| 01:01:32 | dromes | join #mandrake |
| 01:01:38 | dromes | err |
| 02:03:10 | zecke | anyone a wake? |
| 02:11:28 | dromes | fh |
| 02:15:20 | zecke | is ipkg from familiar unstable broken? |
| 02:15:51 | zecke | but any way nite |
| 03:08:38 | sendman | how can i resize my root partition during installation on familiar linux ? |
| 03:09:04 | sendman | i want to make the root bigger than 32mb |
| 03:09:24 | sendman | anybody knows do that? |
| 03:10:01 | sendman | anybody knows do that? |
| 03:21:36 | sendman | is away: (automatically dead ) [BX-MsgLog Off] |
| 03:21:36 | sendman | is idle, automatically dead [bX(l/on p/off)] |
| 03:52:12 | Dilbert- | hi |
| 12:49:25 | Mazone | I think u should be very carful so u dont make alot of dependicies to X for those how whant to use frambuffer instead. Ok its nice when u install familiar that u get a X but maybe you should make note in installation instead that the last thing u should do is install one of the following GUI ... |
| 12:49:38 | Mazone | Now as i see it its only OPIE... |
| 12:50:18 | Mazone | I dont think your main focus shoul dbe the top layer of the dist |
| 12:50:51 | Mazone | And i think u got to much of that now in your feed and the base install to |
| 12:51:38 | Mazone | I mean the base feed |
| 12:51:45 | Mazone | The task-complete |
| 12:52:09 | Mazone | Its really good that there is as much as possibly out there but it need structure |
| 12:53:29 | Mazone | And your web sites, included OPIE, handhelds.org r terrible, especially wiki. U get lost there in one sec, and its alot of old inf (srry, wrong place for that) |
| 13:28:40 | dc_ | :] |
| 13:28:48 | dc_ | welcome to hanhelds.org man |
| 13:28:53 | Mazone | thx |
| 13:29:43 | Mazone | ohh i just could my opie up and running :) |
| 14:43:04 | Mazone | Howto Opie and x at same time? |
| 14:49:28 | pintsized | Can anyone help me with a strange suspend/resume problem??? The following occurs reliably, no matter what version I seem to try: |
| 14:50:22 | pintsized | boot familiar; hit power button to suspend; hit power button to resume (everything OK); hit power button to suspend; hit power button to resume - ipaq is dead until I reset. |
| 14:50:36 | pintsized | Kernel is 2.4.18 rmk3 |
| 14:50:39 | pintsized | Any ideas? |
| 14:56:37 | Kero | search the mailing lists. |
| 14:58:27 | pintsized | I did, but couldn't find anything. Maybe I'm just blind. |
| 15:00:00 | ravi | hi everyone |
| 15:00:03 | ravi | how are you all ? |
| 15:01:44 | ravi | i am trying to set up ppp on my iPAQ. it says that the remote modem could be busy or is not configured properly ... can someone tell me why ??? |
| 15:06:02 | Kero | install ppp from familiar unstable |
| 15:13:56 | ravi | Kero: i already have ppp in my iPAQ.. but then i am not able to make it communicate with the winXP machine |
| 15:14:57 | ravi | it gives me the above error when i try to make the connection work.. |
| 15:17:08 | Kero | upgrade ppp from 0.5.2 to ppp from familiar unstable |
| 15:17:47 | ravi | kero: okay, i shall do that .....is that a solution in itself? |
| 15:19:11 | pintsized | Kero: I've looked through the lists, but can't find anyone describing my problem :( |
| 15:19:21 | Kero | afraid not... but it should help... |
| 15:19:26 | pintsized | Kero: Have you heard people talking of the same thing anywhere?? |
| 15:19:57 | Kero | Linux usually tells us what it thinks it is, that is not properly configured. |
| 15:20:29 | Kero | What am I supposed to make of "Could be busy, but then again, might not be busy", idem on "configured properly"? |
| 15:21:10 | Kero | Upon that, familiar 0.5.2 has a badly installed ppp; if you replace it, like I said, you're on your way. |
| 15:21:27 | ravi | okay, thank u :) |
| 15:22:00 | Kero | In addition, you might want to load the ppp_async module (via hyperterm or whatever) before you attempt to connect ppp (and don;t forget to log out from your iPAQ :) |
| 15:22:32 | ravi | what is that pleae ? |
| 15:22:58 | ravi | i mean.. what is the ppp_asynch used for ? |
| 15:24:03 | Kero | difference between synchronous and asynchronous use of serial line, I think. |
| 15:24:32 | Kero | not sure |
| 15:24:42 | ravi | i see.. and then, how do i decide which version of ppp i should be using ? |
| 15:25:52 | ravi | i mean, there are various packages over there in Unstable.... i should pick one of themmm |
| 15:26:00 | Kero | the newest :) |
| 15:26:43 | ravi | :)... well. |
| 15:26:43 | Kero | ppp_2.4.1b2-3_armv4l.ipk |
| 15:26:50 | ravi | okay, thanks . |
| 15:47:06 | MartinG | if cardctl ident says "no product info available" does that mean the device will never work, or just that theres no driver? (or something else?) |
| 16:05:51 | reacend | hi |
| 16:15:19 | sendman | i want to make my root partition more bigger than 32MB |
| 16:15:26 | sendman | is this possible? |
| 16:15:39 | reacend | does anybody have a working doom on his ipaq? |
| 16:16:13 | sendman | i thonk this can be do changing anything in bootldr, ok? |
| 16:21:28 | sendman | i think this can be do changing anything in bootldr, ok? |
| 16:31:35 | sendman | is away: (automatically dead ) [BX-MsgLog Off] |
| 16:31:35 | sendman | is idle, automatically dead [bX(l/on p/off)] |
| 17:31:19 | | well, bootldr docs is http://handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/bootldr.html |
| 17:31:19 | Kero | ibot, bootldr docs |
| 17:33:37 | dromes | iwish i could boot familiar on non ipaq ppc 2002 devices |
| 17:41:12 | sendman | Kero do you know what's the asset partition ? |
| 17:44:14 | Kero | sendman: that's a PPC partition at the end of the flash that you want to keep, in case you ever revert back to PPC. |
| 17:44:36 | dromes | when will the install support usb |
| 17:44:41 | dromes | no one uses serial anymore |
| 17:44:46 | dromes | it will just be an inconvinience |
| 17:45:08 | sendman | Kero how can i create a root partition with 50MB |
| 17:45:15 | sendman | this is possible? |
| 17:45:37 | sendman | i have make with partition set on bootldr |
| 17:45:46 | sendman | but when i load root |
| 17:46:01 | sendman | i get 2 partition again! |
| 17:46:06 | sendman | root with 32mb |
| 17:46:12 | sendman | and ramfs with 32mb |
| 17:46:37 | sendman | i want do root with 52 mb and keep ramfs with 10mb |
| 17:47:21 | sendman | this is right or i'm making mistakes? |
| 17:49:51 | Kero | RAM != flash |
| 17:50:09 | Kero | It's impossible to make a partition bigger than the amount of flash |
| 17:50:12 | sendman | ok |
| 17:50:15 | Kero | (or RAM, for that matter) |
| 17:50:50 | sendman | so linux is on flash partition ok? |
| 17:51:18 | Kero | ramfs sits in RAM, naturally, and consumes RAM as needed (max half your RAM, by default, iirc). |
| 17:51:44 | Kero | In it, we store volatile stuff: /tmp and /var, we don't care if we loose them on reboot or power-loss. |
| 17:51:45 | sendman | ok, but why de linux show only 32mb |
| 17:51:58 | Kero | WinCE and power loss is bye-bye data, btw. |
| 17:52:01 | sendman | ipaq 3850 has 32 rom e 64 ram |
| 17:52:30 | Kero | 'coz if ramfs eats 64, all your apps together have 0, i.e. they die. |
| 17:53:35 | Kero | if ramfs needs 2 MB, your apps have 64-2 |
| 17:53:37 | sendman | sorry! but idont undersantd |
| 17:54:08 | Kero | if ramfs needs 34, it won;t get it, since it can only have 32 max (that's what the ramfs-with-size-32 means) |
| 17:54:20 | sendman | look i want to but some files on ipaq, and dont lost then after a reboot! |
| 17:54:27 | sendman | look i want to put some files on ipaq, and dont lost then after a reboot! |
| 17:54:51 | Kero | so put them in flash, that's what we have jffs2 for. |
| 17:55:14 | sendman | how can i put in flash? |
| 17:55:35 | Kero | type: mount |
| 17:56:16 | sendman | so can i mount a part from flash in some dir on linux? |
| 17:57:17 | Kero | ehm, that has been done. But I suggest you find out how that works with some general linux documentation. |
| 17:57:37 | sendman | ok! |
| 17:57:49 | sendman | look |
| 17:58:07 | sendman | i have 32mb of rom (this is flash?) |
| 17:58:47 | sendman | i plus 64mb of ram, ok? |
| 17:59:11 | sendman | of linux auto-dive in root and ramfs, this is right? |
| 17:59:49 | sendman | of linux auto-divide in root and ramfs, this is right? |
| 18:01:01 | Kero | yup |
| 18:01:09 | sendman | ok! |
| 18:01:36 | sendman | so every thing i but on linux root partition |
| 18:01:57 | sendman | and when i execute, this file gos to ramfs, ok? |
| 18:02:04 | sendman | and when i execute, this file goes to ramfs, ok? |
| 18:04:09 | sendman | so if I expand memory on ipaq (with a card of 32mb) the root will be 16mb bigger and ramfs too! |
| 18:04:15 | sendman | thats right? |
| 18:07:07 | Kero | when you execute, that goes to RAM, managed by the memory-management of the kernel. Not to ramfs, which happens to be in RAM as well. |
| 18:07:44 | sendman | humm |
| 18:07:58 | sendman | Sending task-bootserial.jffs2, 40960 blocks: Give your local |
| 18:08:02 | sendman | XMODEM receive command now. |
| 18:08:05 | sendman | Bytes Sent:5242880 BPS:6286 |
| 18:08:10 | sendman | Transfer complete |
| 18:08:27 | sendman | this goes to ram or flash? |
| 18:10:25 | sendman | /dev/mtdblock/1 32256 6176 26080 20% / tmpfs 31500 108 31392 1% /mnt/ramfs |
| 18:10:45 | sendman | /dev/mtdblock/1 with 32256 <- |
| 18:10:58 | sendman | tmpfs with 31500 <- |
| 18:11:21 | sendman | this is the 64mb of ram has on ipaq, ok? |
| 18:12:37 | Kero | flash is dealt with by the kernel with mtdblock interface |
| 18:13:50 | sendman | so ramfs has 32mb and 32mb more 32mb for running programs! |
| 18:14:06 | sendman | my root partition are in the flash? |
| 18:14:08 | Kero | now tmpfs is the egoistic brother of ramfs that simply takes its RAM |
| 18:14:27 | Kero | your root partition is in flash, indeed! |
| 18:14:35 | sendman | ok |
| 18:14:59 | sendman | i cant make more 32mb because my ipaq has only 32mb :( |
| 18:15:01 | sendman | well |
| 18:15:30 | sendman | i'm trying to put some mp3's and dont loss after a reboot |
| 18:19:19 | Kero | yup. |
| 18:19:43 | Kero | thinks mp3 files are perfect for an extra CF card. |
| 18:19:57 | sendman | :) |
| 18:19:58 | Kero | flash, removable |
| 18:21:31 | sendman | /dev/mtdblock/1 32256 6176 26080 20% / |
| 18:21:37 | sendman | after install |
| 18:21:40 | sendman | tmpfs 31500 204 31296 1% /mnt/ramfs |
| 18:22:33 | sendman | ipkg update |
| 18:22:39 | sendman | every thing again |
| 18:23:02 | sendman | Kero this is my 9th reinstalation |
| 18:23:03 | sendman | :( |
| 18:23:15 | sendman | ipkg install task-complete |
| 18:23:16 | sendman | ops |
| 18:23:54 | sendman | well |
| 18:24:07 | sendman | now i make a backup before reinstall |
| 18:24:07 | Kero | 9th must be faster than 1st :) |
| 18:24:09 | sendman | :) |
| 18:24:15 | sendman | yep |
| 18:24:50 | sendman | i have readed somewhere about |
| 18:25:05 | sendman | flash has lifetime of 10000 times |
| 18:25:10 | sendman | that's right? |
| 18:26:09 | Kero | 10 or 100 thousand. |
| 18:26:14 | Kero | Sufficient, with jffs2 |
| 18:26:44 | sendman | i will learn about jffs2 next |
| 18:27:07 | sendman | kero whats linus distrib do you use? |
| 18:27:10 | Kero | computed that 5 complete rewrites a day would give you 60 years or something. Yeah, that's 100,000 :) |
| 18:27:27 | sendman | god job! |
| 18:27:32 | sendman | good job! |
| 18:27:43 | Kero | debian unstable on PC, familiar with some extra stuff on iPAQ. |
| 18:28:01 | sendman | i use redhat 7.3 on pc |
| 18:28:09 | sendman | familiar 0.5.2 on ipaq! |
| 18:30:18 | sendman | Kero i'm still looking for a apps do substitute my palm |
| 18:30:55 | sendman | i will make something with perl+sqlite |
| 18:31:03 | sendman | i will make something with perl+gtk+sqlite |
| 18:35:57 | Kero | there is storm and pspim |
| 18:36:33 | sendman | i haven't anything about pspim |
| 18:36:40 | sendman | do you have some site? |
| 18:37:05 | Kero | http://paranoidandroid.2y.net/psTools/psPIM/ |
| 18:37:35 | Kero | no, it's not mine and seems to work fine with empty database :) |
| 18:37:53 | sendman | ahahahah |
| 18:38:18 | sendman | i'm waiting kero-cal updates ! |
| 18:44:46 | Kero | installed irb, a fine command-line ruby tool. |
| 18:44:47 | sendman | Configuring task-complete...Done |
| 18:44:56 | Kero | ruby is a fine calculator, too. |
| 18:44:58 | sendman | :) |
| 18:46:11 | sendman | /root/postinst |
| 18:46:36 | sendman | reboot and the restore a backup :) |
| 18:46:51 | sendman | kero i run icewm is cool on ipaq :) |
| 18:47:11 | sendman | 1p4q |
| 18:47:41 | sendman | All fonts downloaded and installed. Thank you, Bill. |
| 19:40:15 | Mazone | Does anyone good at setting up a hotpluging with the usb, sp it get an ip adress and setting the route? |
| 21:23:45 | KeefR | re |
| 22:47:18 | ravi | hi, anyone here ?? |
| 22:48:05 | ravi | i am trying to setup ppp and have rum into problems.... can someone help me please ?? |
| 22:53:43 | ravi | can someone help me please ?? |