| 00:11.59 | kernelzitowz | worked with svn ... was using snapshot version |
| 00:12.11 | kernelzitowz | thanks for help ¬¬ |
| 00:12.16 | kernelzitowz | :P |
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| 03:45.51 | kernelzitowz | configure: error: no termcap library found |
| 03:46.11 | kernelzitowz | how to fix this error while compiling with buildroot ? |
| 03:46.46 | kernelzitowz | make menuconfig don't have libtermcap |
| 03:48.16 | Dr_Who | building a kernel ? |
| 03:49.26 | kernelzitowz | no... building gdb |
| 03:49.42 | kernelzitowz | into buildroot |
| 03:49.42 | Dr_Who | ah ... that'd be a bit more critical then |
| 03:51.01 | kernelzitowz | i've selected tinyx in make menuconfig for buildroot... gdb came as depends... |
| 03:51.51 | kernelzitowz | I need a floppy with linux and tinyx... uclibc+busybox+tinyx would be perfect... |
| 03:55.52 | Dr_Who | shoudl be possible .. alas I'm not a buildroot user ... but I'm weird like that |
| 03:58.59 | kernelzitowz | i need this for rdesktop (thinclient) |
| 04:00.19 | kernelzitowz | tested rdesktop with sdl and with svgalib... not good =\ tinyx would be perfect... |
| 04:03.06 | flyback- | why floppy |
| 04:04.35 | kernelzitowz | floppy because old hardware, no hd |
| 04:04.50 | flyback- | does it have ide port? |
| 04:05.05 | kernelzitowz | yep have ide |
| 04:05.17 | flyback- | yiou know you can get a compact flash to ide adaptor for like $3 us now |
| 04:06.19 | flyback- | much less hassle than floppy |
| 04:06.45 | flyback- | plus cost of a cf module which are cheap now |
| 04:06.45 | kernelzitowz | not as 'low cost' as floppy =] |
| 04:06.48 | flyback- | I dunno about .br |
| 04:06.54 | flyback- | yeah but floppy not reliable |
| 04:06.57 | flyback- | in long term |
| 04:07.48 | flyback- | good luck though :) |
| 04:09.04 | flyback- | I still have to use floppies to bootload sometimes |
| 04:09.11 | flyback- | but I am switching to cf + adaptor |
| 04:09.20 | flyback- | I can plug them in and forget about them for years |
| 04:09.54 | kernelzitowz | thanks... i'll try with floppy because i need as low cost as possible solution |
| 04:10.18 | kernelzitowz | floppy -> diskcopy, backup |
| 04:12.17 | flyback- | oh nothing wrong with floppy for temp |
| 04:15.39 | kernelzitowz | i don't used floppy for a long time... now i'm trying this, because here the old hardware still very in use in the offices... running with w98 and office97 |
| 04:16.36 | kernelzitowz | pentium166, 233 with 32mb ram ... dinossaurs |
| 04:16.43 | kernelzitowz | =P |
| 04:19.53 | Redhatter | LiveCD not an option? |
| 04:20.23 | kernelzitowz | no... the machines doesn't have CD drive |
| 04:20.38 | kernelzitowz | and pentium 166 boots from CD ? |
| 04:20.39 | Redhatter | Hmmm... how does one load Office97 and Win98 without one? |
| 04:20.54 | Redhatter | You should be able to get around non-El Torito compatible BIOSes using the Smart Boot Manager |
| 04:21.04 | Redhatter | http://btmgr.sf.net IIRC |
| 04:22.00 | kernelzitowz | good =] |
| 04:23.33 | kernelzitowz | still trying floppy (low cost) but Smart Boot Manager would be fine if floppy does not work... |
| 04:23.47 | kernelzitowz | thanks =] |
| 04:35.17 | Redhatter | Well, my experience has been this: I'm flat out getting a bare kernel on a 1.44MB floppy... let alone a uClibc-based userland with X |
| 04:35.56 | flyback- | did you try |
| 04:36.02 | kernelzitowz | good |
| 04:36.06 | flyback- | using 2 floppy drives |
| 04:36.07 | flyback- | or |
| 04:36.10 | flyback- | non standard formats |
| 04:36.12 | flyback- | like 1.7xx |
| 04:36.26 | flyback- | personally I think it's easier to buy a cf to ide adaptor for $4 |
| 04:36.32 | Redhatter | I've got two floppy drives in the machine, a 3.5" 1.44MB and a 5.25" 1.2MB |
| 04:36.32 | flyback- | and a 32 meg cf for $5 or free |
| 04:36.38 | flyback- | peple throw them out |
| 04:36.44 | flyback- | cause they won't fit a lot of music etc |
| 04:36.50 | flyback- | but fine for small linux distros |
| 04:36.54 | flyback- | appears as a normal ide hd |
| 04:36.57 | flyback- | no special drivers |
| 04:37.09 | Redhatter | Hmmm, except this 386 has a SCSI controller, not IDE. |
| 04:37.19 | flyback- | well |
| 04:37.24 | flyback- | slap a isa ide card in it for $2 |
| 04:37.40 | flyback- | actually what country are you in ? |
| 04:37.45 | Redhatter | Australia |
| 04:37.48 | flyback- | damn |
| 04:37.51 | flyback- | too far to send one :/ |
| 04:38.00 | kernelzitowz | i'm in brazil.. |
| 04:38.04 | flyback- | you should be able to find one cheap though |
| 04:38.08 | flyback- | or make one |
| 04:38.12 | flyback- | using 74 series logic |
| 04:38.12 | Redhatter | It's fine... I should go picking through the hardware I've got and see what works. |
| 04:38.33 | flyback- | actually |
| 04:38.35 | flyback- | with isa bus |
| 04:38.39 | flyback- | you could make a flash interface |
| 04:38.47 | flyback- | and just use the floppy to get the bootloader going |
| 04:38.56 | flyback- | actually don't even need that |
| 04:39.02 | flyback- | you can replace the bios with a flash chip |
| 04:39.02 | Redhatter | The plan is to get a uClibc-based Gentoo userland going on it, and just use it to run minicom over SSH, and/or a cheap Xterm. |
| 04:39.13 | flyback- | yeah you could do this with this |
| 04:39.14 | flyback- | use |
| 04:39.16 | flyback- | net booting |
| 04:39.25 | flyback- | all you need is a isa card |
| 04:39.28 | flyback- | and a eprom |
| 04:39.31 | Redhatter | Yeah, the machine has an Intel EEPro10 card in it. |
| 04:39.44 | flyback- | actually it's very easy to make a eprom to eeprom adaptor you just need to preprogram it |
| 04:39.45 | flyback- | actually |
| 04:39.47 | Redhatter | This is the approach I've been using. |
| 04:39.50 | flyback- | that one I think has a flash interface |
| 04:39.52 | flyback- | built in |
| 04:40.08 | flyback- | I know people who use network cards as poor man's flash programmer |
| 04:40.15 | flyback- | myself included soon |
| 04:40.40 | Redhatter | Yeah, I've heard this one can flash ROMs onboard, never looked into what chips to get and how to do it though. |
| 04:40.50 | Redhatter | Etherboot from a floppy works... kinda. |
| 04:41.26 | flyback- | the chip |
| 04:41.37 | flyback- | is usually a old bios chip from a old pentium mb or newer :) |
| 04:41.47 | flyback- | probably need 29xxx or 39xxx series not the older 28xxx series |
| 04:41.55 | flyback- | because those need +12 to program |
| 04:42.01 | flyback- | I have piles of them |
| 04:42.09 | flyback- | I take them off dead mb's and dead cdrom/dvd/cdrw drives |
| 04:42.17 | flyback- | 64kb, 128kb, 256kb |
| 04:42.26 | Redhatter | Ahh okay... wasn't aware they used the same ICs |
| 04:42.31 | flyback- | usually yeah |
| 04:42.38 | flyback- | the really new mb's use intel's gay firmware hub thing |
| 04:42.42 | flyback- | and some use serial flash now |
| 04:42.50 | flyback- | but the older stuff is just standard flash chips |
| 04:43.11 | flyback- | probably all the older via socket 7 stuff that was unstable garbage |
| 04:43.24 | flyback- | also if you do embedded stuff |
| 04:43.28 | flyback- | like with 8 bit mcu's |
| 04:43.36 | flyback- | a 128kb flash chip is like candy to it |
| 04:43.42 | flyback- | more flash that it has addressing bits for ;) |
| 04:43.44 | flyback- | so I save them |
| 04:44.17 | flyback- | lemme find article |
| 04:44.24 | flyback- | oh yeah |
| 04:44.29 | flyback- | btw some intel 28xxx series flash |
| 04:44.40 | flyback- | could also program with just +5 volts instead of +12 |
| 04:44.48 | flyback- | it takes a lot longer but worth it to avoid needing 2 voltages |
| 04:44.53 | flyback- | +5 for run and +12 for program |
| 04:45.05 | Redhatter | I've got a dead 2xPPro motherboard here... (Asus P65UP5) |
| 04:45.20 | flyback- | I have 2 working ppro ones but they use smt flash |
| 04:45.21 | flyback- | tsop |
| 04:45.46 | flyback- | btw |
| 04:45.52 | flyback- | if your mb supports a bigger bios chip |
| 04:45.58 | flyback- | you can take the old code from the old chip |
| 04:46.01 | flyback- | flash it to a bigger chip |
| 04:46.05 | flyback- | and add options as a module |
| 04:46.10 | flyback- | like etherboot or memtest86+ :) |
| 04:46.24 | flyback- | I might do that for some stuff but probably just use a old nic |
| 04:46.24 | flyback- | easier |
| 04:46.34 | Redhatter | Sounds like an idea... not sure where to get a replacement BIOS for this motherboard though... it's ancient. |
| 04:46.47 | flyback- | http://www.dansdata.com/images/io004/biosout500.jpg |
| 04:46.57 | flyback- | well you just need to find out what chips that chipset supported |
| 04:46.59 | Redhatter | Okay, this BIOS chip is: SST 29EE010 |
| 04:47.03 | flyback- | and how many address lines hooked up |
| 04:47.07 | flyback- | SST was realy popular |
| 04:47.08 | flyback- | good stuff |
| 04:47.15 | flyback- | that is a +5 volt only nor flash |
| 04:47.18 | flyback- | 128kb big |
| 04:47.26 | Redhatter | Would that work on a EEpro10? |
| 04:47.29 | flyback- | btw nor flash looks like ram |
| 04:47.31 | flyback- | for reading |
| 04:47.33 | flyback- | :) |
| 04:47.37 | flyback- | so you can direct boot off it with a cpu |
| 04:47.44 | flyback- | which is why they use it for bios :) |
| 04:47.45 | flyback- | lemme check |
| 04:47.48 | Redhatter | Ahh okay... no need to copy it to RAM |
| 04:47.53 | flyback- | well they still do |
| 04:47.57 | flyback- | cause it's only 8 bit |
| 04:48.01 | flyback- | which is slow for a modern 32 bit cpu |
| 04:48.12 | flyback- | but you could direct exec |
| 04:48.18 | Redhatter | Hmmm, yeah. That would be a limitation. |
| 04:48.24 | flyback- | get uniflash it's a dos flash program |
| 04:48.32 | flyback- | does many bios's and some nics |
| 04:48.41 | flyback- | it gives you a good clue to what supports what |
| 04:49.08 | flyback- | checking about your nic |
| 04:49.09 | flyback- | hang on |
| 04:49.12 | flyback- | btw |
| 04:49.20 | flyback- | if y ou have a old isa nic that only supports eprom |
| 04:49.28 | flyback- | you can take 2 sockets and put them together |
| 04:49.33 | flyback- | you clip the pins that are not the same lineup |
| 04:49.38 | flyback- | and reroute them with wires |
| 04:49.42 | flyback- | then you can use a flash chip in it's place |
| 04:49.50 | flyback- | the only catch is you have to program it outside of the nic |
| 04:49.51 | Redhatter | Ahh okay. |
| 04:49.55 | flyback- | but still beats having to use eprom |
| 04:50.02 | flyback- | which requires uv light to erase |
| 04:50.06 | flyback- | and high voltages +28 etc |
| 04:50.08 | flyback- | pain in the ass |
| 04:50.58 | flyback- | I need more realtek 8129 isa nics |
| 04:51.10 | flyback- | they are ne2000 compatible which is the lowest performaing nic chip |
| 04:51.11 | Redhatter | Hmmm... found another flash chip: P28F001 (not sure if that's the right code or not) |
| 04:51.14 | flyback- | the cpu ends up going a lot of work |
| 04:51.19 | flyback- | *BUT* |
| 04:51.22 | flyback- | they support 8 bit mode |
| 04:51.29 | flyback- | so you can basically take a 8 bit micronctoreller |
| 04:51.33 | flyback- | and solder wires to the isa nic |
| 04:51.36 | flyback- | and get on the net |
| 04:51.50 | flyback- | that is a 128KB flash also |
| 04:51.52 | Redhatter | Yeah, I've got a few NE2000-compatible cards around here... Realtek 8029 or something. |
| 04:51.59 | flyback- | but since it's 28 series it needs +12 to program |
| 04:52.14 | flyback- | a isa nic might have the +12 neede3d |
| 04:52.18 | flyback- | but I doubt pci ones will |
| 04:52.32 | flyback- | save those |
| 04:52.37 | flyback- | they have use outside of pc's |
| 04:52.42 | flyback- | like for arm powered projects etc |
| 04:52.44 | Redhatter | Hmm, most of our PCI NICs are Intel Pro/100 cards with onboard PXE bootroms. |
| 04:52.58 | flyback- | yeah newer ones have stuff that doesn't need roms anymore |
| 04:53.09 | flyback- | btw intel is the best for nics |
| 04:53.11 | flyback- | only thing they do the best |
| 04:53.22 | Redhatter | Indeed :-) |
| 04:54.03 | flyback- | I had to put in a 10/100 intel because the nvidia nFARCE 3 and 4 have a canucked gige nic that randomly stops |
| 04:54.09 | flyback- | also their sata controller is canucked too |
| 04:54.20 | flyback- | nvidia knows this because in nf5 and up they bought up a sata and nic maker |
| 04:54.24 | flyback- | and swapped out their own silicon |
| 04:54.40 | flyback- | btw |
| 04:54.40 | flyback- | http://picnic.sourceforge.net/more_photos.html |
| 04:54.57 | flyback- | isa is nice cause you can just about just solder wires right to the bus |
| 04:55.13 | flyback- | might need some 74 logic buffer chips |
| 04:55.16 | flyback- | but OMG 20 cents the horror! |
| 04:55.17 | flyback- | ;) |
| 04:55.53 | flyback- | also another nice thing about the realtek 8029 10mbit isa nic chip |
| 04:55.58 | flyback- | it only needs +5 to run |
| 04:56.01 | flyback- | no -5 +12 or -12 |
| 04:56.32 | flyback- | damn having a hard time finding info on that nic you have |
| 04:56.35 | flyback- | but it's out there |
| 04:57.12 | flyback- | you sure it's called the eepro10? |
| 04:57.35 | flyback- | I guess google is just getting worse |
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| 04:59.33 | flyback- | TimRiker might be a good guy to talk about this with |
| 04:59.56 | flyback- | here is what I was talking about if your device doesn't support eeprom directely |
| 05:00.01 | flyback- | I actually came up with one totally on my own |
| 05:00.06 | flyback- | then found out others had done it |
| 05:00.08 | flyback- | I felt good :) |
| 05:00.08 | flyback- | http://www.shout.net/~rieslabs/EpromAdapter.htm |
| 05:00.35 | flyback- | http://www.shout.net/~rieslabs/adapter2.jpg |
| 05:01.28 | flyback- | btw if you have little square chips instead of dip chips u can get sockets for them |
| 05:01.30 | flyback- | they are called plcc |
| 05:03.10 | Redhatter | Well, the card uses the "eepro10" module in Linux. EtherExpress PRO/10 is the official name. |
| 05:03.31 | Redhatter | UM61: is that a 256K SRAM chip or something? |
| 05:03.37 | flyback- | yeah |
| 05:03.45 | flyback- | like 6164256 |
| 05:03.47 | flyback- | something liek that? |
| 05:04.03 | flyback- | it's probably the tag sram |
| 05:04.17 | flyback- | the tag stores the address # the actualy srams are caching |
| 05:04.22 | Redhatter | UM61 256K-15 9527G N51130 are the codes on it. |
| 05:04.36 | Redhatter | Probably, it was pulled off near a slot for cache. |
| 05:05.23 | flyback- | those are nice for embedded projects also |
| 05:05.25 | flyback- | I have a large bag |
| 05:05.39 | flyback- | here again |
| 05:05.39 | flyback- | http://symlink.dk/nostalgia/c64/rom/romdump.jpg |
| 05:05.47 | flyback- | basically you get the docs for the origional eprom |
| 05:05.53 | flyback- | and the docs for the eeprom/flash you want to use |
| 05:06.03 | flyback- | and you make a adaptor to rearrange the pins that don't match |
| 05:06.14 | flyback- | the ones that do match you can just direct pin thru |
| 05:06.58 | flyback- | ah |
| 05:07.01 | flyback- | thx for the full name |
| 05:07.05 | flyback- | got intel's docs link |
| 05:07.15 | flyback- | http://support.intel.com/support/etherexpress/pro10/ |
| 05:07.17 | flyback- | oo |
| 05:07.22 | flyback- | some of the isa ones can use flash and program it :) |
| 05:08.48 | Redhatter | Yeah, I figure the DOS utilities should be able to flash the IC. |
| 05:08.59 | flyback- | there are linux utils for some of the intel nic flash interfaces |
| 05:09.04 | flyback- | but not looked into those much yet |
| 05:09.08 | flyback- | I got sick around that time |
| 05:13.29 | flyback- | btw |
| 05:13.40 | flyback- | buy yourself a pair of flat nose needle nose pliers |
| 05:13.44 | flyback- | best $10 I ever spent |
| 05:13.50 | flyback- | for straighting dip pins and ide pins |
| 05:13.53 | flyback- | they are gold |
| 05:13.57 | flyback- | pins go like butter :) |
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| 05:15.12 | flyback- | here |
| 05:15.12 | flyback- | http://support.intel.com/support/network/sb/cs-013349.htm |
| 05:15.23 | flyback- | jkust gotta find what chip #'s it will take |
| 05:21.43 | flyback- | Redhatter |
| 05:21.55 | flyback- | check about uniflash and etherexpress 10 in google etc |
| 05:22.00 | flyback- | might give you some clues to what chips work |
| 05:22.01 | flyback- | or just try some |
| 05:23.31 | flyback- | wow |
| 05:23.37 | flyback- | uniflash supports a lot more now |
| 05:23.40 | flyback- | thx Redhatter |
| 05:23.47 | flyback- | I am heading to bed but I might come back on irc |
| 05:33.25 | Redhatter | Ahh okay, thanks :-) |
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| 05:52.31 | flyback- | yeah so I save rom bios chips |
| 05:52.37 | flyback- | even bios grade chips |
| 05:52.45 | flyback- | probably have a few 100 cycles before they dier |
| 05:52.54 | flyback- | writes that is |
| 05:52.58 | flyback- | reads can last for decades |
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