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| 00:05.00 | dummy | make[3]: *** No rule to make target `/etc/sound/msndperm.bin', needed by `msndperm.c'. Stop. |
| 00:05.01 | dummy | make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.18/drivers/sound' |
| 00:05.01 | dummy | make[2]: *** [first_rule] Error 2 |
| 00:05.01 | dummy | make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.18/drivers/sound' |
| 00:05.01 | dummy | make[1]: *** [_subdir_sound] Error 2 |
| 00:05.01 | dummy | make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.18/drivers' |
| 00:05.03 | dummy | make: *** [_dir_drivers] Error 2 |
| 00:05.05 | dummy | root@toxicity/linux# make clean |
| 00:05.09 | dummy | anyone every encountered that? |
| 00:05.23 | dummy | i have nothign in sound besides support sound set to y |
| 00:09.40 | Leeds | looks like it's looking for some binary support file for a particular driver |
| 00:10.08 | Leeds | part of Turtle Beach MultiSound Sound Card Driver for Linux |
| 00:10.21 | dummy | funny part is i havent selected any sound thing |
| 00:10.43 | dummy | cuz my soundc ard isnt supported by linux |
| 00:10.51 | dummy | i have a via'ac97 inbuilt |
| 00:10.55 | dummy | needs alsa |
| 00:10.57 | Leeds | I dno't have msndperm.c in my 2.4.18 source... |
| 00:11.06 | dummy | its not in mine |
| 00:11.08 | Leeds | is this a vendor source RPM or similar? |
| 00:11.15 | dummy | its slack |
| 00:11.32 | dummy | i cant enable dma on my dvd rom |
| 00:11.37 | dummy | so im rebuilding the kernel |
| 00:12.06 | Leeds | ah, wait... |
| 00:12.28 | dummy | cuz under 2.4.18/drivers/sound/msndperm.c shoulde xist |
| 00:12.37 | dummy | it cant find it thats kinda y tis screwing up |
| 00:12.42 | Leeds | you would appear to have CONFIG_MSNDCLAS_HAVE_BOOT enabled... |
| 00:12.58 | Leeds | msndperm.c is a file which is built from the binary firmware file at compile time |
| 00:12.59 | dummy | in my .config |
| 00:13.10 | Leeds | yeah |
| 00:13.21 | dummy | lemem look |
| 00:13.49 | dummy | yeah its enabled |
| 00:13.58 | dummy | CONFIG_MSNDCLAS_HAVE_BOOT=y |
| 00:13.58 | dummy | CONFIG_MSNDCLAS_INIT_FILE="/etc/sound/msndinit.bin" |
| 00:13.58 | dummy | CONFIG_MSNDCLAS_PERM_FILE="/etc/sound/msndperm.bin" |
| 00:14.00 | dummy | umm |
| 00:14.14 | dummy | what the hell is firmware? |
| 00:14.23 | skugg | dummy, software |
| 00:14.30 | Leeds | it's halfway between harware and software, obviously :-) |
| 00:14.41 | dummy | great so do you think getting it would help |
| 00:14.41 | dummy | ? |
| 00:14.48 | dummy | or should i jsut disable this? |
| 00:14.53 | skugg | dummy, just disable it |
| 00:15.03 | Leeds | disable it |
| 00:15.04 | dummy | k set em both to no |
| 00:15.06 | dummy | :) |
| 00:15.50 | dummy | i should just move to 2.4.20 |
| 00:16.00 | dummy | the damn ptrace killer wont lemme run sshd |
| 00:16.23 | Leeds | firmware is software which runs directly on a chip - for example, your BIOS... some hardware needs to have firmware loaded on it as part of the initialisation process - like, for example, my ADSL modem, or that soundcard |
| 00:16.33 | dummy | i see |
| 00:16.38 | dummy | is it free? |
| 00:16.49 | Leeds | what free? |
| 00:16.59 | dummy | firmware |
| 00:17.03 | dummy | i could just install i |
| 00:17.04 | dummy | it |
| 00:17.06 | Leeds | do you have a Turtle MultiSound card? |
| 00:17.13 | dummy | nope |
| 00:17.24 | Leeds | then why would you want the firmware for it? |
| 00:17.28 | Leeds | just disable it, man |
| 00:17.35 | dummy | yeha im making bzImage |
| 00:17.39 | dummy | lets see if it worked |
| 00:17.55 | dummy | another question this dma thing is killing me |
| 00:18.07 | dummy | /dev/hdc: |
| 00:18.08 | dummy | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:18.08 | dummy | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:18.08 | dummy | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:18.17 | dummy | umm what exactly do i need to modify in my kernel for this |
| 00:18.18 | Leeds | um, probably better to ask somewhere with more than 1.5 other people awake :-) |
| 00:18.23 | dummy | hehe |
| 00:18.26 | Leeds | remember it's after midnight... |
| 00:18.35 | dummy | i ahve scsi support n stuff but some peole think tis the via motherboard |
| 00:18.41 | Leeds | which board? |
| 00:18.42 | dummy | oh im in new york |
| 00:18.58 | dummy | via p4 |
| 00:19.00 | skugg | dummy, is it a scsi harddisk? |
| 00:19.02 | Leeds | yes, I know you're in NY, but this channel is 'in' London, so it's going on for bedtime :-) |
| 00:19.05 | dummy | dvd |
| 00:19.19 | dummy | yeah i meant i didnt know it was midnight :) |
| 00:19.27 | skugg | dummy, scsi dvd? |
| 00:19.35 | dummy | it s lite on jlms |
| 00:19.38 | dummy | i use ide-scsi |
| 00:19.53 | skugg | isn't dma ide only though? |
| 00:19.56 | Leeds | argh! |
| 00:20.04 | dummy | nope people say you can work around it |
| 00:20.05 | Leeds | why are you still using ide-scsi when you don't need it? |
| 00:20.10 | Leeds | or shouldn't need it... |
| 00:20.12 | dummy | i dont? |
| 00:20.18 | dummy | stupid slack makes me do it |
| 00:20.26 | dummy | when i install slack it cant detect my disk until i pass |
| 00:20.29 | dummy | bare.i hdd=ise-scsi |
| 00:20.33 | dummy | so it hoguht i had too |
| 00:20.37 | skugg | Leeds, surely that's only with 2.5.x? |
| 00:20.38 | dummy | k i'll take it off lilo |
| 00:20.43 | Leeds | ide-scsi is useful for *one* thing and one thing only... ATAPI CD(or DVD) writers |
| 00:20.59 | dummy | Leeds: if my kernel builds i'll take it off lilo |
| 00:20.59 | Leeds | skugg: it's a DVD drive - shouldn't need ide-scsi |
| 00:21.04 | dummy | and look into it |
| 00:21.29 | dummy | i switched it hdc isntead of scd0 |
| 00:21.31 | skugg | Leeds, m'kay. |
| 00:21.36 | dummy | i was a lil confused there |
| 00:22.54 | skugg | linus sent a patch to the cdrecord maintainer so he could burn cd's with an ide cdr drive for 2.5.x ... |
| 00:23.04 | skugg | but that is a bit besides the point ;) |
| 00:23.11 | dummy | have you tried the 2.5 skugg? |
| 00:23.21 | skugg | would be cool though to get a patch from linus :) |
| 00:23.27 | Leeds | skugg: I know... but AIUI you can have ide-scsi and ide-cd loaded on the same drive in 2.5 anyway... |
| 00:23.34 | skugg | dummy, yeah. modules don't work yet, so it's not very useful for me... |
| 00:23.35 | dummy | the nvidia drivers work real crappy on 2.4.20 |
| 00:23.52 | dummy | for me atleast |
| 00:25.22 | dummy | shit |
| 00:25.24 | dummy | wtf |
| 00:25.27 | dummy | Root device is (3, 9) |
| 00:25.27 | dummy | Boot sector 512 bytes. |
| 00:25.27 | dummy | Setup is 4768 bytes. |
| 00:25.27 | dummy | System is 3421 kB |
| 00:25.27 | dummy | System is too big. Try using modules. |
| 00:25.28 | dummy | make[1]: *** [bzImage] Error 1 |
| 00:25.30 | dummy | make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.18/arch/i386/boot' |
| 00:25.31 | dummy | make: *** [bzImage] Error 2 |
| 00:25.51 | dummy | great i have very things selected maybe i should make some of modules *sighs* |
| 00:26.01 | ringo78_ | dummy: Thats BIG ! |
| 00:26.01 | dummy | *few |
| 00:26.19 | dummy | its odd cuz |
| 00:26.25 | dummy | slack byd efault slects everyhting on the ekrnel |
| 00:26.29 | dummy | but if you build it it builds |
| 00:26.38 | dummy | i deselected almsot everything and now it says big? |
| 00:26.42 | dummy | thats really odd |
| 00:26.57 | skugg | that _is_ really odd, yeah. |
| 00:27.00 | ringo78_ | made a mrproper etc ..? |
| 00:27.05 | dummy | no |
| 00:27.07 | dummy | i did a make dep |
| 00:27.09 | dummy | make clean |
| 00:27.11 | dummy | make bxImage |
| 00:27.15 | dummy | bz |
| 00:27.20 | Leeds | dummy - grab 2.4.20 from kernel.org (or from Pat) and set your own options - only takes me a couple of minutes... |
| 00:27.33 | dummy | 2.4.20 oesnt work too well on my nvidia |
| 00:27.48 | dummy | i had slack 9 on the other box the colours were totally screwed |
| 00:28.12 | dummy | anyways i ahve the 2.4.20 patch |
| 00:28.27 | ringo78_ | try "cp .config bu; make mrproper ; cp .config bu ; make menuconfig ; make dep ; make bzImage ; make modules ; make modules_install |
| 00:28.53 | dummy | can i jsut ask what cp .config bu does? |
| 00:29.25 | Leeds | it backs up your config so you do a totally clean clean |
| 00:29.31 | dummy | k imam try it |
| 00:29.37 | ringo78_ | .config deleted by make mrproper so temp BackUp. |
| 00:30.19 | dummy | so ti should be cp bu .config |
| 00:30.26 | dummy | after mrproper |
| 00:31.32 | ringo78_ | after mrproper it just copies it back to .config so make menu_config has its defaults. |
| 00:31.55 | dummy | k thnks ringo78_ |
| 00:32.00 | ringo78_ | whithout the underscore ... little typo. |
| 00:32.05 | ringo78_ | Dont thank me YET .. |
| 00:32.32 | ringo78_ | ;-) |
| 00:32.40 | dummy | :) |
| 00:32.47 | dummy | doin a make bzImage |
| 00:33.15 | dummy | if it doesnt work i'll jsut go in add modules for whateva necessary although i didnt edit the default slacks election so this is a lil funny |
| 00:34.35 | Leeds | dummy: probably worth the time and effort to actually go through and make sure you're only building what you need... |
| 00:35.06 | dummy | yes thats y i deselected everything chosen |
| 00:35.38 | dummy | you can see my .config i havent gone over board at all |
| 00:35.43 | skugg | ringo78_, try re-ordering the last `cp .config bu' (you want `cp bu .config') |
| 00:36.15 | dummy | skugg: yeah i mentioned that :) |
| 00:36.51 | skugg | dummy, sorry, didn't see that |
| 00:38.44 | dummy | thats k man |
| 00:38.55 | dummy | just pray for my bzImage hehe |
| 00:41.57 | dummy | umm yeha same error |
| 00:42.03 | dummy | i'll look into it |
| 00:42.38 | Leeds | dummy: in general, you don't need much more than your console, your IDE driver and your filesystem compiled in... pick some stuff to make into modules |
| 00:43.02 | dummy | yes |
| 00:43.22 | dummy | Leeds: when ir ebuild my kernel do i need to make clean or do it the mrproper way? |
| 00:43.36 | Leeds | RTFR? :-) |
| 00:43.45 | dummy | read the fucking r?? |
| 00:43.50 | Leeds | README... |
| 00:43.51 | dummy | read the fucking readme |
| 00:43.51 | dummy | lol |
| 00:43.58 | dummy | i did :) |
| 00:44.03 | dummy | anyways lemem go re do this crap |
| 00:44.24 | Leeds | I tend to keep my .config around and start from a clean tree whenever I rebuild... and I don't rebuild very often nowadays |
| 00:47.42 | dummy | i see |
| 00:48.35 | Leeds | keeping your .config in /boot is a very vague standard thing to do |
| 00:48.55 | dummy | ahh |
| 00:49.10 | dummy | very few people still use /boot |
| 00:49.30 | dummy | of course i think redhat recommends it |
| 01:06.07 | Leeds | I put my kernel there... it's just a directory... |
| 01:10.20 | dummy | i jsut realised the native support crap and isdn had everything freaking selected |
| 01:10.23 | dummy | geez |
| 01:12.34 | Leeds | yeah... kill that crap |
| 01:13.27 | dummy | System is 1834 kB |
| 01:13.29 | dummy | errr |
| 01:13.37 | dummy | geez this si the pityful :) |
| 01:13.48 | dummy | now im gonna jus tknock everyhting off lol |
| 01:13.59 | dummy | sick of this |
| 01:23.23 | dummy | finally bastard built at 1500kb did say too alrge fro floppy id otn care |
| 01:23.27 | dummy | :) |
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| 10:13.07 | highbury | morning |
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| 10:38.22 | zachary | good morning |
| 10:49.56 | highbury | hey zachary |
| 10:53.04 | murb | good morning? |
| 10:53.39 | Tarragon | Morning |
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| 10:59.18 | murb | still morning/ |
| 11:01.56 | highbury | and not any more |
| 11:02.29 | highbury | forgot the clocks went forward last night, fell asleep in front of TV, then looked at the clock and it was 4:30 |
| 11:04.26 | murb | highbury: i cheated and didn't just my watch since iw as in this TZ last week in Hintertux |
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| 11:10.20 | highbury | actually, this is probably the first time, my computers seemed to adjust to new time without any prompting |
| 11:10.36 | formi | hello |
| 11:11.05 | highbury | hi formi |
| 11:12.49 | Tarragon | Linux will adjust without prompting, I think MS asks the question. It is much easier now that the rest of Europe have standardised on when the clocks change each year. |
| 11:13.48 | highbury | really, or is it just chance that they are in sync this year? |
| 11:14.37 | highbury | its always been a long standing problem, that people had to maintain a database which never had up to date DST info |
| 11:16.30 | Tarragon | They switched about two years ago so all of Europe is in sync and of the two change days I think the US is one week out on one of them. |
| 11:18.03 | Tarragon | We all change on last Sunday in October, but Europe is last sunday in March and US is first Sunday in April. |
| 11:20.41 | Tarragon | I remember 1974 which the rest of the country seems to have forgotten. We tried not changing in Autumn. Every child in the country was given dayGlo armbands and the evening national Nationwide TV program would keep a running total of the number of children who had been run over in the dark as they went to school. |
| 11:25.43 | zachary | Did income-taxes last night, my tax rate is -2.8%. |
| 11:27.11 | Tarragon | Minus?? Oh if only. |
| 11:34.07 | formi | god save the queen, the fascist regime |
| 11:35.06 | formi | does anybody know how to tell the owner of a box you run, not to log-in and mess the apache files "in a polite manner" ? |
| 11:35.57 | Tarragon | Thats normally called a big invoice |
| 11:35.57 | Stephen | formi: run passwd as root :) |
| 11:36.47 | formi | Tarragon: it's a volunteering job |
| 11:37.28 | formi | if somebody needs a box miss-runned for bandwith, do tell me! |
| 11:38.37 | Stephen | how much bandwidth? |
| 11:39.02 | formi | more than adsl/cable |
| 11:39.43 | formi | ie: a box with a "proper" connection |
| 11:39.43 | murb | invoice? |
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| 11:39.50 | murb | bandwidth? |
| 11:39.53 | formi | murb: yes please |
| 11:40.22 | formi | hi leeds |
| 11:40.41 | Leeds | afternoon |
| 11:40.53 | formi | Leeds: you always spoil my fun |
| 11:41.03 | Leeds | why? |
| 11:41.15 | Leeds | or rather: how? |
| 11:41.27 | formi | you always point out that it is no longer morning |
| 11:41.46 | Leeds | it's not been morning for about 41 minutes... I have a clock at the side of my screen... |
| 11:42.16 | Leeds | unless, of course, you're idealogically opposed to BST, in which case, it's still morning |
| 11:42.37 | Leeds | most of mine do themselves nowadays |
| 11:42.59 | formi | Leeds: you have A BIG problem |
| 11:43.10 | Leeds | which is? |
| 11:43.18 | formi | you can't stop yourself bragging :-> |
| 11:44.01 | Leeds | not bragging... stating a fact |
| 11:44.17 | Leeds | murb: you never know with formi :-P |
| 11:44.27 | formi | obviously me |
| 11:44.35 | formi | you english b*s |
| 11:45.08 | formi | do you know how it become to be? |
| 11:46.41 | Leeds | google... |
| 11:51.41 | Tarragon | Yes summer time is an American idea by Benjamin Franklin |
| 11:52.08 | Tarragon | Very good one really. |
| 11:57.29 | Leeds | Don't mention the war! |
| 11:58.06 | Tarragon | I didn't. |
| 11:58.25 | Leeds | Tarragon: what do you know about the show in Birmingham in a few weeks? |
| 12:00.26 | Tarragon | 15-16 April NEC not had my tickets yet even though I registered. NEC is a pain to get to, unless by train. GLLUG share a 2m stand with all other LUGs except South Birmingham, who have their own 2m being the local group. |
| 12:02.34 | Leeds | I wasn't particularly planning on going... except that I'm going to be driving up to Leeds on the Wednesday, and Birmingham is - slightly - on the way... |
| 12:02.49 | formi | Tarragon: i was refering to the way greenwich time came to be the "default" |
| 12:04.35 | Tarragon | Oh that was a vote between the US, French and UK. Greenwich won with a vote of 2-1. UK wanted it in Paris while both US and France voted for London. Problem was cost. In the end Greenwich which was initially then funded by Royal Navy. |
| 12:05.28 | formi | Tarragon: no, I'm talking about way back, when there was no US, |
| 12:07.44 | Tarragon | GMT came about in 1884. Prior to that each country had own time and set of Longitude references. Many maps relied on Venice for the early zero point and before that Jerusalem |
| 12:08.42 | Leeds | quite right too - center of the world and all that... |
| 12:08.47 | Tarragon | In 1884 final vote in Washington was "Resolution 2, fixing the Meridian at Greenwich was passed 22-1 (San Domingo voted against), France & Brazil abstained." |
| 12:09.41 | Tarragon | I think the only real change since has been for Swatch time which is set to Switzerland. |
| 12:09.57 | Leeds | well, there's UTC vs. GMT... |
| 12:10.20 | Tarragon | I think we have changed the name from GMT to be UTC which is the same thing. |
| 12:10.59 | Leeds | except that UTC isn't defined at Greenwich, is it? |
| 12:11.31 | Tarragon | No it is defined as noon when sun is directly overhead 0 Longitude. |
| 12:11.59 | Leeds | I was thinking more atomic clocks |
| 12:13.30 | Tarragon | It was fixed in 1986 as noon over 0 logitude. But then we rely on atomic measurement 'cos earth rotation not perfect. |
| 12:14.19 | Tarragon | I think most of the time servers sync with US NAvy atomic clocks. |
| 12:14.50 | Leeds | the one I tend to use is hooked up to a GPS unit on the roof of the building... I guess it's US Army |
| 12:16.39 | Tarragon | Trouble is they are all out of sync. UTC most accurate, GMT still on earth rotation, IATC drifted since 1958, My time way out because of flat batteries. |
| 12:17.58 | formi | http://lin.cbl.com.au/~bga/idlmark.htm |
| 12:18.08 | formi | First Sabbath started in Eden |
| 12:18.14 | formi | nice read |
| 12:18.39 | formi | In 1522, man discovered that a day was lost when Magellan's surviving crewmen sailed westward and circumnavigated the world. In 1884, men agreed on their International Date Line, which God did not authorize. It deceived all the Sabbath-keepers living east of the Garden of Eden and west of the International Date Line into violating the Fourth Commandment and receiving the Mark of the Beast! |
| 12:18.57 | formi | . |
| 12:25.17 | Tarragon | Surely the problem is even more aggrivated. What day is the sabbath? Islam - Friday. Jewish - Saturday, Christian - Sunday. At least two of them must be wrong. |
| 12:25.58 | formi | Tarragon: what about "any" sabbath is wrong? |
| 12:26.28 | Tarragon | So you want to work seven days a week? |
| 12:26.39 | formi | what? |
| 12:26.53 | formi | I do not want to work, full stop |
| 12:27.02 | Leeds | the jewish sabbath was the first time people said "let's leave some time aside for not working each week" |
| 12:27.35 | formi | don't tell me people were happy to work always before that |
| 12:28.00 | Leeds | it's not that... it was the first *formal* time off |
| 12:28.33 | Leeds | you have to remember how long ago this was... no labour laws or trades unions then |
| 12:29.17 | Tarragon | In the Talmud does it say the seventh day? |
| 12:30.09 | Leeds | nope, torah |
| 12:30.22 | formi | well i believe that as usual, all this time "ordering" ie weeks, months, ... were setup by the powers to be to control the populace |
| 12:30.52 | nasrat | formi: umm actually if you can't count time you can't accurately harvest crops |
| 12:31.22 | Leeds | it's impossible to have any form of commerce or (modern-style) civilisation without it |
| 12:31.28 | formi | well, many old folks back home, do only use the phases of the moon for that |
| 12:31.48 | formi | they still keep the celtic ways |
| 12:32.32 | nasrat | formi: I thought Celtic time still used solar events too - solstice, equinox, etc |
| 12:32.43 | formi | Leeds: civilisation is just a way of "restricting" the free will of large groups of people |
| 12:32.55 | Leeds | ho hum |
| 12:32.57 | formi | nasrat: yes they do use both lunar and solar |
| 12:34.55 | nasrat | celts still had organisational structures too |
| 12:35.40 | formi | all human groups have leaders, and they always impose some "structure" |
| 12:36.26 | nasrat | anyway so about this Linux thing ... |
| 12:37.04 | Tarragon | How do I sync a Linux box with UTC? |
| 12:39.05 | nasrat | ntp |
| 12:40.11 | Tarragon | OK I will find a Howto. thanks |
| 12:40.13 | formi | ntpdate -ub ntp.server |
| 12:40.57 | formi | -u for unpriviledge ports to avoid firewall trouble, -b to update the hardware clock |
| 12:58.42 | formi | apache help somebody ! |
| 12:59.06 | formi | i need to setup the default redirection to a pl file |
| 12:59.26 | formi | i don't know which directive to use, the're too many |
| 13:25.25 | nasrat | you mean if someone asks for http://example.com/ they should be served /index.pl? |
| 13:25.55 | formi | nasrat: it's already set up, i was told to use redirectmatch |
| 13:26.00 | nasrat | k |
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| 14:29.02 | OrangeSkies | hey room |
| 14:29.57 | OrangeSkies | does anyone know if there are any free web hosting sites that support php? |
| 14:31.00 | Stephen | why free? you can decent webhosting for less than a tenner |
| 14:31.41 | OrangeSkies | well i just wanna mess around really |
| 14:32.00 | OrangeSkies | if there's no such thing then i'll live i just wondered |
| 14:35.37 | Stephen | there probably is, but seeing I work for a company that does web hosting, I have a biased opinion ;-) |
| 14:36.17 | OrangeSkies | hehe |
| 14:36.55 | OrangeSkies | looks as though there is... but you have to agree to all their spam/unreliable services etc |
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| 15:30.36 | formi | leeds |
| 15:37.32 | Leeds | yes |
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| 15:41.28 | zachary | Is there any utility for checking the maximum amount of ram a computer can address? |
| 15:42.54 | formi | Leeds: half fixed now |
| 15:43.33 | formi | zachary: that is determined by the number of bits the kernel can use for memory addresses |
| 15:43.50 | formi | ie: 32bits chip can address 4GB |
| 15:52.46 | zachary | formi, thanks. |
| 15:52.49 | zachary | bbl |
| 15:54.30 | Leeds | except that Xeons (and possibly newer Pentiums) can use 36-bit addresses... |
| 15:55.20 | formi | i know |
| 15:55.56 | formi | but the standard is 32bits chips use 32bits mem addresses |
| 15:56.26 | Leeds | yup |
| 15:57.08 | formi | and dodgy chips, aka intel 64 bits wannabe chips |
| 15:57.17 | formi | try to cheat |
| 15:59.55 | Leeds | itanic? |
| 16:00.33 | formi | that name for that chip is very interesting, they knew what was comming |
| 16:01.26 | Leeds | don't think so - I think it's meant to be the i-titanium - i.e. the extremely strong and tough chip from Intel |
| 16:02.57 | formi | itanic = titanic, supposedly untachable, but prone to sinking |
| 16:03.30 | Leeds | right... but the chip is actually called itanium, not itanic - that's just a nickname :-) |
| 16:05.36 | murb | Leeds: but everyone calls it the Itanic, even IBM sales droids. |
| 16:06.31 | formi | murb: sales droids are sales droids, no matter who they work for |
| 16:06.32 | Leeds | right - everyone except Intel... |
| 16:07.53 | Leeds | I wonder what the Yamhill people call it :-) |
| 16:09.13 | formi | i wont be buying any non-2nd hand machine/chip |
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| 16:09.48 | formi | i suppose you know about the sudden death of sun linux |
| 16:09.59 | formi | parricide |
| 16:10.06 | Leeds | knew about it many months ago... |
| 16:10.19 | Leeds | trust me - it's not sudden |
| 16:10.20 | formi | probably bf it came out |
| 16:10.44 | Leeds | not before it came out... probably before the end of last year |
| 16:10.59 | formi | to me it sounds like a pr stunt |
| 16:11.16 | Leeds | it's a u-turn |
| 16:12.04 | Stephen | sun linux is dead? woha, that was quick |
| 16:12.33 | Leeds | Stephen: see Slashdot from a couple of days back... |
| 16:12.50 | Stephen | heh. |
| 16:13.38 | formi | Stephen: according to leeds it was dead bf the end of last year |
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| 18:10.00 | Clyphox | Hi all |
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| 18:12.50 | formi | hello |
| 18:12.57 | Davilion | hi |
| 18:13.08 | formi | oh gosh |
| 18:13.26 | formi | i've broken the 1st backup rule |
| 18:13.28 | Davilion | oh gosh? |
| 18:13.39 | Davilion | the first backup rule? 'always do backups'? |
| 18:13.47 | formi | do check the backup matches the original files |
| 18:13.55 | Davilion | ahh |
| 18:14.18 | formi | rsync -Cavz --delete ns.xxx.co.uk:/etc /ymnt/ns.etc/ |
| 18:14.37 | formi | is what i am using, but it is not updating some files |
| 18:15.05 | formi | anyway i should stop running pr0n sites |
| 18:15.31 | Davilion | heh |
| 18:15.42 | Davilion | nothing wrong with running pron sites, i've considered startig my own a few times |
| 18:16.21 | formi | it was a joke |
| 18:16.42 | formi | any idea why it is not doing its job as it should? |
| 18:17.01 | Davilion | fraid not, i've never used rsync in anger. |
| 18:17.08 | formi | would it make any difference because it is Red Hat and FreeBSD? |
| 18:17.27 | Davilion | it shoudlnt do, |
| 18:17.37 | Clyphox | tar |
| 18:17.43 | Davilion | im assuming it just compares the files and if they arent identicle, updates them |
| 18:17.52 | Clyphox | I'm still trying to find a working incremental script tho |
| 18:18.10 | Clyphox | ls |
| 18:18.14 | Clyphox | oops.. sry |
| 18:18.51 | Davilion | hmm. i wish google would hurry up and get froogle working for the uk. |
| 18:19.14 | Clyphox | is that the question thingee? |
| 18:19.25 | Davilion | no its for comparing product prices |
| 18:19.48 | Clyphox | Ahh.. that would proberbly have a huge economic effect on the Uk muhahaha |
| 18:19.49 | Davilion | i want to type in zaurus and it to tell me where its cheapest |
| 18:19.49 | Davilion | the beta is out for the us and its funky |
| 18:20.53 | Davilion | heh |
| 18:20.53 | Davilion | yeah |
| 18:20.56 | formi | Davilion: ebay.co.uk |
| 18:21.06 | Davilion | i know you can get a zaurus for 200+vat including docking station |
| 18:25.00 | Davilion | yeah thats my next plan. |
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| 18:31.46 | zachary | good evening |
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| 18:34.35 | Jenson | evening |
| 18:35.37 | Davilion | hi Jenson |
| 18:35.59 | Jenson | hey Davilion |
| 18:36.04 | Jenson | how are you? |
| 18:37.12 | Davilion | im ok |
| 18:37.20 | Davilion | a bit hungover today |
| 18:38.35 | Jenson | I've got the delights of sorting out this reinstall I did yesterday |
| 18:39.06 | Jenson | I've got the mount properties wrong on the CDROM, so I can even mount a disc to load an mP3 to setup the sound |
| 18:39.32 | Davilion | lol |
| 18:40.21 | Jenson | yay, at least i've got the other CDROM drive to mount |
| 18:40.48 | Jenson | I killed a windows install and a slack install within hours of each other yesterday |
| 18:42.19 | Jenson | Damn, might help if I set up a mixer |
| 19:06.59 | Clyphox | tomorrow is my last day at work !! |
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| 19:43.22 | Huhn | hi |
| 19:46.37 | Davilion | hell |
| 19:46.38 | Davilion | o |
| 19:46.48 | Davilion | How are you tonight huhn? |
| 19:46.49 | Huhn | hi Davilio |
| 19:46.50 | Huhn | n |
| 19:46.51 | Huhn | :) |
| 19:47.06 | Huhn | I'm fine, just returned from geekski |
| 19:47.10 | Huhn | how are you? |
| 19:47.31 | Davilion | im ok thanks you, did you have a nice time? i wish i could have come. |
| 19:47.51 | Huhn | it was really fantastic |
| 19:48.25 | Davilion | have you another one planned? |
| 19:48.29 | Huhn | yep :) |
| 19:48.39 | Huhn | next year.. probably Tux again, who knows |
| 19:48.45 | Davilion | cool. |
| 19:49.28 | Davilion | I had a nice time at a party last night, it was my friends 21st. |
| 19:49.32 | Huhn | the Gasthaeusl team (where we stayed) said they would have 25 beds for us next year |
| 19:49.40 | Davilion | excellent. |
| 19:49.48 | Huhn | good, where was the party? |
| 19:49.51 | Davilion | was it all ski? or where there boarders? |
| 19:50.24 | Huhn | only skis and blades for fun |
| 19:50.33 | Huhn | 3 beginners |
| 19:51.22 | Davilion | Galashiels, where im from originally. My closest friend Stacy's party. |
| 19:51.36 | Huhn | ah |
| 19:52.18 | Davilion | I managed to chose a nice bit of jewelry, i got her a silver bracelet which she liked. |
| 19:52.30 | Davilion | we ended up dancing till 4am. |
| 19:53.20 | Davilion | Ive not tried those blades, what are they like? I can almost ski fairly well, i've not been skiing properly for a few years though |
| 19:53.35 | Huhn | blades are good fun |
| 19:53.41 | Huhn | I didn't break my neck ;) |
| 19:53.54 | Huhn | apres ski was even more fun |
| 19:54.07 | Huhn | quoting the geeks: "dodgy German pop music" :)) |
| 19:54.30 | Davilion | heheh |
| 19:55.28 | Huhn | it was really good, we danced rock'n'roll in ski boots |
| 19:56.37 | Davilion | heheh |
| 19:56.39 | Davilion | you could do the moonwalk in that |
| 19:57.08 | Huhn | and a lot of other things :)) |
| 20:00.08 | Clyphox | he's rebooting for memtest hehe |
| 20:00.51 | Davilion | im really bored tonight |
| 20:01.05 | Huhn | I'm going to see a film, laters |
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| 21:25.21 | Tarragon | Evening |
| 21:26.46 | Leeds | hi |
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| 22:27.08 | Clyphox | just started a war in netbsd.. I hate vi |
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| 22:32.04 | HuhnZzZ | nn |
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| 22:42.26 | Clyphox | Hi formi |
| 22:42.46 | formi | hiya |
| 22:43.21 | formi | anything going on in here? |
| 22:43.23 | Clyphox | I'm gonna be testing that cd-rw tomorrow.. been out of town for awhile.. |
| 22:43.28 | Clyphox | not really |
| 22:43.52 | formi | I spent about 1/2 hour testing a hub |
| 22:43.57 | Clyphox | how? |
| 22:44.09 | formi | the bloody thing is foobared |
| 22:44.28 | Clyphox | how did you test it I meant |
| 22:44.30 | formi | it seems to detect random ports as 100mbit |
| 22:44.37 | formi | flood pings |
| 22:44.55 | formi | probably the cache is dodgy as well |
| 22:45.11 | formi | the lights go balistic with 1 ping |
| 22:45.47 | Clyphox | so how did you fix/test it? |
| 22:45.48 | formi | there are about 40% collisions with just 2 machines plugged in and pinging each other |
| 22:45.52 | Clyphox | damn |
| 22:46.22 | formi | that means im getting no 10/100 hub for free |
| 22:46.56 | formi | have you seen resudaed today? |
| 22:47.06 | Clyphox | He left about 30min ago |
| 22:47.19 | Clyphox | Prolly busy being bossed around by my sister atm |
| 22:47.33 | Clyphox | need to pass a message on? |
| 22:47.41 | formi | did he mentioned anything about his new/2nd hand laptop? |
| 22:48.04 | Clyphox | A few HW problems iirc |
| 22:48.11 | Clyphox | Can't remember.. |
| 22:48.23 | Clyphox | Told me you were busy flogging lots 'o your stuff |
| 22:48.42 | formi | with the hardware or configuring the hardware ?? |
| 22:49.12 | Clyphox | no idea.. I don't remember to be honest.. |
| 22:49.26 | Clyphox | there may well have been no problem.. I have a poor memory |
| 22:49.36 | Clyphox | got anything your selling btw? |
| 22:49.57 | formi | lets see |
| 22:50.18 | formi | external zip 100 scsi with no data cable |
| 22:50.24 | Clyphox | got |
| 22:50.48 | formi | 2gb + 4gb internal uwscsi seagate hds |
| 22:51.00 | formi | 7200 rpm |
| 22:51.00 | Clyphox | in ss4 no? |
| 22:51.06 | Clyphox | er ss5 |
| 22:51.08 | formi | no |
| 22:51.19 | formi | ss5 got no uwsci |
| 22:51.20 | Clyphox | Ahh I might conscider the 4g |
| 22:51.59 | formi | and they are sca, so unless you get an adaptor that would be more expensive than the hd... |
| 22:52.12 | formi | sorry |
| 22:52.14 | Clyphox | Whats sca? |
| 22:52.22 | formi | adaptor > hd |
| 22:52.30 | Clyphox | scsi? |
| 22:52.42 | formi | it's a weird scsi + power in one connector |
| 22:52.56 | formi | most high scsi used to be sca |
| 22:53.09 | Clyphox | I only have a 50/68 scsi.. |
| 22:54.33 | Clyphox | pity.. |
| 22:54.38 | Clyphox | I like scsi |
| 22:55.20 | formi | you are getting confused |
| 22:55.39 | Clyphox | I know. |
| 22:55.49 | formi | ss5 use sca, my uwscsi disks (not in the ss5) are 68pin internal |
| 22:56.09 | Clyphox | Oh UltraWide |
| 22:56.17 | Clyphox | ohh no problem then.. |
| 22:56.26 | formi | high end things, I paid ?100 for the 4gb about 3 years ago |
| 22:56.29 | Clyphox | I didn't realise you were talking about the ss5 |
| 22:57.03 | formi | i thought you were talking about using the uwscsi with the ss5 |
| 22:57.04 | Clyphox | I gave Resudaed my 9g scsi hdd. 68 pin too |
| 22:57.10 | Clyphox | Ahh hehe |
| 22:57.19 | Clyphox | no I'm buy/getting that already :-) |
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| 23:11.26 | Clyphox | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:25.56 | formi | well |
| 23:26.07 | formi | im off to rest my eyes |
| 23:26.22 | formi | good night |
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| 23:50.13 | adhoc | !! |
| 23:50.30 | Tarragon | Hi Kim! |
| 23:50.58 | Tarragon | HOpe you and Janet are fine. |