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| 12:08.54 | Tom_Sender | good afternoon everyone\ |
| 12:09.45 | Tom_Sender | anyone available to give some advice? |
| 12:11.18 | youam | wear sunscreen! |
| 12:11.23 | Tom_Sender | lol |
| 12:11.35 | Tom_Sender | and on a serious note? |
| 12:11.47 | youam | no, really! |
| 12:12.38 | youam | hint: if you don't ask, we can't answer |
| 12:12.46 | Tom_Sender | well... |
| 12:13.20 | Tom_Sender | i have an xscale arm big-endian board...and i need to install an embedded linux operating system on it.. |
| 12:13.39 | Tom_Sender | how would you approach such a task? |
| 12:14.51 | youam | replacing an existing firmware? single board or for production? |
| 12:15.05 | Tom_Sender | i have lots of experience with linux and programming...but the embedded linux hurdle i havent crossed yet.. |
| 12:15.33 | Tom_Sender | for arguements sake...the board is blank....solely hardware... |
| 12:16.04 | Tom_Sender | its for a prototype....if that goes well we'll go into production |
| 12:16.54 | youam | have you looked at buildroot yet? |
| 12:17.13 | Tom_Sender | nope...can you elaborate? |
| 12:17.18 | youam | http://buildroot.uclibc.org/ |
| 12:17.41 | youam | should give you most of what you need |
| 12:17.57 | Tom_Sender | found at as you typoed it... :) |
| 12:18.10 | Tom_Sender | its a cross platform tool chain as i understand.. |
| 12:19.01 | youam | yes |
| 12:19.14 | youam | plus additional packages |
| 12:19.33 | Tom_Sender | a dumb question if you dont mind... |
| 12:19.53 | Crofton_|laptop | www.openembedded.org :) |
| 12:20.01 | Tom_Sender | after compiling and making the image...how do i load it onto the board when there is no operating system on it.. |
| 12:20.13 | Tom_Sender | JTAG is the only option?> |
| 12:20.16 | Crofton_|laptop | bootloader? |
| 12:20.29 | Crofton_|laptop | what board? |
| 12:21.55 | Tom_Sender | its a custom board we are developing here....its blank at the moment...meaning solely hardwre.. |
| 12:22.13 | Crofton_|laptop | jtag :) |
| 12:23.24 | Tom_Sender | figured... |
| 12:25.41 | Tom_Sender | any recommendation on a linux distribution best suited for such a board? |
| 12:28.09 | Crofton_|laptop | more a question of what build system to use |
| 12:28.19 | Crofton_|laptop | build root is good for some people |
| 12:28.26 | Crofton_|laptop | openemebedded better for others |
| 12:28.33 | Tom_Sender | well...ill give you more details.. |
| 12:28.40 | Crofton_|laptop | build root is easier to get started with |
| 12:28.54 | Crofton_|laptop | OE is more flexible if you change hw |
| 12:29.16 | Tom_Sender | we are developing a wifi access point which holds 4 miniPCI 802.11 modules.. |
| 12:29.55 | Crofton_|laptop | like I said, it is not a questions of debian/fedora/ubuntu |
| 12:30.13 | Crofton_|laptop | rather a you need a system that can build a file system image to flash |
| 12:30.35 | Tom_Sender | so ...if i understadn you correctly...it doesnt really matter which dist. i use...what matters is how iu build the image (what build system...) |
| 12:31.08 | Crofton_|laptop | exactly |
| 12:31.21 | Crofton_|laptop | I use OE |
| 12:31.30 | Crofton_|laptop | many of the guys in this channel use build root |
| 12:31.47 | Tom_Sender | ok...and what are the main differences...or main options to choose from....excuse the dumb questions...im kinda new to embedded.. |
| 12:32.09 | Crofton_|laptop | np |
| 12:32.33 | Crofton_|laptop | build root is easier to get started with |
| 12:33.02 | Crofton_|laptop | OE has more package definitions, but is "hard" to understand at first |
| 12:33.07 | Tom_Sender | but obviously less powerful...as easier things tend to be |
| 12:33.26 | Crofton_|laptop | some people would say that :) |
| 12:33.39 | Crofton_|laptop | It is kind of like a distro war :) |
| 12:33.51 | Tom_Sender | ill be swiss then... |
| 12:33.59 | Crofton_|laptop | heh |
| 12:34.22 | Tom_Sender | i already am in the middle of a war here in israel....opening another front now would be too much for me |
| 12:34.28 | Crofton_|laptop | yeah |
| 12:34.57 | Crofton_|laptop | the two sides coexist here |
| 12:35.15 | Crofton_|laptop | I'd look over the links |
| 12:35.25 | Tom_Sender | i am....reading while talking to you |
| 12:35.37 | Crofton_|laptop | OE you just have to dive in |
| 12:35.58 | Crofton_|laptop | It would be easier for you if there was already a machine file |
| 12:36.10 | Tom_Sender | well...i think ill read both....give both a try and a dry run....and then decide |
| 12:36.17 | Crofton_|laptop | yeah |
| 12:36.20 | Tom_Sender | machine file? |
| 12:36.27 | Tom_Sender | bootloader you mean? |
| 12:36.48 | Crofton_|laptop | no, a machine file in OE defines the kernel and other bits specific to the hardware |
| 12:37.01 | Crofton_|laptop | so you can retarget just be changin machine file |
| 12:37.08 | Crofton_|laptop | theoretically :) |
| 12:37.33 | Tom_Sender | a bunch of 1s and 0s defining my hardware setup at a certain order? |
| 12:37.40 | Crofton_|laptop | no |
| 12:37.56 | Tom_Sender | ahh...bits as in pieces... |
| 12:37.58 | Tom_Sender | lol |
| 12:38.03 | Crofton_|laptop | yeah |
| 12:38.18 | Crofton_|laptop | when you get it on your machine I can walk you through some bits |
| 12:38.24 | Tom_Sender | well...i got a lotta reading to do... |
| 12:38.27 | Crofton_|laptop | the irc channel is pretty good |
| 12:38.48 | Tom_Sender | ill be around....though leaving for a quick smoke now.. |
| 12:38.55 | Crofton_|laptop | yikes |
| 12:39.01 | Tom_Sender | see ya in 10... |
| 12:39.02 | Crofton_|laptop | too much smoking over there now :( |
| 12:52.11 | Tom_Sender | true...but i have to breath it in for it to take effect |
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| 13:47.38 | ade|desk | can anyone recommend a simple arm board with composite video output ? |
| 13:57.23 | cougarvt | ade|desk: do you care what kind of arm? |
| 13:57.36 | cougarvt | ade|desk: budget? |
| 13:57.57 | cougarvt | the gp2x does ($180 + $50 for the break out board) |
| 14:01.39 | ade|desk | ooh looks groovy |
| 14:02.10 | cougarvt | there are better ones for corp embedded development but can't find them in my links |
| 14:02.17 | ade|desk | seems a shame to through the ts and lcd away |
| 14:02.31 | cougarvt | yeah - i agree |
| 14:21.18 | cougarvt | not arm but pretty neat - http://www.xgamestation.com/view_product.php?id=12 |
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