SpudUAway: i haven't a clue |
| 09:19.12 | SpudUAway | Bah, I think you do mate. |
| 09:19.17 | SpudUAway | ibot wesak |
| 09:19.18 | | [wesak] the most important of the Buddhist festivals and is celebrated in May. It celebrates Buddha's birthday. |
| 09:19.26 | Xiaoqi | ah... |
| 09:19.36 | Xiaoqi | happy wesak |
| 09:20.11 | SpudUAway | Ho ho ho. |
| 09:20.22 | SpudUAway | No, that's something else, in'it. |
| 09:20.23 | dankolb | No, that's 5 months out |
| 09:20.26 | SpudUAway | Soon be here too. |
| 09:20.28 | dankolb | (or 7 months) |
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| 09:21.07 | SpudUAway | Only 7 months, better start defrosting the turkey. |
| 09:22.12 | Xiaoqi | hehehe |
| 09:22.58 | dankolb | Put the sprouts on |
| 09:23.44 | Xiaoqi | better start roasting the potatoes and making the stuffing |
| 09:24.30 | SpudUAway | But the sprouts have been on since Feb. How else can I get them to that texture? |
| 09:25.44 | SpudUAway | S'pose at xmas all the coders out there will be passing really bad headers at compile time, basically Stuffing the Make. |
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| 09:31.57 | dankolb | Heh :) |
| 09:32.01 | dankolb | That was bad joke |
| 09:37.28 | JD | bah |
| 09:37.32 | JD | not funny |
| 09:37.34 | dankolb | you missed ir |
| 09:37.36 | dankolb | *it |
| 09:37.42 | JD | indeed |
| 09:37.49 | JD | that is what wasn't funny |
| 09:38.02 | dankolb | Get decent net connection |
| 09:40.13 | Xiaoqi | aargh!!! |
| 09:40.35 | dankolb | ? |
| 09:40.47 | Xiaoqi | i swear that david would forget is head if it wsan't screwed on!!!!! |
| 09:40.53 | dankolb | heh |
| 09:40.58 | dankolb | what's he done now? |
| 09:41.12 | Xiaoqi | he lost his NHS medical certificate - which i have just found... and |
| 09:41.32 | Xiaoqi | he has just gone off to jobcentre plus without the form that they sent him to fill in |
| 09:41.56 | Xiaoqi | why do i get the feeling I'm about to have to run out the door and take it to him? |
| 09:42.00 | Xiaoqi | grrr... |
| 09:42.02 | Xiaoqi | hehe |
| 09:42.08 | dankolb | What would he do without you? :) |
| 09:42.57 | Xiaoqi | erm... fail miserable, never eat, and live in a dump? without having any of the stuff he meant to take with him? |
| 09:43.14 | Xiaoqi | no.. he's not really that bad |
| 09:43.23 | Xiaoqi | just a might forgetful at times |
| 09:43.33 | Xiaoqi | he's getting better though |
| 09:44.25 | Xiaoqi | honest... |
| 09:44.31 | Xiaoqi | ;-P |
| 09:45.27 | dankolb | :) |
| 09:45.30 | dankolb | You're training him? |
| 09:45.34 | dankolb | Domesticating him? |
| 10:07.12 | Xiaoqi | dankolb: only a little... he is cooking and cleaning... |
| 10:07.36 | dankolb | :) |
| 10:56.56 | Xiaoqi | lalalalala |
| 11:06.51 | dankolb | Listening? |
| 11:12.04 | Xiaoqi | nope... just bored i guess |
| 11:12.19 | dankolb | Heh :) |
| 11:12.31 | dankolb | Don't you have essays to write or something? |
| 11:13.39 | Xiaoqi | yeah... but wish i didn't |
| 11:16.25 | dankolb | Well, yeah |
| 11:53.41 | dankolb | Woohoo! |
| 11:53.47 | dankolb | just worked out a few more things for my talk |
| 12:06.59 | zachary | dankolb: let me find you a partner. |
| 12:07.03 | zachary | ibot dance |
| 12:07.03 | | ACTION does a disco dance. |
| 12:07.18 | dankolb | Thanks :) |
| 12:08.28 | dankolb | BTW, in your network diagram, I'm taking the DMZ to have all routeable external IP addresses |
| 12:08.42 | dankolb | So they're not being NATted, only firewalled |
| 12:11.36 | zachary | I'm taking a guess, but one advantage of external ip's vs. NAT is better routing effiency? |
| 12:12.39 | dankolb | NAT is a horrible kludge? |
| 12:21.55 | dankolb | zachary: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2993.txt |
| 12:22.04 | dankolb | Page10 of that gives 'Problems with NATs' |
| 12:25.43 | zachary | dankolb: ty, checking it out. |
| 12:26.21 | dankolb | yw |
| 12:34.13 | murb | yeah the implications of NAT rfc is good thing to cite to your ISP when you need more address space. |
| 12:37.09 | dankolb | Yup |
| 12:37.12 | SpudUAway | Hi |
| 12:37.27 | SpudUAway | Bugger, wrong room. |
| 12:37.31 | dankolb | Bye then |
| 12:37.41 | SpudUAway | ;-) |
| 12:37.48 | dankolb | Are we not worth saying 'hi' to |
| 12:37.50 | dankolb | ? |
| 12:42.32 | SpudUAway | Well, yeah you are, you know you are, you know how dear you all are too me. It's just that someone was dearer. |
| 12:53.20 | JD | hi all |
| 12:53.42 | SpudUAway | JD: Was that for us? |
| 12:53.53 | JD | all but you :) |
| 12:54.08 | JD | dankolb: sorry I won;t be able to make your talk |
| 12:59.55 | dankolb | Aww. That's okay. |
| 13:06.22 | dankolb | Well, I wouldn't have minded saying hi to you |
| 13:07.12 | dankolb | Are you going to come to the pub at least? |
| 13:07.35 | JD | not sure |
| 13:07.48 | JD | I have 1500 words to write by Tuesday |
| 13:08.04 | JD | I have Sunday availabl to me and possibly a bit of tonight |
| 13:08.22 | JD | and possibly a bit of tomorrow night, but I have to drive to preston and back tomorrow |
| 13:08.32 | JD | I have Modnay evening |
| 13:08.40 | JD | but I may ask for Monday off work |
| 13:08.41 | dankolb | What's more important than Gllug on Saturday? |
| 13:10.48 | JD | the 425GBP I spent on the course |
| 13:21.46 | dankolb | Bah :-P |
| 13:22.02 | dankolb | apt-get fails a dist-upgrade, getting YellowDog 2.3 to 3.0 |
| 13:23.48 | JD | Not-My-Problem (TM) |
| 13:23.59 | JD | Debian I could have helped you witj |
| 13:27.21 | dankolb | Heh :) |
| 13:32.33 | murb | JD: you refused to help people who don't use the one true linux distrbution? |
| 13:41.26 | zachary | bbl, few hours |
| 13:47.33 | JD | murb: more of I am incapable of helping |
| 13:57.39 | dankolb | murb: He doesn't help people using Slackware ;-) |
| 14:07.23 | dankolb | Yellowdog 2.3 came on one CD. 3.0 comes on 3 |
| 14:08.10 | Stephen | yep, that's what they call 'progress' |
| 14:19.47 | murb | dankolb: which is just as bad. |
| 14:37.42 | dankolb | Two floppies to start you off :) |
| 14:44.19 | JD | dankolb: I can do a 6 floppy install |
| 14:44.38 | dankolb | I don't have 6 floppies |
| 14:44.45 | dankolb | And that's not particularly impressive |
| 14:44.56 | dankolb | WinNT4 needed 3 floppies |
| 14:45.03 | dankolb | 95/98 needed one |
| 14:45.13 | JD | dankolb: it includes /lib/modules |
| 14:45.20 | JD | dankolb: but you need the CD after that |
| 14:45.21 | dankolb | Slackware 8 needed 2 |
| 14:45.25 | dankolb | OpenBSD needs 1 |
| 14:45.38 | dankolb | So 6 doesn't really impress me :) |
| 14:47.14 | dankolb | We have excessive processing power but a lack of disk space |
| 14:47.33 | dankolb | Which is the main problem with us consolidating Linux machines to a UML host |
| 15:08.59 | Xiaoqi | hi all |
| 15:09.09 | dankolb | Hi |
| 15:09.26 | Xiaoqi | hows your afternoon? |
| 15:09.39 | dankolb | Slow |
| 15:09.44 | dankolb | Which is good, compared to the morning |
| 15:09.54 | Xiaoqi | hehe... |
| 15:10.03 | Xiaoqi | bad morning then? |
| 15:10.11 | dankolb | Busy |
| 15:10.16 | Xiaoqi | hmm... |
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| 15:41.27 | JD | dankolb: if you use UML you can share /usr and such like |
| 15:42.10 | dankolb | That is true |
| 15:43.12 | dankolb | Although might make it slightly more annoying for maintenance - update one machine will update /usr, and then the other machines' package databases will be out of sync |
| 15:44.28 | Clyphox | Howzit |
| 15:44.31 | dankolb | moo |
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| 15:45.17 | dankolb | oom? |
| 15:45.32 | Clyphox | doom? |
| 15:45.38 | dankolb | The /quit of doom? |
| 15:46.17 | Clyphox | I keep pressin Ctrl+C (with CAPS on) |
| 15:46.31 | Clyphox | Then can't make heads or tails of my display |
| 15:57.05 | dankolb | Heh |
| 15:57.16 | JD | dankolb: you could just upgrade all of them and just overwrite /usr |
| 15:58.09 | dankolb | And install individual bits of software in /opt ? |
| 15:58.16 | dankolb | Because, say, not all machines will need Apache |
| 15:58.24 | dankolb | So that shouldn't go into a shared /usr |
| 16:02.20 | SPQR | re |
| 16:03.00 | dankolb | hi |
| 16:03.05 | SPQR | hey |
| 16:04.04 | SPQR | joke: Two dyslexic robbers walk into a bank and shout "Air in the hands motherstickers!! This this a Fsck-up!!" |
| 16:04.40 | Stephen | lol |
| 16:05.40 | JD | dyslexia rules KO |
| 16:05.46 | SPQR | lol |
| 16:12.19 | dankolb | heh :) |
| 16:13.19 | Xiaoqi | hiya SPQR |
| 16:16.12 | JD | took about 5min just to do a trustdb update |
| 16:16.52 | JD | probably doesn't help that I have a 8.3M pubring |
| 16:17.14 | JD | and that I have about 50 or so signatures on my key |
| 16:18.01 | dankolb | Heh |
| 16:23.34 | SPQR | Heya Xiaoqi |
| 16:28.23 | Xiaoqi | JD: how can you fit 50 signatures on one key? or is it a very big key? |
| 16:28.33 | Xiaoqi | SPQR: hows it going today? |
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| 16:37.16 | JD | Xiaoqi: man gpg |
| 16:37.56 | Xiaoqi | JD: ;-P |
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| 16:47.32 | Xiaoqi | off to shop. bbl |
| 17:01.21 | dankolb | I'm off home |
| 17:05.32 | JD | night |
| 17:11.02 | JD | night all |
| 17:30.20 | Xiaoqi | night JD |
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| 17:54.33 | Xiaoqi | hi Leeds |
| 17:54.43 | Leeds | foo, indeed |
| 17:55.28 | Xiaoqi | how is you? |
| 17:56.02 | Leeds | not too bad... |
| 17:56.06 | Leeds | you? |
| 17:57.53 | Xiaoqi | I am good thanks |
| 18:01.52 | Xiaoqi | silly question, but I'm writing an essay - does ne1 know anything about taboo? |
| 18:02.11 | Leeds | as in stuff which is culturally forbidden? |
| 18:03.15 | Xiaoqi | pretty much |
| 18:03.18 | Xiaoqi | the title is 'what makes something taboo' |
| 18:03.33 | Xiaoqi | all I've done so far is define what a taboo really is |
| 18:03.36 | Leeds | time/society/religion |
| 18:03.37 | Xiaoqi | I'm kinda stuck |
| 18:03.51 | Xiaoqi | yeah |
| 18:04.30 | Leeds | um... /me not a sociologist/anthrologist |
| 18:04.38 | Leeds | anthropologist |
| 18:05.00 | Xiaoqi | hehe... |
| 18:05.07 | Xiaoqi | thanks anyway though... |
| 18:05.26 | Leeds | which side of that are you? |
| 18:05.35 | Xiaoqi | anth |
| 18:05.51 | Xiaoqi | or, thats what the subject is |
| 18:06.05 | Xiaoqi | think I'm gonna b an archaeologist thoug |
| 18:06.06 | Xiaoqi | h |
| 18:06.08 | Xiaoqi | dunno |
| 18:06.31 | Leeds | so, ancient/primative taboos? |
| 18:06.45 | Xiaoqi | fossilised ones - yes |
| 18:07.03 | Leeds | Jewish name-of-god thing any good? |
| 18:07.20 | Xiaoqi | my favourite definition of an archaeologist is 'dustbin ruminator' |
| 18:07.29 | Xiaoqi | jewish name-of-god thing? |
| 18:07.55 | Leeds | not saying/writing it... |
| 18:08.02 | Leeds | have you ever seen G-d written? |
| 18:08.10 | Xiaoqi | no I haven't |
| 18:08.20 | Xiaoqi | but it's a very good example |
| 18:08.26 | Xiaoqi | ah... |
| 18:08.51 | Xiaoqi | that's really cool - interesting i mean |
| 18:09.17 | Leeds | there are rules about writing and saying the names... they certainly don't cover doing it in English, but people follow them anyway |
| 18:09.37 | Xiaoqi | ah.. I never knew that |
| 18:09.56 | Xiaoqi | thankyou - you have just given me a whole new bit for my essay! |
| 18:10.11 | Leeds | glad to help... but research it :-) |
| 18:11.21 | Leeds | then, of course, you get into burying paper with it written on... rather than burning or otherwise destroying it |
| 18:13.00 | Xiaoqi | burying it? |
| 18:13.21 | Xiaoqi | funky |
| 18:13.40 | Xiaoqi | i will research it - i wouldn't just stick a load of drivel in the essay |
| 18:13.49 | Leeds | Jewish graveyards often have a section to bury 'holy' paper |
| 18:14.17 | Xiaoqi | I never knew that - this is fascinating! |
| 18:14.53 | Leeds | heh... I've been to ancient sites all over Israel :-) |
| 18:15.20 | Xiaoqi | cool! |
| 18:20.40 | Leeds | even done some tourist digging... |
| 18:25.13 | Xiaoqi | ooh.....!!! |
| 18:25.48 | Leeds | lots of nice ones in Israel... |
| 18:26.16 | Xiaoqi | unfortunately - it |
| 18:26.25 | Xiaoqi | 's a scottish archaeology course |
| 18:26.32 | Xiaoqi | so i have to dig in scotland |
| 18:26.35 | Leeds | ugh |
| 18:26.51 | Xiaoqi | lots of nicw cairns and round houses and stuff |
| 18:26.51 | Leeds | doesn't strike me as the most exciting place to dig |
| 18:27.19 | Xiaoqi | it's fascinating! |
| 18:27.33 | Leeds | if you say so... |
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| 18:28.00 | Xiaoqi | there is loads here - hardly been looked into yet! |
| 18:28.58 | Leeds | if you say so... :-) |
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| 18:30.34 | Jenson | evening |
| 18:37.09 | Xiaoqi | evening |
| 18:37.35 | Xiaoqi | how r u tonight? |
| 18:39.35 | Jenson | alright |
| 18:40.30 | Xiaoqi | alright good or alright coping? |
| 18:40.54 | Jenson | good |
| 18:40.55 | Jenson | :) |
| 18:40.57 | Jenson | you? |
| 18:41.10 | Xiaoqi | alright tired -hehe |
| 18:41.32 | Xiaoqi | I have a deadline for tomorrow that I have to finish the work for, but it's not hat bad |
| 18:41.41 | Xiaoqi | ^that |
| 18:41.56 | Xiaoqi | I'm enjoying it for once - hehe |
| 18:42.03 | Jenson | I'm bouncy |
| 18:42.08 | Jenson | bouncy bouncy bouncy |
| 18:42.10 | Xiaoqi | thats good |
| 18:42.14 | Xiaoqi | I do that |
| 18:42.17 | Xiaoqi | ;- |
| 18:42.18 | Leeds | too much caffiene? |
| 18:42.19 | Xiaoqi | p |
| 18:42.24 | Jenson | lol nope men |
| 18:42.32 | Xiaoqi | men? |
| 18:42.39 | Leeds | too many men??? |
| 18:42.41 | Xiaoqi | as in more than one? |
| 18:43.06 | Xiaoqi | or have you been bouncing with men? |
| 18:43.13 | Jenson | BRB |
| 18:43.32 | Leeds | hmm... |
| 18:43.55 | Xiaoqi | interesting at ne rate |
| 18:44.09 | Leeds | yup |
| 18:45.09 | Jenson | back |
| 18:45.12 | Jenson | bounce lol |
| 18:45.18 | Jenson | and no i havent been bouncing with men |
| 18:45.40 | Xiaoqi | bouncing is very good - it is a sign of lots of happiness |
| 18:45.46 | Leeds | or drugs |
| 18:45.53 | Xiaoqi | what about men is making you so bouncy? |
| 18:46.09 | Jenson | Alex suggested we meet up with Ross for a drink, but now I'm meeting Ross earlier (coz I have loads of his stuff) then meeting Alex later (for a drink with Ross) then going to Alex's |
| 18:46.47 | Xiaoqi | ah... that sounds fun |
| 18:47.27 | Jenson | ewwww linux is really fscking this midi files....(contemplates booting win or loading the mp3 to play it properly) |
| 18:48.42 | Jenson | Then saturday is gllug, (probably only going to the pub bit though) and sunday is doss around with Al day |
| 18:49.08 | Xiaoqi | but isn't dankolb doing the talk in gllug on saturday? |
| 18:49.22 | Jenson | yeh he is |
| 18:49.28 | Jenson | not sure he wants to see me though |
| 18:49.43 | Xiaoqi | hmm... |
| 18:50.01 | Xiaoqi | who is ross btw? |
| 18:50.41 | Jenson | you wont know him |
| 18:50.43 | Jenson | my ex |
| 18:50.47 | Xiaoqi | ah... |
| 18:51.01 | Jenson | Ask David, he knows him |
| 18:51.08 | Xiaoqi | he's on the phone |
| 18:51.32 | Xiaoqi | i take it you're still good friends then |
| 18:51.38 | Xiaoqi | you and ross |
| 18:51.44 | Jenson | yeh, you could say that |
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| 19:00.49 | Jenson | re |
| 19:01.03 | Xiaoqi | hello? |
| 19:01.21 | Jenson | damn netsplits |
| 19:01.35 | Xiaoqi | ibot: lart netsplit |
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| 19:12.29 | Clyphox | yay |
| 19:12.31 | Clyphox | The Matrix comes closer |
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| 19:12.43 | Jenson | lol heya Clyphox you're as bad as Al |
| 19:25.03 | Jenson | GTG |
| 19:25.04 | Jenson | cya |
| 19:27.15 | Clyphox | eh? |
| 19:30.23 | Xiaoqi | hi Clyphox |
| 20:42.04 | Clyphox | Hi Xiaoqi |
| 20:42.21 | Xiaoqi | hehe... how is u? |
| 20:42.45 | Clyphox | I is ok |
| 20:42.48 | Clyphox | u? |
| 20:43.13 | Xiaoqi | I is good - wine is nice ;-) |
| 20:53.44 | Xiaoqi | anyone other than Clyphox there? |
| 20:55.26 | Xiaoqi | I guess thats a rsounding 'no' |
| 20:55.38 | Xiaoqi | oh well... |
| 20:56.29 | Leeds | foo |
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| 20:58.14 | Xiaoqi | oof! |
| 20:58.48 | Xiaoqi | hiya!! |
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| 20:59.07 | Xiaoqi | bye.... |
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| 20:59.35 | Xiaoqi | hi |
| 20:59.39 | new2unix | Hello |
| 20:59.45 | Xiaoqi | howzit? |
| 20:59.51 | Leeds | bar |
| 21:00.02 | Xiaoqi | moo? |
| 21:01.06 | Leeds | pub |
| 21:01.13 | new2unix_sash | foo |
| 21:01.39 | Xiaoqi | ah - booze |
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| 21:03.57 | highbury | hi there |
| 21:04.42 | new2unix_sash | Hello |
| 21:04.45 | zachary | evening highbury |
| 21:06.13 | Xiaoqi | hiya |
| 21:06.17 | highbury | gosh, hasn't the week gone quickly.. |
| 21:06.40 | zachary | been busy? |
| 21:06.59 | highbury | I'd almost forgotten I get to go home tomorrow :-) |
| 21:06.59 | murb | do you have internet access in brisol? |
| 21:07.19 | highbury | very busy. |
| 21:07.47 | highbury | I signed up with One-Tel so I get charged 1p per minute from my hotel room |
| 21:08.17 | Xiaoqi | hello? |
| 21:08.42 | Clyphox | poor icle Xiaoqi.. is everyone ignoring you? |
| 21:09.06 | highbury | mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 21:09.17 | Xiaoqi | yey! |
| 21:09.30 | Clyphox | awe.. |
| 21:09.35 | Leeds | did someone say something? |
| 21:09.41 | Xiaoqi | :-) |
| 21:09.55 | Xiaoqi | hello Leeds |
| 21:11.02 | Xiaoqi | hello |
| 21:11.15 | Xiaoqi | (no offence meant to anyone with hearing problems) |
| 21:11.46 | highbury | I'd done a quickie comparison attempt to find out the cheapest way to get access from a freephone number, the cheapest were Alphatelecom and one-tel |
| 21:13.23 | highbury | Alpha telecom had a premium support line, and only provided internet access, no email/news/homepage |
| 21:14.43 | highbury | One-tel, had cheaper support line, all of the rest, and basically sounded more professional on the phone. All for the same price, i.e no sign-up charge, 1p per minute via a 0808 (freephone number) |
| 21:14.46 | Leeds | ugh... |
| 21:14.54 | Leeds | nasty nasty gory bit in Buffy coming up |
| 21:15.16 | Leeds | which Sky cut - the bastards! |
| 21:15.30 | highbury | apparently 30th May, is Buffy Finale in US |
| 21:15.36 | Leeds | nope |
| 21:15.56 | Leeds | 20th |
| 21:16.01 | Leeds | i.e. next week |
| 21:16.20 | highbury | how far behind are we? |
| 21:16.55 | Leeds | the ep on Sky tonight was on a month ago today |
| 21:18.47 | Leeds | only one ep left, ever :-( |
| 21:25.42 | Xiaoqi | thats depressing - I don't have sky though, so I've still got a while... hehe |
| 21:26.03 | Xiaoqi | They must be much further behind on bbc2 |
| 21:26.05 | Leeds | ah - I don't rely on sky anyway... that's what ADSL is for :-) |
| 21:27.16 | Leeds | bbc2 showed ep 20 of 22 of series 6 tonight... sky just showed ep 18 of 22 of series 7... US showed 21 of 22 of series 7 earlier in the week |
| 21:27.23 | Leeds | so bbc2 is almost exactly a series behind |
| 21:29.12 | Xiaoqi | ok... so there's longer for us poor people than the rich ones then... hehe |
| 21:29.48 | Leeds | yeah - you need either sky or broadband... given the choice, I'd certainly go for broadband |
| 21:31.04 | SpudULike | I've done the odd mp3 but never video. How long does it usually take to get an episode? |
| 21:31.15 | Leeds | a few hours |
| 21:31.19 | Leeds | 4-6 or so |
| 21:37.25 | highbury | dang! I hate it, when something as simple as "echo" can be incompatible between Linux and Solaris! |
| 21:37.58 | Leeds | -e -n? |
| 21:38.02 | Clyphox | lol |
| 21:38.37 | highbury | yep, Solaris doesn't have -e |
| 21:39.04 | Leeds | highbury: use bash everywhere... |
| 21:39.40 | highbury | but Linux isn't innocent, find/findutils don't adhere to locales |
| 21:40.14 | highbury | Leeds: unfortunately, I have to audit/run scripts on machines which don't have it :-( |
| 21:40.25 | Leeds | well don't do that then :-P |
| 21:42.06 | highbury | for example, if you do a "find . -ls" and a "find . -exec ls -ld {} \;" why are the date formats different |
| 21:42.53 | highbury | at least in the latter LC_TIME can adjust the format, in the first its ignored! |
| 21:42.53 | Leeds | are they the same anywhere? |
| 21:43.43 | highbury | LC_TIME="en_GB" ls -l |
| 21:43.45 | highbury | vs |
| 21:43.53 | highbury | LC_TIME="en_GB" find . -ls |
| 21:45.48 | Leeds | and I say again... |
| 21:45.52 | Leeds | are they the same on any system? |
| 21:46.22 | highbury | try it on Solaris, they should both be the same |
| 21:46.51 | Leeds | nope |
| 21:47.03 | highbury | then again HP-UX doesn't have a -ls flag to find |
| 21:47.24 | highbury | hmmm, really? its a bug! |
| 21:47.39 | highbury | not POSIX compliant! |
| 21:48.40 | Leeds | -rw-rw-r-- 1 rc112576 staff 99 Oct 20 2000 ReadMe.txt |
| 21:48.53 | highbury | posix format |
| 21:48.55 | Leeds | 888188 1 -rw-rw-r-- 1 rc112576 staff 99 Oct 20 2000 ./ReadMe.txt |
| 21:49.11 | highbury | still posix format |
| 21:49.26 | highbury | -rw-r--r-- 1 steve users 29849 2003-05-09 12:02 tcbparse.awk |
| 21:49.27 | Leeds | there's a number at the start of one - they don't look the same |
| 21:49.36 | Leeds | or are you only talking about the timestamp? |
| 21:49.55 | highbury | ahh, that's the inode number and block size |
| 21:50.15 | highbury | yep, that's why I keep talking about LC_TIME |
| 21:50.35 | zachary | I'm off to bed, good night. |
| 21:50.53 | Leeds | ah, oops |
| 21:50.55 | Leeds | didn't notice that |
| 21:51.17 | Stephen | adding my two pennyworth to the discussion, I'm pretty annoyed at my uni. for setting the shells on everyone's UNIX accounts to csh by default, which is going to deter people from using UNIX, not encouraging them |
| 21:51.21 | highbury | I ran to find's on a system, one with one without -ls flag, the -ls flag allows Solaris and Linux to recurse thrrough the files system 7 times faster |
| 21:51.34 | highbury | csh is ok |
| 21:51.40 | highbury | for interactive use |
| 21:52.26 | Stephen | I really can't stand it, and yes, the (often small) differences between Linux and Solaris are beginning to annoy me now too |
| 21:52.32 | highbury | if they have any other shells, you can easily override it |
| 21:53.04 | highbury | tcsh is available on Linux, some people really like it |
| 21:53.14 | Stephen | yer, but I would have thought that <2% of people are going to even know that it's possible, let alone how to do it |
| 21:53.39 | Stephen | yep, bash is present on the system, which makes it almost useable |
| 21:53.49 | highbury | put "exec bash" in your .cshrc |
| 21:53.51 | Leeds | we have csh by default at work... |
| 21:54.01 | Leeds | bash is installed by default on any vaguely-recent Solaris |
| 21:54.06 | Stephen | highbury: was almost the first thing I did :p |
| 21:54.13 | highbury | csh is the traditional default shell for all but root |
| 21:54.14 | Leeds | highbury: -ls is quicker??? |
| 21:54.21 | Stephen | Leeds: this is 8 I think |
| 21:54.23 | highbury | 7 times quicker |
| 21:54.35 | Leeds | Stephen: it's there |
| 21:55.08 | Leeds | highbury: I'd have thought it was a lot slower |
| 21:56.03 | Stephen | Leeds: I know, and it's about the only reason why I do any work on it, as opposed to doing all work on linux and then FTPing it over |
| 21:56.48 | highbury | with "-exec ls -ld {} \;" it as to fire off a subshell everytime, I guess |
| 21:57.12 | highbury | of course if I had Perl on the system, its usually faster still!! |
| 21:58.11 | Leeds | Perl is on Solaris... :-) |
| 21:58.53 | Clyphox | perl is on everything |
| 21:59.10 | highbury | unfortunately, I'm looking at standard Solaris 8 installs, HP-UX 10 and 11, AIX 4.3 |
| 22:00.13 | highbury | on the base Solaris 8 install? |
| 22:00.56 | Leeds | yeah, I think so |
| 22:01.07 | Leeds | Solaris 8 was a long time ago... |
| 22:02.40 | Leeds | ah! that'd be Solaris 9 then... |
| 22:03.12 | Stephen | it's 8 I think: 'SunOS cs3 5.8' |
| 22:03.44 | Leeds | yeah' |
| 22:17.44 | highbury | actually I quite like the en_GB format for dates, but I was shocked when I realised they blew away one of the separators, potentially breaking scripts, eg "May 15 18:41" has 3 fields and "2003-05-15 18:41" only has two |
| 22:18.11 | Leeds | yeah |
| 22:45.16 | dankolb | Would you like me to put in 'benefits of pf over iptables' in my talk? |
| 22:45.23 | dankolb | (I haven't so far) |
| 22:47.17 | Leeds | why not? |
| 22:48.14 | Leeds | I would like to point out - for those who don't know - that the GTK2 (at least) file selector does tab-completion |
| 22:48.21 | Leeds | snippet from FOSDEM |
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| 23:15.37 | Clyphox|Monkey | Anyone here got winex? |
| 23:15.58 | Leeds | got beerx... |
| 23:16.00 | new2unix | ibot whatis winex? |
| 23:16.01 | | new2unix: I give up, what is it? |
| 23:16.14 | dankolb | Wine for games |
| 23:16.25 | Stephen | Clyphox: no, I have windows 98, I dislike wine |
| 23:16.28 | Stephen | :) |
| 23:16.31 | new2unix | I dont play games |
| 23:16.41 | Leeds | I play native games |
| 23:16.54 | Clyphox | I live on earth |
| 23:17.07 | Stephen | I don't (or so people tell me) |
| 23:17.20 | new2unix | games are for people who have too much time on their hands. i'm not one of them :d |
| 23:17.21 | Leeds | I visit sometimes |
| 23:17.42 | Leeds | games are for people who make time to have fun |
| 23:17.57 | new2unix | ibot whatis games |
| 23:17.58 | | new2unix: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 23:18.16 | Leeds | new2unix: just use "ibot <string>" without the whatis |
| 23:18.18 | new2unix | see, even ibot doesnt play games. hehe |
| 23:18.24 | Leeds | ibot sing |
| 23:18.25 | | ACTION sings loudly |
| 23:18.29 | Leeds | ibot dance |
| 23:18.29 | | ACTION does a disco dance. |
| 23:18.43 | Leeds | he may not play games, but he does like a song and dance... |
| 23:18.44 | new2unix | ibot winex |
| 23:18.45 | | new2unix: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 23:18.49 | Leeds | ibot botsnack |
| 23:18.49 | | aw, gee, Leeds |
| 23:18.53 | new2unix | thats harsh |
| 23:19.04 | Leeds | ibot new2unix |
| 23:19.04 | | it has been said that new2unix is new to unix :), or new2linux |
| 23:20.38 | Leeds | Clyphox: I believe the answer to your question is: no |
| 23:22.47 | Clyphox | Leeds: hehe I guessed :-) |
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| 23:30.30 | new2unix | dankolb: we're meeting tomorrow, right? |
| 23:30.52 | dankolb | Yeah. |
| 23:31.00 | dankolb | In some cafe above Euston Square station |
| 23:32.24 | new2unix | i dunno where that is. i travel by bus only. i'll be at the venue for 6:30pm |
| 23:32.40 | new2unix | thats is the time, right? |
| 23:35.06 | Clyphox | nn ppl.. can't get winex tonight so I'm gonna sleep.. |
| 23:35.11 | Clyphox | ttl |
| 23:35.19 | dankolb | Doors open 7.15, I think |
| 23:35.29 | dankolb | nn Clyphox |
| 23:37.06 | Leeds | what are you guys going to? |
| 23:37.12 | new2unix | cool. i'll be there for 6:45 then :) |
| 23:37.52 | dankolb | Okay :) |
| 23:38.03 | dankolb | Leeds: Can't quite remember. The recording of some new radio comedy |
| 23:38.36 | Leeds | cool |
| 23:38.49 | Leeds | why no invite??? huh???? :- |
| 23:39.42 | Leeds | quote from a rabbi I know, talking about sheep eating his apple trees: "I would like to chase them into the traffic but the headline in the JC would not be good." |
| 23:40.01 | Leeds | the JC is the Jewish Chronicle - the main UK Jewish newspaper |
| 23:40.11 | Leeds | he's featured in there before... |
| 23:45.25 | Xiaoqi | hello and goodbye - i sleep now... |
| 23:45.28 | murb | Leeds: and you won't be able to eat the road kill either. |
| 23:45.46 | Leeds | not unless the drivers are very very careful :-) |
| 23:46.38 | Leeds | fucking bloody bastard evil shitty qmail |
| 23:46.52 | Leeds | or to put it another way... |
| 23:47.29 | Leeds | fucking shitty programs which think anything called sendmail should be sendmail - and fucking shitty sendmail for being such a bloody standard that everything expects it to be implemented |
| 23:54.02 | Leeds | wahey - mail loop |
| 23:57.08 | murb | Leeds: atleast it isn't a netscreen vpn box. |
| 23:57.18 | Leeds | nope |
| 23:57.21 | Leeds | what's one of them then? |
| 23:58.15 | murb | a horrible firewall applicance box |
| 23:58.55 | Leeds | sounds like fun at 1am |
| 23:58.57 | murb | oh and do you know if there are any command line tools for lisening to realaudio streams? |
| 23:59.15 | murb | I've got to go to colchester to do horrible nt iis coldfusion sql stuff tomorrow :( |
| 23:59.26 | murb | s/morrow/day/ |
| 23:59.54 | Leeds | now it's fucking perl |
| 23:59.57 | Leeds | yes... trplayer |