| 00:04:21 | Jimmn | anyone here? :) |
| 00:20:27 | nicob | robl^ : I'm sorry, are you still here? |
| 00:25:26 | robl^ | I am here |
| 00:26:17 | nicob | robl^: I've been away for a while, do you have minicom working? |
| 00:26:35 | robl^ | nicob: yeah.. |
| 00:26:46 | DragonEagle | is away: just away |
| 00:27:20 | robl^ | what problem are you having with minicom? |
| 00:28:13 | nicob | robl^: If I want to do an xmodem transfer I press alt+s (I have alt as command button) - choose the file with space, and press "ok", right? |
| 00:29:53 | robl^ | right |
| 00:31:13 | nicob | Nothing happens when I do that, I read that minicom has a timing problem, it times out, well that's what's happening. Ever happened to you? |
| 00:31:37 | robl^ | nicob: do you have lrzsz installed? |
| 00:32:17 | robl^ | mincom has a builtin xmodem protocol that doesn't work well.. if you have lrzsz instaled, mincom will use that instead |
| 00:34:59 | nicob | robl^: Great, I installed lrzsz, and now it works. Thanks! |
| 00:35:50 | robl^ | nicob: no problem. I had that problem before.. |
| 01:07:52 | nicob | Has anyone got animations with their bootloader? |
| 01:08:15 | sgodsell | is back (gone 02:35:13) |
| 01:08:45 | sgodsell | Hello nicob |
| 01:08:50 | sgodsell | I have |
| 01:09:00 | sgodsell | Which bootldr version |
| 01:09:52 | nicob | sgodsell: I've just installed 2.14.15 after I thought I'd made my ipaq a paperweight :) |
| 01:10:31 | nicob | sgodsell: I tried to get it working with 2.14.8, but all I got was a blank screen, glad to find out that the bootloader was still working, it was just not displaying anything :) |
| 01:10:52 | nicob | sgodsell: what do you use? |
| 01:11:59 | sgodsell | nicob: Well for the animations I recommend 2.14.14. The one that came with the bootanim.tar.gz |
| 01:12:22 | sgodsell | I am working on the getting the latest bootldr working with animations |
| 01:12:29 | sgodsell | 2.15.14 |
| 01:13:27 | nicob | sgodsell: I tried it with that one too, but I got an error msg that it couldn't open /dev/mtdblock/1 for writing |
| 01:14:33 | sgodsell | Okay just change the screen play file and change the animationfile to /dev/mtdblock1 |
| 01:14:39 | nicob | sgodsell: I had only /dev/mtdblock1 so I made a symlink /dev/mtdblock/1 --> /dev/mtdblock1 assuming that was the device it wanted to write to, and I got a blank screen on boot |
| 01:14:41 | sgodsell | You must be using 2.4.3 |
| 01:15:11 | nicob | sgodsell: that's right. I only got minicom working today. Installed familiar a week ago |
| 01:15:23 | sgodsell | Okay |
| 01:15:33 | nicob | sgodsell: I haven't had time to fiddle with it before now though |
| 01:15:41 | sgodsell | Well I know it works with 2.4.3 as well |
| 01:16:14 | nicob | but the symlink trick should work, shouldn't it? |
| 01:16:25 | sgodsell | It should |
| 01:17:25 | nicob | hmm, I could try a different animation though. But it won't work with bootloader 2.14.15? |
| 01:17:39 | sgodsell | There is a command as well called showanim, which you can use to display an animation while in linux |
| 01:17:56 | nicob | I tried it, didn't work either |
| 01:18:15 | sgodsell | Is your iPAQ mono? |
| 01:18:21 | nicob | nope |
| 01:18:49 | sgodsell | Hmmm, I have a colour iPAQ myself. And it works fine. Hmmm |
| 01:19:01 | nicob | Does it depend on any packages? |
| 01:19:02 | sgodsell | showanim I_DO_LINUX.anim |
| 01:19:12 | sgodsell | no |
| 01:19:25 | sgodsell | no packages required at all |
| 01:19:31 | nicob | sgodsell: I haven't tried that, I'll give it another shot |
| 01:20:35 | sgodsell | nicob: the command genanim will generate an animation using a scrip file (a screen play file). This will generate an animation file, that showanim or the bootldr can use. |
| 01:21:17 | sgodsell | There is README files that come with the bootanim.tar.gz file |
| 01:21:21 | nicob | I know, I read the readme :) |
| 01:21:53 | sgodsell | So how do you like your iPAQ? |
| 01:22:52 | nicob | sgodsell: I've had it for about 6 months, and only after I got familiar installed have I had any fun with it :) CE was such a doze |
| 01:23:21 | robl^ | I heard that new microdrives don't work on the ipaq. is it winCE only problem or a hardware issue? |
| 01:23:46 | nicob | sgodsell: though I did like the sync features with CE |
| 01:24:19 | sgodsell | Well I had one of the new 1Gig MD, and CE would not work with it. But linux worked no problem. |
| 01:24:32 | sgodsell | Although now it is not an issue |
| 01:24:38 | sgodsell | CE works as well |
| 01:24:58 | robl^ | well.. CE is a non-issue anway. :) |
| 01:25:50 | nicob | linux on the ipaq is so much fun |
| 01:26:42 | robl^ | yeah.. but running it solely from flash is limiting.. that's why I am thinking about microdrive and intimate |
| 01:27:47 | nicob | robl^: the cf jacket and microdrive totally screws up the Ipaq's slim sexy look |
| 01:28:25 | nicob | robl^: not to mention the pcmcia jackets |
| 01:28:59 | sgodsell | Well you can get an upgrade for the iPAQ. You can now put 32Mb of flash and upto 128Mb of ram in an iPAQ now. |
| 01:29:11 | sgodsell | That is internal |
| 01:29:18 | robl^ | nicob: true... but I prefer power to fashion. :) when I want to be fashionable.. I just remove the jacked and boot to familiar/QPE :) |
| 01:29:40 | robl^ | sgodsell: ohhh??? where can I find out more about that upgrade/ |
| 01:29:48 | nicob | sgodsell: hmm, what happens with the stuff I already have installed, do they copy it? |
| 01:30:21 | sgodsell | Well compaq with upgrade or there are some other that will upgrade as well now |
| 01:30:30 | sgodsell | I will try to find the url |
| 01:32:53 | Disconnect | which (if any) of the skiffs have the new fam0.5 libs and such? |
| 01:33:14 | Disconnect | notes that it would be easier to build new ipkgs if there was someplace to build them ;) |
| 01:47:03 | nicob | sgodsell: I still can't get the animation to work. Is /dev/mtdblock1 the same as /dev/mtdblock/1 ? |
| 02:02:47 | sgodsell | Disconnect: found the memory upgrade url for you guys http://www.pce2000.com/index.html |
| 02:11:11 | sgodsell | Hello jdmc2, MalFal |
| 02:14:27 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 01:47:41) |
| 02:14:52 | sgodsell | Hello DE |
| 02:15:08 | DragonEagle | hey hey |
| 02:16:57 | Disconnect | hahaha .. from amazon.com - new 3135 w/ cf sleeve and such, $199 - $50 .. or used for $239.99 |
| 02:17:40 | sgodsell | That makes no sense |
| 02:18:10 | sgodsell | Hmm, lets see I will take the used one. Duh! |
| 02:19:55 | Disconnect | damn. its out of stock - that could be why the used is so expensive. bet there are places selling the same/similar bundle tho. |
| 02:20:32 | Disconnect | checks the $50 mail-in -- maybe I can get one elsewhere cheap and use the mailin anyway. |
| 02:24:21 | Disconnect | looking at page 1 of the rebate, it should be good wherever you buy it. :) |
| 02:25:07 | sgodsell | cool |
| 02:27:09 | Disconnect | sgodsell: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/detail/-/electronics/B00005AAKP/rebates/107-2854987-1667733 |
| 02:27:10 | Disconnect | terms&conditions look ok so far too |
| 02:28:34 | Disconnect | biggest limit seems to be no refurb/used and only US resident types |
| 02:31:02 | Disconnect | WOW. $165 + $20 fedex and the rebate qualifies :) :) |
| 02:31:11 | Disconnect | (no cf sleeve there tho) |
| 02:31:36 | sgodsell | Hmm m |
| 02:31:52 | sgodsell | The sleeve costs 40 or 45 right |
| 02:33:22 | Disconnect | pricewatch says $50 |
| 02:33:34 | Disconnect | so $165 + $50 - $50 = $165 |
| 02:34:03 | Disconnect | + (in my case) $55 (cf ethernet) = $220 |
| 02:34:57 | myipaqdon | hello |
| 02:35:10 | myipaqdon | my nick is supposed to be 'myipaqdontwork' |
| 02:35:32 | myipaqdon | can anyone help me with getting linux to work on my ipaq |
| 02:35:33 | myipaqdon | ? |
| 02:36:15 | Jimmn | sure what's wrong? |
| 02:36:48 | myipaqdon | i've set all the bootldr parameters, and i've flashed the kernel |
| 02:37:09 | myipaqdon | but after flashin the root filesystem i can't boot |
| 02:37:33 | myipaqdon | hyperterminal gives me "VFS: Cannot open root device "" or 00:ff. retval=-19" |
| 02:37:43 | myipaqdon | and it crashes there.. |
| 02:39:04 | myipaqdon | everything before that seems fine |
| 02:39:18 | myipaqdon | what do you think? |
| 02:39:24 | Jimmn | actually, I've been having major problems myself getting PPP running... |
| 02:39:51 | myipaqdon | how so? |
| 02:40:28 | Jimmn | Hmmm, not sure, did you follow the directions for the ram size difference and all that stuff? |
| 02:41:23 | myipaqdon | i've set all the boot parameters as given in the installatio guide. |
| 02:41:53 | myipaqdon | this is what it also spits out before giving a "kernel panic" message: |
| 02:41:56 | myipaqdon | Please append a correct "root=" boot option |
| 02:42:20 | myipaqdon | would that mean i haven't set the parameters correctly? |
| 02:43:13 | Jimmn | not really sure, I just got mine up and running this afternoon... |
| 02:43:43 | myipaqdon | have you had a chance to play around with it? |
| 02:44:35 | Jimmn | yep, cool stuff.. interesting seeing x on a tiny screen.. |
| 02:45:41 | myipaqdon | yeah... how is the audio on it? |
| 02:46:38 | MalFal | sgodsell: Sorry, I wasn't ignoring you. |
| 02:46:45 | MalFal | Hello all!! |
| 02:47:46 | myipaqdon | hi malfal |
| 02:48:19 | MalFal | myipaqdon: How are you tonight? |
| 02:48:35 | MalFal | OK... anyone else here with a mono? |
| 02:48:45 | myipaqdon | its daytime here in sydney... and i'm stressing cause my ipaq don work |
| 02:49:47 | MalFal | can anyone explain why I don't have backlighting? |
| 02:49:59 | myipaqdon | nope |
| 02:50:07 | MalFal | Hmmrph! |
| 02:50:09 | myipaqdon | i can't help you there |
| 02:50:09 | Jimmn | haven't gotten that workin' yet. Soon, as soon as I get some storage |
| 02:50:55 | myipaqdon | is everything else working fine, malfal? |
| 02:51:30 | MalFal | myipaqdon: not really, my window is upside down, I can't get any menus... |
| 02:52:42 | myipaqdon | woah... sounds wierd man... I'd like to help you but i haven't got a clue how this thing works yet |
| 02:54:41 | myipaqdon | which root filesystem are you guys using? |
| 02:54:43 | Jimmn | anyone have any luck getting ppp to work |
| 02:55:10 | Jimmn | I used the full 11 meg root image just b/c I didn't want to deal with loading it over the net... |
| 02:56:21 | myipaqdon | mmm... i tried both but both gave me that same error i told you about. |
| 02:56:59 | myipaqdon | now i've done something silly... i started again from the top and this time i booted in without copying the root filesystem to see what would happen |
| 02:57:24 | myipaqdon | the kernel works fine and i can login, so there must be something wrong with my root filesystem |
| 02:57:39 | myipaqdon | but the md5sum check on the root filesystem file is fine... dunno whats wrong |
| 02:59:37 | myipaqdon | now ican't get back to the boot loader |
| 02:59:41 | myipaqdon | crapola |
| 02:59:43 | myipaqdon | !! |
| 03:00:28 | Jimmn | Do you get the bootldr splash screen when you power up? |
| 03:03:03 | myipaqdon | yup.. only when i reset... but when i connect using hyperterminal, it goes straight into bootin up the kernel |
| 03:04:35 | myipaqdon | phew... cool.. i can get into boot |
| 03:05:22 | myipaqdon | on the splash screen it says press the 'calender' button to get to serial bootldr console |
| 03:07:13 | Jimmn | yep. |
| 03:07:44 | myipaqdon | thing is is that this isn't my ipaq... its the uni's, and its a load from compaq |
| 03:07:54 | myipaqdon | sorry, loan |
| 03:08:18 | myipaqdon | we got it for a week to try it out before buying it... |
| 03:09:18 | Jimmn | Well, HURRY! :) |
| 03:09:37 | myipaqdon | yeah.. but they sent it with a usb cradle, not a serial one... |
| 03:10:17 | myipaqdon | and u can't use usb with loading linux... then they send us a serial cradle like yesterday.... but we need to get it bak to them by tomororw |
| 03:10:17 | Jimmn | bugger...I just purchased the serial cradle yesterday... glad they had it at CompUSA...:| |
| 03:10:49 | myipaqdon | where u from? |
| 03:12:39 | sgodsell | is away: Got to go! |
| 03:12:57 | myipaqdon | this sux, takes like 20 minutes for the root system to go on |
| 03:13:18 | myipaqdon | i'm going to get lunch! b right back |
| 03:55:12 | gmkp | Hi, has anyone compiled the kernel for the mono ipaqs? |
| 04:01:09 | DragonEagle | is away: just away |
| 07:12:25 | klis | Hi |
| 07:12:54 | klis | I have some problem installing familiar on my IPAQ, can someone help me ? |
| 07:13:16 | beeblebrox | ? |
| 07:13:58 | klis | I follow all the necessary steps described on the familiar website |
| 07:14:13 | klis | I try familiar v0.5pre-release |
| 07:14:47 | klis | after installing root, it says that unrecognized kernel image |
| 07:15:04 | klis | which test should I run to verify what I'm doing wrong ? |
| 07:15:24 | beeblebrox | you reading the 0.5 install instructions? |
| 07:15:29 | klis | yes |
| 07:15:45 | beeblebrox | which instructions? url? |
| 07:16:30 | klis | http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/install/H3600/install.html |
| 07:17:36 | beeblebrox | that looks like the correct instructions... |
| 07:18:48 | klis | how can I verify that I flashed the filesystem using a correct filesystem image ? |
| 07:19:14 | beeblebrox | what image did you use? did you check the checksum after downloading? |
| 07:20:05 | klis | Hum... No... |
| 07:20:11 | beeblebrox | also, this error comes after you type in boot? did the loader say verifying.. done while installing the root? |
| 07:20:23 | beeblebrox | which ipaq? |
| 07:20:42 | klis | yes the loader say all the things that are described on the instructions page |
| 07:21:05 | klis | I don't know the correct versin of te IPAQ |
| 07:21:12 | klis | it has 64 Mo of RAM |
| 07:21:22 | beeblebrox | hmm... that can be the problem... |
| 07:21:55 | beeblebrox | try uploading the root image again... also, did you reset after uploading the root img? |
| 07:22:13 | klis | reset ? No... |
| 07:22:21 | klis | ok I will try that |
| 07:22:23 | klis | see ya |
| 07:23:48 | klis | oh, just one thing |
| 07:24:08 | klis | Is there a mirror where I can download all the necessary files ? |
| 07:25:38 | beeblebrox | none that i know of |
| 07:25:47 | klis | ok thanks a lot |
| 07:26:36 | beeblebrox | np |
| 08:19:07 | _Axu_ | hi folks |
| 08:21:55 | a7r | _Axu_: hey.. |
| 08:21:58 | _Axu_ | i installed the familiar 0.5 release image + the bootloader Rev 2-15-6, afterwards i have the suspend touchscreen want work problem, so i ipkg installŽed the kernelpackage+modules |
| 08:22:19 | _Axu_ | hey,: a7r :) had been a long time, great work, i love familiar 0.5 :) |
| 08:22:44 | a7r | _Axu_: Awesome. :) |
| 08:22:58 | a7r | There're a bunch of changes going in tomorrow.. so stay tuned. |
| 08:23:03 | _Axu_ | afterwards my /usr is gone |
| 08:23:26 | _Axu_ | a7r: ok, then ill wait till tomorrow :) before reflashing the 3rd time :9 |
| 08:23:46 | a7r | fear. |
| 08:24:40 | a7r | Talk to you later.. time to sleep. |
| 08:25:49 | _Axu_ | ok, good night :9 here its 11:26 :9 |
| 11:36:06 | dneuer | hi |
| 13:11:51 | nikos | sjohnson, mandrake: Morning |
| 13:11:56 | mandrake | morning |
| 13:11:59 | nikos | sjohnson: What kernel are you using now? |
| 13:12:08 | mandrake | I had a bunch of fun stuff for people to play with this morning |
| 13:12:14 | mandrake | but you can't see any of it, because my laptop is now toast. |
| 13:12:25 | mandrake | the kitten knocked over a big glass of lemonade onto my laptop |
| 13:12:28 | sjohnson | Hey nikos |
| 13:12:38 | nikos | mandrake: OUCH |
| 13:12:44 | mandrake | yeah |
| 13:12:53 | mandrake | so I ordered a laptop that looks identical to the dead one |
| 13:12:59 | mandrake | and I'm going to attempt to swap the hard drive on it |
| 13:13:12 | mandrake | sadly |
| 13:13:19 | mandrake | this has cost me about 3k that I didn't want to spend :( |
| 13:13:24 | nikos | mandrake: double ouch |
| 13:13:36 | mandrake | although now I have a cd burner on my laptop |
| 13:13:39 | mandrake | and twice as much ram |
| 13:13:45 | mandrake | and a slightly faster processor |
| 13:14:14 | mandrake | (I'm not sure between 1 ghz and 1.13 ghz you could tell a difference) |
| 13:14:58 | mandrake | all my ePAQ stuff was on there, too |
| 13:15:00 | mandrake | BUT |
| 13:15:08 | mandrake | I do have a copy at least of the tarball I sent cworth :) |
| 13:15:23 | mandrake | but all my mail, etc, was on there, too |
| 13:15:38 | mandrake | it makes me realize just how much I need to over-redundantify my setup |
| 13:16:28 | mandrake | so quite a few things will be changing when I get my new laptop. I'm starting to set up for it now |
| 13:18:43 | cworth | mandrake: oh, do you want this ePAQ tar ball back then? :) |
| 13:18:55 | mandrake | cworth: nah I have it on my site. I snarfed it from there |
| 13:19:00 | cworth | mandrake: actually, you want to start your WM from scratch anyway, right? |
| 13:19:01 | mandrake | it just means I lost all my recent work |
| 13:19:03 | mandrake | yeah |
| 13:19:06 | mandrake | it's a good excuse |
| 13:19:07 | mandrake | :) |
| 13:19:21 | mandrake | although I'd like to finish up enough of a demo to get people playing with something |
| 13:19:27 | mandrake | I also lost all my mail, too |
| 13:19:28 | mandrake | sadly |
| 13:19:36 | cworth | mandrake: I'll definitely sign up to code a toolkit if you do the widgets for it. |
| 13:19:59 | cworth | mandrake: then ePAQ, xstroke, and friends could use the toolkit. |
| 13:20:12 | cworth | mandrake: losing mail sucks. :( |
| 13:20:34 | mandrake | I have half a mind to make a gtk+-compat toolkit |
| 13:20:44 | mandrake | just shrinking out a lot of stuff |
| 13:20:58 | mandrake | because it'd be nice to have one whole toolkit onboard |
| 13:21:11 | mandrake | for app-portability reasons |
| 13:21:54 | cworth | mandrake: maybe... |
| 13:22:28 | cworth | mandrake: but one of the justifications I had for doing a new toolkit was to explore things that GTK never did, (such as migration and replication)... |
| 13:22:29 | mandrake | yeah, just things I was thinking about |
| 13:22:43 | cworth | mandrake: might not be nice to explore if we're constrained by the wrong API. |
| 13:23:12 | cworth | mandrake: also Render/Xft vs. old bitmapped fonts. etc. |
| 13:23:46 | mandrake | some of the things I am constantly thinking about are the reasons why the ipaq with linux are great, and trying to balance them with making a system that is usable and friendly |
| 13:23:47 | cworth | mandrake: I think our new one could be small enough that we can still easily afford to have GTK+ on board. |
| 13:25:49 | mandrake | so the question is: do we kill off gtk+ out of the default distribution then? |
| 13:25:56 | mandrake | because if we're not, aren't we just wasting space? |
| 13:26:05 | mandrake | I know this sounds odd coming from me |
| 13:26:12 | mandrake | who would kill 4 mb of space to have perl on his ipaq |
| 13:26:18 | cworth | mandrake: no, we're saving space... |
| 13:26:27 | mandrake | (because I'd rather have perl than python by a long shot) |
| 13:27:03 | cworth | mandrake: in the current case we have a tiny toolkit in xstroke and another toolkit in ePAQ. By sharing these, we win. ;) |
| 13:28:18 | cworth | mandrake: seriously though, we can't even think about killing GTK unless we had apps enough to justify that, (which we don't know). Leaving GTK around probably gives us our best chance about having the apps. appear sooner rather than later. |
| 13:28:56 | mandrake | right. that leads me back towards the adapting gtk+ thing |
| 13:29:38 | mandrake | I think because of the small number of things that the ipaq WM would be doing that I could get away possibly writing it all using gtk+ |
| 13:29:46 | mandrake | (you can't do that for most WMs) |
| 13:30:03 | mandrake | (gtk+ just doesn't have the bulk of the code - you have to be a hybrid) |
| 13:31:17 | eff-eff | eth0: command 0x5800 |
| 13:31:17 | eff-eff | did not complete! |
| 13:31:17 | cworth | mandrake: hmmm... that would be another route for getting existing apps to be Xft-aware I guess. |
| 13:32:03 | cworth | mandrake: it's certainly more than I was planning on biting off right away, (I was planning to just build a toolkit as needed and start exploring migration). |
| 13:32:05 | eff-eff | sorry, help with familiar-0.5 and 3c574_cs (eth0: command 0x5800 did not comlete)) |
| 13:34:46 | nikos | eff-eff: I'm afraid I can't give you much hope, I have yet to hear a single successful report on any 3Com card. Someone needs to step up and work on the 3Com modules. |
| 13:35:31 | eff-eff | who had success? |
| 13:35:42 | nikos | eff-eff: Read my comment again. I have NOT heard of any success. |
| 13:35:47 | mandrake | cworth: see, if we make gtk+ work for everything, I think we potentially win both in the short and long term. |
| 13:35:57 | mandrake | the more I think about it, the more I like the idea |
| 13:36:12 | eff-eff | ups. i have to read more carefully! |
| 13:36:47 | eff-eff | Which cards are working (except orinoco)? |
| 13:37:17 | mandrake | cworth: it'd involve changing the menu widgets, removing root window size caching |
| 13:37:49 | mandrake | adding some convenient wrappers maybe for doing stuff with Xrender? |
| 13:38:07 | _Axu_ | ey, goods morning folks :) |
| 13:38:08 | mandrake | (for us) |
| 13:38:13 | cworth | mandrake: it might be right... |
| 13:38:29 | nikos | eff-eff: Any ne2k compatible, also check the wiki page for hardware compatibility. |
| 13:38:57 | cworth | mandrake: we should maybe investigate a bit. I think I heard gtk+ 2.0 was going to do the right thing wrt AA fonts, for example. |
| 13:39:17 | _Axu_ | hi nikos :) |
| 13:39:20 | mandrake | cworth: but we can do AA fonts in 1.2, too |
| 13:39:36 | cworth | mandrake: but yes, changing the menus and fixing root resize, must be done in gtk for the iPAQ regardless. |
| 13:40:01 | _Axu_ | nikos: as i told a7r a few hours ago, good work, familiar 0.5 looks great :) |
| 13:40:02 | sjohnson | mandrake: Not without extensive modification of the XftConfig file. |
| 13:40:29 | mandrake | sjohnson: but we've got ourselves a pretty clean slate to begin from |
| 13:40:30 | nikos | _Axu_: Thanks, I didn't do much though I'm afraid. ;) |
| 13:40:35 | mandrake | so I don't see how this is really a problem |
| 13:41:05 | _Axu_ | nikos: hehe, well ;) |
| 13:41:08 | sjohnson | mandrake: I've tried to get gdkxft working on iPAQ, but only has a slim success after 3 days of hacking. |
| 13:42:26 | _Axu_ | btw. can somebody tell me how its possible to loose /usr after installng a new kernelimage ? (tried it 2 times, always the same) |
| 13:42:52 | Disconnect | sighs - PM is still kinda nasty. ipaq didn't survive the weekend in deepsleep :( |
| 13:43:02 | cworth | mandrake: I might be with you. The only thing I lose is a clean slate for experimenting with migration, but that's really an independent effort that I can do anyways. |
| 13:43:03 | Disconnect | _Axu_: sounds like the kernel is bigger than the kernel partition. |
| 13:43:23 | sjohnson | mandrake: The main difficulty I found was trying to map the XLFD names GTK+ wants to the font-size names that Xft wants. |
| 13:43:26 | Disconnect | anyone know if 0.5 has gtk-squished in it already? |
| 13:43:54 | _Axu_ | disconnect: hmmmm, so part of the root partition gets flashed when writing the kernel.... yeah, that sounds possible :) |
| 13:44:12 | sjohnson | Disconnect: Yes it does. |
| 13:44:13 | cworth | Disconnect: not sure, I know jg played with it and committed it to hh.org CVS though. |
| 13:44:47 | Disconnect | sjohnson: excellent. |
| 13:45:12 | Disconnect | cworth: yah jg built it but didn't have time to test it, so I built it and sjohnson and I were testing it (worked great) but that was the last I heard (3-4 weeks ago) |
| 13:45:17 | mandrake | cworth: what exactly do you mean by 'migration' ? |
| 13:45:50 | cworth | mandrake: oh, sorry. I want a toolkit that support migration of clients from one X display to another. |
| 13:46:08 | mandrake | ahh I wrote something for that a while back |
| 13:46:12 | mandrake | it's actually not too complicated |
| 13:46:21 | mandrake | you can do it all with a proxy X server |
| 13:46:45 | mandrake | as long as all your systems are in the same bitdepth, it's simple |
| 13:46:56 | cworth | mandrake: no, we can do better than that... |
| 13:47:11 | cworth | mandrake: with Render we don't need to rely on matching bitdepth anymore. |
| 13:47:39 | Disconnect | notes that there is still no simple way to post patches and/or new files into the bugtracker. |
| 13:48:29 | _Axu_ | anybody running familiar 0.5 can tell me what boot> partition show prints out ? |
| 13:49:26 | mandrake | cworth: but all of gtk+ isn't rendered through render |
| 13:49:51 | mandrake | cworth: unless we supply a new gtk+ engine that runs through render |
| 13:49:56 | Disconnect | btw the ipaqstat ipkg from 0.4 works fine in 0.5.. so if someone could move it over (and reference the no-easy-way-for-maintainers-to-do-maintainer-things bug ;) ..) |
| 13:50:13 | cworth | mandrake: ah, but remember I was thinking to start a new toolkit. :) |
| 13:50:24 | mandrake | I don't even have render on my desktop though :) |
| 13:50:38 | cworth | mandrake: time to upgrade. ;-) |
| 13:51:31 | Disconnect | wonders about a dual-cf sleeve. that would rule. (and AFAIK be about the size of the single-pcmcia sleeve if you do one insert from the top and one from the bottom) |
| 13:52:00 | Disconnect | have your CF storage AND your 802.11b ;) |
| 13:53:00 | nikos | Disconnect: You forget the space required for batteries. |
| 13:54:51 | Disconnect | nikos: cf sleeve didn't have batteries AFAIK. (which is why it would be smaller/same size as the pcmcia - instead of battery, just 2 "flipped open" slots and the smaller support hw) |
| 13:55:05 | mandrake | Disconnect: you need a battery. |
| 13:55:15 | nikos | Disconnect: For 802.11b and Microdrive, you would need them. |
| 13:55:17 | mandrake | the wireless will drain your primary battery like you wouldn't believe |
| 13:55:18 | nikos | jg: Hello |
| 13:55:27 | mandrake | and so will the microdrive |
| 13:55:37 | jg | nikos: morning... |
| 13:55:54 | cworth | nod. even with the battery in the PC sleeve, 802.11 doesn't last *that* long. |
| 13:56:46 | Disconnect | nikos: depends on how much you use it - 99% of my ipaq time is plugged in (part of that is the interesting pm lifespan, part is just how I use it) but I can (w/o backlight, w/ 802.11b pcmcia) go a couple of hours of web browsing before ipaqstat hits 50% (which is roughly 75% on kernel-apm reading) |
| 13:57:37 | Disconnect | will try draining pcmcia sleeve one of these days and running 802.11b. Although I'd bet the CF dlink card has a lower power usage - and corresponding lower range/etc - it'll still be an interesting experiment. |
| 13:57:45 | Disconnect | jg: heya |
| 13:57:56 | jg | Disconnect: hi... |
| 13:58:18 | _Axu_ | btw. i installed Compaq OHH BootLoader, Rev 2-15-9 [BIG_KERNEL] [MONO] is there any known problem with it ? |
| 13:58:22 | Disconnect | jg: will it do any harm if I pop open the pcmcia sleeve again and unplug the battery for a while? or will it just go "damn no battery, ohwell" and (when plugged back in) go "hey, a battery, cool" |
| 13:58:38 | Disconnect | would rather not burn out the pcmcia sleeve doing this experiment ;) |
| 13:59:21 | jg | Disconnect: dunno... I'd not worry much, so long as I didn't forget to plug it back in again (it is not good for the battery to be completely drained). |
| 14:00:26 | Disconnect | maybe I'll try that tonight then - run the internal batt all the way up, pop off the pcmcia battery, run 802.11b web browsing w/ backlight on, see how long it goes. |
| 14:01:40 | mandrake | Disconnect: from what I understand, you can't run external pcmcia without having the sleeve battery running |
| 14:02:28 | _Axu_ | how is the dualpcmciajacket doinŽ ? anybody experiences ? (im thinking about buing that thing for using ethernet and microdrive at the same time) |
| 14:02:46 | cworth | Disconnect: I agree with mandrake. In my experience the pcmcia card shutsdown when the sleeve battery is dead, (regardless of the state of the main unit battery). |
| 14:03:51 | nikos | _Axu_: The dual sleeve is the only PCMCIA sleeve I own. Works fine, but then I only own one card. ;) |
| 14:04:05 | Disconnect | ah. damn. |
| 14:04:09 | Disconnect | nikos: trade ya for a single sleeve ;) |
| 14:04:17 | Disconnect | nikos: (already modded to fit clik drive even!) |
| 14:04:49 | _Axu_ | nikos: hehe, i have a old nokia cardphone 1.0 interested ;) |
| 14:05:01 | nikos | :) |
| 14:05:09 | _Axu_ | nikos: just for filling the empty slot, it unusable with linux :) |
| 14:06:42 | _Axu_ | oki, folks, bye |
| 14:39:21 | nikos | Morning edwardam |
| 14:40:24 | Disconnect | nikos: wow. you chased him off. |
| 14:40:25 | Disconnect | ;) |
| 14:42:19 | nikos | Disconnect: I seem to do that to people sometimes. |
| 14:43:09 | Disconnect | heh |
| 14:43:15 | Disconnect | bathing occasionally might help ;) |
| 14:55:30 | | jg was last seen on #handhelds.org 55 minutes and 32 seconds ago, saying: bworth: no dialog yet for entering the display? [Mon Sep 24 14:59:58 2001] |
| 14:55:30 | dneuer | ibot: seen jg? |
| 14:55:57 | nikos | --> jg (jg@zap.crl.dec.com) has joined #familiar |
| 14:55:57 | nikos | --> dneuer (smoothie@192.204.192.100) has joined #familiar |
| 14:56:13 | nikos | dneuer_AWAY: Missed him by less than 2 minuts. |
| 14:56:27 | nikos | dneuer_AWAY: err, I'm an idiot. |
| 15:11:49 | MalteseFalcon | is away: I'm busy |
| 15:13:47 | nikos | is away: Errands |
| 15:15:20 | beeblebrox | is away: Away! |
| 15:22:40 | sbch | hi all - I need your help... Does someone have screenshots of familiar 0.4? and could mail them to me? would be very nice! thank you |
| 15:29:18 | Disconnect | looks around - still no answer to what a maintainer needs to do to update an ipkg. |
| 15:29:29 | Disconnect | short of starting their own feed of course, which seems to be the current path a lot of the time. |
| 15:30:43 | cworth | Disconnect: email a7r and volunteer as the maintainer. Send a new ipkg along with the request, (listing yourself as the maintainer). |
| 15:31:05 | cworth | Disconnect: although he won't give up control of core packages. |
| 15:31:07 | Disconnect | cworth: ok will do. about to get a new version kicked out anyway, so I'll wait for that. |
| 15:31:15 | Disconnect | cworth: this is mine from day one ;) |
| 15:31:26 | Disconnect | skiffs down today? |
| 15:31:40 | Disconnect | nm rlogin issues, probably my end |
| 15:32:32 | Disconnect | well maybe rlogin issues. telnet connects but doesn't issue a banner/login prompt. |
| 15:59:28 | _Axu_ | re folks :), finally@ home :) |
| 16:00:40 | _Axu_ | anyone familiar ;) with ipkg ? i get some dependency warnings when ipkg upgrade 'ing |
| 16:01:43 | _Axu_ | like...: Upgrading task-bootstrap-2.4.7-rmk3-np1-devfs (root) from 0.1 to 0.1, ipkg_depends: Warning: kernel-modules-2.4.3-rmk2-np1 mentioned in dependency but no package found in /usr/lib/ipkg/lists |
| 16:02:04 | _Axu_ | ipkg -force-depends upgrade doesnt help either |
| 16:03:41 | | jg was last seen on #handhelds.org 37 seconds ago, saying: Disconnect: send mail to Gita... [Mon Sep 24 17:03:04 2001] |
| 16:03:41 | dneuer_AWAY | ibot: seen jg? |
| 16:04:16 | _Axu_ | i installed the familiar 0.5 image and want to get suspend to work (the ts problem)... when ever i copied thenecessary ipk's via z modem and installed directly my familiar installation got hurt ( parts of the filesystem > /dev/nirvana ) |
| 16:05:43 | _Axu_ | so i thought, ok, lets wait till im at home to tryvia ppp and ipkg update, upgrade. but that leeds me to a new problem :) |
| 16:06:43 | _Axu_ | hmm, damn timezones ;) |
| 16:07:38 | _Axu_ | here its 7:00 pm, hmm, talkin to myself |
| 16:08:21 | _Axu_ | when is that right time to get some answers on my stupid questions ? (+h?) |
| 16:09:30 | _Axu_ | ok, ill be back :) |
| 16:44:23 | nikos | is back |
| 17:03:02 | nikos | jg: Did xev get split out in v0.5 or is it missing entirely? |
| 17:03:16 | nikos | a7r: You around? |
| 17:03:24 | a7r | nikos: yup. |
| 17:03:36 | nikos | a7r: Do we have xev? |
| 17:03:43 | nikos | a7r: Have you tried 2.4.9? |
| 17:04:14 | a7r | nikos: xev, don't think so.. 2.4.9, barely.. |
| 17:04:27 | jg | nikos: xaux-clients package. |
| 17:04:40 | nikos | jg: Thanks. |
| 17:04:54 | nikos | I've noticed that the Q and arrow button modifiers don't seem to be working. But I will check with xev. |
| 17:05:46 | wear2 | hi! |
| 17:06:11 | nikos | Hello wear2 |
| 17:06:15 | wear2 | can anybody tell me about dram_size variable of the bootldr? |
| 17:06:42 | nikos | wear2: You might want to ask on #handhelds.org |
| 17:06:51 | wear2 | ok |
| 17:07:14 | wear2 | thanks nikos |
| 18:00:10 | nikos | jg: Having connection problems today? |
| 18:03:54 | sjohnson | is away: BRB |
| 18:04:07 | jg | nikos: Yup. |
| 18:11:24 | sjohnson | is back (gone 00:07:29) |
| 18:13:06 | | I haven't seen 'deneuer', jg |
| 18:13:06 | jg | ibot: seen deneuer |
| 18:20:28 | nikos | Cool. Just got my EFF t-shirt and bumper sticker. |
| 18:22:33 | spectra | Hello ALL |
| 18:23:01 | spectra | 2 questions: What ssh version familiar use? and... what ftp client does it feature? |
| 18:26:02 | gls | hello, world. anyone have a minute for a python && glade question ? |
| 18:26:08 | nikos | spectra: OpenSSH_2.2.0p1 and wget |
| 18:26:20 | spectra | nikos: thanx |
| 18:58:07 | dneuer_AWAY | how does one set up a channel and become an op? |
| 18:59:05 | sjohnson | dneuer_AWAY: When you create a new channel your are the op. |
| 18:59:41 | dneuer_AWAY | sjohnson: how do you make it persist; do you have to stay connected? |
| 19:00:22 | sjohnson | dneuer_AWAY: If you want to create a registered channel. You need to register it with ChanServ. |
| 19:00:50 | dneuer_AWAY | sjohnson: what's the help command for ChanServ again? |
| 19:01:06 | sjohnson | /msg ChanServ help |
| 19:39:17 | mpakula | says good... to all. |
| 19:56:28 | mpakula | sgodsell: did you give me url to this minicom on potato site ? |
| 19:57:19 | sgodsell | Hmmm, not that I know of |
| 19:58:07 | mpakula | hmm.. must have somebody else, sorry :o)) |
| 19:58:28 | sgodsell | Well what are you trying to do with minicom |
| 19:58:30 | sgodsell | ? |
| 19:59:40 | mpakula | I was thiking to use it as a router,switch etc config tool instead of running with laptop |
| 20:01:13 | sgodsell | Hmmm, I dont see why not. If the router has a com port. (Which most do) Sure! |
| 20:02:31 | mpakula | yup got minicom-like from debian compiled to arm but my flash and ram is too full to put anything at the moment like dipkg |
| 21:16:05 | tc | I have had the handhelds.org and qt versions of linux on my ipaq but a switched back to pocketpc as I could not suspend and powerdown the machine. Can anyone tell me if this is possible with any distro's? |
| 21:18:05 | DragonEagle | is away: bbi10 |
| 21:18:58 | sgodsell | is away: bbiaw |
| 21:20:13 | a7r | tc: it is possible with Familiar... |
| 21:20:44 | tc | oooh nice, thanks:) |
| 22:07:44 | dLux | Hello! |
| 22:08:04 | dLux | Does anyone knows where I can find the "atd" in ipkg format? |
| 22:08:56 | a7r | in the unstable feed. |
| 22:10:43 | dLux | a7r: Thanks! |
| 22:38:40 | pattieja | is away: I'm busy |
| 22:38:58 | pattieja | is back (gone 00:00:03) |
| 22:53:12 | sgodsell | is back (gone 01:34:14) |
| 22:59:39 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 01:41:33) |
| 23:12:40 | sgodsell | is away: Got to go |
| 23:17:56 | DragonEagle | is away: dinner |
| 23:49:58 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 00:32:02) |