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| 00:18.13 | zachary | good morning! |
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| 01:51.55 | dank_work | Morning |
| 01:58.08 | highbury | morning |
| 02:02.44 | dank_work | Did you figure out the tables? |
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| 04:42.11 | SpudWLike | It is something I always forgot to do, maybe because I didn't get enough reminders, but...., do you want to post details of the meetings to comp.os.linux.announce and uk.comp.os.linux? |
| 04:45.09 | Leeds | yup |
| 04:45.31 | SpudUAway | Yup, I always forgot?????? |
| 04:45.37 | SpudUAway | ;-) |
| 04:46.14 | Leeds | yup |
| 04:46.16 | Leeds | :-) |
| 04:46.40 | SpudUAway | Remember to post separately to each group, the *.announce group drops messages with multiple groups. |
| 04:46.44 | Leeds | yeah |
| 04:47.28 | Leeds | it's not like I actually read those groups... uk.comp.os.linux has 19581 unread messages in my newsreader :-) |
| 04:53.29 | dank_work | :-) |
| 04:54.22 | dank_work | Aha. It seems Mr. Fryer is behind all those McDonald's SMS 'competitions' |
| 04:59.42 | highbury | SpudUAway: I was just about to start posting, I'm just waiting on a reply first |
| 05:00.28 | highbury | so please no postings yet |
| 05:01.10 | highbury | and besides, the decision is made on #gllugadmin, not this channel! |
| 05:03.54 | Leeds | dank_work: I did notice that... with some horror... oh, and he's hosting with positive too, by the looks of things :-) |
| 05:06.32 | dank_work | Yup. So if we get McDonald's SMS, we can prod people at Positive to shut off his DNS :) |
| 05:33.41 | SpudULike | dank_work: Is that Mr D.F. Fryer? |
| 05:34.58 | SpudULike | That is, as in, Mr Deep Fat Fryer. |
| 05:36.24 | SpudULike | Look, I can't help it if I've just listened to 24 hours worth of solid pun can I? |
| 05:37.33 | Leeds | 24 hours of solid pun??? sounds dangerous... |
| 05:37.55 | dank_work | SpudULike: Yep |
| 05:38.39 | SpudULike | Having downloaded all the episodes of 'The Burkiss Way' from alt.binaries.sounds.radio.bbc |
| 05:39.17 | Leeds | never heard of it... |
| 05:39.31 | SpudULike | And you point? |
| 05:39.42 | Leeds | yes, I point |
| 06:24.10 | SpudULike | Must go get some food..... |
| 06:24.21 | SpudULike | ....having run out of Jaffa Cakes. |
| 06:24.45 | Leeds | yes... lunch |
| 06:25.03 | Tarragon | Can you get some more Borbon biscuits as well. |
| 06:27.44 | SpudULike | What's the history behind Nice biscuits? |
| 06:28.28 | SpudULike | Were they made in Nice or did someone just think they tasted...... |
| 06:28.48 | SpudULike | like a town in the south of France? |
| 06:29.40 | SpudULike | For the record, I already know about the Earl of RichTea! |
| 06:29.48 | Leeds | I just googled for that... it didn't have the answer, but respect for the guy who runs the site nicecupofteaandasitdown.com |
| 06:29.56 | Tarragon | From the makers website -"This is an unmistakable biscuit with its sprinkled sugar topping and crisp texture. |
| 06:29.56 | Tarragon | Nice biscuits have been a family favourite since 1922. Named after the city in the south of France, Nice biscuits were considered to be a sophisticated treat to have with morning or afternoon tea." |
| 06:31.05 | SpudULike | S'pose they would.... |
| 06:31.13 | SpudULike | ... being French. |
| 06:31.40 | SpudULike | Cyril's not about, is he? |
| 06:32.01 | Leeds | not seen him in a while... |
| 06:32.58 | SpudULike | Sorry, my mistake. |
| 06:33.31 | SpudULike | Viscount RichTea. |
| 06:34.11 | SpudULike | "Nurse, quickly nurse, bring the screens!" |
| 06:34.54 | dank_work | Cyril came on last night. Late last night. |
| 06:35.02 | dank_work | After I went to bed |
| 06:35.54 | SpudULike | You're right, 12 - 2. |
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| 06:46.48 | SpudULike | Well, that's ibot updated then. Now he knows all there is to know about biscuits. |
| 06:47.23 | Leeds | ibot nice |
| 06:47.23 | | Leeds: wish i knew |
| 06:47.27 | Leeds | ibot nice biscuit |
| 06:47.27 | | Leeds: no idea |
| 06:47.31 | Leeds | ibot SpudULike |
| 06:47.31 | | methinks spudulike is Colin, rarely Mr Murphy. |
| 06:47.41 | SpudULike | nice biscuits |
| 06:47.48 | SpudULike | ibot nice biscuits |
| 06:47.48 | | nice biscuits are biscuits that originally come from the South of France. |
| 06:48.08 | SpudULike | You'll have to work the others out for yourselves. |
| 06:48.22 | Leeds | ibot jaffa cakes |
| 06:48.22 | | Leeds: are you smoking crack? |
| 06:48.32 | Leeds | ibot club |
| 06:48.32 | | bugger all, i dunno, Leeds |
| 06:48.33 | SpudULike | There cakes! |
| 06:48.37 | Leeds | ibot club biscuits |
| 06:48.37 | | i don't know, Leeds |
| 06:48.44 | Leeds | if you want a lot of chocolate... |
| 06:48.57 | SpudULike | ... eat chocolate. |
| 06:49.12 | Leeds | if you want a lot of chocolate on your biscuit... |
| 06:52.09 | Tarragon | ... join our club! |
| 06:52.11 | SpudULike | .. join our autonomous collective? |
| 06:52.33 | Leeds | join our movement, brother! |
| 06:52.39 | Tarragon | ibot borbon biscuits |
| 06:52.39 | | Tarragon: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 06:53.00 | Tarragon | ibot richtea biscuits |
| 06:53.00 | | Tarragon: wish i knew |
| 06:53.16 | SpudULike | Creams! |
| 06:53.19 | Tarragon | ibot custard cream biscuits |
| 06:53.19 | | Tarragon: bugger all, i dunno |
| 06:53.33 | SpudULike | Custard Creams |
| 06:53.37 | SpudULike | ibot Custard Creams |
| 06:53.37 | | custard creams are biscuits that are best eaten in three parts. |
| 06:53.54 | Tarragon | ibot Penguin biscuits |
| 06:53.54 | | Tarragon: i haven't a clue |
| 06:53.55 | Leeds | ibot oreo |
| 06:53.55 | | Leeds: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 06:54.17 | SpudULike | I agree with Ibot on Oreo's! |
| 06:54.29 | Tarragon | ibot Penguin biscuits are better than Tim Tams |
| 06:54.29 | | Tarragon: okay |
| 06:55.05 | Leeds | right... I'm hungry... going for lunch |
| 07:07.57 | dank_work | Hmm. Why do journalists always say that a film is 'competing with others that come out'. Surely it doesn't matter - if people want to see $FILM and the competing ones, they will. |
| 07:08.41 | dank_work | Not say, 'oh, I wanted to watch LOTR, but I'll watch James Bond instead. I can't watch both' |
| 07:08.59 | SpudULike | What do weathermen mean by nuisance rain? |
| 07:09.24 | eye69 | This Neil Fryer guy is driving me mad. |
| 07:09.28 | Tarragon | No - Competing for the spend money in your pocket. Eventually it gets to the point where you can afford to see x films but not x+1 films so there is a competition. |
| 07:10.12 | eye69 | Good afternoon btw |
| 07:10.14 | SpudULike | Unless they are referring to open weekend competition! |
| 07:10.20 | dank_work | Hi eye69 |
| 07:10.36 | dank_work | Tarragon: I can afford to see 3 films. |
| 07:11.18 | dank_work | They seem to think it's important that a film gets as much money in the first 2 weeks. Even if it runs in the cinemas for 2 months. |
| 07:11.26 | dank_work | Stupid Hollywood idiots. |
| 07:11.35 | dank_work | eye69: What's Neil done now to you? |
| 07:11.42 | dank_work | A test. Yes. |
| 07:12.31 | skugg | eye69, agree about neil... |
| 07:12.48 | eye69 | The guy is posting loads of stupid question to the list. |
| 07:13.09 | dank_work | Would you hire him as a sysadmin? |
| 07:13.27 | Tarragon | Maybe the films are competing for your time, or which girl you want to take. |
| 07:13.38 | dank_work | Tarragon: Well, time, anyway. |
| 07:14.11 | eye69 | Lookie...another question |
| 07:14.36 | skugg | i've got a debian problem... all http traffic is filtered through a proxy here at uni, and apt-get update doesn't like it. I cannot seem to get apt-get adhere to the HTTP_PROXY env. variable... |
| 07:14.52 | dank_work | Use Slackware. |
| 07:14.54 | dank_work | :-P |
| 07:15.00 | eye69 | skugg: It's http_proxy...ie. not caps... |
| 07:15.27 | skugg | hm... if it's that simple, i'm going to scream... |
| 07:15.36 | eye69 | skugg: My apt-get doesn't have any problems with "http_proxy="http://arthur.advfn.com/3128/" |
| 07:16.30 | skugg | you sure it's "/3128" and not ":3128" ? |
| 07:16.38 | eye69 | Oops. Sorry. |
| 07:16.49 | eye69 | "http_proxy="http://arthur.advfn.com:3128/" |
| 07:17.33 | eye69 | skugg: 'man apt.conf' says that it should be http_proxy and not HTTP_PROXY :) |
| 07:18.01 | skugg | but lynx uses HTTP_PROXY, so I assumed it was that... |
| 07:18.19 | skugg | normally env. variables are in all caps. |
| 07:18.25 | skugg | (afaik) |
| 07:18.56 | eye69 | Search for "http_proxy" in 'man lynx' |
| 07:19.29 | skugg | don't care, really. it works now. |
| 07:19.37 | eye69 | :) |
| 07:19.40 | skugg | thanks :) |
| 07:19.43 | Leeds | http_proxy is usually it |
| 07:20.06 | skugg | okay, i admit defeat :) |
| 07:20.10 | eye69 | Heh |
| 07:23.29 | dank_work | So apt is written by a fule who doesn't know environment variables? ;-) |
| 07:36.26 | Tarragon | Where is the docs for ibot? |
| 07:36.42 | dank_work | ibot ibot |
| 07:36.42 | | hmm... ibot is a blootbot now, no longer an infobot. run by BZFlag on his server. a parse error, or a bastard |
| 07:36.55 | dank_work | Try www.rikers.org/ibot |
| 07:36.59 | dank_work | ibot logs |
| 07:36.59 | | http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ |
| 07:37.07 | dank_work | Or even ibot.rikers.org ? |
| 07:39.51 | Tarragon | Is there any documentation for controlling him/her/it ? |
| 07:41.43 | SpudULike | ibot help |
| 07:48.33 | Leeds | bllotbot.sf.net |
| 07:56.21 | SpudUAway | blootbot.sf.net |
| 07:57.49 | Tarragon | No documentation yet. |
| 07:59.28 | Leeds | yeah, I can't type |
| 07:59.44 | Leeds | Tarragon: use the source... or ask bzflag for help, since he's hacking on it |
| 08:11.14 | zachary | brb, 1 - 2 hrs |
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| 08:11.25 | formi | hello |
| 08:11.58 | formi | can somebody recommed an online mail relay tester? |
| 08:13.08 | Leeds | spammersrus.com |
| 08:13.21 | formi | thanks leeds |
| 08:13.28 | Leeds | that was a joke... |
| 08:13.53 | Leeds | tell me your machine name and I'll try to relay through it |
| 08:14.10 | formi | next time mention that is a joke on the same line, somebody might jump the gun |
| 08:14.38 | dank_work | There's also % hacks. Something like: enduser%enddomain%SMTP@relay.domain |
| 08:14.54 | formi | bsd.oemspace.co.uk |
| 08:15.07 | formi | 62.190.123.172 |
| 08:15.17 | dank_work | www.spammersrus.com doesn't exist. Want to register it? |
| 08:15.52 | Leeds | 550 5.7.1 richard.cohen@sun.com... Relaying denied |
| 08:15.57 | formi | toysrus might try to sue you |
| 08:16.28 | formi | standard relay are denied, i was wondering about more elaborated ones |
| 08:16.52 | Leeds | oh, dunno about that... |
| 08:16.56 | formi | it has the default sendmai config on freebsd 4.7 |
| 08:17.23 | formi | so it "should" be pretty safe, but it never hurts to check it |
| 08:18.05 | dank_work | Try relaying to richard.cohen%sun.com%SMTP@bsd.oemspace.co.uk |
| 08:19.17 | Leeds | 550 5.7.1 richard.cohen%sun.com%SMTP@bsd.oemspace.co.uk... Relaying denied |
| 08:19.26 | formi | somebody told me quite a long time ago about a site that performs a variety of tests, |
| 08:19.52 | formi | actually it could have been jason |
| 08:21.08 | formi | or stig |
| 08:21.50 | dank_work | www.google.com - search for 'mail server relay testing' |
| 08:22.02 | formi | i did |
| 08:22.15 | SpudUAway | www.abuse.net |
| 08:22.29 | formi | the name of orysoft sounds familiar |
| 08:31.48 | formi | http://www.paladincorp.com.au/unix/spam/spamlart/ |
| 08:32.01 | formi | that one is easy and nice |
| 08:35.28 | formi | back in a few minutes, I have to report home |
| 08:46.41 | skugg | the mxverify page i've spouted a few times before is at: http://vger.kernel.org/mxverify.html |
| 08:47.47 | skugg | if that's what you're on about : |
| 08:47.48 | skugg | :) |
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| 09:09.03 | formi | unbelivable |
| 09:09.27 | formi | this bloody country is unbelivable |
| 09:10.15 | formi | the petrol tanker that spilled oil in the north west coast of spain was navigating illegally |
| 09:10.31 | formi | under the umbrella of the uk |
| 09:13.20 | formi | thanks to the pirates of gibraltar |
| 09:15.13 | dank_work | :) |
| 09:16.30 | formi | they didn't have enough with letting the drug dealers do their business openly |
| 09:17.58 | formi | on top of the usual tax avoidance |
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| 10:39.12 | dank_work | Hrm. My server is missing memory |
| 10:41.24 | Leeds | going senile? |
| 10:42.25 | formi | it happens to everybody at some point, my sincere condolences! |
| 10:42.26 | dank_work | Yeah. It's a few months old already :) |
| 10:43.22 | formi | i can offer a caring nursing home for it at a good price |
| 10:43.47 | dank_work | No thanks. I'll get the memory back for it :) |
| 10:43.52 | dank_work | Plus I still need it |
| 10:44.33 | dank_work | Fuck this is slow. |
| 10:44.43 | dank_work | I *need* at least 256Mb RAM. Preferably 1Gb |
| 10:46.05 | Leeds | how much have you got? |
| 10:46.10 | dank_work | 128 |
| 10:46.18 | Leeds | ugh |
| 10:46.25 | Leeds | got 64Mb in my PDA :-) |
| 10:51.46 | dank_work | :) |
| 10:52.27 | Leeds | and over 1Gb of storage... |
| 10:52.35 | dank_work | *mumble* |
| 10:53.06 | dank_work | :) |
| 10:53.38 | Leeds | mmm... ogg |
| 10:53.50 | Leeds | must get mplayer for iPAQ running... |
| 10:58.34 | dank_work | Yeh |
| 10:59.09 | dank_work | I can't cope with the slowness any more! |
| 10:59.16 | dank_work | I NEED MORE RAM |
| 10:59.49 | dank_work | Byee |
| 13:52.56 | formi | ... |
| 13:59.20 | eye69 | ... |
| 13:59.30 | formi | .... |
| 14:01.31 | skugg | .. |
| 14:01.36 | skugg | <-- is minimalistic |
| 14:01.49 | formi | or less elocuent |
| 14:02.21 | skugg | do you mean "eloquent"? :D |
| 14:02.50 | formi | locus |
| 14:02.56 | formi | latin |
| 14:03.28 | skugg | normally i try to stick to three dots, the typographical "ellipsis", but just to be different I used two just now before. |
| 14:04.16 | formi | that's the problem when you are changing between a language comming from the latin and a language that imitated the latin |
| 14:04.44 | skugg | bah, I know nothing about such matters |
| 14:04.59 | skugg | i'm a renegade viking! |
| 14:05.09 | formi | i love the word desperado |
| 14:05.56 | formi | just wondering what happened to "es" in des"es"perado |
| 14:06.57 | formi | there should be some words in galician from the vikings |
| 14:07.45 | skugg | possibly |
| 14:07.46 | formi | they used to come on working holidays |
| 14:08.03 | skugg | yes, so i'm told. i can't remeber though, i was very young :P |
| 14:08.12 | skugg | s,meb,memb, |
| 14:08.48 | formi | what's the word for horn? |
| 14:09.58 | skugg | "horn" |
| 14:10.03 | skugg | simply |
| 14:11.18 | formi | who knows there could be some viking blood in me |
| 14:11.51 | formi | is there the word hornamental in english? |
| 14:13.10 | formi | sounds like crazy horn to me |
| 14:13.40 | skugg | not according to the dictionaries i've got... |
| 14:14.04 | formi | it means |
| 14:14.15 | formi | decorative |
| 14:14.39 | formi | which kind of relate to why the vikings had horns |
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| 14:15.18 | formi | appart from promiscous wifes |
| 14:15.41 | skugg | there's "ornamental" which means "serving an esthetic rather than a useful purpose" which is close. |
| 14:15.43 | formi | s/wifes/wives |
| 14:15.47 | whatname | there's a lot of people in here more than i expected |
| 14:16.33 | formi | my transaltion was a bit loose, it's the same word |
| 14:17.13 | formi | it's odd, in spanish, portuguese and galician, h has no sound |
| 14:18.10 | formi | so that might indicate the word came from the south of europe |
| 14:18.44 | whatname | h has no sound in french either |
| 14:18.52 | formi | whatname, what were you exactly expecting? |
| 14:19.16 | formi | i left if out cause i don't know any french |
| 14:20.42 | whatname | to be honest, i dont know |
| 14:23.16 | formi | it is friday night |
| 14:24.26 | formi | im off as soon i finish compiling a kerenl and testing it |
| 14:24.47 | formi | kernel |
| 14:33.23 | whatname | quick question, i don't know if anyone is having this problem, but when i switch consoles from X (Display 7) to another (eg. Display 1), X suddenly restarts. |
| 14:33.36 | formi | which is resulting a bit more complicated than I thought |
| 14:33.49 | whatname | and this has happened in all distros I've used, even a bootable from cd one |
| 14:34.12 | formi | are you sure that it is really restarting? |
| 14:34.22 | whatname | well maybe it's crashing, i don't know |
| 14:34.40 | whatname | but i just suddenly get switched back to display 7 and i've got the login screen |
| 14:36.20 | formi | are you using xdm, kdm or gdm ? |
| 14:36.36 | whatname | kdm |
| 14:37.59 | formi | have you tried to see what happends if you boot in level 3 and then do a startx, and then try to switch terminals |
| 14:38.44 | formi | i don't personally like to boot straight into level 5 |
| 14:38.48 | whatname | er no |
| 14:39.13 | formi | im not sure but that might be a side effect of running kdm |
| 14:39.24 | formi | and be completely normal |
| 14:40.22 | whatname | i'm using mandrake 9.0 at the moment |
| 14:40.34 | whatname | i've tried switching to gdm but it keeps switching back to kdm |
| 14:41.31 | formi | i use it personally, but i don't let it mess with my pcs |
| 14:41.57 | formi | basically I do the minimum install possible and the ad the bits i want |
| 14:42.30 | formi | no linuxconf, wizards, and I trim the cron jobs |
| 14:43.37 | formi | actually im thinking about dropping it completely, it starts behaving like windows |
| 14:47.09 | whatname | are you saying that mandrake is behaving like windows? |
| 14:47.26 | formi | yeah changing things without asking me |
| 14:50.11 | formi | it might be a good thing for newbie, but is annoying me |
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| 14:58.49 | dankolb | Evening |
| 14:58.54 | dankolb | ibot insult power cuts |
| 14:59.14 | formi | not quite ibot |
| 15:00.11 | formi | hi dank |
| 15:00.37 | formi | im having an interesting time compiling a freebsd kernel |
| 15:01.18 | formi | and wondering why is it compiling stuff i didn't ask for |
| 15:02.20 | dankolb | Because there's two configuration files? |
| 15:03.07 | formi | really? |
| 15:03.23 | dankolb | Yeah. I think. |
| 15:03.31 | formi | basically i copied generic to formi |
| 15:03.47 | dankolb | Yeah. Which is what you should do |
| 15:03.56 | formi | the adjusted it |
| 15:04.09 | formi | /usr/sbin/config formi |
| 15:04.19 | formi | cd ../../compile/formi |
| 15:04.28 | formi | make depend & make |
| 15:04.45 | dankolb | Sounds reasonable |
| 15:05.15 | formi | it is compiling sound drivers i didnt ask for |
| 15:05.54 | formi | the first time i did it i didnt inclued mii which i needed |
| 15:06.08 | formi | so i did a make clean |
| 15:06.19 | dankolb | Right |
| 15:06.25 | formi | rm -rf compile/formi |
| 15:06.31 | formi | and started again |
| 15:07.12 | dankolb | Fair enough |
| 15:09.21 | formi | i suppose i will need to wipe /usr/src/sys and start again |
| 15:10.59 | dankolb | Hm. That shouldn't be necessary |
| 15:11.20 | formi | already done, do you know the name of the file with the kernel sources? |
| 15:12.07 | formi | i would prefer avoiding downloading it again? |
| 15:13.22 | dankolb | srcsys.tar.gz |
| 15:13.47 | formi | i dont think i have that one in the cdroms |
| 15:14.17 | dankolb | Should be. |
| 15:15.24 | dankolb | ssrc? |
| 15:15.55 | formi | nope |
| 15:16.13 | formi | there is /src on the first disk |
| 15:17.06 | formi | -r--r--r-- 1 its-form its-form 240640 Oct 9 16:17 ssys.bl |
| 15:17.06 | formi | -r--r--r-- 1 its-form its-form 240640 Oct 9 16:17 ssys.bm |
| 15:17.06 | formi | -r--r--r-- 1 its-form its-form 240640 Oct 9 16:17 ssys.bn |
| 15:17.06 | formi | -r--r--r-- 1 its-form its-form 240640 Oct 9 16:17 ssys.bo |
| 15:17.06 | formi | -r--r--r-- 1 its-form its-form 240640 Oct 9 16:17 ssys.bp |
| 15:17.06 | formi | -r--r--r-- 1 its-form its-form 240640 Oct 9 16:17 ssys.bq |
| 15:17.08 | formi | -r--r--r-- 1 its-form its-form 240640 Oct 9 16:17 ssys.br |
| 15:17.10 | formi | -r--r--r-- 1 its-form its-form 240640 Oct 9 16:17 ssys.bs |
| 15:17.13 | formi | -r--r--r-- 1 its-form its-form 240640 Oct 9 16:17 ssys.bt |
| 15:17.17 | formi | quite a few of those |
| 15:17.23 | dankolb | Yeah. That's probaly it. Lots of file |
| 15:17.32 | dankolb | cat ssys.* | tar -tzf - |
| 15:17.57 | formi | i will try a scp |
| 15:19.05 | dankolb | Of the sources? |
| 15:19.22 | formi | yeap |
| 15:19.36 | formi | they are in another machine on the network |
| 15:20.06 | dankolb | Ah right |
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| 15:22.36 | dankolb | Hi paul |
| 15:22.53 | formi | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:22.54 | formi | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:22.54 | formi | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:22.54 | formi | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:22.55 | formi | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:22.58 | formi | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:23.10 | cupis | Hi dankolb |
| 15:23.15 | dankolb | formi: Eh? |
| 15:23.28 | formi | oi |
| 15:23.56 | cupis | formi: what was that all about? |
| 15:24.10 | dankolb | FreeBSD problems |
| 15:26.34 | formi | back to ftp |
| 15:26.46 | dankolb | Yeah |
| 15:27.03 | formi | it is odd |
| 15:27.26 | formi | ok, i have the cdroms copied as disk1, disk2,... |
| 15:27.39 | formi | the ftp server is working |
| 15:28.16 | formi | and i give the full path to sysinstall but it keepd complaining that it can't find the files |
| 15:28.26 | dankolb | Ah |
| 15:30.39 | cupis | formi: does the ftp server log show that a) the client is getting to it and/ro b) that is requesting the wrong file(s)? |
| 15:31.14 | formi | i suppose sysinstall is looking for some file that it doesn't find |
| 15:31.27 | formi | back in a minute |
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| 15:35.31 | BorgBaby | hi all |
| 15:36.13 | formi | heloo |
| 15:36.20 | dankolb | Hi BorgBaby |
| 15:36.26 | formi | anybody with the telly on? |
| 15:36.33 | dankolb | Nope. |
| 15:36.48 | BorgBaby | formi: yeah, I have |
| 15:36.50 | formi | they are showing a film, the typical terrorist hijacks plane.. |
| 15:36.54 | formi | bomb |
| 15:37.03 | BorgBaby | what channel? |
| 15:37.06 | formi | and the case with the bomb has a harddisk |
| 15:37.17 | formi | itc |
| 15:37.26 | formi | itv |
| 15:37.40 | formi | and you can see it openned |
| 15:37.54 | BorgBaby | got newsnight on here - exciting or what? |
| 15:38.43 | BorgBaby | is the hard disk used for anything? |
| 15:39.04 | formi | it is supposed to be connected to the bomb |
| 15:39.22 | formi | i have switched to the music awards |
| 15:39.49 | formi | and this black guy just said "snipper has been caught in america" |
| 15:40.04 | BorgBaby | sniper? |
| 15:40.05 | formi | he thing is being broadcast from barcelona, |
| 15:40.12 | formi | nobody gives a shit |
| 15:40.39 | formi | that guy that killed a few ppl from the boot of a car |
| 15:40.55 | BorgBaby | newsreaders doing Rocky Horror on the beeb |
| 15:42.22 | formi | i don't get it, why are they talking in english if broadcasting from spain? |
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| 15:42.39 | dankolb | Back soon |
| 15:42.45 | Leeds | children in need? |
| 15:42.54 | BorgBaby | perhaps they're trying to maximise their audience |
| 15:43.01 | BorgBaby | yep (c.i.n.) |
| 15:43.25 | BorgBaby | talking of snipers & things - just read a read a weird article |
| 15:43.31 | BorgBaby | http://www.dirtycircus.com/board/replylist.asp?TID=9117&recordno=0 |
| 15:43.56 | BorgBaby | about police in London going round disguised as tramps with sniffer dogs to sniff out suicide bombers |
| 15:44.13 | Leeds | tramps have sniffer dogs? |
| 15:44.24 | BorgBaby | no, the police do! ;-) |
| 15:44.31 | Leeds | :-) |
| 15:44.37 | formi | so americans believe the whole europe speaks english |
| 15:44.59 | formi | one thing is to be literate and speak more than one language |
| 15:45.08 | BorgBaby | I wouldn't be surprised |
| 15:45.51 | BorgBaby | they could always use subtitles + its not even like the artists names would change anyway |
| 15:46.05 | Leeds | speaking English would be a good start for Americans... |
| 15:46.24 | formi | pamela anderson is one of the presenters |
| 15:46.46 | formi | so don't expect her to speak properly |
| 15:47.14 | Leeds | this doesn't look like rocky horror |
| 15:47.41 | BorgBaby | it was 5 mins ago - just one song |
| 15:47.46 | formi | oh i get it, it is the mtv music awards |
| 15:47.55 | Leeds | oh, I'll turn over then... |
| 15:48.32 | formi | the audience of mtv in spain is tiny |
| 15:48.39 | Leeds | Yoda the Hedgehog! |
| 15:49.34 | formi | that is what you want to be when you grow up, isn't it? |
| 15:49.48 | Leeds | grow up? |
| 15:49.54 | BorgBaby | heard something about the "Mtv Generation" on the news today - not exactly sure who they're on about - does anyone really watch it anymore (for more than 10 mins anyway)? |
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| 15:50.07 | Leeds | I listen to 6music instead :-) |
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| 15:50.18 | formi | they are on funny pills prolly |
| 15:50.20 | dankolb | Grr. Missed what I wanted to see |
| 15:50.22 | dankolb | Hey Jenson |
| 15:50.30 | Jenson | Hey dan! |
| 15:50.32 | BorgBaby | no - low attention spans! |
| 15:50.52 | formi | i love this ad |
| 15:51.02 | Leeds | dankolb: and I blame you for making me watch it for a couple of minutes |
| 15:51.04 | formi | the calsberg export with the old lady |
| 15:51.17 | dankolb | I blame other people for saying it's on, when it had finished by the time I got there |
| 15:51.43 | formi | so you mean you don't have a telly by the pc? |
| 15:51.56 | Leeds | evening Jenson... |
| 15:52.52 | Leeds | formi: my PC *is* my telly |
| 15:52.52 | BorgBaby | i've got my back to mine (I can hear it) |
| 15:52.52 | formi | hi |
| 15:52.53 | Jenson | Hey Leeds |
| 15:52.53 | formi | hey jenson |
| 15:52.54 | Jenson | I can't see either TVs from my PC |
| 15:52.54 | Leeds | I usually have the TV on in another window... |
| 15:52.54 | skugg | no multitaskin capabilites |
| 15:52.55 | skugg | +g |
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| 15:53.41 | Leeds | bloody sourceforge bloody redirector |
| 15:53.55 | BorgBaby | heh |
| 15:54.13 | dankolb | Nope |
| 15:54.24 | Leeds | why can't the 'download' link actually download the bloody file? |
| 15:54.41 | skugg | that would be too easy |
| 15:54.57 | dankolb | Bandwidth, or something |
| 15:54.59 | skugg | no place to put adverts you know... |
| 15:55.12 | Leeds | skugg: I think that's it :-( |
| 15:55.17 | formi | yeap it is annoying |
| 15:55.29 | formi | reminds me of tucows |
| 15:55.38 | skugg | are they still alive? |
| 15:55.51 | Leeds | I haven't been to tucows for a very very long time - last time I heard of them was when they spun of lwn |
| 15:56.05 | Leeds | I think they are mainly srs now, with a bit of the old tucows hanging off |
| 15:56.22 | skugg | srs? what's that? |
| 15:56.27 | skugg | don't be so cryptic man :) |
| 15:56.34 | formi | tu is spanish for you |
| 15:56.35 | dankolb | Domain registrar |
| 15:56.57 | Leeds | opensrs is their wholesale domain registration thing... makes it possible to register your own domains if you do any more than a couple per month |
| 15:57.40 | Leeds | as I understand it, that is where a large majority of their revenue now comes from - but they started it as a small side operation |
| 15:58.16 | Leeds | (I've got the end of one of the Batman films on - there are hundreds of penguins attacking the city - about to kill everyone...) |
| 15:58.36 | BorgBaby | yeah... Penquins Attack! ;-) |
| 15:58.44 | dankolb | Speaking of penguins, Jon Masters is looking for sponsorship to dress up as a penguin all day |
| 15:58.47 | Jenson | lol Borg |
| 15:59.02 | Leeds | bloody big penguin... |
| 15:59.16 | BorgBaby | i'll buy him a beer |
| 15:59.24 | dankolb | Yeah. Shipping costs to Antarctic might be a bit much |
| 15:59.24 | formi | somebody should do the batman sign on the sky thingy with a penguin over gates house |
| 15:59.36 | Leeds | I'll buy him some rotten raw fish |
| 15:59.49 | Leeds | masters, that is... I don't hate gates that much |
| 15:59.51 | dankolb | Will you make him eat it? |
| 15:59.59 | dankolb | You hate Masters more than Gates? |
| 16:00.19 | Leeds | it's more personal... |
| 16:01.04 | dankolb | True. |
| 16:02.25 | BorgBaby | I like the batman sign idea |
| 16:03.00 | formi | i would freak gate |
| 16:03.01 | formi | s |
| 16:05.14 | dankolb | He is much better IRL than online |
| 16:05.53 | skugg | okay |
| 16:06.04 | skugg | "keyboard cowboy"? :) |
| 16:06.34 | dankolb | Yeh |
| 16:06.41 | BorgBaby | don't think I know him |
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| 16:16.44 | Leeds | not that I haven't got the DVD or anything... but yay Life of Brian on Paramount! |
| 16:16.57 | dankolb | Lucky for those who can get it. |
| 16:18.15 | BorgBaby | yeah, I can't, short of getting a dish |
| 16:18.52 | BorgBaby | does anyone know if dishes interfere with mobile reception? |
| 16:19.32 | Leeds | not that I know of... |
| 16:20.12 | skugg | my dishes does not. they're ceramic, not metallic |
| 16:20.36 | skugg | neither does my glasses or mugs, but maybe my cutlery... |
| 16:20.57 | Jenson | lol |
| 16:20.58 | BorgBaby | well, 8 out of 16 flats here have dishes and inside my mobile reception is crap - signal keeps dying, outside + in other buildings, it's fine, dunno... |
| 16:21.10 | dankolb | Concrete building? |
| 16:21.19 | BorgBaby | yes...(?) |
| 16:21.27 | skugg | that's it then |
| 16:21.30 | Leeds | my mobile reception is pretty bad at home too |
| 16:21.39 | BorgBaby | even next to windows? |
| 16:21.46 | skugg | BorgBaby, *big* concrete building? |
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| 16:21.56 | BorgBaby | 4 floors, I'm on the ground |
| 16:22.24 | Leeds | highbury: watched that a couple of nights back... |
| 16:22.37 | skugg | they usually have mesh of metal in the walls. this can work a bit like a faraday cage and dampen reception quite efficiently |
| 16:22.48 | formi | back in 10 min |
| 16:23.36 | BorgBaby | ah, could be it. noticeibly worse with orange than o2 as well. |
| 16:23.50 | BorgBaby | (a shame as I'm on orange!) |
| 16:23.59 | Jenson | I'm with T-Mobile |
| 16:24.04 | Jenson | the best network |
| 16:24.13 | dankolb | They're okay. |
| 16:24.15 | BorgBaby | who were they before? |
| 16:24.15 | Jenson | cept for the month where we had a licalized signal problem in ,my town |
| 16:24.16 | skugg | i think i'm with o2 |
| 16:24.21 | Leeds | One2One isn't the best network :-) |
| 16:24.21 | Jenson | One2One |
| 16:24.28 | dankolb | I'm with Orange. T-Mobile didn't offer WAP calls inclusive in their minutes, though |
| 16:24.50 | dankolb | Actually, I've still got my Cellnet^WO2 phone, but that's because Carphone Warehouse / Orange are incompetent |
| 16:24.56 | BorgBaby | I like Orange. O2 send too much promotional crap |
| 16:25.18 | Jenson | T-Mobile send shit and their WAO doesnt seem to work anymore but its cheap |
| 16:25.24 | Jenson | ^WAP |
| 16:25.35 | BorgBaby | I get ppl to call me - its free ;-) |
| 16:25.50 | Jenson | I don't call |
| 16:25.53 | Jenson | I just text |
| 16:25.55 | dankolb | I had my new phone for 2 weeks, and I was phoned up by someone saying "our records show you've had your phone for over a year" |
| 16:26.06 | Jenson | lol dan WTF |
| 16:26.14 | dankolb | The phone wasn't even *out* 2 months ago (well, not on Orange, anyway) |
| 16:26.17 | Leeds | I don't call out very much... I'm on the 'Virgin tariff' so there's no line rental but calls are so-so cheap |
| 16:26.18 | dankolb | Err, 2 months previously, even |
| 16:26.50 | BorgBaby | I get 5 free txt msgs a day for life, that's nice |
| 16:26.59 | BorgBaby | locust? |
| 16:27.03 | Leeds | BorgBaby: until they cancel it... |
| 16:27.05 | Leeds | www.locust.net |
| 16:27.23 | BorgBaby | well yeah, but was only 15 quid anyway, over a year ago |
| 16:27.43 | skugg | BorgBaby, i have 300 free a month, which for me is equivalent to "unlimited" :P |
| 16:27.46 | Leeds | ibot some things in life are bad |
| 16:27.46 | | they can really make you mad |
| 16:27.51 | Leeds | yay! topical ibot :-) |
| 16:27.53 | dankolb | :) |
| 16:28.07 | dankolb | I just hate the SMS-sp33k |
| 16:28.15 | skugg | ah, yes. another pet hate |
| 16:28.17 | BorgBaby | wonder if ibot remembers me... |
| 16:28.24 | dankolb | ibot BorgBaby |
| 16:28.24 | | it has been said that borgbaby is ibot's master |
| 16:28.32 | Jenson | I have auto text input so I write stuff properly mostly coz it's quicker |
| 16:28.38 | BorgBaby | ibot: I am your master |
| 16:28.38 | | BorgBaby: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 16:28.41 | dankolb | I always try my best to use proper spelling and grammar |
| 16:28.46 | BorgBaby | ha ha |
| 16:28.47 | dankolb | gnuchess |
| 16:28.58 | Leeds | ibot jenson |
| 16:28.58 | | no idea, Leeds |
| 16:28.58 | BorgBaby | Deep Blue |
| 16:29.08 | Leeds | dankolb: the other way around, I think |
| 16:29.28 | dankolb | MIT developed from the GNU project? |
| 16:29.55 | Leeds | oh.. misread... I missed the "at" from your text :-) oops |
| 16:30.00 | BorgBaby | anyone seen the Stallman book, "Free As In Freedom" ? |
| 16:30.03 | Jenson | Leeds: evidently ibot doesn't understand me lol |
| 16:30.11 | dankolb | Leeds: What did you parse it as? |
| 16:30.28 | dankolb | BorgBaby: Seen it, not read it. And it's not Stallman's book. It's a biography of hiinm |
| 16:30.54 | BorgBaby | well okay, but it's 'about' him - 3/4 ways through, actually a good read |
| 16:30.59 | Leeds | "GNU developed the AI lab at MIT" - I thought you meant the AI lab came out of GNU work done at MIT |
| 16:31.08 | dankolb | Ah :) |
| 16:31.36 | BorgBaby | I like him, moody genius programmers rule! ;) |
| 16:32.06 | Leeds | smelly hairy person |
| 16:32.10 | skugg | i've got "just for fun" and "rebel code" |
| 16:32.20 | skugg | not the stallman book though |
| 16:32.22 | BorgBaby | I've read (most of) rebel code |
| 16:32.24 | dankolb | Leeds: So stereotypical hacker, then |
| 16:32.50 | Leeds | Open Sources is pretty good too - lots of different people telling their stories... |
| 16:32.54 | BorgBaby | the halo just looks silly tho' |
| 16:33.01 | dankolb | The disk platter? |
| 16:33.05 | BorgBaby | yeah |
| 16:33.14 | dankolb | :-) |
| 16:33.36 | Leeds | always look on the bright side of death! |
| 16:33.45 | dankolb | A-just before you draw your terminal breath |
| 16:33.51 | Leeds | Jenson: do you know how to talk to ibot? |
| 16:33.59 | dankolb | ibot talk |
| 16:33.59 | | wish i knew, dankolb |
| 16:34.03 | Leeds | you'll see it's all a show, keep them laughing as you go... |
| 16:34.07 | BorgBaby | ibot scream |
| 16:34.07 | | scream is, like, an MP3 player front end for madplay, ipkgs are in the feeds, source is at http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/scream/ |
| 16:34.16 | dankolb | Just remember that the last laugh is on you |
| 16:34.17 | Jenson | Leeds: yeah, except someone said he's been changed lately. |
| 16:34.19 | BorgBaby | ibot screem |
| 16:34.19 | | Site CReating & Editing EnvironMent. URL: http://screem.org/ |
| 16:34.23 | Leeds | eh! cogg is far better than scream! |
| 16:34.29 | skugg | "just for fun" is probably the most badly typeset book I've read in my whole life... |
| 16:34.37 | Leeds | Jenson: he's pretty much back - people kept complaining about the new ones :-) |
| 16:34.58 | BorgBaby | don't know cogg, bluefish + quanta are ok |
| 16:34.58 | Jenson | Leeds: I see. |
| 16:35.01 | Leeds | scream sucks... |
| 16:35.06 | Leeds | ibot cogg |
| 16:35.06 | | somebody said cogg was a slowly-developing Vorbis player (should play MP3 too at some point) which lives at http://ipaq.vmlinuz.org/cogg |
| 16:35.16 | BorgBaby | screem doesn't save properly (or maybe that was me!) |
| 16:35.30 | Leeds | screem != scream |
| 16:35.54 | BorgBaby | Leeds: exactly ;) |
| 16:36.52 | BorgBaby | ibot what is your primary interface? |
| 16:36.52 | | BorgBaby: what are you talking about? |
| 16:37.03 | BorgBaby | f**k knows! ;) |
| 16:37.04 | Leeds | ibot infobot |
| 16:37.04 | | leeds, i love abuse, feed me! |
| 16:37.07 | Leeds | ibot blootbot |
| 16:37.08 | | i heard blootbot is at http://blootbot.sf.net/, or written in perl |
| 16:37.10 | Leeds | ibot ibot |
| 16:37.10 | | methinks ibot is a blootbot now, no longer an infobot. run by BZFlag on his server. a parse error, or a bastard |
| 16:37.26 | Leeds | ibot insult BZFlag |
| 16:37.41 | BorgBaby | ibot insult * |
| 16:38.08 | dankolb | ibot insult |
| 16:38.11 | BorgBaby | has anyone used MegaHal? |
| 16:39.08 | BorgBaby | ibot MegaHal |
| 16:39.08 | | i haven't a clue, BorgBaby |
| 16:39.18 | BorgBaby | oh well |
| 16:39.38 | BorgBaby | you work better than it does, ibot |
| 16:39.49 | dankolb | ibot lart |
| 16:40.33 | BorgBaby | hmmm, silence |
| 16:40.40 | BorgBaby | ibot tart |
| 16:40.40 | | wish i knew, BorgBaby |
| 16:40.44 | dankolb | ibot lart BorgBaby |
| 16:40.54 | BorgBaby | no you don't |
| 16:41.42 | dankolb | ibot lart BorgBaby |
| 16:41.56 | BorgBaby | you're a script, you don't know how to |
| 16:42.01 | Jenson | ibot lart dankolb |
| 16:42.11 | dankolb | ibot lart Jenson |
| 16:42.20 | Jenson | lol evil |
| 16:42.32 | Jenson | ibot lart dankolb |
| 16:42.35 | dankolb | ibot lart Jenson |
| 16:42.46 | Jenson | ibot lart dankolb |
| 16:42.50 | Jenson | hehehe |
| 16:43.33 | BorgBaby | now I'm curious |
| 16:43.46 | dankolb | Natalie Portman, naked and petrified, with hot grits. |
| 16:44.18 | BorgBaby | dunno who she is |
| 16:45.08 | dankolb | Actress. Star Wars, Episodes I & II |
| 16:45.23 | dankolb | Queen Amidala in those |
| 16:45.44 | BorgBaby | ah, Luke Skywalker's mum? |
| 16:45.53 | dankolb | No. Darth Vader's mum. |
| 16:47.07 | Leeds | the perfect woman... |
| 16:47.15 | dankolb | Leeds: IWW? |
| 16:47.16 | Leeds | what are people talking about? |
| 16:47.29 | Leeds | Natalie Portman... |
| 16:47.38 | dankolb | :-) |
| 16:47.42 | dankolb | But is she a geek girl? |
| 16:47.53 | BorgBaby | my mate met Carrie Fisher in Harrods last yr (with Ruby Wax) |
| 16:47.57 | Leeds | come on... she's in Star Trek... |
| 16:48.06 | dankolb | Err....no she's not. |
| 16:48.15 | Jenson | I'm hungry but it's too late for eating. |
| 16:48.22 | BorgBaby | no, my film critic flatmate says Star Wars |
| 16:48.25 | Leeds | or the other one... |
| 16:48.28 | Leeds | it's late... |
| 16:48.37 | Leeds | and I'm Bond/Potter/Rings focussed at the moment... |
| 16:48.41 | dankolb | Star Wars. Don't mix them up :-P |
| 16:48.48 | dankolb | When's LOTR coming out? |
| 16:48.57 | Jenson | Never mix up Star Wars with Star Trek |
| 16:49.03 | Leeds | mid-December |
| 16:49.05 | BorgBaby | my local cinema is showing H. Potter NINE times on sunday |
| 16:49.11 | Jenson | or Star Trak as everyone else used to call it in primary school |
| 16:49.23 | Jenson | I wanna see Harry Potter and Die Another Day |
| 16:49.36 | BorgBaby | there's a nice dvd set of the first LOTR (4 dvds) |
| 16:49.42 | dankolb | Jenson: Likewise. I also want to see LOTR II, though |
| 16:49.46 | Leeds | and I've just been reading about Bond in Empire, on the loo |
| 16:49.50 | Leeds | BorgBaby: got it, watched it :-) |
| 16:49.51 | Jenson | I haven't seen any of LOTR |
| 16:49.57 | BorgBaby | 28 Days Later looks good |
| 16:50.03 | Leeds | Jenson: read the book? |
| 16:50.05 | BorgBaby | Leeds: the box set ? |
| 16:50.06 | Jenson | nope |
| 16:50.22 | Leeds | BorgBaby: went to see 28 Days Later last week - it was sold out, so we saw Harry Potter instead |
| 16:50.39 | Leeds | BorgBaby: yup, the 4-disk one... I've got the 2-disk one too, bought for me as a present |
| 16:50.49 | BorgBaby | don't like Harry Potter - saw the first one xmas day last year |
| 16:51.05 | BorgBaby | did you get the bookends too? ;) |
| 16:51.07 | dankolb | The books are good. Takes a long time to read, though |
| 16:51.14 | Leeds | didn't get the bookends... |
| 16:51.29 | Leeds | big big books... worth a read, but there are some bits which drag |
| 16:51.35 | BorgBaby | might be just here - they're of the statues in the river |
| 16:51.49 | Leeds | Jenson: see the film - get the DVD or video... it's worth it |
| 16:51.52 | dankolb | Took me about 2-3 weeks to read LOTR |
| 16:52.03 | Jenson | I couldn't get over that Hagrid was Zuchovsky in Bond when I saw tha last HP |
| 16:52.07 | Leeds | BorgBaby: there are two special sets - the 4-disk one, and the 4-disk-and-bookends one |
| 16:52.15 | dankolb | Long journeys are good for reading |
| 16:52.37 | Leeds | Jenson: Robbie Coltraine has been around for many many years... |
| 16:52.41 | dankolb | Cracker. |
| 16:52.45 | BorgBaby | ah - someone's caching in on the seasonal rush! |
| 16:52.53 | Jenson | Leeds: Yeah but I don't watch that many movies. |
| 16:53.50 | Leeds | apparently there's a 5-disk set in the US... |
| 16:53.51 | Leeds | he used to do a lot of TV... |
| 16:53.51 | dankolb | What's the extra disk? |
| 16:53.52 | Leeds | dankolb: dunno |
| 16:53.56 | Jenson | Leeds: I don't remember what i watched on TV a few months ago lol apart form Bad Girls and he wasn't in that. |
| 16:54.11 | BorgBaby | had the book for years but never read it, enjoyed the film a lot though |
| 16:54.24 | Leeds | there you go! the MTV generation! :-) |
| 16:54.34 | BorgBaby | there's an animated version knocking around on video too |
| 16:54.40 | BorgBaby | (but older) |
| 16:54.52 | Leeds | I first read the book when I was about 10... my copy is knackered now... I should get a new one - but *NOT* a book-of-the-film |
| 16:54.53 | dankolb | Of LOTR? |
| 16:54.54 | BorgBaby | he he - yeah, must be! |
| 16:55.14 | BorgBaby | yes - saw it once, but we've got it |
| 16:55.33 | dankolb | I think I've got the animated LOTR, and animated Hobbit on *mumble* |
| 16:55.33 | Leeds | the animated one is late 70s, early 80s - they ran out of money after the first one - they were going to make a trilogy too, I think |
| 16:55.43 | BorgBaby | it is quite old |
| 16:55.55 | Leeds | the BBC radio version is considered pretty good... |
| 16:56.16 | BorgBaby | how long is it? |
| 16:56.18 | *** join/#gllug formi (~formi@usr155-har.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 16:56.21 | dankolb | The guy who sits next to me at work has the LOTR audio CD set (BBC radio play) |
| 16:56.38 | formi | re |
| 16:56.51 | dankolb | Hi formi |
| 16:56.54 | highbury | There's also a full-set of cassettes available, i.e non-edited |
| 16:57.04 | highbury | my nephew had a set |
| 16:57.07 | Leeds | I've downloaded some of it... the first book comes on 16 CDs, by the looks of things... |
| 16:57.20 | dankolb | :-) |
| 16:57.26 | dankolb | I can borrow the CDs if I want |
| 16:57.41 | Leeds | dankolb: got a weekend spare to rip it for us? :-) |
| 16:57.41 | highbury | I think they were intended for vision-impaired people |
| 16:57.51 | dankolb | Leeds: That'd be piracy, though. And that's Bad |
| 16:57.57 | skugg | i've read LoTR several times, bought the cartoon (which was shite, by the way) |
| 16:58.04 | highbury | my brother used to have a set of about 12 cassettes, but that seemed abridged |
| 16:58.06 | skugg | etc etc |
| 16:58.06 | BorgBaby | 16x70 mins ? Too much for us MTV kids! |
| 16:58.07 | Leeds | it was on the radio... a couple of times... |
| 16:58.41 | highbury | the abridged version only though, leeds |
| 16:58.51 | dankolb | If you ask nicely, I'll see if I can MP3 it, and write it to a CD |
| 16:59.07 | skugg | dankolb, what's wrong with oggs? :) |
| 16:59.20 | BorgBaby | mp3burn - very handy for writing one large mp3 file to audio cd |
| 16:59.31 | highbury | can't play them on portabl;e players yet, skugg |
| 16:59.40 | skugg | highbury, ah |
| 16:59.50 | Leeds | highbury: I can :-) |
| 16:59.51 | BorgBaby | iTunes - Mac ? |
| 16:59.55 | dankolb | Yus. |
| 17:00.19 | Jenson | iTunes is a cool program |
| 17:01.18 | BorgBaby | I like the look of OSX - wouldn't mind playing around with it a bit - seems a nice mixture |
| 17:01.35 | BorgBaby | can't see me swapping from debian tho'! ;) |
| 17:02.01 | BorgBaby | 30 quid for a monitor cable is just ridiculous |
| 17:02.16 | Leeds | BorgBaby: sounds like Sun :-) |
| 17:02.26 | BorgBaby | how easy are they to get these days ? (student loans) |
| 17:02.41 | skugg | BorgBaby, too easy |
| 17:02.42 | dankolb | Easy. |
| 17:02.49 | Leeds | for non-students? :-) |
| 17:02.57 | skugg | Leeds, probably a bit harder ;P |
| 17:03.28 | BorgBaby | well, for existing part-time ones with non-existent credit ratings |
| 17:03.32 | dankolb | And I have the DVI->VGA converter |
| 17:04.03 | formi | formi is praying his bsd box reboots happily |
| 17:04.14 | BorgBaby | thinking of going full time about it |
| 17:04.33 | highbury | Leeds: when they increase battery life tenfold, and price by 90% then I *might* consider an ipaq |
| 17:04.57 | dankolb | Would having a job be a consideration? |
| 17:05.08 | BorgBaby | what , me? |
| 17:05.13 | dankolb | Before getting an iPaq |
| 17:05.18 | dankolb | (no, highbury) |
| 17:05.19 | highbury | My palmpilot, rest its soul, had a battery life of 3 months! |
| 17:05.20 | Leeds | highbury: battery life they can do nothing about - but if you aren't pushing it, it's pretty decent nowadays... price? the cheapest (new one) is $300 |
| 17:05.33 | Leeds | different device completely... |
| 17:05.59 | Leeds | a palm is a glorified filofax... an iPAQ is a genuine portable, handheld computer |
| 17:06.16 | highbury | its like my mobile phone, now I can go a week without charging, its really liberating |
| 17:06.28 | skugg | highbury, not for long ;P |
| 17:06.33 | BorgBaby | highbury: what phone is that? |
| 17:06.35 | dankolb | My new phone lasts almost 2 weeks before needing to be recharged. My old phone, 2 days. |
| 17:06.47 | BorgBaby | i'm about 2 days |
| 17:06.48 | Leeds | my phone gets a week+ - haven't run it down for a while |
| 17:06.55 | Jenson | highbury: my phone is buggered lasts 2 days now, used to be 4 |
| 17:07.33 | formi | hehe it works |
| 17:07.41 | dankolb | What phone do you have? |
| 17:07.50 | dankolb | formi: Well done :) |
| 17:08.02 | Jenson | Siemens M35i |
| 17:08.05 | highbury | ericsonn t39m, no longer stocked by most people, its considered outdated, but it still has bluetooth, and most of the technology just basic screen though |
| 17:08.33 | BorgBaby | ericsson are good |
| 17:08.40 | highbury | I prefer flip phones |
| 17:09.03 | Leeds | got a T68(i-ish) |
| 17:09.10 | highbury | ericsson's are now crap, they linked up with Sony, and I think they dropped the ball |
| 17:09.29 | dankolb | Flip phones are too much hassle. You need to flip them before answering |
| 17:09.36 | BorgBaby | had the old one2one flip phone if that counts |
| 17:09.46 | BorgBaby | and they can break |
| 17:09.47 | highbury | there's talk off the whole tie-up going down the tubes |
| 17:09.49 | formi | thakns dank, still it came up with some modules i didn't ask for |
| 17:10.00 | dankolb | Ah. Well, don't worry about it. |
| 17:10.22 | highbury | I prefer to have a phone, which doesn't accidently dial, without having to lock the keyboard |
| 17:10.40 | Leeds | I only called my sister a couple of times! in .au... |
| 17:10.50 | BorgBaby | i turned mine off the other week but still managed to get a call |
| 17:10.58 | dankolb | BorgBaby: After it was off? |
| 17:11.04 | BorgBaby | yep! |
| 17:11.07 | dankolb | :) |
| 17:11.15 | Leeds | dankolb: suprising low, actually... and it led to my going out there :-) |
| 17:11.19 | BorgBaby | wasn't best pleased ;) |
| 17:11.59 | BorgBaby | eye69: wot kind of mouse have you got? (metal???) |
| 17:12.15 | highbury | I quite like the new motorola java flip phones, my old motorola just died, but the new ones weren't available, the t39 was the best of a bad bunch |
| 17:12.33 | highbury | plus I use Orange, who are notable for the lack of choice of handsets |
| 17:12.43 | dankolb | Hmm. I have the Development Kit for the 6310i. Maybe I should learn some Java for it |
| 17:13.02 | BorgBaby | yes, esp. on payg + I don't see why I should go contract when i don't need to |
| 17:13.03 | eye69 | BorgBaby: There was a dodgy soldering point on the board...one which connects the horizontal detector |
| 17:13.14 | eye69 | I could only go vertically...kinda useless |
| 17:13.26 | BorgBaby | eye69: ok - had visions of plastic burning! |
| 17:13.31 | eye69 | BorgBaby: Heh |
| 17:13.36 | highbury | turn the screen on its side |
| 17:13.37 | Leeds | highbury: orange are the only people in the world to be bringing out a Windows for Phones device... |
| 17:13.54 | BorgBaby | yeah, saw that |
| 17:14.00 | dankolb | Soldering irons are great. |
| 17:14.06 | highbury | the SPV, no Java though, and sounds like a Captain Scarlet car! |
| 17:14.12 | BorgBaby | they're an acquired skill - but very useful |
| 17:14.16 | dankolb | Which reminds me. I have a speaker cable that needs some attention |
| 17:14.33 | dankolb | You need 3 hands to do soldering properly, I've found :) |
| 17:14.46 | highbury | I never wanted to join the army |
| 17:14.54 | BorgBaby | dankolb: thet's what the 'helpinh hands' are for... |
| 17:14.59 | BorgBaby | helping even |
| 17:15.05 | highbury | oops soldiering != soldering :-) |
| 17:15.06 | dankolb | It takes two to solder... |
| 17:15.09 | Jenson | We used to have a speaker cable and a hpone cable that the kitten chewed |
| 17:15.21 | dankolb | Kitten? JPEG!!! |
| 17:15.38 | Leeds | oh God! kitten photos... |
| 17:15.40 | Jenson | Kitten from a long time ago. |
| 17:15.49 | Jenson | I dunno where the pics are |
| 17:16.09 | dankolb | Bah |
| 17:16.09 | Jenson | and I don't know why I keep typing phone hpone either |
| 17:16.15 | formi | on a chewed cdrom? |
| 17:16.26 | Leeds | Jenson: you're a dyslexic alien? |
| 17:16.29 | Jenson | No formi it was before we had a computer |
| 17:16.32 | BorgBaby | my cat seems really comfortable underneath the 'puter, think the wires make her feel safe! |
| 17:16.35 | Jenson | Leeds: possibly |
| 17:16.42 | dankolb | BorgBaby: JPEG! |
| 17:16.47 | skugg | dankolb, 3 or 4 hands preferably, or a very flexible tongue ;P |
| 17:17.00 | Leeds | tangent, who I haven't seen around for a while, has some lovely kitten/PC photos... |
| 17:17.01 | BorgBaby | well - none of her by the wires, but will work on it! |
| 17:17.04 | dankolb | skugg: No no. That's *after* soldering. It's distracting, during. |
| 17:17.09 | Jenson | skugg: For soldering lol |
| 17:17.52 | Jenson | Somewhere on here I have kitten pictures of the last cat we had mind you. |
| 17:18.05 | dankolb | Yay! Cat pics! |
| 17:18.05 | skugg | Jenson, yesh. 1 for each of the bits to be soldered, 1 for the soldering iron, 1 for the soldering wire |
| 17:18.09 | Leeds | don't you know that disco hurts? |
| 17:18.29 | BorgBaby | I've been taking loads lately - might have to stick 'em up somewhere ;-) |
| 17:18.33 | skugg | i used to hold the wire with my mouth... |
| 17:18.38 | formi | my dad is a professioanl solder man, he is unbelievable, tried to teach me, no luck |
| 17:18.44 | BorgBaby | you're not a cat tho'! |
| 17:18.54 | Jenson | The electronics teacher gave up on me |
| 17:18.58 | BorgBaby | formi: it's easy |
| 17:19.12 | Jenson | Maybe I shouldn't have spent 1 and a half years pissing about on the Internet when I should have been working |
| 17:19.14 | formi | he solder with his eyes closed |
| 17:19.19 | dankolb | :-) |
| 17:19.36 | Jenson | I found the kitten pics BTW |
| 17:19.36 | Leeds | Jenson: you probably learnt a lot more... just not *useful* stuff :-) |
| 17:19.41 | skugg | Jenson, hm... sounds familiar... oh yes! that's what I'm doing now! |
| 17:19.42 | skugg | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:20.11 | formi | underwater, and in every position found on the kms |
| 17:20.16 | Jenson | Leeds: I learnt thay the guy I sat next too was cute. I learnt how to evade capture by teachers asking what you were doing. |
| 17:20.41 | Leeds | Jenson: we all learnt the latter... dunno about the former... |
| 17:20.46 | BorgBaby | I just put my glasses on for that - works every time |
| 17:21.13 | skugg | dankolb, tried beergoggles? :P |
| 17:21.40 | Jenson | Leeds: I also learnt about the then named WWF and about Buffy and Angel lol |
| 17:21.53 | BorgBaby | Buffy's on in a minute |
| 17:22.06 | Leeds | BorgBaby: my TiVo will find it for me... |
| 17:22.23 | dankolb | *decides |
| 17:22.23 | BorgBaby | damn, I wanna find a cheap one! |
| 17:22.33 | Leeds | cheap bra? |
| 17:22.48 | Jenson | lol |
| 17:22.50 | BorgBaby | no, TiVo, but I s'pose a bra will have to do... |
| 17:22.57 | dankolb | Cheap bras are easy to find, aren't they? |
| 17:23.10 | Jenson | Why, have you looked dan? |
| 17:23.15 | BorgBaby | left on the streets |
| 17:23.30 | dankolb | Jenson: No no. Hence phrasing it as a question |
| 17:23.47 | Jenson | Ah, good. |
| 17:24.05 | dankolb | :) |
| 17:24.12 | Leeds | cheapest TiVo is £100 or so... plus £10 per month or £200 up front for subscription |
| 17:24.28 | BorgBaby | subscription to what? |
| 17:24.33 | Leeds | TiVo |
| 17:24.43 | Leeds | TiVo is a subscription service... |
| 17:25.00 | BorgBaby | oh (!) - how much is that + do I need anything else? |
| 17:25.57 | Leeds | the box is an implementation of the TiVo platform, made by Thompson, retailing at £100 (in various special offers) to around £200 |
| 17:26.20 | skugg | Leeds, are you on commision? :P |
| 17:26.23 | Leeds | you then need to pay TiVo Inc. for the service (which includes the EPG and software upgrades) for £10 per month, or a £200 lump sum |
| 17:26.27 | BorgBaby | we got 2, but still haven't hooked them up |
| 17:26.34 | Leeds | skugg: no, just a happy customer - seriously |
| 17:26.52 | skugg | okay |
| 17:27.03 | BorgBaby | it would make my life easier - vcr timers always mess up |
| 17:27.28 | Jenson | Mt VCR is a bitch |
| 17:27.32 | Jenson | ^My |
| 17:27.35 | skugg | Leeds, does it skip ad breaks as well? |
| 17:27.37 | dankolb | When I had a manually settable VCR, I just set it to start one minute before the program was due to start, and finished it one minute afterwards |
| 17:27.48 | Jenson | lol dan I still do that |
| 17:27.53 | Jenson | the videoplus annoys me |
| 17:28.02 | BorgBaby | I do 5 mins these days - the channel schedules aren't perfect either |
| 17:28.03 | dankolb | It's easy, though. |
| 17:28.16 | dankolb | Well, I don't tend to set the video, anyway |
| 17:28.29 | Leeds | skugg: not automatically, but a minor hack (there are a bunch of software tweaks which just need special key sequences on the remote) turns one of the remote buttons into "skip forward 30 secs" - skip, skip, skip, skip, skip + usually does it |
| 17:28.41 | Jenson | I set it to video things I'm watching incase I want to watch them again. |
| 17:29.09 | BorgBaby | remote control hacks for a video ? ;-))))) tell me more... |
| 17:29.23 | Leeds | BorgBaby: you do know what the TiVo is, right? inside, I mean |
| 17:29.37 | BorgBaby | what does it save the progs as ? (file type) |
| 17:29.51 | BorgBaby | Leeds: I know its a hard disk + runs Linux but thats about it |
| 17:30.06 | Leeds | MPEG... but demuxed in a proprietary designed-to-store-media filesystem |
| 17:30.26 | BorgBaby | so you can't copy onto say a cd for later viewing? |
| 17:30.38 | Leeds | it's a PowerPC box, running Linux, with a modem, a hardware MPEG codec, TV in/out and a hard drive (or two) |
| 17:30.49 | dankolb | Wasn't the BeOS filesystem designed to store media? |
| 17:31.05 | formi | im off, I need to rest my eyes, good night guys |
| 17:31.08 | Leeds | in the version one platform, at least some of the actual TiVo software is written in tcl :-) |
| 17:31.09 | BorgBaby | BeOS was designed for multimedia |
| 17:31.15 | Leeds | g'night, formi |
| 17:31.20 | BorgBaby | night formi |
| 17:31.44 | Leeds | dankolb: not so much to store media as to store streams, I think, with indexing and so on built-in |
| 17:31.54 | Jenson | You guys know too much about technology lol |
| 17:31.56 | dankolb | Ah right. |
| 17:32.02 | dankolb | There's no such thing as knowing too much. |
| 17:32.08 | BorgBaby | nah, not enough ;) |
| 17:32.12 | Leeds | knowledge is good... |
| 17:32.15 | dankolb | Everyone else here seems to know more than me |
| 17:32.20 | BorgBaby | knowledge is power |
| 17:32.35 | BorgBaby | everyone knows different bits |
| 17:32.47 | dankolb | Speaking of knowing more than me.....Leeds - is there a place to get updates for Solaris? |
| 17:32.54 | Jenson | I don't know much at all yet. |
| 17:33.00 | Leeds | dankolb: Sun? :-) |
| 17:33.26 | dankolb | Yeah, but is there something like ftp.updates.sun.com ? |
| 17:33.37 | dankolb | Jenson: You are but young, though |
| 17:33.41 | Leeds | Jenson: here is a good place to hang around and learn useless shit :-) |
| 17:34.04 | Leeds | dankolb: do you have a support contract? if so, use it... that's probably where you're meant to get updates |
| 17:34.13 | Jenson | Leeds: I learnt quite a bit of useless shit on f1forums. I first learnt of Linux on there too. |
| 17:34.20 | Leeds | f1forums? |
| 17:34.28 | Jenson | http://www.f1forums.com |
| 17:34.31 | dankolb | Leeds: I don't |
| 17:34.40 | Leeds | proper young ladies don't use words like shit! :-) |
| 17:34.41 | highbury | dankolb: leeds is right, causeway have support contract |
| 17:35.09 | Jenson | Leeds: Do the words proper and lady apply to me lol |
| 17:35.09 | Leeds | dankolb: you can download patches from sunsolve, but I don't know about whole updates... |
| 17:35.22 | Leeds | Jenson: maybe not... |
| 17:35.38 | highbury | ftp://online.sunsolve.sun.co.uk |
| 17:35.52 | dankolb | Ah right. |
| 17:36.57 | Leeds | Jenson: young applies though :-P |
| 17:37.09 | Leeds | TiVo says Buffy is on! |
| 17:37.30 | dankolb | Leeds: Only because we're all old :( |
| 17:37.46 | Jenson | Leeds: I'm sure you aren't that much older than me? |
| 17:38.05 | Leeds | Jenson: I've got two younger sisters... both older than you... |
| 17:38.16 | Jenson | I see Leeds. |
| 17:38.19 | Leeds | ooh-er - uncut Buffy |
| 17:38.33 | Jenson | Uncut Buffy is still cut on BBC |
| 17:38.56 | Jenson | Although the Buffy/Angel sex scenes were shown on the late night version. |
| 17:39.12 | Jenson | I really must be going |
| 17:39.18 | Jenson | my server is abotu to kick me off |
| 17:39.25 | Jenson | and I shjould get some sleep anyway |
| 17:39.36 | dankolb | You have about 10 mins left |
| 17:39.45 | Jenson | Yeah I do |
| 17:39.54 | Jenson | but it might kick me early |
| 17:39.55 | Leeds | I've actually got Buffy season 6 part 2 box set on video... won it... :-) |
| 17:40.06 | Jenson | and do you pay that much attention to me dan |
| 17:40.10 | Jenson | cool leeds |
| 17:40.20 | dankolb | Jenson: Eh? |
| 17:40.40 | Jenson | That you know I have 10 mins |
| 17:40.42 | Leeds | and an Angel box set... and a West Wing DVD set... |
| 17:40.53 | dankolb | /whois Jenson - signong: 22:52:56 |
| 17:40.57 | dankolb | *signon |
| 17:41.08 | Jenson | Oh duh silly me I forgot that |
| 17:41.14 | dankolb | :) |
| 17:41.50 | Jenson | Anyway I still ought to go |
| 17:41.54 | Jenson | I'll be here tomorrow |
| 17:41.58 | dankolb | Cool :) |
| 17:42.00 | Jenson | possibly not in the evening then |
| 17:42.07 | Jenson | ^though |
| 17:42.10 | Jenson | it depends. |
| 17:42.18 | Jenson | Will be here Sunday evening though. |
| 17:42.35 | Leeds | got something better to do than IRC on Sat night? no! |
| 17:42.41 | dankolb | That can't be right. |
| 17:42.47 | dankolb | There's nothing better than to IRC |
| 17:42.57 | Jenson | Leeds: No, but parents have orchestra concert. |
| 17:43.05 | dankolb | Cool :) |
| 17:43.09 | Leeds | Jenson: and? |
| 17:43.30 | Jenson | Leeds: they want me to go lol |
| 17:43.36 | Leeds | oh! :-) |
| 17:43.43 | dankolb | What're they playing? |
| 17:44.26 | Jenson | Guilbert and Sullivan |
| 17:44.46 | dankolb | Which one? |
| 17:44.59 | Leeds | I'd bet on Sullivan for an own goal in the first half |
| 17:44.59 | Jenson | Different ones |
| 17:45.01 | Jenson | I'm nopt sure. |
| 17:45.24 | dankolb | Ah. A medley, then, rather than a play/operetta. |
| 17:45.29 | Jenson | Anyway I was going |
| 17:45.37 | Leeds | g'night |
| 17:45.44 | dankolb | 'night |
| 17:45.45 | Jenson | Catch ya tomorrow or sunday guys. |
| 17:45.49 | Jenson | Go get some sleep yeah. |
| 17:45.57 | Leeds | no sleep! Buffy! |
| 17:46.27 | Jenson | I saw Buffy on Thursday |
| 17:46.48 | Leeds | I didn't, on purpose :-) |
| 17:46.56 | Leeds | I've seen all of this series, anyway |
| 17:48.06 | skugg | i would like to see much more buffy, but there's just too many episodes, too daunting to start :P |
| 17:48.20 | dankolb | Download a load of divxes, then |
| 17:48.24 | skugg | i'm one of those that likes to see it all |
| 17:48.31 | dankolb | In one go? |
| 17:48.31 | skugg | dankolb, takes too much time |
| 17:48.37 | skugg | dankolb, not quite... |
| 17:48.48 | dankolb | With food breaks? |
| 17:48.55 | skugg | i'm trying to be casual about it |
| 17:49.20 | Leeds | skugg: want to borrow my vids? |
| 17:49.35 | Leeds | unless I sell them... they are currently unopened and all... |
| 17:49.44 | skugg | a friend gave me season 3 and 4 (i think) of buffy on divx, and i saw them on a few nights, abuot a half season each night... not good. |
| 17:49.51 | dankolb | :-) |
| 17:50.04 | Leeds | sounds good to me... |
| 17:50.05 | skugg | Leeds, i would love to, but i don't have time to watch them. |
| 17:50.20 | dankolb | That's one thing I've found with these things. I tend to keep watching them in a row, until I'm too tired. And then, until I catch up with where US TV is. |
| 17:50.26 | dankolb | And I don't want to wait a week! |
| 17:51.32 | Leeds | you know you can download this week's ep *before* it shows in the US? |
| 17:52.35 | dankolb | Hmm. Who is BorgBaby IRL? |
| 17:53.04 | *** join/#gllug BorgBaby (~BorgBaby@modem-1051.cloyster.dialup.pol.co.uk) |
| 17:53.23 | dankolb | wb BorgBaby |
| 17:53.32 | BorgBaby | what happened there? |
| 17:53.36 | Leeds | dankolb: dunno |
| 17:54.01 | BorgBaby | it went quiet for a few mins! thought I'd said something... |
| 17:54.01 | skugg | wee! i've written a minimal unix shell ;P |
| 17:54.23 | BorgBaby | think xchat just went moody for a bit |
| 17:54.38 | Leeds | BorgBaby: you timed out, I think |
| 17:54.43 | skugg | it currently supports: 1) executing a command 2) executing two commands with a pipe in between |
| 17:54.44 | skugg | :P |
| 17:55.51 | skugg | simple coursework |
| 17:55.53 | *** join/#gllug dankolb_ (~dankolb@host213-122-111-117.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 17:55.53 | BorgBaby | Leeds: still was online ok, but couldn't join a channel or get a bot responce |
| 17:55.53 | Leeds | skugg: we did text filtering - replacing variables, things like that |
| 17:55.54 | BorgBaby | denkolb: it's friday man - stay up... |
| 17:56.12 | dankolb_ | It's Friday night. I'm on IRC |
| 17:56.16 | dankolb_ | What does this say about me? |
| 17:56.23 | BorgBaby | theres always tomorrow |
| 17:56.27 | skugg | Leeds, most people in this group don't know (and don't *want* to know) programming at all |
| 17:56.53 | skugg | dankolb_, careful with that, cause it says the same about you as it does about the rest of us :P |
| 17:57.00 | Leeds | skugg: that was my 'UNIX course' - the only C or UNIX stuff we did |
| 17:57.25 | skugg | this module is called "operating systems design" ... |
| 17:57.40 | dankolb_ | skugg: What's that? |
| 17:58.09 | skugg | dankolb_, you tell me :P we're doing very simple unix introduction it seems to me :P |
| 17:58.20 | skugg | i don't care, it's more of a free ride for me then |
| 17:58.23 | dankolb_ | Ah. |
| 17:58.35 | skugg | i'm teh only one in teh class that run linux/unix normally |
| 17:58.46 | skugg | s,teh,the,g |
| 17:58.57 | BorgBaby | same here |
| 17:59.19 | skugg | heh |
| 17:59.45 | skugg | what, freebsd-l33tists or what? :) |
| 17:59.53 | dankolb_ | Yeh :-P |
| 18:00.06 | dankolb_ | Well, MacOS X at the moment. FreeBSD on my work workstation. |
| 18:00.16 | dankolb_ | (OpenBSD didn't run Wine, unfortunately) |
| 18:00.29 | dankolb_ | And Win2k and Sol9 on 'my' servers at work |
| 18:01.42 | skugg | remember bruce richardson's tirade on "ex-linux *bsd users" -- the kind of people that had to switch to *bsd so that they could snarl at the largest possible group :D |
| 18:01.43 | dankolb_ | Ooh. QNX. That's something I haven't run for some time |
| 18:01.58 | dankolb_ | skugg: That's not why I switched. I just wanted a change |
| 18:02.06 | Leeds | I actually quite liked BeOS as a desktop... |
| 18:02.11 | dankolb_ | And, well, some of the Linux people bugged me a bit |
| 18:02.20 | BorgBaby | I'm developing my snarling techniques at the moment (not necessarily at any one group!) |
| 18:02.40 | dankolb_ | Some of the 'Debian solves all the world's problems through an apt-get install world-solution comand' |
| 18:03.03 | skugg | dankolb_, i didn't say so, i'm just reminded about it every time i hear abotu someone switching. i find it amusing :) |
| 18:03.16 | dankolb_ | :-) |
| 18:03.19 | BorgBaby | hmm, yeah, know what you mean, but I do 98% of my work at home on Debian, with a lot less hassle than any of the others |
| 18:03.24 | Leeds | dankolb_: I hate that Debian stuff... |
| 18:03.37 | dankolb_ | Debian has given me nothing but problems, whenever I've attempted to use it |
| 18:03.40 | Leeds | that is, the "apt-get will save the world" |
| 18:03.59 | Leeds | I find that "./configure ; make ; sudo make install" is my solution |
| 18:04.04 | BorgBaby | it takes a bit of time, thats all, have some funny issues with X though (at least I do) |
| 18:04.12 | dankolb_ | Well....to be honest, apt-get itself is quite nice. I use it on my RedHat server. |
| 18:05.27 | dankolb_ | And I have it on OS X. |
| 18:05.56 | dankolb_ | But BSD ports are really nice too. 'make install', and it goes away, and compiles it up, including dependencies |
| 18:06.00 | skugg | for *me*, debian is the best solution -- being able to just say "install this" and have all dependencies figured out for you is bliss. but this is pertaining to distro-wars, and that i want to avoid |
| 18:06.19 | dankolb_ | skugg: Thanks for putting the 'for *me*' in there. |
| 18:06.22 | Leeds | I like to manually handle dependencies... |
| 18:06.36 | BorgBaby | well skugg, I agree, and I like the extra level of testing they put into everything |
| 18:06.46 | dankolb_ | That differentiates from saying 'debian is the best solution' |
| 18:06.57 | skugg | dankolb_, always. i fully appreciate that people are different and have different desires and needs. |
| 18:07.02 | BorgBaby | depends on the problem ;) |
| 18:07.16 | skugg | i used to run slackware for a year, and i learned a helluva lot from it |
| 18:07.16 | dankolb_ | cd /usr/ports/editors/openoffice ; make WITH_TTF_ENABLED=yes |
| 18:07.21 | BorgBaby | debian to a windows (ex)user would be a nightmare |
| 18:07.28 | skugg | i'm just too lazy to keep running it ;) |
| 18:07.36 | dankolb_ | Nice anti-aliased fonts. |
| 18:07.48 | dankolb_ | BorgBaby: So would Slackware. Or *BSD. Or Solaris |
| 18:07.59 | skugg | either that, or i didn't manage to learn enough, because I had constant small problems that annoyed me |
| 18:08.01 | Leeds | I only ever use oo.org for viewing things anyway :-) |
| 18:08.04 | BorgBaby | or anything that made them think! |
| 18:08.18 | Leeds | I started on Slackware, tried RH and SuSE, then went back to slack |
| 18:08.43 | BorgBaby | Definite first, then Mandrake, then Debian |
| 18:09.12 | BorgBaby | my first install was suse (5.4 or something) - the instructions were in GErman! |
| 18:10.02 | dankolb_ | I don't think people will switch to using OpenOffice from MS Office, unless it'll have AA fonts by default |
| 18:10.29 | Leeds | I don't use any office thing by default... |
| 18:10.51 | BorgBaby | well, maybe when corporations start to use it + they get used to it from work + realise its free... |
| 18:10.54 | dankolb_ | Me neither |
| 18:11.01 | Leeds | I use vim :-) |
| 18:11.03 | *** join/#gllug davilion (~irvined@pc1-cani1-5-cust58.renf.cable.ntl.com) |
| 18:11.07 | davilion | evening all |
| 18:11.08 | BorgBaby | I'm veering more towards the 'gnome office' tools |
| 18:11.17 | BorgBaby | hi davilion |
| 18:11.21 | davilion | hows it going? |
| 18:11.32 | dankolb_ | hi davilion |
| 18:11.34 | Leeds | morning, davilion |
| 18:11.57 | BorgBaby | I've been using emacs for about 2.5 years now + still only know about 5% of the commands - and it's still incredibly useful |
| 18:12.24 | Leeds | s/emacs/vim s/2.5/4/ |
| 18:12.25 | BorgBaby | it could do with a decent manual though |
| 18:13.10 | dankolb_ | It's nice for writing XML, I find - C-c C-t puts in tags |
| 18:13.55 | BorgBaby | don't really use the shortcuts, but find it nice for any language |
| 18:14.28 | dankolb_ | I use vi(m) for short edits, and emacs for longer stuff |
| 18:15.08 | davilion | yeah vim is very nice |
| 18:15.24 | davilion | i've never really been able to get into serious editing |
| 18:15.33 | dankolb_ | That's what MS Word is for :-P |
| 18:15.48 | davilion | i would love to be able to use vim/emacs well but i know the basics for vim and i can get out of emacs and save etc ut can't do anything really fancy |
| 18:16.07 | skugg | davilion, it comes with time. tried vimtutor? |
| 18:16.17 | BorgBaby | word refused to display my html file correctly the other day! (put formatting tags in) |
| 18:16.38 | davilion | briefly, i think its just an experience thing, im starting to <esc>:foo bar a lot more now |
| 18:16.38 | dankolb_ | emacs is nice, with multiple windows |
| 18:16.47 | davilion | as where before i would just have used arrow keys and delete etc. |
| 18:17.08 | BorgBaby | emacs is the mother of 'em all |
| 18:17.27 | dankolb_ | ...and in the lisp calls, bind them |
| 18:17.55 | BorgBaby | now, lisp is something I'd like to learn, but it looks totally incomprehensible |
| 18:18.06 | dankolb_ | It's not too bad, once you learn it :) |
| 18:18.11 | dankolb_ | Yoy could learn Forth. |
| 18:18.16 | BorgBaby | that's the hard part! |
| 18:18.25 | BorgBaby | Forth? |
| 18:18.29 | Leeds | vim now has excellent docs |
| 18:18.30 | dankolb_ | Yes. Forth. |
| 18:18.50 | dankolb_ | OpenInFirmware was written in it |
| 18:18.52 | BorgBaby | is that sort of sub-Lisp, similar but not quite? |
| 18:18.57 | dankolb_ | Nope |
| 18:19.01 | BorgBaby | ok ;) |
| 18:19.23 | dankolb_ | Forth is stack-based; uses RPN syntax |
| 18:19.42 | Leeds | one of my colleagues - Iain, long-haired Scot - tried to show off his Forth skills on my SPARC box when he came to interview for the job... he hung my box hard... |
| 18:20.01 | BorgBaby | Well, Lisp seems to be the basis of AI, and instead of trying to do it in C or Perl, I should probably try with the proper one (or even Prolog) |
| 18:20.30 | dankolb_ | Prolog is possibly better for AI |
| 18:20.38 | Leeds | Java! everywhere, everything! |
| 18:20.43 | BorgBaby | Prolog seems easier to get a grip on |
| 18:21.01 | dankolb_ | Fortran! |
| 18:21.17 | dankolb_ | hm. Fortran even *sounds* old-fashioned |
| 18:21.48 | BorgBaby | I don't need to do mathematical stuff really quickly (+ if I did, I'd use Perl!) |
| 18:22.13 | dankolb_ | Nah. Fortran rocks :) |
| 18:22.24 | Leeds | as opposed to Forth??? so named because fourth wouldn't fit into the 5-character filename limits on the system it was developed on? |
| 18:22.34 | BorgBaby | very probably. have you seen the fortran guy who goes to Lonix? |
| 18:22.35 | dankolb_ | :-) |
| 18:22.39 | dankolb_ | Nope |
| 18:23.08 | BorgBaby | ah, ok. Anyway, he works on oil rigs + has been doing Fortran for 35 years... |
| 18:23.17 | dankolb_ | Cool :) |
| 18:23.22 | BorgBaby | innit ;-) |
| 18:23.28 | dankolb_ | Aii |
| 18:23.58 | BorgBaby | mind you, don't think he uses anything else... |
| 18:24.01 | Leeds | anyway, folks... bedtime... |
| 18:24.11 | dankolb_ | night, Leeds |
| 18:24.12 | Leeds | got lots of nothing to do tomorrow... |
| 18:24.16 | BorgBaby | night Leeds |
| 18:24.27 | dankolb_ | Maybe I'll dig out my Forth tape(s) |
| 18:25.00 | BorgBaby | tapes? it's that old? |
| 18:25.09 | dankolb_ | Yeah. Sharp MZ-80K. 1978 |
| 18:25.30 | dankolb_ | Slow machine? |
| 18:25.32 | BorgBaby | Wow. Maybe I could put my old Atari to some use ;) |
| 18:25.53 | dankolb_ | And an Amiga |
| 18:25.57 | dankolb_ | (A500) |
| 18:26.00 | BorgBaby | never liked them |
| 18:26.08 | dankolb_ | Never turned it on, since I got it |
| 18:26.14 | BorgBaby | my Atari only had Basic on it |
| 18:26.30 | BorgBaby | I had it when I was about 12 |
| 18:27.04 | BorgBaby | you could open a museum at that rate |
| 18:27.16 | dankolb_ | With 50 machines? Maybe |
| 18:27.28 | BorgBaby | 50? in one house/flat? |
| 18:27.45 | dankolb_ | House. |
| 18:27.58 | dankolb_ | www.eco.li/photos/Computers/Misc/ |
| 18:28.04 | BorgBaby | mind you, I take mine apart, so there's bits floating around everywhere |
| 18:28.05 | dankolb_ | That's how most of them fit :) |
| 18:29.36 | BorgBaby | Nice! |
| 18:29.47 | BorgBaby | How many monitors? |
| 18:29.53 | dankolb_ | Far too many :) |
| 18:30.31 | BorgBaby | haha - what's the old little one in the first pic, is that an old apple? |
| 18:30.32 | dankolb_ | Probably about 50, give or take a few. |
| 18:30.37 | dankolb_ | URL? |
| 18:30.50 | BorgBaby | Image0 |
| 18:31.41 | dankolb_ | SparcStation ELC, Mac Classic II, Perkin Elmer 3600 Data Station (L->R) |
| 18:32.14 | BorgBaby | do you use a lot of electric? |
| 18:32.23 | dankolb_ | They're off most of the time, so not that much |
| 18:32.47 | BorgBaby | I've got 2 working at the moment, plus another 3 + a laptop in bits |
| 18:33.27 | BorgBaby | hooked up to the stereo too, which is nice |
| 18:33.55 | BorgBaby | mandrake with xmms - works a treat |
| 18:34.22 | BorgBaby | haven't got round to recording FROM the stereo yet, though... |
| 18:34.44 | dankolb_ | Ah. I used to run my audio through the hifi. But now I've put my favorite MP3s onto audio CD |
| 18:35.50 | BorgBaby | I was doing that, still do with some, but ogg files compress nicely (about 150 on a standard cd) - so don't with most stuff |
| 18:36.14 | dankolb_ | Fair enough. I like having the CDs separately |
| 18:36.21 | dankolb_ | Saves having various computers going |
| 18:36.44 | BorgBaby | I do use mandrake as a jukebox, I suppose! |
| 18:37.07 | dankolb_ | Using 200W for a computer, rather than 40 for a CD player |
| 18:37.47 | BorgBaby | the power supply in this pc is really dodgy, think I may have to change it |
| 18:38.04 | BorgBaby | just makes a lot of noise |
| 18:38.14 | dankolb_ | Clean the fan? |
| 18:38.33 | highbury | dankolb_: was the Perkin Elmer the one that ran system V ? |
| 18:38.35 | BorgBaby | could take a look, but don't think so, noises vary |
| 18:39.05 | dankolb_ | Not sure. They had a 7000 series system, that ran Idris (IIRC) |
| 18:39.10 | dankolb_ | which was their Unix |
| 18:39.50 | highbury | hmmmm, a long time ago I worked on a COBOL project which ran on Perkin Elmer's Unix |
| 18:40.06 | dankolb_ | Eek! Cobol! :) |
| 18:40.27 | BorgBaby | one of my first langs ;) |
| 18:40.37 | BorgBaby | was actually ok at it |
| 18:40.47 | highbury | my first job, was a Cobol programmer on HP/3000 MPE systems |
| 18:40.48 | dankolb_ | I've never used it |
| 18:40.57 | dankolb_ | highbury: Showing your age... |
| 18:41.02 | BorgBaby | did a course in '93, never used it since |
| 18:41.29 | highbury | on the HP, they wouldn't buy us any real compilers, so we had top write utilities in cobol too <yick> |
| 18:41.29 | dankolb_ | :) |
| 18:41.36 | dankolb_ | Yick indeed. |
| 18:41.43 | BorgBaby | highbury: so can cobol programmers switch easily to Ada? |
| 18:41.46 | dankolb_ | Sort of like implementing the Unix base system in perl |
| 18:41.56 | highbury | well, its excellent for what it does |
| 18:42.18 | highbury | BorgBaby: not really |
| 18:42.35 | dankolb_ | Designed for managers... |
| 18:42.41 | BorgBaby | I know an old Cobol programmer who got a v. good job doing ada, but don't think he knew it before |
| 18:42.51 | highbury | They're totally different style languages, Ada is Pascal on Steroids |
| 18:43.21 | BorgBaby | Ah. He seemed to like it though - never tried it myself. |
| 18:44.16 | highbury | I remember when they were designing Ada, it was real cool, they actually had a choice of 4 languages, each designated by a colour, red, blue yellow and green. Green won, and became Ada |
| 18:45.13 | BorgBaby | what happened to the other three? |
| 18:45.32 | highbury | Ada, is a very nice language, a bit wordy. lots of syntactical sugar (as they used to say in CompSci) |
| 18:46.41 | highbury | I think one was an extended Modula, I can't remember the others, I still have the original ACM's SigPlan Notices which described them |
| 18:47.28 | BorgBaby | It's funny how languages have developed over time |
| 18:47.46 | BorgBaby | only a few really survive, the others get replaced |
| 18:47.51 | highbury | Trouble was, nobody could write a decent cheap compiler for it, so it never spread |
| 18:48.25 | BorgBaby | there's not a Linux version, as far as I know? There is for COBOL tho' (tinycobol) |
| 18:48.32 | highbury | C has lasted and evolved, so has Pascal, so is Perl |
| 18:48.58 | highbury | Ada is part of the GNU Compiler frontend |
| 18:49.13 | BorgBaby | yep, and that's about it. HTML (not a lang proper, I know) I suppose as well. |
| 18:49.43 | highbury | yep, all my HTML books are now obsolete |
| 18:49.54 | BorgBaby | is Pascal used very much any more? |
| 18:50.08 | highbury | HTML 4.01 is very different from 3.2, and XHTML I thinmk takes it further |
| 18:50.27 | highbury | Pascal is Borland Kylix effectively |
| 18:50.36 | BorgBaby | XHTML looks like the way to go, I need to read up on it a bit more |
| 18:50.37 | highbury | so very much alive |
| 18:50.48 | dankolb_ | Nooo. Kylix/Delphi is to Pascal what Visual Basic is to BASIC |
| 18:51.21 | highbury | what a bastard mutant child :-) |
| 18:51.32 | BorgBaby | Kylix has never installed properly for me yet |
| 18:51.34 | dankolb_ | :) |
| 18:51.46 | highbury | sorry Delphi rather than kylix, dan is right |
| 18:52.02 | BorgBaby | I think of them as the same anyway |
| 18:52.03 | dankolb_ | :) |
| 18:52.23 | dankolb_ | They are basically the same. Kylix is just Delphi for Linux |
| 18:52.39 | highbury | I only program in VHLL nowadays |
| 18:52.52 | BorgBaby | VHLL? |
| 18:53.49 | highbury | Very High Level Languages - Perl, etc |
| 18:53.49 | BorgBaby | not VHDL then! (circuits) |
| 18:53.49 | highbury | although in reality I think Perl is actually a very low level language |
| 18:53.49 | dankolb_ | Nope |
| 18:53.50 | dankolb_ | Can it access hardware directly? |
| 18:53.57 | BorgBaby | I like the flexibility of Perl |
| 18:54.06 | highbury | tooo flexible |
| 18:54.13 | highbury | tooo imprecise |
| 18:54.15 | BorgBaby | Perl can access serial ports + stuff like that |
| 18:54.27 | highbury | Perl can do anything |
| 18:54.29 | BorgBaby | can be sloppy if you're not careful |
| 18:54.34 | dankolb_ | through writing to the hardware port, or writing to /dev/cua0? |
| 18:54.42 | highbury | most people are sloppy |
| 18:54.57 | BorgBaby | if it gets the job done ;) |
| 18:55.04 | highbury | I really should learn Python or Ruby |
| 18:55.08 | highbury | BorgBaby: true |
| 18:55.54 | BorgBaby | I sort of switch off with those two - dont know why, they seem pretty good |
| 18:57.32 | dankolb_ | Too many languages? |
| 18:57.39 | BorgBaby | could be! |
| 18:57.59 | dankolb_ | "Every time I learn something new, it pushes something else out of my brain" |
| 18:58.04 | BorgBaby | C/C++ and Perl with Perl/Tk - enuff for me ;) |
| 18:58.27 | highbury | In the early days of the web there used to be a site which tried to list all the different languages, well over 700 |
| 18:58.46 | highbury | dankolb_: I invented that saying! |
| 18:58.51 | BorgBaby | you don't remember the url by any chance? |
| 18:59.19 | dankolb_ | Groening :) |
| 18:59.53 | highbury | That was my suggestion too! ... changing his name to try and get popular |
| 19:00.05 | dankolb_ | :-) |
| 19:01.25 | dankolb_ | Anyway, I should be heading to bed about 2 hours ago |
| 19:01.34 | dankolb_ | G'night |
| 19:01.41 | BorgBaby | night |
| 19:02.23 | highbury | BorgBaby: I don't have it anymore, I'm checking through Yahoo now |
| 19:02.44 | BorgBaby | don't worry if you can't find it, was just curious |
| 19:03.15 | BorgBaby | saw 'M' in a job advert years ago for the NHS, but no-one else seems to have heard of it |
| 19:04.06 | highbury | Mumps |
| 19:04.31 | highbury | I believe it was quite popular for a time |
| 19:05.16 | highbury | my favourite language was Algol68 |
| 19:05.19 | BorgBaby | tried a google with + programming language - got some stuff |
| 19:05.47 | BorgBaby | don't know that one ;) |
| 19:06.04 | BorgBaby | my favourite is probably perl |
| 19:06.46 | TheNut | Remember programing is the correct spelling in the US. |
| 19:07.01 | TheNut | Or is it? |
| 19:07.10 | highbury | Bourne shell was originally written by one of the Algol68 people, Stephen Bourne, that's why if statements are terminated by fi |
| 19:07.56 | highbury | case ... esac, if ... fi, do ... od |
| 19:08.01 | BorgBaby | what does the US know about correct spelling ? (or shoulds that be speling) |
| 19:08.37 | TheNut | Nothing, but it worth noting that the vast majority of sites to do with computers use US 'English' |
| 19:08.43 | BorgBaby | makes sence in a way, but brackets work fine ;) |
| 19:09.09 | BorgBaby | Ah, I see what you mean. |
| 19:09.17 | highbury | then you'd like lisp (lots of irellevant silly parentheses) |
| 19:09.33 | TheNut | BorgBaby: if...fi is certainly better than python's 'elegant' solution. |
| 19:09.57 | highbury | http://dmoz.org/Computers/Programming/Languages/ |
| 19:09.59 | BorgBaby | lisp just confuses me (to look at), but I'd like to staret doing some AI stuff, so may have to try |
| 19:10.14 | highbury | it seems to imply there's 11,375 of them! |
| 19:10.32 | BorgBaby | TheNut: I never said Python is elegant... |
| 19:10.42 | TheNut | Some people do |
| 19:10.43 | highbury | I recommend "The little lisper" its what I started with |
| 19:10.46 | TheNut | They should be shot, mind. |
| 19:11.04 | TheNut | Oh, and if you want a language that's confusing to look at, try brainfuck |
| 19:11.12 | BorgBaby | that could be an idea - emacs is probably a good tool to start using it with too |
| 19:11.28 | TheNut | http://dmoz.org/Computers/Programming/Languages/Brainfuck/ |
| 19:11.49 | highbury | emacs was originally written in Teco, then in Lisp, and finally in in C |
| 19:12.13 | TheNut | highbury: emacs originally *was* teco |
| 19:12.22 | BorgBaby | there's a 'Little Schemer' too! |
| 19:13.18 | highbury | I used to use Teco :-) |
| 19:14.46 | TheNut | teco looks evil |
| 19:14.48 | TheNut | really evil |
| 19:15.01 | BorgBaby | how old are you? (sorry) |
| 19:15.09 | TheNut | well looked - I haven't seen it in a while. |
| 19:15.22 | highbury | on DecSystem Tops/10, we had two main editors SOS and Teco, I implemented some of the nicer bit of SOS in Teco. But Teco itself was written in Assembler |
| 19:15.39 | highbury | me? 43 |
| 19:15.57 | TheNut | highbury: Is it true that about any string of characters can translate into some sort of teco code? |
| 19:16.05 | BorgBaby | just wondering! (I'm 30) -never come near Teco |
| 19:17.12 | highbury | with teco, you had to be REAL careful, almost any sequence of control charcters would do something! |
| 19:18.32 | highbury | it was impossible to print out any scripts to the printer, so somebody wrote a Teco preprocessor, so one could comment scripts |
| 19:19.26 | TheNut | heh |
| 19:19.27 | BorgBaby | why couldn't you print? |
| 19:19.53 | highbury | the escape sequences would send the printers wild |
| 19:20.33 | TheNut | and, knowing people and computers, probably did |
| 19:20.35 | TheNut | frequently. |
| 19:20.39 | BorgBaby | even printing as a file (closed), sat print foo.teco or whatever... |
| 19:21.11 | BorgBaby | s/say/sat |
| 19:21.27 | highbury | 10c<esc><esc> would move the pointer 10 characters forward (I think), and it considered end of lines as just a character |
| 19:22.52 | TheNut | BorgBaby: The file wouldn't be a 'normal' text file. It would contain characters below ascii 32 |
| 19:23.07 | TheNut | I say would, because I'm just guessing |
| 19:23.34 | BorgBaby | escape characters are below 32 (I think) |
| 19:24.06 | BorgBaby | 27 |
| 19:25.18 | highbury | 32 decimal = space, so below 32 is correct |
| 19:27.20 | highbury | ahh, well, its nice to reminisce.... time for bed! |
| 19:27.32 | highbury | goodnite |
| 19:28.16 | BorgBaby | night |
| 19:29.10 | TheNut | chow |
| 19:34.40 | BorgBaby | gawd, I'm finishing off someone else's vodka here - probably shouldn't ;) |
| 19:35.45 | TheNut | Why not? |
| 19:36.50 | TheNut | It's fridayu noght |
| 19:37.04 | TheNut | sorry -- lights are off |