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| 08:05.47 | dpash | hi all |
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| 08:18.01 | dank_work | Morning |
| 08:24.56 | dpash | hi dank_work |
| 08:25.28 | zachary | morning dank_work |
| 08:33.01 | dank_work | How's it all going? |
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| 08:45.11 | cup | morning |
| 08:45.35 | dank_work | Hi |
| 09:02.49 | dpash | hi teaset |
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| 09:07.01 | dpash | hi stig |
| 09:08.49 | skugg | hi dave |
| 09:09.20 | skugg | how's things? |
| 09:10.26 | skugg | i'm trying to find a reliable source for what programming languages are more popular in the free software world... I'm guessing C, C++ and Java |
| 09:13.51 | dpash | bah |
| 09:14.05 | dpash | C/perl/C++/python, shell |
| 09:14.19 | dpash | not much java |
| 09:14.42 | skugg | yeah, but I don't consider scripting like perl/shell/python... |
| 09:15.06 | skugg | those languages are not so good for what I'm going to do (afaik) |
| 09:15.48 | dpash | skugg: don't be languagist |
| 09:16.34 | skugg | hey, I'm not. I'm regularly programming in shell and trying to learn perl. it's just not the thing for this stuff. |
| 09:16.50 | skugg | i should have said that it's for creating a library. |
| 09:16.53 | dank_work | There's some Java... |
| 09:16.55 | dank_work | Hi skugg |
| 09:17.01 | skugg | (i know you can make perl modules, but ...) |
| 09:17.04 | skugg | hi dan |
| 09:17.16 | dpash | and python |
| 09:17.30 | dank_work | No Fortran, though :( |
| 09:17.31 | skugg | dpash, i assumed so, but I didn't know. |
| 09:19.07 | skugg | what I want is to identify the most popular languages used when programming games. then, I need to find a way of justifying why I chose to write my library in C. |
| 09:19.51 | dpash | oh and frozen-bubble |
| 09:20.15 | skugg | dpash, i said "most popular" not "the only languages possible to write games in" |
| 09:20.25 | skugg | i know of frozen-bubble. |
| 09:20.50 | dpash | skugg: and I'm saying that you shouldn't have preconceived ideas about what language you are going to use |
| 09:21.29 | dpash | use the best langauge for the job, not the one you want to use |
| 09:22.02 | skugg | okay, IMO, that again leaves us with C. |
| 09:22.36 | skugg | almost all game-tree search implementation is written in C or C++ -- there's a lot of computation in there that craves for speed. |
| 09:23.25 | skugg | i'm just trying to come up with more arguments. |
| 09:23.28 | dank_work | 3D game in Perl, anyone? :) |
| 09:24.01 | dank_work | Portability? With ASM it'll work on most PCs. Is there anything else? ;-) |
| 09:24.14 | skugg | dank_work, surely that use a perl module (probably written in C / C++)? |
| 09:24.43 | dank_work | Mebbe |
| 09:26.39 | skugg | i've used Perl to write my pseudo-code; i found perl to be a nice language to write this in because it has a lot of operators that describe intent (foreach, unless etc.). it has the nice property that people can look up my pseudo-code operators in a perl manual should they not understand them ;) |
| 09:38.13 | dpash | skugg: so move stuff to XS if you need speed |
| 09:38.24 | skugg | xs? |
| 09:38.56 | skugg | never heard of. |
| 09:41.29 | skugg | over to something completely different... |
| 09:41.56 | skugg | dpash, you've managed to become a dd yet? |
| 10:11.03 | dpash | not yet |
| 10:11.14 | dpash | waiting to finish essay before doing more debian work |
| 10:11.33 | dank_work | parts? |
| 10:11.36 | dank_work | or larts? |
| 10:11.47 | dpash | just connected to a clients win2k web server for like a year and found nearly 50 odd popup spams |
| 10:11.49 | dank_work | What's Linux's NTFS write support like these days? |
| 10:14.37 | murb | dank: try asking in has #ntfs or even better, read their faq |
| 10:15.03 | dank_work | Okay |
| 10:15.32 | murb | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:15.45 | dank_work | Thank'ee :) |
| 10:18.00 | dank_work | Well, that answers my question. I'm not going to use it. |
| 10:18.02 | dank_work | :( |
| 10:18.12 | dank_work | Risk of data corruption is far too high |
| 10:19.49 | dpash | dank_work: getting better aiui |
| 10:20.05 | dpash | god this managed server is not very well secured |
| 10:20.21 | dpash | ports open all over the place |
| 10:21.56 | dank_work | Getting better very very slowly, according to the FAQ, because the developers are only doing it in their spare time, and NTFS is a complex beast |
| 10:22.45 | dpash | indeed and isn;t as good as MS made it out to be |
| 10:22.55 | dpash | they claimed no fragmentation |
| 10:23.10 | dpash | but look at diskkeeper |
| 10:23.26 | dpash | and the fact that win2k comes with a defrager |
| 10:24.16 | dpash | you can't defrag the MFT or the swap file |
| 10:24.34 | dpash | lump of tard |
| 10:24.41 | dpash | turd |
| 10:24.49 | dank_work | A lot of things aren't as good as MS made them out to be |
| 10:24.55 | dank_work | But NTFS isn't crap :) |
| 10:25.56 | dpash | no, but iirc it isn't journalling either |
| 10:26.06 | dpash | data journalling at least |
| 10:27.10 | dank_work | True |
| 10:27.48 | dank_work | I think they use a different method to try and maintain data |
| 10:31.16 | skugg | i've got to get offline... gotta save my wrists for report-writing. |
| 10:31.19 | skugg | bye all. |
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| 11:14.08 | highbury | afternoon |
| 11:16.43 | Stephen | afternoon highbury |
| 11:19.01 | zachary | afternoon highbury |
| 11:19.14 | highbury | I've a rather annoying crash which is occasionally affecting me, if I goto http://www.adslguide.org.uk/tools/speedtest.asp and let it run its Java app, my machine freezes, no mouse keyboard or anything, I have to powercycle it |
| 11:19.51 | zachary | suse 8.2? |
| 11:20.30 | highbury | yep :-/ |
| 11:22.16 | zachary | mandy 9.1 can load the page but not the applet. |
| 11:22.25 | zachary | no freeze |
| 11:23.11 | highbury | its the applet which seems to do it, either that or its something to do with the serial-usb adsl connection, I've just finally got working |
| 11:28.52 | highbury | but I am getting 114K bytes/sec..... which is nice |
| 11:33.01 | dpash | applet does not load here |
| 11:33.05 | dpash | just goes on and on |
| 11:34.09 | dpash | same on IE6 |
| 11:34.17 | highbury | I'm off to shops now catch you later |
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| 11:34.35 | dpash | how is sunny Leeds? |
| 11:34.53 | Davilion | hello |
| 11:35.16 | dpash | and it is usually when you are not there |
| 11:35.33 | dank_work | Hi Davilion |
| 11:35.59 | Davilion | hi dan how was your trip? |
| 11:36.18 | dank_work | 'twas good fun |
| 11:37.29 | Davilion | cool. |
| 11:39.06 | dank_work | A bit cold, but that's what you get |
| 11:39.19 | dank_work | Some of the snow was already starting to melt, though, so some of the runs were closed |
| 11:43.02 | Davilion | heheh. |
| 11:43.28 | dank_work | But a lot were open, so it wasn't too bad :) |
| 11:43.32 | Davilion | hmm, silly question, but.... If i want to stop other users looking at each others home directories, is there any reason i shouldnt chmod g-r /home/* ? |
| 11:43.54 | dank_work | Nope |
| 11:43.56 | Stephen | I just chmod 700 their home dir |
| 11:44.07 | Davilion | i dont want jo blogs being able to look at fred smiths data. |
| 11:54.26 | zachary | need to go to the store, bbl |
| 11:56.10 | dpash | was there ever a recent rerun of the mindcraft tests? |
| 11:57.32 | dank_work | Nope |
| 11:57.47 | dank_work | Why should there be? Everyone knows that IIS is much faster than Apache ;-) |
| 11:58.29 | dpash | for recent 2.4 kernels or even 2.5 |
| 11:58.42 | dank_work | :) |
| 11:59.41 | dpash | just reading IT week |
| 11:59.51 | dpash | claiming win2003 is faster |
| 12:00.51 | dank_work | Win2003? |
| 12:01.00 | dpash | .Net server |
| 12:01.05 | dank_work | It might well be faster in some circumstances |
| 12:01.31 | dpash | file serving |
| 12:01.59 | dpash | IT week are still claiming 15-16April for Birmingham show |
| 12:02.29 | dank_work | *mumble* *mumble* |
| 12:02.47 | dpash | yep |
| 12:02.50 | dpash | lots |
| 12:03.10 | dank_work | I wouldn't be surprised if Windows <--> Windows file serving is faster than using Samba. At least sometimes |
| 12:03.21 | dank_work | Well, just none of the cards that I use |
| 12:03.45 | Stephen | find an old, bog standard card then |
| 12:09.30 | dank_work | This is in a rack-mounted server with built-in card. Handy with a soldering iron? |
| 12:11.05 | dank_work | Bah. It didn't detect on setup, but seemed to work now after it had been installed. |
| 12:11.09 | dank_work | *mutter* |
| 12:12.05 | Stephen | *mutter* why the heck are you still using NT4? |
| 12:16.48 | dank_work | Why not? :) |
| 12:17.10 | dank_work | The machine's a few years old - NT4 database server |
| 12:17.19 | dank_work | Which we don't have the Administrator password for |
| 12:20.43 | Davilion | what do people here use instead of ftp? |
| 12:20.50 | Davilion | preferably that windows users can use. |
| 12:21.05 | Davilion | im not really over enthusiastic about having my htmlers broadcast their passwords to the world. |
| 12:21.51 | dank_work | WinSCP |
| 12:22.19 | dank_work | But it requires people to have SSH logins enabled on your machine |
| 12:30.51 | Davilion | Yeah, they have ssh, but nothing else so far :) |
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| 12:31.27 | dank_work | That's all you need |
| 12:31.29 | dank_work | Hi Paul |
| 12:31.50 | nasrat | Hi dank_work |
| 12:33.12 | Davilion | yes, im going to give this a bash and see how they get on. |
| 12:33.34 | dank_work | http://compsoc.dur.ac.uk/whitespace/ |
| 12:34.00 | Stephen | yer, saw that, it's cool, isn't it |
| 12:34.39 | dank_work | It is. And stack-based too. Like Forth :) |
| 12:36.03 | Davilion | ok, if i have /sbin/fdisk -l /dev/hda|grep swap|awk '{print $1}' to tell me what swap partition should be mounted as swap |
| 12:36.40 | Davilion | and i want to change /etc/fstab's swap entry to agree with that. What would be the best way of doing so? |
| 12:37.16 | dank_work | Why use awk when you can use cut? |
| 12:37.29 | Davilion | because theres 148 machines. |
| 12:37.40 | Davilion | a certain clueless iss member mangled the fstabs. |
| 12:38.57 | Davilion | i was thinking that first, i #out the swap entry then i add a new one in. |
| 12:39.03 | Davilion | but im sure i could do it in one line. |
| 12:39.14 | dank_work | cat /etc/fstab | sed -e "s*`grep swap /etc/fstab | cut -f 1 -d ' '`*`sudo /sbin/fdisk -l /dev/hda|grep swap|awk '{print $1}'`*g" |
| 12:39.29 | dank_work | (you can ommit 'sudo') |
| 12:39.55 | dank_work | And you might want to pipe it to fstab.new |
| 12:40.18 | dank_work | cat /etc/fstab | sed ... > /etc/fstab.new ; mv /etc/fstab.new /etc/fstab |
| 12:41.06 | dank_work | So, say: |
| 12:42.07 | dank_work | cat /etc/fstab | sed -e "s*`grep swap /etc/fstab | awk '{print $1}'`*`/sbin/fdisk -l /dev/hda | grep swap |awk '{print $1}'`*g" > fstab.new && mv fstab.new /etc/fstab |
| 12:42.12 | dank_work | How's that for a 1-liner? |
| 12:42.16 | Davilion | niiiiiiiiiice |
| 12:42.25 | Davilion | dan, its twisted, convoluted and beautiful |
| 12:43.23 | Davilion | so what your doing is first grepping /etc/fstab for the swap line, removing the /dev/foo part, then inserting the real one, writing the result to fstab.new, then copying fstab.new to fstab yes? |
| 12:43.30 | dank_work | Yup |
| 12:43.44 | dank_work | Won't work if you have more than one swap partition on /dev/hda, mind |
| 12:44.12 | Davilion | shouldnt do :) |
| 12:44.39 | dank_work | :) |
| 12:46.20 | Davilion | oooh dan, guyess what i got at the weekend? |
| 12:46.43 | dank_work | Something to make me jealous? |
| 12:46.53 | Davilion | no, nothing sexual. |
| 12:47.07 | Davilion | although its very sexy. |
| 12:47.19 | dank_work | Nice hardware makes me jealous too... |
| 12:47.26 | Davilion | heheh |
| 12:47.35 | Davilion | yeah its really cool, need to find my cf reader and install open zaurus on it |
| 12:47.35 | dank_work | Meh. I wasn't so impressed with the Zeurii |
| 12:47.37 | dank_work | *Zaurii |
| 12:49.05 | Davilion | its got its good poijnts, and its bad points |
| 12:49.10 | Davilion | but for 200 im not complaining |
| 12:49.19 | Davilion | it looks very sexy in the car |
| 12:49.33 | dank_work | Is it a bird-puller? :) |
| 12:50.24 | Davilion | no, but it the gps maps look swanky on it. |
| 12:50.37 | Davilion | i've not tried it as a burd puller yet. although... |I've not had much chance. |
| 12:51.47 | dank_work | :) |
| 12:51.52 | dank_work | I like my Psion5. |
| 12:52.02 | dank_work | Maybe I should get another CF card for it, and try Linux |
| 12:52.10 | dank_work | Or preferably NetBSD, if it works |
| 13:02.30 | dank_work | Meeting |
| 13:04.59 | dpash | hi all |
| 13:06.01 | Davilion | hi dpash |
| 13:06.28 | dpash | have been juggling for the last 30 minutes |
| 13:13.47 | Davilion | juggling eggs? or servers? users? or for fun? |
| 13:13.55 | dpash | Mills Mess, fantastic pattern |
| 13:14.05 | dpash | balls |
| 13:14.18 | dpash | well thuds mostly, but a few minutes with tennis balls |
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| 13:47.03 | roseof | i've got a dual boot redhat8/openbsd box. Openbsd partitions are not mounted at boot time on linux nor they have an entry in linux fstab, can mondo backup linux and openbsd? |
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| 13:47.33 | highbury | <sigh> another crash |
| 13:48.41 | SpudUAway | What crashed? |
| 13:49.27 | highbury | my machine keeps freezing, mouse and keyboard stop responding, then I have to power cycle it |
| 13:49.59 | SpudUAway | Urgh, what's it running? SuSE 8.2??? |
| 13:50.02 | highbury | I suspect it *may* be either java or my serial usb adsl device |
| 13:50.08 | highbury | 8.2 |
| 13:50.18 | SpudUAway | But you don't think it's to blame#? |
| 13:58.50 | dank_work | Blah |
| 14:00.28 | dank_work | Get the sun JRE? |
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| 14:04.44 | Davilion | hmm some strange man just walked in, lookewd at me then walked out again |
| 14:05.04 | resuDaed | sorry Dav, was probably me :-) |
| 14:06.41 | dank_work | Heh |
| 14:07.04 | resuDaed | Davilion : have you ever successfully set up lm-sensors? |
| 14:07.07 | Davilion | yes |
| 14:07.24 | resuDaed | does something need to be included in the kernel to do so? |
| 14:07.44 | resuDaed | (because I seem to be having very little luck locaing modules) |
| 14:10.13 | Davilion | yes, you need to erm, download i2c package which has more modules, and also lm-sensors package, |
| 14:10.27 | Davilion | then you need to run progrs/makenodes or something or another inside the i2c/sensors dir= |
| 14:10.32 | Davilion | then you run sensors-detect |
| 14:11.10 | resuDaed | ok |
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| 14:11.20 | resuDaed | afternoon jenson |
| 14:11.26 | jenson | hey resuDaed |
| 14:11.28 | Davilion | any reason why i can't chmod a-w /etc/fstab? |
| 14:11.36 | Davilion | will that stop root writing to it without forcing it? |
| 14:11.57 | dank_work | Yeah |
| 14:12.16 | jenson | hey Davilion |
| 14:12.18 | jenson | hey Dan |
| 14:12.26 | dank_work | hii |
| 14:12.29 | Davilion | hi jenson |
| 14:15.17 | resuDaed | Davilion : do you know where I can get a copy (downloads from site are @ 0.3kB/s) |
| 14:16.37 | Davilion | sourceforge methinks. |
| 14:18.17 | resuDaed | SF.net: Our search servers are currently experiencing high load. Please try your search again later. |
| 14:23.40 | highbury | Davilion: /etc/fstab should be 644 |
| 14:23.53 | jenson | Well I better get off my arse, I've got work to do |
| 14:23.56 | jenson | seeya later guys |
| 14:24.00 | dank_work | Bah. Bloody useless Microsoft website. Nothing there about resetting an NT password |
| 14:24.07 | dank_work | Back to registry hacking :( |
| 14:24.12 | highbury | but can't stop root overwriting it |
| 14:24.41 | highbury | unless you start adding the selinux stuff |
| 14:25.20 | resuDaed | grr ... found a mirror @ 0.9kB/s |
| 14:25.54 | Davilion | hmm |
| 14:26.08 | highbury | resuDaed: what you looking for? |
| 14:26.14 | Davilion | is there anyway to make it more dificult for root to write to it, there are far too many people with root access and they are crap shell scvripters |
| 14:26.36 | highbury | why do they all need root access? |
| 14:27.14 | Davilion | something todo with chimps and tea parties |
| 14:27.17 | Davilion | and beaurocracy |
| 14:27.20 | Davilion | one root to add users |
| 14:27.24 | highbury | selinux patches as explained at the last gllug meeting will help |
| 14:27.25 | Davilion | one root to fsck up nfs..... |
| 14:27.35 | resuDaed | lm-sensors tarball |
| 14:27.38 | Davilion | another root to play with globus......... |
| 14:27.57 | Davilion | its just ridiculas, they have 5 admins doing what would take one competent addmin half the time to do |
| 14:28.02 | resuDaed | i2c tarball |
| 14:29.14 | highbury | perhaps, I could offer my Audit services :-) |
| 14:30.03 | highbury | I presume you don't have any change management either? |
| 14:30.57 | Davilion | www.twonkle.com/i2c-2.7.0.tar.gz |
| 14:31.01 | highbury | resuDaed: just go to definitive download location and suck it up |
| 14:31.12 | Davilion | www.twonkle.com/lm_sensors-2.7.0.tar.gz |
| 14:31.24 | resuDaed | ty Davilion |
| 14:32.22 | highbury | hmmm, Blackdown 1.4.1 |
| 14:32.55 | Clyphox | re |
| 14:33.05 | resuDaed | afternoon again Clyphox |
| 14:33.14 | Clyphox | Hiya resuDaed |
| 14:33.20 | Clyphox | NetBSD rocks |
| 14:35.16 | dank_work | It does :) |
| 14:35.50 | Clyphox | Hi Dan! |
| 14:35.55 | Clyphox | Nice to see you. |
| 14:36.11 | Clyphox | Have a nice holiday? Break any legs? |
| 14:36.28 | Clyphox | Shag any Belgian babes? |
| 14:37.29 | dank_work | I was in Canada. And no, didn't shag anyone |
| 14:37.37 | dank_work | Didn't break anything either |
| 14:37.54 | resuDaed | bit of a disappointment then ... no scars to remember it by |
| 14:38.27 | Clyphox | I never get scars from shaging.. |
| 14:38.36 | Clyphox | Ohh .. my bad |
| 14:39.06 | dank_work | :) |
| 14:39.07 | Clyphox | Can anyone dcc me /etc/rc.d/rc.sshd quickly? |
| 14:39.11 | Clyphox | Need to generate my key files on netbsd |
| 14:39.27 | dank_work | Don't you have that file? |
| 14:39.42 | Clyphox | dunno.. /me looks |
| 14:40.32 | Clyphox | nope |
| 14:44.09 | Clyphox | anyone? |
| 14:44.26 | dpash | Clyphox: I can give you a debian file |
| 14:44.47 | Clyphox | dpash: thanks but nm.. |
| 14:45.02 | Clyphox | I should rtfm anyway |
| 14:45.28 | dank_work | GRRRRRRRRR |
| 14:45.38 | dpash | what? |
| 14:45.41 | dank_work | Just want to change a bloody NT Administrator password |
| 14:45.47 | dank_work | (which is lost) |
| 14:45.57 | dank_work | So, have to install another copy of NT (done that) |
| 14:46.00 | dpash | dank_work: there is a bootable linux distro which will do that for you |
| 14:46.13 | dpash | you can boot it and change admin password |
| 14:46.14 | dank_work | Then need to install the Resource Kit. Which needs Service Pack 5+ and IE 4+ |
| 14:46.18 | dank_work | ibot lart dpash |
| 14:46.28 | dpash | could save you tiem reloading |
| 14:46.29 | dank_work | I'm not touching Linux NTFS with a long bargepole |
| 14:46.36 | dpash | dank_work: it works |
| 14:46.39 | dank_work | Not on a 'production' quality |
| 14:46.44 | dank_work | s/quality/server/ |
| 14:46.45 | nasrat | http://home.eunet.no/~pnordahl/ntpasswd/ |
| 14:46.57 | dpash | dank_work: are you going to be reinstalling? |
| 14:47.15 | nasrat | dank_work: the 2.5 stuff is greatly improved with some evilness |
| 14:49.10 | dank_work | Yeah - I've looked. |
| 14:51.40 | dpash | do you not know any admin users? |
| 14:51.58 | nasrat | dank_work: if it's unpatched can't you r00t the box :) |
| 14:52.21 | dank_work | Heh :) Not that easily, I don't think. |
| 14:52.29 | dank_work | I will be the Admin user |
| 14:52.40 | nasrat | dank_work: 2k or nt 4 |
| 14:52.49 | dank_work | NT4 |
| 14:53.37 | nasrat | what sp level? |
| 14:53.58 | dank_work | Just installed SP6 |
| 14:54.16 | nasrat | hmm so it'll still have the ntdll bug and stuff, do you run any services? |
| 14:55.14 | dank_work | Some database. |
| 14:55.22 | dank_work | SQLServer 7 |
| 14:55.39 | dpash | sa/ nul password |
| 14:56.13 | nasrat | xp_cmdshell |
| 14:56.50 | nasrat | http://www.nextgenss.com/ has lots of sql stuff - David Litchfield |
| 15:18.10 | resuDaed | grrr ... my i2c is too old (2.7.0) requires 2.7.0 or greater (??) |
| 15:19.12 | dank_work | Good boy |
| 15:20.11 | resuDaed | which box I shall install to, I don't yet know |
| 15:20.19 | Clyphox | netbsd is fun |
| 15:20.27 | Clyphox | I can't wait to install quake3 now |
| 15:21.20 | Clyphox | dank_work: can you close windows off in irssi ? |
| 15:23.44 | dank_work | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:24.47 | Clyphox | ohh |
| 15:25.00 | dank_work | Does that help :) |
| 15:25.31 | Clyphox | yup |
| 15:25.34 | Clyphox | I think |
| 15:26.02 | Clyphox | :-) success |
| 15:26.05 | dank_work | :) |
| 15:26.17 | Clyphox | dank_work: I want netbsd on my server now btw.. |
| 15:26.46 | Clyphox | The porst tree actually works too.. I've not had 1 problem yet after two days solid compiling :-) |
| 15:26.54 | Clyphox | er ports |
| 15:27.49 | dank_work | Same with most BSDs :) |
| 15:28.25 | Clyphox | Well I had many programs that were broken on OBSD.. |
| 15:28.38 | Clyphox | and not a single one with NetBSD so far |
| 15:28.50 | dank_work | The ones I tried with O didn't break |
| 15:29.09 | Clyphox | Well I think it was the qmail one.. |
| 15:29.17 | Clyphox | (not like its hard to compile by hand) |
| 15:29.29 | Clyphox | And then the popa3d one too |
| 15:29.43 | dank_work | You should compile qmail by hand because it needs patches to be useful :) |
| 15:29.46 | dank_work | Or write your own mail server |
| 15:30.16 | Clyphox | I like postfix.. but need to read more atm.. |
| 15:39.47 | dank_work | yeh |
| 15:54.43 | Clyphox | netbsd beroot time.. bbiam |
| 15:57.26 | dank_work | :) |
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| 16:03.12 | dank_work | Boinggggggg! |
| 16:03.25 | dank_work | Finally the piece of shit works |
| 16:03.38 | jenson | hey Dan well done |
| 16:10.03 | dank_work | Urgh. Hopefully SQLServer won't screw up on changing IP address |
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| 16:18.47 | zachary | good evening. |
| 16:19.05 | jenson | hey zachary |
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| 16:35.14 | zachary | evening highbury |
| 16:36.01 | highbury | damned machine just crashed again! I *think* this may be unrelated to jre, but I get no diagnostics and no messages. Just mouse stops working, and caps-lock light won't come on. :-( |
| 16:38.26 | dpash | highbury: are you on a network? |
| 16:38.29 | dpash | can you ping it? |
| 16:38.34 | dpash | can you ssh to it? |
| 16:39.30 | highbury | dpash, that's my next step, when it crashes next |
| 16:39.58 | resuDaed | bbl, moving computer |
| 16:40.23 | dpash | bbl bike ride followed by essay writing |
| 16:41.29 | highbury | meanwhile, I have to do some work in Windows, so I report more later. however, its been many years since I've had such problems. |
| 16:42.08 | zachary | highbury: consider suse memory test? |
| 16:42.11 | highbury | oh whoopee, DirectX9.0a needs installing |
| 16:43.01 | highbury | memory test is unlikely to pick up problems in install. I have run it a couple of months ago. BTW. its actually contributed by SGI |
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| 17:38.02 | Clyphox | resuDaed: Any luck? |
| 17:38.31 | resuDaed | Clyphox : had to leave it for time being, dignosing network probs atm |
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| 17:38.48 | Clyphox | no problem |
| 17:39.08 | resuDaed | got a 100Mbit link to gollum, but gollum can only hit 2kB/s internet speeds |
| 17:41.09 | Clyphox | hehe |
| 17:41.47 | resuDaed | testing if a direct (non-proxied) internet connection works better |
| 17:45.52 | Clyphox | I'm setting up apache/php/mysql and my website |
| 17:46.02 | Clyphox | Then DNS and prices and my nVidia so I can kick some Urbanterror arse |
| 17:46.54 | resuDaed | lol |
| 17:47.10 | resuDaed | I am building my own version of webmin |
| 17:47.36 | resuDaed | don't ask |
| 17:47.53 | resuDaed | business venture (still open source, just I sell support) |
| 17:48.28 | resuDaed | basically plug'n'play servers |
| 17:49.03 | resuDaed | am thinking whether or not to run netBSD on them ... only thing is I want to put a tux badge on them |
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| 17:51.24 | resuDaed | Clyphox : btw, my box has been running for 16 hours now, gone through 2 kernel compiles and half an hour of unreal tournament ... didn't reboot :-) |
| 17:52.33 | dpash | hmmm no bike ride |
| 17:52.58 | Clyphox | resuDaed: congrats |
| 17:53.24 | dpash | resuDaed: how can you put a tux badge on tehm if they are not running linux? |
| 17:53.37 | resuDaed | Clyphox : I think it was the fact that your hose was that couple of degrees hotter |
| 17:53.50 | resuDaed | dpash : thats why I am thinking of not installing netBSD |
| 17:54.11 | dpash | I see no problem with linux |
| 17:54.23 | dpash | does the job well enough |
| 17:57.03 | Clyphox | the liscense is a bit funny |
| 17:58.47 | resuDaed | Clyphox : tahts my issue, I am going to be ripping source from a great many progams under the gnu license, I may have to do some reading |
| 17:59.17 | Clyphox | Try the LGPL liscense maybe |
| 17:59.40 | Clyphox | It allows usesage of its code under *BSD liscences iirc |
| 17:59.43 | resuDaed | anyway, I need a proto up and running, will run debian to begin with (486 so compiling will be a headache) |
| 18:00.00 | Clyphox | proto? |
| 18:00.05 | Clyphox | protopkg? |
| 18:00.14 | resuDaed | prototype, ie dummy run |
| 18:00.33 | resuDaed | a headless almost silent box |
| 18:01.03 | resuDaed | if it works out, I will probably use it as a router |
| 18:01.59 | resuDaed | but first I need to find myself another network card (no hub atm so some fun with packet forwarding) |
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| 18:03.19 | resuDaed | Clyphox : how much did you pay for your monitor switchbox? |
| 18:03.35 | resuDaed | or how much would I pay? |
| 18:03.37 | Clyphox | dunno.. |
| 18:03.52 | Clyphox | About 15 Plus a fiver for both cables I think |
| 18:04.03 | Clyphox | Ask Alex now.. he might co operate |
| 18:05.00 | resuDaed | he has one? |
| 18:05.27 | resuDaed | actually, I may just move my prinet and have 2 monitors for the time being |
| 18:06.01 | Clyphox | I mean Alex might be able to get it thu Duplications if you want |
| 18:06.16 | resuDaed | ah |
| 18:06.37 | resuDaed | I like this box, it puts the bios posts on an led display on the front of the box |
| 18:09.21 | dpash | bye people |
| 18:09.29 | resuDaed | laters dpash |
| 18:10.37 | Clyphox | cya |
| 18:14.30 | resuDaed | for some reason mount /floppy fails because it cannot determin filesystem type |
| 18:15.37 | resuDaed | in kernel config, DOS based filesystems are modularized ... any idea what the module names would be? |
| 18:16.06 | resuDaed | msdos :-) |
| 18:16.31 | resuDaed | I'll shutup now |
| 18:21.46 | Stephen | :P |
| 18:23.02 | highbury | modprobe vfat ? |
| 18:34.31 | resuDaed | eye69 : if you are around, I am downloading your debian iso limited @ 45kB/s |
| 18:36.46 | Clyphox | resuDaed: how do you throttle your downloads? |
| 18:37.25 | resuDaed | wget -c --limit-rate=*k (kBytes/sec) |
| 18:37.37 | Clyphox | kewl |
| 18:38.14 | resuDaed | I am doing it now a) so people don't complain about lack of internet, and b) I don't want to abuse eye69s server |
| 18:39.03 | Clyphox | that reminds me.. |
| 18:39.04 | resuDaed | this 486 I am working on is lovely, all that is on the m/board are ram slots, a processor and 6 ISA slots |
| 18:39.06 | Clyphox | # cd /usr/pkgsrc/net/wget |
| 18:39.06 | Clyphox | # make |
| 18:39.11 | resuDaed | lol |
| 18:39.20 | resuDaed | apt-get install wget |
| 18:39.58 | Clyphox | cd /usr/pkgsrc/net/wget ; make |
| 18:40.05 | resuDaed | :-) |
| 18:40.52 | resuDaed | similar princliple though, you run it, it works for your system ... great isn't it |
| 18:41.25 | resuDaed | Clyphox : do yo have the filter for your HP laser jet (the one that allows you to print ps) |
| 18:41.41 | resuDaed | I am bored of printing text |
| 18:41.45 | Clyphox | Ghost script? |
| 18:42.10 | Clyphox | a2ps? |
| 18:42.11 | resuDaed | no, the filter that lpd uses, does it not need to be set up to interpret ps jobs? |
| 18:42.26 | Clyphox | lpd can use GS filters.. |
| 18:42.26 | resuDaed | I have it setup to translate CRLFs |
| 18:42.59 | Clyphox | install webmin and setup a GS filtered driver and see how it works I suppose (easiest way) |
| 18:43.09 | resuDaed | I need to find this network card (will be eth2 :-) |
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| 18:43.30 | Clyphox | Hi Jenson |
| 18:43.37 | Jenson | hey Clyphox |
| 18:44.37 | resuDaed | hey Jenson |
| 18:45.46 | Jenson | hey resuDaed |
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| 19:14.37 | Jenson | wb zachary |
| 19:14.42 | resuDaed_ | does anyone know, can I use grub (on a floppy) to bott from a cd on a 486 (ie before bioses were able to detect cdroms) |
| 19:15.06 | resuDaed_ | Jenson : that was a 'netsplit' |
| 19:15.20 | Jenson | of 1 person? |
| 19:15.43 | resuDaed_ | yep |
| 19:15.43 | Jenson | heh |
| 19:15.43 | Jenson | how am i meant to know with 1 person lol |
| 19:15.43 | resuDaed_ | -:- BitchX: Press ^F to see who left to change to [irc.freenode.net] |
| 19:15.43 | resuDaed_ | .----- Who ---------------------- Channel--- Server ------------- Seconds |
| 19:15.43 | resuDaed_ | | zachary!~zachary@host217-35- #gllug irc.freenode.net 51 |
| 19:15.43 | resuDaed_ | -:- Netjoined: irc.freenode.net leguin.freenode.net |
| 19:15.43 | resuDaed_ | -:- zachary [~zachary@host217-35-26-235.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined |
| 19:15.43 | resuDaed_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:16.00 | resuDaed_ | zachary had his own server :-) |
| 19:18.30 | zachary | evening resuDaed_ |
| 19:18.58 | Jenson | hi zachary |
| 19:19.15 | zachary | hi Jenson |
| 19:25.47 | resuDaed | brb, my hdd just span down and wond spin up again |
| 19:25.56 | Jenson | k then |
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| 19:30.24 | eye69 | resuDaed_: You don't have to do bandwidth limiting if you're downloading from upcore.net |
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| 19:35.05 | Jenson | wb resuDaed |
| 19:35.14 | resuDaed | ty |
| 19:35.17 | eye69 | resuDaed: Hi |
| 19:35.22 | resuDaed | hey eye69 |
| 19:35.42 | eye69 | resuDaed: If you're downloading from upcore.net, you don't need to do limit your speed |
| 19:35.57 | eye69 | This machine is on something like 6Mb |
| 19:36.30 | resuDaed | eye69 : lol, that was reason b) |
| 19:37.02 | resuDaed | reason a) is we here are on a mere 512k, and that is for everyone, not just me |
| 19:37.15 | eye69 | Aha. :) |
| 19:37.24 | Jenson | resuDaed: Just use it all. |
| 19:37.38 | eye69 | As far as this server goes, I don't really care how many people download from it. |
| 19:38.13 | resuDaed | Jenson : I get shouted at every time the internet is not working, is slow, someone doesn't know wtf they are doing, andthing computer related in this house is my fault |
| 19:39.10 | eye69 | resuDaed: Hehe, I recognize that. |
| 19:39.46 | Jenson | resuDaed: Sounds like my house. Just because someone cant do it, its my fault, but thwy wont listen if i try to explain |
| 19:40.19 | resuDaed | its my fault that the computers on subnet 1 get priority over computers on subnet 2 |
| 19:40.35 | resuDaed | (that actually was my fault and is entirly intentional) |
| 19:40.38 | Jenson | heh |
| 19:41.23 | resuDaed | subnet 1 is my room, subnet 2 is the rest of the house, my room is on 100MBit with internet priority, everyone else is on 10MBit with 2nd hand internet |
| 19:42.08 | Jenson | resuDaed: Most intelligent, remind me to hang in your room if I'm ever at yours |
| 19:42.29 | resuDaed | Jenson : where else would I find you :P |
| 19:43.21 | dpash | hi all |
| 19:43.27 | resuDaed | evening |
| 19:43.59 | Jenson | evening dpash |
| 19:44.06 | dpash | this essay is much harder than the previous one |
| 19:44.10 | resuDaed | I have to maximise aterm to fit ifconfig on 1 screen :-( |
| 19:44.22 | dpash | but I'm writing lots of bullshit so it should be okay |
| 19:44.27 | Jenson | heh dpash |
| 19:44.47 | dpash | resuDaed: ip is a nicer command than ifconfig |
| 19:45.15 | resuDaed | don't have it |
| 19:45.31 | dpash | resuDaed: iproute2 |
| 19:45.57 | resuDaed | dpash : E: Couldn't find package iproute2 |
| 19:46.19 | dpash | oh debian, iproute |
| 19:46.31 | resuDaed | thanks |
| 19:47.42 | dpash | resuDaed: ip addr will probably show you what you wanted to know form ifconfig |
| 19:47.54 | dpash | ip route will show you the routing table |
| 19:48.25 | dpash | you can do signifacntly more with ip as it is the tool for the new networking stuff in 2.2 and 2.4 kernels |
| 19:49.28 | dpash | which is something I have to get to grips with in the near future |
| 19:51.07 | resuDaed | I am getting to grips with hacking my current dhcpd.conf to run multiple subnets |
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| 19:52.05 | Huhn | re |
| 19:52.33 | Jenson | hey Huhn |
| 19:52.36 | resuDaed | evening Huhn |
| 19:52.43 | Huhn | hi Jenson and resuDaed |
| 19:53.11 | resuDaed | I cannot find dhcp docs anywhere that are helpfull for running multiple networks |
| 19:53.13 | dpash | hi Huhn |
| 19:53.23 | Huhn | hi dpash |
| 19:53.30 | Clyphox | resuDaed: just run a subnetwork |
| 19:53.35 | dpash | resuDaed: you need to define multiple subnets, but other than that I'm not sure |
| 19:53.41 | resuDaed | Clyphox : they are physically different networks |
| 19:53.54 | dpash | you may need to run a differnet dhcpd per interface |
| 19:54.20 | Clyphox | yeah |
| 19:54.22 | resuDaed | eth0 = external, eth1 = 10.0.0.1/8, eth2 = 192.168.1.0/24 |
| 19:54.24 | Clyphox | dhcpd ethX |
| 19:54.46 | Clyphox | I'm not sure if you can specify the config file at the command tho |
| 19:54.59 | resuDaed | what about the dhcpd.conf entries |
| 19:55.29 | resuDaed | and I think dhcpd will actually listen on multiple interfaces |
| 19:56.08 | resuDaed | actually, I should really change 10.0.0.1/8 to a class C |
| 19:56.24 | resuDaed | may as well do that while I am at it |
| 20:00.45 | resuDaed | root@brian:~# dhcpd eth1 eth2 |
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| 20:00.51 | resuDaed | Listening on LPF/eth2/00:e0:18:e7:54:70/192.168.1.0 |
| 20:00.52 | resuDaed | Sending on LPF/eth2/00:e0:18:e7:54:70/192.168.1.0 |
| 20:00.52 | resuDaed | Listening on LPF/eth1/00:04:76:11:d1:3a/10.0.0.0 |
| 20:00.52 | resuDaed | Sending on LPF/eth1/00:04:76:11:d1:3a/10.0.0.0 |
| 20:00.52 | resuDaed | Sending on Socket/fallback/fallback-net |
| 20:01.18 | resuDaed | so works in theory |
| 20:01.27 | Clyphox | looks good |
| 20:02.48 | resuDaed | Clyphox : do you know how to make Win2k Pro request a new ip from DHCP? |
| 20:02.55 | resuDaed | before the lease expires |
| 20:03.08 | Clyphox | I'm proud not to know |
| 20:03.12 | resuDaed | it doesn't have winipcfg |
| 20:03.18 | Clyphox | ipconfig? |
| 20:03.43 | resuDaed | they will soon be switching to linux whether they like it or not, any arguments, I'll tell them to go out and buy a windows 2k license |
| 20:06.14 | dpash | ipconfig /renew |
| 20:06.26 | dpash | and or ipconfig /release |
| 20:11.17 | zachary | gotta go, bye |
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| 20:14.47 | Jenson_ | Fucking BT |
| 20:15.20 | resuDaed | wb Jenson |
| 20:15.23 | Jenson | ty |
| 20:22.31 | resuDaed | fscking linuxconf is harder to use than writing dhcpd.conf in vim |
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| 20:23.11 | resuDaed | cupis : how are you on dhcp? |
| 20:23.21 | Jenson | hi cupis |
| 20:23.28 | Jenson | resuDaed: Let him get in the door ;) |
| 20:23.40 | cupis | hi |
| 20:23.43 | Huhn | hi cupis |
| 20:23.50 | cupis | resuDaed: okay - what's up? |
| 20:24.48 | resuDaed | I need to assign ips on 2 different subnets on 2 different interfaces, and I cannot find a really decent DHCP how-to anywhere |
| 20:25.08 | resuDaed | all I want to know is how to specify which interface should assign to which subnet |
| 20:25.37 | resuDaed | ie eth1 is 192.168.1.0/24, eth2 is 192.168.2.0/24 |
| 20:25.47 | cupis | resuDaed: okay |
| 20:26.27 | dpash | resuDaed: here really isn;t much documentation for ISC stuff |
| 20:26.39 | resuDaed | dpash : so I have noticed |
| 20:26.52 | dpash | okay there is stuff that tells you how to set up bind, but nothing about doing dynamic dhcp-dns |
| 20:27.12 | dpash | and how to set up dhcp for auto proxy discovery |
| 20:27.33 | dpash | resuDaed: can you right down what ever you find and let me know |
| 20:27.35 | resuDaed | all I have done is set domain-name-server & routers in dhcpd.conf |
| 20:27.51 | cupis | COMMAND LINE |
| 20:27.51 | cupis | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:27.51 | cupis | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:28.24 | resuDaed | cupis : I know, but I want to assign to subnet based on which interface was used |
| 20:28.40 | cupis | resuDaed: run two dhcpd's, one on a non-standard port, use port forwarding from second ip to the correct dhcpd? |
| 20:28.49 | resuDaed | it must be asier |
| 20:29.58 | resuDaed | dpash : when I finish, I will mail my dhcpd.conf to you |
| 20:30.14 | cupis | resuDaed: the machine must have two IP's, right? can you run two dhcpd's, one binding to foo:67 and the other to bar:67? |
| 20:31.13 | dpash | okay more essay work to be done |
| 20:31.38 | dpash | bbia 60-90min |
| 20:31.43 | resuDaed | cupis : I will look in to it |
| 20:35.38 | cupis | dpash: auto-proxy discovery? use WPAD if poss. - should be easy |
| 20:36.20 | dpash | cupis: yeah and how do you set it up with ISC DHCPD? |
| 20:37.11 | dpash | there are 5 differnet methods for using WPAD |
| 20:37.15 | cupis | dpash: WPAD doesn't require dhcp - it uses dns |
| 20:37.40 | dpash | and dhcp |
| 20:37.42 | dpash | and SLP |
| 20:38.16 | cupis | dpash: ah, the one I was thinking of was having a host with a cname of wpad.foo, which has a proxy.dat or proxy.pac in it's web servers root |
| 20:40.40 | dpash | http://www.davidpashley.com/tutorials/automatic-proxy.html |
| 20:41.27 | cupis | <quote>Just setup a DNS CNAME for wpad.mycompany.com to point to your web server, and put your wpad.dat file in its document root directory.</quote> |
| 20:42.22 | dpash | cupis: but that is only part of it |
| 20:42.49 | cupis | dpash: oh? |
| 20:43.14 | dpash | I forget what is required and what is optional |
| 20:43.21 | dpash | I have it written down in the office somewhere |
| 20:44.54 | cupis | resuDaed: you should be able to have two dhcpd.conf files, and run dhcpd twice, specifying the interface and conf file for each. |
| 20:45.18 | resuDaed | cupis : still a cop-out IMHO |
| 20:45.19 | dpash | that is what I said |
| 20:45.39 | resuDaed | ok, using grub (from a floppy), how do I boot a kernel on the hd? |
| 20:45.57 | cupis | resuDaed: well ISC dhcpd does not seem to allow interfaces to be specified in the conf file - maybe time to find another dhcp server? |
| 20:46.21 | cupis | btw working solution != cop-out |
| 20:46.26 | dpash | kernel (hd0,0)/boot/vmlinuz |
| 20:46.31 | dpash | boot |
| 20:46.37 | resuDaed | ty |
| 20:52.25 | resuDaed | ok, for some reason, my boxes cannot ping each other |
| 20:52.44 | Jenson | does that sound dirty to anyone else |
| 20:52.49 | Jenson | pls tell me it isnt just me? |
| 20:53.07 | resuDaed | 192.168.1.1 & .254, same netmask, crossover cable (def working) |
| 20:53.15 | resuDaed | Jenson : that was just you |
| 20:54.12 | Huhn | come on baby, ping my box... lalalal |
| 20:54.15 | Huhn | sorry ;) |
| 20:54.26 | Jenson | lol hey Huhn |
| 20:54.29 | cupis | resuDaed: check the hardware, check ifconfig |
| 20:54.36 | Huhn | hi Jenson ;) |
| 20:54.48 | cupis | (hardware includes cabling) |
| 20:55.03 | resuDaed | cupis : is all fine, all thats change are the ips & subnet |
| 20:55.18 | cupis | resuDaed: firewall? |
| 20:55.31 | resuDaed | cupis : nope |
| 20:55.34 | resuDaed | inet addr:192.168.1.254 Bcast:192.168.1.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 |
| 20:56.04 | cupis | resuDaed: try changing the 254 to something lower, like 10 - see if that changes anything |
| 20:58.40 | resuDaed | nope |
| 20:59.33 | cupis | resuDaed: what error exactly do you get? check the routes? |
| 20:59.40 | resuDaed | hah, took eth2 down, works |
| 20:59.57 | resuDaed | was the eth2 ip (set that hours ago and forgot |
| 21:00.15 | cupis | looking at the routing table probably would have revealed that |
| 21:00.51 | resuDaed | yeah |
| 21:03.46 | resuDaed | now need to update acls in squid |
| 21:04.27 | cupis | resuDaed: you may be able to use "shared-network" to make dhcpd do what you want |
| 21:04.55 | resuDaed | in squid.conf, should deny all or allow localnet be first? |
| 21:05.12 | cupis | off the top of my head, deny all |
| 21:06.04 | cupis | and I would be wrong |
| 21:06.20 | resuDaed | yep, I know, just tried it both ways |
| 21:06.21 | cupis | # And finally deny all other access to this proxy |
| 21:06.21 | cupis | http_access deny all |
| 21:06.27 | resuDaed | allow localnet, then deny all |
| 21:07.06 | resuDaed | is there a daemon runnong that allows telnet access |
| 21:07.15 | Jenson | BBS |
| 21:07.24 | cupis | resuDaed: telnetd ? |
| 21:07.46 | resuDaed | cupis : no, but I can still telnet to the box |
| 21:08.02 | resuDaed | rather than just blocking the port, I'd rather kill the daemon |
| 21:08.24 | cupis | resuDaed: you can login? could be francine, telnetd, krb5-telnetd... |
| 21:08.46 | cupis | resuDaed: check the (x)inetd conf and /etc/init.d |
| 21:08.48 | resuDaed | cupis : yes can log in to any user except root through telnet |
| 21:09.55 | resuDaed | is there a command that I can run to list all open ports and daemons using those ports |
| 21:10.11 | cupis | resuDaed: some variant of netstat probably |
| 21:10.37 | dpash | netsat -aep --inet/--tcp/--udp |
| 21:10.42 | cupis | resuDaed: netstat -plunt |
| 21:10.43 | dpash | netstat |
| 21:10.59 | resuDaed | thanks |
| 21:11.04 | dpash | hmmm |
| 21:11.19 | cupis | dpash: hmm |
| 21:11.42 | resuDaed | inetd is listening for telnet connections |
| 21:12.03 | cupis | <cupis> resuDaed: check the (x)inetd conf |
| 21:12.08 | dpash | to be expected |
| 21:12.08 | resuDaed | that brings up telnetd |
| 21:12.51 | resuDaed | lol |
| 21:13.03 | resuDaed | time to go delete some lines |
| 21:13.13 | cupis | okay, time to boot my gateway into sid - brb |
| 21:13.19 | resuDaed | telnet,ftp,pop3 |
| 21:15.50 | resuDaed | root@brian:~# telnet localhost |
| 21:15.50 | resuDaed | Trying 127.0.0.1... |
| 21:15.50 | resuDaed | telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused |
| 21:15.57 | resuDaed | :-) |
| 21:16.13 | Clyphox | whats "telnet" ? |
| 21:17.42 | resuDaed | Clyphox : don't know, never used it myself :-) |
| 21:17.58 | resuDaed | I think its what microsoft recommend for remote admin |
| 21:18.14 | resuDaed | infact it's all they offer IIRC |
| 21:18.18 | Clyphox | Sounds cutting edge |
| 21:19.09 | resuDaed | it is, it can connect to to any open port and doesn't require any security |
| 21:19.45 | resuDaed | it will even let you boradcast your root password to the whole world so the friendly hackers can help you with day to day administration |
| 21:20.56 | resuDaed | Clyphox : dammit, I lost my BY ip address, got a new one now :-( |
| 21:21.17 | resuDaed | takes 5 mins for my dns servers to update :-( |
| 21:21.42 | resuDaed | rdp? |
| 21:22.09 | resuDaed | ah, remote desktopy thing |
| 21:22.36 | Clyphox | I've had connection problems today.. maybe they are reshulfing dhcpd |
| 21:22.42 | resuDaed | possibly |
| 21:22.43 | Clyphox | er |
| 21:22.46 | Clyphox | you know.. |
| 21:22.57 | dpash | just the floopies maam |
| 21:23.10 | dpash | floppies |
| 21:23.14 | resuDaed | I use a 31Mb ISO that starts a net install |
| 21:23.42 | dpash | nah, 6 disks, the rest net install with a friendly apt-proxy |
| 21:24.18 | resuDaed | need to work out how to boot this 486 from the cd though |
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| 21:25.09 | resuDaed | irpas - Internetwork Routing Protocol Attack Suite :-) |
| 21:25.16 | resuDaed | wb cupis |
| 21:25.20 | cupis | resuDaed: ty |
| 21:30.27 | cupis | dpash: about? |
| 21:32.43 | dpash | gender identities |
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| 21:33.09 | dpash | can anyone give a suggestion of a job that was unthinkable for a womoen to do 40 years ago |
| 21:33.48 | Huhn | sysadmin |
| 21:33.50 | Huhn | developer |
| 21:33.57 | Huhn | manager |
| 21:34.02 | cupis | dpash: US president |
| 21:34.04 | Jenson | poledancer |
| 21:34.16 | dpash | Huhn: sysadmin was unthinkable for anyone 40 years ago |
| 21:34.18 | cupis | human canonball |
| 21:34.28 | Jenson | lesbaisn-escort |
| 21:34.29 | Clyphox | prostitute |
| 21:34.32 | Jenson | erm lesbian |
| 21:34.33 | dpash | world market for 8 computers n all |
| 21:34.40 | cupis | male prostiture |
| 21:34.41 | Huhn | Clyphox: nope, look at the 14th century ;) |
| 21:34.43 | cupis | s/r/t/ |
| 21:34.45 | dpash | lol |
| 21:34.50 | cupis | bah |
| 21:34.52 | Huhn | cupis: not true, look at the ancient greeks ;) |
| 21:35.04 | cupis | Huhn: I can't - they're dead |
| 21:35.06 | Clyphox | Huhn: its a timeless art.. still "unthinkable" at many ages hehe |
| 21:35.11 | Huhn | nah |
| 21:35.15 | dpash | Huhn: how would women be gigilos? |
| 21:35.22 | Huhn | ouch |
| 21:35.31 | Huhn | from that point of view..;) |
| 21:35.37 | Clyphox | I don't wanna know |
| 21:35.39 | Jenson | lol |
| 21:35.49 | Clyphox | lol |
| 21:36.14 | Huhn | ok, seriously... |
| 21:36.27 | dpash | good or not? |
| 21:36.32 | Huhn | not sure about the doctor |
| 21:36.38 | cupis | dpash: milkman |
| 21:36.44 | Jenson | postgman |
| 21:36.47 | Jenson | policeman |
| 21:36.51 | Huhn | waaaah |
| 21:37.00 | dpash | paperboy |
| 21:37.01 | cupis | admiral |
| 21:37.11 | dpash | rear admiral |
| 21:37.16 | Huhn | yes, military is good |
| 21:37.20 | cupis | welder |
| 21:37.21 | Jenson | F1 driver |
| 21:37.26 | Jenson | heh dpash |
| 21:37.27 | Huhn | true |
| 21:37.40 | dpash | miner? |
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| 21:38.41 | Jenson | Huhn: Why you asking anyway? |
| 21:38.49 | Huhn | Jenson: asking what? |
| 21:38.51 | Jenson | Engineer/mechanic |
| 21:38.56 | Jenson | About jobs |
| 21:39.12 | dpash | she isn;t. I am |
| 21:39.32 | Jenson | oh you are |
| 21:39.33 | Jenson | lol |
| 21:39.45 | cupis | dpash: many women? |
| 21:40.03 | Jenson | well, I'm going with poledancer, mechanic/engineer and F1 driver, oh and geek |
| 21:40.25 | Huhn | geek is not a job |
| 21:40.32 | Huhn | geek is a life style ;) |
| 21:40.33 | dpash | "There has also been a shift in the kinds of roles and identities that women can take on, from doctors and mechanics to senior managers and soldiers." |
| 21:40.42 | Jenson | true...still would have been unacceptable for women |
| 21:40.53 | dpash | Jenson: sometimes still is |
| 21:40.58 | Huhn | nah, look at Marie Curie, she was a geek |
| 21:41.00 | dpash | Jenson: but then it is for men too |
| 21:41.10 | Huhn | that's more than 40 yrs |
| 21:41.15 | Jenson | dpash: True |
| 21:41.20 | eye69 | ls |
| 21:41.28 | resuDaed | eye69 : :-) |
| 21:41.29 | dpash | eye69: other terminal |
| 21:41.37 | Huhn | focus follows mouse ;)) |
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| 21:42.02 | Clyphox | re |
| 21:42.26 | Jenson | I had the same situation but it was other keyboard the other day.....linux installation on one system, chat on the other, monitors keyboarda and mice next ot each other |
| 21:42.28 | dpash | hmmm now time to talk about where gender identites come from |
| 21:43.44 | Clyphox | resuDaed: Plug in baby isn't very hard to play! busy learning it.. |
| 21:43.52 | Jenson | Clyphox: its a damn great track |
| 21:44.20 | dpash | bloody disconnect |
| 21:44.43 | dpash | Muse? I prefer the cover |
| 21:44.49 | dpash | forget what it is called |
| 21:44.54 | Clyphox | got a copy? |
| 21:44.57 | dpash | to old club hit |
| 21:45.12 | Clyphox | its quite a recent song (relativly) |
| 21:45.38 | Clyphox | I just need to play damn fast.. thats the problem |
| 21:45.46 | resuDaed | Clyphox : lol |
| 21:45.52 | Clyphox | hehe |
| 21:47.23 | Jenson | resuDaed: Give up for a while, you might work it out if you take a break |
| 21:47.53 | resuDaed | Jenson : I have very little idea what I am doing, so I probably wont work it out |
| 21:48.14 | resuDaed | although I am going to write a proper dhcpd how-to for tldp.org |
| 21:48.20 | dpash | resuDaed: do as me and cupis suggest |
| 21:48.26 | resuDaed | dpash : I am tempted |
| 21:49.03 | dpash | resuDaed: I think it is the "correct" method |
| 21:49.48 | cupis | resuDaed: unless you can work out how to use shared-network to do what you want (if it can even do that), two dhcpd's is the way to go - or look into an alternate dhcp server |
| 21:54.01 | resuDaed | ok, some rc5.d/s20dhcpd hacking then |
| 21:56.01 | eye69 | resuDaed: What are you trying to do? |
| 21:56.24 | resuDaed | eye69 : now I am trying to run 2 dhcpds on differenet interfaces |
| 21:56.42 | cupis | resuDaed: isn't your rc5.d/s20dhcpd a symlink? |
| 21:56.54 | resuDaed | can still edit it |
| 21:56.57 | resuDaed | :-) |
| 21:57.16 | cupis | resuDaed: of course, as long as you realise it's not just an rc5 file you're editing |
| 21:57.37 | resuDaed | yes, is init.d/dhcp, I know |
| 21:57.47 | resuDaed | but I relate to runlevels more easily |
| 21:58.11 | cupis | resuDaed: fair enough |
| 21:58.28 | resuDaed | would it be ok to change the dhcpd 'stop'ing routing to 'killall dhcpd' ? |
| 21:58.46 | resuDaed | as opposed to start-stop-deamon blah blah blah |
| 21:59.25 | cupis | resuDaed: check the manpage for start-stop-daemon, does it leave a PID file around, if so better to use that and do it cleanly |
| 21:59.53 | resuDaed | cupis : yes, but I am running 2 daemons and only have 1 PID file |
| 22:00.36 | resuDaed | will scarp this file and write my own :-) mcuh easier |
| 22:00.45 | cupis | use the -m option? |
| 22:00.57 | resuDaed | my way = easier |
| 22:01.05 | resuDaed | (am tired and don't like thinking) |
| 22:01.33 | cupis | resuDaed: uh, what version of dhcpd are you using? |
| 22:02.00 | cupis | resuDaed: dhcp3-server already specifies the pidfile, just have two |
| 22:02.09 | cupis | no thinking required |
| 22:02.15 | resuDaed | no idea what version |
| 22:03.11 | cupis | resuDaed: package name? dpkg -l dhcp | grep ii |
| 22:04.58 | resuDaed | dhcpd -cf /etc/dhcpd.conf.eth1 -pf /dev/null eth1 |
| 22:04.59 | resuDaed | dhcpd -cf /etc/dhcpd.conf.eth2 -pf /dev/null eth2 |
| 22:05.21 | resuDaed | my way :-) |
| 22:05.29 | resuDaed | it works |
| 22:05.38 | cupis | resuDaed: yay |
| 22:06.02 | resuDaed | still think that dhcpd should be made more powerful |
| 22:10.41 | Jenson | Night all, see you tomorrow |
| 22:10.42 | Huhn | nn Jenson |
| 22:10.52 | Jenson | Good luck with the networks resuDaed |
| 22:10.55 | Jenson | nn Huhn |
| 22:11.04 | resuDaed | night Jenson |
| 22:11.08 | Jenson | night resuDaed |
| 22:11.37 | Clyphox | nn |
| 22:12.13 | Jenson | nn Clyphox |
| 22:13.48 | dpash | 50 words left |
| 22:13.51 | dpash | night |
| 22:14.21 | Huhn | nn dpash |
| 22:14.31 | resuDaed | night dpash |
| 22:14.56 | Clyphox | nigh dpash |
| 22:15.22 | Clyphox | resuDaed: this is damn fun to play.. got cool bends and its a clear easy scale type thing.. |
| 22:16.30 | resuDaed | Clyphox : cool |
| 22:16.49 | resuDaed | Clyphox : do you know how to boot a CD from grub? |
| 22:17.22 | Clyphox | I am thinking it does actually depend on the bios.. have you tried making a floppy for it? |
| 22:17.59 | resuDaed | the bios cannot detect a cd (well I doubt if it can anyway) |
| 22:18.38 | Clyphox | Dunno.. |
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| 22:43.55 | HuhnZzZ | nn |
| 23:28.10 | highbury | rcdhcpd stop |