| 01:07:09 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 02:21:55) |
| 01:14:18 | Gus | anyone know where to find atd for the ipaq? |
| 01:14:42 | Drrakn | debian ARM packages work |
| 01:15:06 | Drrakn | i forget the URL, but they are available for debian.org's ftp |
| 01:15:12 | Drrakn | precompiled |
| 01:15:40 | Gus | thanks, all look about there |
| 01:17:08 | Drrakn | np |
| 01:17:22 | Drrakn | i snagged telnetd from there, and it worked great - i think SF.net has a mirror as well |
| 01:28:33 | derrell | hi. anyone here? |
| 01:29:37 | Drrakn | nope :) |
| 01:30:11 | derrell | :-) looking for a bit of help with packages for networking. do you know much about it? |
| 01:30:25 | Drrakn | a little bit |
| 01:30:30 | Drrakn | i might be able to help |
| 01:30:33 | Drrakn | what are you trying to do? |
| 01:30:57 | derrell | ok. let's try. thanks. i just got ppp working. (this is 0.5). i have three pcmcia lan cards: |
| 01:31:09 | derrell | xircom credigcard ethernet adapter IIps, |
| 01:31:18 | derrell | ibm ethernet II, |
| 01:31:46 | derrell | ibm 10/100 etherjet cardbus adapter. the only one that is detected |
| 01:31:57 | derrell | is the second one (ibm ethernet II). |
| 01:32:08 | derrell | but it gives streams of "too many interrupt" errors. |
| 01:32:30 | derrell | can i (a) get one of the other two cards to work, or (b) fix this one |
| 01:32:36 | derrell | so it doesn't give me all the interrupt errors? |
| 01:32:39 | Drrakn | hmmmm - if it's specific hardware related, that's out of my league, i'm afraid :/ |
| 01:32:50 | Drrakn | did you post it to the list? or the forums? |
| 01:33:31 | derrell | bummer. i posted about the xircom card a few days ago but no one replied. i just tried the other two cards today. do you happen to know what packages i should install to get my wlan card working? (us robotics in this case) |
| 01:40:20 | Drrakn | 802.11b? |
| 01:40:24 | derrell | yes. |
| 01:40:27 | Drrakn | hmmmm |
| 01:40:41 | derrell | "aironet-modules" sounds promising...??? |
| 01:41:14 | Drrakn | i really don't know - i've gotten usb networking working, and managed to run a few daemons, and i've done tons on my workstation |
| 01:41:20 | Drrakn | and that's the sum of my experience |
| 01:41:21 | Drrakn | heh |
| 01:41:47 | derrell | ok. thanks. i guess it's now time to post to the list again with my wlan question. |
| 01:42:02 | derrell | maybe someone knows about the interrupt error messages, too. |
| 01:42:18 | Drrakn | could be, that sounds strange, maybe range conflicts? |
| 01:42:31 | a7r | the interrupt problems are a known issue.. |
| 01:42:34 | Drrakn | i've been looking around all day for alternate ways to flash my device :) |
| 01:42:35 | Drrakn | hehe |
| 01:42:39 | a7r | we're investegating ways to fix them.. |
| 01:42:55 | Drrakn | i think reflash will do it, because it has "update" facilities |
| 01:43:16 | Drrakn | can anyone verifiy that? (i've already gotten a "no", but it didn't make much sense...) |
| 01:43:51 | derrell | a7r: thanks! it was unusable with all those errors; has anyone come across a way to use it anyway? (interrupt error messages were an infinite loop) |
| 01:44:20 | a7r | derrell: use different cards.. I don't get them often with my 802.11b gear. |
| 01:45:05 | derrell | great! then you may know the answer to my other question. what packages do i need to install to get my 802.11b card working? (mine is a US Robotics which is hopefully supported) |
| 01:48:36 | derrell | a7r: or, if you don't know what packages to install for a US Robotics 802.11b card, what type of card do *you* use, and what packages need to be installed to use it? |
| 01:49:05 | a7r | derrell: I use a Lucent Orinico. |
| 01:49:25 | derrell | a7r: great. and what packages need to be installed to use it? |
| 01:49:37 | a7r | it works using the default kernel modules in bootstrap. |
| 01:50:14 | derrell | really!? ok. then maybe i ought to try my us robotics to see if i get lucky. otherwise, i'll get myself an orinico card for this. thanks!!! |
| 01:53:44 | derrell | a7r: nope. "unsupported card in socket 0". it knows the product info, but i guess not what to do with it. |
| 01:54:14 | sgodsell | is back (gone 04:38:06) |
| 01:54:27 | Drrakn | heya sgodsell |
| 01:54:39 | sgodsell | hello Drrakn |
| 01:54:41 | derrell | thanks all! cya. |
| 01:54:43 | Drrakn | thanks for the help the other day, it almost works :) |
| 01:55:05 | Drrakn | got telnetd and usb networking running with some creativity in inet.d |
| 01:55:06 | Drrakn | heh |
| 01:55:08 | Drrakn | init.d |
| 01:55:51 | sgodsell | so how is your iPAQ running now? |
| 01:56:26 | Drrakn | well, i shut it down after spending most of the day looking for a way to flash from within linux. i *think* i figured it out :) |
| 01:56:30 | Drrakn | i can either: |
| 01:56:42 | Drrakn | install redboot and a CF eth card and flash that way |
| 01:56:55 | Drrakn | or try reflash, which has an update feature |
| 01:56:56 | sgodsell | or dd |
| 01:56:58 | Drrakn | according to the README |
| 01:57:02 | Drrakn | does dd work? |
| 01:57:08 | Drrakn | i wasn't sure, i assumed so |
| 01:57:12 | sgodsell | yep |
| 01:57:18 | Drrakn | but i couldn't get a straight answer out of anyone ;) |
| 01:57:24 | Drrakn | and i didn't want to dd myself to death |
| 01:57:25 | Drrakn | heh |
| 01:57:44 | sgodsell | Never be afraid of the brick ;) |
| 01:57:55 | sgodsell | I saw that in a movie once |
| 01:57:58 | Drrakn | i think the reflash is safer - it "knows" the offsets already, and makes a single kernel mode call |
| 01:58:05 | Drrakn | so less risk of bad paging issues |
| 01:58:18 | Drrakn | (according to them, and it sounds reasonable) |
| 01:58:45 | sgodsell | If you use the /dev/mtdblock/x, then all the offsets are already in place |
| 01:59:09 | Drrakn | ahhhhh |
| 01:59:10 | Drrakn | cool |
| 01:59:13 | Drrakn | so i can: |
| 01:59:27 | Drrakn | get all the images (kernel, bootldr, jffs, ?) |
| 01:59:38 | sgodsell | Remember when the kernel boots it sets up the devices acording to the partitions |
| 01:59:39 | Drrakn | copy them to my MD |
| 01:59:45 | Drrakn | ahhh |
| 01:59:49 | sgodsell | That is what I do |
| 01:59:51 | Drrakn | how do i create the partitions? |
| 01:59:57 | sgodsell | To and from |
| 02:00:17 | sgodsell | The bootldr did that for you already |
| 02:00:18 | Drrakn | will that work if i've never modified the flash before? |
| 02:00:27 | Drrakn | i never used bootldr.... |
| 02:00:29 | Drrakn | that's the trouble |
| 02:00:34 | Drrakn | i'm running totally in RAM |
| 02:00:41 | Drrakn | mounted off my microdrive |
| 02:01:05 | sgodsell | Well you must be. How did you boot your iPAQ? |
| 02:01:07 | sgodsell | ;) |
| 02:01:09 | Drrakn | redboot |
| 02:01:21 | sgodsell | Hmmm |
| 02:01:21 | Drrakn | think: loadlin, in dos |
| 02:01:24 | Drrakn | but for CE |
| 02:03:48 | | sgodsell: i'm not following you... |
| 02:03:48 | sgodsell | ibot serial |
| 02:03:58 | | sgodsell: what? |
| 02:03:58 | sgodsell | ibot cradle |
| 02:04:03 | sgodsell | Ahh |
| 02:07:14 | Drrakn | how do the partitions work exactly? are they really partitions, or are the just "well known offsets (my guess)"? |
| 02:07:37 | a7r | Drrakn: what is a partion, other than a well known offset? |
| 02:08:48 | Drrakn | that's what i'm asking, does it matter that they don't "exist" on my ipaq's flash yet? |
| 02:08:52 | Drrakn | can i just write to it? |
| 02:08:53 | Drrakn | :) |
| 02:09:07 | a7r | you can shoot yourself in the foot, if you want. |
| 02:09:15 | a7r | anything is possible from the bootloader. |
| 02:09:28 | sgodsell | Hey a7r do you know what the url is to convert the usb cradle to serial |
| 02:09:32 | Drrakn | ahhh, that doesn't sound promising :) |
| 02:09:40 | Drrakn | i'll just get a serial cable. heh. |
| 02:09:43 | a7r | sgodsell: not off the top of my head, but I know it's on the Wiki someplace. |
| 02:10:00 | Drrakn | brb |
| 02:15:27 | Drrakn | well, thanks for the assistance everyone, i'll let you know if i brick the thing doing something stupid, or manage to get it working ;) |
| 02:29:30 | MalteseFalcon | sgodsell, the serial cradle works perfectly for me, and I think I saw them for 30 bucks at amazon. |
| 02:30:13 | sgodsell | MalteseFalcon: I have both cradles |
| 02:30:26 | MalteseFalcon | Ahhh.... sorry, just trying to be helpfil. |
| 02:30:27 | sgodsell | I was just looking it up for Drrakn |
| 02:30:38 | sgodsell | Hey no problem |
| 02:30:42 | sgodsell | Thanks |
| 02:39:39 | sgodsell | is away: I have to beat up this cold |
| 03:39:53 | DragonEagle | is away: just away |
| 06:35:25 | SleepingDragon | is away: night |
| 12:27:47 | sgodsell | is back (gone 09:48:07) |
| 12:57:12 | pattieja | is back (gone 15:19:08) |
| 13:23:58 | nikos | Morning edwardam |
| 13:26:58 | nikos | Hi BBrox |
| 13:27:15 | edwardam | nikos: morning |
| 13:28:06 | BBrox | 'lo all |
| 13:28:52 | nikos | Well, I setup a LaBrea server yesterday, but it appears to have freaked out our underpowered temporary gateway router, so I've had to turn it off. |
| 13:44:47 | Disconnect | morning all. |
| 13:45:02 | Disconnect | is the buglist in here still mostly accurate? http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/install/H3600/install.html |
| 13:45:22 | Disconnect | (suspend/resume problems, specifically. package dependencies I can argue with as needed ;) ..) |
| 13:46:12 | Disconnect | that looked like it stung a bit. |
| 13:46:45 | SleepingDragon | ahhhhhh help me my servers being split |
| 13:47:17 | nikos | aha, so that wasn't just me. |
| 13:50:16 | Disconnect | anyway. lemme ask again (and if the network explodes again, I'll assume its a buggy question ;) ..) |
| 13:50:19 | Disconnect | is the buglist in here still mostly accurate? http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/install/H3600/install.html |
| 13:50:20 | Disconnect | (suspend/resume problems, specifically. package dependencies I can argue with as needed ;) ..) |
| 13:52:24 | nikos | Disconnect: To my knowledge, if you are asking about the default v0.5-pre images, they have not changed since that was written. |
| 13:52:44 | nikos | Disconnect: However, if you upgrade a package or kernel, then all bets are off. Those notes are simply for the images as they stand. |
| 13:53:38 | nikos | sjohnson: Would you are to look at the [Known Issues] list and comment on what is fixed if you have upgraded to 2.4.9, etc? |
| 13:53:43 | nikos | s/are/care/ |
| 13:55:25 | sjohnson | nikos: on IRC or on Wiki? |
| 13:56:36 | nikos | sjohnson: http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/install/H3600/install.html |
| 13:56:52 | nikos | sjohnson: Oh, your comments? I mostly meant for Disconnect's benefit. |
| 13:57:25 | Disconnect | hrm. so do an install, don't suspend, ipkg update? |
| 13:58:00 | sjohnson | Disconnect: For suspend, you need to update the the 2.4.7 to the -hh5 in the lorien feed. |
| 13:58:39 | sjohnson | Package depencies are minor annoyances. I haven't found any fatal gotchas. |
| 13:59:53 | sjohnson | 2.4.7 has a problem with the sound dirvers not working after a suspend. |
| 14:00:29 | sjohnson | I've been testing 2.4.9. The sound dirver problem is fixed and I haven't hit any other problems. But Jamey has reported some problems. |
| 14:00:57 | Disconnect | sjohnson: yah, that problem I've dealt with already on the 0.4 image (menu option and bash alias for killall mixer etcetc; rmmod etc; modprobe etc -- not the best, but it works) |
| 14:02:14 | sjohnson | And you may want to try the an even newer bootldr 2.15.13. It retains tine on the RTC after a reset. Not totally accurate but it's the time is still in the ball park. |
| 14:03:02 | nikos | sjohnson: Huh? Are we talking reset via the button in contrast to reboot at the console? |
| 14:03:35 | sjohnson | nikos: Yep. |
| 14:03:43 | nikos | sjohnson: Ah, I see. |
| 14:04:27 | sjohnson | My RTC gains several hours after a reset, but Jamey, et all are making progress. |
| 14:05:40 | nikos | sjohnson: Why do you have to use the reset button? |
| 14:06:36 | sjohnson | nikos: You don't HAVE to. It just when you have to, the system dat deoesn't jump back to Stone Age. :) |
| 14:07:02 | nikos | sjohnson: Ah, K. ;) |
| 14:12:39 | Disconnect | rsyncs a quick backup first. |
| 14:14:27 | Disconnect | btw alternate fix for timezone - edit /etc/init.d/x (and whatever else needs it) to include "export TZ=EST5EDT" (or as appropriate) |
| 14:17:42 | Disconnect | also, ipaq+dillo makes a great ebook reader. break a book into 2 meg or so chunks, copy to ramdisk (or just load from external media - dillo was pretty good about not refreshing from disk/etc) and pop off all the sleeves, was great at hte beach. |
| 14:21:43 | | jamey was last seen on #handhelds.org 33 minutes and 40 seconds ago, saying: dwmw2: I'll take a look at the VPPEN spec [Fri Sep 21 14:48:03 2001] |
| 14:21:43 | nikos | ibot: seen jamey |
| 14:23:51 | nikos | When do Kernel drivers lose their (NEW) status? Seems like never, nearly every line says (NEW) now. ;) |
| 14:38:50 | Disconnect | wvlan_cs: MAC address on eth0 is 00 00 00 00 00 00 |
| 14:38:51 | Disconnect | sigh |
| 14:38:58 | Disconnect | and if I suspend/resume I lose touchscreen, right? |
| 14:40:15 | sgodsell | Disconnect: if you update 2.4.7 to -hh5. Then no |
| 14:40:38 | sgodsell | The base v0.5 yes the touchscreen dies |
| 14:41:00 | sgodsell | I believe the kernel in v0.5 is -hh2 |
| 14:41:06 | Disconnect | looks like I have to upgrade then. was hoping to wait a day or 2 ;) |
| 14:41:08 | sgodsell | the stock kernel |
| 14:41:30 | sgodsell | There is ipkgs out there |
| 14:41:36 | sgodsell | for the new -hh5 |
| 14:46:06 | Disconnect | howles. the fscking dev guys unlocked their network so the wvlan card is ending up over there instead of on the lan (where you can actually get to the outside world) |
| 15:23:20 | Nexs | RAR |
| 15:23:35 | Nexs | *stretches* |
| 15:31:44 | Disconnect | wow. /etc/init.d/x stop hardlocked my ipaq :( |
| 15:37:38 | sjohnson | nikos: Bad news. The 0.1.9 wlan-ng drivers don't seem to work on my SMC card. |
| 15:38:04 | nikos | sjohnson: Crap. |
| 15:50:32 | SleepingDragon | is back (gone 12:10:37) |
| 16:03:48 | Disconnect | sgodsell: which ipkg is -hh5? I'm on fam-unstable and lorien, seeing only kernel-2.4.7-rmk3-np1-devfs |
| 16:03:53 | Disconnect | (which is whats already installed) |
| 16:22:52 | Disconnect | Cannot access the Hardware Clock via any known method. |
| 16:23:23 | nikos | Disconnect: Try ln -s /dev/misc/rtc /dev/rtc |
| 16:34:20 | sjohnson | nikos: The 0.1.9 may not be totally nonfunctional with SMC card. The only error I'm gettingis MAC initialiation |
| 16:34:51 | Disconnect | anyone know why ion won't delete frames anymore (or for that matter, create them, except the one random one it made) |
| 16:36:27 | Kero | Disconnect: you just gave me a reason not to run ipkg update/upgrade. |
| 16:36:46 | sjohnson | Disconnect: ion is working fine for me. |
| 16:36:53 | cworth | Disconnect: I haven't seen that problem |
| 16:37:33 | Disconnect | goes "utilities->terminal->5.5" xstroke-on ls and on s it splits horizontally (landscape mode, now top and bottom panels) |
| 16:38:00 | Disconnect | (note I can't get it to do an s to save my life) |
| 16:38:07 | Disconnect | ion: Cannot resize: minimum size reached |
| 16:38:24 | Disconnect | every time I do s. wonder if keybindings aren't gone weird somewhere. |
| 16:39:15 | Disconnect | mod3+S = split_vert... |
| 16:39:43 | Disconnect | and submap k any/no modifier s = split_horiz ... (wtf is a submap?) |
| 16:40:24 | Disconnect | k kills the window. yep, keybindings are fsckered. lemme reinst and see what happens. |
| 16:40:38 | cworth | Disconnect: that means the "mod3-k, s" will split. |
| 16:40:49 | cworth | Disconnect: holdup. Maybe a modifier is stuck. |
| 16:41:01 | nikos | That's what it sounds like to me as well. |
| 16:41:23 | Disconnect | certainly looks that way. reinstalled ion, same thing. restarting xstroke next |
| 16:41:47 | Disconnect | restarting xstroke != help :( |
| 16:42:19 | cworth | Disconnect: no, if a modifier is stuck it likely requires a restart of X. |
| 16:42:27 | Disconnect | yep. restarting x worked. |
| 16:42:39 | cworth | Disconnect: but this would be new. We've only ever seen control get stuck before. |
| 16:42:47 | Disconnect | pushes once again for a utilities->window system->restart x option..) |
| 16:44:24 | Nexs | <#handhelds.org> * cworth encourages Disconnect to code it and submit a /usr/lib/menu file. |
| 16:44:41 | cworth | ah thanks. ;-) |
| 16:44:42 | Disconnect | cworth: did that in pre-04.. can do it again. |
| 16:45:08 | cworth | Disconnect: ah... but that wasn't a nice little menu file back then. ;-) |
| 16:45:34 | Nexs | hmm i can't wait till oct 4 |
| 16:45:38 | Nexs | gets all giddy |
| 16:46:01 | Nexs | uh oh.. caffiene iv is running low.. time to feel up wth more battery |
| 16:47:38 | Disconnect | cworth: cworth at handhelds? |
| 16:47:51 | Nexs | *yawn* |
| 16:47:52 | Nexs | grr |
| 16:47:55 | Nexs | stupid body |
| 16:47:59 | Nexs | why must it require sleep |
| 16:48:03 | Nexs | kicks himself |
| 16:48:07 | cworth | Disconnect: no, Familiar bug-tracking system. |
| 16:50:19 | Disconnect | sees no easy way to put 2 new files in there. but whatever, I'll figure something out. |
| 16:51:22 | cworth | Disconnect: Well, menu files are typically one-liners. or, you can mail familiar@. Take your pick, (but the bug tracker has a better memory). |
| 16:52:16 | nikos | cworth: Indeed, I implement exactly that in a one line /usr/lib/menu file previously (lost it in upgrade to v0.5 though). |
| 16:52:57 | DragonEagle | is away: bbl |
| 16:53:00 | Nexs | i wonder what shutdown -h now would do on an iPAQ |
| 16:53:13 | Disconnect | Nexs: halt. same as -r but w/o going to bootldr. |
| 16:53:40 | Nexs | would it kill the power or just the halt message? |
| 16:53:44 | Disconnect | just halt. |
| 16:53:52 | Disconnect | power is killed via switch underneith |
| 16:53:53 | Nexs | so no real apm stuff in there? |
| 16:54:39 | mpakula | says hi on this truely good evening |
| 16:55:20 | Nexs | howdy |
| 16:55:33 | Disconnect | Nexs: define 'real apm stuff'... IIRC there is no way from software to turn off power. its a palmtop. it can sleep, it can run, it can 'powersave' (eg turn off backlight, lcd, serial, etc) but ti doesn't turn off. |
| 16:56:07 | Nexs | well by asking that question i was kinda hoping to find out if it could |
| 16:56:08 | Nexs | ;) |
| 16:56:12 | Nexs | which I guess I did |
| 16:56:59 | Nexs | you know like how most modern computers do when you shutdown -h when you have apm setup |
| 16:57:26 | Disconnect | ok whats the cheat code for "k"..?? |
| 16:58:13 | cworth | Disconnect: in xstroke? |
| 16:58:20 | Disconnect | yah. getting a whole lot of 'c' goin on. |
| 16:58:54 | Disconnect | pokes around.. grr. wtf happened to my cheat sheet? used to live in the ipaq case. :( |
| 16:59:07 | cworth | Disconnect: if you're using the latest, it changed to a Grafitti-style stroke, (with a loop in it like a Greek alpha). |
| 16:59:31 | cworth | Discconect: new postscript cheat sheet at: ftp://ftp.handhelds.org/pub/projects/xstroke/release-0.5 |
| 16:59:37 | Disconnect | ahhhhhhhhh. that'd do it. :) |
| 16:59:45 | Disconnect | cool tnx |
| 16:59:54 | cworth | Disconnect: xstroke-help package to appear shortly, (triggered by a stroke). |
| 17:00:13 | Disconnect | excellent. |
| 17:00:20 | cworth | Disconnect: you can even launch arbitrary programs with strokes these days. quite fun! |
| 17:00:31 | Disconnect | (and hte recognition/etc seems much faster/smoother with the new version. way cool. :) ..) |
| 17:01:22 | cworth | hmm... didn't think it was any faster. But it is more accurate in general, uses less memory, and is certainly more visually appealing. |
| 17:01:59 | bworth | disconnect: hey, long time no see - where've you been? |
| 17:17:12 | Disconnect | ok I give up. the cheat sheet says | is <straight up line> but all that gets me is "shift" |
| 17:18:37 | cworth | Disconnect: subtlety in the cheat sheet: | is actually up-down-up, (see also strokes for _ and !) |
| 17:19:44 | Disconnect | cworth: ahh. got it. (I swear, at least on this printout there is an arrow @ the top! prolly artefact of curvy-180-turn-thing :( ..) |
| 17:19:50 | cworth | Disconnect: the problem being that the initial dot overlaps with the arrowhead, (and the turn-around loops look like an initial dot) |
| 17:20:05 | Disconnect | maybe untwist them a bit ala ; ..? |
| 17:20:23 | cworth | Disconnect: yes, the arrow is supposed to be at the top. :) |
| 17:21:01 | cworth | Disconnect: they're untwisted the same amount, but the initial dot fills it in. I'll untwist some more... |
| 17:22:19 | Disconnect | prolly won't have any mroe trouble w/ it but who knows. can always shove it sideways 1 pixel or 2, esp if you draw in the (faint) locator grid so its clear that its all in one box |
| 17:22:31 | Disconnect | ala the laminated graffiti cheat sheets that used to come with palmpilots. |
| 17:22:55 | Disconnect | bbiab |
| 17:27:36 | sjohnson | This is interesting. The latest orinco drivers seeem to support prism2 cards. |
| 17:29:38 | dneuer | hi |
| 17:30:33 | pattieja | is away: clients |
| 17:35:08 | nikos | Hi dneuer. Can you help MalteseFalcon find the latest/greatest for 3100s? |
| 17:35:58 | MalteseFalcon | nikos: thanks, I just hit him up for the same on a different channel. :) |
| 17:36:04 | dneuer | nikos: I;m on it |
| 17:36:12 | nikos | MalteseFalcon, dneuer: Oops! ;) Thanks. |
| 17:38:50 | mpakula | anybody: when I instal gtk and menu tiny I have two menus on blackbox: original one and gtk how to get rid of one of them ? |
| 17:39:22 | cworth | mpakula: "ipkg remove gtk-menu" |
| 17:40:57 | mpakula | cworth: Isn't it useful for some other applications( or required for some apps) ? |
| 17:42:09 | mpakula | cworth: I thought that it is a common menu for vast number of apps |
| 17:42:49 | cworth | mpakula: no. menu-tiny is familiar's menu system. blackbox supports it, (as does gtk-menu). You don't need both. |
| 17:45:51 | mpakula | cworth: so what you mean ( I'm slowely thinking after whole day lab work) is that gtk is not used strictly in apps ? blackbox has nice menu with styles and I prefere that :o) |
| 17:46:40 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 00:53:42) |
| 17:46:42 | Disconnect | hrms. time to see wtf all is installed. just rebuilt a couple hours ago, already up to 86% full :( |
| 17:47:01 | Disconnect | mpakula: gtk-menu is a menu app written in gtk. |
| 17:47:02 | cworth | mpakula: well, *many* packages use gtk, (ie. libgtk). But gtk-menu is just the "Menu" program running there, and if you don't like it, then remove it. |
| 17:47:48 | mpakula | cworth: understood Tnx |
| 17:54:25 | mpakula | cworth: sice more and more ppl are getting microdrive wouldn't it to be a good idea to set a parameter to 'ipkg install' to allow users to instal .ipk to some other destination than default |
| 17:54:50 | mpakula | I do understand that it is related to whole ipk-build procedure but.. |
| 17:55:03 | cworth | mpakula: uhm... this is there "ipkg -d ext foo" for example. See /etc/ipkg.conf |
| 17:56:15 | Disconnect | thinks (if it isn't already) it'd be good in pikpak. but its there in ipkg. |
| 17:56:23 | Disconnect | btw which (if any) skiffs have the 0.5 libs? |
| 17:58:15 | Disconnect | ponders filing a 'here is the new dillo drop-in binary' bug but cutting & pasting a bin into the bugtracker would be rude at best ;) |
| 17:59:18 | cworth | Disconnect: please file a bug against the non-existance of a good way for developers to submit packages. |
| 17:59:31 | mpakula | urgently has to leave bb in 20 min |
| 17:59:48 | cworth | Disconnect: yes, pikpak needs to support the multiple-destination stuff, (if it doesn't already --- I haven't tried pikpak in quite some time) |
| 18:03:00 | Disconnect | what about bug filing via email? thats a bigger issue (at least for me) |
| 18:08:26 | dneuer_AWAY | is away: bbl |
| 18:14:27 | edwardam | is away: Gotta Go, gotta go.... |
| 18:15:57 | nikos | Disconnect: GNATS can do that, see the instructions. |
| 18:16:25 | nikos | Disconnect: The only problem is you have to set the form up yourself that way. |
| 18:20:19 | beeblebrox | is away: Away! |
| 18:27:40 | DragonEagle | is away: brb |
| 18:38:38 | mpakula | terrys: are you hacking rat-media or rat-ui too? |
| 18:38:53 | terrys | mpakula: rat-ui |
| 18:39:37 | terrys | mpakula: at this point I don't see rat-media needs modification |
| 18:40:05 | mpakula | terrys: how about media ? that i assume was causing this core dump messages on my 2.4.7 |
| 18:40:52 | terrys | mpakula: jamey has new audio modules for 2.4.7 |
| 18:41:15 | mpakula | terrys:already in the feed ? |
| 18:42:30 | terrys | mpakula: 247g.tgz in ftp://lorien.handhelds.org/pub/linux/feeds/demo |
| 18:43:37 | mpakula | terrys: are they going to be packaged for ipkg install sound-... |
| 18:44:19 | terrys | mpakula: I don't know, ask jamey |
| 18:47:21 | mpakula | terrys: so I guess I'm ready for 0.5 |
| 18:47:46 | Disconnect | nikos: according to TFM if you send via email it takes subject, sender and body and defaults the rest (which is fine). but the lack of addy to send to makes that sorta moot anyway. ;) |
| 18:48:04 | sjohnson | Grrrrr!! Of all the stupid... |
| 18:48:40 | nikos | Disconnect: familiar-bugs@handhelds.org |
| 18:48:47 | nikos | sjohnson: ? |
| 18:50:02 | sjohnson | nikos: SMC- Linux users need to upgrade firmware to use ad_hoc mode using this utilWinUpdate_OEM_1.1.zipity - |
| 18:50:24 | sjohnson | nikos: SMC- Linux users need to upgrade firmware to use ad_hoc mode using this utility - WinUpdate_OEM_1.1.zip |
| 18:50:28 | nikos | sjohnson: Sigh, not an option for me. |
| 18:50:41 | sjohnson | Duh!!! |
| 18:50:58 | nikos | sjohnson: I assume there is a DOS or Win exec in there? |
| 18:51:14 | sjohnson | Windows |
| 18:51:16 | nikos | sjohnson: I guess I could find someone with a Win laptop. |
| 18:51:51 | sjohnson | has a bell go off in his head... |
| 18:55:03 | edwardam | is back (gone 00:40:36) |
| 18:55:58 | nikos | sjohnson: Nevertheless, it clearly sucks. |
| 18:57:17 | sjohnson | nikos: I think I remember seeing a linux based util to flash the prims2 cards. |
| 18:57:33 | sjohnson | I can' remember where I saw it. :-( |
| 18:57:47 | nikos | sjohnson: Hmmmmm |
| 18:59:53 | terrys | sjohnson: are you thinking of prism2dl,c in wlan-ng |
| 19:00:07 | sjohnson | terrys: Yes. That's it! |
| 19:00:14 | nikos | sjohnson: Hmm, I found source direct from intersil. |
| 19:00:58 | nikos | sjohnson: Erm, maybe not. |
| 19:01:25 | terrys | nikos: I thought intersil was linux-agnostic |
| 19:02:09 | nikos | terrys: Turns out you can't get the source unless you purchase a reference design. |
| 19:02:21 | terrys | nikos: hah... |
| 19:02:33 | sjohnson | prism2dl.c doens't seem to be in 0.1.8-pre* |
| 19:02:35 | nikos | terrys: Although pulling the right strings might get around that. |
| 19:03:57 | terrys | nikos: woo you have links into intersil - know anything about what they're doing with the ARM core in Prism3 ? |
| 19:04:56 | Disconnect | ponders a wearable arm cluster of ipaqs, dual sleeves and prism3 cards ;) |
| 19:05:16 | nicob | How do I get my Ipaq online? I have it attached to the serial cradle |
| 19:06:35 | terrys | ponders a generic MAC layer that supports QoS |
| 19:08:18 | | i think ppp is http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/PPPHowto |
| 19:08:18 | nikos | ibot: ppp |
| 19:08:22 | | usbnet is probably at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/How%20do%20I%20setup%20USB%20networking |
| 19:08:22 | nikos | ibot: usbnet |
| 19:08:45 | nikos | terrys: No, I don't have any such links. ;) I'm just reading from a webpage. |
| 19:08:56 | nikos | terrys: I don't mean to claim that I could pull any such strings. |
| 19:10:25 | terrys | nikos: ahhh - no problem - I guess I'll keep trying Intersil's front door... |
| 19:16:24 | terrys | sjohnson: I found it in my HH CVS image |
| 19:35:06 | DragonEagle | is away: just away |
| 19:42:56 | sjohnson | terrys: It won't compile |
| 19:43:42 | terrys | sjohnson: I didn't write, I just found it :) |
| 19:43:56 | sjohnson | I know. |
| 19:44:39 | terrys | sjohnson: what's bothering it ? |
| 19:45:08 | sjohnson | Don't know. Just too much syntax and parse errors. |
| 19:46:02 | terrys | sjohnson: let me try giving it a wack here... |
| 19:46:32 | terrys | sjohnson: what are you using for a toolchain ? |
| 19:47:28 | sjohnson | I've tried the beta tool chain and also native on the skiffcluster. |
| 19:47:55 | terrys | sjohnson: nod |
| 19:55:34 | mpakula | terrys: did you use .13 bootldr ? any problems i should be prepared for ? |
| 19:56:12 | terrys | mpakula: I'm still back at .6 haven't upgraded yet |
| 19:58:11 | mpakula | http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/install/H3600/install.html am I looking at the right place ? |
| 19:58:22 | a7r | if you want v0.5, yup. |
| 19:58:56 | mpakula | a7r: who doesn't :o) |
| 19:59:22 | a7r | hah, then that's what you want |
| 19:59:31 | Motse | I am trying to make a ppp connection to my iPAQ via IrDA but I can't find irtty module (2.4.7 and 2.4.9 mit irda-modules installed (0.5)) |
| 20:00:31 | mattzz | Motse: i filed that in GNATS already |
| 20:00:44 | Motse | ok |
| 20:01:10 | Motse | solution - wait for another kernel - right ? |
| 20:01:38 | mattzz | Motse: maybe just for a new irda-ipkg |
| 20:01:58 | mpakula | gone for 10 min huge pizza and mega cola arrived |
| 20:06:23 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 00:31:17) |
| 20:28:26 | nikos | wb ibot |
| 20:28:28 | | It's great to be back. I missed this place! |
| 20:28:28 | nikos | ibot: wb |
| 20:28:31 | | i guess sshkeys is ssh-keygen -b 512 -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key -N ''; ssh-keygen -d -b 512 -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key -N '' |
| 20:28:31 | nikos | ibot: sshkeys |
| 20:31:30 | nicob | geez, how long does it take to generate those dsa keys? |
| 20:31:38 | nicob | forever it seems |
| 20:33:44 | nikos | nicob: Without -b 512, it would be a long time. |
| 20:38:47 | nicob | quit |
| 20:38:52 | nicob | :) |
| 21:11:02 | derrell | help say |
| 21:11:11 | sgodsell | is away: Got to go! |
| 21:12:26 | DragonEagle | is away: just away |
| 21:18:55 | mpakula | is going off-line , but will be back in tthe next episode of "Familiar gets better every day" |
| 21:20:24 | sjohnson | Well, slap me with a mackrel... |
| 21:20:39 | derrell | hello. i'm looking for recommendations on cdpd pcmcia cards that work with familiar. any known working cards? |
| 21:21:18 | sjohnson | derrell: As far as I know, any should work. I believe that look like regular modules to the OS. |
| 21:21:19 | nikos | derrell: I can't name cards, but most should just appear as a serial device with a standard AT interface. |
| 21:22:12 | derrell | ok. i'm hoping to find someone who's actually used one, to ensure it's going to work before spending the $150 or so... |
| 21:22:25 | nikos | derrell: Search the mailing lists on handhelds.org |
| 21:22:50 | derrell | ok. i think i searched the wiki, but i'll check mailing lists as well. thanks. |
| 21:22:55 | Nexs | actually anyone pick up one of those 5 gb drives from toshiba yet? |
| 21:58:14 | Kero | Nexs: a colleague has one. |
| 22:02:34 | Nexs | what is he using it in/ does he like it? |
| 22:11:07 | Kero | Says it's a bit slower than a uDrive, but not much. |
| 22:11:16 | Kero | He tried it in some laptop, not yet in an iPAQ. |
| 22:11:55 | Kero | uses ide-cs, so it should work out of the box for iPAQ |
| 22:12:24 | Nexs | that what i was interested in mainly for a portable movie/mp3 player |
| 22:12:37 | Nexs | and they are only like 300+ bucks |
| 22:12:47 | Nexs | cheaper then the ibm 1 gb drives |
| 22:16:04 | Kero | yup. |
| 22:23:10 | pattieja | is away: I'm busy |
| 22:23:28 | pattieja | is back (gone 00:00:04) |
| 22:35:17 | pattieja | is away: home |
| 22:49:01 | EGg0 | is away: I'm reading a book. Do you remember books? |
| 23:28:00 | edwardamWatchingTV | is away: Gotta Go, gotta go.... |