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| 06:18.53 | sorphin | T0mW: evenin gramps |
| 06:19.03 | T0mW | good morning |
| 06:19.23 | T0mW | some of us live on a different schedule than the others do |
| 06:19.24 | T0mW | eh? |
| 06:19.25 | T0mW | heh |
| 06:19.28 | sorphin | T0mW: ever scoped out video? |
| 06:19.33 | sorphin | indeed |
| 06:19.36 | T0mW | not really |
| 06:19.46 | sorphin | k |
| 06:20.13 | T0mW | oh, computer show in the morning, I need a case |
| 06:20.30 | T0mW | I have boards, need case to put them in |
| 06:21.12 | sorphin | heh |
| 06:21.13 | sorphin | yeah |
| 06:21.21 | sorphin | got a board i need a case for too |
| 06:26.49 | T0mW | I need someplace for secondary DNS |
| 06:27.19 | T0mW | since the ISP closed, I've only primary and that is causing problems with email |
| 06:27.54 | T0mW | The system is on Sprint and the T1 keeps developing problems, plus the local electric company sux |
| 06:28.13 | T0mW | seems everytime we get a storm the freaking power goes out! |
| 06:28.45 | T0mW | it is not conducive to keeps a server on the net with 5 9's |
| 06:28.45 | T0mW | he |
| 06:28.47 | T0mW | heh |
| 06:29.11 | sorphin | T0mW: secondary dns eh? |
| 06:29.18 | T0mW | we should be happy they are up over 90% of the time |
| 06:29.33 | T0mW | I have another location |
| 06:29.40 | sorphin | i was gonna say |
| 06:29.42 | T0mW | on another network |
| 06:29.45 | sorphin | i secondary for a few people |
| 06:29.57 | sorphin | my downtime is generally 0 |
| 06:30.48 | T0mW | heh |
| 06:31.00 | sorphin | just let me know (no charge :P ) |
| 06:31.13 | T0mW | I'll have to get the info together, I've got like 5..6 domains on that thing. |
| 06:31.20 | sorphin | taht no biggy |
| 06:31.33 | T0mW | these are no charge domains, just stuff for people I know. |
| 06:32.32 | sorphin | 22 for the host (he's a friend of mine) |
| 06:32.50 | T0mW | I've got nine |
| 06:33.04 | sorphin | and 3 of my own that i primary and secondary |
| 06:33.15 | T0mW | sorphin: you need a secondary? |
| 06:33.18 | sorphin | with an additional secondary in frisco |
| 06:33.23 | sorphin | sure |
| 06:33.31 | T0mW | ok, we can swap then |
| 06:33.36 | sorphin | that'll cover east and west |
| 06:33.36 | sorphin | ehh |
| 06:33.38 | sorphin | yeah |
| 06:33.55 | T0mW | I'll get the info together |
| 06:33.58 | sorphin | ok |
| 06:34.06 | T0mW | thanks |
| 06:34.42 | sorphin | what's your primary server's ip? |
| 06:34.54 | sorphin | i'll toss it in the transfer allow list |
| 06:35.33 | T0mW | 216.182.48.170 |
| 06:35.41 | sorphin | k |
| 06:36.03 | sorphin | heh |
| 06:36.08 | sorphin | interesting hostname/domain there |
| 06:38.00 | T0mW | where is that? |
| 06:38.04 | T0mW | beastbox? |
| 06:38.06 | sorphin | yeah |
| 06:38.22 | T0mW | it was, now we have workstations more powerfull |
| 06:38.34 | sorphin | nod |
| 06:38.55 | sorphin | only 1 domain you'll have to secondary, the other 2 aren't critical so i soley handle those |
| 06:39.04 | T0mW | ok |
| 06:41.06 | T0mW | what's the ip? |
| 06:41.24 | sorphin | just sent you mail at the email you /msg'd |
| 06:41.28 | T0mW | k |
| 06:41.43 | T0mW | got it |
| 06:41.47 | sorphin | so i see :) |
| 06:43.13 | T0mW | I have a hell'va conflict there with beastbox, I have it both as an external name and internal name. I will straighten that out once I install the new server |
| 06:43.25 | sorphin | nod |
| 06:43.33 | sorphin | i need to segregate my dns |
| 06:43.59 | sorphin | *.rfc.captainrock.com for internal |
| 06:48.10 | MonMotha | my solution to that (since you invariably have stuff behind NAT these days) is to create a real domain for publicly addressable stuff (example.com) and then make another one that's fake for internal stuff (I use example.lan) |
| 06:48.12 | T0mW | ok, I've got your record |
| 06:48.20 | sorphin | T0mW: ok |
| 06:48.30 | MonMotha | Hopefully ICANN/IANA won't go and make the .lan TLD (it would be rather dumb for them to) |
| 06:48.31 | sorphin | m0n: heh, nat? |
| 06:48.54 | sorphin | that's the only nat i use |
| 06:49.06 | MonMotha | unfortunately, at my home, NAT is unavoidable |
| 06:49.35 | MonMotha | my cableco won't let me buy address space, DSL is unvailable due to fiber at the street (I coudl get IDSL..oh boy), and a "real line" is out of the question price wise |
| 06:49.45 | MonMotha | T1 to Frame Relay is >$400/mo w/ a /28 in my area |
| 06:49.47 | sorphin | heh |
| 06:49.55 | sorphin | what about fiber at the street then? |
| 06:50.11 | MonMotha | telco refuses to provide any consumer friendly services on it |
| 06:50.16 | sorphin | ah |
| 06:50.23 | MonMotha | I could get a fscking OC-3 to my house if I wanted to pay for it, but no consumer services are available |
| 06:50.44 | MonMotha | (I seriously called the local telco up and asked what was available from them, and they suggested a T3) |
| 06:51.08 | sorphin | heh |
| 06:51.08 | MonMotha | I can do ISDN/IDSL or T carrier from the telco |
| 06:51.16 | MonMotha | if I could get DSL, I'd look into speakeasy |
| 06:51.25 | sorphin | sounds like you live in the wrong place man ;) |
| 06:51.28 | MonMotha | they'll do pretty speedy DSL with routed address space for ~$120/mo |
| 06:51.51 | MonMotha | yeah, though that's my parents' place. You'll notice from my current address that I'm a student |
| 06:51.53 | sorphin | i almost had speakeasy |
| 06:51.53 | MonMotha | I have a real IP here |
| 06:51.56 | sorphin | but they mucked up |
| 06:52.04 | MonMotha | unfortunately, the school won't route you off a subnet |
| 06:52.04 | T0mW | sorphin: did you get my zones ok? |
| 06:52.10 | sorphin | they didn't keep a leash on covad |
| 06:52.16 | sorphin | T0mW: hold on, putting you in |
| 06:52.32 | MonMotha | yeah, they seem to not handle Covad very well, and Covad doesn't exactly provide great service |
| 06:52.47 | MonMotha | once it's up, it seems to work fairly well. I have a client who hosts her email/web in house on speakeasy |
| 06:52.56 | sorphin | well |
| 06:53.00 | sorphin | covad sat on their hands |
| 06:53.05 | sorphin | SBC delivered a loop |
| 06:53.09 | sorphin | a month later |
| 06:53.11 | MonMotha | we just have a single static IP and do NAT for LAN access to the internet. No need to pay for anything more |
| 06:53.14 | sorphin | speakeasy finally prodded covad |
| 06:53.16 | sorphin | who woke up |
| 06:53.21 | sorphin | oh (says SBC) |
| 06:53.25 | sorphin | that loop we gave you |
| 06:53.38 | sorphin | it's 1000 feet too long, sorry (we ran it wround the block twice 1st) |
| 06:53.46 | MonMotha | haha |
| 06:54.04 | sorphin | MonMotha: i later got sbc dsl when they dropped fiber and put in remote dslams |
| 06:56.05 | MonMotha | yeah, I have fiber at the street, which will be great if SBC ever gets off their collective asses and does FTTP |
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| 06:56.17 | MonMotha | however, DSL requires copper |
| 06:56.21 | sorphin | uhh |
| 06:56.28 | sorphin | sort of |
| 06:56.49 | sorphin | OC3 |
| 06:56.50 | sorphin | woo |
| 06:57.22 | MonMotha | yeah, but this box at the street only serves like 15 houses. Hardly worth putting any kind of new equipment in there since maybe 2 would get DSL (especially since most interested people already ahve cable) |
| 06:58.43 | sorphin | heh |
| 06:58.48 | sorphin | i'd never use a cable modem again |
| 06:58.50 | sorphin | i'd rather use dialup |
| 07:00.17 | MonMotha | eh, the cableco we have does a decent job |
| 07:00.26 | sorphin | T0mW: got em |
| 07:00.30 | sorphin | MonMotha: charter |
| 07:00.32 | T0mW | thanks |
| 07:00.36 | MonMotha | ah, now I see why |
| 07:00.38 | sorphin | T0mW: right |
| 07:00.41 | MonMotha | this is Brighthouse/Road Runner |
| 07:00.54 | sorphin | MonMotha: had brighthouse when we were in orlando in the hotel |
| 07:00.58 | sorphin | heh |
| 07:00.59 | MonMotha | which I've heard suck in some places, but around Indianapolis they do a good job |
| 07:01.08 | sorphin | thankfully the timeshare, has satellite :P |
| 07:01.35 | MonMotha | yeah, they do make you buy basic cable to get the cable modem. Bastards |
| 07:01.38 | MonMotha | our cable bill is >$100/mo |
| 07:01.42 | sorphin | heh |
| 07:01.50 | sorphin | sux0rs to be you |
| 07:02.03 | sorphin | heh |
| 07:02.15 | sorphin | so my phone bill is hefty w/ the sat, dsl and phone (no LD) |
| 07:02.19 | MonMotha | but that's not bad for basic (+ "family pack") cable and a 5M/512k cable modem w/ 2 IPs (dynamic, unfortunately) |
| 07:02.33 | sorphin | nod |
| 07:02.51 | MonMotha | they charge out the ass for that second IP: $10/mo |
| 07:03.00 | MonMotha | we could probably drop it now that the work VPN supports NAT traversal |
| 07:03.08 | sorphin | erm |
| 07:03.08 | sorphin | 95 |
| 07:03.28 | sorphin | 5 usables (one gets taken for the head + 1 broadcast and 1 network) |
| 07:03.38 | sorphin | 3.08M/512k |
| 07:04.26 | sorphin | heh |
| 07:08.00 | MonMotha | sorphin: Kim Brand. Yeah, he delegates that to me |
| 07:08.10 | MonMotha | and pays for it too |
| 07:08.17 | sorphin | heh |
| 07:08.23 | MonMotha | I do contract work for him |
| 07:08.28 | sorphin | ah |
| 07:08.30 | MonMotha | I need to send him a zonefile for that |
| 07:10.36 | sorphin | MonMotha: now tha ti know you're awake |
| 07:10.42 | sorphin | ever scoped out video? :P |
| 07:11.03 | MonMotha | yes, actually |
| 07:11.38 | MonMotha | it's kinda a pain in the ass if you don't have a scope with special video sync functions |
| 07:11.43 | sorphin | MonMotha: this new box.. has the video hidden on a 39 spot header... jbevren mapped hsync and vsync and 1 video |
| 07:11.48 | MonMotha | especially in combined sync/video systems like NTSC |
| 07:11.55 | sorphin | this is vga |
| 07:12.02 | MonMotha | ah, that's a little easier |
| 07:12.13 | MonMotha | unless it's SOG, which you said it isn't |
| 07:12.18 | sorphin | here's what he gave me so far |
| 07:12.34 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:12.34 | sorphin | 1 2 3 4 5 .... |
| 07:12.34 | sorphin | a b c d e .... |
| 07:12.34 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:12.35 | sorphin | 1 video |
| 07:12.37 | sorphin | b horiz sync |
| 07:12.39 | sorphin | c vert sync |
| 07:12.49 | sorphin | 2-6 i'd found are grounded |
| 07:12.55 | MonMotha | what's 6? |
| 07:13.14 | sorphin | so that nukes the whole R-Gnd-G-Gnd-B-Gnd theory |
| 07:13.17 | sorphin | just told you |
| 07:13.22 | sorphin | 2-6 are gnd'd |
| 07:13.31 | MonMotha | no, what's 6? you have 1-5, a-e |
| 07:13.38 | sorphin | uh |
| 07:13.46 | sorphin | would you rather i show 39 pins? |
| 07:13.53 | MonMotha | oh, ok |
| 07:13.57 | MonMotha | it continues |
| 07:13.59 | sorphin | right |
| 07:14.00 | MonMotha | I didn't noticed the ...s |
| 07:14.04 | sorphin | hehe |
| 07:14.04 | sorphin | s'ok |
| 07:14.43 | sorphin | i'm guessing somewhere in 2-6 are sync gnd, red gnd, blue gnd, green gnd, and gnd |
| 07:15.03 | MonMotha | those are frequently just all tied together |
| 07:15.07 | sorphin | right |
| 07:15.10 | MonMotha | usually causes no problems |
| 07:15.14 | sorphin | right |
| 07:15.30 | MonMotha | what's your objective here? |
| 07:15.34 | sorphin | heh |
| 07:15.47 | sorphin | i need the other 2 videos |
| 07:15.54 | MonMotha | ok |
| 07:16.09 | sorphin | fbsd won't instlal via a serial port because their installer blows and has a bug |
| 07:16.13 | sorphin | so i need to use video |
| 07:16.17 | MonMotha | what kind of scope do you have? digital storage or analog? |
| 07:16.25 | sorphin | fbsd is needed for JunOS |
| 07:16.29 | sorphin | analog tektronics |
| 07:16.36 | MonMotha | ah, like mine. What kind of bandwidth? |
| 07:16.40 | sorphin | 100mhz |
| 07:16.47 | MonMotha | hum, now I'm curious, what model? |
| 07:16.51 | sorphin | hold |
| 07:21.42 | sorphin | sorry |
| 07:21.44 | sorphin | 300mhz |
| 07:21.53 | sorphin | Tektronics 2465 |
| 07:21.57 | sorphin | b |
| 07:22.16 | sorphin | er |
| 07:22.17 | sorphin | not b |
| 07:22.31 | sorphin | just 2465 300mhz |
| 07:22.40 | sorphin | dual channel |
| 07:22.46 | MonMotha | ok, not the same as mine then |
| 07:22.52 | MonMotha | does it have a separate sync input? |
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| 07:25.30 | sorphin | ok, scratch that.. man shows how long it's been since i've had it out |
| 07:25.32 | sorphin | 4 channel |
| 07:25.40 | MonMotha | even easier |
| 07:25.40 | sorphin | Z input on the back |
| 07:25.43 | sorphin | gate output |
| 07:25.59 | sorphin | calibrated 2 years ago |
| 07:26.00 | sorphin | heh |
| 07:26.02 | MonMotha | put the hsync on ch. 1. Is it high or low most of the time? |
| 07:26.11 | MonMotha | should be TTL level or similar (digital at least) |
| 07:26.18 | sorphin | i dunno |
| 07:26.29 | sorphin | haven't hooked up yet |
| 07:27.05 | sorphin | fyi, i only have 2 probes btw (10x) |
| 07:27.34 | sorphin | even bought the svc manual for the thing |
| 07:27.45 | sorphin | i really need to set up a damn bench down here |
| 07:27.58 | MonMotha | I was planning on talking you through it |
| 07:28.01 | sorphin | oh |
| 07:28.23 | sorphin | can you gimme a few then to set the scope up? |
| 07:28.31 | MonMotha | sure |
| 07:28.33 | sorphin | k |
| 07:28.34 | sorphin | brb |
| 07:28.40 | MonMotha | I'm working on a paper for a tech comm class, so I'll be up for a while |
| 07:29.29 | sorphin | k |
| 07:33.01 | sorphin | 2 probes gonna be enough? |
| 07:33.02 | sorphin | heh |
| 07:35.58 | MonMotha | yes, more would be nice |
| 07:36.15 | sorphin | hrm |
| 07:36.17 | MonMotha | though if you have any BNC connectors laying around, you could just use wire for the sync signals |
| 07:36.35 | sorphin | lemme see if my remaining probe from school still works |
| 07:37.00 | MonMotha | it's not a big deal |
| 07:37.03 | MonMotha | 2 is fine |
| 07:37.27 | sorphin | k |
| 07:37.33 | sorphin | what should i set the scope at? |
| 07:38.32 | MonMotha | start off at 50-100uSec/div horizontal, 0.25V/div vertical on your probe line, 5V/div vertical on the sync line |
| 07:38.34 | MonMotha | trigger on sync |
| 07:38.46 | MonMotha | rising or falling edge is fine for now |
| 07:39.04 | MonMotha | hook the probe that isn't on sync up to the known video line |
| 07:40.37 | sorphin | i don't have a sync line on the scope |
| 07:40.48 | MonMotha | it should sync on one of the input channels |
| 07:40.57 | MonMotha | there's probably a switch to pick which one |
| 07:41.04 | sorphin | i meant for your 5V/dev |
| 07:41.09 | sorphin | right |
| 07:41.24 | MonMotha | oh, HSYNC from the video |
| 07:41.28 | sorphin | ok |
| 07:41.30 | MonMotha | put that at 5V/div |
| 07:41.34 | sorphin | ok |
| 07:42.30 | MonMotha | ok, you should see some pulses on the sync line (ignore the video for now) |
| 07:42.42 | MonMotha | it'll idle either high or low and pulse every once in a while to the other level |
| 07:43.37 | sorphin | hold |
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| 07:46.40 | sorphin | err |
| 07:46.43 | sorphin | this is ulgy |
| 07:46.44 | sorphin | ugly |
| 07:48.03 | MonMotha | the sync signal should be very square |
| 07:48.26 | MonMotha | is the scope triggering? |
| 07:48.46 | sorphin | looks more like noise spikes |
| 07:49.45 | MonMotha | ah, decrease the horizontal time/div (make it faster) |
| 07:50.15 | MonMotha | the sync pulses are very short compared to the line scan tim |
| 07:50.16 | MonMotha | e |
| 07:51.24 | sorphin | its hard to make them out of this |
| 07:52.53 | MonMotha | you sure you're looking at the hsync signal and not the video signal? |
| 07:53.59 | sorphin | ok, i switched to DC coupling and i can see them.. they're noisy but i see em |
| 07:54.48 | sorphin | that's it |
| 07:54.52 | MonMotha | yes, make sure everything's on DC coupling |
| 07:54.52 | sorphin | cuz i measured between |
| 07:55.02 | sorphin | it's about 31.7khz |
| 07:55.05 | sorphin | ok |
| 07:55.15 | MonMotha | well, there will also be blanking intervals on the video |
| 07:55.37 | MonMotha | that would look like noise with periodic not-noisy low spots at this resolution |
| 07:55.50 | sorphin | well, i'm looking at the sync atm |
| 07:55.58 | MonMotha | ok. Is hsync normally high or low? |
| 07:56.13 | sorphin | it's bigger at the top of the square |
| 07:56.21 | MonMotha | so normally high, sync active low |
| 07:56.26 | sorphin | so normally high |
| 07:56.27 | MonMotha | yeah |
| 07:56.34 | MonMotha | set your trigger for rising edge |
| 07:56.49 | sorphin | uhh |
| 07:56.56 | MonMotha | (it may already be there) |
| 07:57.10 | sorphin | there's only + slope and - slope |
| 07:57.18 | MonMotha | yeah, that's rising and falling edge, respectively |
| 07:57.23 | sorphin | ok |
| 07:57.28 | sorphin | already on rising edge |
| 07:57.30 | MonMotha | ok |
| 07:57.44 | MonMotha | crank the horizontal faster until you've got 2-3 sync pulses on the screen |
| 07:57.55 | sorphin | done |
| 07:57.59 | MonMotha | maybe even less than 2, as long as you've got one full period |
| 07:58.04 | sorphin | only took 1 turn |
| 07:58.06 | sorphin | ok |
| 07:58.18 | sorphin | hrm |
| 07:58.21 | MonMotha | ok, put the sync at the bottom of the screen (shoudl be only 1 division high) and fill the rest of the screen with your video signal |
| 07:58.25 | sorphin | less then 2 |
| 07:58.48 | sorphin | gives me: ----|__|---- |
| 07:58.51 | sorphin | that enough? |
| 07:59.01 | MonMotha | oh, your scope does center screen trigger... |
| 07:59.03 | MonMotha | interesting |
| 07:59.08 | MonMotha | set it to falling edge |
| 07:59.15 | MonMotha | I thought only digital scopes did that |
| 07:59.15 | sorphin | ok |
| 07:59.17 | sorphin | there we go |
| 07:59.23 | sorphin | got a full period now |
| 07:59.23 | MonMotha | you should have __------------__ |
| 07:59.33 | sorphin | well |
| 07:59.44 | MonMotha | or maybe -__---------__- |
| 07:59.50 | sorphin | __-----------------__---------- |
| 07:59.54 | MonMotha | good enough |
| 07:59.56 | sorphin | k |
| 08:00.17 | MonMotha | bring your video up and adjust the vertical so it fills the remainder of your screen (the signal should be around 1Vpp) |
| 08:00.24 | sorphin | k |
| 08:01.09 | sorphin | ok |
| 08:01.14 | sorphin | the video really looks like crap |
| 08:01.44 | MonMotha | it should look like __~~~~~~~~__~~~~~~, where ~ is a big amount of extremely high bandwidth variation between about 0-0.7V (or maybe 0.3-1V) |
| 08:01.53 | sorphin | can't make out much |
| 08:01.56 | MonMotha | depends on what's being displayed of course |
| 08:02.01 | MonMotha | you shouldn't have to |
| 08:02.27 | MonMotha | just so that you see what video looks like |
| 08:02.39 | MonMotha | now just take your probe and probe each remaining pin looking for other video signals |
| 08:02.53 | MonMotha | you won't knwo which is R, G, and B, but you'll get your three video lines |
| 08:03.04 | MonMotha | then hook them up to a monitor and try different combinations until the colors are right |
| 08:03.14 | sorphin | well, i can't really see enough of video to give me a good 'thing to look for', it just looks like noise |
| 08:03.14 | sorphin | heh |
| 08:03.23 | MonMotha | yeah, but nothing else is likely to look like noise :) |
| 08:03.24 | sorphin | because i have it dialed so i can see the sync |
| 08:03.32 | sorphin | okie |
| 08:03.40 | MonMotha | what you're looking at is one full line of video (actually, a bunch on top of each other) |
| 08:03.55 | MonMotha | if you want just one line of video (at the expense of a very dim trace), you can replace HSYNC with VSYNC |
| 08:04.03 | MonMotha | you'll get just one line of video (the first one) |
| 08:04.15 | MonMotha | if you want the nth line, you need some external hardware |
| 08:04.29 | sorphin | i just want video so i can see what the hell to look for |
| 08:04.30 | sorphin | heh |
| 08:04.59 | MonMotha | video basically looks like __~~~~~~~__~~~~~~~__~~~~~~~~__... |
| 08:05.17 | MonMotha | __ is a very nice DC blanking level (usually -0.3 or 0V), ~~~~ is the active video. For VGA it's 0.7Vpp |
| 08:05.23 | sorphin | well why am i keeping the sync on the screen? |
| 08:05.34 | MonMotha | reference mostly, you can get rid of it |
| 08:05.39 | MonMotha | you need it for the trigger, still |
| 08:05.44 | sorphin | right |
| 08:05.49 | sorphin | i'm not disconnecting it |
| 08:05.51 | MonMotha | so you can't unhook the probe |
| 08:05.56 | sorphin | just getting it out of the way visually |
| 08:06.03 | MonMotha | when I did this, I left it at th ebottom 1div of my screen |
| 08:06.12 | sorphin | adjusting the time won't affect my trigger, will it? |
| 08:06.28 | MonMotha | no, but going any further won't give you any useful info |
| 08:06.39 | sorphin | heh, this is the 1st time i've really gotten a use outta teh scope |
| 08:06.40 | sorphin | heh |
| 08:06.42 | sorphin | k |
| 08:06.43 | MonMotha | the reason it looks like noise is because there are multiple lines drawn on top of each other |
| 08:07.08 | sorphin | uh |
| 08:07.10 | MonMotha | if you want to get really really fancy, it's actually possible to rig a scope with X-Y mode and a Z axis input as a monitor |
| 08:07.14 | sorphin | lotsa sines |
| 08:07.30 | MonMotha | there shouldn't be any pure sines |
| 08:07.40 | MonMotha | in fact, the output should be very quantized |
| 08:07.58 | MonMotha | (if you zoom in on the video signal further, which I couldn't do with my 100MHz scope) |
| 08:08.54 | sorphin | ah |
| 08:08.59 | sorphin | was noise on the squares |
| 08:09.04 | MonMotha | oh, yeah |
| 08:09.13 | MonMotha | it'll ring since your scope is Hi-Z and it's expecting a 75ohm termination |
| 08:09.33 | sorphin | ah |
| 08:09.35 | MonMotha | if you have a 50 or 75 ohm terminator you can throw on there, that would fix it |
| 08:09.47 | sorphin | heh, nope, fresh out |
| 08:09.49 | MonMotha | would also give you correct levels (you should be seeing 2Vpp I guess, since you're working into Hi-Z) |
| 08:09.55 | MonMotha | you don't have any of the old Thinnet gear? |
| 08:09.58 | sorphin | nope |
| 08:10.08 | MonMotha | I just use a BNC-T and a 50ohm terminator from my old thinnet stuff. Ugly, but it works |
| 08:10.08 | sorphin | and you're right |
| 08:10.13 | sorphin | i was seeing 2v P-P |
| 08:10.31 | MonMotha | makes sense. There's normally a 2:1 voltage divider between the source impedance and the monitor termination |
| 08:10.45 | sorphin | k |
| 08:11.05 | sorphin | there's 12v and gnd on this header to he mentioned |
| 08:11.06 | MonMotha | it's Source>----/\/\/\/\/\-----<Monitor>-----/\/\/\/\/\----<GND |
| 08:11.06 | sorphin | heh |
| 08:11.17 | sorphin | right |
| 08:11.28 | MonMotha | well, putting 12V on your scope won't damage it, even on the more sensitive vertical settings |
| 08:11.34 | MonMotha | it would, however, be rather detrimental to your monitor |
| 08:11.43 | sorphin | hehe |
| 08:11.44 | sorphin | right |
| 08:11.58 | sorphin | hence doing this |
| 08:12.01 | sorphin | so i don't ;) |
| 08:12.05 | MonMotha | reminds me...I need to rig up my scope as a monitor some time |
| 08:12.18 | MonMotha | it's not too tough |
| 08:12.31 | sorphin | well, a probing i go i guess |
| 08:12.50 | sorphin | so if i trigger off the Vsync instead of Hsync |
| 08:13.04 | sorphin | i'll see a slightly cleaner video (since it's 1 line) ? |
| 08:14.02 | MonMotha | yes, though there are some caveat |
| 08:14.02 | MonMotha | s |
| 08:14.15 | MonMotha | one, the video will be very dim (since it's only scanning a line once every frame) |
| 08:14.15 | sorphin | ok |
| 08:14.19 | sorphin | right |
| 08:14.23 | sorphin | that's dealable |
| 08:14.29 | MonMotha | two, you might see nothing at all, if the first line is constant black (not uncommon) |
| 08:14.43 | sorphin | k |
| 08:14.46 | MonMotha | depends on how easily you can tell the blanking level from the black level |
| 08:14.51 | sorphin | guess i'll deal with noise :P |
| 08:16.01 | sorphin | hmm |
| 08:16.06 | sorphin | sees a might be a video too |
| 08:16.13 | sorphin | lotsa squares |
| 08:16.25 | sorphin | man |
| 08:16.27 | sorphin | i can see these |
| 08:16.35 | sorphin | lot cleaner than pin 1 was |
| 08:16.36 | sorphin | heh |
| 08:21.26 | MonMotha | then it's probably not video :) |
| 08:21.40 | MonMotha | it it's just a digital signal, it's not video |
| 08:22.42 | sorphin | welp |
| 08:22.45 | sorphin | probed everything |
| 08:22.52 | sorphin | found gnd |
| 08:22.55 | sorphin | found +v's |
| 08:23.07 | sorphin | only 2 "videos" are those 2 |
| 08:23.13 | sorphin | then the 2 syncs |
| 08:23.38 | sorphin | they mention in the manual that this header is where video is configured, heh |
| 08:23.47 | sorphin | and jbevren got video off pin 1 to his monitor |
| 08:24.15 | sorphin | i don't hink my monitor will take video on 1 channel tho.. tried the other day.. saw nothin |
| 08:24.47 | MonMotha | well, then I guess you have your RGB |
| 08:24.53 | sorphin | uh |
| 08:24.55 | MonMotha | you did connect up the syncs, right? |
| 08:25.03 | sorphin | how do i have RGB? |
| 08:25.08 | sorphin | i have maybe R and G |
| 08:25.14 | MonMotha | oh, so there's only two videos total? |
| 08:25.16 | sorphin | only 2 video lines found |
| 08:25.24 | MonMotha | including the one you started with? |
| 08:25.26 | sorphin | yes |
| 08:25.37 | MonMotha | well, is it possible that it's just monochrome video? |
| 08:26.07 | sorphin | shouldn't be, they tout it as vga, and this has a chips and technologies video chip w/ 4M ram |
| 08:26.23 | sorphin | hardly worth all that for mono |
| 08:26.57 | MonMotha | do you know what it might be attempting to display on the screen? |
| 08:27.11 | sorphin | btw, when i said that other square was 'cleaner', it still had tons of overlays |
| 08:27.14 | sorphin | i just did some tweaking |
| 08:27.16 | sorphin | yes |
| 08:27.19 | sorphin | the bios menu |
| 08:27.24 | sorphin | i'm sitting in the bios atm |
| 08:27.34 | sorphin | via the serial agent |
| 08:27.47 | sorphin | but i have 'video at preboot' turned on |
| 08:27.58 | sorphin | so there's video output |
| 08:28.38 | sorphin | anyways |
| 08:29.28 | MonMotha | well, I guess I'd say try hooking things up to your monitor |
| 08:29.36 | sorphin | heh |
| 08:31.08 | sorphin | err |
| 08:31.20 | sorphin | shouldn't vsync be a much smaller number? :P |
| 08:31.50 | MonMotha | in terms of frequency? yes |
| 08:31.54 | sorphin | hrm |
| 08:32.03 | MonMotha | should be 60 for normal VGA |
| 08:32.10 | sorphin | scope shows it the same as the damn hsync |
| 08:32.32 | MonMotha | are they maybe both composite sync? |
| 08:32.53 | MonMotha | back off the horizontal until you can see a whole line |
| 08:32.55 | MonMotha | er whole frame |
| 08:33.11 | MonMotha | ~2ms/div |
| 08:33.49 | MonMotha | composite sync would look like: ------_---------_--------_------____-___-____--------_-------_------- |
| 08:34.06 | MonMotha | with there being a LOT more -----_----- than _____-_____ |
| 08:35.06 | sorphin | ok |
| 08:35.16 | sorphin | hsync is like we said initially |
| 08:35.39 | sorphin | vsync show more _____--_________--________--_______ |
| 08:36.13 | sorphin | scope still says it's in the 31khz range |
| 08:36.18 | MonMotha | so vsync is the inverse of hsync? |
| 08:36.26 | sorphin | would appear so |
| 08:36.28 | MonMotha | are they the same thing just inverted? |
| 08:36.29 | MonMotha | hum... |
| 08:36.30 | sorphin | and a higher voltage |
| 08:36.38 | MonMotha | that's...odd |
| 08:36.53 | MonMotha | they're normally both at TTL or CMOS logic levels (frequently very nice 5Vpp square waves) |
| 08:36.56 | joe_bleau | Switch probes...maybe the attenuation is off on one channel? |
| 08:37.11 | MonMotha | does it differ by a factor of 10? |
| 08:37.20 | MonMotha | he doesn't have any more probes :) |
| 08:37.24 | sorphin | hsync is 1v P-P |
| 08:37.34 | sorphin | vsync is... |
| 08:37.34 | MonMotha | hsync should normally be much larger than 1Vpp |
| 08:37.49 | joe_bleau | Right, but if one is a 10x and the other a 1x, swapping the two will show it... |
| 08:37.49 | MonMotha | especially into a Hi-Z load |
| 08:37.52 | sorphin | 5v P-P |
| 08:37.54 | MonMotha | true |
| 08:37.58 | sorphin | uh |
| 08:38.03 | sorphin | they're both 10x probes |
| 08:38.08 | MonMotha | sorphin: sometimes that messes up |
| 08:38.16 | MonMotha | especially on scopes that autodetect and adjust for it |
| 08:38.19 | joe_bleau | And you know the scope attenuators are ok? |
| 08:38.26 | sorphin | heh |
| 08:38.41 | MonMotha | mine doesn't do that, it just has two markings on the vertical: 1x and 10x |
| 08:38.52 | joe_bleau | Actually, could his 'hsync' be a color signal? |
| 08:39.04 | MonMotha | possibly |
| 08:39.12 | MonMotha | and vsync could be composite sync inverted |
| 08:39.26 | MonMotha | it's often hard to see composite sync without usign a delay trigger |
| 08:39.38 | joe_bleau | (BTW, great ascii art on the composite, MonMotha) |
| 08:39.41 | MonMotha | you can't get the horizontal res high enough to see the vsync blip without shoving the end of the frame off the end |
| 08:39.56 | sorphin | ok so...... |
| 08:40.06 | sorphin | could this be SOG? :P |
| 08:40.11 | MonMotha | that's also possible |
| 08:40.43 | MonMotha | SOG looks like ~~~~~_~~~~~~_~~~~~~-~~~~_~~~~_ |
| 08:40.50 | MonMotha | _ is hsync, ~~ is video, - is vsync |
| 08:40.51 | joe_bleau | 1V p-p on a I/O connector sure sounds like an analog signal to me, which points towards a video color line |
| 08:40.59 | MonMotha | yeah |
| 08:41.11 | sorphin | well |
| 08:41.18 | sorphin | bonehead pinned thse as the sync lines |
| 08:41.24 | sorphin | and got video w/ them as sync lines |
| 08:41.27 | sorphin | and pin 1 as a video |
| 08:41.28 | MonMotha | sorphin: try hooking the supposed vsync up to the hsync line on a monitor, and the supposed hsync and video lines to the RGB inputs |
| 08:41.35 | MonMotha | see if it will sync as composite sync |
| 08:41.54 | sorphin | MonMotha: i've hooked the vsync to the hsync line |
| 08:41.59 | sorphin | the monitor went dual LED mode |
| 08:42.04 | MonMotha | did you leave vsync disconnected? |
| 08:42.06 | sorphin | aka, i pissed it off |
| 08:42.09 | sorphin | no |
| 08:42.23 | MonMotha | leave vsync disconnected for that, otherwise many monitors will still assume separate sync |
| 08:42.31 | sorphin | i hooked the 'hsync' to the vsync line.. was making sure my syncs wren't crossed |
| 08:42.41 | MonMotha | yeah, leave that disconnected |
| 08:42.47 | MonMotha | hsync may be video (try green, in fact, for SOG) |
| 08:42.57 | sorphin | well, this is an SGI monitor |
| 08:42.58 | sorphin | heh |
| 08:43.12 | sorphin | tho i'm on the wrong connector for SOG |
| 08:43.20 | joe_bleau | Be kinda cool to get an image with just green and ground |
| 08:43.21 | sorphin | i guess |
| 08:43.24 | MonMotha | it's not fixed frequency, right? |
| 08:43.28 | sorphin | hell no |
| 08:43.30 | MonMotha | joe_bleau: that's how NTSC works |
| 08:43.39 | MonMotha | you have luminance with sync on it |
| 08:43.53 | sorphin | MonMotha: i'm doing 1280x1024 @ 75hz :P |
| 08:44.08 | MonMotha | (then for color you have the color subcarrier with saturation and hue IQ QAM modulated onto it up ~3.5MHz) |
| 08:45.00 | MonMotha | you're not going to burn in a scope in 5 minutes |
| 08:45.06 | sorphin | heh |
| 08:45.09 | sorphin | anyways |
| 08:45.10 | sorphin | so.. |
| 08:45.12 | joe_bleau | Limited video experience...although I did once try your X/Y/Z trick on a dual beam 'scope. |
| 08:45.16 | MonMotha | even if you ahve the intensity cranked |
| 08:45.36 | MonMotha | joe_bleau: it's kinda hard to do |
| 08:45.38 | joe_bleau | Set trig to norm and it'll idle with beam off. |
| 08:45.39 | sorphin | vid to vid, vid to vid, hsync to green, vsync to.. |
| 08:45.45 | MonMotha | vsync to hsync |
| 08:45.48 | sorphin | ok |
| 08:46.04 | sorphin | if i blow up the monitor, you owe me $50 ;) |
| 08:46.17 | MonMotha | sorphin: if it does bad things, turn it off :) |
| 08:46.23 | MonMotha | they're hard to blow up immediately |
| 08:46.29 | joe_bleau | Does it have an OSD for the active input (sync rates, etc.)? |
| 08:46.29 | sorphin | actually |
| 08:46.31 | sorphin | what's nice |
| 08:46.34 | sorphin | yes |
| 08:46.36 | sorphin | what's nice |
| 08:46.40 | sorphin | if it senses something bad |
| 08:46.46 | sorphin | it goes into protect (that dual LED mode) |
| 08:47.08 | sorphin | i guess i'll ahve to disconnect the damn KVM again |
| 08:47.15 | sorphin | only way i'll know if i have sync or not |
| 08:47.21 | sorphin | (the kvm alawys outputs sync) |
| 08:47.27 | MonMotha | joe_bleau: it's not dangerous to underdrive a fixed freq monitor, right (just won't work) |
| 08:47.29 | MonMotha | ? |
| 08:47.44 | sorphin | kvm w/ an OSD |
| 08:48.07 | joe_bleau | I wouldn't think so, just that the PLLs wouldn't lock. But I've not used one in years. |
| 08:48.22 | MonMotha | I have an ancient Sun/Sony fixed frequency monitp |
| 08:48.25 | MonMotha | monitor |
| 08:48.55 | joe_bleau | Hasn't everyone? Mine was an intergraph, but wasn't a trinitron tube. |
| 08:49.12 | MonMotha | nor is this |
| 08:49.15 | MonMotha | still looks damn nice |
| 08:49.45 | sorphin | this is a trinitron |
| 08:51.17 | sorphin | man this is gonna be a lotta wires |
| 08:51.18 | sorphin | heh |
| 08:51.39 | joe_bleau | (JB is a just little jealous of sorphin's Tek 2465. Hmm...make that more than a little.) |
| 08:51.50 | sorphin | hehe |
| 08:51.58 | sorphin | paid good $ for it on ebay |
| 08:51.59 | sorphin | heh |
| 08:52.37 | MonMotha | I got my scope for free |
| 08:52.50 | MonMotha | I paid $35 for my frequency counter at Dayton Hamvention |
| 08:52.52 | sorphin | how nice for you :P |
| 08:52.58 | MonMotha | for my signal generator (only 1Mhz :( ) for free |
| 08:54.10 | sorphin | ok |
| 08:54.15 | joe_bleau | I've got a 5370A counter/TIA that I need to get fixed. |
| 08:54.21 | sorphin | Monitor: Header: |
| 08:54.26 | sorphin | RED Video |
| 08:54.33 | sorphin | Blue Video |
| 08:54.39 | sorphin | Green Hsync |
| 08:54.51 | sorphin | Hsync Vsync |
| 08:54.58 | MonMotha | yup |
| 08:55.00 | sorphin | Vsync N/C |
| 08:55.19 | sorphin | k |
| 08:55.57 | MonMotha | just tie them together |
| 08:56.00 | joe_bleau | Just a thought...do you have anything else running with an active VGA output? |
| 08:56.01 | sorphin | right |
| 08:56.07 | sorphin | but this is an IDC connector |
| 08:56.12 | sorphin | eh? |
| 08:56.31 | joe_bleau | Might 'scope it out and double check the waveforms as a comparison, so you'll have a clear picture of what the signals are supposed to look like. |
| 08:56.47 | sorphin | well |
| 08:56.55 | sorphin | there were only 4 total lines w/ signals |
| 08:57.01 | sorphin | the rest are GND or +V |
| 08:57.04 | MonMotha | joe_bleau: I'd say he has a PC |
| 08:57.38 | sorphin | MonMotha: i have too many of those |
| 08:58.11 | sorphin | this is that compactpci one |
| 08:59.01 | MonMotha | sorphin: I was implying that you could scope the PC you're on's output for reference, as joe_bleau indicated |
| 08:59.13 | sorphin | heh |
| 08:59.21 | sorphin | not easily |
| 08:59.34 | MonMotha | you don't have an HD15 to 5BNC adapter? |
| 08:59.39 | MonMotha | I thought everyone had one of those :) |
| 08:59.39 | sorphin | uh |
| 08:59.41 | sorphin | no |
| 08:59.44 | joe_bleau | Oh, that would be ideal. |
| 08:59.46 | sorphin | plus there are near a wall :P |
| 08:59.50 | sorphin | in a 7' rack |
| 09:00.05 | joe_bleau | Oh well, just a thought. |
| 09:00.14 | MonMotha | I need to figure out wtf my PS2's RGB output is doing |
| 09:00.22 | MonMotha | that and why my monitor is so dumb |
| 09:00.37 | MonMotha | it comes up in SOG mode when I'm feeding it composite sync, and the SOG from the PS2 is broken |
| 09:00.48 | MonMotha | my composite sync is correct |
| 09:00.50 | sorphin | Suns use composite sync |
| 09:00.59 | MonMotha | yes |
| 09:01.07 | joe_bleau | They do? |
| 09:01.10 | MonMotha | yup |
| 09:01.11 | sorphin | yep |
| 09:01.18 | MonMotha | SGIs tend to use SOG, but Sun uses composite |
| 09:01.23 | sorphin | hence why |
| 09:01.36 | sorphin | an HD15 <-> 13W3 for a sun |
| 09:01.37 | joe_bleau | Hmm. I made a cable for mine, but I think I brought both Hsync and Hsync across. |
| 09:01.39 | sorphin | won't work on an SGI |
| 09:01.43 | sorphin | w/ out mods |
| 09:01.51 | sorphin | heh |
| 09:01.56 | sorphin | hsync and hsync? :) |
| 09:01.56 | MonMotha | sorphin: well, the SGI pinout differs a bunch anyway |
| 09:02.07 | sorphin | MonMotha: uh |
| 09:02.08 | joe_bleau | Really? I think I use the same cable for my Octane as well. |
| 09:02.14 | sorphin | you just feed R G B |
| 09:02.24 | joe_bleau | (Lucky for me, my LCD supports SoG.) |
| 09:02.25 | sorphin | the barrels |
| 09:02.30 | sorphin | that's all the SGI needs |
| 09:02.42 | sorphin | break the pins off the other stuff |
| 09:03.17 | joe_bleau | Hmm. I've used it quite a bit with the SGI, but maybe I'm mis-remembering that it worked with a Sun. |
| 09:04.08 | sorphin | heh |
| 09:04.19 | MonMotha | http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.sgi.admin/msg/ecd2ab873f59e03b?oe=utf-8&output=gplain |
| 09:04.27 | MonMotha | applies more to SGI machines that do generate composite sync |
| 09:04.43 | MonMotha | I know my sun does give composite sync |
| 09:04.48 | MonMotha | it's very old though (IPX) |
| 09:05.11 | joe_bleau | Yeah, I've got a stack of IPX and SS2. |
| 09:05.14 | sorphin | alll mine do |
| 09:07.01 | joe_bleau | Scabbed a DE15HD connector onto a TGX card rather than dealing with the 13W3. But that was just to check that the card worked, not something I actually ran for any length of time. |
| 09:08.27 | MonMotha | I have an adapter to go both directions (so I can use my IPX on a PC monitor and a PC on my Sun monitor) |
| 09:08.37 | MonMotha | I think I paid $5 for both of them |
| 09:09.48 | joe_bleau | Sounds like a good deal. I don't think you can buy a single 13W3 connector from Digikey for $5. |
| 09:10.01 | MonMotha | you can't buy a single 13W3 connector from digikey period |
| 09:10.06 | MonMotha | well, at least not normally |
| 09:10.25 | MonMotha | they and Mouser occasionally get an order for <1 lot, but > min order, and they'll sell off the rest |
| 09:11.31 | sorphin | well |
| 09:11.34 | sorphin | here goes nothing |
| 09:11.45 | sorphin | (btw, i'd love to get teh 13w3 connector on the SGI monitor working :P ) |
| 09:12.35 | sorphin | dual LEDs again, lemme get the KVM outta the way |
| 09:12.43 | sorphin | brb |
| 09:13.37 | joe_bleau | MonMotha: you're right...DK is showing a min order. But Mouser has both sexes in stock right now. Guess I saw it in the book, but never bother to check stock. |
| 09:15.03 | sorphin | ok |
| 09:15.12 | sorphin | even with the monitor directly on the device |
| 09:15.14 | MonMotha | joe_bleau: Mouser must have had an order |
| 09:15.18 | sorphin | i got dual LEDs |
| 09:15.30 | sorphin | aka bad sync |
| 09:15.32 | MonMotha | someone will order like 500, they'll buy 1000, sell the 500 to that customer, then stock the remaining 500 until they run out |
| 09:15.45 | MonMotha | try removing the vsync line from the hsync connector |
| 09:15.56 | sorphin | ok |
| 09:18.12 | joe_bleau | Hey, are there any jumpers, DIP switches, or configuration settings required to enable the rear panel VGA output on this board? |
| 09:19.10 | sorphin | nottathing |
| 09:19.14 | sorphin | joe_bleau: eh? |
| 09:19.25 | sorphin | no rear panel :P |
| 09:19.38 | sorphin | if i had the damn RIO board |
| 09:19.40 | sorphin | i'd be fine |
| 09:19.47 | joe_bleau | So the IDC connector is the only place to get the VGA output? |
| 09:19.48 | sorphin | the case isn't big enough for that |
| 09:20.00 | sorphin | it's not even an idc connector |
| 09:20.12 | sorphin | it's a female header |
| 09:20.13 | sorphin | but yeah |
| 09:20.34 | joe_bleau | Oh, ok. I was thinking that it maybe had two connectors. |
| 09:20.36 | sorphin | you either get com2 |
| 09:20.37 | sorphin | vga |
| 09:20.52 | sorphin | or ldvc or something .. it's LCD crap |
| 09:21.09 | sorphin | these have com2, but the video's still present |
| 09:21.39 | sorphin | the other one i won't have to care about doing this (i have 2).. cuz it'll do linux |
| 09:21.47 | sorphin | but i need fbsd on this one to install JunOS |
| 09:22.19 | sorphin | i guess i'll just pull the hdd |
| 09:22.24 | sorphin | and install elsewhere |
| 09:23.18 | sorphin | MonMotha: jbevren used his monitor to 'pin it out'.. his has BNC connectors :P |
| 09:23.35 | joe_bleau | You mentioned LVDS? You're sure that's not what you're seeing on those pins, instead of standard VGA? |
| 09:23.51 | sorphin | well, as i've said |
| 09:23.58 | sorphin | he's used the video |
| 09:24.13 | sorphin | hence how he told me pin 1 was video, and b & c were sync |
| 09:24.15 | joe_bleau | Exact same hardware? |
| 09:24.21 | sorphin | yes |
| 09:24.24 | joe_bleau | Hmm. |
| 09:26.04 | MonMotha | hum, is there a way to reconfigure this thing maybe to act as an LCD driver, rather than VGA, and yours is configured differently? |
| 09:26.18 | sorphin | heh |
| 09:26.51 | sorphin | hell if i know |
| 09:27.12 | joe_bleau | (That 1V signal, and the inverted signal, sounded a little like LVDS.) |
| 09:27.47 | sorphin | nod |
| 09:28.10 | sorphin | they say |
| 09:28.12 | sorphin | "CON14 is used for the front panel VGA configuration" |
| 09:28.18 | sorphin | this is con 14 |
| 09:28.20 | sorphin | *shrug* |
| 09:28.31 | sorphin | these were all in use by the same company |
| 09:28.36 | sorphin | same exact config and use |
| 09:28.48 | MonMotha | joe_bleau: indeed |
| 09:28.53 | MonMotha | though he said one was 1V and the other 5V |
| 09:28.54 | sorphin | headless optical controllers |
| 09:29.26 | joe_bleau | Oh, missed the 1V/5V part. |
| 09:30.31 | sorphin | well, seeing as i'd like to get this thing going before i turn 31 in june, i'm at the point now i'm just gonna pull the damn drive and install on another box and shove it back in |
| 09:31.07 | sorphin | it could just be his monitor doesn't mind how the video is |
| 09:31.08 | sorphin | mine does |
| 09:31.24 | sorphin | he's using BNCs |
| 09:33.03 | sorphin | nly need to install the fbsd this way anyways, junos uses the serial |
| 09:40.53 | sorphin | man |
| 09:40.58 | sorphin | that's a big chip for a bios |
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| 10:00.38 | sorphin | and now of course my damn laptop drive adapter goes AOWL |
| 10:00.42 | sorphin | AWOL even |
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| 15:15.19 | chouimat|laptop | morning |
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| 23:16.04 | T0mW | chouimat|laptop: you running your LPC2138 in Thumb mode? |
| 23:39.23 | MonMotha | ok, so the local pizza guys changed their price by $2 since they printed their ad TWO FUCKING DAYS AGO |
| 23:39.54 | T0mW | lucky you, you get it at the old price |
| 23:40.07 | MonMotha | no, I wish |
| 23:40.09 | MonMotha | it went UP |
| 23:40.41 | MonMotha | it's still a decent deal for on-campus delivery, but I will not be buying frmo them again unless they start honoring their ads |
| 23:40.48 | chouimat|laptop | T0mW: no |
| 23:41.41 | chouimat|laptop | T0mW: seem that the hardware guys screwed something as usual |
| 23:43.15 | T0mW | chouimat|laptop: maybe talk with you later, I've got to run |