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| 07:18.26 | mbuf | if i were interested in assembly language programming, optimization techniques, performance algorithms for embedded systems, what would be my area of research? |
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| 09:18.05 | Russ | *sigh* |
| 09:18.07 | Russ | Buffer I/O error on device hda, logical block 0 |
| 09:18.15 | Russ | Model=WDC WD800JB-00JJC0 |
| 09:18.22 | Russ | damn western digital |
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| 13:02.09 | prpplague | morning folks |
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| 13:50.41 | ade|desk | lo prpplague |
| 13:50.48 | T0mW | morning |
| 13:51.05 | prpplague | ade|desk: hey hey |
| 13:51.09 | prpplague | T0mW: hola |
| 13:52.11 | prpplague | andersee: ping |
| 13:52.34 | file[laptop] | destroy mornings |
| 13:56.41 | prpplague | ug i want to get some work done today and no one seems to want to talk |
| 13:56.43 | prpplague | :( |
| 13:57.13 | file[laptop] | prpplague: they hate you! |
| 13:57.21 | prpplague | file[laptop]: i guess so |
| 14:00.27 | prpplague | gee thanks |
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| 14:16.10 | jbevren | re |
| 14:16.11 | jbevren | yawn |
| 14:17.16 | GPSFan | jbevren: morning.. |
| 14:18.54 | prpplague | argh, i have like 5 things i need to work on, but i can't seem to get any of the maintainers awake today |
| 14:20.45 | file[laptop] | prpplague: sacrifice a goat |
| 14:34.46 | CosmicPenguin | ohhh... neil diamond |
| 14:35.21 | jbevren | prpplague: sacrifice a neil diamond. They'll miss that less. |
| 14:35.53 | prpplague | jbevren: the purpose of a "sacrifice" is to lose something of value |
| 14:36.10 | jbevren | prpplague: apparently cosmic values him |
| 14:37.13 | prpplague | i should just go home |
| 14:43.37 | T0mW | prpplague: it's Friday, nobody works on a Friday! |
| 14:46.53 | prpplague | uh, yea, jordan, hows it going? mmmk i'm gonna need you to come in tomorrow, mmmmk? and ummmm sunday too, mmmmkkk? |
| 14:47.47 | CosmicPenguin | Its the opposite |
| 14:48.12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ? |
| 14:48.22 | CosmicPenguin | my manager is clueless as to the amount of work required |
| 14:50.18 | prpplague | ahh |
| 14:50.39 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: how did the letter go over yesterday? i assume it went ok since you are still working |
| 14:52.07 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: heh - no response |
| 14:52.26 | CosmicPenguin | Thats why I'm going to be here all weekend |
| 14:54.36 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: getting wpa running eh? |
| 14:54.44 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: peap is pretty easy to do |
| 14:55.04 | CosmicPenguin | Thats what I need |
| 14:57.08 | CosmicPenguin | Hmmm... I need to figure out my ssid |
| 14:58.29 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 14:58.38 | prpplague | anyone else here into bootloaders? |
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| 15:52.12 | chouimat | morning |
| 15:55.28 | Wingnut | does anyone know what shell Microtronix ships with their uClinux port to the NIOS? |
| 16:05.02 | T0mW | prpplague: you've got work that you cannot get info about to do it, and I just cannot seem to get started on the stuff I need to work on today. :P |
| 16:24.45 | prpplague | sjhill: ok so, #uclibc is strictly for uclibc, not buildroot? |
| 16:24.49 | sjhill | correct |
| 16:25.03 | prpplague | sjhill: hmm |
| 16:25.07 | prpplague | sjhill: ok |
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| 16:25.46 | prpplague | no real need to be uclibc then |
| 16:25.50 | sjhill | heh |
| 16:26.04 | prpplague | sjhill: i was told that #uclibc was for buildroot as well |
| 16:26.11 | Sieg | same here |
| 16:26.18 | prpplague | sjhill: why is busybox in the topic? |
| 16:26.36 | prpplague | sjhill: oh well, doesn't matter |
| 16:26.38 | Sieg | especially since some of the devs are there |
| 16:26.57 | Sieg | and had answered me before :\ |
| 16:27.31 | sjhill | with the heavy changes going into uclibc these days, we kind of need to keep it clear i think |
| 16:28.07 | Sieg | sjhill: so you're part of the project I guess then |
| 16:28.16 | sjhill | understatement |
| 16:28.25 | Sieg | project leader? |
| 16:28.28 | prpplague | sjhill: ok, so looks like you and andersee are the only two we can talk with? |
| 16:28.43 | sjhill | prpplague: for buildroot? |
| 16:28.47 | sjhill | i would hope not |
| 16:28.47 | prpplague | sjhill: doesn't look like vepier or psm are on any other channels regarding buildroot |
| 16:29.02 | sjhill | is psm screwing with buildroot too? |
| 16:29.03 | prpplague | sjhill: hehe i'm open to suggestions |
| 16:29.07 | prpplague | sjhill: uh yea |
| 16:29.15 | prpplague | sjhill: according the svn he is |
| 16:29.15 | sjhill | oh **** |
| 16:29.21 | Sieg | not cow too? |
| 16:29.35 | CosmicPenguin | sweeeet |
| 16:29.41 | Sieg | hehe |
| 16:29.52 | Sieg | anyways, I'll repost question here :) |
| 16:29.56 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: are you copying that linux article with the quiet quad opteron? |
| 16:30.10 | CosmicPenguin | which one? |
| 16:30.17 | Sieg | hi! if I built a successful bootable compact flash, shouldn't a dd image copy the boot sector as well? I'm trying to clone the flash and the new one just isn't bootable :\ |
| 16:30.21 | sjhill | it was the Ultimate Linux box a few months ago |
| 16:30.30 | Sieg | and now if I chroot into the new image to try and run grub manually, I get "/sbin/grub, no such file or directory". Yet ls /sbin/grub shows the file is there indeed |
| 16:30.44 | prpplague | Sieg: hehe, i'm pretty sure most everyone here is using OE |
| 16:30.52 | Sieg | OE? |
| 16:30.57 | prpplague | openembedded |
| 16:31.13 | Sieg | hadn't even seen that project |
| 16:31.14 | ade|desk | god damn mother fuckers "HP" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 16:31.15 | vrm | I use extlinux for boot my ext2 flash |
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| 16:35.08 | CosmicPenguin | oh, well - another project I won't get done |
| 16:35.23 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: there you go - there's something you can do... :) |
| 16:35.34 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, i have plenty already |
| 16:36.10 | CosmicPenguin | Oh, come on - you were looking for something the other day |
| 16:36.21 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe trying to help with the buildroot stuff but having a hell of time getting some cooperation |
| 16:36.46 | CosmicPenguin | is andersee not helping you out? |
| 16:37.51 | m4lu7 | funny seeing you in here, prpplague. |
| 16:37.54 | m4lu7 | ;) |
| 16:38.00 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'm sure he would if he were alive |
| 16:38.03 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 16:38.34 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: all the ppl who were being ignored on #uclibc about buildroot have just been invited to #elinux, hehe |
| 16:38.46 | prpplague | m4lu7: hehe yea |
| 16:38.47 | CosmicPenguin | ack |
| 16:39.04 | m4lu7 | prpplague, let me guess... you're in here for something... arm ... something ... bootloader... |
| 16:39.19 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: eh? |
| 16:39.28 | CosmicPenguin | m4lu7: prpplague has been in here since #elinux was born |
| 16:39.43 | file | what did we used to be... |
| 16:39.46 | file | tuxscreen! |
| 16:39.50 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 16:40.01 | m4lu7 | i'm 1/2 way through my 3rd scotch (tapped the 18 year), so don't mind me. |
| 16:40.08 | CosmicPenguin | I cleaned my office the other day, and packed away my PDAs, but I left my tuxscreen out to remind me of my roots |
| 16:40.15 | file | I'm just here for the people myself |
| 16:40.23 | file | andersee: I'm sorta doing that |
| 16:40.25 | prpplague | andersee: just alot of ppl seen to be going #uclibc for buildroot issues |
| 16:40.30 | file | I leave tomorrow night for a 17 hour train ride |
| 16:40.43 | prpplague | andersee: and it seems to be an issue with discussing them there soooooo |
| 16:40.43 | file | but I'm a geek so I have my cell with CDMA1X and bluetooth and a Powerbook... |
| 16:41.42 | andersee | prpplague: you can always ask me directly. Heck, for you, you can even call. :-) |
| 16:41.49 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:41.53 | prpplague | andersee: thanks |
| 16:41.58 | T0mW | file: 17hour train ride, is that like to prison or something? |
| 16:42.25 | file | to another province in Canada |
| 16:42.30 | T0mW | file: I thought they banned torture |
| 16:42.37 | prpplague | andersee: main issue for me at the momment is that the target/generic/target_skeleton/usr/share/terminfo directories contain binaries |
| 16:42.41 | file | it was $210 CAD versus $680 CAD |
| 16:43.00 | file | and, like, I'm cheap |
| 16:43.06 | T0mW | file: plus the invasive body search at the airport |
| 16:43.08 | prpplague | andersee: shouldn't these be generated and not checked in like that? |
| 16:43.11 | andersee | prpplague: are you working with the buildroot.uclibc.org or with the tuxscreen one? |
| 16:43.22 | prpplague | andersee: buildroot.uclibc.org |
| 16:45.23 | prpplague | andersee: http://tinyurl.com/c3jfo |
| 16:46.18 | andersee | prpplague: that is odd |
| 16:46.37 | prpplague | andersee: its also in the AMD au1500 skeleton dir as well |
| 16:46.42 | andersee | prpplague: those are supposed to be generated by package/ncurses/ncurses.mk |
| 16:46.53 | CosmicPenguin | yayyy alchemy! |
| 16:47.05 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: :-) |
| 16:50.45 | prpplague | andersee: so shall i post a bug track for it? |
| 16:50.47 | andersee | Deleting target/device/AMD/DBAu1500/target_skeleton/usr/share/terminfo |
| 16:50.47 | andersee | Deleting target/generic/target_skeleton/usr/share/terminfo |
| 16:50.52 | andersee | Committed revision 12150. |
| 16:51.31 | prpplague | lovely |
| 16:53.52 | prpplague | andersee: will you be the one looking over my patches for buildroot? |
| 16:54.38 | kergoth | chouimat: read michael moorcock's new book? Silverheart. it's a collaborative work with Storm Constantine |
| 16:55.05 | prpplague | kergoth: cool didn't know he had something new out |
| 16:56.31 | andersee | prpplague: I also just checked in rev 12151. Seems there was yet another copy of the binary pre-built terminfo stuff lurking deep in the bowels of buildroot. |
| 16:56.49 | andersee | prpplague: yep, that would be me. |
| 16:57.03 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.aspx?edc=848818 |
| 16:57.13 | prpplague | andersee: ok, i'm submitting a patch to add a Sharp lh79520 based board |
| 16:58.53 | andersee | prpplague: cool |
| 16:59.16 | andersee | prpplague: btw, I got cross-depmod working (regardless of target endianness) |
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| 16:59.42 | andersee | prpplague: so despite the fact I havn't coverted all cases in buildroot, you shouldn't used depmod.pl anymore |
| 17:01.18 | andersee | prpplague: should have the kernel target depend on cross-depmod and simply use 'make install' |
| 17:01.23 | andersee | prpplague: with DEPMOD=$(STAGING_DIR)/usr/bin/$(GNU_TARGET_NAME)-depmod |
| 17:01.53 | andersee | but first, some breakfast |
| 17:01.56 | andersee | :) |
| 17:02.00 | prpplague | andersee: yea, my initial kernel build doesn't use any modules, so i've not used the depmod.pl yet |
| 17:02.23 | andersee | k, cool |
| 17:05.24 | Russ | haha |
| 17:05.28 | Russ | sata to cf |
| 17:05.38 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: damn straight baby |
| 17:07.53 | prpplague | andersee: ok next question |
| 17:08.19 | prpplague | andersee: patches inside buildroot should be compressed or not? |
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| 17:17.13 | prpplague | _dario: what kind of problem |
| 17:17.38 | andersee | prpplague: only if the patches are big |
| 17:18.06 | _dario | When I'm booting my sistem it the serial console doesn't work |
| 17:18.31 | prpplague | _dario: might help to provide us some information about your system |
| 17:18.49 | prpplague | andersee: ok, well i have the patch submitted without compressed patches |
| 17:18.58 | _dario | uclibc + busybox compiled for an arm9 system. That's all. |
| 17:18.59 | prpplague | andersee: looks like the au1500 dir uses compressed |
| 17:19.39 | prpplague | _dario: do you get information from your arm bootloader? |
| 17:20.29 | _dario | The kernel boots and it founds also the rfs. All is ok since I have an lcd display which displays the login correctly. |
| 17:21.09 | prpplague | _dario: so do you know for sure that the serial port works? |
| 17:22.22 | _dario | Yes. For sure. |
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| 17:22.47 | _dario | This becouse I can see the kernel output via the serial port. |
| 17:22.52 | prpplague | _dario: what does the line with the getty in /etc/inittab look like? |
| 17:22.58 | _dario | ::respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyAM0 115200 vt100 |
| 17:23.16 | _dario | my serial device is, in fact, ttyAM0. |
| 17:23.28 | prpplague | _dario: and /dev/ttyAM0 exists? |
| 17:24.01 | prpplague | andersee: hehe bummer my patch didn't attach to the report as it was bigger than 512k, |
| 17:24.30 | prpplague | andersee: guess i'll have to do it in two patches |
| 17:24.31 | _dario | Ehmm.. No :-P |
| 17:24.46 | _dario | So I should create it with mknod |
| 17:24.54 | _dario | Right? |
| 17:26.23 | _dario | Damn.. It was so easy.. I forgot I'm not dealing with a udev system :-P |
| 17:26.42 | prpplague | _dario: yes you will need to have that device inorder for it to work |
| 17:26.59 | _dario | Many many thanks :-) |
| 17:27.03 | prpplague | _dario: you can modify the device_list.txt file to add the device during the build process |
| 17:27.13 | _dario | Going to reboot my arm9 system :-) ... |
| 17:27.56 | _dario | Great hint, prpplague! |
| 17:27.59 | _dario | Thanks! |
| 17:28.21 | prpplague | _dario: if you are running a ramdisk image the device will have to be in the ramdisk, a reboot will erase the node |
| 17:29.14 | _dario | There shouldn't be this problem.. |
| 17:29.35 | _dario | Busybox + uclibc really rocks! |
| 17:31.10 | prpplague | _dario: yep |
| 17:31.23 | _dario | Today I built a linux system in 7.5 Mb |
| 17:31.37 | _dario | But I can also delete the header files :-) |
| 17:34.26 | _dario | Can I suggest adding this IRC channel in http://www.busybox.net/FAQ.html ? |
| 17:34.30 | prpplague | andersee: hmm, i guess i'm gonna have to email you this patch, there is no way i can get it down below 512k |
| 17:36.34 | andersee | prpplague: sure, np |
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| 17:39.42 | prpplague | andersee: i'll be submitting a patch for adding some arm bootloaders |
| 17:40.30 | prpplague | andersee: email otw |
| 17:44.41 | prpplague | ugh i need another week to get all this cleaned up |
| 17:47.59 | andersee | prpplague: got it |
| 17:48.04 | andersee | prpplague: will review shortly |
| 17:48.13 | prpplague | andersee: thanks |
| 17:48.45 | prpplague | andersee: i'd like to write up a doc with some basic rules for adding new devices |
| 17:51.59 | prpplague | andersee: next question |
| 17:52.19 | prpplague | andersee: the buildroot now just asks for the arch type, in this case just "arm" |
| 17:52.34 | prpplague | andersee: but uclibc has builds for several different arm types |
| 17:53.07 | prpplague | andersee: shouldn't we add a sub option to the arm config to set the type? |
| 17:53.29 | prpplague | andersee: as well as the endianesse ? |
| 18:15.19 | andersee | prpplague: probably so |
| 18:15.55 | andersee | prpplague: I've left those unspecified (so buildroot prompts) since I've never gotten around to adding such options |
| 18:16.23 | andersee | prpplague: but specifying those for arches that swing both ways, like arm and mips, would be a good idea |
| 18:16.35 | andersee | :-) |
| 18:18.51 | prpplague | andersee: testing now |
| 18:20.34 | CosmicPenguin | its been literally three years since I've touched that stuff |
| 18:22.28 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: it is still limping along? |
| 18:22.47 | andersee | hasn't greg long since lost interest? |
| 18:23.01 | CosmicPenguin | nah, he's still plugging away |
| 18:23.18 | CosmicPenguin | nano-x just can't compete with stuff like Twin |
| 18:23.28 | CosmicPenguin | The future is in vector based drawing |
| 18:24.35 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: vectors are for wimp. The future is in tensor drawing. |
| 18:24.39 | andersee | ;-) |
| 18:25.45 | CosmicPenguin | ph34rs even |
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| 19:03.24 | prpplague | uh had TPYE instead of TYPE |
| 19:17.09 | T`2 | hey plague.. hows it goin |
| 19:22.27 | prpplague | T`2: makefile bug driving me nuts |
| 19:23.46 | T`2 | heh |
| 19:23.58 | T`2 | whats the prob? |
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| 20:10.01 | prpplague | andersee: hehe just submitted the arm variant patch |
| 20:10.32 | andersee | prpplague: k, cool |
| 20:11.58 | prpplague | andersee: assuming it gets accepted i'll add the mmu option as well |
| 20:12.13 | andersee | sounds like a plan |
| 20:12.23 | chouimat | hi prpplague andersee |
| 20:12.32 | prpplague | chouimat: hola |
| 20:12.36 | andersee | chouimat: howdy |
| 20:12.52 | prpplague | chouimat: curious though, the uclibc config doesn't give an option for the arm7tdmi |
| 20:13.09 | chouimat | prpplague: hmmm |
| 20:14.03 | prpplague | oops that was for andersee |
| 20:14.12 | prpplague | andersee: curious though, the uclibc config doesn't give an option for the arm7tdmi |
| 20:14.27 | chouimat | prpplague: I was starting to wonder why you told me this ... probably the sun :) |
| 20:14.27 | andersee | prpplague: it should... |
| 20:21.34 | prpplague | andersee: i guess you would probably need to use the generic_arm option |
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| 20:43.24 | prpplague | andersee: made a few changes to the patch |
| 21:08.45 | CosmicPenguin | I don't know whats funnier - the dailywtf or the comments |
| 21:09.00 | CosmicPenguin | full of people that have gone down a horribly wrong path in their computer careers and try to justify their decisions |
| 21:11.55 | prpplague | ug |
| 21:11.59 | prpplague | some of the comments |
| 21:12.18 | CosmicPenguin | of course, if I was a java developer, I would be in a state of denial too |
| 21:16.18 | prpplague | T0mW: ping |
| 21:17.00 | CosmicPenguin | speaking of denial |
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| 22:42.04 | BeBrA | hi! I'm testing my first image with busybox and I've a problem with getty: I can't login, because I have no prompt for login |
| 22:42.15 | BeBrA | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:42.27 | jbevren | heh. my initial tests always had no inittab |
| 22:42.32 | jbevren | that way it'll spawn an askfirst shell :P |
| 22:43.27 | jbevren | try without an inittab, it should do an askfirst shell on tty1 |
| 22:43.35 | jbevren | or an rc script |
| 22:44.19 | BeBrA | just remove inittab? |
| 22:44.35 | jbevren | my test setup was just a busybox install, no rcS or inittab |
| 22:44.48 | jbevren | busybox will spawn as /sbin/init, and do a shell on tty1 |
| 22:45.08 | jbevren | I do that on one of my laptops for mp3 playback btw.. linux in initramfs with a mp3 player. |
| 22:45.15 | jbevren | load mp3s to ram, shut the laptop mostly off, and play :) |
| 22:46.10 | BeBrA | I'm going to modify image and booting on qemu |
| 22:46.34 | jbevren | heh. I've been arguing with bochs recently to get something of a compaq firmware update |
| 22:46.37 | jbevren | I did finally get it out |
| 22:48.29 | BeBrA | hmmm |
| 22:48.50 | BeBrA | inittab removed and again no shell... |
| 22:49.10 | BeBrA | hmmm there's still rcS |
| 22:51.48 | BeBrA | I think I also need to test oe... do you know if it can generate bootable images? |
| 22:52.34 | BeBrA | it's very tricky how I get this image from ptxdist |
| 23:01.36 | CosmicPenguin | OE has no trouble generating bootable images |
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| 23:12.09 | Genesis | bonne nuit |
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| 23:16.58 | BeBrA | hmm ok, bb asks to activate console, but tell me /bin/sh dows not exists... |
| 23:17.17 | BeBrA | is it enough to create symlink ? |
| 23:17.20 | jbevren | did you build a shell? heh |
| 23:17.27 | BeBrA | there's ash |
| 23:17.41 | jbevren | normally if you build a shell into busybox, it'll launch as sh. A link should work |
| 23:19.24 | T0mW | whew, 1226 drills (holes) on this PCB |
| 23:19.41 | T0mW | that's a lot of via's |
| 23:19.51 | jbevren | do you do your own vias? |
| 23:19.57 | jbevren | or do you ahve the pcb's made |
| 23:20.33 | T0mW | ha! I have 4pcb.com do my boards, I won't mess up my house, clothing, countertops, ... with chemicals anymore |
| 23:21.10 | T0mW | they do a much better job at working with 0.010" traces and 0.007" spacing |
| 23:21.22 | jbevren | heh |
| 23:21.23 | jbevren | I bet :P |
| 23:21.48 | T0mW | btdt, I used to have a laser printer and used that press-n-peel stuff |
| 23:21.51 | BeBrA | hmmm where d o Isetup busybox to use sh? on default shell i can only choose between ash, hush, lash and msh |
| 23:22.13 | T0mW | BeBrA: then, that is all you got |
| 23:22.20 | jbevren | as I said, if you build -a- shell, it should launch as sh :) |
| 23:22.36 | BeBrA | hmm probably i just need to enable "Standalone shell"? |
| 23:22.44 | jbevren | that'll help |
| 23:23.32 | BeBrA | recompiling again ;) |
| 23:25.03 | T0mW | jbevren: now to run up Win98 and use gcprevue |
| 23:25.05 | T0mW | :( |
| 23:25.15 | jbevren | win98? gah. :) |
| 23:25.37 | T0mW | all tools for linux to view gerbers cost $$$, the win98 stuff is free |
| 23:25.45 | jbevren | I should um do something other than sit in the same chair Ive been in since 8am |
| 23:25.55 | jbevren | doesnt pcb read gerbers? |
| 23:26.04 | T0mW | pcb? |
| 23:26.38 | jbevren | pcb - printed circuit board (pcb) design program |
| 23:26.42 | jbevren | debian's apt cache has it |
| 23:26.54 | jbevren | hm |
| 23:27.01 | jbevren | it can 'provide .. gerber output' |
| 23:27.03 | jbevren | wonder if it can read it |
| 23:27.23 | jbevren | anyway, check it out. I dont like the UI much myself though |
| 23:27.28 | jbevren | I'm off to do something different :) |
| 23:27.31 | jbevren | enjoy the eve |
| 23:30.00 | T0mW | jbevren: not usually, you don't want to use the same program that produced the gerbers to view them. Good to get "another opinion" |
| 23:30.36 | T0mW | jbevren: early versions of OrCAD would do that, fsck up the viewing of the gerber |
| 23:34.22 | BeBrA | do you know where I can get a 40 pin (male or female) ide adapter to *male* 44 pin IDE |
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