| 00:07.59 | *** join/#gllug cupis_ (~paul@modem-2856.baboon.dialup.pol.co.uk) |
| 00:24.55 | highbury | oooo, you mean people forcing the guy to redownload Mozilla! |
| 00:31.16 | eye69 | Hehe, I enjoyed that. |
| 00:32.17 | Huhn | re |
| 00:43.33 | resuDaed | ping |
| 00:43.47 | Huhn | pong |
| 00:44.33 | resuDaed | evening Huhn |
| 00:44.40 | resuDaed | or morning |
| 00:44.57 | *** join/#gllug resuDaed (tom@pc-80-193-187-194-en.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 00:45.05 | resuDaed | doh, wrong key :-? |
| 00:45.59 | Huhn | more like morning ;) |
| 00:47.17 | resuDaed | yeah |
| 00:47.42 | Huhn | are we the only ppl awake? |
| 00:47.49 | resuDaed | apparantly so |
| 00:48.21 | resuDaed | I am attempting to debug my x-starting aliases ... kde3 is crashing out when it runs on a different x server |
| 00:48.48 | Huhn | never installed any KDE stuff.. :) |
| 00:48.51 | resuDaed | OOI, do you have any idea what bandwidth/processing requirements are like for remote x? |
| 00:49.10 | resuDaed | I use kmail, and I am attempting to figure out why it is crashing |
| 00:49.31 | resuDaed | I don't actually use kde itself for all intents and purposes, I am a blackbox person |
| 00:49.50 | highbury | I've run it via vnc over a 28k modem |
| 00:50.30 | Huhn | yeah, but is it fun? |
| 00:50.36 | highbury | no |
| 00:50.51 | Huhn | I thought ISDN was too slow.. |
| 00:51.01 | resuDaed | highbury : could you watch a divx through X11 on a 28k modem ;-) |
| 00:51.07 | highbury | if you run kmail from command line you get lots of nice output |
| 00:51.09 | Huhn | resuDaed: lol |
| 00:51.24 | resuDaed | highbury : actually its very ugly output |
| 00:51.31 | highbury | I can't remember if you need to give it a debug flag though |
| 00:51.45 | resuDaed | a problem with xlibs, glx and dcops |
| 00:51.52 | highbury | any output is better than none, when it comes to debugging |
| 00:51.56 | resuDaed | ugly as hell |
| 00:53.03 | resuDaed | _KDE_IceTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.ICE-unix should be set to root |
| 00:53.03 | resuDaed | kbuildsycoca running... |
| 00:53.03 | resuDaed | Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 00:53.04 | resuDaed | DCOP aborting call from 'anonymous-4300' to 'kded' |
| 00:53.06 | resuDaed | ERROR: KUniqueApplication: DCOP communication error! |
| 00:53.08 | resuDaed | Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 00:53.12 | resuDaed | Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 00:53.14 | resuDaed | DCOP aborting call from 'anonymous-4290' to 'kmail' |
| 00:53.16 | resuDaed | ERROR: KUniqueApplication: DCOP communication error! |
| 00:53.20 | resuDaed | tom@stolen:~$ Mutex destroy failure: Device or resource busyand kde3 wont start either |
| 00:53.51 | highbury | those are just X errors not kmail |
| 00:54.27 | resuDaed | I thought as much, but the problems only began when installing kde3 |
| 00:54.40 | resuDaed | apt-get binaries |
| 00:55.16 | resuDaed | unless someone wants to take me through setting up fetchmail and setting up imap, then I need kmail |
| 00:55.29 | highbury | well its debian, if there's a "r" in the day it may be broke |
| 00:55.43 | Huhn | for the Xlib: extension "GLX" missing... did you change your XF86Config? |
| 00:56.03 | highbury | why not use pine, its compatible and easier to run without X |
| 00:56.09 | Huhn | why not mutt? |
| 00:56.55 | resuDaed | the glx module is in XF86Config |
| 00:57.01 | highbury | fine, whatever works for you. I switch back and forth between kmail/pine with no problems |
| 00:57.20 | resuDaed | I am tempted |
| 01:00.48 | eye69 | I used pine until about 1.5yrs ago. Using mutt now, and I'm not looking back. |
| 01:00.56 | Huhn | eye69: same here |
| 01:01.30 | resuDaed | eye69 : I am not bothered what I use really, my only real need is to download from pop3, and serve locally on imap |
| 01:01.42 | eye69 | Sure, it took a little while to get used to the "bare" approach, but the flexibility is great. |
| 01:01.47 | resuDaed | for which I plan to use fetchmail |
| 01:02.10 | resuDaed | afterwhich, I can mix and match till I find a nice client |
| 01:02.30 | eye69 | Yeah, once you have your imap box it's no problem. |
| 01:02.57 | resuDaed | but the problem is my "server" isn't booting atm |
| 01:03.31 | resuDaed | (I have a hunch it has something to do with the nics capability to net boot, and my lack of bios access |
| 01:03.46 | pdr | highbury: pine is not free :-( |
| 01:03.53 | Huhn | hi Pete ;) |
| 01:03.56 | pdr | hi Huhn |
| 01:04.00 | resuDaed | morning pdr |
| 01:04.06 | pdr | Huhn: what are you still doing up? |
| 01:04.09 | pdr | resuDaed: mornin |
| 01:04.12 | eye69 | That was a bit annoying with Pine...the need to use unofficial sources. |
| 01:04.14 | Huhn | pdr: just came back from the training |
| 01:04.29 | pdr | Huhn: just now? sheesh, that's harsh training. |
| 01:05.04 | Huhn | pdr: the coach nearly killed us today :/ |
| 01:05.14 | pdr | Huhn: really? |
| 01:05.36 | Huhn | pdr: really really |
| 01:05.43 | pdr | Huhn: details? |
| 01:06.18 | Huhn | well, if you're not fast enough (one goal to the other in a few secs) you are kindly asked to run extra rounds |
| 01:06.24 | Huhn | things like that |
| 01:06.37 | Huhn | if you protest -> more rounds |
| 01:06.41 | pdr | oh, i thought you meant coach as in bus |
| 01:06.49 | pdr | :-) |
| 01:07.16 | resuDaed | I am confused as to what to do, I have a really sweet background, and a seriously cool xmms skin, only problem is they are very similar in colour, and I am not sure whether this is a good thing |
| 01:07.18 | Huhn | :) |
| 01:07.25 | pdr | ibot dict coach |
| 01:07.36 | Huhn | lol |
| 01:08.05 | Huhn | resuDaed: see if you feel comfortable with it? |
| 01:08.22 | resuDaed | Huhn : this is what I am not sure of |
| 01:08.35 | resuDaed | if you can name a decent screencap proggy, I'll show you |
| 01:08.51 | Huhn | xv? |
| 01:08.53 | pdr | resuDaed: you could edit the background and darken/lighten it maybe? |
| 01:10.21 | pdr | Huhn: xv is not free |
| 01:10.36 | resuDaed | found something call scrot |
| 01:10.50 | pdr | ew |
| 01:10.50 | Huhn | pdr: he said "decent", not free ;) |
| 01:10.58 | pdr | gimp is decent |
| 01:11.09 | Huhn | yes, but xv is faster :) |
| 01:11.18 | Huhn | extra rounds for pdr :) |
| 01:11.23 | pdr | lol |
| 01:11.41 | pdr | it's been about six months since i've played *-hockey |
| 01:12.28 | resuDaed | http://resudaed.com/i/screen.png |
| 01:12.43 | resuDaed | I love the fortune in the lower left hand shell |
| 01:13.08 | Huhn | The requested URL /i/screen.png was not found on this server. |
| 01:13.27 | resuDaed | 1 sec, me shall look |
| 01:14.16 | resuDaed | try again (you can also wee where I went wrong :-) |
| 01:14.32 | Huhn | lookinh |
| 01:14.41 | eye69 | There, now I can see again. |
| 01:14.46 | pdr | Huhn: This is my old team: http://www.pdr.cx/photos/MVC-013F.JPG |
| 01:14.53 | resuDaed | eye69 ? |
| 01:15.09 | eye69 | resuDaed: Put in the contacts. |
| 01:15.20 | resuDaed | eye69 : ah |
| 01:15.21 | Huhn | resuDaed: I like it.. |
| 01:15.28 | resuDaed | Huhn |
| 01:15.32 | eye69 | Have had them out for cleaning for a few hours. Do that every month or so. |
| 01:15.34 | resuDaed | : you think works ok? |
| 01:15.54 | Huhn | resuDaed: how do you start the aterms? any options? |
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| 01:16.23 | Huhn | resuDaed: it would work for me |
| 01:16.49 | Huhn | pdr: nice pic ;) |
| 01:17.05 | pdr | resuDaed: looks good as it is. i'd leave the colours if i was you |
| 01:17.09 | resuDaed | (aterm -transparent -tint green -sh 80 -fg white -ls -bg black) |
| 01:17.26 | resuDaed | Huhn : just a few :-) |
| 01:17.31 | Huhn | resuDaed: nice.. thanks |
| 01:17.50 | resuDaed | I also have it set to run from CTRL+ESC under bbkeys |
| 01:18.38 | resuDaed | I spent 6 hours tweaking x related things a couple of hours ago |
| 01:18.42 | resuDaed | s/hours/weeks |
| 01:18.47 | highbury | pdr: pine is open enough. Sources are available. If you want to get real pernickitty don't use it. But it is a very stable mature product |
| 01:19.46 | eye69 | They don't allow redistribution of binaries, do they? |
| 01:20.01 | pdr | highbury: but then there are options that are more free (and IMO better (being a vi/vim user)) |
| 01:21.04 | pdr | resuDaed: *laughs* i wish i had that much time |
| 01:21.06 | eye69 | Mutt follows the Unix way of thinking. |
| 01:21.17 | highbury | http://www.washington.edu/pine/overview/legal.html |
| 01:21.44 | resuDaed | pdr : it was when I was not working, and I was 'job hunting' online, but that requires a comfortable environment |
| 01:21.45 | highbury | eye69: I'm running from SuSE binaries |
| 01:22.26 | highbury | I've used pine for over 10 years, it can run from most Unixes |
| 01:23.13 | highbury | pdr: what's being a vi or vim user got to do with it? |
| 01:23.57 | highbury | There are some basic applications I just want to work, I don't really care what the licenses are, so long as I don't have to pay anything |
| 01:24.02 | highbury | :-) |
| 01:24.37 | pdr | resuDaed: considered doing some coding? ;-P |
| 01:24.47 | eye69 | Mutt provides a way of listing email messages, handling folders and showing messages. Editing messages is the responsibility of an external editor. |
| 01:25.24 | resuDaed | pdr : often actually, but I am unsure where to start, why? |
| 01:25.32 | eye69 | Also Mutt is way better with GPG, IMO. |
| 01:25.47 | pdr | highbury: mutt goes well with vi/vim since it uses the same keys and it's default editor is vi. pine was always a pain to do alt-_ (iirc) to get it to launch vi and this stil lwasn't well integrated. |
| 01:25.57 | highbury | I used to like the way pine, lets one switch seamlessly between using its own editor and any other one, one wants |
| 01:26.13 | resuDaed | I know the basics of c/c++, perl, python and the like, and write pointless kernel modules in my spare time |
| 01:26.22 | eye69 | Oh well, I'm not going to go on a holy war. |
| 01:26.30 | highbury | ie. one can configure it easily to do all editing from vi |
| 01:27.01 | Huhn | I admit, I like the colours in mutt and some other features (folder hook) |
| 01:27.06 | highbury | eye69: well I didn't start it! ;) |
| 01:27.08 | pdr | resuDaed: cool. as for what to work on, you could always look at programs you use daily, and add features or make bugfixes. there's always stuff to do |
| 01:27.11 | eye69 | highbury: :) |
| 01:27.23 | resuDaed | pdr : whay did you ask, /me is confused |
| 01:27.45 | pdr | resuDaed: you have (or at least had) spare time to burn :) |
| 01:27.47 | eye69 | Is there anybody here who wants a Handspring Visor Deluxe with a broken display? |
| 01:28.04 | resuDaed | pdr : I am after a laptop, so I can occupy y spare time @ work |
| 01:28.17 | eye69 | The device works fine, but the display is smashed due to me being horribly drunk and stepping on it. |
| 01:28.31 | Huhn | eye69: :) |
| 01:28.31 | resuDaed | eye69 : lol ;-) |
| 01:29.01 | eye69 | If not, I'm going to use it to practice surface mounted soldering. |
| 01:29.35 | resuDaed | eye69 : if you bring it to the next gllug, I might find it useful |
| 01:30.02 | eye69 | I need to practice soldering before I get the chips for the 21". |
| 01:30.25 | eye69 | resuDaed: If you want it you can have it. |
| 01:31.19 | pdr | resuDaed: what sort of laptop are you after? |
| 01:31.26 | resuDaed | pdr : low spec |
| 01:31.50 | resuDaed | ideally P2, possibly late P1s if necessary, 32MB RAM |
| 01:31.58 | resuDaed | 1-2GB HDD |
| 01:32.08 | resuDaed | working screen/keyboard |
| 01:32.15 | pdr | i think formi has something like that to sell |
| 01:32.44 | pdr | ibot formi? |
| 01:32.44 | | extra, extra, read all about it, formi is a big girl's blouse |
| 01:33.00 | resuDaed | lol |
| 01:33.05 | pdr | ibot seen formi? |
| 01:33.05 | | formi <~formi@usr111-har.blueyonder.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 5h 45m 49s ago, saying: 'thanks Huhn'. |
| 01:33.31 | resuDaed | I would email him, but due to present circumstances |
| 01:33.52 | pdr | present circumstances? |
| 01:34.12 | resuDaed | no email client |
| 01:34.25 | resuDaed | read up |
| 01:34.58 | pdr | oh sorry |
| 01:35.25 | Huhn | resuDaed: want me to send the email for you? |
| 01:35.47 | resuDaed | Huhn : you could do, or you could help me configure fetchmail :-) |
| 01:36.07 | pdr | resuDaed: fetchmail is easy (ish) |
| 01:36.11 | Huhn | resuDaed: since I'm very very tired and only finishing the beer I'd prefer to send the mail ;) |
| 01:36.27 | highbury | fetchmailconf |
| 01:38.17 | resuDaed | Huhn : yes, that would be easiest, but he can email too, I hope to have this resolved in the next hour or so |
| 01:38.32 | resuDaed | doh, hit <tab> harder next time |
| 01:38.50 | resuDaed | I really need to remap it to the windows start button or something |
| 01:39.05 | pdr | resuDaed: poll pop3.blueyonder.co.uk proto pop3 user tom pass foo is tom here |
| 01:40.09 | pdr | although i think the username will be more like e015b0852. |
| 01:40.11 | resuDaed | would I need to run a seperate mail server? |
| 01:40.22 | resuDaed | pdr : I don't have a telewest email/user etc |
| 01:40.27 | resuDaed | I just use and abuse |
| 01:40.46 | pdr | resuDaed: that was an example |
| 01:41.20 | resuDaed | so I need to configure fetchmail, do I need to install an imap server also? |
| 01:41.20 | pdr | :-) |
| 01:41.28 | pdr | no |
| 01:41.39 | resuDaed | was hoping for that answer |
| 01:41.54 | pdr | is the host running fetchmail the host you're reading you mail on? |
| 01:42.09 | resuDaed | pdr : most of the time |
| 01:42.11 | resuDaed | but not all |
| 01:42.15 | pdr | ok |
| 01:42.21 | Huhn | resuDaed: any other users on the machine? |
| 01:42.23 | pdr | you'll need to install a MDA though |
| 01:42.31 | resuDaed | Huhn : too many for my liking |
| 01:42.48 | Huhn | resuDaed: remember to do "chmod 600 ~/.fetchmailrc |
| 01:42.50 | Huhn | " |
| 01:42.58 | Huhn | password is in plain text in this file |
| 01:43.16 | resuDaed | ok, so where do I start? |
| 01:43.27 | Huhn | try if you have fetchmailconf installed |
| 01:43.46 | resuDaed | nope |
| 01:44.02 | pdr | you have fetchmail installed? |
| 01:44.07 | Huhn | apt-get install fetchmailconf |
| 01:44.07 | resuDaed | pdr : yes |
| 01:44.24 | pdr | oh, you're using debian? |
| 01:44.34 | resuDaed | pdr : yes |
| 01:44.34 | Huhn | (I was just assuming he did) |
| 01:44.37 | Huhn | good ;) |
| 01:45.40 | pdr | cool. for some reason i use /etc/fetchmailrc rather than have it in my ~ |
| 01:46.00 | pdr | either way you just put the 'poll' lines in it, and type /etc/init.d/fetchmail start |
| 01:47.18 | Huhn | or fetchmail -d 180 :) |
| 01:48.14 | resuDaed | ok, I have fetchmailconf ... run it as root? |
| 01:48.22 | Huhn | as normal user |
| 01:48.36 | Huhn | it's a Tcl/Tk (?) GUI.. |
| 01:48.36 | pdr | you may need to 'apt-get install exim' too, if you don't already have a MDA or MTA |
| 01:49.11 | resuDaed | novice/advanced? |
| 01:49.14 | Huhn | novice |
| 01:50.44 | resuDaed | ok, I think is configured, am testing now |
| 01:50.50 | resuDaed | (is taking very long time though) |
| 01:51.10 | resuDaed | ah, I just remembered, I have 2 weeks of gllug mails |
| 01:51.17 | highbury | you shouldn't need exim |
| 01:51.35 | resuDaed | where does fetchmail dump my emails btw? |
| 01:51.44 | highbury | /dev/null :-) |
| 01:51.55 | resuDaed | highbury : I wish |
| 01:52.16 | highbury | they should appear in your inbox |
| 01:52.29 | highbury | /var/spool/mail/<username> |
| 01:52.35 | resuDaed | just glad I dont have a b/width limit on telewest, I think my emails alone would exceed it |
| 01:52.54 | resuDaed | highbury : then how do I set up so I can use IMAP? |
| 01:53.02 | resuDaed | (to read them) |
| 01:53.20 | Huhn | highbury: /var/spool/mail is symlinked to /var/mail on Debian |
| 01:53.32 | highbury | choose, and install IMAP server www.imap.org |
| 01:53.55 | eye69 | I would suggest courier-imap |
| 01:54.54 | resuDaed | [01:53am][resuDaed(+iw)][Mail: 639] [#gllug(+nt)] |
| 01:55.06 | eye69 | Either that or uw-imapd |
| 01:55.08 | resuDaed | now 661 |
| 01:57.51 | resuDaed | ok, courier-imap now installed, what next? |
| 01:58.48 | eye69 | courier-imap works only with Maildir's, so run 'maildirmake ~/Maildir' as your user |
| 01:59.23 | resuDaed | I already have ~/Mail dir from Kmail with the last 3 months emails in it |
| 02:00.08 | eye69 | If you need to use mbox style mailboxes to coexist with Kmail you need to use uw-imapd instead of courier-imap |
| 02:00.25 | eye69 | pdr: It can use an MDA directly. |
| 02:00.30 | resuDaed | eye69 : is not to co-exist, is to replace |
| 02:00.36 | pdr | resuDaed: you can read them locally without imap |
| 02:00.48 | eye69 | resuDaed: Ok, in that case Maildir is better (IMO) |
| 02:00.54 | eye69 | resuDaed: Wait a minute. |
| 02:01.16 | resuDaed | pdr : I don't only want to read them locally (hence not just installing another client with pop3 capability) |
| 02:01.42 | pdr | ah ok |
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| 02:01.50 | pdr | hi formi |
| 02:01.52 | eye69 | resuDaed: Can you accept DCC? |
| 02:01.53 | resuDaed | evening formi |
| 02:01.57 | resuDaed | eye69 : no |
| 02:01.59 | Huhn | hi formi |
| 02:02.14 | eye69 | http://upcore.net/mbox2maildir.pl |
| 02:02.22 | Huhn | pdr: me too |
| 02:02.24 | pdr | night all |
| 02:02.27 | Huhn | nn pdr |
| 02:02.29 | resuDaed | night pdr |
| 02:02.30 | formi | night pdr |
| 02:02.31 | pdr | Huhn: go to bed then :-) |
| 02:02.33 | eye69 | That will help you convert your existing mbox mailboxes to Maildir format. |
| 02:02.44 | Huhn | pdr: will do (in a few mins)* |
| 02:02.50 | formi | huhn I got your email |
| 02:02.55 | Huhn | formi: ok, fine |
| 02:03.01 | eye69 | resuDaed: Do a backup copy of your Mail dir first. |
| 02:03.09 | formi | pdr: obrigado |
| 02:03.19 | pdr | pdr: what for? |
| 02:03.23 | pdr | formi: what for? |
| 02:03.39 | formi | pointing that i had a laptop for sale |
| 02:03.46 | pdr | np |
| 02:03.51 | formi | s/had/have |
| 02:04.03 | pdr | boas noiches |
| 02:04.10 | Huhn | gute Nacht ;) |
| 02:04.53 | formi | resuDaed: still looking for one? |
| 02:04.53 | formi | pdr: dise boas noites |
| 02:04.55 | formi | pdr: vaia con deus, |
| 02:05.41 | formi | resuDaed: im off in 5 min, counting... |
| 02:05.46 | highbury | kmail will convert to and from mbox and mdir ;) |
| 02:05.48 | eye69 | resuDaed: Do you have just one mbox, or are there multiple boxes? |
| 02:05.54 | eye69 | highbury: Ok. |
| 02:06.17 | eye69 | I used mbox2maildir.pl, for about 30k emails. |
| 02:06.46 | resuDaed | eye69 : I don't know the exact definition of mbox, but Mail is a dir containing sub dirs which contain further subdirs and/or files that are just one email after another in very long files |
| 02:06.56 | resuDaed | this is for approx 10k files |
| 02:07.02 | resuDaed | s/files/email |
| 02:07.06 | eye69 | Ok. |
| 02:07.22 | resuDaed | so what do I do with this script? |
| 02:07.39 | resuDaed | formi : what specs/what price you want? |
| 02:08.15 | resuDaed | eye69 ?? |
| 02:08.16 | eye69 | resuDaed: Can you show me a 'ls -lR' of the Mail dir? |
| 02:08.26 | eye69 | Send it in /msg. |
| 02:08.33 | formi | p166mmx, 80ram, 3gb hd, 12.1 tft in good condition, 2hours of pine mail reading on the cli |
| 02:09.18 | formi | good brand ie thinkpad 560e, in very good condition, 1 (one) dead pixel |
| 02:11.29 | resuDaed | formi : how much you wanting? |
| 02:12.02 | formi | around 150 ukp |
| 02:12.06 | resuDaed | brb |
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| 02:12.24 | resuDaed | formi : that sounds acceptable |
| 02:12.50 | formi | you can find similar things for about 120 |
| 02:12.57 | formi | but no thinkpad |
| 02:13.05 | resuDaed | formi : cd? |
| 02:13.20 | resuDaed | usb? |
| 02:13.22 | formi | the machine is old, but well constructed and highly resistand |
| 02:13.28 | resuDaed | other toys? |
| 02:13.56 | formi | no usb/cd rom, it is a extra slim laptop with no bollocks added |
| 02:14.12 | resuDaed | any way of adding a cd? |
| 02:14.13 | formi | i could throw a external 56k modem |
| 02:14.36 | formi | 2 pcmcia slots |
| 02:14.45 | resuDaed | formi : I can too, but I'd prefer to keep it in one piece |
| 02:14.56 | resuDaed | :-P |
| 02:15.21 | formi | i can throw a pcmcia nic, 3com for 5 quid |
| 02:16.01 | formi | thinks, you've got cat5 access almost everywhere, what;s the point in carrying a cd reader |
| 02:16.03 | formi | ? |
| 02:16.17 | resuDaed | formi : what OS (currently)? |
| 02:16.49 | formi | it has a mini 98se, using 180M of space, plus mdk 9.0 |
| 02:17.24 | formi | and bell and whistles work, |
| 02:17.36 | formi | one warning though |
| 02:17.58 | formi | never attempt to use the linux sensors drivers |
| 02:18.54 | formi | on any non acpi thinkpad, will result in automatic motherboard fry-up |
| 02:19.30 | resuDaed | sensors drivers? |
| 02:19.37 | formi | i need to get to bed, important job to do early in the morning |
| 02:19.54 | formi | like processors temperature |
| 02:20.10 | resuDaed | ah, rite ... I will remember |
| 02:20.19 | Huhn | sleep is a good idea |
| 02:20.35 | HuhnZzZ | nn all |
| 02:20.50 | formi | night HuhnZzZ |
| 02:21.09 | eye69 | pdr: Whare are you? |
| 02:21.14 | pdr | eye69: se1 |
| 02:22.03 | formi | resuDaed: sleep over it, mail me tomorrow if you want it, i can't promise i'll have it after saturday |
| 02:22.12 | resuDaed | formi : I want it |
| 02:22.31 | formi | resuDaed: somebody i know has spilled juice over his shity tosh |
| 02:22.45 | formi | resuDaed: are you comming to the demo on sat? |
| 02:24.07 | resuDaed | formi : ?? (tosh thingie) and what demo? |
| 02:43.42 | murb | oh bad people you most a url with a mistake in it, as soon as mail hits the list they remove the page... |
| 02:44.20 | formi | night folks, |
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| 05:29.31 | eye69 | Hehehehe...CNN cites maximum takeoff weight of the CH-46 helicopter to 10.9 kilograms. |
| 07:54.29 | murb | wwell don't get caught in a storm in one. |
| 09:13.46 | dpash | bah |
| 09:19.42 | dpash | CNN is never the best source for news |
| 09:20.11 | dpash | you heard nothing else for a week |
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| 09:20.31 | dpash | no-one outside the US cared |
| 09:20.39 | jason_ukfsn | morning all |
| 09:21.07 | dpash | hi |
| 09:24.22 | murb | have you recently listened to VoR? |
| 09:28.16 | jason_ukfsn | anyone else here using NTL cable? |
| 09:29.50 | dpash | murb: VoR? Virgin Radio? |
| 09:31.46 | jason_ukfsn | Voice of Ronald - the new McDonalds propaganda radio station? |
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| 09:58.43 | dpash | ergh |
| 09:59.36 | dpash | w00t I want to live there |
| 10:00.36 | Tarragon | But the Dixie Girls are pinko Commie subversives |
| 10:12.41 | dank_work | ibot lart bosses who go changing configurations without telling, and then buggering off on holiday |
| 10:14.01 | dpash | dank_work: I hope they've gone to a repressive regime |
| 10:14.47 | nasrat | dpash: what the states :) |
| 10:14.57 | dank_work | Nah - we'll just cut his coffee fun |
| 10:15.00 | dank_work | *fund |
| 10:15.34 | dpash | nasrat: yep |
| 10:16.00 | dpash | anyone played Bush the hypocrite game yet? |
| 10:17.15 | dpash | tis a cracking game, just watch any bush speech and see how well it applies to himself or the US |
| 10:17.50 | nasrat | dpash: lol |
| 10:19.02 | dpash | I am seriously concerned about the lack of freedom the Americans actually have |
| 10:19.16 | dpash | and the fact that many of them have not noticed it |
| 10:19.51 | jason_ukfsn | dpash - they are free to say anything they like (in the privacy of their own homes) |
| 10:19.56 | dpash | I think I might write something for k5 |
| 10:20.48 | dpash | kind of like "I want to talk about a country with few freedoms. reason1, reason 2, etc . What country am I talking about? US" |
| 10:21.03 | nasrat | jason_ukfsn: no surely you're supposed to spy on your neighbours though in case they are communists^Wterrorists |
| 10:22.51 | jason_ukfsn | dpash - they probably already are ;) |
| 10:22.56 | dpash | lol |
| 10:23.17 | jason_ukfsn | nasrat - good point. BRB - I need to drill a few holes ;) |
| 10:23.21 | dpash | one of the main reasons for being against the war is that it sets a precendence |
| 10:23.28 | dpash | who will be next? |
| 10:23.38 | dpash | when will it be israels turn? |
| 10:23.43 | dpash | when will it be our turn? |
| 10:23.54 | nasrat | dpash: surely we've been invaded already |
| 10:23.56 | jason_ukfsn | dpash - some within the us administration have stated that Iran is fairly high up on the list. |
| 10:24.08 | nasrat | dpash: cultural warfare |
| 10:24.17 | dpash | jason_ukfsn: where does it stop? |
| 10:24.30 | dpash | will they attack france for voting against them? |
| 10:24.34 | jason_ukfsn | Once they have Iraq any arab state is within easy reach. That is one of the reasons for Iraq happening now I suspect. |
| 10:24.35 | nasrat | I guess Korea and Cuba are probably on the list too |
| 10:24.44 | jason_ukfsn | dpash - they already are financially |
| 10:25.12 | jason_ukfsn | N Korea has real nukes. Result: the US are willing to seek a peaceful resolution to the crisis. |
| 10:25.53 | jason_ukfsn | it stops only when the US is stopped somehow. History teaches that is how these things usually pan out. |
| 10:26.24 | dpash | jason_ukfsn: I Ijust wish that they would sort out israel |
| 10:26.43 | dpash | I can't see anything remotely like peace until that is sorted |
| 10:26.56 | dpash | sadly I don't think the US will be able to do it |
| 10:27.09 | dpash | s/be able/want/ |
| 10:27.16 | jason_ukfsn | Israel is a "strategic partner". The sktechy details of the "roadmap" that Bush is going to release look like it will be a rubber stamp of Sharon's policies. |
| 10:27.30 | nasrat | jason_ukfsn: they are a young country, so they're just getting to imperial mindset. Sadly they don't only have hoplites though. Can't see a "what have the americans ever done for us" sketch in 2 thousand years time being nearly as funny |
| 10:28.07 | dpash | nasrat: there is to 3billon USD milatary aid each year |
| 10:28.22 | dpash | okay aprt from the 3billon USD milatary aid each year what have the americans ever done for us? |
| 10:28.28 | jason_ukfsn | an imperial mindset with a moron at the head of it, 2 distinct extreme right wing factions pushing him and 10,000 nukes. Oh joy! |
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| 10:28.55 | cup | morning |
| 10:29.00 | jason_ukfsn | good morning cup |
| 10:29.16 | dpash | I think that sharon has already asked the US to change the wording of the roadmap to remove all references to an independant state |
| 10:30.06 | dpash | to somethign like an self-governed province |
| 10:31.07 | nasrat | What do ppl think of this: http://pauln.truemesh.com/tshirt.jpg |
| 10:31.11 | jason_ukfsn | it was also interesting to note the wording of Bush's announcement - the prime minister must be "acceptable" to the US and Israel for his appointment to be meaningful. |
| 10:31.48 | dpash | IE. we want someone we can tell what to do |
| 10:31.52 | jason_ukfsn | nasrat I'd do without the configure |
| 10:32.20 | dank_work | dpash: Tony Blare? |
| 10:32.40 | jason_ukfsn | surely not dpash! Has the US ever removed a democratically appointed govt and installed a puppet regime? Oh sorry, I forgot the past 50 odd years. |
| 10:32.42 | dpash | or cd peace ; ./configure; make; make install |
| 10:33.04 | Davilion | :) |
| 10:33.23 | dpash | ./configure --prefix=/world |
| 10:33.36 | jason_ukfsn | dpash - you need tobe careful of politicians will think you are talking about installing peace by dropping lots of bombs etc. After all "our boys" are peace makers according to the US govt. |
| 10:34.21 | Davilion | lol. |
| 10:34.23 | jason_ukfsn | s/tobe/ to be/ |
| 10:34.33 | jason_ukfsn | s/of/or/ |
| 10:35.12 | Davilion | ahh you mean trhey think your offering the whole peace package, when really waht your going to do is rpm -Ivh --force --nodeps peace-1.0.rpm |
| 10:35.40 | nasrat | lol |
| 10:35.53 | jason_ukfsn | yes the nodeps is important otherwise packages international-law and un cause problems. |
| 10:35.55 | Davilion | which actually depends on political-stability-0.99.rpm which is not going to be installed. |
| 10:36.18 | nasrat | Davilion: Conflicts: i18n |
| 10:36.54 | Davilion | ssh rhodes 'rsh comp00 "dd if=/dev/hda bs=8192k |gzip"' | ssh root@deadnode 'gunzip |dd bs=8192k of=/dev/hdc' |
| 10:36.56 | Davilion | yay :) |
| 10:36.59 | jason_ukfsn | B-52s are taking off from Fairford now |
| 10:37.43 | jason_ukfsn | they are carrying 2000lb "peace packages" |
| 10:38.24 | dpash | Davilion: ideally you would want to boot off a floppy image with that as init |
| 10:40.56 | jason_ukfsn | turkey is now refusing to allow US to use airspace unless turkey is allowed to invade n. iraq itself. |
| 10:42.06 | dpash | fantastic |
| 10:46.11 | jason_ukfsn | some reports indicate turkish troops already moving into N Iraq according to http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/2871817.stm |
| 10:50.57 | dpash | anyone going tomorrow? |
| 10:53.21 | jason_ukfsn | yes. Did you not see the discussions on the mailing list earlier this week (ie before all the shut up posts)? |
| 10:54.45 | jason_ukfsn | We're planning to meet in the cafe in Borders on Oxford St. between 10:30 and 11:30 |
| 10:55.28 | jason_ukfsn | are you coming along? |
| 10:56.23 | dpash | hopefully |
| 10:56.37 | dpash | assuming I can get out of bed early enough |
| 10:56.55 | dpash | will ned to leave my house by 8:30 |
| 10:57.24 | jason_ukfsn | 3 hours to get into ldn? ouch where are you based? |
| 10:57.39 | dpash | Bedford |
| 10:57.48 | dpash | MK |
| 10:58.06 | dpash | 20min to MK train stn |
| 10:58.13 | dpash | 10-20min for train |
| 10:58.21 | dpash | 1h for train journey |
| 10:58.22 | jason_ukfsn | Well I hope you'll be able to make it. |
| 10:58.30 | dpash | 20m to oxford circus |
| 10:58.40 | dpash | at best |
| 11:13.05 | cup | are spiders general able to following links that are specified in javascript |
| 11:13.49 | cup | ? |
| 11:14.16 | Davilion | I should be able to make it, |
| 11:14.23 | Davilion | What time is it set to go on till? |
| 11:14.54 | nasrat | Davilion: depends on how many people and the rate of movement I guess |
| 11:15.45 | nasrat | nasrat: last time it started early and I didn't get to hyde park until the evening. But it was great. |
| 11:16.15 | dpash | nasrat: I need to be back in MK by 7 |
| 11:16.55 | murb | remorning |
| 11:17.09 | jason_ukfsn | hi murb |
| 11:17.31 | nasrat | dpash: you can leave when ever I guess or cut in at picadilly circus where the routes merge and then go to the park. |
| 11:17.38 | nasrat | then leave whenever |
| 11:17.53 | jason_ukfsn | Davilion - last time I made it to Hyde Park by 16:00 by virtue of skimming along the march. the rally ended at 17:00. |
| 11:18.00 | murb | haha |
| 11:18.07 | Davilion | ok i'll drive down and park somewhere, |
| 11:18.28 | murb | this would be the thing they said was a waste of time in jan and told me to stop doing. |
| 11:18.39 | jason_ukfsn | tell them there is a jam on the A406 ;) |
| 11:19.05 | Davilion | who's going that I may recognise?; |
| 11:19.07 | murb | I think they are just trying to find things to invoice. |
| 11:19.58 | dpash | murb: are these the same people who have not paid you yet? |
| 11:20.27 | dpash | don't you just love customers? |
| 11:20.30 | dpash | "help my internet connection has disappeared" - "go to start - programs. Is there an IE icon there?" " yes, thanks, bye" |
| 11:20.53 | dank_work | :) |
| 11:20.54 | jason_ukfsn | Davilion, will you recognise me? I'll be the "just a little overweight" geek sitting there looking around aimlessly for others of my kind. |
| 11:21.09 | dpash | jason_ukfsn: that describes everyone |
| 11:21.55 | jason_ukfsn | I may also be drinking coffee - I bet I'll be the only one in the cafe doing so ;) |
| 11:22.34 | murb | dank: who? |
| 11:22.40 | dank_work | Ganesh |
| 11:22.44 | dank_work | :) |
| 11:23.13 | nasrat | i |
| 11:23.16 | jason_ukfsn | I've heard the death is a bit of a geek and he's a skinny bugger |
| 11:23.27 | nasrat | d'oh wrong term |
| 11:27.14 | murb | well as long as you don't describe people as well fed you should be ok. |
| 11:51.13 | jason_ukfsn | has anyone heard any rumours about the Expo next month? I've been advised to hold off on booking accomodation and I'm trying to find out is there is any substantial information around |
| 11:52.18 | Tarragon | AFAIK it is on. |
| 11:53.00 | jason_ukfsn | Yes AFAIK nothing has changed however I'm feeling wary of spending lots of money I don't really have on accomodation, printing, etc. |
| 11:56.18 | Tarragon | We have a 2m stand to share with all the other LUGs except South Birmingham (They get their own 2m as they are the local group) |
| 11:57.28 | jason_ukfsn | UKFSN is supposed to be sharing with AFFS. If it is happening I need to get on with having some leaflets printed and book somewhere to stay while I am up there. I've already booked and paid for a car rental. |
| 11:59.00 | jason_ukfsn | well I asked for a stand for UKFSN and was turned down because all 14 stands were already assigned. |
| 12:02.12 | Huhn | moin |
| 12:02.14 | Davilion | jason_ukfsn: posibly, i'll be a dazed and confused looking person |
| 12:02.16 | Davilion | hi Huhn |
| 12:02.26 | Huhn | hi Davilion |
| 12:02.36 | Davilion | How was ice hockey? |
| 12:02.46 | Huhn | exhausting! :) |
| 12:04.02 | dank_work | hi Huhn |
| 12:04.15 | Huhn | hi dank_work |
| 12:07.43 | Davilion | Huhn: are you in a team? |
| 12:08.26 | Huhn | Davilion: yep, called Rhein-Igels ;) |
| 12:10.13 | Davilion | Cool, I've always wanted to skate, but i havent got the patience or the balance. |
| 12:10.26 | Davilion | So i stick with snowboarding. |
| 12:12.00 | Huhn | mh... never managed to convince myself to be in a somwhat wrong position on a snowboard |
| 12:12.03 | Huhn | I prefer skis |
| 12:17.05 | Huhn | dank_work: when are you going on ski holiday? next week? |
| 12:17.21 | dank_work | Wednesday |
| 12:17.33 | Huhn | cool, I leave tomorrow ;) |
| 12:18.47 | *** part/#gllug highbury (~steve@sc-gw1.homechoice.co.uk) |
| 12:21.07 | Davilion | i used to ski, but ive not been in ages. |
| 12:21.14 | Davilion | There are advantages to both, its like editors. |
| 12:21.50 | Huhn | Davilion: yes.. do you think there is a connection? :) I use vim and ski.. |
| 12:22.07 | dank_work | Davilion: Are you an emacs person? |
| 12:23.45 | Huhn | *gg* |
| 12:24.56 | dpash | I see a lot more vim users |
| 12:25.50 | murb | some people use vi |
| 12:25.54 | murb | or ed |
| 12:26.54 | dpash | or xemacs |
| 12:27.19 | Tarragon | or Joe |
| 12:27.47 | murb | jove |
| 12:27.49 | murb | cooledit |
| 12:27.56 | murb | pico |
| 12:28.00 | murb | uemacs |
| 12:28.08 | Huhn | murb wins |
| 12:29.30 | Huhn | urghs ;) |
| 12:30.32 | murb | it isn't for nothing that i won the london sage-wise xmas geek quiz :) |
| 12:31.39 | murb | can we have an editor called vom? |
| 12:31.46 | dank_work | vo.mit.edu |
| 12:31.52 | dank_work | ibot nslookup vo.mit.edu |
| 12:31.57 | Davilion | vom.it |
| 12:31.57 | dank_work | Bah |
| 12:32.02 | dank_work | ibot nslookup vom.it |
| 12:32.08 | dank_work | ibot nslookup www.vom.it |
| 12:32.13 | Davilion | darn., |
| 12:32.56 | murb | ibot finger www.vom.it@gate.demon.co.uk |
| 12:32.57 | | murb: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 12:33.24 | Davilion | im sure i've hosed something really silly in my ganglia config and now im not ganglia ng |
| 12:33.25 | *** join/#gllug highbury (~steve@sc-gw1.homechoice.co.uk) |
| 12:33.27 | murb | Huhn: did you see the school girls in london with signs, blondes against dumb war. |
| 12:34.33 | Huhn | murb: no |
| 12:35.46 | Davilion | lol |
| 12:36.28 | murb | Huhn: i think it was on one of the bbcs image gallaries. |
| 12:36.51 | murb | ofcourse the goverment is totally against people skipping school to protest against war... |
| 12:37.00 | dpash | can people look at http://www.davidpashley.com/irc-notable.html |
| 12:38.11 | Huhn | hi dpash |
| 12:38.24 | dank_work | It's up, and slightly further developed |
| 12:38.32 | murb | dpash: it is v.slow to load. |
| 12:38.35 | dpash | dank_work: try looking at the filename |
| 12:38.47 | dpash | murb: cos it is in new york? |
| 12:38.58 | dank_work | What about the filename? |
| 12:39.36 | dpash | the notable |
| 12:40.18 | dpash | ie it is the same irc.html, but without using any tables |
| 12:40.31 | dank_work | Ahh. |
| 12:40.35 | Tarragon | dpash: Boarder lines over text in Moz. Thought the main logo was at the bottom of page? |
| 12:41.17 | dpash | Tarragon: working on that |
| 12:42.57 | Tarragon | in between "would be" and "On #gllug" in last paragraph should be a link to http://www.net-comber.com/acronyms.html |
| 12:43.22 | Davilion | Does anybody use ganglia here? |
| 12:43.30 | dpash | Tarragon: ignore the content |
| 12:43.36 | dpash | Tarragon: just the layout |
| 12:44.17 | dank_work | ibot ganglia |
| 12:44.18 | | dank_work: i haven't a clue |
| 12:45.07 | jason_ukfsn | ibot clue |
| 12:45.09 | | it has been said that clue is a very useful thing indeed. |
| 12:45.34 | Davilion | ibot clueless |
| 12:45.35 | | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, Davilion |
| 12:46.01 | murb | codes of behaviour? is this going to become an authoritaian dictatorship? |
| 12:46.10 | murb | policed by ibot and his merry gang? |
| 12:47.02 | dank_work | murb: No. Jenson can police the codes of behaviour |
| 12:47.02 | dank_work | :) |
| 12:49.15 | murb | bugger my workstation in luxembourg has either been unplugged or crash, although i think it is more likly been unplugged, and im' using it and im' pissed off. |
| 12:49.19 | murb | grrrrrr |
| 12:49.23 | murb | kill kill kill |
| 12:49.27 | murb | and they're not answering the phone |
| 12:49.56 | Tarragon | ibot ganglia |
| 12:49.56 | | somebody said ganglia was a monitoring system for high-performance systems or a structure containing a number of nerve cells |
| 12:50.22 | dank_work | murb: One of our production machines has also been unplugged or crashed |
| 12:50.29 | dank_work | Had to swap in an old one from here |
| 12:51.01 | dank_work | ibot dance |
| 12:51.02 | | ACTION does a disco dance. |
| 12:51.09 | Davilion | ibot sing |
| 12:51.10 | | ACTION sings off key |
| 12:51.16 | dpash | ibot: die |
| 12:51.16 | | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 12:55.33 | Tarragon | ibot live |
| 12:55.34 | | ACTION rises from the dead and starts eating people. |
| 12:56.17 | dpash | ibot: die |
| 12:56.18 | | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 12:56.26 | dpash | ibot: dank_work |
| 12:56.27 | | i haven't a clue, dpash |
| 12:56.34 | dpash | ibot: dankolb |
| 12:56.35 | | rumour has it, dankolb is still feeling stabbed in the back, or |
| 12:57.03 | dpash | Tarragon: I think I prefer ibot dead |
| 12:57.26 | murb | dank: at globix? |
| 12:57.38 | dpash | ibot: dpash |
| 12:57.38 | | [dpash] looking for a geek girl |
| 12:57.46 | dpash | good |
| 12:58.03 | dpash | I want to know who changed it to say I am is big geek girl |
| 12:58.25 | Davilion | ibot davilion |
| 12:58.27 | | extra, extra, read all about it, davilion is your lord and master, or a lord of the all of nothing. very charming, or somebody you definatly dont want to get on the wrong side of, or is about to hit you with a big stick, or somebody who builds intermediate sized iron, or quite cute in a scottish kinda way, or quite handy with perl and a pointy stick, or master of irvined.co.uk and getserving.co.uk, or responsible for creating some call center software, or somebody who likes debian |
| 12:59.00 | Davilion | hmm got a stack of stuff to take back to maplins to exchange. |
| 12:59.47 | dank_work | murb: The machine died at Globix |
| 12:59.57 | dank_work | We changed the firewall to point to one of the other machines |
| 13:00.28 | murb | dank: do you get to come down to Globix or not? |
| 13:00.38 | dank_work | Not today, unfortunately |
| 13:01.06 | dank_work | I might go down tomorrow - I wanted to go see Clyphox, anyway. So work can pay for my train costs :) |
| 13:01.17 | dank_work | It's not a 'dire emergency' |
| 13:03.29 | murb | want me to set the building on fire? |
| 13:04.00 | dank_work | They have halon |
| 13:04.36 | Davilion | is there a drinking session tonight? istr checking the 21st in my diary for something |
| 13:05.28 | murb | you missed it, it was in wycombe on tuesday or somthing. |
| 13:05.38 | dank_work | yes. WycLUG |
| 13:07.19 | Davilion | hmm. |
| 13:07.32 | Davilion | So no drinking session tonight then? |
| 13:08.48 | dank_work | Nope |
| 13:12.07 | murb | well only if whoever organiseses it can garratnee i'll be well enough to get up at 0300 walk to wycombe and catch the 04:30 bus to stansted. |
| 13:12.29 | dank_work | What's happening in Stansted? |
| 13:13.56 | murb | i'm flying for to germany for ski |
| 13:14.04 | dank_work | Ah yes |
| 13:14.16 | dank_work | Anyone else from here going? |
| 13:14.53 | murb | doubt it. |
| 13:30.31 | jason_ukfsn | lots of work to do. I'm off now. Have fun all and I'll see some of you tomorrow morning. |
| 13:30.34 | *** part/#gllug jason_ukfsn (~jason@public1-watf3-5-cust120.watf.broadband.ntl.com) |
| 13:34.26 | dank_work | re |
| 13:35.03 | Huhn | re :) |
| 13:36.54 | dank_work | We've run out of coffee here :( |
| 13:37.01 | dank_work | (well, run out of decent stuff) |
| 13:37.08 | dank_work | A 250g packet, gone in 4 days |
| 13:38.55 | cup | ls |
| 13:42.02 | Tarragon | 3[cup@linux cup] work/ fun/ pr0n/ mp3/ |
| 13:43.06 | dank_work | :) |
| 13:43.29 | murb | no silly escape charactuer please tarragon |
| 13:45.51 | Tarragon | murb I thought that was the standard for a colour change |
| 13:47.17 | murb | colour crap isn't standard irc. |
| 14:02.26 | dank_work | Bah. It's just some escape codes |
| 14:04.32 | highbury | Tarragon: are you sure "moin" is a common used phrase? Only one person here uses it |
| 14:04.55 | dank_work | Three |
| 14:04.57 | Huhn | highbury: I know at least 3 |
| 14:05.02 | Huhn | dank_work: :) |
| 14:08.14 | highbury | :-P ok, I've updated www.gllug.org.uk/irc.html to incorporate Tarragon's suggestion, plus a few more, though I think I may have a copy of link to the right too |
| 14:08.36 | Tarragon | I put it in because it is used by some people on this channel - thake it out if you want. |
| 14:08.57 | highbury | no its an excellent link |
| 14:09.14 | highbury | oh sorry, "moin", sure lets leave it |
| 14:10.33 | Tarragon | Maybe not GUI but it does support the ANSI standard colour codes |
| 14:10.44 | dank_work | So does irssi |
| 14:11.08 | Huhn | dank_work: how do you define GUI? I define it as sth to click on ;) |
| 14:11.20 | dank_work | And it should be 'registering nicks', not 'registering nick's' |
| 14:12.55 | highbury | GUI means it can't run with no X, or some navigation can be donw with mouse |
| 14:13.20 | dank_work | So BitchX isn't GUI |
| 14:14.02 | highbury | ok, I'll fix |
| 14:14.29 | dank_work | :) |
| 14:15.35 | highbury | dank_work: can you recommend specific Mac tools? I juust made a generic link |
| 14:16.02 | dank_work | Umm. I use XChat, which is available under fink |
| 14:16.09 | dank_work | I didn't like any of the Mac IRC clients |
| 14:16.21 | dank_work | irssi and BitchX are also available |
| 14:17.42 | highbury | is there a default/specific one people use, before they start playing with ported ones? |
| 14:18.00 | dank_work | To be honest, I don't know |
| 14:18.07 | highbury | uh ok |
| 14:18.16 | dank_work | http://www.apple.com/macosx/downloads/ |
| 14:18.30 | dank_work | There should be some IRC clients listed in one of the sections |
| 14:32.49 | Tarragon | model? |
| 14:33.14 | Davilion | sitecom wl-011 uses atmel driver iirc. |
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| 16:02.25 | Davilion | quiet in here today, what is everybody doing? |
| 16:02.41 | nasrat | post pub lunch pretending to work |
| 16:02.45 | dank_work | Trying to have a game of Mornington Crescent |
| 16:02.53 | Davilion | Mornington Crescent? |
| 16:02.55 | dank_work | Yeah |
| 16:03.06 | nasrat | dank_work: at work or on irc |
| 16:03.08 | dank_work | And everyone's just not organised |
| 16:03.12 | dank_work | IRC, of course :) |
| 16:03.54 | nasrat | not on this channel then |
| 16:04.33 | dank_work | Nope. |
| 16:04.35 | dank_work | #morcanna |
| 16:04.42 | dank_work | But maybe people would be better organised here |
| 16:07.10 | nasrat | dank_work: nah it's herding cats |
| 16:08.02 | dank_work | :) |
| 16:23.53 | dpash | that is pretty much the state of affairs in #morcanna |
| 16:24.14 | dank_work | Yeah. And Humph isn't even managing to keep control :( |
| 16:25.26 | SpudUAway | Humph would have spent more time asleep! |
| 16:27.47 | dank_work | Maybe he should just go and let Samantha have a blow on his trumpet |
| 16:42.56 | dank_work | Unruly. The whole lot of them over there |
| 16:46.39 | Davilion | wb |
| 16:46.48 | dank_work | re |
| 16:47.16 | Huhn | re and ty ;) |
| 16:59.06 | Tarragon | Is it possible to turn an iso image into a bootable iso image? |
| 16:59.21 | dank_work | Mount it, and re-ISO it |
| 17:05.32 | Tarragon | I think we are a go for war against France |
| 17:05.33 | Tarragon | French President Jacques Chirac says France would not accept a US-British post-war administration of Iraq |
| 17:07.08 | dank_work | yeah. Have a French administration. After all, they already wear Berets |
| 17:09.16 | SpudUAway | I think the croissant will go down well! |
| 17:09.31 | Davilion | Have problems with engine though, cant seem to fit the sheep and |
| 17:09.31 | Davilion | treadmill under the bonnet. Still the fuel is cheap a couple of |
| 17:09.31 | Davilion | carrots hung in front of it. |
| 17:09.31 | Davilion | And for the turbo effect, the sound of a welsh man approaching from |
| 17:09.31 | Davilion | behind the sheep, boy do those buggers move when that happens!!!! |
| 17:09.32 | Davilion | (Joke. No insult intended to the welsh. Its not your fault who your |
| 17:09.34 | Davilion | parents are...) |
| 17:09.36 | Davilion | heh. |
| 17:09.38 | Davilion | that cracked me up. |
| 17:09.52 | Davilion | so much so that everybody around me just turned to stare |
| 17:10.14 | dank_work | :) |
| 17:15.36 | nasrat | nearly end of week yay |
| 17:18.26 | eye69 | Any mutt freaks awake? What is your addressbook solution of choice? |
| 17:22.44 | Huhn | eye69: I have it in a seperate file: |
| 17:22.53 | Huhn | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:22.54 | Huhn | set alias_file=~/.mail_aliases |
| 17:23.05 | eye69 | Yeah, I've tried that also. |
| 17:23.13 | Huhn | where's the prob? |
| 17:24.24 | eye69 | Not a real problem. Just wanted to know if there was anything else out there. Did a few searches but couldn't come up with anything. |
| 17:24.43 | eye69 | Thanks. |
| 17:25.58 | nasrat | eye69: you can also use mutt-ldap-search which I've used against exchange servers before |
| 17:31.36 | Huhn | eye69: btw: I have another external source file: source '~/.mutt-gpg' |
| 17:36.02 | eye69 | Huhn: ? |
| 17:36.17 | Huhn | eye69: mom phone |
| 17:41.35 | Huhn | re |
| 17:41.59 | Huhn | eye69: I was just suggesting that it is a good idea to have external files and not store everything in .muttrc |
| 17:42.46 | *** join/#gllug marko85_uk ([h2basfry5@213.78.107.73) |
| 17:42.55 | marko85_uk | sup everyone |
| 17:43.33 | dank_work | (or rather, will claim it back on expenses) |
| 17:43.43 | marko85_uk | dank work which company do you work for again |
| 17:43.49 | dank_work | Causeway Technologies |
| 17:43.59 | eye69 | Huhn: That's what I have. I started with a config linked from mutt.org, and built from that. |
| 17:44.05 | dank_work | They pay for my ADSL connection at home too |
| 17:44.23 | marko85_uk | guys i just got a little message saying you have new mail |
| 17:44.28 | Huhn | eye69: ok ;) |
| 17:44.34 | marko85_uk | 2 messages 2008 bytes total |
| 17:44.35 | eye69 | Folders, headers, lists and settings. |
| 17:44.37 | marko85_uk | how do i chack my mail |
| 17:44.41 | dank_work | mail |
| 17:44.49 | eye69 | Huhn: Good point tho. |
| 17:45.02 | nasrat | dank_work: nah tcpdump |
| 17:45.21 | marko85_uk | i type mail in therminal |
| 17:45.36 | HuhnHAIE | -> ice hockey |
| 17:45.38 | HuhnHAIE | bye |
| 17:46.05 | dank_work | nasrat: tcpdump is only useful while the mail is being SMTPed |
| 17:46.12 | dank_work | Not when it's already on the system |
| 17:46.14 | dank_work | bye HuhnHAIE |
| 17:46.31 | marko85_uk | they are root messages |
| 17:46.32 | marko85_uk | :) |
| 17:47.02 | marko85_uk | my up2date doesnt seem to work |
| 17:47.36 | marko85_uk | and i found the command that deffinitly shuts down my computer when i want it to do it |
| 17:47.37 | marko85_uk | :) |
| 17:48.27 | marko85_uk | would anyone like to see my red hat 8.0 screen shot |
| 17:51.43 | dank_work | Bah. Probably not as good as http://testme.eco.li/screenshot_work1.jpg |
| 17:52.22 | marko85_uk | ewwww what is this |
| 17:52.32 | dank_work | It's nice. |
| 17:52.33 | dank_work | WindowMaker |
| 17:53.07 | marko85_uk | dank work if you really want to see what nice screen shot looks like |
| 17:53.12 | marko85_uk | tell me coz i can send you mine |
| 17:53.12 | marko85_uk | :) |
| 17:53.57 | dank_work | Yeah, sure |
| 17:53.57 | nasrat | urgh - lotus notes |
| 17:54.01 | dank_work | nasrat: Heh |
| 17:55.05 | marko85_uk | dank work accept |
| 17:55.24 | dank_work | Yeah - should be accepting |
| 17:55.31 | dank_work | You're slow |
| 17:55.38 | marko85_uk | its ok i am bit impatent hehe |
| 17:55.45 | marko85_uk | i had parents evening last night |
| 17:55.52 | marko85_uk | :) |
| 17:56.36 | dank_work | How did it go? |
| 17:56.47 | marko85_uk | i am good student so i didnt have problems |
| 17:56.52 | marko85_uk | do you like my screen shot |
| 17:56.55 | marko85_uk | it is kind of cool |
| 17:56.55 | marko85_uk | :) |
| 17:57.27 | dank_work | Doesn't look that nice |
| 17:57.31 | dank_work | Taskbar too big |
| 17:57.35 | dank_work | Fonts too big |
| 17:57.38 | marko85_uk | i reduced it |
| 17:57.52 | marko85_uk | and i decreased the size of the icons |
| 17:58.51 | eye69 | You will also have at least 1 years Linux Unix support experience, prefarbly Red Hat. |
| 17:59.02 | eye69 | Nice to see that the recruiters can spell. |
| 17:59.10 | dank_work | :) |
| 17:59.39 | marko85_uk | eye69 are you talking to me |
| 17:59.40 | marko85_uk | :) |
| 17:59.58 | eye69 | No, I'm commenting the line I just pasted. |
| 18:01.34 | marko85_uk | its cool |
| 18:34.09 | dank_work | Hometime |
| 18:34.10 | dank_work | Bye |
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| 18:55.10 | formi | hello |
| 19:05.39 | *** join/#gllug Leeds (~richardc@user-626.bbd01tcl.dsl.pol.co.uk) |
| 19:06.47 | formi | hi leeds |
| 19:06.50 | Leeds | evening |
| 19:07.07 | formi | were you in here in the morning? |
| 19:07.42 | *** join/#gllug dankolb (~dankolb@spookhive.demon.co.uk) |
| 19:08.18 | dankolb | Evenin'' |
| 19:08.30 | formi | hi dank |
| 19:08.53 | Leeds | nope |
| 19:08.56 | dankolb | hey. how's it going? |
| 19:09.00 | formi | dank, where you in the channel this morning? |
| 19:09.21 | dankolb | Yeah...why? |
| 19:10.36 | formi | any talks about meeting up tomorrow morning for the demo? |
| 19:11.05 | dankolb | Not that I recall |
| 19:11.15 | dankolb | I think there was some discussed on the mailing list |
| 19:11.36 | formi | well it flammed away! |
| 19:12.04 | dankolb | Hm |
| 19:12.15 | formi | hm? |
| 19:13.08 | dankolb | Wasn't it decided to meet between 10.30 and 11.30 at Borders on Oxford St? |
| 19:13.34 | formi | that was proposed, but no confirmation |
| 19:13.53 | formi | i phoned Jason a few times |
| 19:14.19 | formi | to the number on ukfsn.org site, only to be answered by a modem |
| 19:14.42 | formi | which is a bit too much geekness for me |
| 19:16.03 | dankolb | Ah |
| 19:17.08 | formi | you are feeling a bit imaginative with your replies today! |
| 19:18.08 | dankolb | Sorry - I'm reading email at the same time |
| 19:18.21 | formi | any ideas about resuDaed? i need to talk to him |
| 19:18.57 | dankolb | What sort of ideas? |
| 19:19.19 | dankolb | Do you have his phone no? |
| 19:19.29 | formi | yeah |
| 19:19.31 | formi | and? |
| 19:19.37 | dankolb | Have you phoned him? |
| 19:19.46 | formi | he sent me a text |
| 19:20.03 | dankolb | Ah |
| 19:20.14 | formi | i don't use such a highly technology technique |
| 19:20.31 | dankolb | Heh :) |
| 19:20.45 | dankolb | But texts can be useful sometimes |
| 19:21.02 | formi | i'm not spending money, phoning him, when he bloody sent me a email asking me somebody I told him 3 times |
| 19:22.43 | dankolb | :) |
| 19:23.43 | formi | s/email/text message |
| 19:34.14 | dankolb | Food time |
| 19:38.34 | SpudUAway | See, that's what I get for not reading the news often enough. |
| 19:38.55 | formi | SpudUAway: are you talking alone?? |
| 19:39.11 | formi | mental services in this country ain't great |
| 19:39.12 | SpudUAway | I thought it was shock and or (is in 'maybe tomorrow'). |
| 19:39.34 | formi | who? |
| 19:40.05 | SpudUAway | why? |
| 19:40.12 | formi | where? |
| 19:40.18 | SpudUAway | when? |
| 19:40.33 | formi | how? |
| 19:40.47 | SpudUAway | whether and whence. |
| 19:40.50 | SpudUAway | ? |
| 19:40.53 | formi | why not? |
| 19:41.05 | SpudUAway | Ah, now you're asking! |
| 19:41.30 | formi | you have lost then, :-) |
| 19:42.11 | SpudUAway | Indeed, I have lost. But from the outset I never thought I could win. |
| 19:44.47 | formi | it would be to much abusing |
| 19:45.21 | formi | are you comming to roit tomorrow? |
| 19:46.48 | SpudUAway | I doubt it. I know you'll have fun enough for those that can't go. |
| 19:48.02 | formi | im not at my best |
| 19:48.21 | formi | my health is playing with me |
| 19:49.21 | formi | it will bring back those sweet memories about when i organized a few demos during the golf war |
| 19:50.07 | Leeds | golf war? |
| 19:50.26 | Leeds | cheap shot, I know |
| 19:51.47 | formi | when talking about delicate things |
| 19:51.58 | Leeds | huh? |
| 19:52.27 | SpudUAway | formi: You still recovering from last weekends excesses? |
| 19:52.30 | murb | according my insurance for skiing whic the insurance company sent to my mother i'm not insured form golf, for for going east or south of the meditaraninan |
| 19:53.27 | formi | murb: and probably from praying in arab in front of "certain monkeys" |
| 19:54.40 | formi | or even eating dates |
| 19:54.42 | SpudUAway | That's a bit of a downer on the golfing front. But then, it does seem like a lot of trouble to go to just to plant 18 potatoes. |
| 19:55.31 | formi | SpudUAway: well try an go to see how easy it is to plant 18 potatoes in central london |
| 19:55.40 | murb | I didn't realiase playing golf was so risky, maybe they just exclude it so they can extract extra cash out of old rich people that like to play with clubs |
| 19:56.01 | Leeds | murb: flying balls, flying clubs, lightning... |
| 19:56.07 | SpudUAway | Hmm, you've not seen JackAss then! |
| 19:56.51 | formi | murb: there is always the chance of upsetting the local "faunae" and be attacked by their minions |
| 19:57.57 | formi | murb: or finding your boss aiming at the "wrong place" |
| 19:58.23 | SpudUAway | "that damp patch in the server room is getting worse!" |
| 20:05.09 | formi | and then people wonder why the ceiling came down. |
| 20:06.04 | formi | and obviously is not highly advisable to stand up, extend your arm and point for finger at the drone. |
| 20:07.42 | Tarragon | Which drone? |
| 20:08.24 | formi | you can't resist showing up when called. :-> |
| 20:08.54 | Tarragon | I'm a drone, I'm a drone tra-la-lah |
| 20:09.18 | formi | if you admit it, who am I to negate it? |
| 20:09.50 | Tarragon | Well I do quite often drone on and on and on and ... |
| 20:10.34 | formi | it doesn't happen to me, ... |
| 20:18.16 | formi | just read, BNP is mounting a legal challenge against the gov for their "unconditional support to the us, and the uk on their illegal attack agains iraq" |
| 20:18.30 | formi | s/BNP/BNG |
| 20:20.21 | Tarragon | Britsh National Party ? |
| 20:20.45 | formi | Bloque Nacionalista Galego |
| 20:21.11 | formi | which is more or less the same syntactically |
| 20:21.40 | Tarragon | In which court? |
| 20:22.20 | Tarragon | I thought the Spanish leader was for it. |
| 20:22.25 | formi | the equivalent of the high court in spain |
| 20:22.33 | formi | that's the point |
| 20:23.08 | formi | imagine the liberals taking gov to court for doing something illegal under international law |
| 20:23.16 | formi | which they are doing |
| 20:26.55 | Tarragon | UK news is full of Australian, US and UK soldiers. What are the Spanish doing being co-sponsors of the action? |
| 20:27.14 | formi | no fucking idea |
| 20:27.56 | formi | but what i see in the news is like in here, only that they add azny to the dynamic duo |
| 20:27.57 | Tarragon | Is there a main Spanish news site I can visit that is not US owned? |
| 20:28.12 | formi | spain is not the uk |
| 20:28.20 | formi | yet |
| 20:28.42 | eye69 | Well, they said that some countries have supplied training facilities, like gas protection training and such. |
| 20:28.44 | formi | how's your spanish? |
| 20:29.33 | Tarragon | None so English translation would be good but willing to live without |
| 20:29.46 | murb | Tarragon: the spanish supplised a venue for a meeting i think that is all |
| 20:29.54 | formi | http://www.elcorreogallego.es/periodico/20030321/ultimahora/N180178.asp |
| 20:30.11 | formi | murb: i just wished it was only that, |
| 20:30.13 | murb | I know that their are german troops in kuwait doing chemical detetion and stuff... |
| 20:30.24 | murb | and the australias can't even use cluster bombs |
| 20:30.32 | formi | murb: no, it was the portuguese who provided it |
| 20:30.32 | eye69 | ultimahora...."ultimate whore" in swedish |
| 20:30.33 | eye69 | :) |
| 20:31.33 | formi | eye69: i always thought swedish where a bunch of weirdos, :-> |
| 20:31.43 | eye69 | Tssk. :) |
| 20:33.00 | formi | it is fucking unbelievable who in the UsKingdom they always avoid throwing the sp presi in the middle |
| 20:33.33 | formi | when aznar is sucking more us arse than blair by a spanish km |
| 20:36.17 | *** join/#gllug publunch (~pjb@81-37.gw02.sheff.dial.plus.net.uk) |
| 20:36.17 | formi | http://www.farodevigo.es/humor/humor5.html |
| 20:36.26 | publunch | Hello |
| 20:36.36 | formi | hi |
| 20:36.36 | publunch | I'm from #freeciv |
| 20:36.56 | publunch | We are thinking about having our annual meeting in London this year. |
| 20:37.10 | publunch | Would anyone here be able to suggest a venue? |
| 20:37.11 | formi | and you are eating in a pub? how dare you? |
| 20:37.19 | publunch | hahah |
| 20:38.43 | publunch | So where do you hold your gllug meetings? |
| 20:38.44 | Leeds | publunch: what kind of venue? and why does your AI suck? :-) |
| 20:38.49 | publunch | haha |
| 20:38.57 | publunch | Well, someone is working on the ai. |
| 20:38.58 | eye69 | We usually hold our pub evenings after the meetings at the Green Man |
| 20:39.18 | eye69 | I can't remember what tube station it is close to now. |
| 20:39.18 | Leeds | pub-type venue? hall-type? |
| 20:39.24 | Leeds | Great Portland St. |
| 20:39.29 | eye69 | That it is. |
| 20:40.06 | Leeds | publunch: again: what kind of venue>? |
| 20:40.07 | publunch | Well, if the venue has a nice internet connection, that would be nice. |
| 20:40.23 | publunch | A network of linux boxes would also be useful. |
| 20:40.27 | Leeds | for what kind of meeting? |
| 20:40.34 | publunch | The last meeting had about 12 people. |
| 20:40.49 | publunch | cybercafe lunch? |
| 20:41.02 | publunch | That would be a possibility. |
| 20:41.06 | Leeds | publunch: coding, gaming, both? |
| 20:41.17 | publunch | both |
| 20:41.22 | formi_BRB | Leeds: what about sleeping? |
| 20:41.40 | publunch | hmm - inexpensive nearby hotels would be useful. |
| 20:42.00 | Leeds | not going to happen in London... |
| 20:42.05 | publunch | The last meeting had about 12 people. |
| 20:42.10 | Leeds | cheap cameras, that is... |
| 20:42.18 | publunch | yes, hotels are expensive in London. |
| 20:42.26 | Leeds | cameras? where the hell did that come from??? |
| 20:42.29 | publunch | I know, 'coz I have playedMonopoly. |
| 20:42.37 | Leeds | gtk-atlantic :-) |
| 20:42.39 | publunch | I live in Hampshire |
| 20:42.52 | Leeds | so not sheffield then? |
| 20:43.07 | publunch | No, sheffield would be a bit far away. |
| 20:43.39 | Leeds | only that your machine name seems to be 81-37.gw02.sheff.dial.plus.net.uk - I assumed :-) |
| 20:44.05 | publunch | yes |
| 20:44.15 | Leeds | next questions: when (as in date) and when (as in time of week and length) |
| 20:44.24 | publunch | Well, a weekend |
| 20:44.33 | publunch | Summer |
| 20:44.57 | Tarragon | That is fractionally cheaper for the hotels as all the business men will have gone |
| 20:45.36 | publunch | I think the Amsterdam one was in July or August. |
| 20:46.28 | publunch | Well, I think the last one was officially one afternoon, |
| 20:46.34 | publunch | but it stretched. |
| 20:46.45 | Leeds | I'd come along to play some... I've played civ of various kinds for many many many years, but never played multiplayer... |
| 20:47.11 | publunch | Well, install freeciv. |
| 20:47.23 | publunch | Have a few games offline by your self, |
| 20:47.31 | Leeds | got it installed :-) I tend to play SMAC though |
| 20:47.39 | *** join/#gllug CapTVK (CapTVK@xs195-241-222-221.dial.tiscali.nl) |
| 20:47.45 | publunch | and when you feel ready to be humiliated by the addicts, try an online game. |
| 20:48.01 | publunch | Ah! This is CapTVK, who organized the Amsterdam fuadec. |
| 20:48.11 | CapTVK | Hello there |
| 20:48.24 | Tarragon | Hi |
| 20:48.29 | publunch | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:48.49 | publunch | Apart from that, I haven't had any specific suggestions. |
| 20:48.53 | CapTVK | cybercafelunch? |
| 20:49.10 | formi | publunch: that is usual in this channel |
| 20:49.21 | publunch | ah |
| 20:49.30 | publunch | Your search - cybercafelunch - did not match any documents. |
| 20:49.31 | publunch | No pages were found containing "cybercafelunch". |
| 20:50.03 | CapTVK | Publunch, did already explain a bit about the plans for fuadec 2? |
| 20:50.04 | formi | publunch: do you have a sense of humour? it was a pun on your nick |
| 20:50.16 | publunch | oh |
| 20:50.19 | Tarragon | The cheapest place to stay is going to be the Youth Hostels. If you did it on a weekend when we have a GLLUG meeting then you maybe able to use the university labs. The Sunday we could always show you the delights of the Church! |
| 20:50.21 | publunch | haha |
| 20:50.23 | publunch | lol |
| 20:50.51 | formi | or you could try to claim you are comming from some eastern country |
| 20:50.52 | publunch | Tarragon - that sounds useful |
| 20:50.54 | SpudUAway | Then you'ld have to rename to #freeunciv |
| 20:51.03 | publunch | haha |
| 20:51.06 | CapTVK | Oh yes, I suggested the same whilst I organized fuadec in Amsterdam (I'm in the company of veterans i see ;) |
| 20:51.14 | publunch | What? Dress up as arabs? |
| 20:51.29 | CapTVK | Well, I am from a country east |
| 20:51.33 | Leeds | publunch: I don't see any particular reason why you couldn't piggy-back on a GLLUG meeting... our meetings tend to be noon-5pm, then we get chucked out of the place and go to the put |
| 20:51.34 | formi | you don't really need to be so extremist |
| 20:51.37 | Leeds | pub=pub |
| 20:51.57 | publunch | hey, Leeds, this sounds cool! |
| 20:52.01 | formi | Leeds: amazing statement |
| 20:52.13 | Leeds | formi: what are you waffling about? |
| 20:52.43 | SpudUAway | 5pm is supposed to be a firm end time, no movement to extending. The pub is cool, but not wired! |
| 20:52.44 | Leeds | my typo? :-) |
| 20:52.52 | formi | <Leeds> pub=pub, never occurred to me |
| 20:53.04 | Tarragon | So 5 hours freeciv, five hours pub, one hour food, next day far too many hours at the church watching SpudUAway and pdr doing their thing. |
| 20:53.04 | Leeds | SpudUAway: but there is a good chance of some random newsgroup meeting upstairs :-) |
| 20:53.27 | publunch | And so if we had it on the back of a glug meeting, then there would be computers and networks and internet connections available? |
| 20:53.37 | Tarragon | Yes |
| 20:53.39 | Leeds | yup |
| 20:53.40 | CapTVK | So, these are LLUG meetings are organized at the university computer labs? |
| 20:53.52 | Tarragon | yes |
| 20:53.53 | Leeds | CapTVK: GLLUG, not LLUG - but yes |
| 20:53.54 | SpudUAway | Leeds: Yeah, can see them all getting on well with the #nethack group meeting! |
| 20:54.08 | publunch | And that would be in the Gower Street kind of area? |
| 20:54.11 | Leeds | SpudUAway: hah... those new-fangled graphics things... |
| 20:54.20 | Leeds | publunch: yup |
| 20:54.23 | publunch | goood |
| 20:54.34 | CapTVK | GLLUG, i stand corrected :) |
| 20:54.41 | Leeds | formi: is there any particular reason we *wouldn't* welcome a bunch of freeciv fans? |
| 20:55.08 | formi | Leeds: did you sell your sense of humour? |
| 20:55.10 | SpudUAway | We could MAKE them give a talk! |
| 20:55.21 | publunch | Yes, we could even do a talk. |
| 20:55.21 | Leeds | SpudUAway: now there's a thought! :-) payment... |
| 20:55.41 | publunch | Perhaps we could convert a few ppl to the delights of freeciv. |
| 20:55.51 | publunch | And you could ask some questions like: |
| 20:55.58 | SpudUAway | The FreeCiv thread on the list summoned some interest. |
| 20:56.02 | publunch | 'Why is your ai so awful?' |
| 20:56.08 | CapTVK | Win-win situation for all it seems. |
| 20:56.13 | publunch | cool |
| 20:56.19 | Leeds | publunch: for reference, our meetings are currently topping 100 people - plenty of potential players :-) |
| 20:56.30 | publunch | Wow! That is big! |
| 20:56.58 | publunch | Well, you can play freeciv while you are drunk/stoned, but don't expect to win! |
| 20:57.09 | CapTVK | 100ppl thats excellent! |
| 20:57.14 | formi | publunch: you have never been to the basque play party? |
| 20:57.24 | publunch | formi: no |
| 20:58.07 | Leeds | London is the big city :-) |
| 20:58.17 | formi | it gets the order of thousands, they even get the biggest switches from 3com for it |
| 20:58.42 | publunch | yes - I usually avoid big cities. |
| 20:58.53 | formi | they have the world record of people being networked in the same place |
| 20:59.30 | Tarragon | Freeciv - thats like the board game Risk but with poor computer grapghics? |
| 20:59.31 | publunch | I live in Hampshire, which is really rural and stoneage as far as most of you think. |
| 20:59.32 | formi | it is MASSIVE, i suppose in the uk nobody could coordinate such a large meeting |
| 20:59.53 | publunch | Heh! Are you playing version 0.1, Tarragon? |
| 21:00.17 | CapTVK | Tarragon, just wait till you see the alpha SDL client in action :) |
| 21:00.27 | Leeds | ooh, SDL client :-) |
| 21:00.28 | Tarragon | :-) |
| 21:01.02 | publunch | Well, CapTVK and myself will get in touch with some of the other freeciv addicts and see what they think. |
| 21:01.17 | Leeds | Tarragon: for what it's worth, ISTR xfrisk (http://morphy.iki.fi/xfrisk/) being a half-decent risk for *nix... |
| 21:01.37 | SpudUAway | Overnight accommodation.... |
| 21:01.37 | publunch | Leeds and Tarragon - you seem to be the people who do the talking around here. |
| 21:01.41 | Clyphox_bdboy | bbl.. still partying.. |
| 21:01.43 | CapTVK | btw, could you guys give me your email adres. I might check back in a day or two |
| 21:01.55 | SpudUAway | The hostels are £22 for those sharing. |
| 21:01.55 | Tarragon | Not me. |
| 21:02.20 | Leeds | publunch: gllugadmin@linux.co.uk is the contact address for the GLLUG administrators... |
| 21:02.26 | publunch | I am pjb@publunch.plus.com |
| 21:02.34 | publunch | Leeds: thanks |
| 21:02.39 | SpudUAway | We can all equally share ignoring you ;-) |
| 21:02.42 | CapTVK | thomas@worldonline.nl |
| 21:02.46 | formi | http://www.euskal.org/euskal11/php/indice.php?lang=1&seccion=org |
| 21:03.06 | formi | if only we had something like that in london, it is in english |
| 21:03.58 | formi | 2nd pavilion will be the center of the party; bigscreens, technical control and tables for participant's computers will be there. There will be about 2100 computers in this pavilion (2048 computers from participants and 52 computers from organization). |
| 21:04.11 | CapTVK | whistles... |
| 21:04.34 | formi | we could set up a group of gllugers, lonixers, consumists, and go |
| 21:07.57 | Leeds | remind me, what big nwes event happened in April last year? |
| 21:08.22 | Leeds | news |
| 21:09.13 | Leeds | I'm looking at the BBC network status stuff, and they had a huge peak in April |
| 21:09.36 | formi | worm attack? |
| 21:10.29 | Leeds | could be... |
| 21:10.59 | Leeds | it's worth noting, by the way, that their real[audio|video] load graphs are measured in kplayers :-) |
| 21:11.48 | Leeds | like they're currently showing 24.5 kplayers... |
| 21:12.59 | Tarragon | 17 April 2002 was the budget |
| 21:13.21 | Leeds | ah, that'd probably be it |
| 21:14.37 | Tarragon | 15 April London marathon |
| 21:14.59 | Leeds | there are 2 peaks, actually - could well be both :-) |
| 21:20.24 | Leeds | formi has the right answer :-) |
| 21:22.16 | formi | it seems pointless enough |
| 21:23.04 | formi | do i get points just for comming out with the idea? |
| 21:23.16 | CapTVK | Well, I'm off...cya around guys |
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| 21:23.33 | formi | CapTVK: you are welcomed back |
| 21:23.38 | formi | late i was |
| 21:25.58 | formi | hei Huhn |
| 21:27.02 | Huhn | hi formi |
| 21:27.21 | Huhn | formi: tell me |
| 21:27.37 | Tarragon | Leeds: Answer is Queen Mother |
| 21:28.09 | formi | Tarragon: what? |
| 21:28.58 | Tarragon | Queen Mothers funeral was in April 2002 which would explain the BBC peaks |
| 21:29.38 | formi | i thought you were talking about something serious |
| 21:29.58 | Tarragon | Never |
| 21:30.15 | formi | i don't believe you |
| 21:30.57 | Tarragon | You never do. |
| 21:31.27 | formi | i don't ever say never, |
| 21:31.52 | formi | ibot: is tarragon even serious? |
| 21:31.53 | | formi: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 21:32.07 | formi | ibot: man tarragon |
| 21:32.08 | | formi: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 21:32.24 | Tarragon | ibot woman tarragon |
| 21:32.25 | | Tarragon: I give up, what is it? |
| 21:32.36 | Tarragon | ibot Tarragon |
| 21:32.37 | | extra, extra, read all about it, tarragon is getting taller sideways. |
| 21:32.40 | formi | ibot: am i intelligent? |
| 21:32.40 | | formi: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 21:33.00 | formi | ibot: am i smart? |
| 21:33.01 | | formi: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 21:33.21 | formi | ibot: are you repetitive? |
| 21:33.21 | | formi: are you using Windows? |
| 21:33.38 | formi | ibot: are you using windows? |
| 21:33.39 | | no idea, formi |
| 21:33.49 | Tarragon | Hey Huhn you won! |
| 21:34.02 | formi | ibot: do you have a idea? |
| 21:34.03 | | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, formi |
| 21:34.26 | Huhn | Tarragon: even better: Duesseldorf lost ;)))) |
| 21:35.13 | formi | see you later |
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| 21:52.12 | denivri | ayupe |
| 21:57.42 | Leeds | Tarragon: yes, thank you |
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| 22:00.52 | Huhn | wb dankolb |
| 22:01.14 | dankolb | Evening |
| 22:01.16 | dankolb | Dead Ringers time! |
| 22:02.47 | dankolb | www.bbc.co.uk/bbc7 |
| 22:02.47 | denivri | dead ringers? |
| 22:02.55 | dankolb | Oh dear. |
| 22:03.02 | dankolb | You have a lot of learning to do, denivri |
| 22:03.03 | Leeds | yeah, but it's old, isn't it? |
| 22:03.11 | dankolb | April 2001, I think |
| 22:03.46 | Leeds | too old... |
| 22:03.59 | dankolb | Myeah, well |
| 22:04.02 | dankolb | Still funny |
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| 22:07.45 | dankolb | Hi maxo, formi |
| 22:09.18 | maxo | hi, I came in to ask if anyone knew anything about fonts on linux because the ones on my mandrake box look terrible |
| 22:09.26 | formi | hi |
| 22:10.40 | Leeds | maxo: which mandrake? |
| 22:10.57 | Leeds | not that I'm likely to be able to help with that... |
| 22:11.35 | formi | dankolb: what's the best way of emptying a file, without deleting it and touching it? |
| 22:11.49 | formi | im currently running mdk 9 |
| 22:12.00 | maxo | Leeds: 9.0 |
| 22:12.30 | maxo | The worst fonts are in Mozilla but they're pretty bad in KDE and Konqueror as well |
| 22:12.39 | Leeds | formi: how empty? echo > file will replace it with a single newline and echo -n > file should empty it |
| 22:13.25 | maxo | they're just quite unreadable and the letters are very close together and not at all clear or sharp |
| 22:13.32 | Leeds | maxo: the best advice for mozilla is get an Xft-enabled X and an Xft-enabled Moz... it's what I've got (built and installed it myself, on slackware) and it looks nice :-) |
| 22:13.40 | Leeds | got to have a decent resolution though... |
| 22:13.59 | maxo | Leeds: I installed libXft with urpmi but I don't know what that's done |
| 22:14.29 | Leeds | you've got to have an Xft-enabled Mozilla as well... |
| 22:14.31 | formi | Leeds: how stupid of me, didn't remenber that easy trick |
| 22:14.52 | maxo | I don't really use mozilla, I use konqueror, so that would be affected by X then? |
| 22:14.59 | dankolb | formi: What Leeds said |
| 22:15.22 | Leeds | I don't use k-anything, sorry |
| 22:15.22 | maxo | leeds: how do I know if X is xft-enabled? |
| 22:15.54 | maxo | konqueror is a really nice browser, i actually think it's better than mozilla |
| 22:16.13 | Leeds | maxo: firstly, which X are you running? 4.3.0 is *significantly* better at this stuff, I think |
| 22:16.40 | Leeds | I'm very happy with Mozilla... I'm not going anywhere :-) |
| 22:17.01 | Leeds | dpash - who I'd guess isn't around right now - is the KDE wiz around here... |
| 22:17.33 | maxo | strange my linux is just suddenyl going really slow right now weird |
| 22:17.34 | dankolb | Safari is based on KHTML, isn't it? |
| 22:17.44 | maxo | yeah |
| 22:18.04 | dankolb | It's quite nice. Apart from lack of tabbed browsing |
| 22:18.17 | maxo | konqueror has tabbed browsing now |
| 22:18.17 | dankolb | Camino is nice, too - lighter-weight than Mozilla, which I use still for email |
| 22:19.32 | maxo | Leeds: I'm using xfree86 4.2.1, patch level 3mdk |
| 22:19.53 | maxo | and I don't know if it's xft-enabled but libxft and freetype2 are installed |
| 22:20.11 | Leeds | the problem is that you're not going to like my advice :-( |
| 22:20.41 | Leeds | which is: |
| 22:20.49 | maxo | .... |
| 22:20.53 | Leeds | go to www.freetype.org, get the latest freetype, build and install it... |
| 22:20.55 | dankolb | Install Slackware... |
| 22:21.05 | Leeds | go to ww.xfre86.org, get the latest XFree86, build and install it... |
| 22:21.16 | Leeds | go to www.mozilla.org, get the latest Mozilla, build and install it... |
| 22:21.26 | maxo | er, is there another option, ie. not having to compile? |
| 22:21.35 | Leeds | and quite possibly, go to www.kde.org, get the latest KDE, build and install it... |
| 22:22.17 | maxo | I can't do that, it'll take a year :-/ |
| 22:23.09 | Leeds | okay... forget KDE, just do the others - it won't take that long :-) |
| 22:24.03 | formi | maxo: go to #mandrake and ask |
| 22:24.09 | maxo | how long on a 500mhz computer with 192mb ram? |
| 22:24.24 | Leeds | not that long... |
| 22:24.30 | formi | there are people who compile custom packages with all the whistles |
| 22:24.43 | Leeds | an evening - most of whicj will be downloading or building, so you don't need to sit there |
| 22:25.06 | maxo | I think having to compile is the one thing that lets linux down |
| 22:25.18 | formi | probably the plf ftp server |
| 22:25.35 | maxo | I've installed freetype2 |
| 22:25.35 | Leeds | maxo: I think it's one of the biggest advantages Linux has ;-) |
| 22:25.55 | maxo | I'm not saying it shouldn't be an option, I just think there needs to be better installation as well |
| 22:26.09 | Leeds | there probably is... I said you wouldn't like my advice :-) |
| 22:26.36 | dankolb | *BSD does it better |
| 22:26.47 | Leeds | I don't use RPM-based stuff... if you're lucky, someone has made Mandrake packages for you - if not, there's nothing wrong with doing it yourself... except that you break your package database, but I don't care about that |
| 22:26.51 | maxo | dependencies, libraries it's just all stupid |
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| 22:27.40 | maxo | I tried installing kde 3.1 with all dependencies, it didn't work properly (the desktop was missing) I then installed some other packages and ignored dependencies and it worked fine but it's still all stupid |
| 22:28.10 | formi | maxo, done properly you can achieve it without much problem |
| 22:28.15 | Leeds | which is why I do it myself - I *trust* myself to get that kind of stuff right - I don't trust anyone else except my collegues and Pat |
| 22:28.53 | formi | Leeds: don't provide old "ideas about unreliable rpm" |
| 22:29.08 | formi | maxo: do you know how to use urpmi ? |
| 22:29.17 | maxo | formi: yes |
| 22:29.25 | formi | did you try it? |
| 22:30.13 | maxo | formi: i use it all the time i've installed freetype2 but i haven't rebooted X maybe that's why, and now i'm trying something called 'fontconfig' |
| 22:30.32 | Leeds | formi: I don't have much respect for RPM as a format... and I don't have much respect for the packaging from the distributions which use it... and I don't have a huge amount of respect for users who try the old "I can't install that - it's not available as an RPM yet" crap |
| 22:31.56 | formi | Leeds: have you considered you might have a "VERY OUTDATED OPINION" |
| 22:32.25 | Leeds | formi: not outdated - just elitist |
| 22:32.38 | formi | i manage without any major trouble to upgrade from 7.2 to 9.0 by hand |
| 22:32.57 | formi | bit by bit whenever i fancied |
| 22:33.50 | formi | im almost completely happy with mdk |
| 22:34.54 | Leeds | and? you have your way, I have mine... I'm just saying that RPM isn't very good, technically, and I think it's dumb to limit yourself to stuff available in RPM for your distro when there's so much more out there |
| 22:37.02 | formi | and? you stated your opinion, I stated mine |
| 22:37.31 | formi | oh yeah so much, like *bsd ports systems |
| 22:37.50 | formi | see we scared him with all that!!! |
| 22:38.01 | Huhn | geeks ;) |
| 22:38.10 | Leeds | Huhn: you called? :-) |
| 22:38.18 | Huhn | hi Leeds ;) |
| 22:38.35 | formi | she might be looking for somebody, who could be escapes me! |
| 22:39.41 | formi | you might see that maybe you are limiting your "willingness to accept knew information" |
| 22:39.57 | formi | s/knew/new |
| 22:40.02 | Leeds | why? |
| 22:40.35 | formi | we might call it, windows, slackware, debian, *BSD syndrome |
| 22:40.55 | Leeds | what new information am I closing myself to? |
| 22:41.11 | formi | Leeds: i really don't have time for a long exposition, but i'll try to resume |
| 22:42.25 | formi | when people start using a distro for long periods of time, and they are quite happy with it, it seems they become a bit more resistant to update their ideas about others |
| 22:42.49 | formi | it is happening to me, I am starting to LOVE the bsds |
| 22:42.55 | formi | and hating solaris |
| 22:43.06 | Leeds | no, no... |
| 22:43.12 | Leeds | be *specific* about what I'm closed to |
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| 22:43.20 | denivri | blissful |
| 22:43.26 | formi | when was the last time you installed and updated mdk? |
| 22:43.27 | denivri | sitting on sofa, wireless card, vnc |
| 22:43.43 | Leeds | I've never used mandrake |
| 22:43.47 | formi | denivri: same here, no vnc |
| 22:43.52 | dankolb | wb denivri |
| 22:44.17 | formi | Leeds: surely you have much spare disk space, be a "masoquist" for once and install it |
| 22:44.43 | formi | just to experience it, |
| 22:44.45 | Leeds | no, I don't have much disk space, and I don't feel that installing random distros is fun... |
| 22:45.09 | Leeds | I use SuSE, RedHat, Solaris and Sun Linux at work, and Slackware at home |
| 22:45.54 | formi | obviously if you speak of the rpm system by red rat, it is CRAP |
| 22:46.46 | Leeds | or SuSE |
| 22:46.53 | formi | it is light years behind mdks one, which nowadays is lagging a bit behing apt-get and family |
| 22:47.28 | formi | I can't talk about suse, i never liked it, mostly yast, which is a pita like linuxconf |
| 22:47.29 | Leeds | anyway - I don't care if it's Slackware tgz, Solaris pkgadd, Debian deb or Mandrake/RedHat/SuSE RPM - limiting yourself to a packaging system is dumb |
| 22:48.35 | Leeds | and I speak as someone who has worked on OS install, the internals of a packaging system, and a layered 'free software' product for Solaris... |
| 22:49.09 | formi | i must admit i lack much need for different package systems for the distros i use |
| 22:50.05 | formi | i don't know much about solaris, |
| 22:50.38 | formi | how much do you know about the ports system? |
| 22:50.42 | Leeds | oh, and I've spent a little time in FreeBSD recently, and obviously a lot of time in UnixWare, although not much recently |
| 22:50.57 | Leeds | I used the ports system a little, but gave up when it couldn't build vim |
| 22:51.06 | formi | hehe |
| 22:51.23 | formi | what did you try? |
| 22:51.25 | Leeds | vim is a nice easy package to build... I know this... but ports couldn't handle it |
| 22:51.50 | eye69 | It wasn't nice to build when I had installed Gentoo. |
| 22:52.08 | formi | i did install it from ports, i don't have the machine i did it on any more |
| 22:52.36 | eye69 | I had defined that I would like GTK/Gnome support, and so when I ran 'emerge vim' it went on to install X, GTK, Gnome and vim. |
| 22:53.10 | Leeds | ah well, that's just another twisted packaging system... |
| 22:53.33 | Leeds | I build it without GNOME - but it's easy to build with GTK |
| 22:54.00 | eye69 | Not that fun when it takes hours and hours on end to get the damn thing built. |
| 22:54.10 | Leeds | and there is a bunch of work going on on GTK2 support (I just happened to see a message about it :-) |
| 22:54.29 | eye69 | Life can't be fun for Gentoo users when a new release of X, GCC, libc or stuff like that comes out. |
| 22:54.30 | formi | i compiled/installed gnome2 in freebsd, which was running 1.4, with 3 commands |
| 22:54.42 | formi | it tooks about 16 hours |
| 22:55.00 | Leeds | assuming you've got X installed, vim will take about 10-15 minutes (to build)... add a similar amount if you need GTK too |
| 22:55.33 | formi | pkg_delete -r gnome ; cd /usr/ports/x11/gnome2; make install |
| 22:55.50 | formi | not a single problem |
| 22:55.52 | Leeds | I bet it would take me less time... more effort, but less time |
| 22:56.30 | formi | slow machine, /usr/ports on a nfs share, wireless nick in the middle, dial-up |
| 22:56.49 | Leeds | either way - the point is that you would have had to wait for support before installing - I'd have done it the day of release from the developers... and if there'd been any problem, we'd both have been in the same position |
| 22:57.11 | Leeds | but I'd have more idea what was going on, more *control* over what was going on, and therefore more chance of fixing it |
| 22:57.46 | formi | i have never had a problem with ports, and i have messed up with it a lot |
| 22:58.25 | Leeds | well, I had a problem on the 3rd package or so... |
| 22:59.08 | formi | probably freebsd didn't like you |
| 22:59.19 | formi | what version was it? |
| 22:59.41 | Leeds | 4.7 |
| 22:59.48 | Leeds | stable... |
| 23:00.06 | formi | that is what i use |
| 23:00.33 | formi | on monday morning i have to finish with the office move |
| 23:00.52 | formi | so probably on sunday night i'll initiate a make world |
| 23:01.57 | formi | brb |
| 23:14.48 | formi | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:14.52 | formi | good night |
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| 23:56.58 | HuhnTUX | nn, see you in a week |
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