irclog2html for #gllug on 20030510

`00:22.28`	`*** join/#gllug resuDaed (~tom@80-192-106-227.cable.ubr01.en.blueyonder.co.uk)`
`00:22.36`	`resuDaed`	`anyone online?`
`00:22.43`	`resuDaed`	`(with a little iptables knowledge)`
`00:44.04`	`murb`	`sort of`
`00:44.08`	`murb`	`I've just got my adsl working`
`00:54.26`	`JD`	`hi all`
`00:55.36`	`JD`	`esp when you don't smoke :(`
`00:55.40`	`JD`	`girl`
`00:57.01`	`JD`	`resuDaed: you awake?`
`02:15.00`	`*** join/#gllug eye69 (magnus@ipv6.upcore.net)`
`02:51.03`	`*** join/#gllug eye69 (~magnus@ipv6.upcore.net)`
`07:24.45`	`Clyphox`	`I've been banned from google!`
`07:27.29`	`Jenson\|Sleep`	`porn?`
`07:28.47`	`Clyphox`	`nope.. I think maybe someone (whom I gave a shell account too) might be a naught boy`
`07:28.57`	`A4266\|Jenson`	`lol`
`07:29.35`	`A4266\|Jenson`	`yeh, but how naughty do you have to be to get banned?`
`07:50.34`	`Clyphox`	`no idea`
`07:50.49`	`Clyphox`	`I assume he might have tried to DOS them maybe?`
`08:08.21`	`Clyphox`	`bloody sgi ftp is down.`
`08:08.44`	`Clyphox`	`Anyone know a mirror for the sgi XFS linux kernel patches? I can't even google!`
`08:09.31`	`Jenson`	`shall I google for you? or ask ibot to goolge, and go check your txt msgs`
`08:11.55`	`Clyphox`	`I found the sgi's ftp but I need a mirror`
`08:12.12`	`Clyphox`	`I've got the guys on #sourcemage working for me anyhow :-) thanks tho`
`08:12.23`	`Jenson`	`cool`
`08:12.36`	`Jenson`	`how are you anyway?`
`08:12.40`	`Clyphox`	`Have a look : http://195.137.107.7`
`08:12.58`	`Clyphox`	`me? I'm well <grin>`
`08:14.03`	`A4266`	`how's nikki?`
`08:14.21`	`Clyphox`	`ok I think.. dunno`
`08:14.22`	`Jenson`	`lol wrong one`
`08:14.29`	`Jenson`	`is she asleep?`
`08:15.06`	`Clyphox`	`yup`
`08:15.23`	`Jenson`	`awww sweet`
`08:15.47`	`Jenson`	`me and al have been reading about star trek lol`
`08:17.34`	`Clyphox`	`hehe.. if it lights your candle :-)`
`08:17.53`	`Jenson`	`lol`
`08:18.21`	`Jenson`	`we were arguing over whether an TOS ep was called Amok Time, or Amok In Time, and I was right lol`
`08:18.39`	`A4266`	`Clyphox: Why you up so early bru?`
`08:24.14`	`Clyphox`	`Couldn't sleep.. need to work`
`08:24.48`	`Jenson`	`i see`
`08:26.45`	`Clyphox`	`Gotta go offline`
`08:26.50`	`Jenson`	`seeya`
`08:27.20`	`Clyphox`	`Gotta recompile a kernel..`
`08:27.26`	`Clyphox`	`actually.. no.. I can do it here..`
`08:27.40`	`Jenson`	`well me and al gotta get outta bed anyway`
`08:28.00`	`Clyphox`	`heh`
`08:33.26`	`JD`	`hi all`
`08:34.06`	`Tarragon`	`Morning JD`
`08:34.30`	`JD`	`Clyphox: as ibot`
`08:34.33`	`JD`	`ask`
`08:34.34`	`JD`	`even`
`08:34.39`	`JD`	`hi Tarragon`
`08:34.55`	`Clyphox`	`JD: yeah its ok now.. just using links from another IP`
`08:34.55`	`JD`	`did you see the interesting thing about the chairmans allowance yesterday?`
`08:35.33`	`Tarragon`	`Shampoo has a really bad effect on spiders`
`08:35.46`	`Jenson`	`hey JD`
`08:35.49`	`JD`	`Tarragon: like salt and snails?`
`08:36.08`	`Clyphox`	`hey Tarragon`
`08:37.31`	`Tarragon`	`Yes just a small drop of diluted shampoo makes them very ill`
`08:37.41`	`Clyphox`	`lovely`
`08:38.32`	`Tarragon`	`What is the Chairmans allowance?`
`08:39.19`	`JD`	`Tarragon: the parsih can give the chairman money to cover the cost of his duties`
`08:39.48`	`JD`	`and the money he spends is not auditted and he doesn;t have to tell anyone what he spend the money on`
`08:39.58`	`JD`	`this is not just my parish`
`08:40.01`	`JD`	`this is all councils`
`08:40.04`	`Tarragon`	`Like bus fare`
`08:40.17`	`JD`	`like an ISDN line?`
`08:40.38`	`JD`	`but according to the clerk he doesn;t do anything other than chair the meetings`
`08:40.46`	`Clyphox`	`Sounds like I wanna get on the council`
`08:41.53`	`JD`	`yep you could make a tidy profit`
`08:42.13`	`JD`	`Tarragon: would explain why we spent nearly 20k on general admin last year`
`08:42.23`	`Tarragon`	`So at your first meeting next week you are going to be innocent and ask the question`
`08:42.25`	`JD`	`about 30% of our budget`
`08:42.35`	`JD`	`oh many questions`
`08:43.13`	`JD`	`like why we were under budget last year by 10% and the council tax for the parish went up 10% this year`
`08:43.22`	`JD`	`what happende the the 7700 we didn;t send last year?`
`08:46.49`	`JD`	`lol`
`08:47.05`	`JD`	`scavenger hunt on /.`
`08:47.22`	`JD`	`explain string theory using sock puppets`
`08:47.35`	`JD`	`hologram of a team member`
`08:47.54`	`JD`	`a mobeius stripper`
`08:51.33`	`JD`	`Jenson: ross has lost his mobile`
`09:00.52`	`JD`	`so what we all doing today?`
`09:01.43`	`Clyphox`	`Sadly I think there is something wrong with my SMPor CPU's`
`09:08.11`	`*** join/#gllug Jenson (~jenson@64.246.28.105)`
`09:09.01`	`Jenson`	`heya Clyphox I'm at work with Al`
`09:09.16`	`JD`	`Jenson: thats for that`
`09:09.18`	`JD`	`thanks`
`09:09.23`	`Clyphox`	`yay`
`09:09.30`	`JD`	`Clyphox: sure come over and I'll get the drink`
`09:09.35`	`Jenson`	`yw JD`
`09:09.47`	`Clyphox`	`JD: cant you just dcc me some? I need it`
`09:10.19`	`JD`	`Clyphox: sorry I don't want to damage my laptop`
`09:10.32`	`JD`	`besides it doesn;t have a suitable hole`
`09:10.51`	`JD`	`and I don't think that the PCMCIA slot will likei`
`09:10.55`	`JD`	`t/12`
`09:11.00`	`JD`	`bugger`
`09:12.15`	`Clyphox`	`<away`
`09:30.42`	`Jenson\|DooM`	`lol`
`09:31.02`	`Jenson\|DooM`	`Actually its WolfenDooM....best game ever....built on the Wolf3D engine`
`09:31.08`	`Jenson\|DooM`	`www.areyep.com`
`09:49.28`	`JD`	`anoyone still here?`
`09:49.39`	`JD`	`or shall I attempt to do some hacking?`
`09:51.25`	`Jenson\|DooM`	`JD mate, have you got a copy of the full Doom1 WAD with you, me and Al have left ours at home`
`09:53.25`	`JD`	`no and even if I did I wouldn;t give it to you`
`09:54.03`	`Jenson\|DooM`	`I own it lol`
`09:54.05`	`Jenson\|DooM`	`its just at home`
`09:57.25`	`Jenson\|DooM`	`lol`
`10:42.15`	`*** join/#gllug SPQR (~a4266@194.106.34.53)`
`10:42.47`	`SPQR`	`hey all`
`10:43.20`	`Tarragon`	`hey back`
`10:45.43`	`SpudUAway`	`With or without the aid of beer?`
`10:45.56`	`Jenson\|DooM`	`hey SPQR`
`10:46.05`	`SPQR`	`can any1 help me mount a secoNd hd as extra space for an exsiting dir?`
`10:46.16`	`SPQR`	`Hey Beks :)`
`10:46.38`	`Jenson`	`nah SPQR but I can come over thre and make myself helpful if you want`
`10:46.52`	`SPQR`	`Jenson \| Wheres our lunch :P`
`10:46.58`	`SPQR`	`lol`
`10:47.18`	`Jenson`	`lol, i'll go when i'm ready`
`10:47.24`	`Jenson`	`dont make me come over there mister`
`10:47.49`	`SPQR`	`I should? ;)`
`10:47.59`	`SPQR`	`*shouldn't`
`10:48.05`	`Jenson`	`heh`
`10:48.15`	`JD`	`SPQR: without`
`10:48.26`	`JD`	`I haven't drunk beer in several weeks`
`10:48.59`	`SpudULike`	`Sticking to spirits, good move.`
`10:53.41`	`stephen`	`heh`
`10:56.51`	`Jenson`	`ah theres a scary dog in the middle of the screen`
`10:57.02`	`JD`	`spriits don't seem to give me hangovers`
`10:57.02`	`Jenson`	`oh its the incredimail doggy`
`10:57.16`	`JD`	`incredimail is a very bad program`
`10:57.25`	`JD`	`it can't even do imap`
`10:57.35`	`SpudULike`	`You have to stop drinking them to get the hangover.`
`10:57.37`	`Jenson`	`i hate it`
`10:57.43`	`Jenson`	`its Alex and his work mate that are usingnit`
`10:57.51`	`Jenson`	`im just here to be a destraction`
`10:59.09`	`JD`	`SPQR: ah right`
`10:59.14`	`JD`	`that is where I'm going wrong`
`10:59.23`	`JD`	`Jenson: you are doing a good job`
`10:59.46`	`SpudULike`	`AutoNick tab completion is a killer, in'it.`
`11:01.08`	`JD`	`SpudULike: er yeah`
`11:01.11`	`stephen`	`<PROTECTED>`
`11:01.19`	`*** join/#gllug jenson (~jenson@64.246.28.105)`
`11:01.28`	`JD`	`took me a second to work out what you were talking about until I noticed I was about ot do it again`
`11:04.18`	`SpudULike`	`I agree, SPQR what are you going to change to?`
`11:04.23`	`SpudULike`	`;-)`
`11:04.47`	`jenson`	`he's busy being useful`
`11:05.02`	`jenson`	`i'll change it for him see if he notices`
`11:05.05`	`SpudULike`	`Surely tab completion should present us with options.`
`11:05.22`	`Stephen`	`it does under xchat`
`11:05.39`	`Neo`	`yeh it dows`
`11:05.41`	`SpudULike`	`Oh, yeah.`
`11:05.48`	`Neo`	`damn this keyboard`
`11:15.01`	`Clyphox`	`Howzit`
`11:15.13`	`jenson`	`hyea Clyphox`
`11:16.19`	`Clyphox`	`jenson: Moo :-)`
`11:16.30`	`*** join/#gllug skugg (~stig@braut.plus.com)`
`11:16.44`	`JD`	`Clyphox: F&M again/`
`11:17.04`	`skugg`	`hi people :)`
`11:17.12`	`jenson`	`heya skugg`
`11:17.29`	`Clyphox`	`JD: F&M ?`
`11:17.40`	`Clyphox`	`Hi skugg`
`11:18.49`	`JD`	`Clyphox: lets not go through this one again`
`11:19.40`	`jenson`	`[#gllug]`
`11:21.48`	`JD`	`19:10 < JD> Clyphox: F&M again?`
`11:21.49`	`JD`	`19:10 < Xiaoqi> Clyphox: what's F&M?`
`11:21.49`	`JD`	`19:12 < JD> foot & mouth`
`11:21.49`	`JD`	`19:12 < Xiaoqi> ah`
`11:21.57`	`SPQR`	`msg Clyphox I'm having probs etracting screen :/`
`11:22.07`	`jenson`	`lol SPQR learn to type`
`11:22.38`	`SPQR`	`ahhh fsck`
`11:22.44`	`Clyphox`	`SPQR: huh? root@hostname:~# installpkg /home/control/screen.tgz`
`11:22.53`	`JD`	`just e thankful it wasn't embarrassing`
`11:23.31`	`JD`	`I find a /msg foo ping followed by changing to that window is much safer`
`11:26.50`	`SpudULike`	`Would you describe Konquerer 3.0.4 as 'standards compliant'?`
`11:27.33`	`skugg`	`i usually just change to the status window... that way there's no channel to send to :)`
`11:27.58`	`jenson`	`skugg: i tend to leave it on the status window so i dont miss new msgs on any other tabs`
`11:28.10`	`jenson`	`I used to make a mess of BitchX but irssi I'm better at`
`11:28.18`	`skugg`	`irssi is gooood.`
`11:28.19`	`jenson`	`and I use Xchat when I'm not sshing anyway`
`11:28.29`	`Clyphox`	`SPQR: there are standards!!?`
`11:28.54`	`SpudULike`	`Clyphox: According to www.game.uk.com`
`11:29.16`	`skugg`	`somebody send an interesting mail to gllug. I'm bored.`
`11:29.25`	`skugg`	`actually, i should do coursework...`
`11:29.41`	`skugg`	`and wash clothes...`
`11:29.48`	`Clyphox`	`er SPQR=SpudULike`
`11:30.12`	`jenson`	`SPQR: change your nick, you're cnsfusing evryone with their autocomplete`
`11:30.23`	`SpudULike`	`Clyphox: 'tis alright, it's a conspiracy!`
`11:31.12`	`SPQR`	`}->`
`11:31.20`	`jenson`	`lol SpudULike your mad`
`11:31.35`	`jenson`	`I'll go and hit SPQR for you if you want`
`11:32.53`	`JD`	`SpudULike: pretty darn close. why?`
`11:33.08`	`*** join/#gllug armijn (~armijn@losser.st-lab.cs.uu.nl)`
`11:33.13`	`jenson`	`heya armijn`
`11:33.23`	`armijn`	`'lo.`
`11:36.48`	`armijn`	`sigh, I should set up LDAP-SSL on one of my lab machines, but I think I'll do that monday or so...`
`11:37.09`	`armijn`	`don't want to work too hard during the weekend`
`11:37.34`	`JD`	`fuck shit bollocks`
`11:37.44`	`JD`	`I have an OU lecture on 17th May`
`11:38.20`	`jenson`	`awwwwww`
`11:38.46`	`JD`	`finishes at 4:00 so I could still get down for the pub thing`
`11:39.00`	`jenson`	`good idea`
`11:39.08`	`JD`	`plus I'll be on the bedford line so I'll be able to come back with Spypigeon`
`11:39.19`	`JD`	`assuming he goes`
`11:39.56`	`jenson`	`yeh, have to ask him`
`11:40.33`	`SpudULike`	`What film are we going to go and see in the evening?`
`11:40.54`	`JD`	`too early to matrix`
`11:41.00`	`JD`	`too late for X2`
`11:41.12`	`jenson`	`X2 is good`
`11:41.17`	`SpudULike`	`Err, I've not seen X2!`
`11:41.20`	`JD`	`kinda leave olsd school and a few others`
`11:41.26`	`SpudULike`	`Then I've not seen X1 either.`
`11:41.31`	`JD`	`well go and see it then`
`11:41.35`	`jenson`	`I havent seen X1`
`11:41.47`	`jenson`	`I have to watch the Matrix before the Matrix reloaded comes out`
`11:42.11`	`JD`	`you don't have long`
`11:42.22`	`jenson`	`yeh i know`
`11:42.31`	`jenson`	`dunno when im gonna go see the matrix reloaded rthough`
`11:42.58`	`armijn`	`I'll wait until the hype is over a bit...`
`11:43.01`	`Clyphox`	`ay`
`11:43.07`	`Clyphox`	`Wish I had cash hehe`
`11:43.12`	`SPQR`	`heh`
`11:43.15`	`armijn`	`so there aren't too many people in the cinema when I want to see it`
`11:43.28`	`jenson`	`SPQR: You forgot to say you're going dressed as Neo`
`11:43.31`	`armijn`	`people with popcorn, mobile phones and braindead conversations`
`11:43.33`	`JD`	`armijn: go during the day`
`11:44.07`	`armijn`	`heh, yeah, maybe I should`
`11:44.28`	`armijn`	`preferably when it's sunny outside...`
`11:45.22`	`jenson`	`really armijn a geek that likes sunlight`
`11:45.37`	`armijn`	`jenson: I like Suns...`
`11:46.11`	`JD`	`tabloid rubbish`
`11:46.40`	`armijn`	`hmm, should e-mail UKUUG office...`
`11:46.48`	`Tarragon`	`I don't like the sun!`
`11:47.55`	`armijn`	`sun, the tabloid, Sun, the computer company or the sun, that thing in the sky?`
`11:50.59`	`jenson`	`all of them`
`11:51.30`	`armijn`	`hrmpf, what's wrong with Sun?`
`11:51.59`	`JD`	`tabloid rubbish`
`11:52.17`	`armijn`	`no! the computer company!`
`11:52.20`	`armijn`	`argh :)`
`11:55.34`	`jenson`	`the newspaprer can be funny too`
`11:56.23`	`armijn`	`with their Euro bashing`
`11:56.26`	`armijn`	`no thanks`
`11:56.55`	`JD`	`jenson: nope tabliod murdock right-wing trash`
`11:58.57`	`jenson`	`oops lol`
`11:59.00`	`jenson`	`damn caps`
`11:59.06`	`armijn`	`t oo much caffein?`
`11:59.18`	`jenson`	`JD: I have some nationalist tndancies at times....however i am not anti europe`
`11:59.24`	`JD`	`too few years`
`11:59.38`	`JD`	`jenson: I know you told me`
`11:59.54`	`jenson`	`JD: Did I, I wasnt looking at porn a minute ago`
`12:00.03`	`jenson`	`Downloading loads of porn to his bosses computer lol`
`12:00.07`	`jenson`	`Gotta remember to delete it`
`12:00.15`	`jenson`	`I'm not a nationalist`
`12:00.21`	`Clyphox`	`nah vince downloads pron too`
`12:00.29`	`jenson`	`Clyphox: its Pauls pc`
`12:00.45`	`Clyphox`	`so does Paul`
`12:00.50`	`jenson`	`oh good`
`12:00.59`	`jenson`	`I'll leaVE IT ON HERE THEN`
`12:02.32`	`armijn`	`silly pr0n-downloading-caps-lock-pressing girl...`
`12:02.38`	`jenson`	`its coz it aint my fscking k/b`
`12:02.56`	`armijn`	`that's why you're downloading pr0n?`
`12:03.04`	`armijn`	`because it's not your keyboard?`
`12:03.34`	`jenson`	`nah thats why i cant type`
`12:03.48`	`jenson`	`i'm d/ling pr0n coz im too lazy to play DooM or something`
`12:04.23`	`Clyphox`	`Thats nice`
`12:04.52`	`armijn`	`jenson: why not read manpages instead? you'll learn something too`
`12:05.14`	`JD`	`nah that would involve patience`
`12:07.30`	`armijn`	`but it would bring enlightenment`
`12:07.42`	`JD`	`yes`
`12:08.08`	`JD`	`but does jenson want the latter and does she have the former?`
`12:10.17`	`armijn`	`dunno`
`12:10.54`	`jenson`	`pr0n is scary, and the customers keep walking in lol`
`12:11.37`	`Clyphox`	`do we have to know?`
`12:11.44`	`JD`	`maybe you should stop then before you commit an offense`
`12:12.24`	`jenson`	`no Clyphox you dont`
`12:13.23`	`Clyphox`	`JD: whats the syntax ?`
`12:13.33`	`jenson`	`ive got bored of that now, maybe i will play DooM its more fun anyway`
`12:13.48`	`jenson`	`erm /ignore jenson all I think`
`12:13.49`	`JD`	`/ignore jenson`
`12:14.07`	`Clyphox`	`maybe I'm going to scratch me nose`
`12:14.58`	`skugg`	`you animal.`
`12:15.01`	`SpudUAway`	`Things to do, you know!`
`12:15.33`	`Clyphox`	`I'm still banned from google :-(`
`12:18.09`	`SPQR`	`do ya know who it was that might have got ya banned?`
`12:18.17`	`JD`	`ibot google for being banned from google`
`12:19.02`	`skugg`	`Clyphox, what do you mean by "banned from google"? better half banning you, or google actually banning you?`
`12:20.33`	`Clyphox`	`skugg: this is what I get http://195.137.107.7`
`12:20.36`	`JD`	`and banned from searching or beng listed?`
`12:21.12`	`Clyphox`	`i've had no reply to my email yet.`
`12:21.23`	`Clyphox`	`Cool eh?`
`12:23.10`	`skugg`	`Clyphox, ouch. that doesn't sound good.`
`12:24.26`	`Clyphox`	`yeah.. so so weird..`
`12:24.33`	`armijn`	`heh, tuesday I will finally have my first CD player...as in, audio CDs...`
`12:24.56`	`Clyphox`	`old hat`
`12:25.42`	`JD`	`Clyphox: have you seen my cd player?`
`12:25.48`	`JD`	`it is dinky`
`12:26.09`	`Clyphox`	`my mp3 player is 4 years old and smaller`
`12:27.08`	`armijn`	`my CD player will also be able to do mp3 and wma`
`12:28.14`	`JD`	`evil`
`12:28.16`	`Clyphox`	`Ahh now that is ok :-)`
`12:28.23`	`armijn`	`finally I can listen to all my wma files...`
`12:28.46`	`Clyphox`	`ack`
`12:29.13`	`armijn`	`> find . -name "*.wma" -print`
`12:29.14`	`armijn`	`>`
`12:29.16`	`armijn`	`hmm...`
`12:29.54`	`armijn`	`I could have taken the model that just does mp3 and audio CDs, but thisone has a longer battery life time`
`12:30.39`	`JD`	`I brought mine just before fosdem and I've only replaced the batteries twice`
`12:30.47`	`JD`	`I use the thing a lot`
`12:33.24`	`Clyphox`	`I recharge all my batteries.. admitadly my crummy mp3 player sucks like an electrolux`
`12:42.10`	`SPQR`	`you'll get fatter :P`
`12:44.57`	`armijn`	`I'll have to convert all my audio CDs to MP3s then as well...`
`12:46.54`	`skugg`	`wrong.`
`12:46.59`	`skugg`	`.ogg ;)`
`12:47.25`	`armijn`	`cd player only does mp3 and wma, not ogg...`
`12:47.37`	`skugg`	`oh.`
`12:47.40`	`skugg`	`sorry.`
`12:48.21`	`armijn`	`there aren't that many hardware ogg portables`
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`13:07.59`	`armijn`	`hi Leeds`
`13:08.07`	`Leeds`	`prove it!`
`13:08.08`	`Clyphox`	`salutes`
`13:08.25`	`Leeds`	`waves`
`13:08.43`	`Clyphox`	`Leeds: Guese who got banned from google <grin> ?`
`13:08.50`	`Leeds`	`from google???`
`13:09.03`	`Leeds`	`how the fsck do you get banned from google?`
`13:09.17`	`Clyphox`	`Leeds: you tell me :-)`
`13:09.19`	`Leeds`	`overusing the API?`
`13:09.27`	`Clyphox`	`Leeds: http into my IP and see :-)`
`13:10.16`	`Leeds`	`so what's it meant to do?`
`13:10.20`	`Clyphox`	`I've emailed them but they havn't replied yet :-)`
`13:10.30`	`Clyphox`	`I have NO idea..`
`13:10.42`	`Leeds`	`oh, wait...`
`13:10.52`	`Leeds`	`that's just a copy of the page you get when you try to search?`
`13:11.09`	`Leeds`	`I thought your IP had a redirect to a google search, and they'd blocked that`
`13:11.09`	`Clyphox`	`yeah`
`13:11.14`	`Clyphox`	`Nah..`
`13:11.42`	`Leeds`	`ibot google for xfs linux`
`13:11.50`	`Leeds`	`there you go :-)`
`13:12.17`	`Clyphox`	`hehe got the patch thanks..`
`13:17.59`	`armijn`	`leeds: is it easy to get Linux on an i-Paq? How much chance to screw up?`
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`13:26.58`	`Clyphox`	`armijn: I'm assuming by the ammount of time that linux has been available for the ipaq that it is quite mature and safe now`
`13:27.19`	`Clyphox`	`Mind you ir sensors still isn't safe for my Thinkpad hehe`
`13:27.26`	`Clyphox`	`er lm`
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`13:28.26`	`armijn`	`don't know if I should go for PDA or digital camera`
`13:29.01`	`Leeds`	`armijn: it's pretty hard to screw up nowadays... you'd probably have to try to mess things up`
`13:29.12`	`jenson`	`armijn: which do you like more?`
`13:29.40`	`Leeds`	`also depends on which iPAQ as to how stable things are`
`13:29.46`	`armijn`	`jenson: I don't know...actually, I don't have that much use for a PDA...`
`13:30.00`	`armijn`	`but digital cameras are becoming cheaper and cheaper everyday`
`13:30.09`	`Leeds`	`armijn: for me, it's more of a micro-laptop/ogg/mp3/e-book player`
`13:30.18`	`jenson`	`i want digital camera, but i dont need one`
`13:30.33`	`armijn`	`well, I've got a Jornada, but Linux nor NetBSD runs on it right now`
`13:31.31`	`Leeds`	`the two great things for me about a digital camera... are the huge amount of pictures you can take (I've got a 256Mb card, and pictures are 1Mb each at top quality) and the fact that there's no developing - means you can take loads of piccies and if you're organised enough, you can just delete the ones you don't want`
`13:31.45`	`Clyphox`	`I want a iPAQ so I can put my tabs on it`
`13:32.01`	`Leeds`	`tabs? guitar?`
`13:32.05`	`Clyphox`	`ya`
`13:32.06`	`armijn`	`a digital camera would be fun at festivals`
`13:32.21`	`Clyphox`	`yeah :-)`
`13:32.51`	`Clyphox`	`If you had usb server in a ipaq you could just stick a webcam on it heehee`
`13:32.55`	`armijn`	`unless it rains of course`
`13:33.05`	`armijn`	`or people start throwing beer`
`13:33.29`	`Leeds`	`Clyphox: there is a CF USB master card... driver is under development`
`13:33.48`	`Clyphox`	`Leeds: yeah you said :-)`
`13:34.05`	`Leeds`	`I don't know that anyone has actually got it working yet`
`13:35.24`	`Clyphox-away`	`good show`
`13:36.08`	`Leeds`	`indeed`
`13:37.51`	`armijn`	`I replaced a few machines in my lab last week and stripped the old ones...`
`13:37.56`	`armijn`	`one of them had a DVD-RAM player`
`13:38.10`	`Leeds`	`is that different from DVD?`
`13:38.48`	`armijn`	`at least different from DVD-R(W) and DVD+R(W), because you apparently need some caddy for the discs`
`13:39.26`	`armijn`	`I'll give it a shot with the Solaris 9 stuff`
`13:41.40`	`Leeds`	`ibot tell jenson about sleep`
`13:45.28`	`jenson`	`lol`
`13:49.20`	`armijn`	`argh! I forgot to plug in a network cable in one of my machines in the lab...`
`13:49.37`	`JD`	`back`
`13:50.11`	`armijn`	`or it's plugged in and OpenBSD is doing evil things again`
`13:50.16`	`JD`	`did you get slapped?`
`13:50.27`	`JD`	`that is probably more likely`
`13:51.09`	`armijn`	`yes, it's OpenBSD doing funny things`
`13:53.09`	`armijn`	`and Solaris 8/x86 is also not doing what I want`
`13:53.18`	`armijn`	`sigh, it's weekend, I'll leave it for next week`
`13:53.51`	`Clyphox-away`	`Hell I do this kinda crap on the weekend cause I can't in the week hehe`
`13:57.52`	`armijn`	`I did WinXP installs this week, so...`
`14:09.57`	`jenson`	`gotta go now`
`14:09.59`	`jenson`	`BBL`
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`14:36.39`	`Tarragon`	`Afternoon`
`14:37.58`	`LGeezer`	`watcha`
`14:40.26`	`Tarragon`	`Why it is the middle of the day?`
`14:40.34`	`JD`	`i know`
`14:40.57`	`JD`	`I didn't get much sleep last night`
`14:41.25`	`JD`	`got home about 2 and was on irc for about 1hour`
`14:41.44`	`JD`	`and then my alarm went off at 8:00`
`14:41.57`	`JD`	`barstard thing`
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`15:01.29`	`Clyphox`	`Can any of you guys google using links?`
`15:02.27`	`resuDaed`	`yeah`
`15:02.29`	`Xiaoqi`	`hi everyone`
`15:03.21`	`Clyphox`	`Hi Tom`
`15:03.30`	`Clyphox`	`resuDaed: Did you actually search?`
`15:03.38`	`resuDaed`	`Clyphox : yeah`
`15:03.59`	`Clyphox`	`resuDaed: what vestion is it?`
`15:04.19`	`resuDaed`	`ah, no I can't I was able to last week though`
`15:04.29`	`LGeezer`	`I can even google using lynx :-)`
`15:04.51`	`Clyphox`	`LGeezer: try`
`15:05.13`	`LGeezer`	`just did`
`15:06.13`	`LGeezer`	`v 2.85dev.8 from 28 5 2002`
`15:06.19`	`LGeezer`	`works just fine`
`15:06.39`	`Clyphox`	`resuDaed: you definatly can't?`
`15:06.58`	`resuDaed`	`Forbidden`
`15:07.10`	`Clyphox`	`thats the one`
`15:07.23`	`Xiaoqi`	`sounds like google has had something jammed up its' arse`
`15:07.51`	`Xiaoqi`	`it's usually really useful but is being grouchy today`
`15:07.57`	`LGeezer`	`I must be missing something -- it works just fine here`
`15:08.23`	`Xiaoqi`	`it worked for me too, and technically Clyphox and i are using the same thing`
`15:08.38`	`LGeezer`	`yet you guys get a 404?`
`15:08.45`	`Clyphox`	`Xiaoqi: you used phoenix I think`
`15:08.58`	`resuDaed`	`I got a forbidden error message`
`15:09.00`	`Xiaoqi`	`i can try on links if u want`
`15:09.04`	`Clyphox`	`LGeezer: no.. look at http://195.137.107.7`
`15:09.15`	`Clyphox`	`Xiaoqi: please`
`15:09.20`	`LGeezer`	`<looks>`
`15:10.43`	`Xiaoqi`	`ok, doesn't work kn links here either`
`15:10.55`	`Jenson`	`BRB BitchX is evil`
`15:11.00`	`Xiaoqi`	`how ocnfusing`
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`15:11.53`	`LGeezer`	`alright -- that someone else's picture of the error, right? not actually google's IP`
`15:12.21`	`Xiaoqi`	`i think so`
`15:12.44`	`Clyphox`	`LGeezer: thats what I saved when I got the error`
`15:12.55`	`LGeezer`	`only the whois is registered to St Albans, England :-)`
`15:13.05`	`LGeezer`	`Clyphox: right`
`15:13.12`	`LGeezer`	`<tries the request>`
`15:13.35`	`Xiaoqi`	`hi jenson`
`15:13.58`	`LGeezer`	`that works too. maybe they just don't like your IP address`
`15:14.52`	`jenson`	`hey nikki`
`15:15.03`	`Xiaoqi`	`jenson: hows u today?`
`15:15.09`	`jenson`	`alright. you`
`15:15.12`	`Clyphox`	`LGeezer: I've asked lotsa ppl.. you're the only one with luck`
`15:15.25`	`Clyphox`	`LGeezer: you are talking of links.. not lynx ?`
`15:15.31`	`Xiaoqi`	`ok - had a lecture this morning though`
`15:16.09`	`Xiaoqi`	`jenson: now sitting in bed eating cheese and pate - hectic really ;-p`
`15:16.30`	`LGeezer`	`um ... konq, moz, lynx`
`15:16.45`	`LGeezer`	`'links'?`
`15:16.53`	`jenson`	`Xiaoqi: When I asked David how you were this morning he didnt know coz you were asleep :P`
`15:16.54`	`LGeezer`	`not just a cute spelling of lynx?`
`15:17.28`	`LGeezer`	`tchoh`
`15:17.34`	`LGeezer`	`links @ sourceforge`
`15:17.35`	`Clyphox`	`LGeezer: ahh no links is also text based browser.. renders much nicer than lynx`
`15:18.06`	`Clyphox`	`LGeezer: interactive too.. you can even still browse whilst downloading`
`15:18.07`	`Xiaoqi`	`jenson: thats because he got up at 6 and i only began moving after 10!`
`15:18.24`	`LGeezer`	`.98 or .99?`
`15:18.35`	`jenson`	`lol i forget when me and Al woke up`
`15:19.18`	`Xiaoqi`	`jenson: ah, you're round having fun again are you, or is he at yours this time?`
`15:19.19`	`Clyphox`	`What other browser ID's can I try?`
`15:19.43`	`resuDaed`	`Mozilla?`
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`15:20.01`	`jenson`	`Xiaoqi: I'm at his, coz he has ADSL and I have dial-up`
`15:20.36`	`resuDaed`	`doesn anyone know what HDSL is?`
`15:20.43`	`Xiaoqi`	`jenson: adsl is goood!!!`
`15:21.08`	`sash`	`ibot what is HDSL`
`15:21.08`		`sash: what are you talking about?`
`15:21.15`	`Clyphox`	`resuDaed: da`
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`15:21.20`	`murb`	`ok does anyone know about recovering lost hotmail account passwords?`
`15:21.35`	`Clyphox`	`murb: there was a program to do it iirc`
`15:21.36`	`resuDaed`	`ibot hdsl is High-bit-rate Digital Subscriber Line`
`15:21.37`		`resuDaed: okay`
`15:21.40`	`jenson`	`Xiaoqi: Better than chocolate and other things if you ask me`
`15:21.41`	`resuDaed`	`ibot hdsl`
`15:21.42`		`rumour has it, hdsl is High-bit-rate Digital Subscriber Line`
`15:21.44`	`Clyphox`	`murb: it cost tho`
`15:22.08`	`murb`	`Clyphox: hmm i think i'll hunt on this computer, unfrotunly the widow of the ex owner doesn't know the password.`
`15:22.18`	`Xiaoqi`	`!define hdsl`
`15:22.29`	`Clyphox`	`murb: yay.. I've been there..`
`15:22.38`	`Xiaoqi`	`sorry - thingee playing up`
`15:22.47`	`Clyphox`	`murb: you can get hotmail to change it if you email and bend over etc..`
`15:22.57`	`LGeezer`	`I'm using links .98, connect to google okay, trying search`
`15:23.14`	`LGeezer`	`ooh yes!`
`15:23.21`	`LGeezer`	`client doens't have permission`
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`15:24.00`	`Xiaoqi`	`jenson: you haven't been getting enough other things then... ;-p`
`15:24.12`	`jenson`	`wb zimm`
`15:24.16`	`Clyphox`	`LGeezer: my links version is: Links 2.1pre9 (btw)`
`15:24.23`	`jenson`	`yeh Xiaoqi i need more chocolate`
`15:24.23`	`zimm`	`ty j`
`15:24.24`	`LGeezer`	`k`
`15:24.44`	`resuDaed`	`I wonder if BT offer HDSL`
`15:24.50`	`Xiaoqi`	`jenson: get al to buy u some!`
`15:25.35`	`Clyphox`	`What makes it better than ADSL ?`
`15:25.39`	`jenson`	`Xiaoqi: He forced me to eat from burger king earlier, coz i hadnt eaten all day`
`15:26.02`	`resuDaed`	`Clyphox : no idea tbh`
`15:26.26`	`Xiaoqi`	`jenson: be glad he has the money to take you to burger king!`
`15:26.39`	`resuDaed`	`1544 Mb/s?`
`15:26.50`	`Xiaoqi`	`jenson: it's looking increasingly posh end expensive recently... hehe`
`15:27.04`	`resuDaed`	`(as opposed to 1544 MB/s, that'd be sweet)`
`15:27.10`	`jenson`	`i prefer mcdonalds`
`15:28.23`	`sash`	`Have you read Fast Food Nation?`
`15:28.27`	`Xiaoqi`	`jenson: i prefer bk. the portions r bigger`
`15:28.43`	`Xiaoqi`	`sash: no...`
`15:28.56`	`jenson`	`no sash. but i know all about ppl pissing in bugers`
`15:29.32`	`Xiaoqi`	`sash: and chicken's stomach ulcers being mistaken for mayonnaise`
`15:29.32`	`LGeezer`	`I read fast food nation`
`15:29.36`	`LGeezer`	`good book`
`15:29.47`	`LGeezer`	`feel sorry for the guy that clean out abbatoirs tho`
`15:30.18`	`sash`	`LGeezer: Do you remember Kenny's story?`
`15:30.32`	`LGeezer`	`remind me and I will`
`15:31.39`	`LGeezer`	`kenny dobbins?`
`15:31.52`	`LGeezer`	`yeah, thats the guy`
`15:32.01`	`LGeezer`	`did everything asked and more`
`15:32.17`	`LGeezer`	`and they diodn`
`15:32.23`	`LGeezer`	`t even telling he was sacked`
`15:32.29`	`Clyphox`	`resuDaed: what do they call the html thingee browsers use to ID themselves.. wasn't it just browser id??`
`15:32.37`	`sash`	`Uneducated six foot four bloke. Left abusive family. Went through a litany of accidents at the slaughterhouse. Saved a colleague's life, burnt lungs out hosing out abbatoirs with chlorine, was struck by slow train.`
`15:32.37`	`LGeezer`	`just bounced his mail`
`15:32.53`	`LGeezer`	`yeah, thats the guy`
`15:33.22`	`LGeezer`	`sad, sad story`
`15:33.30`	`LGeezer`	`if its the real story`
`15:33.58`	`sash`	`Xiaoqi & jenson: Do you know what is in fast food, leaving aside tampering?`
`15:34.39`	`Xiaoqi`	`sash: all the bits they wouldn't dare put in anything else`
`15:35.05`	`sash`	`Faeces too.`
`15:35.15`	`Xiaoqi`	`sash: wonderful`
`15:35.29`	`BorgBaby`	`sash: human or animal?`
`15:35.36`	`Xiaoqi`	`sash: which particular bit do they put it in?`
`15:35.46`	`sash`	`Hello Seamus.`
`15:35.51`	`BorgBaby`	`hello ;-)`
`15:36.09`	`BorgBaby`	`how's the ebay buying?`
`15:36.21`	`sash`	`It's not put in by human agency. It's a feature of slaughterhouse environments.`
`15:36.44`	`sash`	`BorgBaby: Animal`
`15:37.00`	`Xiaoqi`	`sash: strangely i'm not very worried - it hasn't killed me so far`
`15:37.00`	`BorgBaby`	`yeurgh (either way)`
`15:37.06`	`sash`	`BorgBaby: eBay addiction being curtailed.`
`15:37.15`	`BorgBaby`	`haha - good!`
`15:37.26`	`sash`	`Xiaoqi: Consider reading the book.`
`15:37.41`	`sash`	`BorgBaby: Occasional relapses.`
`15:37.43`	`Xiaoqi`	`sash: plus, i'm half scottish - they eat things like haggis and blood pudding thar i find more disgusting`
`15:37.54`	`LGeezer`	`highbury needs a faster line`
`15:38.28`	`sash`	`To keep up with ... Knoppix?`
`15:38.37`	`sash`	`:)`
`15:38.53`	`Xiaoqi`	`sash: mainly as you can;t delude yourself about what you're eating as you can with fast food`
`15:38.54`	`BorgBaby`	`sash : as you're an oracle guru, etc., - can I have a field in a database table that is basically an array ?`
`15:38.56`	`highbury`	`currently using my 115K line, still haven't got my 1M line working without crashing machine`
`15:39.00`	`highbury`	`Hi guys and Gals`
`15:39.06`	`Xiaoqi`	`hi highbury`
`15:41.45`	`sash`	`I'm not an Oracle guru! I believe so.`
`15:42.10`	`BorgBaby`	`any idea how ?`
`15:44.09`	`sash`	`BorgBaby: Have a look at http://gwynne.cs.ualberta.ca/~oracle/817doc/java.817/a83724/oraarr4.htm`
`15:45.04`	`BorgBaby`	`i will, ta`
`15:53.26`	`Tarragon`	`How do I change a single key. Press # and get \|`
`15:54.17`	`LGeezer`	`bind?`
`15:55.22`	`LGeezer`	`man bash for binding keys with bind`
`15:55.37`	`highbury`	`Tarragon: xmodmap`
`15:55.46`	`Tarragon`	`Reading it now`
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`17:48.51`	`armijn`	`re`
`17:51.02`	`Clyphox`	`Hey`
`17:51.19`	`armijn`	`ho`
`17:52.46`	`Clyphox`	`Anyone know a good console email client (preferably with color)`
`17:52.56`	`armijn`	`I'm very happy with mutt`
`17:53.31`	`Clyphox`	`Got colour?`
`17:53.41`	`armijn`	`"at first, it's a bit restrictive, but after a while, it becomes a part of you"</wayne's world>`
`17:53.52`	`Clyphox`	`heh`
`17:54.17`	`armijn`	`colours...I never use colours...`
`17:54.34`	`armijn`	`read the fine manual of mutt :)`
`17:56.44`	`Clyphox`	`heh.. gotta install it..`
`17:56.52`	`Clyphox`	`Can it index mails quickly?`
`17:57.09`	`armijn`	`ehr, in what respect?`
`17:57.27`	`armijn`	`it is pretty fast`
`17:57.35`	`Clyphox`	`how long does it take to show an index of 500 mails?`
`17:57.50`	`Clyphox`	`IE more than 10sec?`
`17:57.59`	`armijn`	`dunno, I don't have that little mails :)`
`17:58.11`	`Clyphox`	`(Smap`
`17:58.12`	`armijn`	`less than 10 seconds, definitely`
`17:58.29`	`Clyphox`	`I'm sure its a very good client.. highly popular`
`17:58.53`	`armijn`	`yeah, but please read the docs...I still gotta do that one day`
`17:59.39`	`Clyphox`	`DAMN!`
`17:59.49`	`armijn`	`not good?`
`17:59.50`	`Clyphox`	`find is SO damn quick`
`18:02.12`	`Clyphox`	`DAMN!`
`18:02.24`	`Clyphox`	`that took 12 seconds!`
`18:03.22`	`Jenson`	`Clyphox: you getting excited there geekboy?`
`18:03.34`	`armijn`	`oi! what's wrong with geekboys getting excited?`
`18:03.45`	`Jenson`	`nothing`
`18:03.59`	`armijn`	`exactly :)`
`18:04.17`	`Jenson`	`the geekguys in this house are outnumbered. Tom is about to go out and Alex is asleep, he looks so cute`
`18:04.39`	`armijn`	`take pictures`
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`18:04.57`	`Jenson`	`k then`
`18:05.04`	`Clyphox`	`42000 files!`
`18:06.18`	`armijn`	`it's nearly all in german...and my german language skills are very rusty`
`18:06.25`	`Xiaoqi`	`hihi all`
`18:06.30`	`Jenson`	`hey nikki`
`18:07.07`	`Xiaoqi`	`having a good evening?`
`18:07.20`	`Jenson`	`yeh, ircing, Al is asleep lol`
`18:07.43`	`armijn`	`and at the same time that LinuxTag is Motorhead will be playing at a festival in NL...`
`18:08.05`	`Xiaoqi`	`Jenson: worn him out again have you?`
`18:09.15`	`Clyphox`	`armijn: Go to Motorhead`
`18:09.38`	`BorgBaby`	`think I would`
`18:09.39`	`Jenson`	`Xiaoqi: seems like it, the icecream van just did its alarm call outside the window now`
`18:09.47`	`armijn`	`clyphox: I was thinking the same...even though I see Motorhead every year, sometimes twice a year`
`18:10.26`	`Xiaoqi`	`Jenson: its a miracle if he hasn't jumped up and run out to it`
`18:12.50`	`Jenson`	`Xiaoqi: lol, nah he's sleepy and looking gorgeous`
`18:13.31`	`armijn`	`jenson: what if he starts snoring...would he then still be gorgeous?`
`18:13.32`	`Xiaoqi`	`Jenson: hehe... just look after him. he needs pampering.`
`18:13.34`	`Clyphox`	`armijn: damn you!`
`18:13.59`	`armijn`	`clyphox: ehr, for what?`
`18:14.15`	`Clyphox`	`armijn: seeing Motorhead once a year :-(`
`18:14.27`	`Jenson`	`armijn: he is snoring lol`
`18:14.37`	`Xiaoqi`	`ibot: lart Clyphox`
`18:14.42`	`Jenson`	`Xiaoqi: awwww`
`18:14.51`	`armijn`	`clyphox: and lots of other bands as well...`
`18:15.10`	`Xiaoqi`	`Clyphox: stop sulking... you could do stuff to if you got out and did them`
`18:16.22`	`armijn`	`clyphox: if you live in/near London, there are usually good concerts in Astoria 1 and 2`
`18:17.34`	`Xiaoqi`	`armijn: clyphox and i live in aberdeen now`
`18:18.01`	`Jenson`	`Xiaoqi: where did u live before u went to aberdeen for uni`
`18:18.52`	`Xiaoqi`	`letchworth in hertfordshire`
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`18:19.20`	`Xiaoqi`	`well, actually the amount of time i spent with david i could have classed as living in enfield anyway`
`18:19.45`	`Jenson`	`lol`
`18:19.57`	`eric`	`Hi. Mind if I join in?`
`18:20.03`	`armijn`	`hmm, aberdeen...nope, that's not too close to London`
`18:20.04`	`Xiaoqi`	`not at all`
`18:20.20`	`Xiaoqi`	`its a matter of perspective really`
`18:20.32`	`armijn`	`it took a little while to find it on the map...until I realized it's in Scotland`
`18:20.36`	`Xiaoqi`	`600 miles can either be really near or really far`
`18:21.00`	`eric`	`Got a question. Any of you experts on Linux printing?`
`18:21.13`	`armijn`	`eric: depends`
`18:21.24`	`armijn`	`eric: I just install CUPS and it works :)`
`18:21.46`	`eric`	`My printer no longer works. I get an error message about the spool q not existing.`
`18:21.59`	`Jenson`	`eric: did you setup apsfilter?`
`18:22.03`	`armijn`	`eric: which printing system are you using?`
`18:22.28`	`armijn`	`eric: which distribution, etc.`
`18:22.28`	`eric`	`LPRng, I think. Tried to set up CUPS with no luck. What's apsfilter?`
`18:22.35`	`eric`	`Red Hat 7.3.`
`18:22.49`	`eric`	`Printer did work, for a few weeks. Its an HP PS 7550.`
`18:22.57`	`armijn`	`hmmkay...I'm not familiar with LPRng`
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`18:23.08`	`armijn`	`but I got a load of books I can look in :)`
`18:23.24`	`eric`	`I have the books too. Totally lost. Done printconf-gui a million times.`
`18:23.38`	`Clyphox`	`eric: install webmin`
`18:23.51`	`eric`	`Whats webmin?`
`18:25.04`	`armijn`	`eric: is it a network printer or is it locally attached?`
`18:25.31`	`eric`	`locally attached`
`18:26.43`	`armijn`	`eric: familiar with working with the prompt?`
`18:26.50`	`eric`	`I can do that, yes.`
`18:27.32`	`armijn`	`eric: look in /etc/printcap, see which spool directory the printer uses, then see if that directory exists (in /var/spool/lpd)`
`18:28.32`	`eric`	`Here's the line from printcap: :sd=/var/spool/lpd/hpps7550:\`
`18:28.49`	`eric`	`And that directory does exist.`
`18:29.45`	`armijn`	`hmm`
`18:30.08`	`eric`	`This has worked in the past, and crashed after the system was shut down.`
`18:30.32`	`eric`	`Giving me second thoughts about Linux for the destktop . . .`
`18:31.00`	`armijn`	`so it worked, the machine was rebooted and now it doesn't work`
`18:31.33`	`armijn`	`what does the :lp line in /etc/printcap say?`
`18:31.37`	`eric`	`Right. And of course I've been working on it ever since.`
`18:31.49`	`eric`	`:lp=/dev/usb/lp0:\`
`18:31.57`	`eric`	`It's a usb connection.`
`18:32.10`	`armijn`	`and that file exists in /dev?`
`18:32.42`	`eric`	`Yes`
`18:33.04`	`armijn`	`just eliminating all possibilities :)`
`18:33.10`	`eric`	`Thanks`
`18:33.23`	`armijn`	`have you tried printing as "root"?`
`18:33.38`	`eric`	`Give me a moment ...`
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`18:36.03`	`eric`	`Couldn't print as root.`
`18:36.22`	`armijn`	`does anything show up in the logs?`
`18:36.31`	`eric`	`Which log should I look at?`
`18:37.43`	`armijn`	`I think /var/log/messages`
`18:37.49`	`armijn`	`depends on how your stuff was configured`
`18:38.56`	`eric`	`No, nothing there since I last shut off the machine.`
`18:39.05`	`eric`	`The config would be whatever the redhat default is.`
`18:39.54`	`armijn`	`must be very frustrating that it doesn't work :(`
`18:40.02`	`armijn`	`right. what does "lpq" say?`
`18:40.03`	`eric`	`That's an understatement ...`
`18:40.39`	`eric`	`LPQ says spool queue does not exist on server and run checkpc`
`18:41.14`	`armijn`	`and of course, you did`
`18:41.34`	`eric`	`Many times`
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`18:43.12`	`armijn`	`eric: time to bring out "lpc" I think...`
`18:43.22`	`eric`	`ok, done it before but willing to try again ...`
`18:44.32`	`eric`	`Ready ...`
`18:45.18`	`armijn`	`eric: hmm, when you installed the printer, was it plug and play, or did you perhaps have to change some permissions somewhere?`
`18:45.48`	`eric`	`I think plug and play. Had to install HP driver. Everything worked for a while, but not xprint for mozilla.`
`18:47.35`	`armijn`	`the only thing I can really think of is a permission problem`
`18:47.56`	`eric`	`Got any ideas what the spool owner and permissions should be?`
`18:48.16`	`Clyphox`	`eric: typicly lp.lp`
`18:48.29`	`dankolb`	`Blah`
`18:48.53`	`Clyphox`	`re dankolb`
`18:49.08`	`eric`	`OK, owner is lp.lp.`
`18:49.28`	`armijn`	`heh, maybe it should be daemon.daemon :)`
`18:49.40`	`armijn`	`ah well, let's try this first`
`18:49.40`	`eric`	`It was in the past, could try that again.`
`18:49.48`	`armijn`	`ah, it was in th epast? before the reboot?`
`18:49.55`	`eric`	`No, earlier this evening ...`
`18:50.00`	`armijn`	`oh`
`18:50.16`	`armijn`	`eric: what are the permissions of /dev/usb/lp0?`
`18:50.45`	`eric`	`rw-rw----`
`18:51.57`	`armijn`	`what if...what if we changed that to full permissions for all...`
`18:52.46`	`eric`	`Did chmod 666 to lp0 - but lpq shows same error`
`18:53.01`	`armijn`	`ok.`
`18:53.17`	`armijn`	`and if we'd give full permissions to /var/spool/lpd and all the stuff that's below it?`
`18:54.44`	`eric`	`OK, everything is now chmoded to 777 -- and lpq shows same error message.`
`18:55.04`	`armijn`	`I assume the printer is on, etc. and working?`
`18:55.15`	`eric`	`Yes.`
`18:55.56`	`dankolb`	`And queueing enabled?`
`18:56.04`	`eric`	`How do I enable queueing?`
`18:56.11`	`Jenson`	`heya JD`
`18:56.12`	`dankolb`	`lpc`
`18:56.14`	`dankolb`	`lpc> enable all`
`18:56.16`	`dankolb`	`lpc> start all`
`18:56.25`	`Jenson`	`heya dan`
`18:56.28`	`armijn`	`shouldn't the startup scripts do that?`
`18:56.38`	`eric`	`Just enabled queueing. Same error message on lpq.`
`18:56.39`	`Jenson`	`fuck, thats it, i've had enough of win, i'll BBS`
`18:57.02`	`dankolb`	`What's the error message again?`
`18:57.16`	`JD`	`holy shit 4+hours asleep`
`18:57.48`	`eric`	`Spool queue for hpps7550 does not exist on server localhost.localdomain. Non existent printer oryou need to run checkpc -f`
`18:58.34`	`armijn`	`hmm, could it be the part that says "localhost.localdomain"?`
`18:58.44`	`armijn`	`that it tries to resolve that stuff, but can't find it?`
`18:58.44`	`eric`	`Don't know.`
`18:58.54`	`dankolb`	`ping localhost.localdomain`
`18:59.06`	`dankolb`	`Have you got a /var/spool/lpd/queuename directory?`
`18:59.15`	`armijn`	`dankolb: he's got all that`
`18:59.27`	`JD`	`what a waste of asaturday afternoon`
`18:59.30`	`eric`	`Ping worked to localhost.localdomain`
`18:59.34`	`dankolb`	`Hm`
`18:59.42`	`eric`	`Got the directory.`
`18:59.45`	`dankolb`	`Printing under Unix sucks`
`18:59.53`	`armijn`	`eric: worked, as in, you saw ping responses?`
`18:59.58`	`eric`	`dankolb: you're right.`
`19:00.06`	`eric`	`Saw ping responses,yes.`
`19:00.11`	`armijn`	`urgh`
`19:00.40`	`eric`	`I'm off for a few minutes. If anyone has a clue what to do, could you email me at ericlee@labourstart.org? Thanks.`
`19:00.41`	`armijn`	`eric: my advice, back up your stuff, install Red Hat 9 ;-)`
`19:00.48`	`eric`	`Thanks, armijn.`
`19:00.56`	`dankolb`	`eric: What're you using?`
`19:00.59`	`armijn`	`RH 7.3`
`19:01.01`	`dankolb`	`Ah`
`19:01.06`	`dankolb`	`Okay`
`19:01.18`	`armijn`	`RH 9 uses CUPS by default`
`19:01.25`	`BorgBaby`	`wb JD`
`19:01.38`	`dankolb`	`Bah. Cups.`
`19:01.46`	`armijn`	`well, it works nice for me`
`19:02.15`	`SpudUAway`	`dankolb: I got tickets through for Rigor Mortis for this Friday. You still want to come?`
`19:02.18`	`dankolb`	`IT works sometimes for us`
`19:02.30`	`dankolb`	`SpudUAway: Oooh. This Friday.....what time would the recording end?`
`19:02.38`	`dankolb`	`I need to get back home, and the last train is at 0010`
`19:03.24`	`armijn`	`dankolb: need to get back home, isn't there a pub where you can stay until first train?`
`19:03.32`	`SpudUAway`	`Oh, easy, no later than 9.30 at the very very worse.`
`19:03.33`	`armijn`	`ehr, oh, no...wait...UK...`
`19:03.34`	`dankolb`	`No`
`19:03.39`	`dankolb`	`SpudUAway: Ah, that's fine`
`19:03.42`	`dankolb`	`When does it start?`
`19:03.49`	`dankolb`	`And where? Shepherd's Bush?`
`19:04.27`	`SpudUAway`	`It's in the Drill Hall, near Tottenham Court Road. Need to be there from about 6.45. Recording starts at 7.30.`
`19:04.40`	`dankolb`	`Okay, so I should leave work bang on time`
`19:05.02`	`SpudUAway`	`Leave work hours early, why not1`
`19:05.58`	`dankolb`	`Why not indeed? :)`
`19:06.04`	`dankolb`	`I did it yesterday, to see X-Men`
`19:06.23`	`SpudUAway`	`Well do it again and set a trend!`
`19:06.33`	`dankolb`	`Yeah!`
`19:07.03`	`SpudUAway`	`That way, when you go early next time there is no reason for the powers to be to be surprised.`
`19:07.14`	`SpudUAway`	`Or pay you, indeed.`
`19:07.17`	`SpudUAway`	`;-)`
`19:07.18`	`dankolb`	`Yeah, well, sod them`
`19:07.37`	`JD`	`can people stop talking so fast I've just woken up`
`19:08.10`	`SpudUAway`	`I should have one or two spare tickets. anyone else want to join us?`
`19:08.12`	`dankolb`	`O-k-a-y. S-h-o-u-l-d w-e t-a-l-k s-l-o-w-l-y j-u-s-t f-o-r y-o-u?`
`19:09.29`	`JD`	`dankolb: slower please`
`19:09.33`	`SpudUAway`	`Spaces between words would be more of a help for me.`
`19:09.48`	`dankolb`	`Okay. Lots of spaces?`
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`19:20.27`	`Xiaoqi`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:29.40`	`zachary`	`who's alive?`
`19:29.51`	`new2unix\|away`	`Boo. am alive`
`19:30.00`	`armijn`	`depends on what you call "alive"`
`19:30.10`	`Xiaoqi`	`I'm sort of living dead`
`19:31.11`	`new2unix`	`SpudUAway: you still got those tickets?`
`19:31.58`	`SpudUAway`	`Yeah.`
`19:32.19`	`dankolb`	`SpudUAway: Where should I meet you on Friday?`
`19:33.44`	`SpudUAway`	`I am happy to meet you there.`
`19:34.14`	`dankolb`	`I'm not sure where 'there' is, which is the problem`
`19:34.15`	`new2unix`	`SpudUAway: can i join you guys there?`
`19:34.25`	`dankolb`	`Could I meet you at a tube station?`
`19:34.45`	`SpudUAway`	`OK, which way are you coming in?`
`19:35.12`	`dankolb`	`From Marylebone`
`19:38.13`	`SpudUAway`	`How about meeting in a pub?`
`19:38.35`	`armijn`	`heh, I love it when they play Rainbow on the radio...`
`19:38.39`	`armijn`	`Stargazer!`
`19:38.45`	`dankolb`	`Dunno - I'll be coming straight from work, so there might not be time for a drink first`
`19:38.54`	`dankolb`	`I have your phobile number anyway, I think`
`19:39.05`	`SpudUAway`	`You might not be.......`
`19:39.07`	`SpudUAway`	`;-)`
`19:39.27`	`dankolb`	`No no. This week I still will be`
`19:41.11`	`SpudUAway`	`I'm just thinking of somewhere where I can sit and wait, while I wait. Hence pub, or McD's, or similar.`
`19:41.18`	`dankolb`	`Fair enough`
`19:41.19`	`armijn`	`McDs! EEP!`
`19:41.31`	`armijn`	`+ screaming`
`19:41.33`	`dankolb`	`:)`
`19:42.54`	`new2unix`	`Have to go now: thanks SpudUAway for the ticket. dankolb, i'll see you there.`
`19:43.01`	`dankolb`	`See you there`
`19:43.12`	`dankolb`	`SpudUAway: Around which tube station is good to meet?`
`19:43.29`	`dankolb`	`Meet around, anyway`
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`19:47.49`	`JD-laptop`	`hi all`
`19:48.17`	`JD-laptop`	`all was fine and hten bam`
`19:48.20`	`JD-laptop`	`gone`
`19:48.27`	`JD-laptop`	`bloody ISP`
`19:48.36`	`JD-laptop`	`ibot: lart astra`
`19:49.17`	`JD-laptop`	`seems everyone else has gone quiet too`
`19:49.28`	`Xiaoqi`	`i'm still here`
`19:51.06`	`Xiaoqi`	`ibot: dance`
`19:51.06`		`"ah, ah, ah, ah, stayin' alive, stayin' alive"`
`19:51.14`	`Xiaoqi`	`ibot: dance`
`19:51.14`		`ACTION does a disco dance.`
`19:51.25`	`Xiaoqi`	`ibot: sing`
`19:51.26`		`"Night fever, night fever. You know how to do it!"`
`19:51.47`	`Xiaoqi`	`ibot: sing`
`19:51.48`		`ACTION sings off key`
`19:51.54`	`Xiaoqi`	`hehehe`
`19:52.39`	`Xiaoqi`	`ibot: lart windows`
`19:52.47`	`skugg`	`what a brainwashed slave.`
`19:52.50`	`skugg`	`:P`
`19:52.59`	`Xiaoqi`	`i'm bored - sorry`
`19:53.02`	`skugg`	`ibot, lart self`
`19:53.08`	`skugg`	`:D`
`19:53.14`	`Xiaoqi`	`hehehe`
`19:53.24`	`Xiaoqi`	`ibot: lart Xiaoqi`
`19:53.32`	`skugg`	`ouch.`
`19:53.55`	`Xiaoqi`	`yup... yesterday he stapled my foot to the floor`
`19:54.21`	`JD-laptop`	`ibot: lart Xiaoqi`
`19:54.27`	`JD-laptop`	`ibot: lart Xiaoqi`
`19:54.37`	`JD-laptop`	`ibot: sexist`
`19:54.38`		`JD-laptop: bugger all, i dunno`
`19:54.43`	`Xiaoqi`	`ibot: lart JD-laptop`
`19:54.51`	`Xiaoqi`	`ibot: lart JD-laptop`
`19:55.03`	`JD-laptop`	`114x42 atm`
`19:55.26`	`Xiaoqi`	`hehe`
`20:01.37`	`JD-laptop`	`can anyone traceroute 212.56.237.102 for me`
`20:01.46`	`JD-laptop`	`let me know the last address you get to`
`20:01.54`	`JD-laptop`	`ah fuck it`
`20:01.59`	`JD-laptop`	`it has just come back`
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`20:02.44`	`skugg_`	`10 bbi237-102.astra-net.com (212.56.237.102) 679.943 ms 712.105 ms 691.093 ms`
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`20:02.57`	`skugg_`	`that is _it_`
`20:03.15`	`JD-laptop`	`hi JD`
`20:03.33`	`JD`	`hi JD-laptop`
`20:03.44`	`JD-laptop`	`JD: good to see you back`
`20:03.53`	`JD`	`why thank you`
`20:04.04`	`JD`	`JD-laptop: how have you been`
`20:04.20`	`JD-laptop`	`JD: not too bad. feeling a bit groggy atm`
`20:04.32`	`JD`	`JD-laptop: really? me too`
`20:04.39`	`JD-laptop`	`JD: lol`
`20:05.06`	`armijn`	`is this what they call "split brain" in the HA world?`
`20:05.11`	`JD`	`bah what I tart`
`20:05.23`	`JD`	`I realy hate that guy`
`20:05.28`	`JD`	`I just pretent to be his friend`
`20:11.00`	`JD`	`/. sig: "Smoking helps you lose weight - one lung at a time" -- A. E. Neumann`
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`20:14.54`	`JD-laptop`	`they've done it again`
`20:15.00`	`skugg_`	`who?`
`20:15.07`	`JD-laptop`	`ISP`
`20:15.20`	`JD-laptop`	`JD is dead disconnected again`
`20:15.26`	`skugg_`	`i see.`
`20:18.48`	`JD-laptop`	`this is normally a decent link`
`20:19.02`	`JD-laptop`	`but we are getting too much disconnection`
`20:22.08`	`JD-laptop`	`skugg_: interesting quit message there`
`20:25.37`	`JD-laptop`	`fod`
`20:25.41`	`JD-laptop`	`food`
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`20:34.01`	`JD-laptop`	`although 15min is a long time to timeout`
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`20:37.24`	`skugg_`	`JD-laptop, what did I say? ( i ignore quits, joins, parts, nick changes etc)`
`20:40.07`	`JD-laptop`	`22:20 -!- skugg [~stig@braut.plus.com] has quit [Read error: 111 (Connection refused)]`
`20:40.28`	`JD-laptop`	`see I'm back again`
`20:43.35`	`JD-laptop`	`argh why does g++ not support labeled initialisers`
`20:43.48`	`Clyphox`	`s/discusting/disgusting ?`
`20:46.40`	`JD-laptop`	`ClyphoxZzZz: don;t be picky`
`21:03.44`	`skugg`	`it turned out pretty nice`
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`21:32.03`	`dankolb`	`Hi Paul`
`21:32.26`	`cupis`	`hey Dan`
`21:33.19`	`dankolb`	`How's life?`
`21:33.36`	`cupis`	`Not bad, thanks. You?`
`21:33.41`	`dankolb`	`It's been better`
`21:34.00`	`cupis`	`Dare I ask?`
`21:34.23`	`dankolb`	`Job worries, etc.`
`21:34.48`	`cupis`	`Job worries?`
`21:34.57`	`dankolb`	`Yeah....job security worries`
`21:35.08`	`dankolb`	`But I'd prefer not to say on a logged channel`
`21:35.27`	`cupis`	`dankolb: okay.`
`21:36.23`	`dankolb`	`Well, actually, other offices have had redundancies. And apparently Wycombe office will have some too`
`21:36.35`	`cupis`	`dankolb: what do you do?`
`21:37.31`	`dankolb`	`Sysadmin`
`21:37.42`	`cupis`	`What systems?`
`21:37.56`	`dankolb`	`Unix, Linux, Windows`
`21:52.32`	`dankolb`	`OpenBSD's fdisk sucks. Other than that, the installation rocks`
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`21:54.12`	`JD-laptop`	`hi all`
`21:54.21`	`cupis`	`except when you are installing on a 4mb machien and have to activate swap manually.`
`21:54.27`	`cupis`	`hi david`
`21:54.32`	`JD-laptop`	`anyone good at C++?`
`21:54.56`	`dankolb`	`cupis: Yeah, but the same can be said with Linux too`
`21:55.09`	`cupis`	`dankolb: very true,`
`21:55.56`	`dankolb`	`RedHat is slow to start up`
`21:55.57`	`cupis`	`dankolb: I obviously wasn't thinking of that. Duh! I've installed Linux on a 4mb laptop before - I must say the openbsd install was easier.`
`21:56.21`	`dankolb`	`Heh :) True. Slackware still just about installs in 4M, if you use the lowmem disk image. And enable swap.`
`21:56.39`	`JD-laptop`	`I don't think I;ve used linxu on less than 32Mb`
`21:58.20`	`dankolb`	`16MB RAM, cost �120`
`21:58.21`	`dankolb`	`Cheap`
`21:58.57`	`JD-laptop`	`nah it was 10Mb`
`21:59.04`	`JD-laptop`	`486`
`21:59.29`	`JD-laptop`	`could do a whopping 1024x768`
`21:59.38`	`dankolb`	`Heh. Nice`
`21:59.44`	`JD-laptop`	`120Mb disk :)`
`21:59.56`	`JD-laptop`	`although the bios could only see about 100 of it`
`22:00.20`	`dankolb`	`Heh. I got an OpenBSD firewall into ~80Mb. And that was just using the basic packages, without clearing out anything`
`22:00.24`	`dankolb`	`Including man pages`
`22:01.58`	`dankolb`	`With much useful stuff?`
`22:02.07`	`JD-laptop`	`but that includes all of /usr/share/{doc,info,man}`
`22:02.14`	`dankolb`	`nod`
`22:02.15`	`JD-laptop`	`works as a router`
`22:02.37`	`JD-laptop`	`so iptables, tethereal, freeswan`
`22:02.53`	`Xiaoqi`	`peekaboo!`
`22:03.08`	`JD-laptop`	`which I've got down to about 1.5-2Mb`
`22:03.59`	`dankolb`	`Well, 183MB on OpenBSD 3.3 gives me a full install without X`
`22:04.36`	`JD-laptop`	`you could do a base rh5.x in 83Mb`
`22:04.53`	`dankolb`	`Yes, but RH5.x is much older than BSD 3.3 :)`
`22:05.05`	`dankolb`	`And did the RH5 install include compilers?`
`22:06.36`	`JD-laptop`	`not sure`
`22:06.47`	`JD-laptop`	`it is a long time since I did a rh5 install`
`22:06.53`	`JD-laptop`	`like 5 years ago`
`22:07.05`	`dankolb`	`:)`
`22:07.08`	`Xiaoqi`	`what is rh5?`
`22:07.13`	`Xiaoqi`	`ah...`
`22:07.14`	`JD-laptop`	`redhat 5.x`
`22:07.14`	`dankolb`	`RedHat 5`
`22:07.29`	`JD-laptop`	`was the first linux I used`
`22:07.35`	`JD-laptop`	`5.0 and then 5.1`
`22:07.51`	`JD-laptop`	`didn;t do 5.2 and I donlt think I did 6.x either`
`22:08.09`	`dankolb`	`And 6.1`
`22:08.12`	`JD-laptop`	`I moved to debian in beginning of 2000 or late 1999`
`22:08.19`	`dankolb`	`Can't remember about 6.0`
`22:08.28`	`JD-laptop`	`haven't used anythgin since`
`22:09.00`	`dankolb`	`My most recent install at home (of Linux) was RedHat 9`
`22:09.08`	`dankolb`	`Just wanted something quickly that'd allow me to write CDs`
`22:10.52`	`JD-laptop`	`dankolb: I've only installed debian on my desktop twice`
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`22:11.10`	`JD-laptop`	`and I didn;t need to do the second install I just fancied doing a reinstall`
`22:11.32`	`JD-laptop`	`had been running it for 2 years do an almost daily apt-get update`
`22:11.49`	`JD-laptop`	`that was about 18-24months ago`
`22:12.34`	`dankolb`	`I have more than one computer :)`
`22:12.49`	`dankolb`	`Hence I really do need to do > 1 install :)`
`22:13.30`	`dankolb`	`Heh. The pf.conf contains commented code for doing bandwidth control`
`22:13.34`	`dankolb`	`that's good :)`
`22:16.53`	`JD-laptop`	`dankolb: me too`
`22:17.21`	`dankolb`	`Blugh`
`22:18.23`	`Xiaoqi`	`goodnight all`
`22:18.38`	`dankolb`	`nn Xiaoqi`
`22:19.03`	`JD`	`dankolb: I need to write 2 essays by 20th`
`22:19.09`	`dankolb`	`Eek`
`22:19.18`	`dankolb`	`Oh, actually, loads of time`
`22:19.42`	`JD`	`I have no idea about the cntent of these essas`
`22:22.17`	`dankolb`	`Ah`
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`22:24.08`	`JD`	`I need to do a lot of reading first`
`22:25.56`	`Clyphox`	`ping`
`22:26.23`	`dankolb`	`pong`
`22:26.42`	`Clyphox`	`Hey dan`
`22:27.07`	`dankolb`	`I just installed OpenBSD`
`22:27.11`	`Clyphox`	`Anyone know a text editor with syntax highlighting?`
`22:27.18`	`Clyphox`	`dankolb: fun fun`
`22:27.20`	`dankolb`	`vim`
`22:27.27`	`dankolb`	`Has syntax highlighting`
`22:27.28`	`Clyphox`	`dankolb: I tried slack9 and XFS today`
`22:27.32`	`dankolb`	`emacs has too sometimes`
`22:27.54`	`Clyphox`	`I can't get to grips with vim.. not sure if I'll ever like it`
`22:29.41`	`JD`	`vim`
`22:30.11`	`Clyphox`	`is it hard to enable?`
`22:32.57`	`JD`	`:syntax on`
`22:33.24`	`Clyphox`	`oohh`
`22:36.10`	`JD`	`Clyphox: http://www.davidpaslhye.com/vim.tar.bz2`
`22:36.15`	`JD`	`pashley`
`22:37.22`	`Clyphox`	`JD: prepared to answer my questions? maybe convert me`
`22:39.06`	`JD`	`probably`
`22:39.21`	`JD`	`start with a decent config file though`
`22:39.37`	`Clyphox`	`busy compiling vim atm`
`22:39.46`	`dankolb`	`vim comes with Slackware`
`22:39.56`	`dankolb`	`Well, is available with`
`22:40.08`	`Clyphox`	`I am sick of slackwares package managment`
`22:40.13`	`dankolb`	`Heh`
`22:40.32`	`JD`	`what package management?`
`22:40.43`	`Clyphox`	`I'm gonna work hard to ge the programs I want onto pkgsrc then get them to fix the bugs with it whilst I'm at it`
`22:41.10`	`Clyphox`	`I've managed to compile shitloads so far :-) so nice and quick with XFS and Dual PIII's :-)`
`22:43.14`	`dankolb`	`Muaha. Keynote rocks`
`22:43.22`	`Clyphox`	`whats dat?`
`22:43.34`	`dankolb`	`Presentation software`
`22:43.37`	`dankolb`	`Which r0x muchly`
`22:44.28`	`Clyphox`	`why?`
`22:45.41`	`dankolb`	`It's nice and easy to create fancy presentations`
`22:48.10`	`JD`	`and is made my apple`
`22:48.23`	`JD`	`by`
`22:50.02`	`Clyphox`	`ahh so prolly has some form of quality`
`22:50.10`	`Clyphox`	`JD: ok I've installed vim`
`22:50.31`	`Clyphox`	`JD: what do I get by attempting to import your settings?`
`22:51.18`	`JD`	`a decent config`
`22:51.34`	`Clyphox`	`why?`
`22:51.47`	`Clyphox`	`heehee`
`22:51.54`	`JD`	`initial vim config sucks badly`
`22:52.15`	`JD`	`very vi like and broken backspace and other stuff`
`22:52.19`	`JD`	`syntax isnlt turned on`
`22:52.33`	`JD`	`wow`
`22:52.40`	`JD`	`that was a bad speeling of could`
`22:52.50`	`Clyphox`	`ok.. the syntax highlighting isn't all that for sh`
`22:53.23`	`Clyphox`	`And when I'm editing I can't use my direction keys.. it just said ABCD basicly`
`22:56.52`	`JD`	`hmm interesting`
`22:57.09`	`JD`	`can you /msg me the results of vim --version`
`22:57.14`	`dankolb`	`Use hjkl, as vi intended :)`
`23:01.13`	`JD`	`wow I'm amazing`
`23:01.27`	`JD`	`Clyphox: you need to recompile with terminfo support`
`23:03.41`	`Clyphox`	`WHat is it btw?`
`23:04.38`	`JD`	`means you can use your cursor keys`
`23:04.50`	`JD`	`iirc you need to edit features.h`
`23:05.05`	`JD`	`but I think you can enable huge version using ./configure`
`23:07.15`	`Clyphox`	`I think I'm just gonna use nano`
`23:07.37`	`Clyphox`	`no complex features and bloat.. just works`
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`23:08.32`	`JD`	`Clyphox: don't give up just yet`
`23:08.47`	`JD`	`you are about to enter the wonderful world of modal text editors`
`23:10.10`	`Clyphox`	`JD: Whats bonuses can ye offer me sire?`
`23:11.49`	`Clyphox`	`hello?`
`23:12.44`	`JD`	`vim is very powerful once you have learn a bit of it's pwer`
`23:13.11`	`JD`	`of course there is stuff like regex search and replace`
`23:13.25`	`JD`	`Clyphox: do you code?`
`23:13.39`	`JD`	`auto indenting`
`23:13.44`	`JD`	`folding`
`23:13.47`	`JD`	`syntax highlighting`
`23:14.31`	`JD`	`there are so many cool things about vim`
`23:14.57`	`JD`	`like reformatting of emails and keeping the > right`
`23:15.54`	`Leeds`	`yay vim...`
`23:16.35`	`Leeds`	`ctags integration rocks when you're working with code you don't know well`
`23:18.30`	`JD`	`yep`
`23:18.41`	`JD`	`although I haven't used that much`
`23:18.48`	`JD`	`although I should really use it now`
`23:19.03`	`JD`	`how do I generte tags?`
`23:19.04`	`Leeds`	`I used it a few years ago when I was working on a huge codebase which had been ported to Unixware...`
`23:19.18`	`Leeds`	`and I'm using it right now to navigate around the FreeBSD and Solaris kernels..`
`23:19.49`	`Leeds`	`run "ctags -R" at the top of the tree, and make sure to set tags+=<tagfile-path>`
`23:20.43`	`JD`	`or make TAGS :)`
`23:20.58`	`Leeds`	`um?`
`23:21.28`	`Clyphox`	`eek`
`23:21.33`	`JD`	`if using automake`
`23:21.35`	`Leeds`	`I've been trying to get the cscope interface working for the Solaris kernel, since the cscope database is built automatically for it`
`23:21.57`	`Leeds`	`oh... I don't think Solaris, FreeBSD or HP-UX's packaging system use automake...`
`23:22.47`	`Leeds`	`remember - I live in the commercial UNIX world during working hours :-)`
`23:25.05`	`Leeds`	`oh - and I prefer to drink with the author of vim over the author of emacs... that's a major plus for me :-)`
`23:25.16`	`JD`	`yeah`
`23:25.19`	`JD`	`me too`
`23:25.33`	`JD`	`emacs author was a bit rude to pdr`
`23:25.39`	`JD`	`vim author wasn't`
`23:26.15`	`JD`	`I think it was only 10-20 euros`
`23:26.21`	`Leeds`	`was trying to persuade my manager to buy copies for work...`
`23:26.39`	`Leeds`	`or rather... to pay for copies`
`23:26.42`	`Clyphox`	`ok :-)`
`23:26.43`	`JD`	`but considering I had been uing it for yeas without paying it was an improvement`
`23:27.03`	`Clyphox`	`I think I will put more effort into learning a better way of doing things`
`23:27.29`	`Clyphox`	`JD: mind if I ask how old you are?`
`23:27.51`	`JD`	`Clyphox: older than you :) 24`
`23:27.55`	`Leeds`	`JD: just to make sure... you are talking about a donation, aren't you?`
`23:28.00`	`JD`	`younger than Leeds`
`23:28.08`	`JD`	`Leeds: to uganda`
`23:28.18`	`Leeds`	`heh - we're all younger than Tarragon and highbury - they`
`23:28.23`	`Leeds`	`they're the old blokes...`
`23:28.30`	`JD`	`wouldn;t be hard :)`
`23:28.50`	`JD`	`okay vim doesn't like my TAGS file`
`23:28.57`	`Leeds`	`JD: ctags or etags?`
`23:29.21`	`JD`	`exuberant`
`23:29.45`	`Leeds`	`hmm... should work... did you make them by hand or with automake?`
`23:30.20`	`Clyphox`	`ibot: search google for freebase shoutcast`
`23:32.53`	`JD`	`make them with automake`
`23:33.39`	`Leeds`	`try by hand`
`23:34.52`	`Clyphox`	`So how can I modify its syntax highlighting for a shell script?`
`23:35.44`	`Leeds`	`JD: thanks for prompting me... done...`
`23:35.45`	`JD`	`Leeds: yep that wors better`
`23:36.03`	`JD`	`Leeds: ?`
`23:36.05`	`Leeds`	`Clyphox: what do you mean? you want to modify how it actually highlights?`
`23:36.11`	`Leeds`	`JD: PayPal... :-)`
`23:36.19`	`JD`	`ah right`
`23:36.40`	`Clyphox`	`Leeds: well it doesn't do a wonderfull job..`
`23:36.45`	`Leeds`	`not quite so convenient at 0036 on a Sunday morning in London...`
`23:36.51`	`Leeds`	`Clyphox: how so?`
`23:36.53`	`JD`	`Clyphox: why did you want to know my age?`
`23:37.12`	`Clyphox`	`Leeds: well maybe just to notice an if and a fi`
`23:37.22`	`JD`	`er it does`
`23:37.36`	`Leeds`	`Clyphox: yeah, what JD said...`
`23:37.38`	`Clyphox`	`JD: you have alot of experience and I didn't pin you for being that old.`
`23:37.44`	`Clyphox`	`Not for me`
`23:37.53`	`Clyphox`	`Maybe its my dumb xterm`
`23:38.02`	`Leeds`	`Clyphox: recent release? is it highlighting in colour?`
`23:38.02`	`Clyphox`	`Everything is broken under xterm`
`23:38.08`	`JD`	`so you think I have more experiecen than I should or less?`
`23:38.20`	`Clyphox`	`Leeds: yeas.. just basic stuff like echo tho`
`23:38.24`	`JD`	`Clyphox: have you recompiled with terminfo support yet?`
`23:38.29`	`Clyphox`	`JD: more I suppose`
`23:38.37`	`Leeds`	`Clyphox: recent release of vim, I meant...`
`23:38.43`	`JD`	`Clyphox: thanks I guess`
`23:38.44`	`Clyphox`	`JD: nope machine is slow`
`23:38.55`	`JD`	`Clyphox: I suggest you do`
`23:38.59`	`Leeds`	`JD: you're old before your time...`
`23:39.09`	`JD`	`if you have a small vim you will miss lots of the cool features`
`23:39.15`	`Leeds`	`Clyphox: I built (g)vim for my iPAQ... on an iPAQ... didn't take that long...`
`23:39.25`	`JD`	`Leeds: I'll take that as a complement`
`23:39.45`	`JD`	`Clyphox: you may want to build in X support too`
`23:39.53`	`Leeds`	`JD: wasn't meant as one... :-)`
`23:39.58`	`Leeds`	`uh - :-P`
`23:40.09`	`Leeds`	`huh? /me like gvim...`
`23:40.16`	`JD`	`Leeds: I know but if I didn;t I wold have to lart you`
`23:40.18`	`Leeds`	`vim with scroll-bars - it's nice`
`23:40.25`	`JD`	`Leeds: oh okay`
`23:40.42`	`Leeds`	`I always turn off the toolbar... and often turn off the menu`
`23:40.46`	`JD`	`/real/ unix users would be disgusted by a gui`
`23:40.52`	`JD`	`:)`
`23:41.07`	`Leeds`	`plus mouse selection... and draggable split-screen boundaries...`
`23:41.23`	`JD`	`Leeds: I think that works in xterm too`
`23:41.36`	`JD`	`you can certianly move the cursor using the mouse in vim`
`23:41.44`	`JD`	`slightly freaky`
`23:42.15`	`JD`	`yep can do that in vim`
`23:42.26`	`JD`	`not sure about with gpm`
`23:42.29`	`Leeds`	`plus I like the default fork behaviour... I tend to use vim for quick things because it holds up an xterm... and gvim for longer-lived things or deep tag following`
`23:42.34`	`JD`	`I would imagine it would work`
`23:42.59`	`JD`	`have you used explore?`
`23:43.08`	`JD`	`open a directory :)`
`23:43.13`	`Leeds`	`explore? yeah - I know it...`
`23:43.34`	`Leeds`	`I don't tend to use it... bash for walking trees, vim for editing files and walking tag-trees`
`23:43.37`	`JD`	`and no ugly lisp in sight :)`
`23:44.34`	`Leeds`	`heh`
`23:45.54`	`Clyphox`	`back`
`23:45.57`	`Clyphox`	`soz..`
`23:47.17`	`JD`	`Clyphox: can't you install a binary?`
`23:47.58`	`Leeds`	`Clyphox: which distro?`
`23:48.47`	`Clyphox`	`netbsd.. but lemme check the one with slack9`
`23:48.58`	`dankolb`	`nn all`
`23:49.05`	`Leeds`	`ah`
`23:49.08`	`Leeds`	`g'night dan`
`23:49.18`	`Clyphox`	`nn dan`
`23:49.36`	`Clyphox`	`ok for example :`
`23:49.37`	`Clyphox`	`if [ -e ~/.zshrc ]; then`
`23:49.37`	`Clyphox`	`echo Good`
`23:49.37`	`Clyphox`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:49.37`	`Clyphox`	`echo Bad`
`23:49.40`	`Clyphox`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:49.42`	`Clyphox`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:49.49`	`Clyphox`	`in that everything is yellow`
`23:50.02`	`Clyphox`	`exept the Good and Bad is read`
`23:50.04`	`Clyphox`	`er red`
`23:50.16`	`Clyphox`	`and the ~/.zshrc is white/grey`
`23:50.26`	`Clyphox`	`#!/bin/sh is blue at least`
`23:51.19`	`Leeds`	`keywords are in yellow...`
`23:51.25`	`Leeds`	`comments are in blue`
`23:51.36`	`Leeds`	`string literals are in red...`
`23:52.01`	`Leeds`	`feel free to edit the syntax file`
`23:52.55`	`Clyphox`	`its not an issue.. just know if I'm in one of those blerg() {} things (is it called a function?) is usefull`
`23:52.55`	`Leeds`	`what more would you expect? it's not a particularly complex script...`
`23:53.09`	`Leeds`	`it's a function...`
`23:53.21`	`Clyphox`	`sorry have not training heehee`
`23:53.42`	`Leeds`	`you can use various movement commands to jump to things like function definitions`
`23:54.47`	`Clyphox`	`how?`
`23:55.14`	`Clyphox`	`for some reason when I press "i" (to edit I assume) I can't use my arrow keys anymore..`
`23:55.45`	`Leeds`	`rebuild it with proper terminal support`
`23:55.57`	`Clyphox`	`ahh yeah.. I forgot..`
`23:56.42`	`JD`	`Clyphox: I would see a doctor about your memory`
`23:57.15`	`JD`	`it is getting worse`
`23:57.31`	`JD`	`Leeds: as long it is only the menus`
`23:57.51`	`Leeds`	`nah, hope not`
`23:57.59`	`Leeds`	`JD: talk to fontconfig`
`23:58.10`	`JD`	`Leeds: yeah probably`
`23:58.40`	`Leeds`	`and the Vera monospace is pretty :-)`
`23:58.40`	`JD`	`set guifont=-misc-fixed-medium-r-normal---120---c-*-iso10646-1`

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