| 00:00.22 | Jenson | new2unix: I set my mobile alarm to wake me up for thr F1 grand prix once....and left the fscker on silent....luckily I didnt miss the beginiing of the race |
| 00:01.10 | formi | dpash |
| 00:01.26 | formi | http://alumni.ox.compsoc.net/~agk/photos/Expos/Linux_Expo_London_2002/full/C0862.jpg |
| 00:01.31 | cupis | formi: he's gone |
| 00:01.50 | formi | ups didn't realise |
| 00:02.25 | dpash | bah |
| 00:03.03 | dpash | hmm thought I'd seen murble somewhere before |
| 00:03.13 | dpash | which stand was that? |
| 00:03.19 | formi | lonix |
| 00:03.36 | cupis | opposite :) |
| 00:03.43 | formi | we had a lot of fun |
| 00:03.52 | Jenson | bah dpash go to sleep! |
| 00:03.58 | formi | nicking chairs and tables from the gnome and kde stands |
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| 00:04.09 | dpash | http://alumni.ox.compsoc.net/~agk/photos/Expos/Linux_Expo_London_2002/full/C0867.jpg |
| 00:04.24 | dpash | looking like I need a haircut and to loose about 2 stone |
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| 00:05.12 | formi | I do remenber you |
| 00:05.14 | omphe | you wanna be careful with primates in your pants dpash. |
| 00:05.28 | dpash | omphe: I said I wasn;t pjdowner |
| 00:05.33 | dpash | look behind him |
| 00:05.35 | murble | hello |
| 00:05.45 | formi | once sec, you the one with the debian shirt |
| 00:05.50 | omphe | who the fsck is pjdowner? |
| 00:05.52 | dpash | formi: yes |
| 00:05.59 | dpash | omphe: the gnome bloke |
| 00:06.06 | omphe | pjdowner=monkeyboy. gotit |
| 00:06.10 | cupis | left to right in 867.jpg: pjdowner, dpash, cupis |
| 00:06.17 | cupis | well, half of cupis |
| 00:06.29 | formi | i think you where the guy who lend me the monitor |
| 00:06.58 | dpash | cupis: more of cu than cupis |
| 00:07.04 | Jenson | oooooh lots of geekguys |
| 00:07.17 | cupis | dpash: quite |
| 00:07.18 | dpash | formi: possibly. I can;t recall |
| 00:07.19 | formi | appart from nicking chairs and tables, I got a monitor from the debian stand |
| 00:07.31 | dpash | formi: I wasn;t on the debian stand |
| 00:07.35 | dpash | so maybe it wasn;t |
| 00:08.01 | formi | your face does look familiar |
| 00:08.22 | omphe | right all, I'm off to bed. G'night. |
| 00:08.48 | formi | murble: the guy who started the lonix alcholics anonymous |
| 00:10.28 | dpash | now to actually do it |
| 00:10.41 | formi | you could join davilion and start a club |
| 00:10.44 | murble | how much does your head weigh? |
| 00:10.57 | formi | mine not much |
| 00:11.12 | dpash | murble: too much |
| 00:12.15 | dpash | wrt DJB: The one issue with the man himself being that he's a weapons-grade |
| 00:12.16 | dpash | arse. |
| 00:12.21 | dpash | LOL |
| 00:13.32 | Leeds | no comment apart from the fact that qmail is *weird* |
| 00:14.14 | Leeds | this might lock my machine up... |
| 00:16.31 | murble | Leeds: sun sent me solaris and intel binaries of solaris 7 |
| 00:16.57 | dpash | argh I was going to bed at 11:00 |
| 00:17.34 | dpash | murble: could you not have got a copy of 8 or 9? |
| 00:17.43 | dpash | anyway night |
| 00:18.46 | murble | dpahs: it was sent to me free. |
| 00:26.13 | new2unix | anybody bringing a copy of Solaris for intel to the installfest on Saturday? |
| 00:29.24 | formi | new2unix: highury is bringing one for sparc |
| 00:29.52 | Jenson | I think Dan wanted to do Solaris on laptops of some description |
| 00:30.02 | formi | uh |
| 00:30.10 | formi | that'll be fun |
| 00:30.24 | Jenson | I think he wants to torment me iwht it |
| 00:30.42 | new2unix | solaris for spac is no good to me. |
| 00:30.48 | new2unix | sparc |
| 00:30.53 | Jenson | Well, time for bed |
| 00:30.55 | Jenson | Night guys! |
| 00:30.58 | eye69 | new2unix: I've got a copy of solaris 8 |
| 00:32.05 | new2unix | cool. you at the install fest on SAt? |
| 00:39.51 | eye69 | new2unix: Yup |
| 00:39.58 | eye69 | new2unix: Guess I should bring? |
| 00:40.39 | formi | http://www.xs4all.nl/~marcone/bsdversuslinux.html |
| 00:40.43 | formi | nice one |
| 00:43.24 | murble | blah. |
| 00:44.07 | new2unix | :D |
| 00:48.20 | Huhn | 8657C written -- grmbl |
| 00:49.21 | murble | how many words? |
| 00:49.27 | Huhn | dunno |
| 00:49.56 | Huhn | have to finish one last paragraph |
| 00:50.12 | Huhn | and have to burn 3 more CDs for Dan |
| 00:58.08 | murble | Dan? |
| 00:58.15 | eye69 | Is there any "generic" place where one can rent a TV? |
| 00:58.21 | eye69 | Any chain? |
| 00:58.41 | murble | eye69: i think TVs are generally cheaper to just buy. |
| 00:58.59 | murble | unless you want an express sive tv and pay more than it is worth over a not very long time? |
| 00:59.01 | eye69 | murble: Not for => 32" widescreen |
| 00:59.07 | formi | second hand one can be had for pinuts |
| 00:59.28 | eye69 | I have a tv card one 17" that works just fine. |
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| 01:01.02 | snift | # |
| 01:01.27 | eye69 | # to you too |
| 01:01.36 | snift | sorry about that |
| 01:14.51 | Huhn | murble: I'm copying my Muppet Show CDs |
| 01:15.47 | murble | oh well nign nigh, might see people at weekend |
| 01:15.55 | murble | s/nign/night/g |
| 01:16.12 | formi | night murble |
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| 01:17.18 | snift | nigh |
| 01:17.44 | snift | t\0 |
| 01:18.37 | Huhn | nn murble. see you Saturday ;) |
| 01:20.11 | murble | Huhn: posibly, i don't have a very good record for waking uyp in time of gllug. |
| 01:21.27 | Huhn | hey, come on, try it! well, at least to the pub.. |
| 01:21.48 | murble | Huhn: I'm not too keen on the greenman either. |
| 01:21.53 | murble | and it is my turn to buy food. |
| 01:22.36 | Huhn | I will be very sad if I don't see you |
| 01:22.52 | Huhn | I'm coming over all the way from Cologne :) |
| 01:23.05 | murble | yeah, but you'll see other much nicer people. |
| 01:23.20 | eye69 | Negative Bill? |
| 01:23.28 | murble | a credit. |
| 01:24.31 | Huhn | yeah, LaTeX article done ;)) |
| 01:25.32 | murble | in \LaTeX ? |
| 01:26.00 | Huhn | no, HTML ;) |
| 01:26.30 | murble | how ironic. |
| 01:27.09 | Huhn | murble: are you considering Doolin for Easter? |
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| 01:28.42 | murble | Huhn: probably if i don't have a job then i'll go, and spend more than the weekend in Ireland, travelling about. |
| 01:29.13 | Huhn | murble: sounds like a nice idea.. unfortunately Ryanair changed the routes.. Hahn is not going to Shannon anymore |
| 01:29.20 | Huhn | and Kerry might be a bit expensive |
| 01:29.30 | Huhn | ah, well, if I have the money I can hardly resist ;) |
| 01:29.31 | murble | Huhn: but you could get to chareloi or Stansted. |
| 01:29.47 | Huhn | kind of risky, and maybe the bus is cheaper.. |
| 01:29.58 | Huhn | I have to book a ticket for June anyway.. |
| 01:29.59 | murble | Huhn: I'm also tempted to travel to sweden and see some poeple in vercra(sp?!!sdfasdf) |
| 01:30.16 | Huhn | Easter is normally family-time here.. |
| 01:30.25 | murble | unforutnly DFDS are taking the piss with their prices |
| 01:31.00 | murble | and trains in .se are very expensive. |
| 01:31.20 | Huhn | yep |
| 01:32.30 | Huhn | ok, time to get organised |
| 01:32.38 | HuhnLondon | :) |
| 01:32.46 | HuhnLondon | see you (hopefully) on Saturday |
| 01:33.11 | murble | very opptimistic sig. |
| 01:33.13 | murble | s/sig/nick/ |
| 01:33.18 | HuhnLondon | yes ;) |
| 01:33.26 | murble | nn |
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| 01:49.41 | Axel | gn8 |
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| 07:36.44 | Tarragon | Morning |
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| 07:45.21 | zachary | good morning |
| 08:53.07 | dank_work | Morning |
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| 09:48.26 | dpash | moin |
| 09:51.09 | dank_work | lo |
| 09:54.52 | murble | arguel. |
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| 10:06.53 | VengaPiR8 | hey :) |
| 10:07.00 | dank_work | hi |
| 10:07.28 | VengaPiR8 | im not in london but was wondering if I could ask a question plz ? |
| 10:07.49 | dank_work | Only if you travel to London, go into an Internet Cafe, and ask then ;-) |
| 10:07.51 | Tarragon | Always |
| 10:07.54 | VengaPiR8 | lol |
| 10:07.55 | dank_work | Sure - what's your question |
| 10:07.56 | VengaPiR8 | thx |
| 10:08.27 | VengaPiR8 | Im having big problems with getting my SpeedTouch USB to run properly under RH7.3 :( |
| 10:09.01 | VengaPiR8 | anyone had exp with it? |
| 10:09.18 | dank_work | Nope. I use a proper Ethernet ADSL modem |
| 10:09.30 | VengaPiR8 | lol |
| 10:09.36 | VengaPiR8 | i used to but moved home |
| 10:09.42 | Tarragon | No but there is a guide for it at http://forums.devshed.com/archive/33/2002/08/2/39216 |
| 10:09.46 | VengaPiR8 | i dont like these usb things |
| 10:10.07 | VengaPiR8 | ive tried 3 different ways to install it and many faqs etc |
| 10:10.14 | VengaPiR8 | Tarragon: thx |
| 10:11.03 | VengaPiR8 | thats one of the methods i used :( |
| 10:11.04 | VengaPiR8 | lol |
| 10:11.42 | VengaPiR8 | ill try using pppoe2 |
| 10:11.45 | VengaPiR8 | ty |
| 10:13.44 | dank_work | Surely you'd be wanting PPPoATM? |
| 10:13.47 | dpash | VengaPiR8: they are significantly better |
| 10:14.09 | dpash | dank_work: there was a discussion about this the other day |
| 10:14.31 | dpash | someone was saying that BT are making some exchanges work with pppoe |
| 10:14.37 | dpash | I don't know if that is true |
| 10:14.40 | dank_work | At least thinking about it |
| 10:14.48 | dpash | but I would try pppoa first |
| 10:30.33 | zachary | VengaPiR8: I'm using the Speedtouch modem with smoothwall. I personally think it is best to use this modem on a dedicated firewall and not on a workstation. I believe it has something to do with the taxing of the processor with atm encapselation(sp). |
| 10:30.45 | dank_work | encapsulation |
| 10:30.56 | zachary | thanks dan. |
| 10:31.22 | dank_work | np :) |
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| 10:46.00 | dank_work | hi Steev |
| 10:46.11 | dank_work | And Hi Axel |
| 10:46.30 | Steev | moin |
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| 10:55.08 | dank_work | Hi Paul |
| 10:58.42 | nasrat | hi |
| 10:59.20 | dank_work | How's it going? |
| 11:00.50 | nasrat | ok one of my servers just hit oom, and the kernel started killing off processes :) |
| 11:01.56 | dank_work | oops |
| 11:02.51 | nasrat | yeah well sorted now |
| 11:06.59 | murble | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:07.25 | nasrat | murble: pretty much, it killed of my developers java app first though |
| 11:08.46 | nasrat | murble: and someone has just proposed a patch for 2.5 allowing you to use ulimit to protect things from the oom killer |
| 11:37.53 | resuDaed | afternoon all |
| 11:37.58 | resuDaed | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:38.13 | resuDaed | feels like the damn afternoon anyway |
| 11:38.39 | zachary | morning resuDaed |
| 11:39.58 | *** part/#gllug StuartC_ (~stuart@orac.homedns.org) |
| 11:47.39 | resuDaed | is storing mail in ~/Mail/ a kmail specfic thing, or is that a standard place to *save* emails? |
| 11:48.13 | stephen | resuDaed: ~/mail or ~/Mail are pretty standard |
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| 11:56.08 | dank_work | Hi Leeds |
| 11:56.17 | dank_work | Hi resuDaed |
| 12:03.25 | Leeds | morning |
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| 12:20.18 | murble | good afteroon |
| 12:20.41 | stephen | good afternoon murble |
| 12:32.18 | zachary | bbl, tonight. |
| 12:32.20 | resuDaed | hi dank_work |
| 12:33.57 | resuDaed | I was just on the phone to someone discussing an email, and I have to ring back in 5 mins so that he can actually receive the email :( |
| 12:34.45 | dank_work | heh |
| 13:06.20 | dank_work | resuDaed: You will be at the Installfest tomorrow, won't you? |
| 13:13.31 | dpash | resuDaed: I still use fetchmail, but not a modem |
| 13:44.15 | resuDaed | dank_work : I will |
| 13:44.30 | dank_work | Good :) |
| 13:44.34 | resuDaed | why? |
| 13:44.40 | dank_work | You wanted the router? |
| 13:45.06 | resuDaed | ah yes, and I was going to give you that old scsi disk I have kicking around (if you still want it) |
| 13:45.16 | dank_work | I do, thanks :) |
| 13:45.35 | resuDaed | sorry, I've just been helping my little sister with gcse maths revision, so I half asleep |
| 13:45.44 | dank_work | :-) |
| 13:46.21 | resuDaed | trying to explain to someone basic concepts that to you are instinct in an understandable fashion is not easy |
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| 13:50.02 | davilion | hello |
| 13:50.12 | davilion | resuDaed: you around? |
| 13:50.55 | dank_work | hey dave |
| 13:50.57 | davilion | hi dan |
| 13:51.08 | davilion | and possibly oxlug too |
| 13:51.09 | dank_work | Woohoo! :) |
| 13:51.24 | dank_work | You're not around tonight, then, are you? |
| 13:51.39 | dank_work | (passing by Wycombe) |
| 13:53.11 | nasrat | dank_work: Did you have a 8086/286 box IIRC? |
| 13:53.12 | davilion | no im in york at present |
| 13:53.20 | dank_work | nasrat: Yeah |
| 13:53.30 | davilion | anything i should bring with me tommorow, going to bing lapdog and some usb disks etc. |
| 13:54.03 | dank_work | Asbestos pants? |
| 13:54.05 | nasrat | dank_work: what sort of size |
| 13:54.16 | davilion | dank_work: asbestos pants? |
| 13:54.18 | dank_work | Not too big |
| 13:54.29 | dank_work | davilion: Yeah. Latest fashion accessory |
| 13:54.44 | dank_work | Desktop size. Smaller than IBM AT |
| 13:55.20 | nasrat | dank_work: hmm, interested in selling/trading at some point |
| 13:55.31 | dank_work | Yeah |
| 13:56.16 | nasrat | dank_work: cool, not for a bit as need to clear out some stuff :) |
| 13:56.31 | dank_work | That's okay. I wasn't going to chuck them |
| 13:56.36 | dank_work | (unless it turns out they don't work) |
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| 14:03.33 | davilion_ | strange.... |
| 14:03.44 | dank_work | Yeah.. |
| 14:04.34 | davilion_ | very strange.... |
| 14:04.43 | davilion_ | its as if the machine i logged into had crashed, only it hasnt |
| 14:04.57 | davilion_ | i was at the console and i swtiched consoles and igot a log in prompt then couldnt switch back |
| 14:05.04 | davilion_ | no keyboard output on the screen |
| 14:05.09 | davilion_ | but i can log into it |
| 14:05.13 | davilion_ | fromrsh etc |
| 14:05.29 | dank_work | Hmm. |
| 14:06.35 | resuDaed | davilion_ : I am around now, why? |
| 14:07.32 | davilion_ | dank_work: so why th asbestos? |
| 14:07.47 | davilion_ | resuDaed: im going to take some omre usic collectionj with me if you want to leech any of it |
| 14:07.49 | dank_work | Latest fashion accessory :) |
| 14:08.00 | resuDaed | tomorrow? |
| 14:08.15 | davilion_ | resuDaed: yeah |
| 14:08.26 | resuDaed | I have no portable storage |
| 14:09.21 | resuDaed | 2/3 cdrs ... 'bout it |
| 14:09.30 | davilion_ | ahh your scrweed then |
| 14:09.41 | davilion_ | what you want is a nice big disk array n wheels |
| 14:10.04 | dank_work | Could I take the disks out, stick someone in there, and drop it into the Thames? |
| 14:10.23 | davilion_ | depends who it is? |
| 14:10.44 | davilion_ | you would have to chope them up first to make them fit in the caddies but that could be fun |
| 14:12.03 | davilion_ | although it would be a criminal waste of computer equipmen |
| 14:21.59 | resuDaed | dank_work : who are you thinking? |
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| 14:27.53 | resuDaed | wb davilion |
| 14:28.27 | dank_work | wb |
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| 14:45.19 | jason_ukfsn | afternoon all |
| 14:45.51 | resuDaed | afternoon jason_ukfsn |
| 14:50.19 | Leeds | any mysql experts here? |
| 14:50.33 | eye69 | Not expert, but I get around. |
| 14:50.57 | Leeds | is it true to say "MySLQ 3 does *NOT* have transaction support. You need Mysql 4."? |
| 14:51.51 | eye69 | Not really. It depends on what table type you use. |
| 14:52.11 | resuDaed | the email is to Mike Broadbelt |
| 14:52.22 | resuDaed | that dogy tab key again |
| 14:52.34 | Leeds | innodb has transactions, right? |
| 14:52.48 | eye69 | Yup. |
| 14:53.18 | dank_work | :) |
| 14:54.17 | Leeds | arguing with someone internally over it - he wants us to ship mysql 4 (or postgres) so we can say we have a db with transaction support... I'm saying that we already have one :-) |
| 14:54.27 | eye69 | Leeds: Although if you plan on using the innodb form of "volume management", do know that it does not support shrinking an expanded array. |
| 14:55.09 | Leeds | I don't know... don't really care :-) |
| 14:55.41 | eye69 | Ok. :) |
| 14:55.47 | Leeds | am I right in saying that transaction support is just the ability to rollback an update or commit it? |
| 14:56.22 | eye69 | Yeah. If something goes wrong you tell the database that whatever you did didn't happen. |
| 14:56.50 | Leeds | cool |
| 14:56.58 | Leeds | thanks... |
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| 15:00.22 | dank_work | Hi Jenson |
| 15:01.44 | Jenson | heya |
| 15:13.48 | resuDaed | hey Jenson |
| 15:13.53 | Jenson | hey resuDaed |
| 15:14.19 | Jenson | I really dont think I CBA to go |
| 15:14.22 | Jenson | so fucking shit |
| 15:14.49 | Leeds | no? |
| 15:15.01 | Jenson | No, my mate cant go |
| 15:15.03 | resuDaed | why not Jenson ? |
| 15:15.14 | Jenson | and my dad has just decided to announce we have to be home by 17:45 |
| 15:15.25 | resuDaed | are we not your mates? |
| 15:15.27 | Jenson | And I'm in a nice self harming mood nopw |
| 15:15.50 | resuDaed | ok, explain to him that it wont finish till around then |
| 15:16.02 | Jenson | He's gotta be home |
| 15:16.08 | Jenson | they've booked fucking lawn bowls |
| 15:16.16 | resuDaed | is he taking you? |
| 15:16.27 | Jenson | I aint allowed to go by myself |
| 15:16.43 | resuDaed | and you are how old now? |
| 15:17.05 | Jenson | 18 |
| 15:17.59 | resuDaed | IIRC that is the age at which you are of independance from you parents (also the age where they will tr and kick you out when you decalre your independance) |
| 15:18.15 | resuDaed | English I speak |
| 15:18.39 | dank_work | Aww.....come along to the Installfest, babe. |
| 15:18.46 | Jenson | It's all pathetic |
| 15:18.48 | Jenson | I give up |
| 15:18.50 | resuDaed | If force in Yoda so strong it is, then why speak properly can he not |
| 15:18.57 | Jenson | I'm fed up with it |
| 15:19.05 | dank_work | What's so pathetic? |
| 15:19.47 | Jenson | Life |
| 15:20.08 | dank_work | Aye. But what can you do. |
| 15:20.11 | dank_work | Have a chocolate. |
| 15:20.35 | Jenson | I dont want chocolate |
| 15:20.38 | Jenson | I'm getting fat |
| 15:20.43 | dank_work | No you're not. |
| 15:20.59 | Jenson | I am, fucking trousers getting tight |
| 15:21.06 | Jenson | I gotta lose some weight again |
| 15:21.37 | dank_work | :) |
| 15:21.45 | resuDaed | a firend of mine told me she was fat the other day, she weights just under 8st and when I hug her I think she's going to snap |
| 15:21.59 | Jenson | I'm 8st 2 |
| 15:22.02 | Tarragon | Cool video resuDaed |
| 15:22.08 | resuDaed | she isn't annorexic though, just skinny |
| 15:22.18 | dank_work | resuDaed: I don't feel Jenson's going to snap when I hug her |
| 15:22.21 | Jenson | Just a fat pig |
| 15:22.24 | dank_work | No you're not |
| 15:22.43 | resuDaed | Tarragon : I thought so too, I just didn't realise sharing it with you all would lead to so much confusion (/me blames skugg) |
| 15:23.16 | Tarragon | Didn't confuse me. I just ran with it. - trusted source! |
| 15:23.23 | Jenson | :) |
| 15:23.32 | Jenson | Anyway I must go |
| 15:23.47 | resuDaed | laters Jenson, hopefully see you tomorrow |
| 15:24.02 | Jenson | see ya |
| 15:36.57 | resuDaed | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:38.11 | Leeds | um, yeah |
| 15:46.13 | dpash | most of the are like 500,000+ |
| 15:46.20 | dpash | I've seen a 8012 |
| 15:48.21 | dpash | ah there was 440 |
| 15:51.45 | Leeds | 2 :-) |
| 15:52.09 | Leeds | I'm 1327 and I still post |
| 16:01.12 | Leeds | that means I must have a bigger penis that you |
| 16:02.11 | dank_work | FIST PROST! |
| 16:02.17 | dpash | Leeds: clearly |
| 16:02.31 | dpash | Leeds: I'm just shocked at how popular /. is these days |
| 16:02.39 | dpash | despite all the crap they post |
| 16:03.09 | dank_work | ibot lart dpash |
| 16:03.14 | dank_work | That is not work-friendly |
| 16:03.35 | dpash | is it any worse than a petrified Natille Portman? |
| 16:04.01 | Leeds | I'm upset by the complete lack of any pride in their work, and by the fact that lwn is still in financial trouble, considering the serious differences in quality... but I'd guess that slashdot (and freshmeat, sourceforge and so on) aren't going to be around *too* much longer in their current forms anyway... |
| 16:04.15 | Leeds | pouring hot grits down my pants! |
| 16:04.52 | dpash | Leeds: I'm currently on a monthly jobbie, but I may go for the more expensive option, cos I do like lwn.net |
| 16:05.24 | dank_work | dpash: Yeah, because I haven't seen any pictures of a naked and petrified Natalie Portman |
| 16:05.36 | dpash | I wish they would bring back their history page |
| 16:05.43 | Leeds | I donated to lwn when they first announced they were having problems, so they gave me a free 1-year sub... I've been waiting for the ability to upgrade it, since I considered the donation payment for past stuff, not future stuff |
| 16:05.46 | Leeds | dpash: me too |
| 16:05.56 | dpash | dank_work: you must be looking in all the wrong places |
| 16:06.10 | dank_work | Why? Do you have a picture? |
| 16:06.33 | dpash | dank_work: why? are you interested? |
| 16:06.55 | Leeds | um... |
| 16:07.02 | Leeds | she's *my* perfect woman... |
| 16:07.09 | dank_work | :) |
| 16:07.15 | dpash | Leeds: did you read the kernel page this week? "wether is a castrated goat" |
| 16:07.36 | dpash | Leeds: why, because she is unobtainable |
| 16:07.37 | Leeds | stunning, intelligent, Israeli (and willing to stand up and say that in public) |
| 16:08.16 | dank_work | ...and you probably wouldn't mind saying on /. that you have a naked Natalie Portman with you? |
| 16:08.35 | Leeds | dpash: goat! |
| 16:13.23 | resuDaed | neither do I really |
| 16:13.37 | murble | good evening? |
| 16:13.45 | resuDaed | evening murble |
| 16:13.52 | dank_work | No. Good afternoon. |
| 16:13.53 | Leeds | afternoon... |
| 16:13.56 | dank_work | Unless you're in Moscow. |
| 16:14.08 | murble | hmm student groan cheque sent off... |
| 16:17.31 | resuDaed | what do I need to know to bluff Novell expereicne? |
| 16:17.42 | dank_work | What Novell stands for. |
| 16:17.59 | resuDaed | ?? |
| 16:18.33 | nasrat | umm what version of netware? |
| 16:18.47 | resuDaed | All I kno is Novell/NT4 |
| 16:19.02 | resuDaed | and I need to be able to say I know what I am doing |
| 16:19.28 | resuDaed | NT4 I know, just not with Novell, only ever been and end-user |
| 16:19.35 | resuDaed | :( |
| 16:19.37 | nasrat | ok basically novell have a directory system (NDS) which you control via nwadmin |
| 16:19.54 | nasrat | It's an X.500 implementation IIRC. |
| 16:20.14 | nasrat | the server os runs on top of dos and has a gui (XFree86) |
| 16:20.26 | resuDaed | ok, with it so far |
| 16:24.17 | murble | nasrat: or whatever horrible java monstroacy they have now, althoug htey do now have a working rconsolej on linux finally. |
| 16:25.50 | dank_work | nasrat: It replaces DOS after using DOS as a boot loader |
| 16:25.56 | dank_work | (remove dos) |
| 16:27.50 | Leeds | I thought netware was an OS in its own right? |
| 16:29.45 | dank_work | It is |
| 16:29.49 | dank_work | But needs DOS to boot it |
| 16:29.55 | dank_work | (didn't use to) |
| 16:30.07 | nasrat | dank_work: umm netware 3.12 certainly did |
| 16:30.38 | jason_ukfsn | Netware is not an OS it is a NOS which is slightly different. |
| 16:30.41 | dank_work | Netware 2 didn't |
| 16:30.49 | nasrat | murble: they have java version of Xfree86 IIRC |
| 16:30.51 | dank_work | (yes, I'm sad enough to have a copy installed) |
| 16:30.54 | jason_ukfsn | It still requires an OS level under it to handle hw matters. |
| 16:31.28 | resuDaed | what is the term for a BNC based network, 10base2? |
| 16:31.29 | nasrat | I supported it at uni |
| 16:31.32 | dank_work | Yes |
| 16:31.42 | resuDaed | dank_work : was that yes to me? |
| 16:31.47 | dank_work | Yes |
| 16:31.50 | resuDaed | thanks :) |
| 16:31.51 | jason_ukfsn | 10Base2 or ThinNet |
| 16:32.45 | jason_ukfsn | Often 10base2 networks are often called "what bastard pulled the f*cking cable again?!" |
| 16:32.58 | dank_work | Aye. Tell me about it :( |
| 16:33.29 | resuDaed | what network protocol does Novell/Netware use? |
| 16:33.34 | nasrat | jason_ukfsn: or who put a chair on it |
| 16:33.35 | resuDaed | (IPX/SPX)? |
| 16:33.37 | dank_work | Yes |
| 16:33.40 | nasrat | resuDaed: yes and ip now |
| 16:33.43 | dank_work | And more recently TCP/IP too |
| 16:33.50 | resuDaed | crash course on IPX/SPX anyone? |
| 16:34.00 | jason_ukfsn | Netware currently supports IP however it's native protocol is IPX/SPX which can be a right bitch in anything other than a small LAN |
| 16:34.00 | dank_work | Netware 4 brought in support for IP |
| 16:34.04 | nasrat | resuDaed: umm you have numbered networks |
| 16:34.30 | dank_work | And it Just Works(TM) (on a LAN) |
| 16:34.37 | resuDaed | in a similar way to subnets on TCP? |
| 16:34.41 | dank_work | No configuration like you'd have to do with IP |
| 16:34.53 | jason_ukfsn | sort of similar in concept |
| 16:35.11 | nasrat | resuDaed: more like routable netbeui |
| 16:36.05 | dank_work | nasrat: Didn't you used to work for a company that did NetWare stuff? (Micropoint?) |
| 16:36.43 | nasrat | dank_work: yeah, plus at Manchester too |
| 16:36.48 | dank_work | :) |
| 16:38.27 | nasrat | dank_work: didn't the fsck up you're college install |
| 16:39.45 | dank_work | School install. Yes. |
| 16:56.43 | nasrat | yeah I know the feeling |
| 16:57.02 | nasrat | hence slipping into using irc |
| 16:58.47 | murble | dank: are you going to gllug tomorrow? do i need to bring 3c509 if i wake up in time? |
| 16:59.00 | dank_work | I will be at Gllug, yes. |
| 16:59.08 | dank_work | somewhere around |
| 16:59.14 | dank_work | And a 3c509 (or two) would be nice :) |
| 17:01.17 | murble | oh what sort? I've found 1 so far of the required type. |
| 17:01.30 | dank_work | With BNC connector |
| 17:01.41 | resuDaed | dank_work : I have a spare 3c509 if you want |
| 17:01.45 | dank_work | Sure :) |
| 17:02.24 | resuDaed | I am not sure if it works, but comes with BNC/RJ45/Something I don't reconicg |
| 17:02.32 | dank_work | AUI |
| 17:02.42 | resuDaed | AUI? |
| 17:02.59 | resuDaed | the other connector? |
| 17:03.03 | dank_work | Yeah |
| 17:03.08 | dank_work | Attachment Unit Interface |
| 17:03.24 | jason_ukfsn | Thicknet or 10base5 |
| 17:03.46 | dank_work | Or stick transceivers onto them |
| 17:03.58 | resuDaed | anyway, I need to go and snailmail this job app, laters all |
| 17:04.02 | dpash | resuDaed: looks like a 9 pin din |
| 17:04.04 | murble | you should have ask last time i can only find the one i put asside for you now... |
| 17:04.24 | resuDaed | dpash : looks remotly like, but more pins |
| 17:04.26 | dank_work | dpash: 15-pin D-type |
| 17:04.31 | dank_work | Not DIN |
| 17:04.34 | dpash | dank_work: yes that too |
| 17:04.36 | dank_work | bye resuDaed |
| 17:04.40 | dank_work | good luck |
| 17:04.45 | dank_work | murble: That's fine. |
| 17:04.49 | dank_work | One will do :) |
| 17:07.06 | snift | Does anyone want some ACARD scsi controlers? |
| 17:07.49 | dank_work | Sure |
| 17:08.00 | dank_work | Are they bootable? |
| 17:08.08 | snift | Yep |
| 17:08.08 | dank_work | And are they well supported by various OSes? |
| 17:08.18 | dank_work | And do they have 68-pin SCA SCSI connectors? |
| 17:08.22 | snift | They aork fine under 2.4.20 |
| 17:08.31 | snift | yep |
| 17:08.37 | dank_work | Woot |
| 17:08.43 | dank_work | Selling them, or giving them? |
| 17:08.59 | snift | giving them |
| 17:09.07 | dank_work | Cool. |
| 17:09.11 | dank_work | Can I bag one, please? |
| 17:09.54 | snift | Yep. Are you around tomorrow? |
| 17:10.05 | dank_work | I'll be at the Installfest, yes |
| 17:10.07 | murble | dank: i've got also an aui +rj45 3c509.. |
| 17:10.10 | murble | that ai can find now. |
| 17:10.19 | eye69 | snift: I'd gladly take one. |
| 17:10.22 | dank_work | Less bothered about that, but thanks anyway, murble |
| 17:10.27 | eye69 | snift: Is there anything you need? |
| 17:10.47 | snift | Well I will bring a few with me and you can decide if there any use. |
| 17:11.53 | snift | No. MD decided that we are only going to use adaptec cards from now on. So have quite a few. He said I could have them but I only need two. |
| 17:13.20 | dank_work | How will I recognise you? |
| 17:15.59 | dank_work | Like solaris |
| 17:17.50 | eye69 | dank_work: Seems to yield a few results on Google |
| 17:18.06 | dank_work | cool |
| 17:19.01 | Leeds | huh, what, someone talking about me? :-) |
| 17:19.11 | dank_work | Yes. |
| 17:19.21 | dank_work | Does Sol8/x86 support the SCSI card talk about above? |
| 17:19.26 | dank_work | snift: Got any cables? |
| 17:19.34 | eye69 | dank_work: What cable do you need? |
| 17:19.46 | dank_work | 68-pin SCA thing |
| 17:19.49 | dank_work | (is it SCA?) |
| 17:19.59 | dank_work | The D-type connector with lots of small pins |
| 17:20.06 | eye69 | No, SCA is the hotswap, 80-pin connector. |
| 17:21.05 | murble | hmm i'vev got a scsi device i can't used 'cos it has one of thoese annoying ocnnectors |
| 17:21.06 | dank_work | Ah, okay |
| 17:21.14 | dank_work | These are 68-pin non-hot-swappable connectors |
| 17:21.19 | murble | the one with i thinkn 80 pins, that plugs in type thing. |
| 17:21.40 | Leeds | dunno... |
| 17:21.53 | murble | like the scsi disks in more modern servers have. |
| 17:21.53 | jason_ukfsn | I have some 68<->80 pin converters somewhere. |
| 17:21.57 | eye69 | I've actually got a Tekram U2W card lying around, with cab le. |
| 17:22.12 | murble | Well, I won't beb going anywere if the weather stays like this. |
| 17:22.24 | jason_ukfsn | you need a car ;) |
| 17:22.36 | *** join/#gllug formi (~formi@usr1625-har.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 17:22.42 | jason_ukfsn | hey formi |
| 17:24.26 | dank_work | hi formi |
| 17:25.16 | formi | hello |
| 17:25.26 | eye69 | dank_work: I've got a cable with 4+1 plugs including terminator |
| 17:25.33 | formi | im banging my head against the wall |
| 17:25.35 | dank_work | Going spare? |
| 17:26.05 | eye69 | Not being used. If I could find my bloody cable-bag I might have one more. |
| 17:26.28 | formi | dank_work: do you know what's the freebsd equivalent of beep? |
| 17:26.38 | dank_work | Nope |
| 17:27.04 | dank_work | echo ^G ? |
| 17:27.31 | formi | G |
| 17:27.34 | formi | returns |
| 17:27.41 | eye69 | echo -e "\a" |
| 17:28.02 | *** join/#gllug highbury (~steve@sc-gw1.homechoice.co.uk) |
| 17:28.03 | formi | nope |
| 17:28.41 | formi | I've found many way of disabling the "console bell" but none about how to produce one |
| 17:29.22 | Leeds | ctrl-G should do it... as should echo -e \\a |
| 17:29.48 | formi | nopr |
| 17:29.55 | highbury | hi folk |
| 17:29.59 | dank_work | Hi highbury |
| 17:30.08 | dank_work | Who will be there tomorrow? |
| 17:30.27 | highbury | me |
| 17:30.30 | eye69 | Me |
| 17:30.42 | stephen | me and a mate that I'm dragging along |
| 17:30.51 | eye69 | stephen: Poor thing |
| 17:31.13 | stephen | eye69: depends what everyone does to him |
| 17:31.21 | eye69 | Horrible things |
| 17:32.08 | stephen | He does intend to install linux at some point, so I thought that the advice tomorrow ought to be right up his street |
| 17:32.10 | Leeds | painful things |
| 17:32.20 | Leeds | run far, run fast! |
| 17:32.30 | snift | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:33.45 | highbury | formi: you still want a copy of Solaris 7 Sparc version and Internal SCSI CD Drive? |
| 17:34.09 | formi | yes please |
| 17:34.21 | stephen | highbury: you know anywhere that would do copies of solaris 2? |
| 17:34.54 | formi | guys printf "\a" works |
| 17:35.06 | Leeds | stephen: what do you mean by Solaris 2? |
| 17:35.53 | stephen | 2.6 or 2.7? I really know nothing about SPARCs and was looking to install a version of solaris that wouldn't be too much for much SPARC Station 10 |
| 17:36.06 | Clyphox | Hi all |
| 17:36.19 | Leeds | right... uh, dunno, I work on Solaris 9 and 10... |
| 17:38.03 | stephen | yeah, well, 2x50Mhz processors aren't really gonna cut the mustard, and though I've installed slackware, I'm not really gonna learn much more than I could on i386 slackware |
| 17:38.36 | formi | stephen: I plan to put sol 7 on a sun 5 |
| 17:38.45 | Clyphox | stephen, have you conscidered net/openBSD? |
| 17:39.20 | stephen | I was thinking solaris for the sparc and BSD on my i386 when I get a new hard disk |
| 17:39.57 | *** join/#gllug resuDaed_ (tom@pc-80-193-187-194-en.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 17:40.22 | stephen | but yeah, BSD is certainly on my list of stuff to play around with |
| 17:40.26 | formi | Leeds: do you know if there is a setting in pine to specify if the signature should go before or after the mail body in a reply? |
| 17:41.25 | murble | formi: have you fixed it yet? |
| 17:42.02 | formi | murble: I haven't really tried, highbury has offered a copy of solaris 7, |
| 17:42.06 | nasrat | ok I'm off |
| 17:42.14 | nasrat | see ppl on Sunday |
| 17:42.23 | formi | sunday? |
| 17:42.28 | Clyphox | stephen, The BSD's are fun but Solaris is worth trying for expierience (for jobs) |
| 17:42.54 | stephen | Clyphox: yeah, that's what I was thinking |
| 17:43.47 | resuDaed_ssh | afternoon Clyphox |
| 17:44.02 | Clyphox | Hiya resuDaed |
| 17:44.30 | Clyphox | resuDaed , you going to the meeting? |
| 17:44.52 | stephen | tbh, I'm really glad that I'm not hunting for a job at the moment, I will next year thoug |
| 17:45.07 | stephen | but that's only for a work placement year |
| 17:45.48 | Leeds | formi: RTFM - signature-at-bottom isn't exactly hard to find in the configuration screen... |
| 17:45.49 | resuDaed_ssh | Clyphox : yeah. and I'm dragging Alex down |
| 17:46.01 | Clyphox | When is it? I need a favour.. |
| 17:46.15 | dank_work | Hi Clyphox |
| 17:46.18 | resuDaed_ssh | tomorrow |
| 17:46.26 | Clyphox | Hiya Dank :) |
| 17:46.56 | dank_work | It's about time to go home |
| 17:47.01 | Clyphox | resuDaed, there is a Laptop bag in my room somewhere in my room.. if you can find it give it to pdr |
| 17:47.08 | stephen | actually, I might go back to pine, mutt, although it is cool, is a bit of a PITA |
| 17:47.12 | Leeds | nearly hometime... |
| 17:47.14 | dank_work | Thanks Tom :) |
| 17:47.15 | resuDaed_ssh | empty laptop bag? |
| 17:47.28 | Leeds | got to shut everything down over the weekend because we're having power work done :-( |
| 17:47.40 | dank_work | Heh |
| 17:47.50 | dank_work | Destroys your lovely Solaris uptimes? |
| 17:48.12 | Leeds | yeah :-( |
| 17:48.17 | dank_work | Awww |
| 17:49.53 | Clyphox | hehe |
| 17:50.06 | Clyphox | I got a digital Camera last night.. |
| 17:50.12 | Leeds | cool :-) |
| 17:50.15 | Clyphox | SiPix Snap thingee.. |
| 17:50.24 | Leeds | resuDaed_ssh: buy one... |
| 17:51.01 | Clyphox | resuDaed, yeah.. he really needs one imo :) He'll know :) just say its a "thanks" from me |
| 17:51.07 | resuDaed_ssh | grrr, I can't afford one for a couple of weeks and am impatient |
| 17:51.29 | dank_work | Dig Cam? |
| 17:51.36 | Clyphox | Can't get gtkam to compile.. grr,, |
| 17:51.52 | dank_work | Hah |
| 17:52.08 | Clyphox | I bloody say ./configure --without-bonobo and everytime it tries to use bonobo |
| 17:52.16 | stephen | windows? |
| 17:52.21 | stephen | ibot lart dank_work |
| 17:52.26 | Clyphox | dank_work, thanks.. |
| 17:52.54 | resuDaed_ssh | Clyphox : can you not pick it up on mas sotrage? |
| 17:53.19 | dank_work | :) |
| 17:53.25 | dank_work | stephen: Sun monitor cable... |
| 17:53.27 | Clyphox | resuDaed, How? |
| 17:53.48 | stephen | dank_work: tomorrow my friend, tomorrow |
| 17:53.57 | dank_work | Thanks mate :) |
| 17:54.04 | dank_work | Byebye all |
| 17:54.10 | resuDaed_ssh | I am not entirly sure, but it takes a few usb thingies |
| 17:54.13 | resuDaed_ssh | :-) |
| 17:54.13 | Clyphox | Windows!! |
| 17:54.40 | stephen | bye dank_work |
| 17:54.42 | resuDaed_ssh | somehow I have managed to get it working with my camera, but cannot remember how |
| 17:54.46 | Clyphox | Cya soon Dank |
| 17:54.48 | resuDaed_ssh | laters dank_work |
| 17:54.57 | resuDaed_ssh | ibot lart Clyphox and Windows |
| 17:55.02 | resuDaed_ssh | lol |
| 17:55.20 | resuDaed_ssh | that would have worked so well for just 'Clyphox' |
| 17:55.21 | Leeds | doesn't gphoto do what you need? |
| 17:56.03 | Clyphox | Leeds, if you can explain the syntax to me in english maybe. |
| 17:56.17 | Leeds | Clyphox: what are you trying to do with it? grab photos? |
| 17:56.21 | Clyphox | da |
| 17:56.38 | Leeds | got it on front of you? |
| 17:56.51 | Clyphox | give me a min |
| 17:57.33 | Tarragon | Clyphox: Does this work with gphoto2 as a sixpix web2 camera? |
| 17:57.47 | Leeds | have you seen http://www.zorg.org/linux/lespion.shtml |
| 17:58.49 | Clyphox | I've lost my camera.. grr.. bbiam |
| 17:59.22 | resuDaed_ssh | that was quick |
| 18:00.55 | eye69 | My dad has decided that he wants Linux. The base install of Debian has been done successfully. What should be his starting desktop? I'm thinking Openbox, since he's using CDE all day long on Solaris. |
| 18:01.45 | Leeds | xfce |
| 18:02.14 | eye69 | Yeah, I guess that would work. |
| 18:02.30 | eye69 | I'll install a few and let him play with them |
| 18:05.08 | Clyphox | ok got it.. |
| 18:05.19 | Clyphox | Leeds, looking at the url now.. |
| 18:07.06 | Clyphox | Leeds, How do I set up the usb port? |
| 18:07.17 | Clyphox | Leeds, it doesn't see the usb port.. |
| 18:07.35 | Leeds | do you have USB support installed and loaded? |
| 18:07.53 | Clyphox | yeah I'm dialed up via a speedtouch usb modem atm.. |
| 18:08.12 | Clyphox | I can't see any change under /proc/bus/usb/devices |
| 18:08.35 | Leeds | what does "gphoto2 --list-ports" give? |
| 18:08.46 | Leeds | the camera is turned on, I assume? |
| 18:08.49 | Clyphox | Yeah.. |
| 18:08.56 | Clyphox | Just the Serial port |
| 18:09.38 | Leeds | type gphoto2 |
| 18:09.49 | Leeds | that is, what does "type gphoto2" give you? |
| 18:10.08 | Clyphox | gphoto2 is hashed (/usr/local/bin/gphoto2) |
| 18:10.26 | Clyphox | I compiled from source.. |
| 18:10.35 | Leeds | what's in /usr/local/lib/gphoto2_port? |
| 18:11.05 | Clyphox | 0.5.1/ |
| 18:11.14 | Clyphox | just the serial libs |
| 18:11.20 | Clyphox | weird.. checking my source |
| 18:11.33 | Leeds | okay... |
| 18:11.42 | Leeds | /usr/local/lib/gphoto2_port/0.5.1 :-) |
| 18:11.49 | Clyphox | yeah.. |
| 18:12.07 | Clyphox | could it be libgphoto? |
| 18:12.34 | Leeds | what's in that directory?!?! |
| 18:12.36 | Leeds | :-) |
| 18:13.02 | Clyphox | libgphoto2_port_serial.a libgphoto2_port_serial.la libgphoto2_port_serial.s |
| 18:13.11 | Clyphox | "just the serial libs" |
| 18:13.39 | Leeds | so could that be something to do with it? maybe? :-) |
| 18:13.56 | Leeds | (IRC needs <sarcastic> tags...) |
| 18:15.34 | SpudUAway | I thought anything preceeded with my /nick was sarcastic! |
| 18:15.41 | Clyphox | lol |
| 18:15.43 | SpudUAway | See! |
| 18:15.51 | formi | i would need a not sarcastic now |
| 18:15.52 | Leeds | true :-P |
| 18:16.09 | Leeds | Clyphox: do you have libusb installed? |
| 18:16.15 | Clyphox | yeah.. |
| 18:16.36 | Clyphox | should it be in pkgconfig do you think? |
| 18:16.42 | Leeds | probably not... |
| 18:16.46 | Leeds | what distro are you using? |
| 18:16.49 | Clyphox | slack |
| 18:16.57 | Leeds | :-) |
| 18:17.05 | Clyphox | the only |
| 18:17.10 | Leeds | the one... |
| 18:17.18 | Clyphox | the first |
| 18:17.25 | Leeds | the last? |
| 18:17.30 | Leeds | anyway... |
| 18:17.30 | Clyphox | the eternal |
| 18:17.34 | Clyphox | yeah.. hehe |
| 18:17.59 | Leeds | grep usb /etc/ld.so.cache |
| 18:18.01 | Leeds | or something like that |
| 18:18.37 | Clyphox | Ahh I didn't know I could do that |
| 18:18.51 | Clyphox | ahh not there at all |
| 18:18.52 | Leeds | I think you can... |
| 18:18.59 | Leeds | otherwise, ldconfig -v | grep usb |
| 18:19.15 | Clyphox | ahh |
| 18:19.20 | Clyphox | yeah its a binary file.. |
| 18:19.45 | Leeds | I'm on Solaris - starting a ssh to a Linux box, but it's very slow to punch out through our firewall |
| 18:19.45 | Clyphox | no results on ldconfig.. recompiling libusb and checking where it installs |
| 18:20.07 | Clyphox | why? |
| 18:20.40 | Leeds | why what? |
| 18:20.49 | Clyphox | Why is it slow.. |
| 18:21.10 | Leeds | dunno... going through SOCKS - it's very slow to bring up the connection, but okay once its up |
| 18:21.52 | Clyphox | wtf is popt. |
| 18:22.11 | Leeds | its like getopt on steriods... |
| 18:22.27 | Clyphox | I was kinda tipsy when I tried this last night... thats why I forgot to install libusb |
| 18:22.56 | Leeds | fair enough :-0 |
| 18:23.05 | Clyphox | I hate all the deps.. why can't ppl put backup deps with their souce to just make it easy |
| 18:23.21 | Clyphox | This is why I sometimes hate source |
| 18:23.39 | Leeds | it's not something I generally have trouble with |
| 18:23.51 | Clyphox | got popt going on slack? |
| 18:24.18 | Clyphox | I cant get gtkam going cause some fsked bonobo headers want popt.h :(( |
| 18:25.03 | Leeds | I've never looked at gtkam - I just use(d) gphoto2 on the command-line |
| 18:25.37 | Clyphox | I know and I am happy with console but I have ppl round me who I think its fair to have gui's.. |
| 18:25.52 | Clyphox | gah.. sorry.. not meaning to rave.. |
| 18:26.01 | Leeds | I don't need to anymore, having got a new camera a couple of weeks back, which uses CF, so I can just plug that into a machine directly... |
| 18:26.39 | Leeds | you can see it tomorrow :-0 |
| 18:26.40 | Clyphox | Wise.. Thats why I decided to get a Nex IIe mp3 player.. just use CF nice and upgradable.. |
| 18:27.23 | Leeds | well, I've been using CF for over 4(?) years now... I've got quite a bit invested in the format :-) |
| 18:27.35 | Clyphox | Cool |
| 18:27.53 | Clyphox | I like that ol IBM microdrive too :) |
| 18:28.14 | Leeds | I've got over 1.5Gb of CF storage, plus a modem and wlan card... got a microdrive, but don't use it |
| 18:28.16 | Clyphox | Is it true that CF is only writable about a 1000 times before it dies? |
| 18:28.26 | Leeds | 10000, I think... and that's per sector |
| 18:28.37 | formi | flood alert |
| 18:28.38 | Clyphox | Is it quick? |
| 18:28.43 | formi | galeon-bin in free(): warning: chunk is already free |
| 18:28.43 | formi | Gdk-ERROR **: BadShmSeg (invalid shared segment parameter) |
| 18:28.43 | formi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:28.52 | Clyphox | hmm.. |
| 18:29.02 | Leeds | CF? solid state? pretty quick to read, not bad to write |
| 18:29.10 | Leeds | quicker than the microdrive on both, i think |
| 18:29.17 | Clyphox | and normal hdd? |
| 18:29.19 | formi | any idea about that crash? |
| 18:29.36 | Clyphox | formi, no idea sorry.. |
| 18:29.39 | Leeds | what was your actual problem with popt? I just downloaded and built it (not installed - it's a shared machine) and it seemed fine |
| 18:29.55 | Leeds | formi: no idea |
| 18:30.43 | Clyphox | nothing I just hate having to install crud I never heard of. I wish all things were independant and modular. |
| 18:31.30 | Leeds | have you seen the gnucash thing about that? Note that that is the hardest single package I've seen to satisfy dependencies for |
| 18:31.53 | Clyphox | no.. I want to get it going sometime though.. |
| 18:33.10 | formi | Man puts PC, Linux into surface-to-surface missile, this is getting weird |
| 18:33.37 | Clyphox | hmm.. not exactly a rtos is it.. |
| 18:33.46 | Leeds | it basically comes down to "why is everyone moaning at us? What's the point of having all these whizzy libraries around if you're not meant to use them? Distro-makers can do the work to get it working with their system - it's your probalem otherwise..." |
| 18:34.12 | formi | The bomb will now support DivX and MP3 playback, but fortunately the device does not seem to be fitted with the AMD 3113 timer chip, known to cause Cruise missiles to pursue an errant path. |
| 18:34.28 | Clyphox | lol |
| 18:34.41 | formi | die with music |
| 18:35.20 | formi | this erov thing is even more weird |
| 18:35.30 | Leeds | eruv |
| 18:35.36 | formi | yes |
| 18:36.10 | Clyphox | Theres a whole debate on if opensource should be helping wars atm.. |
| 18:36.32 | Leeds | apart from the fact that the eruv website is badly written and only works in IE :-( |
| 18:37.02 | formi | what happens if somebody steps out? |
| 18:37.30 | Leeds | they've broken the Jewish law |
| 18:37.49 | Leeds | assuming they're carrying something which is only allowed to be carried inside an eruv... |
| 18:37.55 | formi | what's the punishment |
| 18:38.07 | formi | a head shave? |
| 18:39.07 | Leeds | no punishment... it's a sin, not a crime |
| 18:39.12 | formi | the news say, where there is an eruv there is trouble |
| 18:39.33 | Leeds | the news is wrong |
| 18:39.44 | formi | that's not surprising |
| 18:39.58 | Clyphox | Leeds, ok I've recompiled libusb and libgphoto and gphoto shows the usb port now. |
| 18:40.14 | Leeds | by a complete coincidence, my flat is about 15 meters inside the eruv - not that it bothers me at all |
| 18:40.28 | Clyphox | problem is gphoto2 --port "usb" --auto-detect shows nothing at all |
| 18:40.38 | Clyphox | who/what is eruv? |
| 18:40.52 | Leeds | going off-topic... |
| 18:40.56 | formi | a zone of exclusion |
| 18:41.05 | Leeds | *not* a zone of exclusion |
| 18:41.11 | formi | or inclusion depending on where youre |
| 18:41.25 | formi | or who you are |
| 18:41.39 | Clyphox | hmm.. |
| 18:41.57 | Leeds | one of the things which is forbidden on the Jewish sabbath as a form of work is carrying - including things like pushing a pram/wheelchair, carrying books to the synagogue and so on |
| 18:42.15 | formi | and dont forget the keys |
| 18:42.18 | Clyphox | pushing pram! |
| 18:42.20 | Leeds | you are only allowed to carry within a 'domain' - which is usually a home or a walled area... |
| 18:42.51 | Leeds | formi: true - although most people (who care) just use an elasticated belt with the keys on - since you're 'wearing' it, it's okay |
| 18:43.16 | formi | I find this religion quite amusing |
| 18:43.46 | Leeds | anyway, the point of an eruv is to create a virtual 'walled area' (it's descended from the old walled cities) by marking out an area and ensuring that there is a contiguous boundary around it |
| 18:43.48 | Clyphox | Leeds, any idea as to why this thingeee wont detect? should it be visable under /proc/bus/usb/devices? |
| 18:44.28 | Leeds | most of the boundary is existing things like roads (e.g. it's the M1 next to my flat), but a small amount is wires on telegraph poles... |
| 18:44.38 | Leeds | Clyphox: is there anything in your log when you plug the camera in? |
| 18:44.48 | Clyphox | no change noe |
| 18:45.00 | Leeds | still at work |
| 18:46.00 | Leeds | so if you unplug the camera from the PC, leaving it plugged in at the camera end, make sure the camera is on, and then plug the camera in, nothing appears? |
| 18:46.10 | Clyphox | yeah.. |
| 18:46.25 | Clyphox | definatly.. maybe its caused by the hub.. |
| 18:46.37 | Clyphox | The Cam sais PC on the LCD though |
| 18:47.26 | Leeds | hmmm... |
| 18:47.37 | Leeds | I'm going home - if you want to continue, I'll be on in 30 mins or so |
| 18:47.51 | Leeds | I'm the last one here :-( |
| 18:48.02 | Clyphox | Cya later :) |
| 18:48.05 | Clyphox | thanks .. |
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| 18:53.28 | Clyphox | I'm gonna go offline for a few minutes.. bbl |
| 18:53.32 | Clyphox | Hi Jenson, zachary |
| 18:53.39 | Jenson | hey Clyphox |
| 18:53.43 | zachary | evening Clyphox|a |
| 18:53.50 | Jenson | hey zachary |
| 18:54.02 | Jenson | zachary: Jess till intending to be at the fest with you? |
| 18:54.09 | Jenson | s/till/still |
| 18:55.13 | jason_ukfsn | re Jenson. |
| 18:55.14 | *** join/#gllug dankolb (~dankolb@spookhive.demon.co.uk) |
| 18:55.24 | Jenson | hey dan |
| 18:55.27 | Jenson | ty jason_ukfsn |
| 18:55.54 | dankolb | Hey |
| 18:56.17 | zachary | Jenson: yes, she is going to arive at 2. |
| 18:56.34 | Jenson | cool zachary |
| 18:56.45 | Jenson | Unfotunately I can't come to the pub |
| 18:56.55 | Jenson | But I'll beat the fest |
| 18:57.01 | dankolb | Sure now? |
| 18:57.05 | Jenson | be at even |
| 18:58.06 | Jenson | Damn right I'll be there |
| 18:58.26 | dankolb | Heh. You weren't so sure earlier |
| 18:58.32 | Jenson | heh |
| 18:59.17 | dankolb | Cheap? |
| 18:59.24 | Jenson | 19.99 |
| 18:59.34 | dankolb | You can get 512k for a couple of pounds more |
| 18:59.41 | Jenson | free modem £35 connection charge |
| 18:59.43 | Jenson | lol I knoew |
| 18:59.51 | Jenson | Higher connection chargews rhouhgh |
| 19:00.18 | dankolb | Ah |
| 19:00.31 | jason_ukfsn | who is offering it Jenson? |
| 19:00.38 | Jenson | Doubt it'll make much difference but still |
| 19:00.40 | Jenson | Tiscali |
| 19:00.42 | dankolb | ISIHAC and ISIRTA on BBC7 |
| 19:01.09 | Jenson | http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/256choosemodem.html?code=ZZ-NL-11UN |
| 19:01.21 | jason_ukfsn | Ah. UKFSN may soon be reselling ADSL and Tiscali are one of the people I've been talking to about sourcing the service as we already use them for dialup ports. |
| 19:01.56 | jason_ukfsn | Alas my account manager resigned a short while ago so I now have to find someone else to take responsibility for my odd requests. |
| 19:02.24 | formi | What will I need to register? |
| 19:02.24 | formi | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:02.24 | formi | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:02.24 | formi | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:02.24 | formi | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:02.33 | formi | i love the last line |
| 19:02.36 | dankolb | :) |
| 19:02.39 | Jenson | lol |
| 19:02.45 | Jenson | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:02.52 | Jenson | No wait *A monitor |
| 19:02.57 | Jenson | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:03.03 | highbury | jason_ukfsn: I noticed that UKLinux is sponsorinng the Linux Expo, does that mean they are finally contributing back to the community? |
| 19:03.04 | dankolb | Why a house? |
| 19:03.08 | dankolb | You could have a flat? |
| 19:03.12 | dankolb | s/?// |
| 19:03.19 | highbury | what about a caravan? |
| 19:03.27 | Jenson | lol you klnow whayts it mean |
| 19:03.33 | Jenson | fsck cant type rtoday |
| 19:03.35 | jason_ukfsn | highbury all that means is that they are organising it for Maggie (who just happens to be a long term friend of Lance and Brian) |
| 19:03.37 | dankolb | :) |
| 19:04.25 | jason_ukfsn | I've been reading on a list this week about people having broadband delivered to barges so you don't even need a house/flat - just a phone from BT |
| 19:04.37 | dankolb | :) |
| 19:05.22 | jason_ukfsn | strictly speaking you need a fixed point with a BT phone unstallation where the line travels less than 5km from the exchange to your phone point. |
| 19:05.32 | Jenson | Truew |
| 19:06.12 | jason_ukfsn | highbury - oddly enough UKFSN has not been invited to have any space in the .ORG at Birmingham. Next week I will email Brian and ask for some and see what happens ;) |
| 19:15.12 | highbury | jenson should take off her auto-away messages |
| 19:15.24 | dankolb | Yeah |
| 19:15.45 | highbury | jason_ukfsn: how competitive do you reckon your ADSL offering will be? |
| 19:21.55 | Jenson | Why |
| 19:21.57 | Jenson | I liked it |
| 19:23.19 | highbury | it sucks |
| 19:23.35 | Jenson | You want me to chanhge it highbury? |
| 19:23.39 | highbury | not the message, just the auto_away function |
| 19:23.46 | dankolb | It's not auto_away |
| 19:24.00 | dankolb | Is the displaying of away status |
| 19:25.04 | Clyphox | re |
| 19:25.34 | Jenson | re |
| 19:25.42 | Jenson | I got rid of that status msg highbury |
| 19:26.19 | Clyphox | This camera is driving me insane.. |
| 19:26.51 | dankolb | re Clyphox |
| 19:26.52 | Clyphox | flood alert! |
| 19:26.52 | highbury | Jenson: out of interest, was that someting your client program did? |
| 19:26.54 | Clyphox | re dank |
| 19:27.00 | Clyphox | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:27.00 | Clyphox | S: Manufacturer=SiPix?StyleCam RAVE/SNAP DSC?1?Configuration?Interface????????????????????????N?ø????????????ð????? |
| 19:27.01 | Clyphox | S: Product=StyleCam RAVE/SNAP DSC?1?Configuration?Interface????????????????????????N?ø????????????ð???????ð?? |
| 19:27.04 | Jenson | Nope, that was something I did highbury |
| 19:27.18 | highbury | how? |
| 19:27.24 | Jenson | XChat setup |
| 19:27.31 | Clyphox | Now that is from /proc/bus/usb/devices.. |
| 19:28.23 | stephen | hmm, xchat AFAIK does public aways by default |
| 19:28.33 | Jenson | Exactly |
| 19:28.37 | dankolb | Yes, so you have to turn it off |
| 19:28.49 | Jenson | But I like to know when epople are away before I type at them |
| 19:29.02 | dankolb | /whois will tell you |
| 19:29.21 | Jenson | I can disable it if you want |
| 19:29.22 | *** join/#gllug nasrat (~paul@pc-80-193-235-11-hr.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 19:29.22 | dankolb | Actually, I wonder if I have the away message enabled or not. I never use it |
| 19:29.29 | dankolb | Hi paul |
| 19:29.33 | Jenson | I use mine constantly |
| 19:29.39 | Clyphox | Hi nasrat |
| 19:29.47 | nasrat | lo |
| 19:29.54 | stephen | I used to, until everyone started bitching at me for it |
| 19:29.58 | dankolb | Yeah - disabling would be nice, so it's not announced |
| 19:30.04 | Jenson | k then |
| 19:30.05 | dankolb | I got bitched at for it, too |
| 19:30.18 | Jenson | I done it now |
| 19:30.23 | Jenson | I think |
| 19:30.25 | Clyphox | wa gwan? |
| 19:30.54 | highbury | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:30.57 | Jenson | I like it when it announces |
| 19:30.59 | highbury | oops |
| 19:30.59 | stephen | lol |
| 19:31.00 | Jenson | lol highbury |
| 19:31.49 | Clyphox | Anyone know anything about the StyleCam SNAP Camera? |
| 19:32.05 | stephen | what time does everything start tomorrow? |
| 19:32.09 | Clyphox | Its tryin to kill me |
| 19:32.12 | highbury | 12noon |
| 19:32.25 | highbury | check the site |
| 19:32.39 | highbury | http://gllug.linux.co.uk/installfest-20030301.html |
| 19:32.46 | stephen | highbury: yeah, i'm just too lazy to open opera |
| 19:32.49 | Clyphox | :(( |
| 19:32.55 | Clyphox | Wish I could make it.. |
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| 19:38.08 | Clyphox|afk | I wb Leeds |
| 19:38.10 | Clyphox|afk | er |
| 19:38.17 | Clyphox | wb Leeds |
| 19:38.59 | Jenson | wb Leeds |
| 19:39.03 | Jenson | wb Clyphox |
| 19:39.15 | Clyphox | Ta |
| 19:39.31 | Clyphox | I'm going to be gone again in a second though.. |
| 19:39.37 | Clyphox | F00d |
| 19:40.35 | Clyphox | can someone /m me quickly.. (test) |
| 19:40.55 | dankolb | Message you? |
| 19:40.55 | Clyphox | Jenson, thanks |
| 19:41.07 | Jenson | yw |
| 19:41.47 | Clyphox | Leeds, may I bother you again? (camera) |
| 19:41.53 | Leeds | yes |
| 19:42.06 | Clyphox | I can see it under /proc/bus/usb/devices now.. |
| 19:42.27 | dankolb | Food time |
| 19:42.27 | Leeds | good |
| 19:42.29 | dankolb | Byee |
| 19:42.49 | Clyphox | I butcya |
| 19:42.54 | Clyphox | er |
| 19:42.57 | Clyphox | cya dan |
| 19:43.06 | Leeds | you butcya? |
| 19:43.10 | Jenson | ctya dan |
| 19:43.24 | Clyphox | Leeds , when I run gphoto2 --port "usb" --camera "Sipix Blink" -P --debug it sais something like : |
| 19:43.46 | Clyphox | <flood> |
| 19:43.48 | Clyphox | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.48 | Clyphox | 0.130226 gphoto2-port-core(2): Loaded 'Universal Serial Bus' (usb:) from 'libgphoto2_port_u sb.so' |
| 19:43.49 | Clyphox | 0.130785 gphoto2-port-core(2): '/usr/local/lib/gphoto2_port/0.5.1/libgphoto2_port_usb.la' i s not a library (/usr/local/lib/gphoto2_port/0.5.1/libgphoto2_port_usb.la: invalid ELF head er) |
| 19:43.49 | Clyphox | 0.131260 gphoto2-port-core(2): '/usr/local/lib/gphoto2_port/0.5.1/libgphoto2_port_usb.a' is not a library (/usr/local/lib/gphoto2_port/0.5.1/libgphoto2_port_usb.a: invalid ELF header ) |
| 19:43.52 | Clyphox | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.54 | Clyphox | </flood> |
| 19:43.56 | Clyphox | sry |
| 19:44.16 | Jenson | Not even an amusing fllod....shame on you |
| 19:44.29 | Leeds | filod? |
| 19:44.36 | Clyphox | Its in the ldconfig path now and I saw it when running ldconfig -v |
| 19:44.50 | Jenson | BBL seeya |
| 19:44.50 | Leeds | okay, that looks okay... |
| 19:44.52 | Clyphox | All I do is think of food now.. |
| 19:45.02 | Leeds | so go have food... |
| 19:45.28 | Clyphox | here is some more flood first.. : |
| 19:45.28 | Clyphox | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:45.29 | Clyphox | 0.141080 gphoto2-port(0): Could not find USB device (vendor 0x851, product 0x1542). Make su re this device is connected to the computer. |
| 19:45.30 | Clyphox | 0.141485 context(0): An error occurred in the io-library ('Bad parameters'): Could not find USB device (vendor 0x851, product 0x1542). Make sure this device is connected to the compu ter. |
| 19:45.31 | Clyphox | *** Error *** |
| 19:45.31 | Clyphox | An error occurred in the io-library ('Bad parameters'): Could not find USB device (vendor 0 x851, product 0x1542). Make sure this device is connected to the computer. |
| 19:45.34 | Clyphox | *** Error (-2: 'Bad parameters') *** |
| 19:45.38 | Clyphox | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:45.40 | Clyphox | Its just weird.. |
| 19:46.37 | Clyphox | Whats worrying me is that its the SNAP camera and maybe its not supported really.. (even though I saw a guy at the Expo with one who said it works..) |
| 19:46.41 | Leeds | is 0x851 0x1542 the right settings? |
| 19:46.53 | Clyphox | How do I see? |
| 19:47.50 | Leeds | somewhere in /proc or in the log |
| 19:48.53 | Clyphox | ahh.. duh.. new USB device 00:07.2-1.2, assigned address 67 |
| 19:49.22 | Leeds | what is the exact model of camera? |
| 19:49.30 | Clyphox | It sais exatly the same thing when the camera is not in |
| 19:50.14 | Clyphox | auto-detect doesn't even pick it up |
| 19:51.51 | murble | ibot, seen dank? |
| 19:51.52 | | murble: i haven't seen 'dank' |
| 19:51.54 | Leeds | what is the exact model of camera? |
| 19:52.00 | murble | ibot, seen dank_work |
| 19:52.00 | | dank_work is currently on #gllug (3d 4h 40m 51s). Has said a total of 299 messages. Is idling for 1h 57m 56s |
| 19:52.10 | murble | hmm |
| 19:52.50 | Leeds | about 10 minutes ago, Dan said he was going for some food |
| 19:53.38 | murble | hmm toomany nicks |
| 19:53.44 | stephen | ibot seen dankolb |
| 19:53.48 | | dankolb <~dankolb@spookhive.demon.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 11m 19s ago, saying: 'Byee'. |
| 19:53.48 | Clyphox | <flood> |
| 19:53.48 | Clyphox | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:53.51 | Clyphox | T: Bus=01 Lev=02 Prnt=56 Port=01 Cnt=02 Dev#= 68 Spd=12 MxCh= 0 |
| 19:53.52 | Clyphox | D: Ver= 1.10 Cls=ff(vend.) Sub=ff Prot=ff MxPS= 8 #Cfgs= 1 |
| 19:53.52 | Clyphox | P: Vendor=0c77 ProdID=1010 Rev= 1.00 |
| 19:53.52 | Clyphox | S: Manufacturer=SiPix?StyleCam RAVE/SNAP DSC?1?Configuration?Interface????????????????????????N?ø????????????ð????? |
| 19:53.52 | Clyphox | S: Product=StyleCam RAVE/SNAP DSC?1?Configuration?Interface????????????????????????N?ø????????????ð???????ð?? |
| 19:53.53 | Clyphox | C:* #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=c0 MxPwr=484mA |
| 19:53.55 | Clyphox | I: If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 5 Cls=ff(vend.) Sub=ff Prot=ff Driver=(none) |
| 19:53.57 | Clyphox | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:53.59 | Clyphox | sry.. |
| 19:55.31 | Clyphox | I might try jphoto.. |
| 19:55.39 | Clyphox | I have to go now.. food.. |
| 19:56.00 | Leeds | you know what - I don't think it's supported... |
| 19:56.04 | Leeds | enjoy food |
| 19:56.14 | Clyphox | Prolly.. |
| 19:56.19 | Clyphox | now I am very sad.. |
| 19:56.54 | Clyphox | What I don't get is why some guy I met at the Linux Expo last year said is was when he used his |
| 19:57.26 | Clyphox | [nod] |
| 19:57.31 | Clyphox | I go eat f00d now.. |
| 19:57.54 | Clyphox|suicidal | bloody cam.. |
| 19:58.22 | Leeds | hate to tell you... I looked at the hardware compatability *before& purchasing |
| 19:58.31 | nasrat | murble: any *really* old kit? |
| 20:04.22 | murble | nasrat: olds stuff is 1 XT |
| 20:04.31 | murble | s/olds/oldest/ |
| 20:07.14 | nasrat | hmm, not tomorrow - but maybe soon |
| 20:08.32 | nasrat | have to go now |
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| 20:18.48 | dankolb | re |
| 20:19.13 | Leeds | I agree |
| 20:19.25 | dankolb | :) |
| 20:20.14 | Leeds | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2808771.stm |
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| 20:38.42 | dankolb | wb J |
| 20:50.05 | dankolb | What's up? |
| 20:55.55 | formi | serial trouble again |
| 20:56.18 | Leeds | I suggest corn flakes |
| 20:56.26 | formi | can you believe it? I have 3 laptops, and two desktops |
| 20:56.55 | formi | the only one that connects to the sparc is the p100 laptop |
| 20:57.17 | formi | the thinkpad with the same conf doesn't |
| 20:57.29 | formi | the openbsd doesn't also |
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| 21:00.04 | formi | corn flakes = bloody american invention to poison people with chemicals and genetic rabbish |
| 21:00.20 | formi | and aslo wave a trade war with russia |
| 21:03.49 | Clyphox | I'm going to sleep now.. bye bye... |
| 21:03.52 | formi | speaking about food Im off to bite something |
| 21:03.56 | formi | see ya |
| 21:04.09 | Clyphox | Byeeee.. |
| 21:04.17 | Leeds | g'night |
| 21:04.20 | stephen | formi_gone: just make sure that's non-toxic first |
| 21:12.43 | dankolb | yo |
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| 21:15.09 | *** join/#gllug OrangeSkies (~alex@ppp-225-78-216.friaco.access.uk.tiscali.com) |
| 21:15.21 | OrangeSkies | hey guys |
| 21:15.22 | Leeds | evening OrangeSkies |
| 21:15.26 | OrangeSkies | :) |
| 21:16.05 | OrangeSkies | how goes it? |
| 21:16.27 | Leeds | not too bad... |
| 21:16.35 | Leeds | just upgrading the kernel on my iPAQ |
| 21:17.03 | Leeds | you? |
| 21:17.05 | OrangeSkies | party on lol |
| 21:17.18 | OrangeSkies | getting abused for asking for help in mandrake :( |
| 21:17.30 | OrangeSkies | snooty bastards |
| 21:17.37 | Leeds | you mean #mandrake? |
| 21:17.47 | OrangeSkies | hehe yeah, sorry |
| 21:17.51 | Leeds | well, they're all French over there, aren't they? |
| 21:17.55 | Leeds | :-) |
| 21:18.01 | OrangeSkies | ah well... there we have it |
| 21:18.13 | OrangeSkies | thought something smelt funny |
| 21:19.07 | OrangeSkies | so d'you go to the meetings Leeds? |
| 21:20.44 | OrangeSkies | 'gllug' ones that is |
| 21:22.19 | resuDaed | what you need help with? |
| 21:22.54 | Leeds | yes, I do... |
| 21:23.27 | OrangeSkies | sorry had to say hi to my ma |
| 21:23.42 | OrangeSkies | i'd like to install wine on my system |
| 21:23.59 | OrangeSkies | but i get a dependency error when i run the rpm |
| 21:24.02 | resuDaed | (at a guess) |
| 21:24.18 | OrangeSkies | (a good one at that) |
| 21:24.44 | dankolb | :) |
| 21:25.20 | *** join/#gllug gj_ (~gj@195.173.16.41) |
| 21:25.22 | OrangeSkies | i've downloaded a bunch of howto's but they all get a bit too complicated for my tiny mind |
| 21:25.27 | gj_ | hello folks |
| 21:25.38 | OrangeSkies | hi gj_ |
| 21:25.44 | resuDaed | OrangeSkies : do you have the source tarball? (.tar.gz or tar.bz2)? |
| 21:26.13 | gj_ | i hope i don't have to register anywhere for tommorows instfest |
| 21:26.22 | OrangeSkies | let me see, i downloaded a bunch of files from college and burned them to cd.. |
| 21:26.24 | gj_ | or it is not too late to do it :] |
| 21:26.39 | stephen | gj_: nope, turn up and enjoy :) |
| 21:26.58 | gj_ | so see ya tommorow guys |
| 21:26.58 | gj_ | :] |
| 21:27.06 | stephen | k |
| 21:28.49 | OrangeSkies | resuDaed: i don't have the .tgz files, i'll go download them now |
| 21:29.37 | resuDaed | ok, I don't have long ... my gf is pressuring me to leave the computer and go around to hers for specifcally non-computer related activities |
| 21:29.41 | Leeds | OrangeSkies: what particularly do you want wine for? it's not necessarily a great solution |
| 21:29.56 | OrangeSkies | awww crap, 7.9mb on dial up |
| 21:30.02 | resuDaed | no, but it can be good for the transition |
| 21:30.07 | OrangeSkies | Leeds: to play little boys games i'm afraid :( |
| 21:30.23 | Leeds | which games? |
| 21:30.42 | OrangeSkies | quake 3 arena and counterstrike |
| 21:30.50 | OrangeSkies | mainly the latter |
| 21:30.51 | resuDaed | q3 is on linux |
| 21:31.05 | resuDaed | CS I can't remember ... quite possibly an engine for it |
| 21:31.06 | OrangeSkies | i know but i have the win cd |
| 21:31.10 | gj_ | cs not |
| 21:31.27 | gj_ | but q3 is, so it does not make any sens to run it under winex |
| 21:31.34 | resuDaed | all you need is 1 file from the win cd and you can get the engine from idsoftware.com |
| 21:31.53 | resuDaed | I can't help you on that though because I never got around to finishing it |
| 21:31.58 | OrangeSkies | i've been to www.lhl.linuxgames.com and lots'a people there have run CS fine |
| 21:32.15 | resuDaed | through wine or winex? |
| 21:32.20 | gj_ | winex |
| 21:32.40 | OrangeSkies | just regular wine cos winex is meant to be pap |
| 21:32.41 | gj_ | wine is not able to run it, due to lack of directx |
| 21:32.56 | zachary | brb |
| 21:32.59 | gj_ | you can download winex for free, just from cvs |
| 21:33.02 | gj_ | no tar balls |
| 21:33.14 | resuDaed | and cvs is a pain in the arse (IMHO) |
| 21:33.19 | gj_ | ? |
| 21:33.20 | gj_ | why |
| 21:33.29 | gj_ | it is more than easy |
| 21:33.49 | OrangeSkies | on the 'installing half life' howto's it says installing crom cvs won't wor |
| 21:33.53 | OrangeSkies | *work |
| 21:34.08 | gj_ | strange |
| 21:34.15 | resuDaed | because I never managed to get to grips with it fully I spose, I only ever tried it once when I was pretty new to unix and it seems to have put me off for life :-) |
| 21:34.15 | gj_ | why ? does it say why ? |
| 21:34.33 | OrangeSkies | Leeds: i'm thinking of coming to the 'installfest' tomorrow but i don't wanna get on anyones nerves, d'you think i should come? |
| 21:34.35 | resuDaed | definatly |
| 21:34.47 | OrangeSkies | gj_: no it doesn't |
| 21:34.47 | Leeds | certainly |
| 21:34.50 | resuDaed | tomorrow is aimed mainly at those who are newish |
| 21:35.01 | OrangeSkies | great |
| 21:35.18 | OrangeSkies | is there onsite net access by any chance? |
| 21:35.24 | resuDaed | OrangeSkies : if we were never willing to help, it'd be a pretty crap LUG |
| 21:35.41 | Leeds | OrangeSkies: yes, there's net access - you can even burn stuff to CD if you need to |
| 21:35.53 | gj_ | OrangeSkies: there is always a reason |
| 21:35.58 | OrangeSkies | resuDaed: :) nice to hear, i just get intimidated by techie folk sometimes |
| 21:36.22 | OrangeSkies | cool |
| 21:36.34 | resuDaed | OrangeSkies : how do you think techie folk became techie folk? |
| 21:36.35 | Leeds | don't worry, we don't bite... and we go to the pub afterwards :-) |
| 21:36.47 | OrangeSkies | perhaps i should leave this blimmin wine download til tomorrow... |
| 21:37.52 | OrangeSkies | urgh the pub... not a good place when you're skint |
| 21:38.11 | Leeds | for q3a, I would grab the native stuff... |
| 21:38.58 | OrangeSkies | i'll have a look round, but i'd like to get counterstrike going above all else |
| 21:39.00 | resuDaed | OrangeSkies : we are all skint |
| 21:39.27 | resuDaed | Leeds : so you're buying then |
| 21:39.45 | OrangeSkies | hehe |
| 21:39.55 | gj_ | : |
| 21:39.55 | gj_ | ] |
| 21:40.16 | resuDaed | I have about a tenner to sare after my travel card - I reckon 4 pints ... over 4-5 hours?? |
| 21:40.17 | OrangeSkies | he wouldn't wanna feel left out now |
| 21:40.44 | resuDaed | gj_ : what do you do? |
| 21:40.45 | Leeds | I only tend to have a couple of pints, anywya... |
| 21:40.51 | gj_ | i am a programmer |
| 21:40.58 | gj_ | dos/windows/linux |
| 21:40.59 | gj_ | C |
| 21:41.17 | Leeds | what kind of stuff? |
| 21:41.32 | gj_ | depends on what company wants |
| 21:41.38 | gj_ | different sort of things |
| 21:41.42 | resuDaed | ah, I sort of speak c++ ... but that is I can write/modify it ... not understand the techie terms associated to programming ... what you get for being self taught |
| 21:41.56 | gj_ | mainly games for betting shops |
| 21:42.07 | gj_ | as my company is doing such system |
| 21:42.09 | gj_ | QuickDraw |
| 21:42.38 | resuDaed | OrangeSkies : what do you look like? - I'll keep an eye out for you tomorrow |
| 21:42.59 | gj_ | resuDaed: c++ too, and java |
| 21:43.18 | gj_ | resuDaed: but we are using C mainly |
| 21:43.24 | gj_ | resuDaed: and what you are doing ? |
| 21:43.26 | resuDaed | never got to grips with java ... never liked it much |
| 21:43.26 | OrangeSkies | resuDaed: tallish, alone and awkward most probably |
| 21:43.38 | gj_ | i don't like it too |
| 21:43.48 | gj_ | but it is a must now, to get a jog |
| 21:43.50 | gj_ | job |
| 21:43.53 | resuDaed | gj_ : trying to find work - junior sysadmin etc. |
| 21:43.58 | Leeds | OrangeSkies: are you sure you're not Tarragon in disguise? :-) |
| 21:44.07 | resuDaed | Leeds : lol |
| 21:44.14 | gj_ | i will have IE on my linux boc |
| 21:44.15 | gj_ | boc |
| 21:44.20 | gj_ | arghh |
| 21:44.23 | gj_ | boX |
| 21:44.23 | resuDaed | lol |
| 21:44.24 | Leeds | boz? |
| 21:44.36 | gj_ | :] |
| 21:44.48 | OrangeSkies | Leeds: i should hope i'm not... for his sake |
| 21:45.01 | gj_ | maybe i will run remote workstations, booted from net |
| 21:45.04 | resuDaed | most of what I do is perl/python stuff - and now I am doing bash |
| 21:45.04 | gj_ | with this tool |
| 21:45.17 | gj_ | but i have to try different sort of software first |
| 21:45.56 | gj_ | becouse we are not using word only |
| 21:45.56 | Leeds | OrangeSkies: don't worry - I'm not tall, but I am wide... |
| 21:46.03 | gj_ | also other things, like proxy |
| 21:46.17 | Leeds | http://photos.geeksgetrevenge.com/fosdem2003/Friday/img_0002.html is Tarragon |
| 21:46.47 | gj_ | are there any developers in gllug ? |
| 21:46.49 | OrangeSkies | Leeds: that makes us even ^_^ |
| 21:47.03 | Leeds | gj_: a few |
| 21:47.32 | gj_ | and where is my half polish friend |
| 21:47.32 | Leeds | most people are admins or hobbyists... |
| 21:47.42 | gj_ | gj.pointblue.com.pl |
| 21:47.43 | gj_ | thats me |
| 21:47.44 | gj_ | :] |
| 21:47.45 | Leeds | you look like a goat? |
| 21:47.59 | resuDaed | it has been meantioned .... |
| 21:48.45 | resuDaed | (hangs around with Equation Man, Don Laden & Exposure Boy) |
| 21:48.46 | *** join/#gllug omphe (omphe@keiko.demon.co.uk) |
| 21:48.56 | resuDaed | ((drinking buddies for a while)) |
| 21:49.08 | omphe | hello all. |
| 21:49.11 | Leeds | evening omphe |
| 21:49.15 | OrangeSkies | if anyone wants to see me my pics @ http://members.msn.com/alexbox50@hotmail.com ...but don't read it i can't remember what the heck i wrote... something embarrassing no doubt |
| 21:49.30 | gj_ | msn.com ?????? |
| 21:49.32 | gj_ | yack |
| 21:49.42 | resuDaed | he shall be converted |
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| 21:50.52 | OrangeSkies | gj_: i gotta talk to my girlie on msn... there's no getting round it... |
| 21:51.19 | Leeds | OrangeSkies: oh, but there is! |
| 21:51.21 | gj_ | there is allways other way |
| 21:51.48 | Leeds | there are plenty of non-msn msn-chat clients out there... and I need to look at the jabber gateways |
| 21:52.12 | resuDaed | http://213.106.84.104/~john/GLLUG/030118/resudaedElizabreth12.png is about the best you'll find of me recently (I'm the one with the pint of Guinness in my hand) |
| 21:52.17 | *** join/#gllug Jenson (1000@host213-122-99-93.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 21:52.23 | resuDaed | evening Jenson |
| 21:52.35 | OrangeSkies | oh i know but she already disapproves of my fannying on with computers enough, making her download another chat program just to talk to me with wouldn't go down to well |
| 21:52.38 | Leeds | hey Jenson |
| 21:52.41 | Jenson | hey resuDaed |
| 21:52.44 | Jenson | hey Leeds |
| 21:53.01 | Leeds | OrangeSkies: that's the point - she can stay with her MSN client, and you can use something better |
| 21:53.09 | Jenson | Like GAIM |
| 21:53.15 | resuDaed | OrangeSkies : I managed to convince my gf to learn to ssh into my box (using putty), and run BitchX |
| 21:53.16 | Leeds | exactly |
| 21:53.25 | resuDaed | she appears in here as resuBitch |
| 21:53.37 | Jenson | lol resuDaed i didn'#t need convincing...I just whinged that I couldnt chat |
| 21:53.49 | OrangeSkies | Leeds: i'm on GAIM atm but you still need to sign up at msn to use it |
| 21:53.49 | omphe | gaim's the way to go |
| 21:54.14 | resuDaed | OrangeSkies : download BitchX |
| 21:54.19 | gj_ | irssi rox |
| 21:54.26 | resuDaed | or that |
| 21:54.26 | Leeds | OrangeSkies: sure, you need to sign up, but then you never need go near it again :-) I've got AIM and ICQ accounts - you think I use AOL? :-) |
| 21:54.26 | gj_ | bitchX sux |
| 21:54.36 | OrangeSkies | resuDaed: what is BitchX? |
| 21:54.42 | gj_ | :] |
| 21:54.47 | resuDaed | hardcore IRC client |
| 21:54.51 | OrangeSkies | Leeds: good point lol |
| 21:54.54 | Jenson | resuDaed: Also a bit crappy |
| 21:54.57 | Jenson | irssi is better |
| 21:54.59 | gj_ | and slow |
| 21:55.02 | gj_ | and buggy |
| 21:55.03 | OrangeSkies | eee hardcore... a scary word |
| 21:55.06 | omphe | resuDaed: in the photo => formi, you, lzbth, and who? |
| 21:55.13 | resuDaed | pdr |
| 21:55.33 | resuDaed | omphe : have we met yet? |
| 21:55.57 | omphe | doubtful, Make sure you're blurry tomorrow so I can recognize you. |
| 21:56.09 | Leeds | resuDaed: you're not normally that blurred, right? |
| 21:56.36 | resuDaed | edit 12 to 1 in the URI then, I think is less blurry |
| 21:56.47 | Leeds | I submit Tarragon and SpudUAway, in genuine John-Hearns-o-vision; http://photos.geeksgetrevenge.com/fosdem2003/Sunday/img_0074.html |
| 21:57.00 | Leeds | ibot Jenson |
| 21:57.01 | | it has been said that jenson is Innocent and clean-minded, or not! |
| 21:57.08 | Leeds | ibot Jenson is also a twonkle |
| 21:57.09 | | okay, Leeds |
| 21:57.15 | Leeds | what is a twonkle, anyway? :-) |
| 21:57.21 | Jenson | I thought the CDROM was being shit.....but really it was a blank CDR and not the disc I wanted |
| 21:57.49 | dankolb | :) |
| 21:57.56 | Jenson | lmao |
| 21:58.01 | Jenson | I should label my audio CDs |
| 21:58.07 | resuDaed | right I must go, my gf is going to kill me |
| 21:58.15 | Jenson | cya resuDaed say hi to her |
| 21:58.19 | dankolb | :) |
| 21:58.20 | Leeds | seeya tomorrow, resuDaed, right? |
| 21:58.22 | gj_ | Jenson: :] |
| 21:58.26 | resuDaed | Leeds : should do |
| 21:58.27 | dankolb | resuDaed: Can't do Netware, unfortunately : |
| 21:58.27 | dankolb | :( |
| 21:58.31 | resuDaed | :( |
| 21:58.33 | gj_ | dankolb: czesc |
| 21:58.35 | dankolb | Lack of working CD writer |
| 21:58.39 | dankolb | czesc, gj_ |
| 21:58.52 | resuDaed | dankolb : they have burners @ gllug don't they? |
| 21:58.54 | gj_ | dankolb: you gonna be there tommorow ? |
| 21:59.08 | resuDaed | ibot lart Jensons fscking shit speaker |
| 21:59.27 | dankolb | resuDaed: But if you want it fairly badly, I can run you off a copy when it works, and post it to you |
| 21:59.29 | Leeds | resuDaed: yup, got burners |
| 21:59.41 | dankolb | Yeah, but can you create images from existing CDs on those machines? |
| 21:59.50 | resuDaed | knoppix |
| 22:00.01 | resuDaed | ?? |
| 22:00.11 | OrangeSkies | don't suppose anyone knows where i could off load a 3com superstack 3 24 port hub?? |
| 22:00.26 | OrangeSkies | CEX aren't taking em any more |
| 22:00.27 | resuDaed | you could off-load it on to me |
| 22:00.38 | resuDaed | I would like one :-) |
| 22:01.00 | Leeds | dankolb: you mean can you copy commercial software at GLLUG? |
| 22:01.13 | OrangeSkies | ooo really? |
| 22:01.40 | resuDaed | OrangeSkies : how much? |
| 22:01.47 | resuDaed | I am skint this week |
| 22:01.59 | resuDaed | I have this bank job planned monday night |
| 22:02.16 | OrangeSkies | nice |
| 22:02.18 | resuDaed | d'oh, this room is logged |
| 22:02.20 | stephen | OrangeSkies: 10 or 10/100 and how much? |
| 22:02.22 | resuDaed | ibot delete logs |
| 22:02.24 | | Segmentation fault. |
| 22:02.24 | dankolb | :) |
| 22:02.27 | OrangeSkies | ...name your price? |
| 22:02.32 | OrangeSkies | 10/100 |
| 22:02.37 | OrangeSkies | open to offers |
| 22:02.42 | OrangeSkies | ie. i haven't a clue lol |
| 22:02.49 | resuDaed | name yours and I'll tell you if I like it |
| 22:02.50 | stephen | ah, if it was a 10 i'd be able to afford it |
| 22:02.50 | gj_ | why convert is so sloooooooooooow |
| 22:03.07 | gj_ | it takes him over one hour to convert 40 sec mpeg movie to animated gif |
| 22:03.07 | resuDaed | £50? |
| 22:03.10 | OrangeSkies | it's on ebay starting at £200 |
| 22:03.22 | stephen | oh, it's a switch? |
| 22:03.38 | resuDaed | ooh, maybe I am comparitivly skint then |
| 22:03.39 | OrangeSkies | resuDaed: perhaps if i get desperate hehe |
| 22:03.45 | resuDaed | £60? |
| 22:03.59 | OrangeSkies | slightly less desperate |
| 22:04.04 | OrangeSkies | but very slight hehe |
| 22:04.04 | resuDaed | I'd settle for £100 depending on how much I earn next week |
| 22:04.35 | resuDaed | considering my weekly earnings aren't huge (about £200/week atm) |
| 22:04.56 | OrangeSkies | i'll have to consult me partner in crime |
| 22:04.56 | resuDaed | or I could settle for installments |
| 22:05.12 | resuDaed | £200 over 3-4 weeks maybe? |
| 22:05.41 | Jenson | Bloody hell.fucking disruptions and delays on our line due to overhead wiring problems |
| 22:05.45 | OrangeSkies | that's possible yeah |
| 22:05.52 | dankolb | Jenson: Oh? |
| 22:05.53 | Leeds | welcome to UK 2003 :-( |
| 22:06.01 | OrangeSkies | i'll have to check with my mate though |
| 22:06.05 | Jenson | Not on my buit of the line though |
| 22:06.10 | Jenson | So it shouldnt make much difference |
| 22:06.17 | resuDaed | that I'd probably be able to stretch to |
| 22:06.24 | dankolb | :) |
| 22:06.38 | resuDaed | taking into account you nicked it from some office somehwhere (or school/college) |
| 22:06.38 | OrangeSkies | stephen: it's a switch yeh |
| 22:06.51 | stephen | OrangeSkies: it better be for that price :) |
| 22:06.57 | OrangeSkies | haha ur not too far off there |
| 22:07.06 | resuDaed | give me model number and I'll get back to you |
| 22:07.20 | omphe | Since nobody seems to know who I am: http://www.keiko.demon.co.uk/abroad/images/plg_3.jpg |
| 22:07.21 | OrangeSkies | my mates dad had like 4 of the buggers in the office rotting away in a cupboard |
| 22:07.31 | omphe | Though I've no longer got hair. |
| 22:07.31 | OrangeSkies | ok one second... |
| 22:07.36 | Leeds | omphe: hmm... thoughtful |
| 22:07.52 | omphe | Leeds has a fat pipe! |
| 22:08.33 | resuDaed | and I shall consult my partners in crime, we need a new hub for our cluster ... has grown beyond the 6 boxes we had spare on the last hub |
| 22:09.07 | OrangeSkies | resuDaed: model num's 3C16593B |
| 22:09.07 | Leeds | just 512K ADSL... |
| 22:09.29 | OrangeSkies | i know it's been discontinued quite recently but i don't know the reason why |
| 22:09.47 | omphe | Leeds: who with, I'm in the market? |
| 22:12.13 | Leeds | freeserve right now... about to move to BT... |
| 22:12.25 | Leeds | I wouldn't particularly recommend either |
| 22:12.30 | resuDaed | it's retailing new @ $369 |
| 22:12.36 | resuDaed | (trade) |
| 22:13.05 | omphe | Leeds: I was thinking of upgrading my Demon acct, but the web hosting sucks. |
| 22:13.22 | Leeds | if you can afford it, sod.ms sounds really nice |
| 22:14.06 | Jenson | I gotta go, boot into win, burn soome CDs, and go to bed |
| 22:14.08 | Leeds | btw, http://photos.geeksgetrevenge.com/gibraltar/image-073.html is me, a while back... with an ape on my head |
| 22:14.18 | OrangeSkies | resuDaed: i was offered a rather crappy £110 part exch. from CEX before they decided they weren't buying hubs anymore, so i'm working off the assumption that it'd be sold for £200 |
| 22:14.54 | resuDaed | anyway, shall speak tomorrow ... I g2g ... my gf is really going to kill me |
| 22:15.02 | dankolb | Aww |
| 22:15.06 | Leeds | resuDaed: piss off |
| 22:15.08 | dankolb | See you tomorrow, resuDaed |
| 22:15.10 | OrangeSkies | hehe whipped :P |
| 22:15.27 | OrangeSkies | cya tomorrow resuDaed |
| 22:15.36 | resuDaed | laters all ... maybe back later |
| 22:15.47 | dankolb | :) |
| 22:16.07 | OrangeSkies | byes |
| 22:16.19 | omphe | Leeds: Like the sign above your head that says "Apes might bite" |
| 22:16.28 | OrangeSkies | my tarballz wine download has finally finished, could anyone help me out with it perhaps? |
| 22:17.11 | eye69 | Ahhhh |
| 22:17.12 | Leeds | omphe: there are signs everywhere saying "don't touch the apes, don't try to play with them, etc." - taxi driver/tour guide didn't seem to bothered |
| 22:17.24 | Leeds | OrangeSkies: what kind of machine have you got? |
| 22:17.34 | eye69 | Just came out of the shower, having done the weekly shave |
| 22:17.39 | resuDaed | tar zxvf wine*.tar.gz ; cd <wine dir> ; ./configure && make && make install (prolly) |
| 22:17.42 | OrangeSkies | its a P4 1.6 |
| 22:17.52 | resuDaed | OrangeSkies : x86 then |
| 22:17.59 | omphe | Leeds: bet they leave some stubborn stains on the collar! |
| 22:18.00 | Leeds | OrangeSkies: that should be fine - it's just that wine is quite big and can take a while to build... |
| 22:18.04 | OrangeSkies | ur the boss! |
| 22:18.06 | eye69 | Leeds: I'm talking about head |
| 22:18.15 | Leeds | eye69: I didn't need to know that! |
| 22:18.21 | eye69 | Leeds: Heh |
| 22:18.23 | OrangeSkies | Leeds: i read 20-40 minutes |
| 22:18.36 | Leeds | OrangeSkies: that's fair... lots of disk (at least 200Mb) too |
| 22:18.41 | OrangeSkies | think i should do it now? |
| 22:18.46 | Leeds | why not? |
| 22:18.53 | OrangeSkies | i'll be ok there, i have a couple gigabytes left |
| 22:18.55 | eye69 | Leeds: Were you going to bring Sol/x86 tomorrow? |
| 22:19.02 | OrangeSkies | ok, should i close all this then? |
| 22:19.12 | Leeds | eye69: no |
| 22:19.18 | eye69 | Okie |
| 22:19.48 | Leeds | unless you need it for a particular free software project, I can't give out copies - and I'm waiting for a few copies for that |
| 22:22.11 | dpash | evening |
| 22:22.24 | dpash | too much time wasted by starcraft |
| 22:23.06 | Leeds | I don't know why so many ads on Eurosport are for digital cameras... |
| 22:23.29 | Leeds | or for film |
| 22:24.27 | OrangeSkies | Leeds: should i close all my apps before i start building wine? |
| 22:24.53 | Leeds | OrangeSkies: nope... you're using a real OS now :-) |
| 22:24.54 | dankolb | You don't need to |
| 22:25.18 | OrangeSkies | cool :D |
| 22:25.21 | Leeds | just for my sanity... you're not running as root, are you? |
| 22:25.32 | Leeds | nope, alex... |
| 22:25.38 | Leeds | sorry - silly question |
| 22:25.43 | OrangeSkies | hehe no it's alright, i'd had enough of getting shouted at |
| 22:26.02 | eye69 | dankolb: Do you need the cable? |
| 22:26.06 | Leeds | resuDaed: hence my correcting myself - now go away! |
| 22:26.11 | dankolb | eye69: Yes please |
| 22:26.16 | eye69 | dankolb: Got a disk? |
| 22:26.22 | dankolb | What disk? |
| 22:26.26 | eye69 | To connect |
| 22:26.29 | resuDaed | :-( |
| 22:26.38 | dankolb | 68-pin D-type |
| 22:26.42 | eye69 | Cool |
| 22:26.43 | dankolb | It's sitting in a computer ATM |
| 22:26.53 | Leeds | resuDaed: I thought you had somewhere better to be... |
| 22:27.01 | resuDaed | can't find my trainers |
| 22:27.03 | dankolb | Where better than IRC? |
| 22:27.07 | dankolb | Thanks :) |
| 22:28.00 | dankolb | Thanks :) |
| 22:28.06 | resuDaed | np :-) |
| 22:28.41 | eye69 | Anybody interested in an Asus graphics card, geforce 1 DDR, with video in/out and 3d goggles? |
| 22:28.45 | eye69 | 32MB |
| 22:28.54 | eye69 | AGP |
| 22:29.00 | Leeds | 3d googles? |
| 22:29.12 | eye69 | Leeds: Yeah...that part only works in Win though :) |
| 22:29.17 | Leeds | have the birds got jobs? |
| 22:29.25 | murble | Leeds: can you use it for finding things you've lost? |
| 22:29.40 | eye69 | The card isn't free though :) |
| 22:29.44 | dankolb | :-( |
| 22:29.51 | dankolb | Bye resuDaed |
| 22:29.57 | Leeds | not interested anyway... I don't do nvidia... |
| 22:30.16 | stephen | eye69: AGP 1x compatible? and how much? |
| 22:30.28 | gj_ | grrr, i will kill author of convert |
| 22:30.38 | eye69 | stephen: 1-4 |
| 22:30.44 | eye69 | stephen: Dunno...bid |
| 22:30.53 | Leeds | gj_: what are you doing? |
| 22:31.08 | gj_ | i have to convert movie (mpeg) to animated gif |
| 22:31.11 | gj_ | 40 seconds |
| 22:31.18 | gj_ | 512 MB of ram, 2ghz p4 |
| 22:31.20 | eye69 | mencoder |
| 22:31.26 | gj_ | and it takes ~2h |
| 22:31.34 | stephen | eye69: tbh, i have really no clue what it'd be worth |
| 22:31.35 | gj_ | mencoder is not using dither |
| 22:31.40 | gj_ | looks worst than shit |
| 22:31.46 | eye69 | stephen: Me neither |
| 22:31.49 | OrangeSkies | can anyone confirm this as being correct for installing wine? 'tar -zxvf Wine-20030219.tar.gz ; cd /usr/src ; ./configure && make && make install' |
| 22:31.51 | eye69 | stephen: Should I bring it? |
| 22:32.01 | Leeds | 2 hours??? |
| 22:32.04 | Leeds | bad! |
| 22:32.06 | gj_ | yes |
| 22:32.12 | gj_ | OrangeSkies: without cd /usr/src |
| 22:32.23 | gj_ | OrangeSkies: go to dir created from tar |
| 22:32.25 | stephen | eye69: um ok, and i'll see what my bank balance looks like tomorrow, it is supported by X right? |
| 22:32.28 | gj_ | make dep |
| 22:32.29 | gj_ | make |
| 22:32.41 | Leeds | convert it first to a bunch of gifs, then concatenate them? |
| 22:33.03 | gj_ | Leeds: it does not change anything |
| 22:33.17 | gj_ | he is just uncompressing all images to memory ! |
| 22:33.21 | eye69 | stephen: Yes, of course. |
| 22:33.34 | stephen | just checking ;) |
| 22:33.37 | Leeds | gj_: send me the file? animated gif is so passe anyway... |
| 22:33.41 | gj_ | so rigth now i have 512 MB RAM used and almost 900 MB of swap |
| 22:33.46 | OrangeSkies | gj_: thanks |
| 22:33.53 | gj_ | Leeds: gif is now over 100 MB |
| 22:33.59 | gj_ | yet no finished |
| 22:34.01 | gj_ | OrangeSkies: np |
| 22:34.06 | eye69 | stephen: I've been using it for about 2 years, before I changed to a gf4 |
| 22:34.30 | eye69 | stephen: What chipset is on the machine you're planning to run it on? |
| 22:34.55 | eye69 | I had a lot of problems with an older Via apollo pro chipset |
| 22:35.02 | stephen | eye69: not sure, think it is an intel BX of some description |
| 22:35.10 | eye69 | Ok, shouldn't be a problem |
| 22:35.35 | gj_ | but i have to write player for dos, 16 bits real mode |
| 22:35.42 | gj_ | so gif is the best solution |
| 22:35.47 | eye69 | This was an especially bad combination of Tyan mobo with Via chipset and Asus card. |
| 22:35.54 | OrangeSkies | gj_: do i still do the ./configure && make && make install bits? sorry to go on! |
| 22:36.01 | eye69 | dankolb: Bye. See you tomrrow. |
| 22:36.03 | gj_ | OrangeSkies: no |
| 22:36.11 | gj_ | OrangeSkies: cd <winedir> |
| 22:36.17 | gj_ | ./configure |
| 22:36.19 | gj_ | make dep ! |
| 22:36.19 | gj_ | make |
| 22:36.25 | gj_ | make install |
| 22:36.40 | Leeds | you'll probably need to be root to make install |
| 22:36.48 | OrangeSkies | ok thanks very much! god i hate being a newbie |
| 22:36.49 | gj_ | yes |
| 22:36.49 | dpash | crap lexmark wons their injunctino |
| 22:36.59 | gj_ | OrangeSkies: learn fast :) |
| 22:37.08 | dpash | OrangeSkies: but you are on the path to guruness |
| 22:37.12 | zachary | brb |
| 22:37.15 | stephen | eye69: well, looks like you can get new 32mb cards on ebay for £20.00, so would £15 be okay? |
| 22:37.21 | Leeds | starting by building wine from source is pretty good :-) |
| 22:37.35 | dpash | anyone bring a knoppix CD tomorrow with a CD burner? |
| 22:37.47 | gj_ | dpash: i can bring knoppinx |
| 22:37.51 | gj_ | but without burner |
| 22:37.57 | dpash | CD burner anyone? |
| 22:37.57 | Leeds | we've got burners... |
| 22:38.04 | Leeds | and we should have ISOs of a bunch of distros |
| 22:38.10 | Leeds | including knoppix |
| 22:38.13 | gj_ | can take other distros as well |
| 22:38.23 | dpash | gj_: there is only one ;) |
| 22:38.34 | gj_ | debian |
| 22:38.39 | Leeds | I wouldn't worry too much about that stuff, unless you've got something weird |
| 22:38.41 | Leeds | slack |
| 22:38.49 | gj_ | slack is good too |
| 22:38.54 | gj_ | but i prefer debian |
| 22:38.54 | gj_ | :] |
| 22:39.00 | stephen | any downloading you want done before tomorrow I can do |
| 22:39.06 | Leeds | I hate packaging systems... professionally |
| 22:39.14 | gj_ | guys, btw |
| 22:39.18 | dpash | Leeds: yes I know |
| 22:39.20 | Leeds | guys - we've got burners and a fast Janet link at the Uni |
| 22:39.23 | gj_ | is there any shop in London with gagets |
| 22:39.28 | Leeds | don't worry about downloading stuff |
| 22:39.31 | dpash | Leeds: or you wouldn;t be faffing with tarballs |
| 22:39.34 | Leeds | gj_: what do you mean by gadgets? |
| 22:39.36 | gj_ | like, shirts, caps, and so on ? |
| 22:39.37 | dpash | hmmm Janet |
| 22:39.49 | stephen | hmmm Janet in my room :) |
| 22:39.54 | gj_ | sorry, i am not native english |
| 22:39.55 | dpash | stephen: tart |
| 22:39.56 | murble | Leeds: will the burner work this time? |
| 22:40.00 | Leeds | shirts and caps aren't gadgets :-) |
| 22:40.01 | stephen | dpash: lol |
| 22:40.10 | Leeds | murble: I have no idea - I've never tried to use it... |
| 22:40.11 | murble | and are all the machines still locked down and running not linux? |
| 22:40.16 | gj_ | Leeds: what is right word then ? |
| 22:40.23 | dpash | worse thing about leaving was loosing Janet |
| 22:40.26 | Leeds | we've got a lab full of machines with replacable driver to play on |
| 22:40.29 | dpash | but then I was going to uni at leeds |
| 22:40.33 | Leeds | gj_: I'd say geek gear... |
| 22:40.34 | gj_ | convert : 90 minutes, and still running |
| 22:40.38 | gj_ | Leeds: ;) |
| 22:40.48 | gj_ | Leeds: so s///; in my question |
| 22:40.51 | gj_ | and answer |
| 22:40.52 | Leeds | gj_: if you want geek clothes... London isn't the best place |
| 22:41.04 | gj_ | where should i go than |
| 22:41.12 | dpash | gj_: the web |
| 22:41.17 | gj_ | hehehehe |
| 22:41.23 | Leeds | gj_: seriously... |
| 22:41.30 | gj_ | but i am looking for a REAL shop |
| 22:41.35 | gj_ | i know shops on the web |
| 22:42.03 | Leeds | there are no known shops in London (or the UK, AFAIK) which sell geek gear - even in the US, I think it's mainly web-based |
| 22:42.06 | dpash | gj_: does john do any clothes? |
| 22:42.26 | dpash | winters |
| 22:42.41 | Leeds | john has ties and sweaters :-) and the occasional Debian t-shirts, unless people have nicked them to give away :-) |
| 22:42.42 | gj_ | john ? |
| 22:42.57 | gj_ | Leeds: i see |
| 22:43.00 | gj_ | well |
| 22:43.11 | dpash | gj_: john winters of linuxemporium.co.uk |
| 22:43.14 | Leeds | gj_: John is www.linuxemporium.co.uk |
| 22:43.16 | gj_ | it is uselees in web transaction |
| 22:43.21 | dpash | he should be there tomorrow |
| 22:43.27 | Leeds | some places take Electron... |
| 22:43.47 | gj_ | dpash: :* |
| 22:43.51 | dpash | gj_: they give out visa debit |
| 22:43.56 | gj_ | when does it start ? |
| 22:43.58 | gj_ | what time |
| 22:44.02 | dpash | 12:00 |
| 22:44.02 | gj_ | tommorow |
| 22:44.05 | gj_ | good |
| 22:44.13 | gj_ | i don't like to wake in the morning |
| 22:44.14 | gj_ | ;) |
| 22:44.21 | gj_ | any help needed before ? |
| 22:44.25 | dpash | gj_: how far do you have to go? |
| 22:44.33 | gj_ | i will bring only my vaio picture book |
| 22:44.38 | gj_ | with debian of coz ;) |
| 22:44.44 | gj_ | dpash: hanwell |
| 22:45.03 | gj_ | dpash: ealing hospital area |
| 22:45.16 | gj_ | 45-1h by tube |
| 22:45.48 | gj_ | but i should follow geek crawd i guess |
| 22:45.54 | gj_ | and i will get to the place ;] |
| 22:46.15 | gj_ | the only bad thing is the weather |
| 22:46.24 | gj_ | i hate british weather |
| 22:46.53 | Leeds | it's better in Poland? |
| 22:47.03 | *** join/#gllug zachary (~zachary@host217-35-30-128.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 22:47.04 | gj_ | now, no |
| 22:47.06 | gj_ | more snow |
| 22:47.12 | gj_ | but i can snowboard in poland |
| 22:47.17 | Leeds | at least you can ski |
| 22:47.19 | gj_ | what is impossible in UK |
| 22:47.20 | Leeds | stop that! |
| 22:47.30 | gj_ | ? |
| 22:47.33 | Leeds | there is a tiny amount of skiing in Scotland |
| 22:47.38 | dpash | gj_: go to milton keynes, you can ski on snow |
| 22:47.39 | gj_ | i know |
| 22:47.58 | Leeds | I don't like it when someone says the same as me at the same time :-) |
| 22:48.02 | OrangeSkies | 'configure: error: no suitable bison/yacc found. Please install the 'bison' package.' <--- bugger |
| 22:48.11 | dpash | Leeds: ? |
| 22:48.11 | gj_ | about my laptop |
| 22:48.22 | gj_ | i've heard that i need to register any hardware |
| 22:48.26 | gj_ | or something |
| 22:48.34 | gj_ | but laptop is not a desktop PC |
| 22:48.41 | gj_ | i can put it into a bag |
| 22:48.47 | gj_ | in which it ussualy sits |
| 22:49.05 | dpash | hmmm go to http://www.sonyvaio.co.uk |
| 22:49.18 | gj_ | what for |
| 22:49.29 | gj_ | i mean, install fest |
| 22:49.50 | gj_ | i don't like sony for lack of support |
| 22:50.04 | gj_ | to install a bios i need windowsME installed on my pc |
| 22:50.18 | gj_ | from day one i got only linux there |
| 22:50.26 | Leeds | OrangeSkies: so install bison :-) that's a *really* old-school error... |
| 22:50.35 | gj_ | windows was there only for few minutes, on the way from shop -> home |
| 22:50.35 | gj_ | :] |
| 22:50.55 | *** join/#gllug omphe (omphe@keiko.demon.co.uk) |
| 22:51.06 | omphe | Man, dialup sucks!!!! |
| 22:51.21 | gj_ | dialups sucks, not only yours |
| 22:51.24 | Leeds | gj_: they may want the serial number of your machine when you come in, so you can prove when you leave that you're not stealing it |
| 22:51.34 | gj_ | i see |
| 22:51.50 | omphe | Is it safe to pop a 802.11 pcmcia card out or do I need issue a command somewhere? |
| 22:51.51 | gj_ | any signs leading me to that place from nearest tube station ? |
| 22:52.11 | gj_ | omphe: if you have pcmcia demon than no |
| 22:52.22 | gj_ | omphe: if not, take it out and rmmod |
| 22:52.56 | gj_ | on my thing only cdrom pcmcia card couses kernel panic |
| 22:52.59 | Leeds | you can cardctl eject it if you want to |
| 22:53.03 | omphe | I get a "blah, blah unloaded" at the cli when I eject the card and no probs yet. |
| 22:53.04 | gj_ | but it is hardware problem |
| 22:54.01 | gj_ | convert: 103 minutes |
| 22:55.40 | omphe | gj_: http://www.wmin.ac.uk/imagebank/cavmap.jpg |
| 22:55.51 | gj_ | console only :( |
| 22:56.08 | gj_ | but ein momment bitte |
| 22:56.16 | gj_ | i will screen -x on me laptop |
| 22:56.25 | OrangeSkies | Leeds: it's all working nicely... *ooooo's* |
| 22:56.42 | Leeds | good |
| 22:56.46 | gj_ | linux allways works nice |
| 22:56.51 | gj_ | but wine sux anyway |
| 22:56.53 | omphe | kein problem, aber ich habe keine karte ins ascii! |
| 22:57.15 | gj_ | omphe: nain |
| 22:57.25 | gj_ | omphe: i am not speaking german very well |
| 22:57.26 | gj_ | :] |
| 22:57.27 | omphe | will office work on wine!? |
| 22:57.30 | Leeds | oy! English here, please :-) |
| 22:57.39 | gj_ | omphe: you need crosXoffice |
| 22:57.43 | gj_ | i am testing it now |
| 22:57.46 | gj_ | on me laptop |
| 22:57.50 | Leeds | omphe: not really... there is the crossover office, but I'd say go for openoffice/staroffice instead |
| 22:57.58 | omphe | sorry, thought he was german for a moment, sorry, said that I haven't got a map in ASCII |
| 22:58.29 | Leeds | is there no aa-lib version of convert? there should be... |
| 22:58.35 | gj_ | omphe: got this map |
| 22:58.43 | gj_ | omphe: now, which square it is |
| 22:58.57 | omphe | I use OO.org, but there's one last M$ based app that has no Linux alternative yet. |
| 22:58.59 | zachary | i'm off to bed, good night all. |
| 22:59.00 | Leeds | gj_: it's pretty easy... you find the BT tower, and we're in the building next to it... |
| 22:59.05 | omphe | Night zach |
| 22:59.08 | Leeds | night zachary - seeya tomorrow |
| 22:59.20 | gj_ | and what is the neares tube station ? |
| 22:59.37 | gj_ | i can take only district or picadely line |
| 22:59.42 | Leeds | warren street, goodge street, great portland street... I use goodge street |
| 22:59.59 | gj_ | i have to print them |
| 23:00.06 | omphe | I go to Goodge street, take a left left at the first dork with a neon green sign, then its 2 or 3 blocks on the right. |
| 23:00.30 | gj_ | any signs outside building |
| 23:00.33 | gj_ | on the side walk |
| 23:00.56 | Leeds | probably, but you *really* can't miss it - it's the building after the BT tower, if you're coming from TCR |
| 23:01.02 | omphe | last meeting the place was surrounded by plywood construction fencing |
| 23:01.06 | Leeds | you know the BT tower, right? |
| 23:01.14 | gj_ | yes |
| 23:01.28 | Leeds | http://www.firstcity.force9.co.uk/london/london4.htm |
| 23:02.11 | gj_ | www.gj.pld.la/zdjecia/dsc02983.jpg |
| 23:02.13 | gj_ | thats me |
| 23:02.13 | gj_ | :] |
| 23:02.25 | gj_ | if anybody will see that guy, |
| 23:02.28 | Leeds | maybe I should take a few pictures of the route from TCR... we can have a pictoral map :-) |
| 23:02.36 | gj_ | hehehe |
| 23:02.40 | gj_ | for forginers |
| 23:02.44 | gj_ | no problems guys |
| 23:02.55 | gj_ | i am sure i will find the place |
| 23:02.56 | gj_ | ... |
| 23:03.01 | gj_ | soon or a later |
| 23:03.01 | gj_ | :] |
| 23:03.07 | Leeds | got a mobile phone? |
| 23:03.15 | gj_ | yep |
| 23:10.10 | murble | is it the same pub as last time? |
| 23:10.24 | Leeds | AFAIK |
| 23:10.28 | Leeds | yes, it is |
| 23:10.33 | OrangeSkies | http://sunsite.dk/linux-newbie <--- anyone seen this guide before? |
| 23:10.37 | Leeds | hmm... Elvis in German |
| 23:11.10 | Leeds | OrangeSkies: I think I've heard of it... |
| 23:12.35 | OrangeSkies | Leeds: i've printed parts 5 & 7 up for reference but i think they might be a bit out of date, what d'you reckon? |
| 23:13.36 | OrangeSkies | part 5's from 2001 |
| 23:13.38 | Leeds | 5, probably not... |
| 23:14.02 | Leeds | 7, some will be, most not... |
| 23:14.28 | OrangeSkies | cool, thanks |
| 23:14.40 | Leeds | you know about man pages? |
| 23:15.19 | OrangeSkies | i've just spent half an hour sticking numbered post it notes at the start of each section hehe |
| 23:15.31 | OrangeSkies | um kinda |
| 23:15.31 | Leeds | huh? |
| 23:16.50 | OrangeSkies | well there's no page numbers corresponding to different sections |
| 23:17.21 | Leeds | what? |
| 23:17.31 | Leeds | are we talking about the same thing? |
| 23:17.53 | OrangeSkies | we're not are we hehe |
| 23:18.15 | Leeds | what are you talking about? :-) |
| 23:18.31 | OrangeSkies | i was talking bout me silly guides lol |
| 23:18.40 | OrangeSkies | sorry im getting hassled by my gf |
| 23:19.59 | gj_ | convert : 128 minutes |
| 23:20.05 | gj_ | i am getting angry |
| 23:20.32 | Leeds | there's probably a better way to do it - you could probably have written your own tool by now :-) |
| 23:20.59 | gj_ | i will do this sunday |
| 23:21.00 | gj_ | belive me |
| 23:21.03 | gj_ | :] |
| 23:21.53 | omphe | what's taking 128 min? |
| 23:22.27 | gj_ | man convert |
| 23:22.34 | gj_ | converts images |
| 23:22.39 | gj_ | from one format to another |
| 23:22.52 | gj_ | in this case, 1035 jpg files into animated gif |
| 23:23.24 | omphe | why in the world are you creating such a huge animated gif!? |
| 23:23.41 | omphe | Shits and gigles right... |
| 23:24.58 | gj_ | no |
| 23:25.05 | gj_ | i need an 256 colors movie |
| 23:25.19 | gj_ | i am converting to gif to test that way |
| 23:25.24 | gj_ | i have to convert 64 movies |
| 23:25.28 | gj_ | but just once |
| 23:25.31 | gj_ | so i can wait |
| 23:25.58 | gj_ | but probably i will write my own tool |
| 23:26.02 | gj_ | the only problem is |
| 23:26.11 | gj_ | that you need to convert over 1000 images |
| 23:26.15 | gj_ | using the same palette |
| 23:26.20 | gj_ | and use dither |
| 23:26.29 | gj_ | becouse otherwise it looks like crap |
| 23:27.31 | omphe | Why not script it to a web page or convert images to frames in gimp? |
| 23:27.43 | Leeds | ooh! gimp - hadn't thought of that |
| 23:27.48 | dpash | gj_: omphe using convert et al is much easier |
| 23:27.51 | gj_ | omphe: i need one palette ! |
| 23:28.02 | gj_ | something has to find the best one |
| 23:28.02 | dpash | you can do it all from the command line |
| 23:28.05 | gj_ | and convert |
| 23:28.09 | gj_ | exactly |
| 23:28.16 | gj_ | convert is good |
| 23:28.25 | gj_ | but this program is written for short animations |
| 23:28.36 | gj_ | so he loads everything into memory.... |
| 23:28.46 | omphe | not arguing, just trying to determine purpose by looking at it from all angles. |
| 23:28.48 | Leeds | gimp is scriptable, AFAIK |
| 23:28.49 | gj_ | i have right now over 1.5GB or memory used...a |
| 23:28.57 | gj_ | it is |
| 23:29.02 | *** join/#gllug cupis (~paul@modem-998.alligator.dialup.pol.co.uk) |
| 23:29.13 | omphe | Leeds: if you can write simple Perl gimp is way scriptable |
| 23:29.19 | gj_ | i've started to write some short program using imagemagic lib |
| 23:29.20 | gj_ | in C |
| 23:29.30 | dpash | gj_: can't you use convert to turn it into a set of images, run a for loop over them and then turn it back into a movie? |
| 23:29.51 | gj_ | dpash: problem (1) is palette |
| 23:29.56 | dpash | gj_: I'm sure there is a perl/python interface |
| 23:29.58 | gj_ | i need ONE good |
| 23:30.03 | gj_ | i prefer C |
| 23:30.06 | dpash | hi cupis |
| 23:30.12 | gj_ | perl is good |
| 23:30.35 | gj_ | haven't meet him yet ;) |
| 23:30.39 | cupis | hi dpash |
| 23:31.54 | cupis | evening all |
| 23:32.18 | Leeds | hey cupis |
| 23:32.44 | gj_ | it is very funny |
| 23:33.00 | gj_ | linux |
| 23:33.01 | gj_ | :] |
| 23:33.10 | cupis | hey Leeds. how goes it? |
| 23:33.49 | Leeds | not to bad... |
| 23:34.46 | gj_ | www.7thguard.net/news.php?id=2724 |
| 23:34.50 | gj_ | it is in polish |
| 23:34.56 | dpash | cupis: tomorrow |
| 23:34.58 | gj_ | but, letter below is in english |
| 23:35.02 | gj_ | please read it |
| 23:35.06 | gj_ | it is 100xrotfl |
| 23:35.46 | Leeds | OrangeSkies: how's it going? |
| 23:36.02 | Leeds | gj_: I saw that earlier on... hang on |
| 23:36.13 | gj_ | Leeds: good, isn't it |
| 23:36.21 | gj_ | i guess microsoft wrote a worm |
| 23:36.29 | gj_ | to search for warezes :] |
| 23:36.47 | Leeds | not MS... BSA |
| 23:36.56 | Leeds | I saw it with a couple of replys |
| 23:37.04 | gj_ | where ? |
| 23:37.32 | Leeds | http://distribution.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?msgId=581265&listName=dev |
| 23:37.35 | gj_ | it is funny to press restart in crossXover |
| 23:37.46 | gj_ | windows was restarted fine [OK] |
| 23:37.46 | gj_ | :] |
| 23:37.55 | gj_ | after 10 sec |
| 23:38.04 | omphe | is crossXover a pay product? |
| 23:38.11 | gj_ | yes |
| 23:38.26 | gj_ | made by guys that are doing wine |
| 23:38.35 | omphe | right |
| 23:38.36 | gj_ | french wine :] |
| 23:38.57 | gj_ | Wine Is Not Emulator |
| 23:38.58 | gj_ | :] |
| 23:39.06 | Leeds | codeweavers |
| 23:39.08 | omphe | wish somebody would put together NetMD tools for Linux. then I could ditch M$ altogether |
| 23:39.17 | Leeds | netMD? |
| 23:39.24 | Leeds | oh, the Sony shit? |
| 23:39.27 | cupis | Sony Minidisc |
| 23:39.40 | gj_ | sony now is doing linux stuff |
| 23:39.45 | gj_ | embeded |
| 23:39.52 | Leeds | you buy into a proprietary platform, you get what you pay for... |
| 23:39.58 | Leeds | gj_: you mean the PS2 stuff? |
| 23:40.01 | gj_ | no |
| 23:40.13 | gj_ | some software for their tvs, dvds and so on |
| 23:40.25 | gj_ | so they don't have to write their own OS for each device |
| 23:40.39 | omphe | Leeds: I'm not adverse to using what I pay for either(M$/Sony) but I do prefer a Linux environment. |
| 23:40.53 | OrangeSkies | Leeds: it's goin smashing ta, i just need to work out what to do with the wine config file, install half life and i'll be sorted :) |
| 23:41.32 | Leeds | OrangeSkies: do you know what man pages are? ;-) |
| 23:41.38 | gj_ | guys in company were pretty supprised that i don't need any pcmcia driver for cards they are buying me |
| 23:41.45 | gj_ | on my sony vaio laptop |
| 23:41.50 | Leeds | omphe: I have no problem paying for stuff... I have plenty of problem paying for proprietary stuff |
| 23:42.02 | gj_ | but, sony didn't wrote even a one line in those drivers... |
| 23:42.07 | cupis | OrangeSkies: what distro? does it supply winesetuptk ? |
| 23:42.41 | Leeds | omphe: when I say proprietary, I mean 'closed' in the sense that they don't publish protocols and formats, so I have to use their software, etc... |
| 23:42.43 | cupis | Leeds: like intel, for example? |
| 23:43.07 | OrangeSkies | cupis: it's 20030219... and i've no idea :) *goes to look* |
| 23:43.28 | omphe | I agree, but when you are given a gift like a MD, and the USB interface shows as much potential, I'd like to see it opened up like so much other kit we all enjoy. |
| 23:43.34 | Leeds | cupis: I have, at home, Linux on StrongARM, Athlon, Celeron, PowerPC, and Solaris on SPARC... I have no problem with platforms as long as they have fully published specs |
| 23:43.37 | cupis | OrangeSkies: seperate package to wine |
| 23:43.44 | Leeds | omphe: if it was free, okay... if you paid for it, sorry :-( |
| 23:44.13 | OrangeSkies | cupis: what does that mean? |
| 23:44.56 | cupis | OrangeSkies: where did you install wine from? see if they can also supply winesetup or winesetuptk - it will make configuring wine easier |
| 23:44.58 | Leeds | OrangeSkies: it's not part of wine - it's a package made by someone else to configure wine |
| 23:45.08 | gj_ | product might be closed, but at least protocol should be open |
| 23:45.13 | Leeds | gj_: exactly |
| 23:45.15 | cupis | OrangeSkies: what distro? |
| 23:45.20 | omphe | Leeds: open/proprietary aside, I'd like to see somebody running in the rain with a fscking Archos Jukebox. Sony does weatherproof better than anyone. |
| 23:45.31 | OrangeSkies | of linux you mean? |
| 23:45.32 | omphe | gj_: I agree |
| 23:45.42 | cupis | OrangeSkies: yes |
| 23:45.44 | gj_ | i had to reverse few devices protocols in my life |
| 23:45.48 | gj_ | it is a night mare |
| 23:45.51 | OrangeSkies | mandrake 9.0 |
| 23:46.04 | OrangeSkies | i'm building up a tolerance to embarrassment |
| 23:46.05 | gj_ | good distro for begginers |
| 23:46.11 | gj_ | not that crappy as redhat |
| 23:46.17 | OrangeSkies | yep that's what i read |
| 23:46.18 | gj_ | and very good designed |
| 23:46.27 | gj_ | OrangeSkies: try to avoid redhat |
| 23:46.37 | omphe | Is mandrake still in the running? |
| 23:46.40 | gj_ | yes |
| 23:46.49 | gj_ | in few weeks time they will release 9.1 |
| 23:46.54 | cupis | omphe: just about |
| 23:47.01 | gj_ | and if they will fail, it will be an open project |
| 23:47.03 | gj_ | like debian |
| 23:47.03 | Leeds | the company is pretty screwed, but the tech is fine :-) |
| 23:47.09 | omphe | Dunno why I thought they were in trouble. |
| 23:47.21 | gj_ | that is why i bought last 9.0 |
| 23:47.25 | gj_ | and i will buy 9.1 |
| 23:47.35 | gj_ | before i was just downloading it |
| 23:47.41 | OrangeSkies | gj_: redhats installed at the uni i'm planning on going to in 2004 |
| 23:47.47 | gj_ | many guys will do the same |
| 23:47.56 | omphe | I've been tempted to try it, but I've put some time into debian and can't see why I should switch. |
| 23:47.56 | gj_ | so i guess 9.1 will bring proffit |
| 23:48.06 | Leeds | omphe: the company has been given bankruptcy protection by the French courts - they can't pay their bills, but it's temporary, so the courts are protecting them from creditors until things improve |
| 23:48.15 | gj_ | if you got few boxes as i |
| 23:48.19 | cupis | OrangeSkies: do you have a 'winesetup' or 'winesetuptk' program already installed? |
| 23:48.24 | gj_ | you can try on others as well |
| 23:48.45 | OrangeSkies | cupis: unless something installed it for me then no i don't |
| 23:49.00 | OrangeSkies | where should i be looking? |
| 23:49.13 | Leeds | cupis: for reference, OrangeSkies installed wine from a source tarball... |
| 23:49.33 | cupis | Leeds: ah |
| 23:49.38 | cupis | Leeds: tnx |
| 23:49.41 | cupis | OrangeSkies: hold |
| 23:49.45 | gj_ | convert : 157 |
| 23:49.57 | OrangeSkies | cupis: k :) (thanks Leeds hehe) |
| 23:50.24 | OrangeSkies | (though i fear he may mistake me for someone with intelligence now) |
| 23:51.00 | Leeds | who, me? |
| 23:51.09 | OrangeSkies | no, cupis |
| 23:51.21 | Leeds | trust me, I have a lot of respect for someone who is new to Linux, but happy to install Wine from source... |
| 23:51.59 | OrangeSkies | hehe well it did go straight over my head |
| 23:52.09 | gj_ | why printing is so slow under linux :( |
| 23:52.16 | cupis | OrangeSkies: download winesetuptk_0.6.0b-1.tar.gz from ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/pool/main/w/winesetuptk and compile it. Then you can use winesetuptk to configure wine. Of course, you may find it easier to configure manually. |
| 23:52.25 | OrangeSkies | i don't really understand why i had to compile it etc |
| 23:52.40 | OrangeSkies | cupis: thanks very much i'll do it right away :) |
| 23:52.40 | gj_ | OrangeSkies: try to find it on rpmsearch.net |
| 23:53.29 | cupis | OrangeSkies: if you run mandrakes control center and go to 'software installation' (or something), can you not find wine and/or winesetuptk in the list of software with easy install packages? |
| 23:54.03 | OrangeSkies | cupis: i didn't look! *does so* |
| 23:55.10 | OrangeSkies | gj_: would that be a non-source download, from rpmsearch.net? |
| 23:55.33 | gj_ | yes |
| 23:55.38 | gj_ | a package |
| 23:55.39 | cupis | OrangeSkies: yes |
| 23:55.40 | gj_ | probably |
| 23:55.44 | gj_ | i cannot tell you |
| 23:55.46 | OrangeSkies | cupis: wine is there but it looks like an older version so i thought it best to download the latest |
| 23:55.50 | gj_ | i am just putting apt-get install wine* |
| 23:55.51 | gj_ | :] |
| 23:55.57 | OrangeSkies | wouldn't that be simpler? |
| 23:56.01 | gj_ | yes and no |
| 23:56.10 | OrangeSkies | hehe |
| 23:56.14 | OrangeSkies | oh the confusion |
| 23:56.24 | cupis | gj_: a very elf-ish answer |
| 23:56.32 | gj_ | hehehe |
| 23:56.37 | gj_ | cupis: right |
| 23:56.40 | gj_ | OrangeSkies: hmm |
| 23:57.03 | gj_ | OrangeSkies: running from sources does not give you a chance to uninstall it gracefully |
| 23:57.16 | gj_ | OrangeSkies: that is why we have rpms, debs, tgz and so on |
| 23:57.26 | gj_ | OrangeSkies: that is why package is better |
| 23:57.31 | OrangeSkies | gj_: well... i can worry about that when the time comes :) |
| 23:57.40 | cupis | gj_: not true. It does if you install to $HOME or /usr/local etc |
| 23:58.01 | gj_ | OrangeSkies: on the other side, if you don't have the same enviroment as guy that was making package you will have to add on some other packages on your system |
| 23:58.04 | omphe | Anybody know if I need to bring a power lead tomorrow? |
| 23:58.14 | gj_ | cupis: yes |
| 23:58.16 | cupis | omphe: for what? |
| 23:58.16 | OrangeSkies | i installed wine to /usr/src/winxxxxxxx |
| 23:58.26 | OrangeSkies | *winexxxxx |
| 23:58.32 | cupis | OrangeSkies: um... |
| 23:58.34 | Leeds | installed to /usr/src? |
| 23:58.39 | omphe | P90 box I need assistance putting Smoothwall on. |
| 23:58.47 | gj_ | /usr/src is for kernel and simmilar stuff |
| 23:58.49 | Leeds | omphe: we should have power |
| 23:58.55 | gj_ | in rpm based systems also to keep rpms |
| 23:59.15 | cupis | omphe: unlikely - hijeck one from the existing terminals there, or buy one for a quid or two. or borrow one, etc |
| 23:59.23 | cupis | omphe: smoothwall? ick. |
| 23:59.42 | cupis | gj_: /usr/src is for source. doesn't have to be only the kernel. |
