| 00:56.19 | murble | nn |
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| 06:38.59 | zachary | good morning |
| 07:03.28 | eye69 | Morning |
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| 07:04.25 | eye69 | :) |
| 07:04.28 | eye69_ | :) |
| 07:13.29 | zachary | morning eye69, I see some ipv6. |
| 07:54.26 | dankolb | `Morning |
| 07:54.27 | highbury | morning |
| 07:55.09 | stephen | even a good morning possibly |
| 07:55.21 | dankolb | Possibly |
| 07:55.30 | dankolb | Depends if we can turn another machine off today or not |
| 07:55.41 | dankolb | It's nice when BossMan is not around... |
| 07:56.04 | stephen | heh |
| 07:56.18 | dankolb | Can someone do a 'host www.siteman.co.uk', please, and paste the result? |
| 07:56.33 | Stephen | www.siteman.co.uk is an alias for www.causeway-tech.com. |
| 07:56.33 | Stephen | www.causeway-tech.com has address 213.219.24.200 |
| 07:56.36 | dankolb | Woohoo! |
| 07:56.44 | dankolb | It's propagated properly! |
| 07:56.55 | Stephen | :) |
| 07:56.56 | dankolb | ;-) |
| 07:59.01 | Stephen | oh, were you in bristol last tuesday highbury? |
| 08:02.30 | Stephen | nm, I better go buy some food |
| 08:03.31 | dankolb | have fun |
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| 08:19.01 | SPQR | Happy Friday every1!! |
| 08:19.51 | SPQR | all that other stuff. |
| 08:20.09 | dankolb | Likewise |
| 08:33.45 | highbury | I'm currently working in Bristol :-/ |
| 08:34.08 | highbury | Currently staying in grotty bed-and-breakfast during week |
| 08:34.15 | eye69 | highbury: What are you doing there? |
| 08:34.56 | highbury | working :-) |
| 08:35.15 | highbury | Unix Security - Scripting, Policy writing |
| 08:35.20 | eye69 | Just asking because a friend tipped me about a contract job there. |
| 08:35.59 | highbury | its a nice place, though there appears to be some very rough areas, with lots of homeless |
| 08:36.06 | highbury | accomodation is expensive |
| 08:36.50 | highbury | dankolb: when does OpenBSD 3.3 get released to ftp site? |
| 08:37.03 | dankolb | 1st May |
| 08:37.16 | highbury | cool |
| 08:37.44 | dankolb | So give it another day for mirrors to update |
| 08:37.53 | highbury | gotto scoot, will be back later this afternoon |
| 08:38.00 | dankolb | cya |
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| 10:07.42 | cup__ | silly question I am sure, how can I get a graphical login? |
| 10:08.14 | cup__ | I have to login then type startx |
| 10:08.27 | zachary | edit /etc/inittab |
| 10:08.34 | zachary | ... |
| 10:09.26 | zachary | cup__: Which distro? |
| 10:09.47 | cup__ | debian |
| 10:11.51 | cup__ | I have tried login.app but the keyboard stops responding |
| 10:12.02 | zachary | in inittab you will see the different runlevels explained: 0 is for halting the sistem, 3 is for multiuser no graphical with network , 5 is for full multi user with network and graphical |
| 10:13.00 | zachary | change the line "id:3:initdefault:" to "read id:5:initdefault:" |
| 10:18.08 | cup__ | tried that, it says it it entering runlevel 5 but still no graphical login? |
| 10:18.49 | Clyphox | why not just keep tihng simple and out gdm/xdm/kdm into your rc.local ? |
| 10:18.54 | eye69 | cup__: apt-get install xdm |
| 10:20.24 | zachary | you do need a display manager installed like xdm, gdm, kdm, wdm... |
| 10:22.54 | zachary | eye69: Does debain use the config file /etc/sysconfig/displaymanager? |
| 10:23.07 | eye69 | No. |
| 10:23.23 | eye69 | Debian doesn't have /etc/sysconfig at all. |
| 10:23.52 | eye69 | It uses 'update-alternatives --config x-display-manager' to decide which one to run if there are several installed. |
| 10:24.24 | cup__ | ah thats done it, cheers |
| 10:26.17 | dankolb | Urgh :( |
| 10:26.41 | dankolb | Bloody firewalls |
| 10:26.53 | zachary | dankolb: Have you ever thought about stress management? |
| 10:27.11 | dankolb | I don't need it.. |
| 10:28.51 | sash | Don't have a cow! |
| 10:28.58 | sash | Moo |
| 10:29.06 | dankolb | Moo |
| 10:29.15 | sash | ooM |
| 10:29.20 | dankolb | But we have gotten rid of another box |
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| 10:33.12 | murble | moin |
| 10:33.43 | eye69 | Hi murb |
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| 10:33.59 | sash | moan? |
| 10:34.24 | dankolb | Interesting IP address... |
| 10:35.05 | zachary | eye69_: The presence of Evil? |
| 10:35.10 | eye69 | Yep |
| 10:35.26 | eye69 | The number of IP's they allocate is quite sick... |
| 10:35.52 | eye69 | 65 535 subnets * 18 446 744 073 709 551 616 addresses |
| 10:35.54 | Clyphox | eye69: got your ipv6 going then :-) |
| 10:36.02 | eye69 | Oh yeah |
| 10:36.24 | Clyphox | fun fun fun |
| 10:36.32 | murble | looks suspioulsly like a legacy 6bone allocation |
| 10:36.48 | eye69 | freenet6.net...a /48 |
| 10:36.55 | Clyphox | looks like you're part of a satanic cult |
| 10:37.10 | murble | oh apt-get send my packets to canadaa # you'd better check them for SARS |
| 10:37.22 | Clyphox | lol |
| 10:37.57 | eye69 | murble: Nice to play around a bit... |
| 10:38.05 | eye69 | Irritating with radvd though... |
| 10:38.26 | eye69 | It set the fe80 address as default route on the clients |
| 10:40.20 | murble | you should check the SICK bit on the packets you receive |
| 10:40.22 | eye69 | Dunno if I should get another network for this machine or if I should tunnel it from home. |
| 10:40.48 | sash | Amusing Metro cartoon: Who Wants to Be a Millionaire? Toronto. Cough! Cough! Cough! Host immediately zooms off at the speed of light. |
| 10:43.30 | eye69 | murble: Mr IPv6: is there any worthwhile VPN package? I tried tinc, but that sucked IMO. |
| 10:44.05 | eye69 | Like if I just want to tunnel a net between v4 machines.. |
| 10:44.28 | eye69 | Or run a regular VPN but over v6 |
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| 11:19.53 | cup__ | what the f is going on here |
| 11:20.04 | sash | Server split? |
| 11:24.45 | SPQR | they did it to us yesterday as well... |
| 11:26.23 | Stephen | well, that's just life on irc |
| 11:30.27 | SPQR | ahhh, that might explain it |
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| 11:34.13 | SPQR | !so14k_:*! Good Morning Everyone, We just expierienced some hubbing problems with an EU hub, everything is currently routed |
| 11:34.17 | SPQR | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:34.18 | SPQR | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:34.23 | dankolb | Heh |
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| 11:43.38 | SPQR | hey resuDaed |
| 11:43.54 | resuDaed | hey, just got into work :-) |
| 11:44.02 | SPQR | part timer!! |
| 11:44.14 | resuDaed | I'll be here till after 8 tonight though |
| 11:44.27 | resuDaed | I prefer working towards the end of the day |
| 11:44.55 | resuDaed | but to just sit down and have a 'nix login at my desk is a nice feeling though |
| 11:45.06 | SPQR | ahhh, gives you time with out the cutomers bugging ya |
| 11:45.40 | SPQR | Lucky sod :/ |
| 11:45.40 | resuDaed | management and engineers(& grunts) only |
| 11:46.46 | resuDaed | got to get gcc on this thing now |
| 11:47.07 | SPQR | whats gcc? Anything like dcc? |
| 11:47.44 | resuDaed | c compiler |
| 11:47.49 | resuDaed | actually c++ iirc |
| 11:47.56 | resuDaed | but still pretty important |
| 11:48.01 | Stephen | nah, it does both I think |
| 11:48.19 | Stephen | and loads of other languages |
| 11:48.43 | SPQR | cool :) |
| 11:48.45 | Stephen | I once tried to recompile mine with pascal support, but it wouldn't have it |
| 11:49.01 | Stephen | probably no bad thing actually ;) |
| 11:49.15 | resuDaed | still, what kind of distro doesn't install it by default |
| 11:49.45 | Stephen | probably most |
| 11:49.56 | resuDaed | having to use deadRat @ work is bad enough, there is no way I am pissing around with rpms |
| 11:50.39 | Stephen | heh |
| 11:51.18 | Stephen | I would say that I've never had the 'pleasure' of using I redhat box, but I have logged into one, once |
| 11:51.28 | Stephen | s/I/a/ |
| 11:55.11 | SPQR | I haven't even done that yet :) (is still new to linux though) |
| 11:58.43 | SPQR | I have handled a few deadrat cd's though |
| 12:14.42 | zachary | bbl |
| 12:33.51 | SPQR | dankolb :do you know much about compiling slack to work with novell shares? |
| 12:37.01 | dankolb | Urgh. Look at ncpfs |
| 12:37.18 | SPQR | ncpfs? |
| 12:38.37 | dankolb | yeah |
| 12:39.14 | SPQR | where can i find it? |
| 12:39.27 | dankolb | I'm not sure - have a google |
| 12:39.39 | SPQR | k, thx :) |
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| 13:13.16 | nasrat | someone mentioned novell |
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| 13:15.32 | dankolb | nothing wrong with Novell |
| 13:15.39 | dankolb | I have a Netware 2 and Netware 4 system at home |
| 13:16.33 | dankolb | nasrat: Didn't you work for Micropoint(?) |
| 13:16.52 | nasrat | yes I used to |
| 13:17.00 | dankolb | Worked with Netware there? |
| 13:18.06 | SPQR | ya, I mentioned Novel |
| 13:18.07 | nasrat | umm, nw 3.12 -> 5 migration |
| 13:18.13 | dankolb | Muaha |
| 13:18.19 | nasrat | then went onto solaris/linux stuff |
| 13:18.37 | SPQR | 1 of our clients has a novel and a linux server |
| 13:18.38 | dankolb | I liked Netware |
| 13:18.51 | dankolb | Far nicer file serving system than anything else I've come across |
| 13:18.58 | SPQR | we now need to setup a backup for the novel from the linux machine |
| 13:19.14 | nasrat | dankolb: true, but some of their add-ons stink. NDS is also a good directory service |
| 13:19.22 | dankolb | NDS is about the only good one |
| 13:19.34 | dankolb | It made sense. LDAP always seemed too much of a buzzword |
| 13:19.48 | dankolb | Everything was 'LDAP-compliant', but no-one ever said how to get it to work |
| 13:20.01 | sash | Ask Bruce! |
| 13:20.02 | dankolb | LOAD APACHE.NLM ? |
| 13:20.04 | nasrat | umm they both come from X. protocols |
| 13:20.12 | nasrat | dankolb: load perl.nlm |
| 13:20.12 | dankolb | True |
| 13:20.14 | dankolb | :) |
| 13:20.39 | nasrat | X.400 replication is kind of odd |
| 13:20.50 | dankolb | In a weird way, I miss playing with Netware systems |
| 13:22.34 | nasrat | problem is novell can be v. bad at disclosure of vulns, and some of their stuff has really bad protocol implementation (groupwise imap) |
| 13:23.07 | dankolb | Yeah, but if someone cracked a Netware server, 99% of 5kr1pt k1dd135 would have no fucking clue |
| 13:23.23 | dankolb | Security through obscure OSes |
| 13:23.29 | zimm | lol |
| 13:24.19 | nasrat | nmrc |
| 13:24.28 | dankolb | nmrc? |
| 13:25.10 | Clyphox | netware ain't "that" obscure |
| 13:25.22 | dankolb | It is to most script kiddies |
| 13:25.26 | nasrat | Nomad Research http://www.nmrc.org/project/pandora/index.html |
| 13:25.39 | dankolb | Where h4xx0ring a l1nuX box make you 5oop3r-31337 |
| 13:25.40 | nasrat | ibot: google for novell exploit |
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| 13:26.07 | nasrat | or don't script kiddies use google. |
| 13:26.38 | dankolb | Probably more than half wouldn't have even heard of Netware |
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| 13:27.46 | resuDaed | who shot zimm |
| 13:27.56 | dankolb | A difference channel. Who care, anyway? |
| 13:27.58 | dankolb | *cares |
| 13:28.02 | resuDaed | :-P |
| 13:28.07 | dankolb | *different |
| 13:28.19 | dankolb | Too much firewallfighting |
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| 13:30.10 | Shermozle | Heyas |
| 13:30.15 | Shermozle | Anyone got a Good Beer Guide handy? |
| 13:31.38 | dankolb | ibot google for Good Beer Guide |
| 13:31.46 | dankolb | HTH |
| 13:32.05 | Shermozle | Yeah I have a copy but it's at home. I just want someone to look up the address of a specific pub... |
| 13:34.50 | mish | ibot help |
| 13:35.59 | resuDaed | what are the min reqs for ssh? |
| 13:36.05 | resuDaed | kernel wise |
| 13:36.13 | Shermozle | TCP/IP and Sockets? |
| 13:36.35 | resuDaed | doesn't matter that I've got a 2.2x kernel here |
| 13:36.42 | Clyphox | heh |
| 13:36.56 | mish | ibot google ibot documentation |
| 13:36.57 | | wish i knew, mish |
| 13:37.03 | mish | rofl |
| 13:37.10 | mish | ibot google for ibot documentation |
| 13:38.35 | SPQR | Hey Clyphox |
| 13:40.45 | Clyphox | hiya |
| 13:41.04 | dankolb | resuDaed: Doesn't matter |
| 13:41.12 | dankolb | Any kernel that support an IP stack |
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| 13:50.58 | Shermozle | ibot google for real ale hampstead |
| 13:55.29 | SPQR | queer ale?? Sound a bit dodgy!! |
| 13:55.59 | SPQR | *sounds |
| 13:56.15 | resuDaed | brb |
| 13:56.51 | Shermozle | Sounds like ale that's gone off... |
| 13:57.05 | SPQR | thx Shermozle :P |
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| 13:58.11 | Shermozle | I think it may be http://www.pubs.com/freenw3.htm |
| 13:58.52 | SPQR | wb resuDaed |
| 13:59.31 | JD | w00t |
| 14:00.01 | dankolb | Happy Birthda |
| 14:00.05 | dankolb | +y |
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| 14:00.44 | nasrat | gratz JD |
| 14:00.59 | SPQR | congrates JD :) |
| 14:01.23 | resuDaed | SPQR ty |
| 14:02.13 | resuDaed | brb again, chaning screens :-) |
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| 14:02.32 | SPQR | heh, wb again resuDaed |
| 14:02.37 | resuDaed | now have a dedicated Windows server for running putty :-) |
| 14:03.47 | SPQR | hehe |
| 14:04.04 | Shermozle | Well at least it's being put to some use... |
| 14:04.08 | resuDaed | I have just been given admin rights to the colo server ... but its too damn stale for my liking |
| 14:04.37 | resuDaed | 2.2.16 kernel, no ssh (only telnet) |
| 14:05.34 | resuDaed | ok, how do I set my default gateway & dns server @ command line (all my attempts have failed to ping google) |
| 14:06.06 | nasrat | resuDaed: /etc/resolv.conf for dns |
| 14:06.14 | Stephen | resuDaed: dns server goes in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 14:06.19 | nasrat | resuDaed: what distro (varies for default route) |
| 14:09.36 | JD | been down the pub with boss |
| 14:10.00 | JD | and the rest of the company |
| 14:11.54 | Clyphox | ping |
| 14:12.32 | resuDaed | thanks, distro is slack 8.1 ... |
| 14:12.36 | resuDaed | any MySQL experts? |
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| 14:13.00 | JD | resuDaed: I could probably hind^H^H^H^Hhelp you |
| 14:13.04 | Clyphox | I know that IP! |
| 14:13.07 | Clyphox | re pmaccyd |
| 14:13.37 | Clyphox | pmaccyd: I hear young padwan is trying to get ncpfs going.. |
| 14:13.48 | resuDaed | JD, I need to create a database and add a user with full access to that database and no more |
| 14:13.56 | SPQR | Clyphox : the young paswan is trying to help the master :P |
| 14:14.03 | SPQR | *padwan |
| 14:14.50 | JD | create database foo; |
| 14:15.05 | JD | and then look up the grant command in the docs |
| 14:15.57 | pmaccyd | Clyphox :yes luke the force is strong with this one |
| 14:16.19 | cup__ | mysql the greatest of all databases |
| 14:16.52 | JD | cup__: debateable |
| 14:17.03 | cup__ | (only one I know) |
| 14:17.05 | JD | cup__: beats msql |
| 14:17.20 | JD | however postgresql vs. mysql is a tough one |
| 14:17.21 | nasrat | resuDaed: IIRC /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 |
| 14:18.06 | nasrat | JD: bah use sleepycat |
| 14:18.20 | nasrat | we don't need no stinking SQL |
| 14:19.18 | JD | nasrat: depends what you are aafter |
| 14:19.35 | JD | nasrat: note I didn;t mention all databases |
| 14:19.35 | nasrat | true :) |
| 14:19.45 | JD | just msql, postgresql and mysql |
| 14:19.55 | nasrat | JD: if you did we may be here some time... |
| 14:21.12 | JD | there is firebird/interbase/sapdb/sqllite/sleepycat/etc |
| 14:21.29 | nasrat | I have had beer |
| 14:21.29 | resuDaed | what is the default root user for mysql? |
| 14:23.21 | Clyphox | Does anyone know how to stop wget saving directories (from ftp) whith %20 instead of a space ? |
| 14:23.39 | nasrat | Clyphox: well you could just use --cutdirs |
| 14:23.58 | Clyphox | nasrat: goodie :-) |
| 14:24.42 | nasrat | but that just stops it putting dirs in |
| 14:27.09 | resuDaed | would the command route add 0.0.0.0 gw 192.168.0.1 set my default gateway and allow internet access? |
| 14:27.52 | resuDaed | setting the default gateway to 192.168.0.1 on the Win boxes seems to, but not the lappy |
| 14:28.09 | dankolb | route add default gw 192.168.0.1 |
| 14:28.13 | dankolb | (if it's Linux) |
| 14:28.27 | Clyphox | damn |
| 14:28.29 | nasrat | resuDaed: that won't persist between reboots though |
| 14:28.53 | dankolb | Don't reboot |
| 14:28.55 | resuDaed | nasrat : doesn't need to, I havea different g/way @ home |
| 14:29.44 | Clyphox | maybe I can make a script.. :-( |
| 14:31.18 | dankolb | Yes |
| 14:31.37 | Clyphox | or setup a rsync mirror |
| 14:32.42 | nasrat | i |
| 14:33.02 | Shermozle | Gotta go. l8er |
| 14:33.03 | dankolb | SCripts are good |
| 14:33.04 | *** part/#gllug Shermozle (~trillian@217.205.180.210) |
| 14:33.30 | Clyphox | I gotta go.. cya all later.. |
| 14:33.55 | dankolb | cya |
| 14:34.06 | SPQR | cya |
| 14:39.45 | resuDaed | laters Clyphox |
| 14:42.31 | Clyphox | ta ta boys |
| 14:42.56 | Clyphox | dankolb: there is a PDP-11 up for grabs at the local uni here.. its the lovely RACK version |
| 14:51.21 | JD | anyone know if linux-ntfs resize tool works? |
| 14:56.53 | dankolb | MMmmmmm |
| 14:56.55 | dankolb | Clyphox: TAKE IT! |
| 15:01.07 | JD | do we know of any other partition resizers that can copewith ntfs? |
| 15:05.53 | dankolb | Partition Magic |
| 15:06.10 | JD | dankolb: I would prefer a free program |
| 15:06.39 | dankolb | Write one :) |
| 15:11.59 | cup__ | right, how do I get my pc to turn off when I do shutdown, the last line I get is powerdown |
| 15:12.23 | JD | you can do it using APM or ACPI |
| 15:12.29 | dankolb | Proess the power button |
| 15:12.35 | JD | and I'm too pissed to explain how to do either one |
| 15:13.15 | cup__ | I am lazy and don't want to press the power button, I'll look into APM |
| 15:13.40 | JD | involves something to do with the kernel |
| 15:13.50 | JD | there is a kernel option you need to compile in |
| 15:14.00 | JD | probably |
| 15:16.32 | nasrat | also you may need to play with the bios |
| 15:16.46 | JD | and run apmd |
| 15:17.03 | JD | and sacrifice your domestic pets |
| 15:17.12 | JD | (or your neighbours if you don't have any) |
| 15:23.17 | dankolb | How can you sacrifice neighbours if you don't have any? |
| 15:24.25 | JD | neighbours domestic pets |
| 15:24.37 | JD | and it is impossible to not have neighbours |
| 15:24.37 | dankolb | ah |
| 15:28.28 | cup__ | walls paper thin at my place, oh I have neighbours and getting to them won't be that hard |
| 15:33.42 | denivri | heh |
| 15:35.17 | resuDaed | this is a fscking joke, I am to connect to the MySQL server, but noone know the user/pass |
| 15:35.24 | dankolb | Hah |
| 15:35.53 | resuDaed | have dissected a php script that had what appeared to be a user/pass in it, but that didn't work either |
| 15:38.11 | dankolb | Bah |
| 15:38.42 | resuDaed | not only that, the server I am being forced to use is a 2.2 kernel with no ssh access |
| 15:38.52 | dankolb | What's wrong with 2.2? |
| 15:40.20 | resuDaed | nothing much, but the whole setup seems amaturish and stale, poorly documented (actually not at all) |
| 15:40.26 | resuDaed | the colo box this is |
| 15:41.24 | dankolb | :) |
| 15:41.34 | cup__ | redo the server from scratch |
| 15:41.48 | resuDaed | I wish, I don't have that level of access |
| 15:42.39 | cup__ | reinstall mysql? |
| 15:43.00 | dankolb | Start it up without using security checks |
| 15:43.07 | dankolb | (it's documented in the manual) |
| 15:48.56 | resuDaed | I don't even know if I have rights to re-install mysql |
| 15:49.57 | dankolb | Weren't you senior admin or something? |
| 15:50.35 | resuDaed | of local stuff, not the colo |
| 15:52.32 | resuDaed | the password 'owners' are of little technical knowledge, but enough to know not to give it out |
| 15:52.32 | dankolb | ah |
| 15:53.02 | dankolb | 'specially not to another admin |
| 15:53.08 | resuDaed | local 'nix servers I have full control over ... and am sole knower of root passwords |
| 15:57.55 | dankolb | Muaha |
| 15:58.00 | resuDaed | dankolb : what text based www browser is RH9 likley to install? |
| 15:58.05 | dankolb | lynx |
| 15:58.09 | dankolb | Maybe links |
| 15:58.38 | resuDaed | neither, but it apparantly has installed one |
| 15:58.44 | dankolb | w3m ? |
| 15:58.54 | resuDaed | yes, w3m |
| 15:59.19 | dankolb | ibot change 1 gbp to usd |
| 15:59.28 | dankolb | ibot change 1gbp to usd |
| 15:59.41 | dankolb | ibot change gbp 3 to usd |
| 15:59.46 | dankolb | ibot help change |
| 16:00.03 | nasrat | resuDaed: grep TEXT /usr/bin/htmlview |
| 16:00.40 | resuDaed | grr, don't like w3m ... /me wants links |
| 16:00.48 | nasrat | up2date links |
| 16:01.40 | resuDaed | eh, don't understand?? |
| 16:02.23 | resuDaed | ah, better |
| 16:02.28 | resuDaed | didn't die on me this time |
| 16:07.25 | resuDaed | the following packages weren't found : links |
| 16:08.05 | resuDaed | but it seems to have lynx |
| 16:10.22 | dankolb | apt-get install links |
| 16:10.56 | resuDaed | dankolb : RH9 |
| 16:11.03 | dankolb | Yeah |
| 16:11.10 | dankolb | you haven't installed apt for rpm? |
| 16:11.22 | resuDaed | I've only just taken over this box |
| 16:11.37 | resuDaed | + I don't know how to install apt for rpm |
| 16:11.51 | nasrat | fedora.mplug.org |
| 16:11.57 | dankolb | ibot google for apt for rpm |
| 16:13.13 | resuDaed | this box is a P3 450, 96MB RAM 512k L2 cache, but my lappy responds better |
| 16:13.44 | resuDaed | (166MHz, 80MB RAM, 128k L2 cache) |
| 16:14.37 | dankolb | :) |
| 16:16.14 | nasrat | bored |
| 16:17.03 | dankolb | yeh |
| 16:20.00 | nasrat | I spy with my little eye... |
| 16:21.58 | dankolb | something beginning with s |
| 16:22.46 | nasrat | slackware |
| 16:22.55 | dankolb | no |
| 16:23.06 | nasrat | sparc |
| 16:23.20 | dankolb | Well, yeah, but that's not what I was thinking of |
| 16:26.05 | JD | argh can't move files out of the way to shrink the partition well |
| 16:42.53 | dankolb | Hah |
| 16:47.06 | dankolb | bye |
| 16:47.49 | zachary | bye dan |
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| 17:05.28 | Clyphox | moo |
| 17:14.02 | SPQR | yo |
| 17:14.50 | SPQR | I'm off now cya all later |
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| 17:26.50 | JD | davilion: why are you ArseBikkies? |
| 17:28.54 | davilion | I can't remember what made me chose that |
| 17:29.11 | davilion | but something along the lines of can i be bothered typinh my name or will I just chose a random Father Ted expression |
| 17:29.43 | JD | what episode is that from then? |
| 17:30.00 | JD | how do you pronounce Bikkies? |
| 17:30.20 | JD | Bike-ies |
| 17:30.41 | davilion | Arse Biscuits |
| 17:30.41 | JD | biccies (as in biscuits) |
| 17:30.44 | davilion | yes |
| 17:30.53 | JD | hmmmm |
| 17:31.00 | JD | must have missed that episode |
| 17:31.35 | JD | with non-free free software |
| 17:31.50 | JD | free 30 trial of non-Partition Magic |
| 17:32.30 | JD | but then if it does get knackered, I get 38Gb for linux rather than 26Gb |
| 17:39.06 | A4266 | howdy doody all |
| 17:43.03 | davilion | hi A4266 |
| 17:43.18 | davilion | im ok, nearly killed myself with electric shock but recovering nicely now i have some beer |
| 17:43.40 | A4266 | hehe, ehat where ya doing that ya nearly killed yaself? |
| 17:43.46 | A4266 | *what |
| 17:44.21 | davilion | well i managed to zap myself with a usb disk caddy, it has abuilt in psu and it was all on with the lid off and i picked iot up to move it and i think i managed to twist it and cause the psu to touch the case |
| 17:44.24 | davilion | man that hurt |
| 17:44.47 | A4266 | ouch!! |
| 17:45.27 | davilion | yep ouch was one of the words i used |
| 17:45.51 | A4266 | heh. |
| 17:46.07 | A4266 | I never did like playing with electricity that much... |
| 17:46.24 | A4266 | Unles its in small doses and makes little moters go whiirrrr :) |
| 17:48.14 | davilion | herheh |
| 17:48.32 | davilion | right, can people have a look at www.irvined.co.uk and give me some ideas of how to improve the design |
| 17:48.47 | davilion | it looks how i want it to on IE, and galeon |
| 17:48.49 | davilion | i think. |
| 17:49.09 | davilion | and also in lynx |
| 17:56.31 | JD | w00t partition sucessfully resized |
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| 18:07.20 | Clyphox | ack |
| 18:07.49 | A4266 | yo |
| 18:08.24 | A4266 | ps, davilion I checked ya site with Moz, looking good :) |
| 18:11.13 | JD | okay have 28Gb to install linux on |
| 18:11.21 | JD | any thoughts on partition sizes |
| 18:11.22 | mish | davillion: looks good in galeon. hurragh 4 gimp. railbiking!?! |
| 18:13.01 | JD | dammit someone give me an answer |
| 18:13.13 | JD | I'm looking to do this in the next hour |
| 18:13.40 | Leeds | JD: I tend to make / /usr /home relatively small |
| 18:14.03 | Leeds | and a big /storage (or something similar) as a pool of space - can be symlinked into other parts of the filesystem (e.g. /opt) |
| 18:14.23 | JD | Leeds: nah I don't really fancy that |
| 18:14.45 | JD | I think I'll go a bit bigger /usr and a smaller home |
| 18:15.04 | Leeds | then why the fsck ask!!! :-) |
| 18:15.53 | JD | I know |
| 18:16.08 | JD | sometimes it is nice to be told that you are an idiot |
| 18:16.14 | JD | kinda validation |
| 18:16.47 | Leeds | you're an idiot |
| 18:16.50 | Leeds | happy? |
| 18:16.57 | JD | not really |
| 18:16.59 | JD | no |
| 18:17.11 | JD | or a spirit based drink |
| 18:17.15 | Leeds | yeah, beer |
| 18:17.28 | JD | installing linux until friends turn up |
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| 18:36.27 | Leeds | evening skugg |
| 18:36.40 | skugg | hi leeds :) |
| 18:36.55 | skugg | finally weekend? :) |
| 18:37.07 | Leeds | yeah! |
| 18:38.26 | skugg | oops. |
| 18:38.28 | skugg | :( |
| 18:39.07 | Leeds | oops |
| 18:39.12 | Leeds | been there... |
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| 18:40.46 | A4266 | heya Jenson |
| 18:40.54 | Jenson | Heya A4266 |
| 18:42.45 | skugg | i think he said i was allowed to stretch it to monday though, seing as it was my birthday yesterday :) |
| 18:43.08 | Leeds | oh, happy b'day |
| 18:43.20 | skugg | thanks |
| 18:43.23 | skugg | :} |
| 18:44.09 | Jenson | yeh, from me too |
| 18:46.00 | mish | Jenson |
| 18:46.14 | Jenson | hey mish |
| 18:47.54 | davilion | mish: yeah the gimp rules |
| 18:48.22 | A4266 | arg, all my music is annoying me!!! |
| 18:48.25 | davilion | and i normally do a 80mb /boot 2gb / 2gb /var 2gb /tmp 6gb /usr 4gb /usr/local and leave the rest of the disk blank for expansion |
| 18:48.52 | Jenson | A4266: I'm listening to mine at 1 and a half speed lol |
| 18:48.59 | A4266 | lol |
| 18:49.08 | A4266 | might try that acctualy!! |
| 18:50.01 | Jenson | its quite funny |
| 18:50.22 | A4266 | chipmonks :D |
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| 19:03.30 | Huhn | hi * |
| 19:03.36 | Leeds | echo |
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| 19:04.35 | Jenson | spell even |
| 19:05.12 | nasrat | hi ppl |
| 19:05.16 | Jenson | evening nasrat |
| 19:08.57 | Leeds | ibot seen tarragon |
| 19:09.01 | | tarragon <~john@public1-stoc3-3-cust104.oldh.broadband.ntl.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 9d 9h 18m 5s ago, saying: 'Too much info'. |
| 19:09.10 | Leeds | ibot seen tarragon_ |
| 19:09.10 | | tarragon_ <~john@public1-stoc3-3-cust104.oldh.broadband.ntl.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 150d 3h 12m 48s ago, saying: '#join #gllugadmin'. |
| 19:09.29 | Jenson | Where's he gone? |
| 19:09.32 | *** join/#gllug murb (~murble@clepto.pho.be) |
| 19:09.37 | murb | hello |
| 19:09.42 | Jenson | heya murb |
| 19:09.51 | Leeds | dunno |
| 19:23.05 | *** join/#gllug ibot (ibot@208.186.182.172) |
| 19:23.05 | *** topic/#gllug is GLLUG - Greater London Linux User Group, http://gllug.org.uk [Next Meeting - tba], Check out irc FAQ at http://www.gllug.org.uk/irc.html |
| 19:23.46 | Jenson | lol wb bot |
| 19:24.16 | Leeds | ibot welcome back |
| 19:24.16 | | It's great to be back! |
| 19:25.12 | davilion | ibot the meaning of life? |
| 19:25.13 | | davilion: i haven't a clue |
| 19:25.24 | davilion | glad to see he's as ignorant as ever. |
| 19:25.57 | Jenson | lol |
| 19:29.35 | murb | ibot, please FOAD. |
| 19:29.35 | | i haven't a clue, murb |
| 19:29.35 | Leeds | ibot 42 |
| 19:29.36 | | [42] the answer or the answer to life, the universe, and everything |
| 19:30.07 | Leeds | davilion: he's not that dumb! |
| 19:31.54 | murb | ibot 6*9 |
| 19:31.55 | | hmm... 6*9 is 42 |
| 19:32.23 | A4266 | ibot 454*56 |
| 19:32.24 | | 25424 |
| 19:32.57 | A4266 | lug] www.irvined.co.uk |
| 19:33.37 | Leeds | ibot google for gllug |
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| 19:34.12 | Leeds | eye69_: trying to show off your fancy IPv6? :-) |
| 19:35.01 | A4266 | ibot google for matrix |
| 19:36.23 | skugg | ibot, stop spamming |
| 19:36.24 | | skugg: I give up, what is it? |
| 19:37.54 | A4266 | bbl feeding time :) |
| 19:38.24 | Jenson | cya |
| 19:38.59 | A4266 | byee |
| 19:51.21 | Jenson | Sounds like fun Leeds... |
| 19:51.46 | Leeds | yeah |
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| 19:52.34 | Leeds | there's a cool program about to finish on Ch4 (I'm watching it on TiVo) |
| 19:52.35 | Jenson | heya Tom |
| 19:52.53 | Leeds | it's a repeat of a short travel/documentary series from last year (maybe year before) |
| 19:52.59 | Jenson | Yeh, I'm about t go tidy up/watch Friends then watch Will And Grace |
| 19:53.23 | resuDaed | hey Jenson |
| 19:53.31 | resuDaed | does anyone know, can xmms play cds? |
| 19:53.50 | resuDaed | because I'd much rather have pcm output |
| 19:54.20 | Leeds | resuDaed: absolutely |
| 19:54.59 | resuDaed | how do I go about it? being that audio cds are not mounted |
| 19:55.02 | Leeds | but I think it plays it through the drive, not by streaming the CDDA |
| 19:55.52 | resuDaed | :-(, I would like it parsed by xmms and the general audio eq |
| 19:56.19 | Leeds | have a look aronud xmms.org - it should be possible as a plugin |
| 19:58.23 | Leeds | this series is an English geography professor and travel writer going to the hottest (this week, almost finished), coldest, driest and wettest places on the planet |
| 19:58.35 | Jenson | sounds like fun |
| 19:58.42 | Jenson | Anyway, I'm off for a while, BBL |
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| 20:27.23 | zachary | evening Huhn |
| 20:27.35 | Huhn | hi zachary |
| 20:34.18 | murb | is anyone computer fairing tomorrow? |
| 20:34.31 | eye69 | murb: Got a 2001 from IPng.org.uk instead |
| 20:35.07 | murb | eye69: just for fun? |
| 20:35.20 | murb | have you seen btexacts tunnel broker? |
| 20:35.40 | eye69 | Nope |
| 20:35.41 | skugg | http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/thongthief1.html |
| 20:35.50 | murb | I was using it, seemed to work well, but i didn't like the script they give you s rewrote it with one tunnel using ip caommdn thing. |
| 20:36.04 | eye69 | murb: It was hard to get a /64 instead of a /48 though...dunno if I will have enough IP's.. |
| 20:45.13 | dankolb | Hi Huhn |
| 20:45.27 | Huhn | hey dan |
| 20:47.57 | dankolb | How's it going? |
| 20:48.02 | dankolb | Are you coming to the next gllug? |
| 20:48.14 | Huhn | dankolb: when's the next gllug? |
| 20:49.58 | dankolb | 17th |
| 20:50.15 | Huhn | mh, maybe :) |
| 20:51.05 | zachary | 17th May(regular meeting), 21 June(install fest) |
| 20:51.26 | Huhn | ty |
| 20:58.05 | skugg | heh. |
| 20:58.43 | skugg | 17th of may is the norwegian equivalence of 4th of july in america... |
| 20:58.50 | skugg | lots of people filling the streets. |
| 21:00.00 | skugg | the _really_ funny thing is that the sweedes are so jealous that they come in many, many bussloads Oslo to participate in the celebration :D |
| 21:00.12 | HuhnZzZ | bed time, nn |
| 21:00.13 | skugg | s,O,to O, |
| 21:00.16 | dankolb | nn HuhnZzZ |
| 21:01.15 | Leeds | night HuhnZzZ |
| 21:05.00 | murb | skugg: who did they escape from? |
| 21:05.43 | skugg | anybody able to answer a quick java question? what do you call java's `interface'? an instance? a class? |
| 21:05.46 | skugg | < |
| 21:05.55 | zachary | skugg: Now we have something to toast to at the pub. |
| 21:06.06 | skugg | zachary, yep. |
| 21:06.34 | skugg | I should definately be there -- it's after all my hand-in dates and in good time before my exams... |
| 21:06.38 | skugg | :) |
| 21:06.51 | zachary | know of any norwegian drinking songs? |
| 21:07.13 | dankolb | And a late Birthday Drink, too |
| 21:07.47 | resuDaed | whats the easiest way to make an old hdd bootable (ie boot a linux kernel), writing lilo or grub just causes problems at bootime |
| 21:07.50 | skugg | not really. one that goes "ĝl, ĝl og mere ĝl! det er det best som jeg vet!" where ĝl=beer and mere=more ;) |
| 21:07.54 | skugg | you can guess the rest ;) |
| 21:08.51 | skugg | resuDaed, how about putting lilo/grub on a floppy? i've done that for an old machine with quirky hd... |
| 21:09.16 | skugg | alternatively you can put the whole kernel image on the disk, but that's _fucking slow_ ;) |
| 21:09.26 | resuDaed | skugg : how do I put grub on a floppy? |
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| 21:09.37 | resuDaed | evening Jenson |
| 21:09.43 | Jenson | heya resuDaed |
| 21:09.50 | skugg | resuDaed, i don't remember... I have such a disk somewhere. should i mail you a dd'd image? :) |
| 21:10.23 | skugg | think you simply use grub-install in debian and chose where to install it |
| 21:10.30 | skugg | can't remember tho, it's long ago |
| 21:11.10 | resuDaed | can you chuck it on a web server somewhere, been having trouble with email |
| 21:12.00 | skugg | eh, damn. all my floppies are gone. I must have used it to hand in a project at some time... |
| 21:12.04 | skugg | sorry :( |
| 21:12.14 | *** mode/#gllug [+o zachary] by ChanServ |
| 21:12.47 | dankolb | Dead Ringers on BBC7 |
| 21:12.57 | Jenson | cool |
| 21:13.27 | dankolb | 'tis for me |
| 21:14.05 | Jenson | I probably havent got the plugins for it installed |
| 21:16.21 | resuDaed | can webmin configure appache-ssl> |
| 21:16.27 | dankolb | Good Leeds |
| 21:16.52 | Leeds | got the complete works CDset :-) |
| 21:17.04 | dankolb | Mmmmm :) |
| 21:17.13 | dankolb | Bah :-P |
| 21:17.25 | Leeds | I think I may have promised you a copy at one point... |
| 21:17.49 | dankolb | Of some stuff. But I *think* I've got everything |
| 21:18.33 | Leeds | there are 74 tracks on the complete works |
| 21:18.53 | dankolb | Ooh. That's more than I have |
| 21:18.56 | murb | resuDaed: webmin is badbadbad. |
| 21:19.15 | murb | unless you have lusers who have to do stuff, but generally to configure somthing like apache you really have to know what youare doing. |
| 21:19.25 | murb | slightly. |
| 21:20.01 | resuDaed | murb: we have lusers (web designers) who have to do stuff |
| 21:20.27 | dankolb | Leeds: Are any of them duplicates? |
| 21:22.02 | Leeds | sort of... a bunch are live and studio versions of the same thing |
| 21:22.20 | dankolb | Ah right |
| 21:23.10 | resuDaed | for some reason my security certificate cannot be verified, any ideas why? |
| 21:23.11 | dankolb | I didn't like the studio versions |
| 21:23.13 | dankolb | as much |
| 21:23.28 | Leeds | yeah - live is better |
| 21:23.49 | Jenson | resuDaed: Coz they like to be weird IME |
| 21:24.03 | murb | resuDaed: are they self signed? |
| 21:24.17 | resuDaed | murb : yes, but I don't know how to get them authorized |
| 21:24.50 | murb | you have to create a certificate request, pay lots of money and send it to versign or someone and they'll sign it for you. |
| 21:25.36 | murb | then because they've signed your key their be a chain going back to their root cert public key in your browser or mail application. |
| 21:25.55 | murb | you can of course have your own root certificate and install the public key in your local machines. |
| 21:26.50 | resuDaed | murb : is there any way I can run a secure server, and not have to pay some company to verify it .... without users having to click a warning every time they log in? |
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| 21:27.09 | Jenson | hi paul |
| 21:27.16 | cupis | hullo |
| 21:29.49 | murb | resuDaed: are these random people on the internet or local users in a closed institiion or somthing? |
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| 21:30.06 | murb | If you control your users computers you should be able to install your certificate. |
| 21:30.15 | Jenson | hey nasrat |
| 21:30.23 | nasrat | hi Jenson |
| 21:30.28 | resuDaed | murb : mostly closed people, but also will be some random usrs, ie new clients etc |
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| 21:31.07 | resuDaed | is there not a free certificate authority out there somewhere? |
| 21:31.13 | Leeds | dankolb: I'm trying to teach someone binary arithmatic... so I just sent him a copy of the New Math :-) |
| 21:31.19 | murb | OK first you should read up about openssl and creating CAs, there aresome tools to manage a CA that are freely avalible. |
| 21:31.24 | dankolb | :) |
| 21:31.29 | dankolb | But that's done in Base 8 |
| 21:31.58 | murb | Then you need to import your root cert onto your clients machines, someimtes it is as simple as having it installed on a httpable server and set the correct content-type |
| 21:32.08 | murb | and verifiy the fingerprint out of band. |
| 21:32.58 | murb | Jenson: you can't cound in binary with your fingers? |
| 21:33.20 | Jenson | murb: I have no reason to remember binary |
| 21:33.23 | Leeds | well, we've mentioned octal as well... he's had a *lot* of trouble getting his head around it... I've - seriously - been using a web page wrapped in <PRE><TT> as a whiteboard :-) |
| 21:33.25 | murb | create you can count to 1024 |
| 21:33.29 | murb | s/create/great/ |
| 21:34.04 | murb | or 1048576 if you still have all your fingers and toes. |
| 21:34.19 | Jenson | I think I can count to 1024 anyway |
| 21:34.37 | murb | on your fingers? |
| 21:34.56 | Jenson | nope |
| 21:34.59 | Leeds | murb: have you ever *met* Jenson? she's a freak! :-) |
| 21:35.07 | resuDaed | Jenson : with binary you can |
| 21:35.25 | resuDaed | just |
| 21:35.32 | Jenson | Leeds: Thanks hon |
| 21:35.44 | murb | Leeds: she can count to 4095 ? |
| 21:35.47 | murb | in binary |
| 21:35.49 | Leeds | Jenson: pleasure love :-) |
| 21:36.14 | Jenson | murb: You've met me havent you? |
| 21:36.38 | murb | Jenson: i'm just wondering howmany fingers you have that is all, i don't rember counting. |
| 21:36.39 | resuDaed | murb : but webmin runs on a secure connection without needing a certificate |
| 21:37.04 | murb | resuDaed: how do you prevent a Jenson in the middle attack? |
| 21:37.09 | resuDaed | s/certificate/authorised certificate |
| 21:37.17 | resuDaed | murb : lol |
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| 21:47.06 | Jenson | Time for bed, goodnight guys, take care. |
| 21:47.16 | skugg | night jenson |
| 21:47.21 | zachary | good night, sleep tight, and don't let the computer bugs bite. |
| 21:47.47 | zachary | good night as well. |
| 21:47.58 | Jenson | night skugg |
| 21:50.27 | Leeds | I really shouldn't be using the work octits with someone whose first language isn't English, should I? |
| 21:50.55 | skugg | do you mean the _word_ octits? :) |
| 21:51.26 | skugg | i, at least, would have to look it up, fwiw :) |
| 21:51.39 | Leeds | word, yeah |
| 21:51.43 | skugg | oh. dict doesn't have it either. |
| 21:51.57 | skugg | i'll bite: what does it mean? :} |
| 21:52.59 | Leeds | well, it's sort of made-up :-) |
| 21:54.12 | Leeds | I meant it as in octal digit |
| 21:54.15 | dankolb | octits? 8 breasts? |
| 21:54.38 | resuDaed | I have MySQL installed, what is the default password for root going to be? |
| 21:54.39 | Leeds | since a decimal number is a digit and a binary number is a bit, an octal number should be an octit, I think :-) |
| 21:54.59 | murb | resuDaed: default is no password |
| 21:55.28 | resuDaed | ERROR 1045: Access denied for user: 'root@localhost' (Using password: NO) |
| 21:55.38 | murb | to ste one do mysqladmin -u root password blah |
| 21:56.10 | murb | oh you'll have to load mysql without loading the authenication tables whateve google for mysql password recovery |
| 21:56.12 | Leeds | resuDaed: is this a distro-compiled mysql? |
| 21:56.19 | resuDaed | Leeds : yes, debian |
| 21:56.32 | Leeds | in which case there's a README.debian which might explain it |
| 21:56.36 | murb | then you'll be able to do mysql -u root mysql |
| 21:56.40 | Leeds | fscking distros messing with stuff |
| 21:56.42 | murb | Leeds: debian doesn't set default by default. |
| 21:56.50 | murb | s/default/password/ |
| 21:56.58 | Leeds | bloody debian freaks |
| 21:57.17 | cupis | resuDaed: you have to _set_ a root password, there is no default |
| 21:57.24 | resuDaed | root@brian:~# mysqladmin -u root password blah |
| 21:57.24 | resuDaed | mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed |
| 21:57.24 | resuDaed | error: 'Access denied for user: 'root@localhost' (Using password: NO)' |
| 21:57.36 | cupis | there is a Debian-maintenance login... |
| 21:57.54 | murb | cupis: that can't modify the mysql db |
| 21:58.10 | resuDaed | cupis : that has start/stop rights only iirc |
| 21:58.16 | cupis | ah, okay |
| 21:58.19 | murb | it is fairly trivial to stop mysql and then start it without the auth and change the table. |
| 21:58.29 | murb | since i don't do it everyway i rtfm |
| 21:58.33 | murb | s/way/day/ |
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| 22:00.21 | murb | that is just wrong. |
| 22:00.34 | murb | you've probably dropped or your databases now. |
| 22:00.43 | resuDaed | murb : didn't have any installed |
| 22:00.48 | murb | depending on what you said when you installed it. |
| 22:01.14 | resuDaed | I am setting up some web based admin stuff to test before it goes live on the real servers |
| 22:01.37 | murb | where are the real servers? |
| 22:02.46 | resuDaed | colo raq3 boxes somewhere |
| 22:02.58 | resuDaed | no idea where, I just know the host name & my login details |
| 22:03.13 | resuDaed | although there is no ssh into them, only telnet and they are on 2.2.16 kernels |
| 22:03.28 | murb | somewhere in the us? |
| 22:03.52 | resuDaed | 1 is in london |
| 22:03.58 | resuDaed | don't know where the other is |
| 22:04.06 | resuDaed | not my servers |
| 22:04.19 | Leeds | ugh, cobalt |
| 22:04.30 | resuDaed | Leeds : agreed |
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| 22:04.37 | resuDaed | but they do look nice |
| 22:04.49 | Leeds | you want Solaris 9 on the LX-50! :-) |
| 22:04.55 | murb | sun tried to sell us some.. |
| 22:05.17 | murb | does solaris 9 have usb support? |
| 22:05.21 | Leeds | some |
| 22:05.33 | Leeds | keyboard/mouse and audio (I think) at least |
| 22:05.35 | murb | keyboard and mouse? |
| 22:06.24 | murb | stupid work want to buy a sun storage array thing, for more than the cost of an equivilent netapp |
| 22:06.30 | Leeds | I'm pretty sure on keyboard and mouse... we've still got PS/2 on our test boxes... |
| 22:06.38 | Leeds | murb: excellent! :-) |
| 22:08.10 | Leeds | "it's not against any religion to want to dispose of a pidgeon" :-) |
| 22:10.26 | dankolb | :) |
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| 22:31.04 | resuDaed | is it possible to list all tables under mysql? |
| 22:31.48 | dankolb | show tables; |
| 22:32.45 | resuDaed | duh, I meant show databases |
| 22:33.09 | dankolb | ls /var/lib/mysql ? |
| 22:35.34 | resuDaed | so simple ... passthru("ls -l /var/lib/mysql") |
| 22:36.49 | dankolb | :) |
| 22:38.12 | resuDaed | is it possible to list in any way what databases & which users (MySQL users) have control over them? |
| 22:39.45 | dankolb | Yeah. Permissions are held in the root database |
| 22:39.53 | resuDaed | I am basically writing a web frontend for web-developers (we don't let them totally loose on our servers) so that they can add/delete databases |
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| 22:44.39 | murb | resuDaed: people tend to have the paranoid stuff turne on to prevent you doing thinsg like that.. |
| 22:55.35 | resuDaed | dankolb : show databases; |
| 22:55.36 | resuDaed | :-) |
| 22:55.41 | dankolb | :) |
| 22:56.20 | resuDaed | I now need a function that will take a string and split it into a variable line by line |
| 22:56.42 | dankolb | split? |
| 22:57.04 | resuDaed | if only life were that simple |
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| 22:59.53 | resuDaed | is a unix line ending a LF (ASCII:10) ? |
| 23:00.17 | dankolb | YEs |
| 23:02.27 | resuDaed | so the followinfg should work ... |
| 23:02.34 | resuDaed | str_replace(chr(10),"<hr>",passthru("ls -1 /var/lib/mysql")); |
| 23:02.55 | resuDaed | replacing all line-endings with <hr> |
| 23:03.45 | dankolb | Possibly |
| 23:04.54 | resuDaed | :-( doesn't work |
| 23:05.31 | dankolb | str_replace("\n","<hr>",...); |
| 23:05.32 | dankolb | ? |
| 23:07.04 | resuDaed | still nothing |
| 23:07.13 | dankolb | Bwah |
| 23:15.39 | murb | resuDaed: what are you trying to do? |
| 23:16.18 | resuDaed | murb ; split a string into an array using a line feed as delimeter (PHP) |
| 23:16.21 | davilion | is it an election in england on may1st? or just scotland? |
| 23:16.43 | dankolb | There might be local elections |
| 23:16.51 | davilion | its a biggy in scotland. |
| 23:17.10 | davilion | so i guess i'll have to go home and vote. didnt see any polling cards arrive this week down here. |
| 23:18.04 | eye69 | $array = split("\n", $input); |
| 23:18.05 | A4266 | dankolb : how can I check what programs I've got intalled on slack? (is trying to see if he has GLib) |
| 23:18.19 | dankolb | ls /var/log/packages |
| 23:18.25 | A4266 | cheers |
| 23:18.31 | dankolb | np |
| 23:18.55 | skugg | night. |
| 23:19.08 | Leeds | A4266: pkg-config --list-all |
| 23:19.14 | dankolb | nn |
| 23:19.15 | resuDaed | night skugg |
| 23:19.17 | A4266 | can ya now help me find out what libaries mc needs? :) |
| 23:19.23 | A4266 | night skugg |
| 23:19.48 | Leeds | ldd mc :-) |
| 23:20.15 | A4266 | no such file of direcory :/ |
| 23:21.39 | Leeds | do you have mc built and installed? |
| 23:22.26 | A4266 | its supoost to be as far as I know, but iy won't start as it can find libaries it needs. |
| 23:22.52 | Leeds | ldd `type mc` |
| 23:22.56 | A4266 | I'm also working on a server my bro setup so I don't know full what he put on here... |
| 23:23.00 | A4266 | thx |
| 23:23.03 | dankolb | night all |
| 23:23.24 | A4266 | night dan |
| 23:23.54 | A4266 | same thing Leeds ldd: ./type mc: No such file or directory :( |
| 23:24.18 | Leeds | is mc installed? |
| 23:24.27 | A4266 | I think I should start at the beginnig amd try reinstalling it |
| 23:24.29 | Leeds | where? |
| 23:25.00 | A4266 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:25.16 | A4266 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:25.32 | A4266 | I'm still very hazy an where things go :( |
| 23:25.36 | Leeds | so ls -l /usr/bin/mc |
| 23:25.59 | A4266 | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root bin 518084 May 12 2001 /usr/bin/mc* |
| 23:26.07 | Leeds | so ldd /usr/bin/mc |
| 23:26.08 | A4266 | looks like it was installed |
| 23:26.20 | A4266 | what does ldd actualy do? |
| 23:26.38 | A4266 | ahhh. I see!! |
| 23:26.46 | A4266 | it checks the libaries it uses!! |
| 23:27.00 | A4266 | so its missing this 1: libgpm.so.1 => not found |
| 23:27.04 | Leeds | ldd - on a recent Linux system - just turns on debug flags in the run-time linker to get it to display all the libraries it would link, and where it would find them |
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| 23:28.05 | A4266 | hmm... I don't it tells me where to find them... 1 sec. looking again |
| 23:28.44 | A4266 | ok, I think its suppost to be in either /usr/lib/ or /lib/ |
| 23:28.51 | Leeds | no... it tells you which libraries it would load and where it would find them - or if it can't find them. it doesn't tell you where to get them from if they're missing |
| 23:29.14 | A4266 | ahh. k Makes sencse :) |
| 23:29.44 | A4266 | next stupid question. Hoe do I install libgpm.so.1? |
| 23:30.04 | A4266 | *how |
| 23:30.50 | Leeds | /sbin/installpkg gpm |
| 23:31.46 | A4266 | thx :) |
| 23:32.16 | Leeds | working? |
| 23:32.25 | A4266 | hmm.. doesn't like it because it doesn't end in .tgz :( |
| 23:32.56 | Leeds | /sbin/installpkg gpm.tgz |
| 23:33.06 | Leeds | you need to *find* gpm.tgz first! |
| 23:33.21 | A4266 | hehe, k |
| 23:33.43 | Leeds | assuming you're on slack 9 (and why wouldn't you be?) ftp://ftp.mirror.ac.uk/sites/ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-9.0/slackware/a/gpm-1.19.6-i386-5.tgz |
| 23:35.08 | A4266 | lol, I'm not :( Its my bro's old server he setup a little why back (date on mc install may 2001) Its slack 8.1 I believe |
| 23:36.12 | Leeds | then go hunting around that site for it - better you than me... |
| 23:36.21 | A4266 | heh, :) |
| 23:37.41 | A4266 | b4 I load the wrong version gpm, how can I make sure it slack 8.1? |
| 23:37.53 | A4266 | *is |
| 23:37.57 | A4266 | On the server that is |
| 23:38.01 | Leeds | get it from the slack 8.1 directory? :-) |
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| 23:38.53 | A4266 | better say that 1 again :) I know I'm inthe slack directory and I have the file, but I gotta know that I am running slack. HOw do I find that out? |
| 23:39.08 | A4266 | *slack 8.1 |
| 23:39.28 | Leeds | cat /etc/slackware-version |
| 23:39.39 | A4266 | doh |
| 23:39.53 | murb | echo redhat 8.0 >/etc/slackware-version |
| 23:39.56 | A4266 | arg, even worse, 8.0 :/ |
| 23:42.01 | A4266 | ok, looks like its installed. now to test mc,.. |
| 23:42.09 | A4266 | Sweet!! :D |
| 23:42.16 | A4266 | thx Leeds :D |
| 23:42.55 | Leeds | sure |
| 23:53.04 | resuDaed | dankolb : you still tehre? |
| 23:53.37 | A4266 | I think he's left... |
| 23:54.17 | resuDaed | A4266 : maybe you can appreciate this code then, crude but effective |
| 23:54.19 | resuDaed | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:54.19 | resuDaed | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:54.19 | resuDaed | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:54.19 | resuDaed | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:54.19 | resuDaed | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:54.20 | resuDaed | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:54.22 | resuDaed | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:54.24 | resuDaed | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:54.36 | A4266 | sorry, its all greek to me :P |
| 23:54.46 | A4266 | 'cept for /var/lib/mysql |
| 23:54.50 | resuDaed | lol |
| 23:55.18 | resuDaed | it takes a string ($dbls), and puts it into an array line by line |
| 23:55.20 | A4266 | thats all I can understand of it :P |
| 23:55.29 | resuDaed | is PHP |
| 23:55.47 | Leeds | hmm... it's full of unreadable punctuation - try writing it in Python so *other* people can read it :-P |
| 23:55.55 | A4266 | what type of string? |
| 23:55.57 | resuDaed | Leeds :-P |
| 23:55.59 | A4266 | lol |
| 23:56.06 | resuDaed | A4266 : nylon |
| 23:56.21 | A4266 | lo |
| 23:56.23 | A4266 | *lol |
| 23:56.28 | A4266 | not hemp? :P |
| 23:56.34 | resuDaed | it needs cleaning up *a lot* |
| 23:56.45 | resuDaed | but it's working, enough for now |
| 23:57.04 | A4266 | hehe :) |