| 00:14.20 | wmat | demigod2k: hello |
| 00:14.37 | demigod2k | finally somebody in here :) I must come at the wrong hours normally |
| 00:15.18 | wmat | nah, many are here, you just have to post a question ;) |
| 00:15.39 | demigod2k | oh no questions. everything is actually coming along nicely -- just looking to BS a little bit |
| 00:15.57 | demigod2k | I got reassigned at work so now I do linux |
| 00:16.04 | wmat | congrats |
| 00:16.39 | demigod2k | ya sort of. it takes some getting used to |
| 00:16.43 | wmat | do linux what? |
| 00:17.02 | demigod2k | for now uboot and kernel drivers |
| 00:17.09 | wmat | cool |
| 00:17.14 | demigod2k | its a steep learning curve but it'll be ok |
| 00:17.16 | wmat | where ya working? |
| 00:17.25 | demigod2k | auto industry |
| 00:17.57 | wmat | excellent |
| 00:19.13 | wmat | the learning curve may be steep, but it's fun |
| 00:19.52 | demigod2k | its working ok so far. its no worse than other stuff |
| 00:20.27 | wmat | true enough |
| 00:20.27 | wmat | contributing changes back? |
| 00:21.21 | demigod2k | ya we'll see. I had to add 24 bit color to uboot, mmc support, etc |
| 00:21.27 | demigod2k | I was surprised that stuff wasn't there to begin with! |
| 00:22.23 | demigod2k | trying to get started on a sound driver tonight. thats where the first steep learning curve is |
| 00:23.15 | wmat | demigod2k: lobby to contribute code back; i'm assuming your employer would determine this |
| 00:23.32 | demigod2k | I can do it all fine. Its just a pain |
| 00:24.04 | demigod2k | I already got one complaint fired back about uboot since I had a diff to 1.1.5 instead of to the subversion trunk |
| 00:24.32 | wmat | a common complaint |
| 00:24.46 | demigod2k | ya. its basically impossible to keep up with the unstable trunk and do real work |
| 00:24.46 | demigod2k | so |
| 00:25.06 | wmat | most devs want patches against current |
| 00:25.08 | demigod2k | if I get some time then maybe I'll port it forward when they do another stable release |
| 00:25.32 | wmat | it's in your employers best interest to maintian a current tree though as well |
| 00:25.43 | demigod2k | well I dont know that I'd agree there :) |
| 00:27.01 | demigod2k | the latest and greatest is just additional risk. solid and stable is right for embedded targets |
| 00:27.31 | wmat | you don't use the latest and greatest in production targets though |
| 00:27.32 | demigod2k | but we'll see. we got screwed on the last processor so maybe this at91 will do a little better |
| 00:27.48 | wmat | you just port forward as you go and send back patches |
| 00:28.15 | demigod2k | we never ported the last one forward |
| 00:29.02 | wmat | perhaps someone else would have |
| 00:29.04 | demigod2k | but that was the lineo which was sort of an abortion |
| 00:29.17 | wmat | and then you wouldn't have to |
| 00:29.23 | demigod2k | maybe the 2.6 I'll try to stick with the mainline a little more. |
| 00:30.39 | demigod2k | but it was nice having a stable frozen point in time instead of trying to debug somebody else's scheduler, etc |
| 00:31.25 | demigod2k | so are you a hobbyist or is it a career for you |
| 00:32.32 | wmat | hobbyist at present but i'm working on changing that ;) |
| 00:34.12 | wmat | although i guess i do some as work, but not coding |
| 00:34.28 | wmat | i'm editor for the elinux.org wiki |
| 00:34.46 | demigod2k | never really seen it |
| 00:34.59 | wmat | elinux.org |
| 00:35.20 | wmat | we're working to make it the defacto resource for embedded linux |
| 00:36.16 | demigod2k | thats cool I'll flip through it at some point |
| 00:36.31 | wmat | great |
| 00:36.37 | wmat | hope you find something useful |
| 00:36.52 | demigod2k | I just msged you the product I design |
| 00:36.53 | Crofton | heh, I should add #oe to irc channels .. |
| 00:37.23 | wmat | definitely |
| 00:39.07 | Crofton | the problem being, what is OE? |
| 00:41.17 | wmat | development tool? environment? |
| 00:41.43 | demigod2k | looks like buildroot but smaller |
| 00:41.52 | Crofton | heh |
| 00:41.56 | Crofton | not smaller |
| 00:42.48 | wmat | wait, i have OE there |
| 00:43.16 | demigod2k | I meant in terms of footprint |
| 00:43.44 | wmat | demigod2k: you msg'd me your product? |
| 00:43.55 | demigod2k | oh maybe i wasnt registered. one sec |
| 00:44.34 | demigod2k | ok now that may work better |
| 00:44.41 | Crofton | I posted it, others may correct me |
| 00:44.52 | Crofton | we need to work on the OE one line description :) |
| 00:45.25 | demigod2k | "buildroot, but different. and smaller." |
| 00:45.26 | demigod2k | hah |
| 00:45.40 | Crofton | probably not smaller :) |
| 00:46.05 | demigod2k | could be. buildroot uses that busybox which sort of works like crap |
| 00:46.52 | demigod2k | if oe doesn't use uclibc and busybox it might be bigger. but the description makes it look like they have a hacked-together micro version of everything |
| 00:47.40 | Crofton | oe can build images with bb and uclibc :) |
| 00:48.24 | Crofton | but does not have to |
| 00:48.24 | Crofton | it is kind of like a swiss army knife |
| 00:48.40 | demigod2k | hah. never tried it but that reminds of the phrase. jack of all trades (and master of none) |
| 00:54.40 | Crofton | well, I think it is good at mastering the problem |
| 00:54.56 | demigod2k | hehe |
| 00:54.58 | Crofton | this is why I do not like the swiss knife analogy |
| 00:55.22 | demigod2k | ya I've never looked at it or heard of it -- I just am skeptical when I hear things described as a swiss army knife |
| 00:55.28 | demigod2k | usually means it does no one thing very well |
| 00:55.32 | demigod2k | except maybe injure you |
| 00:55.37 | Crofton | heh |
| 00:55.38 | Crofton | yeah |
| 00:56.01 | Crofton | this is why we need to work on a good lone line description |
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| 07:22.01 | likewise | gm |
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| 15:34.04 | TimRiker | wmat: does Lars mean he's changed the current server? or setup the new one that is not yet live? |
| 15:42.40 | wmat | TimRiker: I think he means he's configured the current server |
| 15:43.06 | wmat | TimRiker: did Lars reply to you? |
| 15:45.50 | TimRiker | yes. just forwarded to you. I expected he'd reply to us both. perhaps he meant to. |
| 15:47.01 | TimRiker | should we try dns changes again? |
| 15:47.54 | wmat | sure |
| 15:48.05 | wmat | and he tends to not hit reply all, not sure why |
| 15:51.24 | TimRiker | ~nslookup elinux.org |
| 15:51.50 | TimRiker | nope. still broken. |
| 15:52.00 | TimRiker | try http://eLinux.org/ now. |
| 15:53.02 | TimRiker | reverting... |
| 15:54.03 | TimRiker | ~nslookup elinux.org |
| 15:56.16 | TimRiker | hmm. perhaps he means that the new server is setup on 194.100.76.66 ? |
| 15:56.36 | TimRiker | are all the wiki changes from 194.100.76.5 over on 194.100.76.66 now? |
| 15:57.26 | wmat | i'm not certain, but i assume so |
| 15:58.41 | wmat | i have not been given any ssh access anywhere yet though |
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| 15:59.11 | TimRiker | nslookup embeddedlinux.movial.fi |
| 15:59.15 | TimRiker | ~nslookup embeddedlinux.movial.fi |
| 15:59.34 | TimRiker | that's the old one. I'm trying the new IP in dns now... |
| 16:00.17 | TimRiker | ~nslookup wiki.elinux.org |
| 16:00.40 | TimRiker | that one does not work either. |
| 16:00.52 | TimRiker | well, for me, but I'm using a proxy. can you check it? |
| 16:02.39 | TimRiker | 404 error on the Main_Page |
| 16:03.53 | wmat | 404 here too |
| 16:04.15 | wmat | elinux.org works though |
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| 16:04.37 | TimRiker | ok. reverted. I left http://wiki.elinux.org/ pointing to the 194.100.76.66 |
| 16:04.55 | TimRiker | elinux.org did not work here. did you get the redirect page? that's from my box. |
| 16:05.34 | wmat | ah, so Lars hasn't changed over to the new box then |
| 16:06.01 | TimRiker | looks like the new box is up, but mediawiki is not configured correctly on it. |
| 16:06.09 | wmat | figures :/ |
| 16:06.18 | cidus | hi to all |
| 16:06.20 | cidus | I'm installed debian on arm platform, but when i lunch for exmple |
| 16:06.28 | TimRiker | sending an email to lars and you with a summary. |
| 16:06.39 | cidus | tuch /tmp/1 |
| 16:06.39 | wmat | TimRiker: thanks again |
| 16:06.56 | cidus | return error |
| 16:06.59 | cidus | touch: setting times of `/tmp/2': Bad file descriptor |
| 16:07.14 | cidus | what can be ? |
| 16:08.25 | CosmicPenguin | file??? |
| 16:08.40 | CosmicPenguin | Haven't heard from you in ages |
| 16:09.35 | file | I'm around... |
| 16:09.37 | file | I'm always around |
| 16:09.47 | file | just say my name, and boom I'm there |
| 16:10.11 | CosmicPenguin | I say your name in meatspace all the time... $%*#& file is corrupted! |
| 16:11.14 | wmat | cidus: is there a file called /tmp/2? |
| 16:11.26 | cidus | an empty file |
| 16:12.42 | wmat | and touch is installed? |
| 16:12.49 | cidus | yes |
| 16:13.01 | cidus | also tar if I try to decompress a file, for example |
| 16:13.24 | cidus | tar zxvf /root/p.tar.gz |
| 16:13.51 | cidus | tar: .profile: Cannot utime: Bad file descriptor |
| 16:13.55 | TimRiker | wmat: sent. |
| 16:14.30 | cidus | .profile is a file i put into tar.gz |
| 16:14.54 | TimRiker | cidus: what is mounted on /tmp ? (or on /) |
| 16:15.33 | TimRiker | can you touch files somewhere else on the machine? |
| 16:15.37 | wmat | TimRiker: got it, thanks again |
| 16:15.45 | TimRiker | wmat: np |
| 16:15.56 | cidus | i mount rootfs on nfs |
| 16:16.38 | TimRiker | cidus: ahh. do you have no_root_squash set on the export? |
| 16:16.55 | cidus | no is set correctly |
| 16:17.14 | wmat | cidus: same error as root? |
| 16:17.16 | TimRiker | can you touch files elsewhere in the filesystem, just not in tmp? |
| 16:17.23 | cidus | in exports |
| 16:17.26 | cidus | etch-arm 192.168.64.0/24(async,rw,no_root_squash) |
| 16:17.59 | TimRiker | got portmap and lockd running on the arm box? or mounted root with -o nolock ? |
| 16:18.56 | cidus | if i'm root is the same |
| 16:19.21 | TimRiker | still wants to check name maps iirc. |
| 16:19.36 | cidus | if tuch /1 is the same |
| 16:19.46 | TimRiker | can you touch files anywhere? |
| 16:19.54 | cidus | yes |
| 16:20.08 | TimRiker | can you update a file in that dir on the server and see the change on the client? |
| 16:20.14 | TimRiker | you may have a stale mount. |
| 16:20.44 | TimRiker | where can you touch files? is that place also over nfs? |
| 16:20.55 | cidus | over nfs |
| 16:21.53 | TimRiker | I mean can the device change files anywhere in etch-arm and/or does it see changes in that mount if you change them from another box. |
| 16:26.08 | cidus | no if i update the file from another box not change on device |
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| 16:35.05 | TimRiker | cidus: so your nfs mount is stale. perhaps your ip changed on the device or some other loss of connectivity. All you are seeing is data from the nfs cache. |
| 16:36.06 | TimRiker | check your IP settings. and perhaps try something like: "mount -o remount,nolock,soft /" on the device. |
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| 16:49.58 | cidus | i check the IP and is correctly |
| 16:50.14 | cidus | i test "mount -o remount,nolock,soft /" |
| 16:50.19 | cidus | but is the same |
| 16:50.47 | cidus | i think the problem is in utime but i'm not sure |
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| 17:31.08 | cidus | thanks to all see you tomorrow bye |
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| 21:47.55 | shawn_work | ping? |
| 21:48.00 | shawn_work | Anyone have problems building today's buildroot? |
| 21:48.04 | shawn_work | I keep getting an error |
| 21:48.16 | shawn_work | cp -f /root/work/sandbox/spstarr/buildroot/toolchain_build_x86_64/uClibc/.config |
| 21:48.16 | shawn_work | cp: missing destination file operand after `/root/work/sandbox/spstarr/buildroot/toolchain_build_x86_64/uClibc/.config' |
| 21:48.16 | shawn_work | T |
| 21:48.22 | shawn_work | and i dont know why its not finding the file to copy |
| 21:48.29 | shawn_work | I'm building this on Fedora 7 |
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