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| 12:42.55 | T0mW | my ZipIt should be here Monday |
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| 12:46.35 | T0mW | ls |
| 12:46.40 | T0mW | doh |
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| 14:39.45 | prpplague | dijenerate: ping |
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| 14:56.38 | chouimat | morning |
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| 15:04.06 | prpplague | chouimat: lo |
| 15:13.51 | T0mW | prpplague: I've found a way to lower the price of SCOX |
| 15:14.14 | prpplague | T0mW: oh do tell |
| 15:14.32 | T0mW | prpplague: all I'd have to do is buy 100 shares of it and it is guarenteed to go lower |
| 15:14.42 | T0mW | :/ |
| 15:14.57 | prpplague | HA |
| 15:15.27 | T0mW | prpplague: sort of like the TV show effect, I find something I like to watch and it goes off the air |
| 15:15.51 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe |
| 15:16.08 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, if i like a tv show its absolutely gurranted to be cancelled |
| 15:16.19 | T0mW | nod |
| 15:16.31 | prpplague | T0mW: dead like me, carnival, farscape |
| 15:17.01 | T0mW | prpplague: face it, we are no longer in the TV Prime Viewer age group of 7..15 years old |
| 15:17.28 | T0mW | the movers & shakers of the TV world |
| 15:18.11 | prpplague | T0mW: yea well, it just goes to the point that hollywood is having a completely meltdown because they can't figure out why so many men have stopped watching tv and going to the movies |
| 15:18.26 | T0mW | HA! |
| 15:19.04 | prpplague | T0mW: with crap on like "wife swamp", "nanny 911", "dancing with the stars", "the bachelor" and "the bachelorette" |
| 15:19.15 | T0mW | There is absolutely nothing that interests me on TV anymore. The only thing I watch is: Antiques Roadshow, Stargate Atlantis, and some old movies |
| 15:19.42 | prpplague | T0mW: yea the only thing i watch these days is from the bbc |
| 15:19.50 | T0mW | Oh, and some History Channel, but that is getting to be tons of commercials per hour. |
| 15:19.54 | prpplague | T0mW: we watched the 2005 season of dr.who and loved it |
| 15:19.59 | prpplague | T0mW: it was awesome |
| 15:20.01 | T0mW | :) |
| 15:20.22 | prpplague | T0mW: its suppose to be arriring on sci-fi this summer |
| 15:20.49 | T0mW | Well, I've got to figure out my finances and then go do some clothes shopping today. |
| 15:21.02 | T0mW | time to get away from this code for a while |
| 15:21.38 | prpplague | okie dokie |
| 15:22.52 | prpplague | T0mW: http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=2&id=34141 |
| 15:23.55 | T0mW | the local PBS station used to run Dr Who |
| 15:30.13 | prpplague | T0mW: yea |
| 15:30.26 | prpplague | T0mW: i was really impressed with this new series |
| 15:30.35 | T0mW | prpplague: so, what are you working on lately? |
| 15:30.54 | prpplague | T0mW: a subdermal hemotoma |
| 15:31.00 | T0mW | lol |
| 15:31.17 | prpplague | T0mW: with a side order of nervous break down |
| 15:31.30 | T0mW | I usually get one of those after getting a blood test. |
| 15:31.53 | prpplague | T0mW: i've got too many problems in my plate for the last few weeks |
| 15:32.16 | T0mW | it seems that only recovering alcoholics are the only nurses doing the blood tests, their hands shake too much to hit the vein. |
| 15:32.42 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:33.30 | T0mW | I went for a test 6 months ago and the nurse's hands were shaking so badly I was fearful. Fortunately, one of the other nurses saw this and took over for her. |
| 15:34.34 | T0mW | prpplague: well, I do have to finish the software for this project, finish the freakin' project, sheesh. I keep finding more stuff that I forgot to put in there. |
| 15:35.21 | T0mW | prpplague: I've got an inter processor communications link that is giving random data errors. Got to fix that. |
| 15:37.45 | prpplague | T0mW: btdt |
| 15:38.41 | T0mW | prpplague: just how do you get data errors on 3inches of wire is beyond me. |
| 15:39.35 | T0mW | prpplague: so, the solution of course is to throw that code away and write something new. heh |
| 15:45.46 | prpplague | cbrake: hey hey |
| 15:46.53 | T0mW | getting near time for more drives: |
| 15:46.55 | T0mW | /dev/mapper/VGVideoPile-VideoLVM |
| 15:46.55 | T0mW | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:47.12 | T0mW | or another box |
| 15:47.56 | prpplague | T0mW: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0006Q93F6/qid=1140190442/sr=11-1/ref=sr_11_1/002-3262543-0400022?n=130 |
| 15:48.02 | prpplague | T0mW: you might like that |
| 15:49.09 | T0mW | naw |
| 15:49.36 | T0mW | prpplague: ZipIt will be here Monday! So, I have to finish this project by then! |
| 15:49.54 | prpplague | T0mW: well hop to it |
| 15:51.01 | T0mW | prpplague: oh, those 20 webpals I got? I got the bill for them, they cost me $6.35 each |
| 15:51.05 | T0mW | heh |
| 15:57.42 | prpplague | T0mW: uh |
| 15:57.50 | prpplague | T0mW: i thought you said they gave them to you? |
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| 16:04.35 | CosmicPenguin | Morning |
| 16:05.30 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: if you say so |
| 16:07.26 | prpplague | brb |
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| 16:09.10 | T0mW | prpplague: yeah, but I had to pay shipping |
| 16:09.17 | prpplague | ahh |
| 16:10.17 | T0mW | all of them have 33.6 modems in them. heh, not much use for ISA 33.6 modems, but they are in there. they stripped all the IR keyboards out of the boxes though, not a big deal. |
| 16:10.37 | T0mW | guess the keyboards are more valuable |
| 16:12.34 | prpplague | yea |
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| 16:24.23 | dijenerate | prpplague: hey what's up? |
| 16:24.58 | prpplague | dijenerate: nada, just seeing if you were alive, hehe |
| 16:25.21 | dijenerate | prpplague: barely, I need a vacation so badly |
| 16:25.50 | prpplague | dijenerate: hehe |
| 16:25.52 | dijenerate | hey what do you guys think about that OSX86 shutdown by Jobs and Co.? |
| 16:26.00 | prpplague | dijenerate: i'm headed to the states next month |
| 16:26.28 | dijenerate | prpplague: cool, bring me back some proper beer...lol |
| 16:27.04 | dijenerate | prpplague: good luck with the VISA issue |
| 16:27.16 | dijenerate | prpplague: hope everything works out |
| 16:27.19 | prpplague | dijenerate: yea thanks |
| 16:27.52 | dijenerate | you guys, it's like Apple is Sharp with the Zaurus project... |
| 16:28.15 | prpplague | dijenerate: ? |
| 16:28.31 | dijenerate | they expolit the Open source community then turn tail and try to make all the work theirs |
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| 16:29.17 | dijenerate | Sharp had the Opensource effort going to get the Zaurus where it is, then when it's what they wanted they pulled the plug |
| 16:30.15 | dijenerate | but thank goodness for the brain embodied in our own kergoth... the Opensource community fought back with OpenZ |
| 16:30.22 | dijenerate | then OpenEmbedded |
| 16:30.58 | dijenerate | OSX is Darwin Linux then Jobs shuts down a community sight for postings on how to run it on non apple hardware? |
| 16:31.04 | dijenerate | that's not right |
| 16:31.24 | prpplague | dijenerate: yea well whats even more funny, is that Sharp makes a who line of arm processors for handhelds, but their own handhelds don't use them |
| 16:32.15 | dijenerate | prpplague: how about Sharp was the first to integrate half the features we see in today's handhelds |
| 16:32.35 | dijenerate | prpplague: but their Zaurus line seriouly sucks now |
| 16:33.04 | dijenerate | I think it's just because it's all about the cash and nothing more for these cormporations |
| 16:33.18 | dijenerate | prpplague: like SUN and StarOffice |
| 16:33.46 | dijenerate | prpplague: they made it GPL, we made it better then they turned around and locked it back down |
| 16:33.54 | prpplague | its always about cash to a business |
| 16:33.55 | dijenerate | prpplague: how hard is it |
| 16:34.20 | dijenerate | prpplague: how difficult will it be to design opensource hardware? |
| 16:34.49 | dijenerate | like we create a reference design and get some company that isn't only about the cash to build it |
| 16:35.17 | dijenerate | so like OpenEmbedded and the OpenPDA to match it based on input from the entire community |
| 16:35.46 | dijenerate | prpplague: 'cause I'm sure we could all come together and build something better than even the uPCs |
| 16:36.02 | dijenerate | prpplague: blow away the corporate designers |
| 16:36.16 | CosmicPenguin | dijenerate: the problem isn't so much that the companies are all about the cash, its that cash is needed to bulid it |
| 16:37.38 | dijenerate | CosmicPenguin: but aren't their engineers and hardware designers who are members of this forum who could help us design it without actually building physical stuff |
| 16:38.08 | CosmicPenguin | dijenerate: there are people everywhere who can design the devices |
| 16:38.15 | dijenerate | CosmicPenguin: like CAD all the way but the hardware experts implement the shematics |
| 16:38.58 | dijenerate | CosmicPenguin: then using the GPL make a reference desigh so that any company can build it but does not own the rights to the design or its variations |
| 16:39.18 | CosmicPenguin | dijenerate: but that is easy - those designs exist today |
| 16:39.32 | dijenerate | CosmicPenguin: that way the competion between hardware vendors becomes possible to lead to perfection |
| 16:39.33 | CosmicPenguin | dijenerate: heck, we give away the schematics and gerbers to many of our reference designs |
| 16:39.39 | dijenerate | CosmicPenguin: they do? |
| 16:39.55 | dijenerate | CosmicPenguin but are they GPLed? |
| 16:40.05 | CosmicPenguin | dijenerate: what part of give away didn't you understand? |
| 16:40.08 | Wingnut | dijenerate: are you trying to create a PDA or a SBC? |
| 16:40.23 | Wingnut | CosmicPenguin: aren't most of the reference designs for SBCs tho? |
| 16:40.35 | CosmicPenguin | Thats not the point |
| 16:40.44 | CosmicPenguin | the point is that the hard part of device design isn't the design of the device |
| 16:40.51 | dijenerate | Wingnut: SBCs? explain... |
| 16:40.58 | Wingnut | sbc = single board computer |
| 16:41.07 | dijenerate | Wingnut: ok gotcha |
| 16:41.13 | Wingnut | the hard part of the design is routing the PCB PWB |
| 16:41.27 | Wingnut | s/PWB/\/ PWB. |
| 16:41.29 | Wingnut | s/PWB/\/ PWB/ |
| 16:41.57 | Wingnut | it's the signal integrity work that's the killer for lots of designs |
| 16:42.03 | prpplague | ohyea |
| 16:42.08 | CosmicPenguin | Its very expensive to build a production device - you need to negotiate for the parts, inventory them, arrange manufacturing, etc |
| 16:42.09 | dijenerate | Wingnut: I'm thinking more PDA, it's portable as is, no external terminal or Display required |
| 16:42.24 | prpplague | 95% of my bring up issues are related to noise |
| 16:42.47 | dijenerate | we are problem solvers here right? |
| 16:42.52 | Wingnut | dijenerate: indeed |
| 16:42.59 | CosmicPenguin | no - we're software engineers |
| 16:43.10 | dijenerate | so I say we detail the problems and get to work on solving them |
| 16:43.25 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:43.34 | CosmicPenguin | We cannot possibly think that we can "solve" the problem of manufacturing |
| 16:43.46 | dijenerate | it's not impossible (I don't knwo what thar word means anyway) |
| 16:43.59 | CosmicPenguin | Nobody in here even understands the problem, with the exception of T0mW |
| 16:44.05 | dijenerate | iit's difficult so let's work oin making it easier |
| 16:44.13 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, not me? |
| 16:45.12 | dijenerate | even it it means we go back to basics and design a simulation environment where we teach the software how |
| 16:45.29 | dijenerate | we simulate manufacturing processes |
| 16:45.37 | dijenerate | we research and write the code |
| 16:46.03 | prpplague | dijenerate: you'll find that most of the folks here are OSS advocates, but they are also pretty pragmatic about paying the bills |
| 16:47.37 | dijenerate | prpplague: that's understandable, I'm the same... but I have learnt one thing if nothing else since 2001 when I joind the OpenSource Community |
| 16:48.02 | dijenerate | prpplague: I can pay the bills much more effectively with a prettier resume |
| 16:48.26 | dijenerate | prpplague: not everyone is Torvalds, we can't do a transmeta |
| 16:48.59 | dijenerate | prpplague: but our individual experience levels count after we cause revolutions in the industry |
| 16:49.22 | dijenerate | prpplague: the more we can do the more we can get paid and the more effectively we can pay the bills |
| 16:49.48 | dijenerate | prpplague: plus we get to see our dream systems in existence which is the initial goal anyway |
| 16:49.59 | dijenerate | prpplague: looks like a win win to me, what do you guys say? |
| 16:50.32 | Wingnut | dijenerate: I'll help where I can |
| 16:51.09 | dijenerate | Wingnut: thank you |
| 16:51.18 | dijenerate | who else is with me? |
| 16:51.27 | CosmicPenguin | I say that you would spend a ton of time and money, and that you would get nowhere |
| 16:51.49 | Wingnut | I do that with most of my projects |
| 16:52.13 | dijenerate | CosmicPenguin: you sound like Thomas Edison's neighbor... his name was 'no electricity for a decade' |
| 16:52.16 | dijenerate | CosmicPenguin: lol |
| 16:53.23 | dijenerate | CosmicPenguin: it's just another OpenSource project except the end result is hardware |
| 16:54.16 | dijenerate | CosmicPenguin: no differenct from what we do now.... |
| 16:54.29 | prpplague | dijenerate: try joining #openhardware |
| 16:55.04 | dijenerate | prpplague: you mean someone is already doing this? |
| 16:55.07 | CosmicPenguin | dijenerate: except what we do now costs no money at all |
| 16:55.09 | dijenerate | prpplague: woohoo |
| 16:56.08 | dijenerate | CosmicPenguin: don't misunderstand, I'm speaking of developing the hardware as sim first all the way to the manufacturing process |
| 16:56.52 | dijenerate | CosmicPenguin: it's still code, and we can test our code on non PDA hardware until we the knwo the simulations are solid |
| 16:57.26 | dijenerate | CosmicPenguin: that way we have created a software method for design not just for initial design but for the manufacturing and testing |
| 16:58.03 | dijenerate | CosmicPenguin: we would be able to build anything and not spend money on a single piece of PCB until we want to make a unit |
| 16:58.34 | dijenerate | CosmicPenguin: btw, have you ever seen any inkjet printed PCBs? |
| 16:58.52 | dijenerate | CosmicPenguin: it's not that expensive anymore to build prototypes |
| 16:59.30 | dijenerate | CosmicPenguin: boards that are flexible and look like transparency film |
| 16:59.42 | dijenerate | CosmicPenguin: printed on your own desktop |
| 16:59.53 | dijenerate | the layers are connected by pins |
| 17:00.09 | CosmicPenguin | dijenerate: fine - then take your best shot at it |
| 17:00.14 | CosmicPenguin | Good luck |
| 17:00.39 | dijenerate | still can't build an LCD that way tho' lol |
| 17:00.45 | dijenerate | at least not yety |
| 17:00.57 | dijenerate | s/yeti/yet |
| 17:04.57 | dijenerate | anywayz yiou guys I have a business meeting in an hour so I must bid you all adieu |
| 17:05.33 | dijenerate | let's continue this convo later, everyone give som thought to it please as Wingnut has |
| 17:05.47 | dijenerate | I'll see you guys in a few hours |
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| 18:03.15 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i like about 98% of songs on that pandora channel |
| 18:05.30 | CosmicPenguin | Good |
| 18:05.32 | CosmicPenguin | its doing its job then |
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| 18:29.34 | CosmicPenguin | like how classses and devices interact |
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| 20:20.30 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: ping |
| 20:21.35 | sjhill | yessir |
| 20:28.18 | kergoth | meh |
| 20:29.46 | sjhill | lo' kergoth |
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