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00:04.37Leedshmm... apparently Iraq uses UK-style 3-pin plugs...
00:04.48pdrreally?
00:05.04pdrhow do you know that?
00:05.28Leedsvideo on News 24 from inside an Iraqi hospital
00:05.45Leedscertainly *looked* like a UK-style socket
00:07.25Leedsand according to http://www.1rez.com/entry/d0/104/ they use 50Hz 220V, and the UK plug is one of the standard types
00:08.52pdrinteresting.
00:18.53Leedsif you're in the mood for it, lots of interesting stuff at http://www.enrp.undp.org/general/default.htm
00:19.22dpashwe use 230V
00:19.49dpashmost UK appliances (esp over 10 years old) are designed for 240V
00:21.15dpashI get too much spam
00:21.16dpashnight
00:21.42pdrnight
00:23.04Leedsnight
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10:31.09oopshi all
10:32.06Leedshey
10:33.15Leedswhat's up?
10:39.00oopsi'm looking for some infos about linux activities in london
10:39.32oopseverything regarding linux in the city such as shops meetings etc
10:46.19Leedsare you visiting? moving here?
10:46.32Leeds(since you look like you're logging in from Italy...)
10:47.15Leedseither way, there are two main London-wide groups - GLLUG and Lonix
10:47.43oopsmy friend moved there then i'll visiting for a month
10:48.03LeedsGLLUG meets every 6 weeks or so, and we're currently alternating between beginner/practical/installfest meetings, and more talk-oriented meetings
10:48.39LeedsLonix meets about once a month and is usually a night out, starting at a pub, going on to a restaurant, during the week
10:49.06LeedsGLLUG meets on a Saturday afternoon, near Tottenham Court Road, the center of computer shopping in London
10:49.15Leedswhen are you coming over?
10:49.50oopson thusday in the afternoon
10:50.20Leedsthis thursday? the 27th?
10:50.37oopsyes this thursday
10:50.54LeedsI don't know when the next Lonix is - their website is still advertising the February meeting...
10:51.23Leedsbut we've got a GLLUG meeting penciled in for 12th April, which should be okay with you
10:51.47oopsgood :)
10:52.56Leedswhat I'd suggest, assuming you'll be reading e-mail in London, is subscribing to the GLLUG-announce mailing list - it's only used for announcements of upcoming meetings, and you can leave it when you leave London, but it means you'll get the official announcement of the meeting when it's made
10:53.05oopswhat places do you suggest me other than tottenham court road?
10:53.18Leedsdepends on what you want :-)
10:53.59oopsi don't know how to connect when i'll be there but i'll bring my laptop with me
10:54.21Leedshttp://list.ftech.net/mailman/listinfo/gllug-announce is the webpage for the announce list...
10:54.48oopsi'm interesting in unix computing in general and everything moves around them
10:55.10oopsoops
10:55.11oops:)
10:56.53Leedsthere are also a couple of groups outside central London, but I don't know much about them, and it really depends on where you're going to be staying...  GLLUG and Lonix are the two central London/greater London groups
10:58.52oopsoh for now i don't know too, but i'll uncover asap
10:59.39oopsdo you know if there are any shop dedicated to unix world?
10:59.54Leedsthere aren't really...
11:00.07Leedsthere's the PC bookshop (which I've never been in)
11:01.10Leedsand there's the Linux Emporium, but that's only an online shop, apart from the guy who runs it coming to GLLUG meetings and selling CDs :-)
11:01.30oopsi'm also intersting in engeenering' bookshop, do you know right places?
11:01.55oopshehe :) also cheeplinux is from london?
11:02.45Leedsnot really... the best place I can think of would be university bookshops - there are a lot of different universities (most are actually colleges of the University of London) in town...
11:03.29oopsok many thanks man
11:03.52Leedsah... cheeplinux are a division of Definite Software and hosted at uklinux.net - both are previous business ventures of a GLLUG guy :-)
11:04.55Leedseither way, linuxemporium.co.uk is a good friend of ours - he's a good community man :-)
11:05.24oopsthey only sell online? they are very cheap but they become expensive when i buy from italy :)
11:05.56oopsthey have good products
11:06.06Leedswhich one are you talking about?
11:06.55oopscheeplinux,  i don't know linuxemporium
11:07.09Leedsyou should know linuxemporium :-)
11:07.41oopsi'll look on the web
11:08.17Leedsas an example, he'll charge 10.50 pounds to send 3 Slackware CDs to Italy
11:08.24Leedsibot change 10.5 gbp to eur
11:09.18Leedsand we have a bot who does currency conversions :-)
11:09.35oopssimply wonderful 8)
11:10.14Leedsibot botsnack
11:10.14:), Leeds
11:12.47oopsthey have much interesting cds
11:13.09oopsscyld beowulf and ltsp cds
11:13.23Leedsyup - John tends to put together good CDs
11:17.08Leedsit's worth noting that if you are planning to come to GLLUG, John (who runs linuxemporium) will probably be there, and will sell CDs with no shipping cost :-)
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11:18.58oopsbut do you have a place where you meet everydayt or just you meet at meetings or on irc?
11:19.05oops:)
11:19.47Leedswe have an active (sometimes too active!) mailing list and IRC, and people often meet at the pub on Saturday afternoon after shopping on Tottenham Court Road...
11:20.05Leedsbut there's no formal meeting except the every 4-6 weeks one
11:20.10Leedsor Lonix
11:20.19formihello
11:20.23Leedshey formi
11:20.42Leedshave a good time yesterday?
11:20.46formicacio
11:20.58formireally good
11:21.09Leedsgood
11:21.32formiI actually found a little bunch of BNG guys with a flag
11:22.05formiand we had quite a laugh together
11:22.21formiI didn't see Jason though
11:22.23Leedsoops: I don't know where you are in Italy, but London is a *really* big city, and GLLUG people are spread all over it (and a few from outside London - or even outside the UK!), so it's quite a big thing when we all meet... there are usually more than 100 people at meetnigs
11:22.29oopsok if i'll see some geeks around tottenham court on saturday afternoon i'll offer you all a beer
11:23.04formioops: just give me a call and tell me where is the birra
11:23.15Leedsformi: always up for free beer? :-)
11:23.22oopshehe :)
11:23.35oopswe have openbeer.it
11:23.38formiwell in my position of anticapitalist
11:24.01Leedsoops: ha, nice :-)
11:24.04formii saw a few st*za guys yesterday
11:24.36formiLeeds: if i had money i would offer free beer
11:24.40oopsformi: what a st*za guy?
11:25.12formiit's a secretive it anti-capitalist group
11:25.21formihighly organized
11:25.36oopsuh
11:26.06oopshow much cost a beer?
11:26.24Leedsin London? 3+ Euro
11:26.26formi3 million old liras
11:26.57oopsso it's not too expensive
11:27.03formijust joking; i would estimate about 9K
11:27.24LeedsI think it's quite expensive...
11:27.48oopshere a small beer costs around 2 euros
11:27.53oopsand a medium around 4 euros
11:28.01Leedsoops: can I ask where in Italy you are?  I'm nosey...
11:28.07formioops: Leeds thinks everything is too expensive, if it is not a toy
11:28.18oopsi'm from milan
11:28.37oops:)
11:28.38Leedsa small is 250ml?  We have been in pints here... about 570ml (or a half-pint)
11:28.55formimilano, i used to have a friend from there, Chiro, we used to call him
11:28.57LeedsI still remember that it was pound-a-pint at Uni in 1998
11:29.45oopsi think medium is half-pint
11:30.05Leedsbut that was 5 years ago, not in London, and in a university...
11:30.14Leeds4 euros for a half-pint! wow... that is expensive
11:31.08oopsyeah a medium beer costs quite like a cocktail
11:31.16Leedsmaybe London is cheap after all :-)
11:31.20oopsa cocktail from 5 to 7 euros
11:31.59formiin my place a nice Grimberger is about ?2
11:32.00oopsbtw i'm talking about beer in a pub
11:32.16oopsif you go to the market you spent much less
11:32.31formis/Grimberger/Grimbergen Optimo Bruno
11:32.56Leedsoops: of course..
11:33.09formiLeeds: if you are wondering that is PROPER beer
11:33.27Leedsformi: what do you mean by proper beer?
11:33.56oopswhat's your best (proper!) beer?
11:34.03formiLeeds: my local somerfield sells most beer at about 80% of the pub just opposite
11:34.24formiLeeds: it might be hopeless trying to explain, don't you think?
11:35.00Leedsformi: I mean what kind of beer?  in this country, PROPER beer means bitter or stout, depending on where you are - I like European lager...
11:36.07formiit is a very fruity dark beer, called in gz toasted beer, about 10%
11:36.19oopsso talking about beer now i'll would like to know what pubs or something night like related places do you suggest me
11:36.21Leedssounds nice :-)
11:36.21highburymorning guys
11:36.27Leedshey highbury
11:36.37oopshi highbury
11:36.45formibeer atracts geeks, like manure atratcs flies
11:36.55formihi highbury
11:36.56oopsahua :)
11:37.02highburyoops: If you want Computing & Engineering bookstore, then Foyles new Tottenham Court Road, is very good
11:37.47highburyPC BookStore in Holborn is most excellent, the also do real goof mailorder from www.pcbooks.co.uk
11:37.55oopsthanks man i'll go there certainly!
11:38.57highburyhmm, I'd like somebody to buy the latest Oreilly CD collections, so I could borrow them...
11:38.58formihighbury: I do find PC BookStore a bit on the small side, not a nice place to go with 2+ friends
11:39.15highburyit is highly concentrated :-)
11:39.37highburyFoyles is better for that
11:40.47highburyFoyles *used* to be infamous for being a weird shop, in the way it used to sell and display books. Now is pretty standard, but still with probably the biggest selection
11:41.07oopshere you can find compunting  and engineering books from 50 to 80 euros ... i thinks they are very expensive
11:41.34oopsif they are written in english, if they are translated they cost much less
11:41.44highburyEngineering books will probably always be expensive
11:41.49formia question: another freebe I gave resuDaed was a serial-irda device, do you think it is a hardware only business, or it would need specialized drivers?
11:42.26Leedsformi: it'll probably need some drivers... but Linux should be okay with it, I think
11:42.48oopssure but they have price on the fourth and they differ much if they are in sterlin or in euros ;)
11:43.06Leedsseey highbury
11:43.11formioops: all books worth it are a rip-off, in the us half of all books are never sold, and end up being pulped
11:43.37formiafter shipping them around the country for no apparent reason
11:44.26oopsso i'm intend to go to Foyles :)
11:44.46oopswhat's resuDead?
11:44.53oopsbye highbury
11:45.04Leedsoops: he's a user here
11:45.26oopsops :/
11:46.17formioops: what kind of books are you after?
11:46.44oopsi know i'm probably off topic but i don't know if it granted or not here ... btw what places do you suggest me where i can heard good music?
11:46.55oopsafter?
11:47.13Leedsoops: he means "what kind of books to you want?"
11:47.15formilooking for?
11:47.28oopsah ok sorry for my poor english
11:47.46formioops: i shall not mention my poor italian
11:47.56Leedsbetter than my Italian :-)
11:48.05oopsi'm looking for pratical data structures and algorithms by shaffer
11:48.10formieven though i understand it quite well
11:48.18oopshehe :)
11:48.50formienough to take the mick out of Giuliana
11:50.16oopsi like iberian penisula ;)_
11:50.54oopsi've to go away for a while
11:51.08formichiao
11:51.08oopsmany thanks guys
11:51.11oopsbbl
11:51.16oopssciao :)
11:51.50Leedsno probs
11:57.23formiLeeds: so i suppose you didn't join the "minority" yesterday?
11:57.54LeedsI didn't join anything yesterday
11:59.36formii was going to say something but i don't know if there is any point
12:00.50formis/i don't know/i don't think
12:01.05LeedsI would like to point out that Amazon have "The Magic Garden Explained" (which is about the internals of Unix) marked as being in the "Computers & Internet" and "Home & Garden" categories :-)
12:05.06formii would have thougth by reading the title that it would be about planting some mushrooms, grass, peyote ...
12:05.33Leedswhich is why Amazon marked it as "Home & Garden"
12:06.55Leedsmy brain? or yours? :-)
12:07.33Leedsmy point is that Amazon didn't even read their own description of the book before categorising it
12:07.45formimy throat is in just a bad state, that Barry White sounds like a baby next to me
12:07.58formis/just/such
12:08.10Leedsah
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12:08.49formiLeeds: my remark about my brain, it meant that I can guess that
12:09.16formihi cupis
12:09.19cupishi
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12:11.27formii can read between lines, behind lines, on the line, off the line, lined up, up the line and with a line
12:12.03Jensonafternoon formi
12:12.15formihi jenny
12:12.51Jensonhow are you?
12:13.04formilike shit on the sun
12:13.44Jensoninteresting definiton
12:13.50Jensons/definition
12:14.22Jensonheh#]
12:15.59JensonHeya Leeds
12:16.05Leedsafternoon
12:16.15Leedsargh... got to go get a haircut...
12:16.31LeedsI'm getting bushy, and my barber closes at 1
12:16.56LeedsI know...
12:17.09formi_BRBi know how to do it
12:17.14Leedsit's because my body clock is so screwed up... it still feels like mid-morning to me
12:17.14formi_BRBi cut my own
12:17.30Leedsformi_BRB: and everyone can tell :-)
12:17.41formi_BRBdrive down to my place and I'll charge you half what you usually pay
12:18.00Jensonmy hair needs cutting too
12:18.04Jensonand it needs washing
12:18.20Jensoni coated in gel and now it looks more greasy than it did
12:18.21formi_BRBburn it, it's faster,
12:18.26Jensons/in/it in
12:18.39Jensonformi_BRB: I would, but zimm's got miy lighter
12:19.12formi_BRBJenson: are you really going out with him?
12:19.18Jensoni am
12:19.53formi_BRBwell then stop mentioning him all the time, and add "my ex" type of remarks to the list
12:20.25Jensonuh, what, i mentioned him once formi_BRB
12:23.21Jensonseeya later Leeds
12:23.43formi_BRBLeeds mind the barber
12:48.35dpashhi Jenson
12:49.31Jensonhey dpash
12:50.01Jensonawww
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13:06.44Jensonheh
13:06.45formiibot: what is shorn?
13:06.45formi: I think you lost me on that one
13:07.23Leedsand while I've been out, I've finished downloading NWN
13:11.24formihttp://theregister.co.uk/content/6/29883.html
13:11.40formiim getting more radical by the microsecond
13:24.22oops_formi: listen king prawn - day in day out
13:24.50formiquo vadis?
13:26.20oops_a good song about cams that watches the world
13:28.32oops_s/watches/watch 8)
13:30.32formithe pr0n industry pushed the developmet of most digital gear and the internet
13:31.04formithen govs took the technology and used it to spy on its citizens
13:44.22JensonBBL
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13:46.54dpashformi: they certianly pushes e-commerce
13:47.13formiwell
13:47.32formipr0n should became open source
13:47.47oops_8) i agree
13:48.10dpashshocking women on it
13:48.20dpashreally nasty accents
13:48.32formiwhat did they have brains?
13:48.47dpashif they didn't they use any of them
13:48.59dpashdidn't/did
13:49.19dpashif they did, they didn't use any of them
13:53.52dpashokay I'm going in a minute
13:54.07Leedsdpash: where?
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14:29.25formithe denominative cx, where is supposed to point to? Country I mean.
14:30.25Leedschristmas island
14:30.53formidodgy one then?
14:32.49Leedsdodgy what?
14:33.57formiit sound like one of those domains that were bought of a country, and then resold
14:34.11formis/domain/domain prefix
14:35.05LeedsI'm not sure... but I know that for a while they were giving free domains to open source stuff... then tried to charge people for them
14:35.21formiwell that is pdr for you
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14:37.00Leedsibot lart formi
14:37.35formihehe, im sitting on my armchair, so have achieved nothing
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15:25.27OrangeSkieshi all
15:26.35Leedshey
15:27.51OrangeSkiesmy network is a notwork
15:28.16Leedswhat did you do to it
15:28.33OrangeSkieswell, i have mdk installed and run the wizards on each and something seems to be working
15:28.39OrangeSkiesbut i can't share my internet connection
15:28.51OrangeSkiesand i have no idea how i'm meant to access the files on one machine from the other
15:29.24pdr(OT) india a putting in a concerted effort, but they need 137 runs of the last 13 overs! :)
15:29.36pdrs/a/are/
15:29.37Leedsthanks for that, pdr :-)
15:29.39pdr:)
15:29.51pdrany time
15:30.55LeedsOrangeSkies: more context please
15:33.36OrangeSkiesLeeds: i don't really know how to explain it other than i run the mdk wizards and when i click 'connect' on the 2nd machine while the 1st is connected to the internet, data appears to be sent and received and the lights on my hub start flashing... but i can't get to any websites from mozilla
15:33.36LeedsOrangeSkies: you've got how many machines?  one of them has and internet connection and you want to share it?  and you want to share files between the machines?
15:33.45OrangeSkiesthat's right
15:33.54Leeds2 machines?
15:33.56OrangeSkiesthey're hooked up thru a hub because i'd like to add some more at a later date
15:34.07OrangeSkiesyeah, machine1 has dial up internet connection working fine
15:34.13Leedson a dial-up connections
15:34.28Leedsapparently using FRIACO from tiscali :-)
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15:34.47OrangeSkiesi feel naked
15:34.54Leedscan you ping between the machines, alex?
15:35.05Leeds:-)
15:35.14OrangeSkieshehe, i'll try...
15:35.45Leedshey cupis
15:35.48OrangeSkiesyeah i can =]
15:35.48cupishey
15:36.38Leedsright, how did you do that?
15:37.51Leedshello?
15:38.10OrangeSkiessorry, girlfriend came on!
15:38.19OrangeSkiesping <ip address> from consol
15:38.36Leedscan you ping by name?
15:38.52OrangeSkiesuh, i don't know what the machine names are =/
15:38.59Leedsokay :-)
15:39.05OrangeSkiesany way of finding out?
15:39.17cupisOrangeSkies: hostname(1)
15:39.26Leedstry running hostname - that will tell you what the machine thinks it's called
15:39.36OrangeSkiesok...
15:39.43OrangeSkiesBoxNet :D
15:39.56LeedsBoxNet?
15:40.03OrangeSkiesi think i set up both machines to have the same hostname
15:40.06OrangeSkieshehe yeah
15:40.16Leedsoops
15:40.45OrangeSkieswanting to change it then huh...
15:40.54Leedsnot right now
15:40.57OrangeSkiesoh ok
15:41.12Leedsso, there are two problems... the file-sharing is easier, so we'll start with that :-)
15:41.41OrangeSkieswell it says im 'connected' via lan in the 'internet access' box.. but i can't get to any sites... i think my dns ip is wrong
15:41.47OrangeSkiesok =]
15:42.07Leedstry running "traceroute -n 129.156.199.158" on the 'inside' box... see what happens
15:42.13OrangeSkies'inside'?
15:42.32Leedsthe one without an internet connection
15:42.34OrangeSkiestraceroute - command not found hehe
15:43.18Leedswell install it
15:43.35OrangeSkiesi can only find a gui in urpmi
15:44.50highburytraceroute must be run as root
15:44.54OrangeSkiesaha
15:44.58Leedshighbury: what?
15:45.03highburyits not usually on users searchpath
15:45.12Leedsah, setuid in /usr/bin on my machine
15:45.20highburyon my machine its /sbin/traceroute
15:45.28OrangeSkiesthanks that worked =]
15:45.34cupis-rwsr-xr-x    1 root     root        18056 Jan 11 00:33 /usr/bin/traceroute
15:46.04LeedsOrangeSkies: so what do you get?
15:46.06OrangeSkiesso what am i looking for now?
15:46.12highbury-rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root        14040 2002-09-09 20:59 /usr/sbin/traceroute
15:46.13OrangeSkieswant me to paste it?
15:46.22Leedsdescribe it
15:46.28cupishighbury: what distro?
15:46.33OrangeSkies7 ip addresses
15:46.33cupis(if any)
15:46.44highburySuSE 8.1
15:46.48OrangeSkieswith 3 numbers after them in m/s
15:47.02OrangeSkiesthe last line having !N after each number
15:47.04Leedsthe important thing is - does it get past your LAN?
15:47.06highburyif you have it, xtraceroute is pretty
15:47.29OrangeSkiesthe second ip address is 192.168.255.200
15:48.07OrangeSkiesi don't know if that's important tho...
15:48.26LeedsOrangeSkies: I don't know what it means... do you have any addresses which aren't in 192.168?
15:48.49OrangeSkieson my network?
15:49.00Leedsno! in the traceroute
15:49.17OrangeSkieshehe yeah they're all non 192.168 apart from the second =]
15:49.44Leedsright, so you're getting out on the internet
15:49.57Leedswhat is in /etc/resolv.conf on the two machines?
15:49.57OrangeSkieslooks like it
15:50.09OrangeSkiesi'll have a look...
15:52.36OrangeSkieson machine 1, 'search localdomain' and 3 entries 'nameserver <ip>'
15:53.09OrangeSkieson machine 2, 'search localdomain' and 1 entry 'nameserver 192.168.1.1' (the ip of machine 1)
15:53.27OrangeSkiesshould the name server on machine 2 be the same as on machine 1?
15:53.35Leedstry it
15:53.45OrangeSkiesok... i thought this might be the problem...
15:56.38OrangeSkiesit still gets stuck on 'resolving host'
15:56.39OrangeSkiesbrb
16:05.23OrangeSkiesi'm back sorry bout that, my mum wanted some lunch =]
16:06.54Leedsand where's my lunch, huh?
16:06.56Leeds:-)
16:07.11OrangeSkiesmachine 2 gets past 'resolving host' in mozilla now but sticks at 'connecting to...'
16:07.19OrangeSkieshehe, you missed ur chance
16:07.48Leedstry going to http://195.82.99.3
16:08.03OrangeSkiesok
16:08.37OrangeSkiesit does the same, sticks on 'connecting to'
16:09.25Leedsand if you traceroute to that address?
16:09.56OrangeSkiesnothing =[
16:10.02OrangeSkiesjust *'s
16:10.40Leedsnothing at all?
16:10.48OrangeSkiesno just 1 * * *
16:10.48Leedsif you do traceroute -n?
16:10.50OrangeSkies2 * * *
16:10.52OrangeSkiesyeah
16:10.59OrangeSkiesfrom machine 2 right?
16:11.24Leedsyeah
16:11.26Leedsstrange
16:11.32Leedsif it worked before for 129.156.199.158
16:11.35OrangeSkiesi can ping machine 1's ip no problem
16:12.01OrangeSkieshang on... i did the first traceroute from machine 1!
16:12.04Leedscan you ping 195.82.99.3?
16:12.30OrangeSkiesfrom machine 2, no, 1, yes
16:13.04Leedsum...
16:13.12Leedsokay...
16:13.30OrangeSkiesshould the gateway of machine 2 be set to the ip of machine 1?
16:13.53Leedsyes
16:13.56OrangeSkiesargh this is annoying it says its connected =[
16:14.08Leeds*what* says it's connected?
16:14.11OrangeSkiesshall we forget net connection sharing for a minute and try to access some files?
16:14.24OrangeSkiesthe 'internet access' box in mandrake control center
16:14.51OrangeSkiesunder 'networking', 'connection'
16:15.23Leedsah, ignore that crap... it's the core command-line stuff you can trust
16:15.56Leeds:-)
16:16.06Leedsright... on machine one, become root
16:16.11OrangeSkieshehe
16:16.14OrangeSkiesok
16:16.31Leedsrun iptables -L
16:16.53OrangeSkiesok... a lot of stuff, what am i looking for?
16:17.02Leedsfeel free to flood me in a /msg
16:17.13OrangeSkieshehe won't i get kicked off the server?
16:17.25LeedsI don't think so... or you could try dcc-chatting me
16:18.08OrangeSkiesi don't know how on xchat argh
16:18.15OrangeSkiesi hate being a noob hehe
16:18.30Leedswell, you started the chat :-)  It doesn't seem to have appeared as a tab, which I'd expect... I don't know how, either
16:18.38Leedsjust /msg me - it should be okay
16:18.39OrangeSkieslol
16:18.44OrangeSkiesok :)
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17:43.15formispot the geeks in action
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19:28.12resuDaedevening all
19:28.16Jensonheya resuDaed
19:28.44resuDaed*I have a laptop*
19:28.47resuDaed:-)
19:28.51Jensoncool
19:29.14JensonSomething else that will annoy Beth when it gets more attention than her then :D
19:29.39resuDaedum yeah, se's being going on at me for about 2 hours
19:29.54resuDaed(I am at her house on my laptop :-)
19:30.12Jensonpoor woman lol
19:31.45resuDaedyeah well, I need to get mandrake off this thing, get either slack or debian on (preferably debian) so I can take it to work tomorrow
19:32.22Jensonis mandrake that bad?
19:32.29resuDaedIMHO yes
19:33.16resuDaedits not that bad as such, I just want a fresh install, and I don't like mandrake compared to debian
19:33.22Jensonand how is chatting on irc helping you remove mandrake and install debian
19:33.34resuDaedit's not, I have only got the network  up
19:34.21resuDaedthought I deserved a break
19:34.52Jensongood idea
19:35.18resuDaedis anyone else awake in here?
19:35.29resuDaed(for my technical questions)
19:36.19Jensoni dont think
19:36.20Jensonso
19:36.22Jensonlol
19:37.10Jensoni'm freaking myself out by reading about schizophrenia, which isnt sensible after the time I convinced myself I'd got tardive dyskenesia
19:39.04LeedsresuDaed: quick question?
19:43.33LeedsI guess not...
19:43.48Jensonyeh i guess not Leeds
19:55.27JensonIsn't there anyone to talk to tonight?
19:56.50JensonSo do I
19:56.57JensonBeen awake since 6:45
19:57.15Leedsit's not so much that... I woke up at 9:30
19:57.39Leedsbut I really need to go to work at a civilised time, which means getting up earlier, which means sleeping earlier
19:57.59Jensonwhat time are you meant to go to work?
19:58.10Leedswell, no specific time...
19:58.35LeedsI've been getting in between 11 and 12, which is a little too late... I should probably aim to be there at about 10
19:58.54JensonHow many hours do you have to work in a day then?
19:59.03Leeds8.5 including an hour for lunch
19:59.20Leedsbut I almost always have lunch at my desk anyway
19:59.31Jensonyeh, best to get there about 10, otherwise you get home a bit late
19:59.54LeedsI'm used to it... but it would be nice to get home before 7
20:00.10JensonDo you live with anyone else?
20:00.28Leedsnope
20:00.44JensonI've asked you before I expect
20:00.51Leedsprobably :-)
20:00.55Jenson:)
20:01.29Leedsanyway... I need to call my parents
20:01.37Jensonhave fun
20:10.12resuDaedevening again
20:11.53Jensonhi resuDaed
20:14.46resuDaedsorry, got sidetracked
20:20.20JensonBBS
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20:21.04dankolbEvening
20:21.15Leedsprove it!
20:21.36dankolb>leeds< CTCP TIME
20:21.36dankolb-Leeds- TIME Sun Mar 23 20:21:32
20:21.45dankolbThat is in the period known as evening.
20:21.48Leedsfair point :-)
20:21.57dankolb:)
20:22.21dankolbHow goes?
20:22.31Leedsnot bad
20:22.43Leedsyou?
20:22.52dankolbFairly good.
20:23.00dankolbExtremely tired - only got 4.5 hours sleep last night
20:23.44dankolbWell, I have a bit of the long-term stuff too
20:24.24LeedsI tend to get quite a lot of sleep at the weekend, 6 hours or so during the week
20:24.45dankolbBut how much sleep do you normally require?
20:25.31Leedshttp://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=25922&cid=2815414
20:26.08Leedssince you asked :-)
20:27.13dankolb:-)
20:29.07Leedsit's actually entirely true... I had thought that to myself that morning in the lift
20:30.37dankolbYou have lifts at work? Bah :-P
20:30.54Leeds3rd floor... it would do me a lot of good to use the stairs...
20:31.08dankolb:)
20:31.10Leedsargh, fucking spammer fuckwits
20:31.37dankolbSpamassassin
20:31.58dankolbBTW, did I miss Jenson on here earlier?
20:32.32Leedsyeah
20:32.36dankolbOkay.
20:32.37Leedsand yeah :-)
20:32.46dankolbI decided to watch Futurama instead
20:33.15Leedsand yeah once more
20:33.35Leedsand no to that
20:33.43dankolbWould you like a copy?
20:33.52Leedsnot particularly...
20:33.58dankolbFairy nuff
20:33.59dankolb:)
20:34.09Leedsthat is, I don't particularly feel the need to own a copy... I watch it on TV
20:34.15dankolbAh :)
20:34.32Leedsand I'm watching Fawlty Towers right now
20:34.36dankolbCool :)
20:34.57Leedsthe one on this evening was where Zoidberg eats the flag and his planet invades Earth
20:35.18dankolbErr. I can't remember seeing that one
20:35.57dankolbOoh. Reduced Shakespeare Radio Show. BBC7 now.
20:36.23Leedsooh
20:36.33dankolbHamlet
20:36.58Leedstime to tell the TiVo that I get BBC7 :-)
20:37.08dankolb:-)
20:38.29LeedsBTW, the futurama ep on tonight was 5x4
20:38.51Leedsaccording to http://www.tvtome.com/Futurama/eplist.html
20:39.31dankolbAh. I've only seen up to 5x3 now
20:39.48dankolb5x2 was a rather sad one (with Seymour the dog)
20:39.50Leedsoops...
20:42.25Leedssky are showing one a week
20:43.21dankolbYeah - I think these are from US TV - Sky is a couple of weeks behind
20:44.16LeedsI'm completely up-to-date (with US TV) on Buffy and Angel though :-)
20:47.16dankolb:)
20:47.55Leedsand there are only 6 (?) eps of Buffy left :-( :-(
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20:51.12dankolb6 episodes ever?
20:51.30Leedsever :-(
20:51.55dankolbWell, best cancel before it gets crap
20:52.04Leedsthat's part of the reason
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20:53.58dankolbYeah
20:54.01dankolbWhat about Angel?
20:54.26Leedsprobably going to continue, but I think the ratings aren't amazing right now
20:54.40Leedsthey've started end-of-Buffy crossovers, which should give it a boost...
20:54.49dankolbWell, spinoff series rarely are as good
20:55.30LeedsAngel has diverged somewhat - both shows rely on a canon of background knowledge, and some of it is different in Angel now from Buffy
20:55.39dankolbAh okay
20:56.23Leedsthe current and previous series of Buffy are on a different channel from Angel... they weren't allowed to do cross-overs until it was relatively certain that Buffy was ending
20:57.31Leedscompressed Hamlet :-)
20:57.56LeedsI've seen them do it live...
20:58.54dankolb:-)
20:59.06dankolbI take it it's worth seeing the stageshow?
20:59.20Leedsyeah... as long as you know some Shakespeare
20:59.39dankolbI know some
20:59.41LeedsI would imagine it's very very boring if you don't appreciate the original
21:00.06LeedsI don't know much, but I know enough, and I know the style... and I appreciate that the originals are really quite good
21:00.33Leedsif you're (/me gets snobbish) of the "it's all old-fashioned and boring" crowd, it's probably shit
21:02.49LeedsI'd quite like to see their one-night bible
21:07.08dankolb:)
21:07.19dankolbI never liked Shakespeare books or films
21:07.29dankolbHowever, I saw one theatre production (Macbeth) and liked it
21:09.29LeedsI saw an interesting Hamlet in Sydney... from a drama school... it was modernish, overplayed somewhat... female Horatio with a video camera... small theatre and we were on the front row - enough that I picked my jacket up to stop getting blood on it :-)
21:09.53dankolb:)
21:11.06Leedswe went because a friend of one of my sister's friends was in it - most of the audience were family or friends (or friends of friends)
21:11.17dankolb:)
21:12.06dankolbI'd like to see their 'Entire works of Shakespeare'
21:12.26Leedsthat's the one I saw...  I liked it
21:12.37dankolbWhat about the Bible, Abridged
21:12.37dankolb?
21:13.01Leedsnot seen it - would like to
21:13.20dankolbLikewise
21:13.31Leedswanna try to get a GLLUG group together?
21:13.35dankolbGood idea.
21:14.45Leedsit appears to be on on Thursdays at 8pm
21:15.04dankolbI could get to London for that time
21:15.07Leedsme too
21:15.25Leedstickets go from 10 to 32.50
21:15.36dankolb£10-15 sounds reasonable to me
21:16.24Leedswe used to have some 1/2 price vouchers at work... might see if there are still some
21:16.55Leedswe used them for the last time :-)
21:17.14dankolbHow many vouchers can you use? (i.e. can you use them for non-Sun people)
21:17.24Leedsoh, sure...
21:17.32Leedsas many as needed
21:17.41dankolb:-)
21:17.47LeedsI don't know if we still have them though... or if they cover the bible, for that matter
21:18.28dankolbWell, I'd still like to see the entire plays in 90min
21:18.49LeedsI'll check tomorrow...  I may be up for seeing the entire works again...
21:19.13LeedsI feel that I live in the cultural capital of the country and don't get out enough :-)
21:19.45dankolbI'd like to go see more stuff in London - it's not that far on the train for me
21:22.04dankolbresuDaed's girlfriend yesterday accused him of not wanting to go to theatres with her. Maybe that's why he quit, when we were talking about it :)
21:22.52Leedsho hum
21:26.00dankolbyeah
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21:30.25Jensonlol Leeds, with shorter hair too
21:31.27Leedsyup
21:31.37Jenson:)
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21:46.35marko85_ukhey gllugers
21:46.37marko85_uk:)
21:47.32dankolbhey
21:48.52marko85_ukdankolb when i type wvdial
21:49.02marko85_ukit tells me dial configuration not correct
21:49.09marko85_ukno user name no password and no number
21:49.35dankolbHave you edited /etc/wvdial.conf ?
21:50.04marko85_uknope
21:50.26dankolbDo that then
21:50.31marko85_ukdo i just type edit /etc/wvdial.conf
21:51.32dankolbNo. You use your favorite text editor
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22:04.06LeedsFUCKY SHITTY WINDOWS CRAP BOLLOCKS
22:04.37resuDaedLeeds : agreed
22:04.37stephenhmm, having an interesting evening there Leeds?
22:04.39marko85_ukleeds what is wrong?
22:04.39dankolb:)
22:05.07Leedsmy mum's bloody network setup...
22:05.16resuDaedLeeds ??
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22:07.17cupisevening
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22:33.12dankolbhey Dave
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22:37.46dankolbwb Tom
22:38.36denivrihi
22:38.42denivrihows  it going?
22:38.57denivrii have a reason for being so slow tonight
22:39.23denivriim at my flat, with no desk, keyboard on knee, mouse on book extended onto knee, eating a bowl of bran flakes balanced on one hand.
22:39.28dankolb:)
22:39.39Leedsyou're doing a one-handed handstand?
22:39.51denivriLeeds: just about
22:39.56denivriits my regieme of healthy eating
22:40.04denivrii keep missing breakfast so im going to eat it before i go to bed :~)
22:46.05Leedssounds like a good plan
22:46.43denivriyeah it also means i dont need to unload the dishwasher in the morning
22:47.00Leedsdishwaher? wimp
22:47.17denivrissince i can put it on before i go to bed, and subsequently dont have dirty dishes to put in the dishwasher which needs emptying in the morning
22:47.34denivriyeah im a wimp, but i hate doing dishes, so its great.
22:47.43denivrii dont mind tidying but lifes' too short to wash dishes
22:47.52denivri(or a housewife)
22:47.59denivribut if i get the latter i'd need a mistress too.
22:48.13denivri<g>
22:48.40denivrii wish somebody would hurry up and bring out a real life bot to do stuff like hoover.
22:49.00denivrithe only automated hoovers ive seen are crap they just prance round the room until they hit something then change direction
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22:57.42Leedshi mum!
22:57.50Mumhi leeds
22:57.55Leedseveryone say hi to my mum!
22:58.00dankolbHi Leeds' Mum!
22:58.10Mumhi everyone
22:58.20Leedsjust checking that her chatzilla works :-)
22:58.26resuDaedHi Mum
22:58.35dankolbSo is Mum going to become a regular here now?
22:58.56MumI'll have to learn what to do first
22:59.11Leedsshe doesn't use Linux and she's not in London... sounds like a typical user :-)
22:59.26Mumand I'm in my 50s
22:59.27dankolbLeeds: You'll have to behave yourself now :)
22:59.47Mumgoodnight boys
23:00.03dankolb'night mum
23:00.14Mum:-) night dan
23:00.40Leedssorry about that :-)
23:00.54dankolbYou didn't even say goodnight to your own dear mother.
23:00.57dankolb:-P
23:01.08LeedsI'm on the phone to her
23:01.09denivrii wish my mum could use the interweb
23:01.41denivriii swear she is like something off of 3 dead trolls in a baggie
23:01.57denivriid never live it down if my mum was on the channel
23:02.12denivrii'd be grounded for life
23:02.41Leedswe've been upgrading her Mozilla to 1.3, and she was wondering what the new "CZ" icon on the component bar was :-)
23:03.23denivriheh
23:03.47dankolb:)
23:04.21dankolb'night all
23:04.25Leedsg'night
23:06.28Leedsbloody hell... 106 minutes on the phone to my mum...
23:09.12Leedsbugger - milk is out-of-date
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23:31.09Leedsright, bed
23:31.19Leeds'night to anyone still awake
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