| 00:03.03 | highbury | not much to say or ask perhaps? |
| 00:04.20 | dpash | I kinda meant eveyone going to bed |
| 00:06.28 | highbury | some people are still up :-) |
| 00:09.57 | murble | they are. |
| 00:10.03 | murble | but they should be sleeping. |
| 00:10.55 | dpash | murble: like you? |
| 00:11.11 | dpash | s/\?/? :)/ |
| 00:14.45 | murble | yes. |
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| 00:29.18 | formi_gone | /clear |
| 00:29.30 | formi_gone | /piss off |
| 00:29.53 | formi | sorry for the last one |
| 00:30.06 | formi | was shouting at xchat |
| 00:30.30 | formi | not specifically |
| 00:30.35 | dpash | okay |
| 00:30.49 | dpash | xchat not that annoying then |
| 00:30.52 | formi | the // fooled me |
| 00:31.25 | formi | Im hunting again for a debiniate? |
| 00:31.39 | formi | de-bin |
| 00:31.52 | dpash | debianite? |
| 00:31.52 | formi | or whatever they call themselves |
| 00:32.08 | formi | or a dibian |
| 00:32.28 | formi | sorry, taking the piss |
| 00:32.54 | formi | debian guru is the right denomination |
| 00:33.09 | formi | driver-1.bin |
| 00:33.26 | formi | what's the file system of that? |
| 00:33.36 | formi | it's one of the install floppies |
| 00:34.57 | eye69 | formi: What are you trying to do? |
| 00:35.12 | formi | have a peek at whatever is on the floppy |
| 00:35.35 | formi | fdisk doesn't recognize the fs |
| 00:36.48 | dpash | eye69: I imagine that you need all 4 parts to make a fs |
| 00:37.02 | dpash | I think it is dd'ed off and joined |
| 00:37.21 | formi | well the machine booted with only rescue and root |
| 00:37.42 | formi | and then asked me how to procede with the install |
| 00:38.04 | formi | which looks odd to me rescue ~ install |
| 00:38.47 | formi | eye69: im trying to boot the system, mount / ufs and copy a file |
| 00:39.25 | dpash | formi: you need all 4 driver disks to use them |
| 00:39.59 | formi | there were only 3 |
| 00:40.10 | formi | dpash: this is sparc debian |
| 00:40.20 | dpash | formi: okay |
| 00:41.13 | formi | if that means anything |
| 00:41.17 | cupis | formi: I think you need all of the driver disks to use any of them - iirc, they contain a split tgz of the drivers (/lib/modules) |
| 00:42.35 | formi | well the system completely booted with root and rescue, i don't know how to "introduce" the drivers one |
| 00:43.15 | cupis | formi: you need to create disks with each of drivers-[1..3].bin on, using dd |
| 00:43.37 | cupis | in the same way as you created the root and rescue disks |
| 00:44.04 | cupis | the three disks make up the file modules.tgz, when joined |
| 00:45.34 | dpash | and then choose the menu option for drivers/modules |
| 00:48.33 | cupis | formi: if you have all of the driver-?.bin files, you should be able to join them yourself and extract and modules in particular that you like |
| 00:49.41 | cupis | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-boot-floppy-techinfo.en.html#s10.4 |
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| 00:56.07 | formi | cupis IT IS SPARC |
| 00:56.57 | cupis | formi: I don't think that the install guide is particularly arch-dependant in this case. |
| 00:57.10 | cupis | If you can explain why the instuctions there won't work... |
| 00:58.52 | formi | there is only 1 drivers image |
| 00:59.15 | formi | by the way i found the kernel doesn't have ufs support |
| 00:59.33 | highbury | formi: are you saying you wanted to load the drivers, but weren't given the option to load them? |
| 01:00.28 | highbury | btw formi, does this mean you've given up with Solaris? |
| 01:01.35 | formi | im trying to fix solaris |
| 01:01.51 | formi | that is why i need to mount the ufs filesystem |
| 01:02.24 | formi | /etc/passwd first line seems to be missing |
| 01:02.44 | formi | so it won't boot properly complaining there is no root user |
| 01:03.38 | formi | my idea was to use the debian floppies to retrive that file, fix it, and put it back |
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| 01:05.48 | formi | highbury: I am off the opinion that even solaris is more interesting than debian |
| 01:07.08 | highbury | :-) |
| 01:07.52 | formi | appart i have just read http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-sparc/3.0.23-2002-05-21/sun4cdm/kernel-config |
| 01:08.14 | formi | and im wondering what the hell do those guys smoke |
| 01:08.44 | dpash | formi: better stuff then most? |
| 01:09.10 | formi | ups |
| 01:09.16 | formi | i found it |
| 01:09.26 | formi | there is a ufs module |
| 01:09.53 | highbury | your probably really need to find a cd for the box, anyway |
| 01:10.13 | highbury | s/cd/cdrom drive/ |
| 01:10.27 | formi | why? |
| 01:10.47 | formi | I don't have the solaries cd |
| 01:11.18 | highbury | I can bring you Solaris 7 CD set for you on Saturday |
| 01:11.49 | formi | I suppose solars can be installed by nfs |
| 01:12.11 | formi | if that's true I'll appreciate the cds |
| 01:13.01 | highbury | but you then faced with confirguring a net install / jumpstart server, if you don't have access to local cd drive |
| 01:13.30 | formi | I was going to mention taking my removable harddisk, but after last time i don't think so |
| 01:13.49 | formi | will I need to set up tftp? |
| 01:14.29 | highbury | Do you have a Sun Server to host the cd's? |
| 01:14.36 | formi | nope |
| 01:14.55 | formi | wouldn't linux, *bsd suffice? |
| 01:15.02 | highbury | if you trying to do this from Linux, it sounds IMHO non-trivial |
| 01:16.18 | highbury | I've done this lots of times the *normal* way, and couple probably fake it up, but I'd need access to a Sun Server to check the configuration. |
| 01:16.51 | highbury | You probably should try looking on the Sun related website for some clues |
| 01:17.06 | highbury | s/couple/could/ |
| 01:17.18 | formi | it there is a way I could try it |
| 01:17.46 | highbury | it is hard |
| 01:18.17 | murble | higbury: various people have documented how to do it. |
| 01:18.20 | formi | i have a toshiba cdrom |
| 01:18.57 | formi | which was working intermitenly about one and a half years ago |
| 01:19.03 | highbury | murble: I'm sure its theoretically possible, can you give formi some pointers |
| 01:19.27 | formi | I might dust it and see if it holds just for the install |
| 01:19.32 | murble | http://www.sunmanagers.org/pipermail/sunmanagers/2002-February/009984.html |
| 01:19.38 | murble | first thing that came up in tgoogle. |
| 01:19.46 | highbury | youd have to set up, rarpd/tftp/nfs server |
| 01:20.16 | formi | shouldn't be much of a problem |
| 01:20.44 | formi | unless nis is involved |
| 01:21.15 | murble | nought wrong with yp/nis, just avoid nis+ like the plauge |
| 01:21.28 | highbury | :-) |
| 01:21.39 | highbury | NIS is nice .. |
| 01:23.03 | highbury | formi is your SPARC scsi or ide based? |
| 01:23.26 | murble | scsi, it is an ss5 |
| 01:24.04 | highbury | ok, you just need to beg/steal/borrow and external cd drive |
| 01:24.59 | formi | isn't the spare connector inside just a normal scsi cdrom connector? |
| 01:25.21 | highbury | yep |
| 01:25.39 | highbury | do you have a spare scsi cd drive? |
| 01:25.58 | formi | I have one which was working intermitenly about one and a half years ago |
| 01:26.12 | formi | I havent used it since |
| 01:26.56 | highbury | try it, or borrow one. |
| 01:27.27 | formi | Simon has a few |
| 01:27.35 | highbury | I have a spare SCSI cd-rom drive, which I'll try to remember to bring along on Saturday |
| 01:27.48 | formi | plugged to one of the boxes used for forensic replication |
| 01:28.28 | formi | he might scream at me if i mention taking them out |
| 01:28.29 | highbury | just check the cable endings are compatible |
| 01:29.18 | formi | i'll pass on asking him, that gear is pretty expensive |
| 01:29.22 | highbury | usually you'll need 50-pin micro-d connectors on the SS5 side, IIRC |
| 01:30.10 | highbury | well, my drive should be fine. It just got obsoleted by a SCSI DVD drive in my machine a year ago |
| 01:30.13 | formi | the connector looks just like the one that i had for mi cdrom |
| 01:31.35 | formi | i miss my tosh 10x, it was much faster than the 24x ide i have now |
| 01:32.44 | highbury | well, it bed time for me now |
| 01:32.55 | formi | im off as well |
| 01:33.03 | formi | Ill reming you on friday |
| 01:33.13 | formi | good night |
| 01:33.16 | highbury | ok formi, nite |
| 01:33.26 | formi | murble: go to sleep! |
| 01:49.38 | murble | nn |
| 02:17.10 | dpash | night all |
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| 07:21.58 | zachary | good morning |
| 07:38.43 | Tarragon | Morning |
| 07:59.53 | murble | good morning |
| 08:56.46 | dank_work | Morning |
| 09:00.44 | highbury | morning |
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| 09:20.37 | dpash | morning |
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| 09:31.27 | jenson | hey guys |
| 09:32.12 | zachary | morning jenson |
| 09:32.25 | jenson | hi zachary |
| 09:33.35 | dpash | any cvs gurus around? |
| 09:34.13 | jenson | morning dpash |
| 09:37.22 | dpash | hi |
| 09:40.14 | dank_work | Hi jenson |
| 09:40.21 | dank_work | dpash: Not really |
| 09:40.25 | dank_work | But I use it in anger |
| 09:41.04 | dank_work | DLT tapes make satisfying thuds when thrown into the bin |
| 09:49.28 | SpudULike | I would expect anything recorded by Dave Lee Travis would be better thrown away. |
| 09:49.53 | dank_work | Oh? |
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| 09:50.20 | SpudULike | Pee? |
| 09:50.39 | dank_work | Chamberpot |
| 09:50.55 | Tarragon | Potty |
| 09:51.00 | dank_work | She went potty! |
| 09:51.45 | SpudULike | "We don't wish to know that!" |
| 09:51.56 | dank_work | You brought it up |
| 09:52.27 | SpudULike | You started it with "oh?" |
| 09:52.47 | dank_work | yeah, in relation to Dave Lee Travis |
| 09:52.55 | dank_work | But then jenson joined, and you said Pee? |
| 09:53.13 | SpudULike | But you've been throwing his tapes away! You started it! |
| 09:53.20 | dank_work | Ahh... |
| 09:53.29 | SpudULike | Esscetera! |
| 09:53.40 | dank_work | It's too early in the morning for confuseration |
| 10:02.37 | jenson | lol heya SpudULike |
| 10:17.02 | dank_work | confuserisation, even |
| 10:17.27 | SpudULike | Hey J - Looking forward to Saturday? |
| 10:17.52 | dank_work | Of course she is - she gets to see me :) |
| 10:18.13 | dank_work | Who wouldn't look forward to that? ;-) |
| 10:18.15 | SpudULike | You need the rough to appreciate the smooth, I know! |
| 10:18.49 | jenson | lol |
| 10:18.57 | jenson | And I get to meet loads of people |
| 10:19.05 | SpudULike | You need the rough to appreciate the smooth, I know! |
| 10:19.09 | SpudULike | ;-) |
| 10:19.47 | dank_work | Bah. People. Overrated. They cause nothing but trouble. |
| 10:19.52 | jenson | True |
| 10:19.57 | dank_work | America wouldn't be in the mess it's in now, if it wasn't for people. |
| 10:20.14 | jenson | yeah |
| 10:27.04 | dpash | either that or competely rewrite my firewall script in perl |
| 10:28.07 | dpash | dank_work: any why would I want OpenBSD? |
| 10:28.15 | dank_work | Because the firewalling is nice |
| 10:28.18 | dank_work | And actually readable |
| 10:28.28 | dpash | dank_work: so is iptables |
| 10:28.40 | dank_work | Hah |
| 10:28.51 | dank_work | So's Sanskrit, if you take the time to learn it |
| 10:29.30 | dpash | dank_work: I never mentioned what my firewall was |
| 10:30.05 | dpash | dank_work: I have a firewall on a CD |
| 10:30.33 | Tarragon | Neil Fryer is back just for eye69 ! |
| 10:30.35 | dpash | it was enough work making it using linux. I don't fancy repeating the exercise. |
| 10:30.47 | jenson | hi Tarragon |
| 10:30.50 | dpash | who is Neil? |
| 10:31.49 | dank_work | Hehe :) |
| 10:31.54 | dank_work | Anyway, time for a meeting :( |
| 10:32.18 | jenson | awww see ya at lunch then Dan |
| 10:32.27 | jenson | I have to go soon too |
| 10:32.37 | dank_work | Okay |
| 10:32.41 | Tarragon | dpash: Neil is someone who posts to the GLLUG mailing list and winds people up. |
| 10:33.11 | jenson | :) |
| 10:33.18 | SpudULike | As a byproduct. I don't think he means to. |
| 10:33.45 | jenson | I'll have to watch out for him methinks |
| 10:34.05 | jenson | It smells like food in here, making me hungry |
| 10:34.34 | SpudULike | Ah, yes, must get my dinner from last night. |
| 10:34.52 | jenson | lol probably |
| 10:36.09 | jenson | Anyway I ought to go to |
| 10:36.17 | jenson | See you at lunch guys |
| 10:40.43 | jenson | dpash: Which reply was you? |
| 10:40.58 | dpash | the one from david pashley? |
| 10:41.07 | jenson | oh yeah its here now |
| 10:41.15 | jenson | bloody slow lycos |
| 10:41.26 | jenson | have to use lycos webmail in IE |
| 10:42.20 | jenson | Anyway I really am going now |
| 10:42.22 | jenson | Cya |
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| 10:49.45 | KMD | Morning people... |
| 10:50.09 | Tarragon | morning |
| 10:50.45 | KMD | Do you know when the next fest is goona be ? |
| 10:50.55 | Tarragon | Saturday |
| 10:51.19 | KMD | Great... |
| 10:51.41 | KMD | thanks Tarragon |
| 10:53.54 | dpash | everyone I work with were born in a field |
| 10:54.53 | Tarragon | Rural office? |
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| 10:55.52 | dpash | I work in the sticks, but that is no reason to leave the bloody door open all the time |
| 10:56.18 | dpash | argh why does assigning to a variable in shell remove newlines |
| 11:04.36 | highbury | it depends on how you do it dpash |
| 11:06.15 | dpash | highbury: what do you mean? |
| 11:06.31 | dpash | foo=$(cat /etc/ipsec.d/webnet-parguild.tunnel | sed -e 's/#.*$//') |
| 11:06.39 | dpash | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:06.56 | dpash | I get the whole var back in the grep |
| 11:07.36 | highbury | foo="$(cat /etc/ipsec.d/webnet-parguild.tunnel | sed -e 's/#.*$//')" |
| 11:07.40 | highbury | or |
| 11:07.58 | highbury | foo=`cat /etc/ipsec.d/webnet-parguild.tunnel | sed -e 's/#.*$//'` |
| 11:08.07 | highbury | whoops |
| 11:08.14 | highbury | foo="`cat /etc/ipsec.d/webnet-parguild.tunnel | sed -e 's/#.*$//'`" |
| 11:08.20 | dpash | no different using "" |
| 11:08.33 | dpash | highbury: I refuse to backticks |
| 11:08.52 | highbury | echo "$foo" | grep auto |
| 11:09.11 | highbury | back ticks are POSIX compliant |
| 11:09.27 | dpash | echo -e "$foo" | grep auto |
| 11:09.41 | dpash | that works |
| 11:09.45 | dpash | highbury: so are $() |
| 11:11.47 | Huhn | moin |
| 11:12.32 | dpash | good video? |
| 11:13.58 | Huhn | great videos ;) |
| 11:14.36 | Huhn | old animated Russian films, about the question if there is life on Mars ;) |
| 11:14.49 | Huhn | in Russian language, very funny ;) |
| 11:15.54 | dpash | subtitled? |
| 11:16.56 | Huhn | da |
| 11:18.09 | SpudULike | I've been to some 'specialist' video shops in my time......... |
| 11:20.06 | skugg | SpudULike, the ones down TCR perhaps? :) |
| 11:20.15 | skugg | hi and good morning by the way |
| 11:20.19 | Huhn | hi skugg |
| 11:20.22 | Huhn | hi SpudULike |
| 11:21.06 | dpash | SpudULike: do they have blacked out windows? |
| 11:21.22 | skugg | <-- sat up coding until 6 am and fixed his memory leaks and illegal writes |
| 11:21.27 | SpudULike | I have them nearer home, but, yeah, I know where you're coming from! |
| 11:21.52 | SpudULike | Hi Huhn. |
| 11:23.41 | murble | good morning? |
| 11:25.12 | skugg | good morning murble |
| 11:25.24 | skugg | well, it is for me. i just got up |
| 11:27.01 | murble | I've got into work. |
| 11:27.18 | murble | I'm migrating our NT server to Linux today, if i can find the disk space. |
| 11:32.55 | dpash | murble: is it just file and print? |
| 11:33.07 | dpash | or is it a PDC too? |
| 11:38.45 | murble | dpash: it is also a PDC. |
| 11:39.50 | murble | The fun will be dealing with the disks, since they are using an adaptec ide raid controller, and i'm not sure how good the linux support for that is. |
| 11:47.01 | dpash | murble: so you are setting up samba as a PDC? |
| 11:47.12 | dpash | you still have windows clients? |
| 11:54.09 | dank_work | Bibble |
| 11:56.16 | murble | dpash: One windows client only. |
| 12:09.18 | dpash | nice coffee? |
| 12:18.38 | Huhn | thanks, yes |
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| 12:57.21 | dank_work | Hi paul |
| 12:57.30 | nasrat | Hi |
| 12:58.23 | dank_work | how's it going? |
| 12:58.58 | nasrat | not bad - bit bored at work |
| 12:59.07 | dank_work | Hence IRC? :) |
| 12:59.17 | nasrat | yup |
| 13:00.38 | dank_work | Fair enough |
| 13:02.23 | dpash | LOL, amazon.com are selling segways |
| 13:02.29 | dpash | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00007EPJ6/ref=segway_tn_left/102-2818565-7349733 |
| 13:02.48 | dank_work | Heh |
| 13:02.59 | dpash | Price: $4,950.00 |
| 13:03.50 | dank_work | Ow |
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| 14:12.41 | dpash | w00t firewall now automagically adds configured VPNs |
| 14:17.10 | dpash | anyone use ip often? |
| 14:32.12 | nasrat | as in iproute2? |
| 14:45.11 | Clyphox | Hi |
| 14:46.57 | nasrat | lo |
| 14:47.07 | dank_work | hi Clyphox |
| 14:47.10 | Clyphox | Hey all |
| 14:47.19 | Clyphox | Hows life? |
| 14:47.21 | dank_work | You being allowed back on IRC? ;-) |
| 14:47.30 | dank_work | Acceptable |
| 14:47.34 | Clyphox | hehe.. no she's not that bad :) |
| 14:48.09 | dank_work | Heh :) |
| 14:48.14 | dank_work | Only when you don't go to her lectures? |
| 14:55.10 | eye69 | mms://wm.amazon.usa.speedera.net/wm.amazon.usa/vid/General_use_high.wmv |
| 15:03.36 | Clyphox | gah.. wmv.. |
| 15:04.20 | eye69 | Works fine with mplayer. |
| 15:05.18 | Clyphox | I know.. |
| 15:05.30 | Clyphox | Just havn't got anything on this ol laptop yet.. |
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| 15:28.28 | Clyphox | cya all later maybe... |
| 15:28.38 | dank_work | bye |
| 15:28.43 | dank_work | Disappearing somewhere? |
| 15:29.06 | Clyphox|away | yupp sry.. lie :-) |
| 15:29.12 | dank_work | lie? |
| 15:29.21 | Clyphox|away | screenn rocks ;-) |
| 15:29.29 | dank_work | IT does rather |
| 15:29.33 | Clyphox|away | ohh er.. life |
| 15:29.44 | dank_work | :) |
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| 15:55.49 | dank_work | hullo jenson |
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| 15:56.05 | jenson | hey dan |
| 15:56.13 | jenson | re steev |
| 15:56.28 | dank_work | Hi steev |
| 15:56.36 | SpudULike | Steev, you set for Sunday??? |
| 15:56.51 | nasrat | hi steev |
| 16:03.05 | steev | if by 'set' you mean 'going', then yes |
| 16:03.20 | steev | hi everyone else |
| 16:03.21 | dank_work | heh |
| 16:06.03 | murble | what is wrong with nonfreeness? |
| 16:06.24 | dpash | murble: it means that pangopdf and xmlroff must be contrib, not main |
| 16:06.27 | murble | or are you a debian developer? |
| 16:06.34 | dpash | not quite |
| 16:06.36 | murble | dpash: like open office. |
| 16:06.36 | dpash | almost |
| 16:06.45 | dpash | er yeah |
| 16:06.56 | dpash | I think that is because it build-deps on non-free |
| 16:07.00 | murble | well even madkiss is a debian developer |
| 16:07.11 | Huhn | murble: waaaaaaaaah |
| 16:07.13 | murble | dpash: because the people that package it thing it depends on sun/ibm jdk |
| 16:07.17 | dpash | murble: yes we know madkiss is now DD |
| 16:08.23 | dank_work | It should be - ask agk :) |
| 16:08.37 | dank_work | Ask him on Saturday - he might have organised it by then |
| 16:08.56 | dpash | OxLUG is just too far away for my |
| 16:09.00 | dpash | s/my/me |
| 16:09.36 | murble | some people have been known to come from as far as Nottingham |
| 16:10.05 | dank_work | JCM has not come to OxLUG when he was at Notts |
| 16:10.21 | murble | He came atleast once. |
| 16:10.31 | dank_work | I thought he was in Reading at that time |
| 16:10.35 | murble | and did i mention him by name? |
| 16:10.36 | dpash | murble: there are only so many lugs I can go to |
| 16:10.58 | murble | dpash: so you can tell each that you go to the others, without having ot go to any, cool. |
| 16:11.02 | dank_work | murble: You did the second time |
| 16:11.12 | dank_work | ('he' referencing JCM) |
| 16:11.25 | murble | sorry. |
| 16:11.30 | murble | guilty as charged. |
| 16:11.40 | dpash | murble: ex-wylug, bedslug, mklug, soon to be gllug, thinking about northantslug |
| 16:11.58 | murble | oh the norhtanslug people sometimes go to OxLUG |
| 16:12.12 | murble | s/sometimes/have been known to/ |
| 16:13.33 | dank_work | Repeated repetitions being repeated? |
| 16:13.43 | dpash | dank_work: repeatedly |
| 16:13.48 | dank_work | :) |
| 16:22.24 | agk | murble: I'm still trying to gently persuade the speaker for Sunday |
| 16:23.13 | *** join/#gllug emero (~emero@217.154.56.112) |
| 16:23.20 | dank_work | agk: Who are you trying to get? |
| 16:23.30 | emero | i've been googling for quite a while and could not find any website which would explain the principles, desktop uses and general philosophy of GNU Linux to an audience of CHILDREN aged 10-13. Any ideas? |
| 16:23.43 | agk | can't announce until agreed |
| 16:24.16 | jenson | emero: Probably coz you're the first person to try it.... |
| 16:25.06 | emero | i can not believe i am the only person in the world to search for that info! |
| 16:25.20 | nasrat | emero: try the car selling comparison from http://www.cryptonomicon.com/beginning.html |
| 16:25.44 | dank_work | emero: www.seul.org/edu |
| 16:25.55 | jenson | www.seul.org/edu |
| 16:25.59 | jenson | lol |
| 16:26.04 | jenson | I hate Linux |
| 16:27.14 | steev | emero: try some for principles of computers/desktops (inc Windows, yes! :( in general [10 yrs might be too young in general] |
| 16:27.42 | nasrat | steev: you'd be suprised what 10 yr olds can get |
| 16:28.22 | dank_work | www.gnu.org/philosophy/ |
| 16:28.24 | jenson | I'm a firm believer in hey it works and it looks pretty......except for XP |
| 16:28.37 | steev | at 10-13 getting things for free is probably their default configuration |
| 16:28.51 | jenson | true steev |
| 16:28.56 | jenson | mine too.... |
| 16:29.22 | dank_work | Yeah, it is rather. |
| 16:30.18 | jenson | oooooooh I've found a Win98 bootdisk....that's why it's here....no-one else knows what it is |
| 16:30.27 | Tarragon | I can safely say some six year old understand GNU philosophy better than me. They have no trouble understanding concepts. in fact i think they learn quicker the younger they are. |
| 16:30.57 | jenson | they do Tarragon |
| 16:33.16 | emero | it is vital to educate people about GNU Linux and freedom especially children between 10 and 13 when they tend to start using computers for homework, games,etc |
| 16:34.20 | dank_work | And look how you turned out... |
| 16:34.30 | jenson | yeah, dating you |
| 16:34.38 | dank_work | Exactly. |
| 16:38.26 | jenson | lol |
| 16:38.31 | jenson | i'm noit scary |
| 16:38.34 | jenson | i wont hurt you |
| 16:40.01 | jenson | Well I've gotta go |
| 16:40.04 | jenson | later guys |
| 16:40.53 | *** part/#gllug jenson (~jenson@64.246.28.105) |
| 16:42.24 | dank_work | dpash: We weren't bitching :) |
| 16:48.52 | *** part/#gllug emero (~emero@217.154.56.112) |
| 17:28.17 | *** join/#gllug skugg (stig@void.printf.net) |
| 17:29.41 | nasrat | hi stig |
| 17:34.12 | SteevBugFixing | Aha - skugg is stig, gotcha. Learn something new... |
| 17:34.19 | dank_work | :) |
| 17:34.24 | Huhn | hi skugg |
| 17:36.28 | murble | ibot please lart macosX |
| 17:36.28 | | murble: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 17:36.37 | murble | ibot lart macosX |
| 17:36.46 | dank_work | Why? |
| 17:37.51 | skugg | hello nasrat, hello SteevBugFixing :) |
| 17:38.18 | skugg | never seen you two here before |
| 17:38.23 | skugg | good |
| 17:38.27 | Tarragon | dank_work: Well this is a Linux channel - osX is proprietary |
| 17:38.35 | skugg | I've fixed a few of mine too! :) |
| 17:38.38 | dank_work | So? :) |
| 17:39.31 | Tarragon | Err well you know that page about GNU philos you pointed out a while back... |
| 17:41.14 | Steev | skugg: I rarely visit: something to do with being too busy at work :( |
| 17:41.15 | murble | dankolb: because i can't see a sensible why of reducin gthe mtu |
| 17:41.26 | murble | other than ifconfig en0 mtu $blah |
| 17:45.47 | dank_work | murble: And you'd do it how under Linux? |
| 17:46.06 | murble | dank: I'm wondering at the correct why of setting it. |
| 17:46.11 | skugg | Steev, i see. how is the ps2-port going? is that the one you're working on? |
| 17:46.21 | murble | I don't have silly control pannels that jump in uner linux |
| 17:46.22 | dank_work | Probably that. Or I could have a dig around when I get home |
| 17:46.24 | dank_work | :) |
| 17:46.28 | skugg | how are the sales for your game anyway? |
| 17:49.49 | nasrat | murble - man iftab |
| 17:50.38 | murble | nasrat: ta, now how do i do it on macos 9 |
| 17:52.21 | Steev | skugg: OK - much better in Europe than the US, though |
| 17:52.31 | Steev | still not famous enough though... |
| 17:53.03 | nasrat | murble: mactcp IIRC |
| 17:59.28 | nasrat | murble: I lie, thats old you can play with open transport but not 100% sure |
| 18:00.25 | murble | apple tcp is weird funk isn't it? |
| 18:02.15 | nasrat | murble: os 9 definitely |
| 18:02.46 | nasrat | murble: is this for pppoe? |
| 18:03.38 | murble | nasrat: I'm behind bt flowsomthin grouter of death. |
| 18:04.11 | murble | BT engineer reconded they had to reduce mtu, of course a tracepaht shows a clear mtu of 1500 all the way along, so it has to be some weird lower layer protocol funk on the path |
| 18:04.26 | nasrat | murble: grr! Well there is a shareware tool http://www.sustworks.com/site/prod_ottuner.html |
| 18:07.54 | nasrat | murble: I don't run os 9, but I have it at work I'll poke later |
| 18:08.02 | murble | ta. |
| 18:18.57 | *** join/#gllug emero (~emero@217.154.56.112) |
| 18:19.15 | emero | has anyone seen www.national-lottery.co.uk since late January 2003? Disgusting! |
| 18:37.15 | dpash | emero: secure connection my arse |
| 18:37.34 | dpash | emero: I see no https anywhere |
| 18:38.17 | emero | me neither, it is jus the index page for f**k's sake! |
| 18:38.29 | dpash | emero: and if you spoof it, it does work |
| 18:38.36 | emero | how? |
| 18:39.33 | dpash | emero: use konqueror |
| 18:40.59 | emero | i just did and did not work! |
| 18:45.09 | *** join/#gllug OrangeSkies (123@ppp-225-75-20.friaco.access.uk.tiscali.com) |
| 18:45.17 | OrangeSkies | hi all, can anyone help me out? |
| 18:46.15 | resuDaed | lol, my mum is on the phone to the arch-bishop of uganda |
| 18:46.31 | resuDaed | (she's scared as hell :-) |
| 18:46.52 | resuDaed | OrangeSkies : with what? |
| 18:47.03 | Steev | emero: I use Mozilla which has a natty toolbar that lets you change the UA to IE, and the page works OK (not perfect, but ok) |
| 18:47.53 | OrangeSkies | well ive just installed linux mandrake on one of my hard disks and it works fine |
| 18:47.58 | dpash | one email sent to help@national-lottery.co.uk |
| 18:48.00 | resuDaed | well done |
| 18:48.18 | resuDaed | whats the problem |
| 18:48.19 | resuDaed | ? |
| 18:48.22 | OrangeSkies | cept, when i installed i unplugged my other 2 hard disks (one with win xp installed) cos i was afraid something might go wrong and wipe all my data |
| 18:48.35 | resuDaed | and now you cannot bott windows? |
| 18:48.47 | OrangeSkies | so now when i want to boot into linux i have to change the bios settings |
| 18:48.57 | dpash | resuDaed: why is your mum on the phone to the arch-bishop of uganda? Does he have some money he wants to put in your mums bank account? |
| 18:49.16 | resuDaed | you can install lilo (or grub, but I prefer lilo) on the MBR of the first harddisk |
| 18:49.24 | dpash | resuDaed: grub is nicer |
| 18:49.32 | OrangeSkies | ok, can i do that from win xp? |
| 18:49.33 | resuDaed | I prefer lilo |
| 18:49.56 | resuDaed | dpash : she is tresurer for a charity called Chain Foundation Uganda |
| 18:50.14 | dpash | resuDaed: grub is has more features like fs browsing |
| 18:50.20 | dpash | resuDaed: oh okay |
| 18:50.37 | dpash | and a shell |
| 18:50.45 | resuDaed | OrangeSkies : no, it must be done from linux (it can be done fro windows (I think) but is easier from linux) |
| 18:50.54 | OrangeSkies | okiedokie |
| 18:51.02 | OrangeSkies | i guess i have to download it then yes? |
| 18:51.08 | resuDaed | probably not |
| 18:51.21 | resuDaed | should already be kicking around on the mandy install |
| 18:51.33 | OrangeSkies | ahar |
| 18:51.33 | resuDaed | are you in windows @ moment? |
| 18:51.40 | OrangeSkies | yup i am |
| 18:51.51 | resuDaed | do you have a working internet connection from linux? |
| 18:52.15 | OrangeSkies | not at the moment because when it asked me for my internet settings i couldnt remember the phone number of the isp (im on dial up) |
| 18:52.38 | resuDaed | ok, pen and paper will be easiest |
| 18:52.41 | OrangeSkies | i just left it blank thinking i could change it later but i couldnt find where to enter it once everything was running |
| 18:52.48 | resuDaed | are you confident at modifying text files under linux? |
| 18:52.58 | OrangeSkies | hehe yeah i found it on a phone bill i just couldnt find where to put it in |
| 18:53.11 | OrangeSkies | well im a total linux newbie :) |
| 18:53.34 | OrangeSkies | i guess it cant be too difficult can it? |
| 18:53.40 | HuhnDelirium | -> pub |
| 18:53.42 | HuhnDelirium | bye |
| 18:53.45 | resuDaed | no, I guess you are using kde? |
| 18:53.48 | resuDaed | laters HuhnDelirium |
| 18:53.51 | dpash | OrangeSkies: come along to the install-fest on Saturday |
| 18:53.54 | HuhnDelirium | resuDaed: hopefully not ;) |
| 18:54.07 | emero | Steev: Mozilla 1.0.1? |
| 18:54.12 | resuDaed | HuhnDelirium : where are you drinking? |
| 18:55.00 | OrangeSkies | i used gnome in a user account just to start, but it was asking me for the root password and then not letting me enter the control center after i typed it in, so i logged out and logged in as root on kde |
| 18:55.06 | OrangeSkies | so yes :) |
| 18:55.29 | dpash | Please try to show some evidence of research -- countrary to popular |
| 18:55.29 | dpash | belief, this lists regulars are _not_ paid, surrogate mammies ready to |
| 18:55.29 | dpash | hold your hand whenever you should need it. |
| 18:55.30 | emero | OrangeSkies: are you a Love fan? |
| 18:55.30 | dpash | LOL |
| 18:55.32 | OrangeSkies | dpash : where abouts is it? i live in kentish town, north london |
| 18:55.50 | dpash | OrangeSkies: somewhere near euston rd |
| 18:55.56 | OrangeSkies | emero: yeah i am :) not too hardcore though |
| 18:55.59 | dpash | OrangeSkies: check www.gllug.org.uk |
| 18:56.12 | resuDaed | dpash : what is the most likly tool going to be for internet connection under mandy/kde? |
| 18:56.17 | emero | did you see Love live in January? |
| 18:56.19 | OrangeSkies | okay thanks :) |
| 18:56.37 | resuDaed | isn't there a kppp or something? |
| 18:56.40 | OrangeSkies | emero: no ive missed them every time for some reason or another :( |
| 18:56.52 | OrangeSkies | lack of money |
| 18:56.59 | emero | i saw him 3 times! |
| 18:57.08 | OrangeSkies | :'( no fair |
| 18:57.14 | emero | Arthur Lee's Love that is! |
| 18:57.27 | resuDaed | actually, OrangeSkies, if you can make it this Saturday to installfest ... most of the people there can sort this kind of thing with their eyes shut |
| 18:57.39 | OrangeSkies | how was the orchestra emero? |
| 18:57.46 | emero | brilliant! |
| 18:58.14 | OrangeSkies | resuDaed: i'll come along if i can... but i'm a shy 18 year old |
| 18:58.19 | Clyphox | Hi all |
| 18:58.32 | OrangeSkies | hi clyphox |
| 18:58.32 | resuDaed | Clyphox : you are alive :-) |
| 18:58.33 | emero | Gosh! 18! you could be my son! |
| 18:58.45 | Clyphox | resuDaed, Gladly yes :) |
| 18:58.46 | OrangeSkies | emero: have u ever seen them play with mick & john head from shack? |
| 18:59.00 | resuDaed | Clyphox : Niki been banning you from irc? |
| 18:59.42 | emero | i saw Love back in the mid 90s but i reckon it was the same 2003 line up so i guess no |
| 19:00.01 | Clyphox | resuDaed , just been busy |
| 19:00.24 | Clyphox | She wants all my time.. even wants me to go to lectures with her.. |
| 19:00.36 | Clyphox | and off-course I'm in trouble all the time |
| 19:00.45 | OrangeSkies | mmm i can't remember exactly when they played together, most probably in liverpool sometime |
| 19:00.45 | Clyphox | But actually its ok. :) |
| 19:00.46 | resuDaed | Clyphox : that doesn't surprise me |
| 19:00.58 | OrangeSkies | theyre another of my favourites hence the interest |
| 19:00.59 | Clyphox | resuDaed, I am taking control back slowly. |
| 19:01.29 | Clyphox | resuDaed, Hows your girl? |
| 19:01.55 | resuDaed | Clyphox : I know how you feel, beth is much less demanding ... but very good @ the guilt trips |
| 19:02.12 | Clyphox | resuDaed, NEWS FLASH: They all are! |
| 19:02.25 | Clyphox | resuDaed, (guilt trips I mean) |
| 19:02.27 | OrangeSkies | all : so can anyone help me out or do i have to wait til saturday to play with my linux install? |
| 19:02.53 | Clyphox | OrangeSkies, whats the prob? |
| 19:03.15 | resuDaed | Clyphox : he needs his internet connection under linux (dial-up) and then lilo (or grub) configured to dual boot |
| 19:03.28 | OrangeSkies | yeah, that hehe |
| 19:03.47 | Clyphox | What distro you using? |
| 19:03.49 | OrangeSkies | i just need to enter the phone number of my isp because i couldnt remember it during the install so skipped it out |
| 19:03.53 | OrangeSkies | mandrake 9.0 |
| 19:04.00 | Clyphox | Ahh.. |
| 19:04.14 | OrangeSkies | the modem installed fine |
| 19:04.14 | resuDaed | lol |
| 19:04.15 | OrangeSkies | :) |
| 19:04.29 | resuDaed | is there not a nice little program like kppp or something |
| 19:04.32 | Clyphox | I only work with normal linux OS'es.. sry |
| 19:04.43 | Clyphox | Yeah I used that years ago.. |
| 19:04.48 | OrangeSkies | d'oh |
| 19:04.58 | Clyphox | Just get the info off your current connection.. |
| 19:05.09 | OrangeSkies | what dyou mean by 'normal'? im a newbie see |
| 19:05.12 | Clyphox | Username, Pass, Tel Number, DNS (optional) |
| 19:05.34 | Clyphox | OrangeSkies, I'm just biased to other Linux Distribs :) |
| 19:05.44 | Clyphox | OrangeSkies, It should be ok though :) |
| 19:05.49 | OrangeSkies | oh i see hehe |
| 19:05.50 | resuDaed | I think everyone in here is biased |
| 19:06.02 | Clyphox | thats why we're here :) |
| 19:06.09 | OrangeSkies | it was between mandrake and red hat but mandrake looked more newbie-friendly i thought |
| 19:06.12 | Clyphox | OrangeSkies, Do you know yor dialup info? |
| 19:06.41 | Clyphox | OrangeSkies, I think you made a perfect first timer choice. |
| 19:06.43 | OrangeSkies | yeah ive got the details now |
| 19:06.57 | resuDaed | OrangeSkies : when you restart linux, somwhere in the 'k'menu there should be a program called kppp ... from what I remember it is pretty much self-explanitry to someone who knows what a modem actually is |
| 19:07.00 | OrangeSkies | tyvm, beginners luck :) |
| 19:07.03 | Clyphox | OrangeSkies, Do you know how to get the DNS info? (just incase?) |
| 19:07.28 | OrangeSkies | no i dont think i do |
| 19:07.36 | resuDaed | that really is "just incase" |
| 19:07.50 | Clyphox | resuDaed, you think kppp will be ok? |
| 19:07.56 | OrangeSkies | im good with just incase cos its a hassle messing with the bios every time |
| 19:08.32 | resuDaed | Clyphox, I'm sure it's what I used when I was starting out with mandrake (7.0) for the first time |
| 19:08.41 | Clyphox | resuDaed, cool. |
| 19:08.45 | emero | kppp is ok as long as you have a P200 72MB as the bare minumum but what if yiou have a P150 48MB and your BIOS even flashed can not go beyond 64MB? |
| 19:09.03 | OrangeSkies | its ok i have a p4 1.6 :) |
| 19:09.17 | Clyphox | resuDaed, What about getting lilo/grub up? I'm sure there is a tool for it under the menu's somewhere.. |
| 19:09.41 | resuDaed | Clyphox : yeah, they're called vi and bash |
| 19:09.57 | resuDaed | :-) |
| 19:10.04 | Clyphox | emero , I have a screenshot of when I ran it perfectly fine on a dx2/66 many years ago :) (16m ram) |
| 19:10.17 | resuDaed | Clyphox : I think thats an install time setup thingie though |
| 19:10.23 | Clyphox | resuDaed , I think OrangeSkies needs something more intuitive.. |
| 19:10.30 | Clyphox | da |
| 19:10.36 | resuDaed | all he needs is irc |
| 19:10.41 | Clyphox | True.. |
| 19:10.54 | OrangeSkies | doesnt mandrake have an irc client built in? |
| 19:11.06 | Clyphox | OrangeSkies, have you tried running kppp yet? |
| 19:11.11 | resuDaed | OrangeSkies : I think it comes with a pretty lousy one |
| 19:11.16 | emero | i am NOT talkin about many years ago. i am talkin about november 2002.a friend running w98 on a P150 48MB RAM did not wanna install linux on his PC because a linux desktop meant running a very basic window manager |
| 19:11.51 | OrangeSkies | no i havent yet Clyphox |
| 19:11.54 | resuDaed | a window manager that is anything more than basic is a pain in the arse (IMHO) |
| 19:11.56 | Clyphox | emero, sheesh sorry.. |
| 19:12.14 | Clyphox | resuDaed, [nod] |
| 19:12.25 | resuDaed | OrangeSkies : reboot into linux, and try playing with kppp ... hopefully we'll see you in 10 minutes or less |
| 19:12.40 | Clyphox | OrangeSkies, Just what I was about to say ^ heh |
| 19:12.53 | OrangeSkies | hehe ok, but i cant do it just yet cos me girlfriend will get pi**ed! |
| 19:13.07 | OrangeSkies | i expect getting MSN to run on linux might be a little tricky hehe |
| 19:13.11 | resuDaed | once you are in linux with irc, someone will take you though the lilo/grub install |
| 19:13.16 | Clyphox | Ohh.. lets tease him boys.. |
| 19:13.17 | emero | the problem is that running linux with X on a P150 48MB means getting geeky and to be honest most windoze users do not wanna know about! |
| 19:13.25 | *** join/#gllug nasrat (~paul@pc-80-193-235-11-hr.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 19:13.27 | resuDaed | msn messenger = gaim.sourceforge.net |
| 19:13.56 | OrangeSkies | brill thanks a lot guys :) |
| 19:14.23 | Clyphox | emero, Yeah.. wmaker/enlightenment are all that can really run out-of-the-box on that and still look okish |
| 19:14.36 | dank_work | twm! |
| 19:14.45 | Clyphox | gaim is kewl. I've been using it for the last few weeks :) |
| 19:14.50 | dank_work | (appearing quickly here before food is ready) |
| 19:14.51 | Clyphox | dank_work , bigot ;) |
| 19:14.59 | resuDaed | evening dank_work |
| 19:15.00 | Clyphox | wb btw |
| 19:15.03 | dank_work | :) |
| 19:15.08 | dank_work | Thanks |
| 19:17.28 | emero | Clyphox: yes but okish is not good enough for a w98 user on a P150 48MB. How would they configure an internet connection(kde and gnome are a NO NO)? |
| 19:17.52 | emero | writting a bash script ? |
| 19:18.58 | Clyphox | I have the same feelings towards all the big gui's.. thats why I run blackbox because everything else chokes this little box |
| 19:19.05 | dank_work | :) |
| 19:19.24 | Clyphox | in fact.. even on my 2Ghz system I run bbox cause gnome/kde make it suck |
| 19:19.43 | Clyphox | Get OSX hehe... |
| 19:19.55 | murble | I don't like OSX :( |
| 19:21.14 | murble | mackeyboards suck for a start. |
| 19:21.42 | Clyphox | I got a happyhacker kyb so I'm leet :) |
| 19:21.46 | nasrat | murble: laptop or usb? |
| 19:22.03 | emero | what about browsing the web. Forget about mozilla and friends. Email? Evolution is not an option. Geeky console text based email apps would scare them away |
| 19:23.44 | resuDaed | wb OrangeSkies |
| 19:23.47 | murble | nasrat: usb. |
| 19:23.53 | Clyphox | emero , phoenix for web flies on my 200 and so does sylpheed |
| 19:23.56 | murble | the old ones that had the home keys in the wrong place where worse. |
| 19:23.57 | OrangeSkies | ta :) hi all |
| 19:24.00 | emero | Clyphox, but you are basically dismissing all the efforts made kde and gnome to create a linux desktop! |
| 19:24.04 | nasrat | emero: how light weight is gnumail.app |
| 19:24.06 | murble | I wouldn't mind a tibook. |
| 19:24.26 | resuDaed | OrangeSkies : thought you were going to boot linux @ some point? :-) |
| 19:24.31 | nasrat | murble: yeah, I have an iBook (OS X) and an iMac linux |
| 19:24.41 | Clyphox | emero, I don't like their lack of modularity and each forcing their own widgets/engines etc.. thats all |
| 19:24.52 | murble | I'm using this machine because it duel boots macos X/9, and they don't have their design software yet for OS X |
| 19:24.56 | Clyphox | OrangeSkies, wb |
| 19:25.01 | OrangeSkies | resuDaed: yeah im just writing myself a list of stuff to remember! |
| 19:25.04 | OrangeSkies | ty :) |
| 19:25.10 | murble | nasrat: for much free internet in pubs :) |
| 19:25.16 | emero | phoenix sucked on my friend's P150 48MB and crashed more often than IE. BTW phoenix is still in early stages of devel |
| 19:25.27 | OrangeSkies | is kppp the thing i need to look for to change my isp number guys? |
| 19:25.34 | nasrat | murble: yup drag and surf. |
| 19:25.49 | resuDaed | either change or setup |
| 19:26.06 | emero | OrangeSkies: if your PC is more pwerful than a P200 64MB RAM yes! |
| 19:26.14 | nasrat | murble: I'd like the 802.11g airport extreme stuff |
| 19:26.28 | OrangeSkies | ok, thanks a lot everyone, i should hopefully see u all shortly :) |
| 19:27.35 | resuDaed | they couldn't make it much easier without making it as useless as XP |
| 19:28.06 | *** join/#gllug SpudUAway (~Colin@80-193-177-195.cable.ubr01.ca.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 19:28.11 | Clyphox | emero, phoenix hasn't crashed once on me. Try Opera if you really want speed |
| 19:28.15 | resuDaed | evening SpudUAway |
| 19:28.42 | Clyphox | resuDaed, lol |
| 19:29.33 | resuDaed | Clyphox : if you were in london tonight, I'd invite you out for a drink ... I'm going to the purple turtle tonight |
| 19:29.34 | emero | i tried opera on the P150 and it was the slowest browser i could. slower than netscape 4X which was slow but worked |
| 19:29.46 | Clyphox | weird.. |
| 19:30.14 | Clyphox | resuDaed, alas.. I'm trying to wake the ppl in #aberlug up here |
| 19:30.29 | resuDaed | aka 'the turtle painted purple that sold weelie bins' |
| 19:30.43 | Clyphox | emero, have you tried an older version maybe? |
| 19:31.00 | resuDaed | Clyphox : not many to wake up in there :-) |
| 19:31.02 | emero | you mean an unsafe one? |
| 19:31.31 | Clyphox | emero, I found them ok.. Opera has been round for years.. |
| 19:32.26 | *** join/#gllug Jenson (1000@dial81-131-6-154.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 19:32.32 | resuDaed | .OT: you are still going to remain active in 'gllug when you evening Jenson |
| 19:32.34 | resuDaed | what |
| 19:32.35 | resuDaed | ? |
| 19:32.36 | dank_work | Hi Jenson |
| 19:32.38 | resuDaed | arrr |
| 19:32.46 | Jenson | hey dan |
| 19:32.48 | Clyphox | Hi Jenson |
| 19:32.51 | resuDaed | up arrows and down arrows and a long piece of crap |
| 19:33.03 | resuDaed | evening Jenson |
| 19:33.05 | Clyphox | hmm |
| 19:33.20 | resuDaed | I havn't even started drinking yet |
| 19:33.25 | Jenson | are you still gonna remain active in gllug whan you what? resuDaed |
| 19:33.26 | emero | you find unsafe old versions of Opera OK?? moreover, opera is closed source! |
| 19:33.38 | resuDaed | (I will be out till probably 5am ... work @ 6 ;-) |
| 19:34.33 | Clyphox | emero, it was only a sugestion. |
| 19:35.01 | resuDaed | Jenson : no worries ... was meant for somewhere else |
| 19:35.52 | SpudUAway | But I'm just 10mins away from the Purple Turtle. |
| 19:36.02 | emero | the whole point of using linux is security, stability and freedom. And for desktop users coming from the windoze world you MUST add easy of use/configuration as a desktop |
| 19:36.17 | resuDaed | SpudUAway : I am in there for a quick drink before crossing the road to the Palace |
| 19:36.37 | SpudUAway | What's on in the Palas then? |
| 19:36.42 | resuDaed | emero : agreed, but they should not be babysat forever |
| 19:37.16 | Clyphox | emero, it is not a desktop OS. Put BeOS on and help openBeOS blokes maybe. They are making really good progress.. |
| 19:37.32 | emero | of course not but a desktop user should not be expected to write a bash script to connect to the net on his P150 48MB |
| 19:37.54 | Clyphox | We know |
| 19:37.56 | resuDaed | SpudUAway : Feet First ... kind of indie/rock type thing for us younguns (those aged 12-18 who have fake id (IMHO), but I am going for a friend) |
| 19:37.58 | Clyphox | lol |
| 19:38.07 | dank_work | We know that too |
| 19:38.20 | Clyphox | resuDaed, sound fun.. you bastard.. |
| 19:38.31 | SpudUAway | "Going for a friend" I like it. What with, a knife? |
| 19:38.36 | resuDaed | Hi, I'm tom and I'm an addict |
| 19:38.40 | emero | BeOS is dead |
| 19:38.41 | Jenson | resuDaed: Can I come live on your desktop.... |
| 19:38.47 | resuDaed | SpudUAway : have been tempted a few times |
| 19:38.55 | SpudUAway | ;-) |
| 19:39.01 | Clyphox | emero, Ask the ppl at bebits.com and here on #openbeos that! |
| 19:39.08 | resuDaed | lol, I don't think Beth'd approve Jenson |
| 19:39.12 | emero | openBEOS is early stages not ready for desktop use yet |
| 19:39.18 | Clyphox | emero, as dead as AmigaOS |
| 19:39.19 | dank_work | Neither would I, but that's beside the point :) |
| 19:39.32 | SpudUAway | Is Beth going??? I'll come for a drink if Beth is going! |
| 19:39.35 | Jenson | resuDaed: I'd share you with her, or her with you....but I didn't say that |
| 19:39.37 | resuDaed | lol, didn't see you there |
| 19:39.49 | dank_work | Jenson: You may not want to say that when her brother is about... |
| 19:40.07 | resuDaed | SpudUAway : a) you're a trouble maker, b) she isn't anyway so :p - I still remember what you tried to do last time :-D |
| 19:40.07 | Jenson | dank_work: As I said, I didn't say it. |
| 19:40.15 | dank_work | It's logged. |
| 19:40.18 | emero | Hardware support on Beos was very lacking even compared to linux! |
| 19:40.41 | dank_work | And, at a guess, it has been seen... |
| 19:40.50 | Clyphox | yup. but on a P150 I would think it to be uptodate.. |
| 19:40.52 | SpudUAway | resuDaed: :-) I just didn't want to see her being put wrong, that's all. Anyhow, it was Tarragon's idea. |
| 19:40.58 | Clyphox | esp versus w98 |
| 19:41.14 | emero | BeOS is closed source and dead |
| 19:41.18 | resuDaed | SpudUAway : I am actually going with another of my female friends ... |
| 19:41.25 | dank_work | BeOS was a really nice OS |
| 19:41.28 | Jenson | resuDaed: aww, havent you invited Beth to the fest? |
| 19:41.50 | emero | most people i know tell me windoze is nice too! |
| 19:42.06 | dank_work | Win2k tends to work quite well for us... |
| 19:42.07 | resuDaed | Jenson : shes doing something (I forget what (obviusly wasn't as important)) on Saturday .. she may come for a drink afterwards though |
| 19:42.27 | Jenson | resuDaed: Cool, hope I meet her, I'll probably scare her away |
| 19:42.27 | emero | win2k is closed source too! |
| 19:42.32 | emero | ;) |
| 19:42.35 | dank_work | True. |
| 19:42.41 | emero | BW |
| 19:42.43 | dank_work | As are parts of MacOS X |
| 19:43.03 | resuDaed | Jenson : you'd have difficulty scaring the person I'm meeting tonight away ... she's almost as bad as you (nothing personal :-)) |
| 19:43.09 | nasrat | dank_work: like XFree86 and terms and racoon |
| 19:43.15 | Clyphox | gtg. food time |
| 19:43.17 | dank_work | And Darwin... |
| 19:43.19 | Jenson | oooh resuDaed sounds fun |
| 19:43.21 | Jenson | see ya Clyphox |
| 19:43.22 | emero | Debian is not closed source yet ;) |
| 19:43.27 | dank_work | So? |
| 19:43.32 | resuDaed | laters Clyphox |
| 19:43.38 | dank_work | Bye Clyphox |
| 19:43.44 | dank_work | Parts of it are |
| 19:43.47 | nasrat | dank_work: hmm yeah afaik the airport driver is still closed |
| 19:43.59 | Clyphox | laters.. |
| 19:44.13 | emero | which parts of debain are closed source? or non free softw? |
| 19:44.21 | dank_work | Anything in non-free ? |
| 19:44.29 | resuDaed | anyway ... I must go and get ready ... need to balance between going to get pissed and getting to work for 6am clothes |
| 19:44.42 | nasrat | emero: depends if you count stuff under nda, which is most of the modern ide stuff. |
| 19:44.43 | Jenson | lol seeya resuDaed |
| 19:44.43 | resuDaed | (considering the drinking stops at around 4.30am) |
| 19:44.48 | dank_work | have fun |
| 19:45.08 | resuDaed | I think I'll be alive on purly red-bull tonight |
| 19:45.17 | emero | but that is completely optional. you can have a perfectly running gnu debian linux without the non free bits which are NOT essential parts of the operating system |
| 19:45.24 | Jenson | resuDaed: Be careful... |
| 19:45.34 | nasrat | emero: you do use ide? |
| 19:45.39 | emero | no |
| 19:45.44 | resuDaed | I am, I'm only taking 20 squid with me |
| 19:45.46 | nasrat | emero: scsi then |
| 19:45.51 | emero | no |
| 19:45.58 | nasrat | emero: what is your hdd |
| 19:46.11 | emero | hdd? |
| 19:46.14 | Jenson | lol |
| 19:46.15 | dank_work | emero: You can have a perfectly running Slackware or Gentoo system, too |
| 19:46.27 | dank_work | Or Mandrake |
| 19:46.29 | emero | hdc ;) |
| 19:46.32 | dank_work | What's your point about Debian? |
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| 19:46.47 | dank_work | Hi Leeds |
| 19:46.47 | Jenson | hiya Leeds |
| 19:46.53 | Leeds | really? |
| 19:46.59 | dank_work | Leeds: We have another Debian subversive here again |
| 19:47.01 | nasrat | emero: hard disk drive. It depends on how you define closed. There was a recent discussion on lkml about NDA based kernel drivers. |
| 19:47.07 | Jenson | dank_work: Most amusing |
| 19:47.29 | emero | N Ali Khan rules! |
| 19:47.38 | emero | Fateh ! |
| 19:49.13 | dank_work | Err....yeah.... |
| 19:49.13 | Tarragon | SpudUAway: What do you mean MY idea. Me and resuBitch are very close. |
| 19:50.07 | emero | say NO to Fortress Europe! |
| 19:50.25 | Jenson | belongs |
| 19:51.28 | emero | Let's open the floodgates now! yes right now! Revolution OS! ALL Revolution now! |
| 19:51.49 | dank_work | Calm down |
| 19:54.29 | emero | money knows no borders but human beings have to face them! http://uk.indymedia.org/ |
| 19:54.52 | Jenson | emero: How old are you? |
| 19:55.40 | emero | Age is irrelevant in this context |
| 19:55.55 | Jenson | I was merely asking |
| 19:56.18 | dank_work | Not old enough to have upgraded from Debian... |
| 19:56.26 | Jenson | or diapers |
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| 19:56.31 | dank_work | :) |
| 19:56.42 | root | hi all, its OrangeSkies :) |
| 19:56.46 | Jenson | hi root |
| 19:56.54 | dank_work | No IRCing as root. It's bad karma. |
| 19:57.03 | root | how do i change my nick? |
| 19:57.08 | Jenson | Doesn't it tell you that ehn you load the client |
| 19:57.09 | emero | Jenson: do you support the Tories or even worse Labour and the Lib Dems? |
| 19:57.18 | root | im just logged in as root in case i need to mess with something |
| 19:57.23 | Jenson | emero: I'm a Marxist |
| 19:57.29 | dank_work | root: Log in as a user to IRC |
| 19:57.30 | root | nahuh it didnt |
| 19:57.30 | Jenson | root: /nick newnick |
| 19:57.41 | OrangeSkies | thanks |
| 19:57.50 | OrangeSkies | brb then, cyas |
| 19:57.52 | OrangeSkies | :) |
| 19:57.55 | emero | Marxist? Workers of the world unite and rebel! |
| 19:58.02 | *** part/#gllug OrangeSkies (~root@ppp-225-67-73.friaco.access.uk.tiscali.com) |
| 19:58.08 | resuDaed | OrangeSkies : log out of irc, su into a different user, then come back :-) |
| 19:58.09 | dpash | hi |
| 19:58.21 | resuDaed | too late |
| 19:58.26 | dank_work | Well, I'm off to eat |
| 19:58.29 | dank_work | Back later at some point |
| 19:58.35 | Jenson | I'm off to watch TV |
| 19:58.37 | Jenson | See ya at 9. |
| 19:58.45 | dank_work | If I'm back |
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| 20:00.43 | emero | Most Marxists i know do not watch tv and those who do is to get the establishment's point of view (The "news" and Newsnight) to be prepared to fight them |
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| 20:01.43 | Leeds | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:02.15 | OrangeSkies | hi all |
| 20:02.44 | emero | .. |
| 20:03.04 | Leeds | hi |
| 20:03.05 | zachary | OrangeSkies: Did you get you're dial up with mdk9.0 configured? |
| 20:03.21 | emero | hi OrangeSkies, did you manage to set up your internet connection awright? |
| 20:03.40 | OrangeSkies | zachary: I did thanks :) i'm on mandrake now, just trying to work out what does what in KDE! |
| 20:03.59 | OrangeSkies | i don't think much of the irc client :( |
| 20:04.15 | zachary | which one are you using? |
| 20:04.27 | OrangeSkies | Ksirc |
| 20:04.30 | OrangeSkies | ....i think lol |
| 20:04.37 | OrangeSkies | i'm not quite sure what's going on right now |
| 20:04.39 | emero | use xchat |
| 20:04.46 | zachary | try xchat |
| 20:04.47 | dpash | Dear Mr. Parguild, |
| 20:04.48 | dpash | Thank you for your feedback. |
| 20:05.05 | OrangeSkies | it's not in the application list |
| 20:05.22 | dpash | cheeky fuckers. Not only are national lottery browser nazis they can't even check peoples names |
| 20:05.29 | OrangeSkies | i've got gaim, gnome gabber etc etc |
| 20:05.39 | zachary | under configuration -> Mandrake Control Center |
| 20:05.57 | dpash | anyone want to see my response from help@national-lottery.co.uk |
| 20:06.06 | SpudUAway | I don't think any distros load XChat by default. |
| 20:06.47 | SpudUAway | dpash: What were you asking about. Not complaining about not winning? |
| 20:06.50 | dpash | SpudUAway: I wouldn't use an distro that installed an irc client as part of a base install |
| 20:07.13 | dpash | SpudUAway: you need to use Windows to view www.national-lottery.co.uk |
| 20:07.14 | emero | dpash: yes i do! |
| 20:07.26 | OrangeSkies | i'm just installing xchat now |
| 20:07.28 | SpudUAway | OrangeSkies may not have chosen a base install. |
| 20:07.34 | dpash | should I put them on the list? |
| 20:07.46 | emero | what do you mean? |
| 20:07.48 | Leeds | dpash: not a great loss to us |
| 20:08.03 | dpash | emero: gllug email list |
| 20:08.07 | emero | dpash, i appreciate your opinion! |
| 20:08.21 | emero | ok |
| 20:08.27 | dpash | Leeds: no, but it is worth showing people that there are other users out there |
| 20:08.38 | OrangeSkies | brb |
| 20:08.40 | Leeds | true |
| 20:08.48 | dpash | they basically said "94% of people use windows" |
| 20:08.54 | dpash | so bugger off |
| 20:09.16 | SpudUAway | For lottery stuff I've always used http://lottery.merseyworld.com/ |
| 20:09.34 | emero | perhaps if you put your opinion on your website and write to Linux today... |
| 20:09.47 | dpash | I replied saying that they were ignoring 6% of their customers and that I thought they needed all the customers they could get atm |
| 20:09.47 | SpudUAway | dpash: I know that's not the point, but from day 1 of the lottery, the official site left a lot to be desired. |
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| 20:10.20 | dpash | They said sorry for the inconvience. I said sorry you'll lose your job |
| 20:10.21 | OrangeSkies | Hi folks |
| 20:10.24 | SpudUAway | Maybe we should ask for lottery funding to show them the proper way to do things. |
| 20:10.30 | dpash | LOL |
| 20:10.31 | OrangeSkies | using X-Chat now |
| 20:11.05 | Leeds | SpudUAway: I sort of knew the guy who runs the lottery.merseyworld site - it's hosted at Liverpool Comp Sci, my alma mater |
| 20:11.48 | SpudUAway | Leeds: Should you see him in the near future ask him why my numbers never co..... |
| 20:12.11 | SpudUAway | OrangeSkies: Do you prefer XChat? |
| 20:12.22 | Leeds | SpudUAway: not seen him for years :-) |
| 20:12.32 | SpudUAway | I've not won for years! |
| 20:13.11 | SpudUAway | dpash: Wins or not loses? |
| 20:13.28 | emero | dpash: that is a valid point but let's make it clear camelot is suppossed to give the profits to charities to tackle social exclusion! |
| 20:13.32 | dpash | okay, I never lose |
| 20:13.44 | SpudUAway | ;-) |
| 20:14.49 | SpudUAway | It's times like this that you would want to turn to the govnmt for support. |
| 20:15.21 | dpash | Camelot do not do a good job running the lottery and the government department in charge of the tender were corrupt |
| 20:15.23 | emero | habve to go . good luck to OrangeSkies and remember the main difference bewteen windoze and linux is Freedom! |
| 20:17.09 | OrangeSkies | Hi |
| 20:17.20 | Leeds | hi |
| 20:17.30 | OrangeSkies | i feel geeky lol |
| 20:17.52 | Leeds | if it helps, you don't look it from where I'm sitting :-) |
| 20:17.57 | dpash | OrangeSkies: it will get a lot worse |
| 20:18.28 | OrangeSkies | oh im worried now |
| 20:18.34 | OrangeSkies | :( |
| 20:18.47 | OrangeSkies | and my desktop's ugly! |
| 20:19.03 | zachary | check out kde-look.org |
| 20:20.01 | OrangeSkies | ok |
| 20:21.07 | OrangeSkies | i miss being able to minimise to the task bar |
| 20:21.59 | dpash | OrangeSkies: you using KDE? |
| 20:22.00 | Leeds | I don't minimise at all - I just use lots and lots of virtual screens... |
| 20:22.09 | Leeds | got 9 screens in use right now |
| 20:22.13 | OrangeSkies | yeah im on KDE |
| 20:22.31 | dpash | I'm confused as to the feature you don't seem to have |
| 20:22.32 | OrangeSkies | but the stuff at the bottom (start bar?) stays there from one screen to the next doesnt it? |
| 20:22.51 | Leeds | sure... except I don't use that either :-) |
| 20:23.05 | OrangeSkies | hehe |
| 20:23.07 | dpash | OrangeSkies: do you have a list of windows at the bottom? |
| 20:23.48 | OrangeSkies | yeah its like the regular windows start bar stuff at the bottom with all the windows i have open |
| 20:24.19 | OrangeSkies | i want to get rid of my internet connection box cos theres no need for me to see that there |
| 20:27.47 | Leeds | um... this may be a silly question, but you're new to Linux? |
| 20:28.11 | OrangeSkies | you guessed it :) |
| 20:28.24 | OrangeSkies | i don't know any of the lingo yet |
| 20:29.05 | Leeds | okay, so you know there are a bunch of different 'window managers' which control things like the buttons on the windows, the 'taskbar' and so on? |
| 20:29.39 | Leeds | KDE has a default one, I use a different one, so my screen looks quite different from yours - the contents of the windows will be similar, but the layout of the screen is different |
| 20:30.19 | OrangeSkies | okay... so how could i change it? |
| 20:30.45 | Leeds | I wouldn't think in terms of changing it yet - you're better to get comfortable with that one |
| 20:31.23 | OrangeSkies | okiedokie :) |
| 20:31.33 | OrangeSkies | i'm sure i'll get used to it eventually |
| 20:31.40 | Leeds | so the problem is that you don't know how to minimise? |
| 20:32.21 | Leeds | (and then to confuse things, of course, you can take most window managers and add or remove as many window buttons as you like, and make them do whatever you like) |
| 20:32.34 | OrangeSkies | no its just that in windows you can minimise to the task bar so you have just a small icon instead of the larger one on the start bar |
| 20:33.20 | nasrat | OrangeSkies: it's in panel options visuals |
| 20:33.23 | Leeds | define task bar and start bar... I've never heard of a start bar |
| 20:34.09 | OrangeSkies | hehe ok.... i'm probably talking sh*t |
| 20:34.22 | Leeds | I haven't used windows, except for short periods on other people's machines, for years :-) |
| 20:34.32 | Leeds | so it's probably me... |
| 20:34.49 | OrangeSkies | start bar... horizontal thingamejiggy at the bottom with the names of all the apps you have running and icons that when you click bring that app into focus |
| 20:35.06 | Leeds | I'd call that the taskbar |
| 20:35.06 | nasrat | OrangeSkies: http://howto.lycos.com/lycos/step/1,,9+47+75+26297+10962,00.html is a howto |
| 20:36.12 | nasrat | kpanel options autohide toolbar |
| 20:36.18 | OrangeSkies | ok |
| 20:36.43 | nasrat | I don't use kde so YMMV |
| 20:36.51 | OrangeSkies | see what i call the task bar is the smaller section to the far bottom right which has things like volume control icon and the time/date |
| 20:37.11 | Leeds | oh! I'd call that the system tray :-) |
| 20:37.38 | OrangeSkies | that's the one!!!! |
| 20:37.39 | OrangeSkies | sorry! |
| 20:37.49 | OrangeSkies | not only am i a newbie, but a bit of a clown to boot |
| 20:38.44 | OrangeSkies | ^_^ |
| 20:38.55 | OrangeSkies | i gtg time for dinner |
| 20:38.58 | OrangeSkies | cyas later |
| 20:39.06 | dank_work | c'ya |
| 20:39.09 | OrangeSkies | :) |
| 20:39.21 | Leeds | seeya |
| 21:00.39 | zachary | does anyone have the md5sums for the Debian 3.0r1 isos. |
| 21:00.40 | zachary | ? |
| 21:02.05 | zachary | nevermind. found a site that actually had them. |
| 21:02.10 | dpash | zachary: are they not on the website |
| 21:03.10 | zachary | mirror.ac.uk didn't as well as 15 others that I checked. but found them on a german site. |
| 21:03.45 | dpash | zachary: I meant www.debian.org |
| 21:04.27 | dpash | zachary: it would be better to check the signature if there is any |
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| 21:16.57 | OrangeSkies | hi everyone |
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| 21:24.02 | Clyphox | Hi again |
| 21:25.15 | Jenson | hey Clyphox |
| 21:25.25 | Leeds | for some reason, I didn't think my DRI was working... but it is! |
| 21:25.32 | Clyphox | Hi Jenson |
| 21:26.11 | Clyphox | Sleep is good :) |
| 21:26.20 | Clyphox | bbiam.. phoine |
| 21:26.32 | Jenson | l |
| 21:26.35 | Jenson | k even |
| 21:33.29 | Jenson | Nikki? |
| 21:35.26 | XiaoQi | hi everyone, I'm Clyphox's fiance. Just wanted to say hi while he's off elsewhere... |
| 21:35.39 | Jenson | Oh heya |
| 21:35.48 | XiaoQi | hi! |
| 21:35.59 | Jenson | I'm dankolb's (who is at the pub right now) girlfriend |
| 21:36.29 | Leeds | hi XiaoQi |
| 21:37.04 | Leeds | hey babe :-) |
| 21:37.19 | Leeds | had a good half-term? |
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| 21:37.54 | Jenson | yeah thanks mate |
| 21:37.56 | Clyphox | Oi.. hands off :) |
| 21:38.18 | XiaoQi | sorry, david being odd... |
| 21:38.32 | Jenson | Clyphox: It's alright, I aint after your girl....Dan would kill me |
| 21:38.33 | Leeds | what's with all these people called 1000? :-) |
| 21:38.40 | Jenson | Its Linux |
| 21:38.44 | Jenson | Win doesnt do it |
| 21:38.51 | Jenson | and its BT |
| 21:39.35 | Clyphox | Leeds , I think its my uid |
| 21:40.05 | Jenson | Clyphox: You with BT though |
| 21:40.14 | Leeds | right, but you do have usenames, right? is your ident returning your uid instead of username? |
| 21:40.34 | XiaoQi | I don't think he's seriously bothered about anyone trying to steal me, he just likes having smeone to try and be protective over |
| 21:40.52 | Jenson | Leeds: In Win XCHAT it says 'Jenson' but in Linux XCHAT it says '1000' |
| 21:40.58 | Clyphox | Leeds, afaik I've killed the ident daemon.. one moment.. |
| 21:41.04 | Jenson | It's ok XiaoQi I'm not gay - least not most of the time |
| 21:41.33 | Clyphox | er sry about the /m.. force of habit |
| 21:41.48 | Leeds | it's not a big deal... just a little strange :-) |
| 21:43.11 | Jenson | Leeds: Yeah and annoying |
| 21:43.56 | Leeds | btw, you know you're both running fingerd publically, don't you? |
| 21:44.26 | Jenson | Leeds: I don't know what's running publically and what isn't |
| 21:44.35 | Jenson | I need to attempt firewalling |
| 21:44.46 | Leeds | hang on, I'll tell you :-) |
| 21:44.58 | Jenson | I think everything is actually |
| 21:45.01 | Jenson | which bothers me |
| 21:45.16 | Jenson | In Win I ran firewall software to stealth ports |
| 21:45.23 | Jenson | Bloody nice firewall at that |
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| 21:45.49 | Jenson | hi new2unix_ |
| 21:45.50 | new2unix_ | hi all |
| 21:46.09 | Leeds | ftp, ssh, smtp (bad!), finger, http, rpc (bad!), auth, printer (probably bad!), submission (dunno what that is) and X! |
| 21:46.12 | Clyphox | Hi.. bye.. We're calling it a night.. er.. tuesday.. |
| 21:46.24 | Jenson | told ya Leeds |
| 21:46.28 | Clyphox | Leeds, did you portscan me ? |
| 21:46.29 | dpash | Leeds: smtp is only bad if you are relaying |
| 21:46.34 | dpash | rpc is very bad |
| 21:46.36 | Leeds | Clyphox: doing it now :-) |
| 21:46.38 | Clyphox | Leeds, submission is sendmail.. |
| 21:46.42 | Leeds | that was Jenson... |
| 21:46.48 | dpash | finger is pointless (and therefore bad) |
| 21:46.56 | Clyphox | Leeds, Ahh slackware default install thats why.. |
| 21:47.07 | dpash | printer is bad |
| 21:47.15 | dpash | what port was submission? |
| 21:47.16 | Leeds | Interesting ports on (195.137.107.7): |
| 21:47.16 | Leeds | (The 1547 ports scanned but not shown below are in state: closed) |
| 21:47.16 | Leeds | Port State Service |
| 21:47.16 | Leeds | 22/tcp open ssh |
| 21:47.16 | Leeds | 25/tcp open smtp |
| 21:47.16 | Leeds | 37/tcp open time |
| 21:47.18 | Leeds | 79/tcp open finger |
| 21:47.20 | Leeds | 113/tcp open auth |
| 21:47.22 | Leeds | 587/tcp open submission |
| 21:47.24 | Leeds | 688/tcp open unknown |
| 21:47.24 | Clyphox | Leeds, Just needs dan to hack the inetd and rc.d scripts.. easy 3 mintue work :) |
| 21:47.26 | Leeds | 6000/tcp open X11 |
| 21:47.30 | Leeds | 10000/tcp open snet-sensor-mgmt |
| 21:47.36 | Leeds | Clyphox: that last scan is you, BTW... |
| 21:47.40 | Jenson | me and Dan are arguing as usual |
| 21:47.41 | Clyphox | Leeds , I know.. I'll get the firewall on later.. I'm tired.. |
| 21:47.49 | Clyphox | Leeds, I know :) |
| 21:48.02 | dpash | Clyphox: I can only see 1 1/2 ports worth having remotely accessable |
| 21:48.17 | Leeds | ssh+? |
| 21:48.21 | Clyphox | 1/2 ? |
| 21:48.25 | dpash | Leeds: auth |
| 21:48.31 | Leeds | fair enough... |
| 21:48.45 | Clyphox | heh.. no thanks.. ssh/80/443 does me :) |
| 21:48.49 | Clyphox | laters.. |
| 21:48.49 | dpash | Leeds: really all you need is to deny packets rather than drop them |
| 21:48.58 | Jenson | bye Clyphox |
| 21:49.12 | Leeds | sure - drop, deny, whatever :-) |
| 21:49.14 | Leeds | Clyphox: seeya |
| 21:49.32 | dpash | so anyone going to scan me? |
| 21:49.55 | Jenson | I would if I knew how to dpash |
| 21:50.06 | Leeds | if you insist... |
| 21:50.12 | dpash | Jenson: apt-get install nmap && nmap 212.56.237.89 |
| 21:50.29 | dpash | 81.77.102.69 |
| 21:50.55 | Leeds | Jenson: cheer up! |
| 21:51.36 | Jenson | :-| |
| 21:51.38 | XiaoQi | We love you Jenson .. Smile :) |
| 21:51.42 | Jenson | :) |
| 21:53.22 | dpash | I should really email them back |
| 21:53.27 | dpash | they said: |
| 21:53.33 | Leeds | we don't care - the government love us - do fuck yourself? |
| 21:53.36 | Leeds | do=go |
| 21:53.47 | dpash | I apologise for the error in our previous correspondence with you. I |
| 21:53.47 | dpash | trust you have not been too offended and hope that the present |
| 21:53.47 | dpash | difficulties you are encountering will not put you off future playing |
| 21:53.48 | dpash | of the National Lottery. |
| 21:53.49 | Jenson | lol Leeds |
| 21:54.20 | dpash | I clearly said in my first email that I would not be buying anything from them until they sorted out their website |
| 21:55.13 | dpash | Leeds: you appear to have stopped portscanning me |
| 21:55.13 | Leeds | they probably thought you meant you wouldn't buy anything from their website... |
| 21:55.23 | Leeds | dpash: wasn't getting anywhere... |
| 21:55.48 | dpash | Leeds: I assume you gave -P0 flag |
| 21:56.08 | Leeds | yup |
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| 21:56.19 | Jenson | hi BorgBaby |
| 21:56.42 | dpash | anyone familiar with it? |
| 21:57.08 | zachary | gotta go, good night! |
| 21:57.24 | Jenson | bye zach |
| 21:57.58 | Tarragon | Offender does it because they benefit from the crime? |
| 21:59.03 | Leeds | the 'cost' of the crime to the criminal is less than the benefit? |
| 22:04.38 | SpudUAway | Anyone smell gas? |
| 22:07.55 | Jenson | lol |
| 22:09.37 | dpash | hmm we have socialogists amongst us |
| 22:10.57 | Clyphox | I have to go.. cya's all laters. |
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| 22:11.15 | Clyphox | wb OrangeSkies |
| 22:11.20 | *** part/#gllug Clyphox (1000@195.137.107.7) |
| 22:11.30 | OrangeSkies | d'oh |
| 22:11.36 | OrangeSkies | hi everyone |
| 22:11.45 | new2unix_ | hi |
| 22:12.03 | Jenson | wb OrangeSkies |
| 22:12.44 | OrangeSkies | thanks |
| 22:13.37 | OrangeSkies | can anybody tell me what the nonfb and failsafe boot up modes are? |
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| 22:20.39 | Jenson | heya Davilion |
| 22:20.48 | Jenson | OrangeSkies: Erm, nope sorry I'm a newbie |
| 22:22.54 | Davilion | hello |
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| 22:24.33 | new2unix_ | wb cupis |
| 22:24.45 | cupis | ty new2unix_ |
| 22:24.55 | Jenson | hi cupis |
| 22:25.33 | cupis | hey Jenson |
| 22:28.23 | dpash | w00t I have 394 words for my essay now. |
| 22:28.35 | cupis | dpash: how long does it have to be? |
| 22:28.41 | dpash | cupis: new packages coming your way |
| 22:28.45 | dpash | 600-700 |
| 22:29.14 | dpash | some of that are the title and notes for sections, but I have filled in one of the 3 sections |
| 22:29.22 | cupis | dpash: okay. Over half way there, then. |
| 22:29.50 | dpash | cupis: yep. If I do the same amount of work every night this week, I should be fine |
| 22:29.59 | cupis | any mandrake users lurking in here? |
| 22:30.20 | dpash | cupis: has to be finished by Sunday, so I'll bring a copy with me on Saturday so you can have a read |
| 22:30.20 | Jenson | nope |
| 22:30.29 | dpash | cupis: there was one |
| 22:30.32 | cupis | Jenson: in a way, I'm glad. |
| 22:30.34 | dpash | OrangeSkies: |
| 22:30.38 | cupis | dpash: but you killed them? |
| 22:30.39 | dpash | lol |
| 22:30.48 | dpash | cupis: not yet |
| 22:30.50 | cupis | dpash: what is the essay on? |
| 22:30.51 | Jenson | cupis: What do you wanna know anyway? |
| 22:31.09 | dpash | "Describe the rational choice theory of crime. What aspects of crime are hard to explain in this way?" |
| 22:31.37 | Jenson | dpash: Whats the rational choice theroy....then I'll help you |
| 22:31.43 | cupis | Jenson: the mandrake-y way of setting up dual-screen on an nvidia geforce4 ti-4800 |
| 22:31.54 | Jenson | cupis: Can't help you there then |
| 22:32.09 | cupis | Jenson: nm, thanks anyway |
| 22:32.34 | dpash | Jenson: basically people make rational decisions, they take all the available information available to them and then choice the best option |
| 22:32.37 | cupis | dpash: sounds like an interesting topic. |
| 22:32.47 | Jenson | cupis: I'm a newbie, I just pretend that coz I'm a Slack user I might be helpful |
| 22:32.48 | dpash | after weighing up the benefits and the costs |
| 22:32.58 | cupis | dpash: if you have it almost done, I wouldn't mind a read. |
| 22:33.09 | dpash | cupis: you can on Saturday |
| 22:33.30 | dpash | cupis: how would you feel about uplaoding a non-free? |
| 22:34.11 | dpash | cupis: there goes your mandrake user |
| 22:34.23 | cupis | dpash: I'd need a _really_ good reason. What is it? |
| 22:34.29 | cupis | dpash: oh well :) |
| 22:34.32 | dpash | PDFlib |
| 22:34.41 | dpash | and then I have a couple of contribs for you too |
| 22:34.42 | cupis | dpash: upstream website? |
| 22:34.49 | dpash | www.pdflib.com |
| 22:35.04 | dpash | it is a library for generating pdf files |
| 22:35.13 | dpash | not my fault |
| 22:35.28 | cupis | dpash: I worked that one out myself. |
| 22:35.37 | dpash | some one decided to write some decent software which depended on a library which depoends on PDFlib |
| 22:36.01 | cupis | dpash: what the decent software (this is more likely to sway me) |
| 22:36.08 | dpash | XMLroff |
| 22:36.18 | dpash | it is a XML-FO processor |
| 22:36.23 | cupis | xmlroof is bsd, righ. |
| 22:36.26 | cupis | right? |
| 22:36.32 | cupis | but dep's on non-free? |
| 22:36.33 | dpash | converts docbook into pdf |
| 22:36.37 | dpash | tis BSD |
| 22:36.45 | dpash | yeah |
| 22:36.52 | cupis | dpash: I've seen #182445 |
| 22:37.02 | cupis | didn't realise that is was contrib |
| 22:37.05 | dpash | PDFlib is aladdin |
| 22:37.06 | cupis | s/is/it/ |
| 22:37.22 | dpash | cupis: neither did I until after I filed the ITP |
| 22:37.43 | dpash | I also have pangopdf to package too |
| 22:37.48 | dpash | I think it is just the 3 |
| 22:38.13 | dpash | one non-free and two contrib |
| 22:38.21 | cupis | dpash: let me think about it |
| 22:39.46 | Jenson | cupis: He's out getting drunk |
| 22:40.01 | cupis | Jenson: alright for some, eh? and he didn't take you with him? tut. |
| 22:40.10 | Jenson | cupis: I live 100 miles from him |
| 22:40.13 | Jenson | And we're fughting |
| 22:40.16 | Jenson | fighting |
| 22:40.23 | cupis | Jenson: see what happens if you look at dpash with puppy eyes on Sat :) |
| 22:40.37 | Jenson | cupis: Good idea |
| 22:40.38 | cupis | Jenson: I know, and you always seem to be fighting (no offence) |
| 22:40.46 | Jenson | cupis: I know, bloody male |
| 22:41.08 | Jenson | I love him though |
| 22:42.02 | cupis | dpash: yes you do |
| 22:42.08 | dpash | besides I don't think Jenson knows what I look like |
| 22:42.22 | dpash | cupis: hmmm .... nah |
| 22:42.27 | cupis | dpash: fosdem pictures... |
| 22:42.46 | cupis | dpash: you were suppsed to say: "oh no I don't" |
| 22:43.03 | dpash | cupis: I'm too drunk to make any kind of analysis |
| 22:43.09 | Jenson | dpash: You wont cause arguments |
| 22:43.28 | dpash | in the photos |
| 22:43.43 | *** join/#gllug formi (~formi@usr50-har.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 22:43.51 | Jenson | hi formi |
| 22:43.58 | cupis | Jenson: http://photos.geeksgetrevenge.com/fosdem2003/Saturday/img_0065--thumb.jpg |
| 22:44.20 | Jenson | :D he'll love you for that |
| 22:44.25 | dpash | cupis: bastard |
| 22:44.27 | Jenson | http://eco.li/Dan.shtml |
| 22:44.39 | cupis | dpash: your point? |
| 22:44.40 | dpash | Jenson: I met so many new people |
| 22:44.48 | dpash | cupis: can't remember |
| 22:44.50 | cupis | Jenson: 404 |
| 22:45.04 | dpash | dan.html |
| 22:45.07 | cupis | dan.shtml works |
| 22:45.16 | dpash | ah yes |
| 22:45.22 | dpash | now I remember |
| 22:45.32 | Jenson | and one of the fosdem ones is better |
| 22:45.34 | formi | hello |
| 22:45.35 | Jenson | dunno the link |
| 22:45.39 | Jenson | I'll DCC if you want |
| 22:45.45 | Jenson | Evening formi how are you? |
| 22:46.15 | formi | i've found out that the spaniards have managed to outsmart the brits |
| 22:46.35 | Jenson | In what? |
| 22:46.45 | dpash | damn I wish I'd got a photo of me with Bram |
| 22:46.55 | dpash | Jenson: not invading the other country? |
| 22:47.14 | formi | Spanish Embassy computers in Iraq guarded by one gardener |
| 22:47.33 | dpash | did you know we invaded spain last year? |
| 22:47.39 | Jenson | dpash: You can have one of Dan, Armijn and Bram if you want |
| 22:47.44 | formi | hei you couldn't have thought of that one |
| 22:48.00 | dpash | Jenson: not quite the same thing |
| 22:48.31 | formi | dpash: did you really manage to find it? |
| 22:48.35 | murble | does spain have diplomatic relations with Iraq? |
| 22:48.48 | formi | no idea |
| 22:48.59 | dpash | formi: yep |
| 22:49.05 | dpash | http://photos.geeksgetrevenge.com/fosdem2003/Saturday/img_0063.html |
| 22:49.24 | formi | the presi is managing to lick more yankee arse than blair |
| 22:50.29 | formi | I remenber some uk soldiers invading spain near gibraltar a few months ago |
| 22:50.39 | dpash | formi: yep that it the story |
| 22:50.47 | formi | they couldn't read the map |
| 22:50.58 | dpash | heaven help us |
| 22:51.08 | formi | if I were turkish i would be very worried |
| 22:51.48 | formi | dpash: that was the faster retrieval on history |
| 22:52.03 | formi | and it was managed by a taxi driver who shouted at them |
| 22:53.14 | dpash | I still liked the moroccan invasion of spain |
| 22:53.45 | dpash | okay it was over a roky isle the size of 1/2 a football pitch |
| 22:54.04 | dpash | s/roky/rocky/ |
| 22:54.21 | *** join/#gllug Jenson (1000@dial81-131-78-135.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 22:54.56 | cupis | wb Jenson |
| 22:54.59 | Jenson | ty |
| 22:55.05 | formi | it was quite foolish dpash |
| 22:55.33 | dpash | formi: which? |
| 22:55.47 | formi | the morrocans invading that rock |
| 22:56.20 | dpash | maybe google-watch has a point: http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/02/25/1943247&mode=thread&tid=133 |
| 22:56.37 | formi | the bloody spanish military tought of kicking them out and then blow the thing |
| 22:57.31 | Jenson | lol dpash true |
| 22:57.56 | *** join/#gllug dankolb (~dankolb@spookhive.demon.co.uk) |
| 22:58.06 | dpash | hi dan |
| 22:58.20 | cupis | dpash: hi dankolb |
| 22:58.38 | Jenson | hi dan |
| 22:58.44 | dankolb | Hi |
| 22:58.49 | dpash | dankolb: subject is spectactularly foolish miliarty invasions of the last 12 months |
| 22:59.17 | dankolb | :) |
| 22:59.28 | formi | think about the poor iraquies |
| 22:59.40 | *** part/#gllug new2unix_ (~new2unix@ACB59D87.ipt.aol.com) |
| 22:59.41 | dpash | cupis: kword is getting quite usable, shame it only prints in one type |
| 22:59.52 | formi | after all the stupid yank propaganda they have to swallow |
| 23:00.12 | formi | now the americans threaten to invade military |
| 23:00.13 | Jenson | kword is a bugger, on screen and print look totally different |
| 23:00.43 | dpash | formi: if the british and moroccians can not invade anywhere sensibly, how are they going to manage the middle east with bullets coming from in front and behind them |
| 23:01.01 | Jenson | dpash: We shall see |
| 23:01.07 | dpash | Jenson: I think this is a local font config error |
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| 23:01.35 | Jenson | yeah dpash I dont have a font problem |
| 23:01.42 | formi | dpash: behind? you mean the americans rushing them? |
| 23:02.45 | dpash | formi: no, just shooting them |
| 23:03.12 | formi | both armies are quite accurate |
| 23:06.13 | Jenson | I am |
| 23:07.06 | dpash | most people I talk to on irc at anti-war, think bush is a ***t and blair is not far behind |
| 23:07.21 | formi | few, that is such as statement jenson |
| 23:07.57 | dpash | SYNTAX ERROR |
| 23:08.19 | formi | upgrade your cpu |
| 23:11.00 | dpash | okay bed time. I have to finish "Fast Food Nation" |
| 23:11.02 | dpash | http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0141006870/ref=sr_aps_books_1_1/202-7163111-6959063 |
| 23:11.51 | cupis | dpash: bye dpash |
| 23:11.53 | dpash | night |
| 23:11.55 | cupis | hmm |
| 23:12.11 | dpash | cupis: non-free isn;t really /that/ bad |
| 23:12.27 | Jenson | Davilion: I'll have some! |
| 23:12.59 | cupis | dpash: irssi first, then we'll talk |
| 23:13.10 | dpash | cupis: I'll put all mu packages up somewhere for you to have a look at |
| 23:13.14 | dpash | hopefully tomorrow |
| 23:13.31 | Davilion | i mean, how hard is it to fit 4 lunchbox sparc's, 3 notebooks, 3 desktops, 1 poweredge server, one proliant, one small ups, a few pizzaboxes, and 4 monitors into a shoebox |
| 23:13.35 | cupis | dpash: again, no rush. |
| 23:13.39 | dankolb | Not too hard |
| 23:13.47 | Davilion | dankolb: thats what im thinking |
| 23:14.02 | Davilion | i mean im getting rid of the bed so i can get a futon in there, which i can always mount on top of the boxen |
| 23:14.06 | dpash | cupis: sure |
| 23:14.53 | dpash | night |
| 23:15.00 | formi | night |
| 23:15.03 | dankolb | Hah |
| 23:15.03 | dankolb | :) |
| 23:15.04 | dankolb | 'night |
| 23:15.26 | Jenson | night dpash |
| 23:15.38 | Davilion | iss does virtual hosting? |
| 23:15.59 | dankolb | Yeah |
| 23:16.09 | formi | Davilion: it just fakes it |
| 23:16.17 | Davilion | ahh |
| 23:16.39 | formi | that was supposed to be a joke |
| 23:17.20 | dpash | does anyone see my away messages? |
| 23:17.30 | dankolb | No :) |
| 23:17.39 | dpash | hmmm is that good or bad? |
| 23:17.49 | dankolb | Away messages are annoying |
| 23:18.16 | dpash | fairy snuff |
| 23:18.17 | dpash | night |
| 23:18.30 | dankolb | 'night |
| 23:21.14 | Davilion | formi: heh |
| 23:21.34 | formi | Davilion: huh |
| 23:25.55 | Davilion | your iss joke |
| 23:26.01 | Davilion | took a moment for the penny to drop |
| 23:26.47 | formi | what you do in the toilet is your business |
| 23:26.54 | Jenson | lol |
| 23:31.56 | skugg | hi |
| 23:32.02 | Jenson | hiya skugg |
| 23:32.08 | skugg | have you moved Davilion+ |
| 23:32.12 | murble | have people see http://www.national-lottery.co.uk/player/p/home/home.do ? |
| 23:32.15 | skugg | s,+,?, |
| 23:32.20 | skugg | hi jenson |
| 23:32.22 | Davilion | skugg: im moving realsoonnow(tm) |
| 23:32.30 | Davilion | i just need to formalise my rent, notice etc. |
| 23:32.31 | skugg | Davilion, i see. |
| 23:32.53 | skugg | in with the girls? :) |
| 23:32.55 | Davilion | its a bit smaller room wise, but i've got a cupboard, and oh yeah, theres 3 cute women living there |
| 23:33.03 | Davilion | yeah they seem really nice |
| 23:33.06 | Jenson | oooooh |
| 23:33.08 | Jenson | Can I move in |
| 23:33.13 | Jenson | please please please |
| 23:33.17 | Davilion | and are going to go out and pull women for me, and vet any that i bring home for scrutineering |
| 23:33.23 | Davilion | Jenson: NO! All mine :) |
| 23:33.24 | skugg | lived with two girls last year -- it was hell on earth. |
| 23:33.47 | Davilion | heh im looking forward to it, they are clean and tidy. |
| 23:33.50 | dankolb | :) |
| 23:33.59 | Davilion | hmm |
| 23:34.04 | Davilion | polenta is so tasteless. |
| 23:34.10 | dankolb | ? |
| 23:34.33 | skugg | Davilion, i was told so about at least one of the girls I moved in with too, but it turned out to be bull |
| 23:34.35 | Davilion | just made a bowl of polenta cos it was quick. |
| 23:34.41 | dankolb | Okay |
| 23:34.51 | Davilion | no these women are VERY tiday by the looks of it, i mean, the place is soooo spotless |
| 23:34.55 | skugg | wtf is polenta? |
| 23:35.01 | Davilion | skugg: ever heard of pea pudding? |
| 23:35.12 | skugg | Davilion, so they're going to nag at you for making a mess then :D |
| 23:35.24 | dankolb | Or nag for having too many computers? |
| 23:35.24 | skugg | Davilion, no, never heard of... |
| 23:35.27 | Davilion | skugg: not sure, im quite tidy except for my room which stays messy regardless |
| 23:35.36 | skugg | i see. |
| 23:35.40 | Davilion | skugg: ahh, well polenta is like the spanish equivilent of pea pudding |
| 23:35.47 | Davilion | pea pudding is what youg et the north of england or something |
| 23:35.50 | Davilion | ibot pea pudding |
| 23:35.51 | | Davilion: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 23:35.57 | Jenson | :) |
| 23:35.59 | Jenson | Yerah try there |
| 23:36.16 | Davilion | ibot pea pudding is a northern dish made out of split peas, its rather tasteless, and a bit like poridge in consistancy |
| 23:36.16 | | okay, Davilion |
| 23:36.20 | skugg | my housemate thinks I've got "an obsession with cleaning and tidying" but I don't really, :P |
| 23:37.16 | Davilion | ibot porridge gives you a hairy chest |
| 23:37.16 | | Davilion: are you using Windows? |
| 23:37.23 | Davilion | ibot porridge is what gives you a hairy chest |
| 23:37.24 | | okay, Davilion |
| 23:37.48 | Davilion | ibot polenta is like the italian version of pea pudding made from pure starch with some more starch added in for good measure. |
| 23:37.49 | | Davilion: okay |
| 23:38.04 | Davilion | skugg: i've got no obsession, but i do like things to be tidy |
| 23:38.07 | Jenson | ibot Davilion is also talks crap |
| 23:38.09 | | Jenson: please, watch your language. |
| 23:38.13 | Jenson | doh |
| 23:38.19 | dankolb | Heh |
| 23:38.22 | Davilion | i hate dishes, and i wanted a place with a dishwasher |
| 23:38.26 | Davilion | ibot sensor Jenson |
| 23:38.26 | | Davilion: I give up, what is it? |
| 23:38.30 | dankolb | censor |
| 23:38.30 | Davilion | smeg. |
| 23:38.34 | Davilion | ibot censor Jenson |
| 23:38.34 | | Davilion: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 23:38.38 | Davilion | smeg. |
| 23:38.38 | Jenson | lmfao |
| 23:38.43 | Jenson | ibot lart Davilion |
| 23:38.49 | Davilion | ibot lart larting |
| 23:39.50 | Davilion | and this place has a massive dishwasher, which is good, cos i dont mind washing up, just not in little bits id' rather save it up so that should make things easier |
| 23:41.07 | formi_brb | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:41.39 | Jenson | wb formi |
| 23:41.44 | Davilion | night all |
| 23:41.50 | dankolb | 'night Dave |
| 23:41.58 | *** join/#gllug OrangeSkies (~alex@ppp-225-21-71.friaco.access.uk.tiscali.com) |
| 23:42.01 | skugg | Davilion, heh, i prefer to wash things up as i go |
| 23:42.03 | Jenson | wb OrangeSkies |
| 23:42.06 | OrangeSkies | hiya |
| 23:42.12 | Davilion | skugg: i just can't do that |
| 23:42.16 | Davilion | it drives me mental, |
| 23:42.19 | dankolb | Ooh. Not IRCing as root. Good :) |
| 23:42.22 | OrangeSkies | anyone fancy helping me with some mandrake problems? |
| 23:42.36 | Davilion | like i use a knife, i can't just wash it and dry it whilst i stirr my whatever |
| 23:42.39 | Jenson | the only other mandrake user has gone |
| 23:42.51 | Jenson | Davilion: wipe it on ya jeans lol |
| 23:42.53 | OrangeSkies | d'oh |
| 23:42.55 | Davilion | so i end up with a nice pile of dishes at the end of the day then get too tired to washem, |
| 23:42.58 | dankolb | OrangeSkies: What problems? |
| 23:43.04 | skugg | Davilion, that said I usually accumulate a little stack ( <4 ) of plates in my room before I wash them... |
| 23:43.16 | Davilion | heh yeah my room is a different matter |
| 23:43.22 | Jenson | ty Davilion |
| 23:43.25 | Davilion | anything that goes in here isnt garanteed to come back |
| 23:43.26 | OrangeSkies | i cant get lilo to allow me to boot up in xp |
| 23:43.36 | Jenson | is that bad? |
| 23:43.42 | dankolb | Okay... |
| 23:43.49 | formi | orange that is a very wise lilo |
| 23:43.50 | dankolb | Why not? |
| 23:43.58 | dankolb | Does it just not give you the option? |
| 23:43.59 | OrangeSkies | hehe |
| 23:44.09 | OrangeSkies | ill tell paste the error.. |
| 23:44.14 | skugg | Davilion, only stuff that cannot be washed while preparing the meal though -- pots / pans and utensils are washed as I go |
| 23:44.42 | cupis | formi: can you help with getting mandrake 9 with nvidia drivers and geforce4 ti4800 to do dual-screen? |
| 23:44.42 | cupis | (please) |
| 23:44.53 | formi | nope |
| 23:45.10 | cupis | formi: heh. okay. |
| 23:45.30 | formi | you might try any of the mdk lists |
| 23:45.42 | cupis | formi: the mandrake 9 install kernel can't even identify that card, lol |
| 23:45.57 | cupis | formi: it's not that important - it's for an XP user. |
| 23:46.20 | formi | are those drivers closed source? |
| 23:46.40 | formi | you might have to cook a kernel |
| 23:47.39 | cupis | formi: the drivers work. it's the dual-screen I was having trouble with. |
| 23:48.01 | formi | have you googled around? |
| 23:48.34 | formi | I have dumped mdk from all my non-headless machines |
| 23:48.45 | formi | appart from the old thinkpad |
| 23:48.59 | cupis | the install kernel didn't have a clue and X couldn't find the card, so I downloaded the nvidia rpm's and installed. got X working eventually in single screen mode. googled for a while but couldn't find anything. I'll will have another look tomorrow, but it's not that important. |
| 23:54.20 | formi | are you sure the support for that is implemented on the drivers? |
| 23:54.48 | cupis | formi: no. But i have thought of that. |
| 23:59.55 | formi | can't offer more help |
