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| 02:43.46 | bgat | anyone know where I can get a Linux driver for a TI TSC2003? |
| 02:44.00 | kergoth | touchscreen controller? |
| 02:44.05 | bgat | yes. |
| 02:44.17 | kergoth | hmmm.. /me tries to remember what model of those he worked with last |
| 02:44.19 | bgat | 2.6.12 kernel |
| 02:44.44 | kergoth | i think the one i wrote a driver was a tsc2101, which wouldnt be any help, i dont think |
| 02:44.53 | kergoth | tried the usual suspects? googled? |
| 02:45.30 | bgat | google mentioned the #elinux irc, but didn't seem to be much help otherwise. |
| 02:45.50 | kergoth | ahh :\ |
| 02:46.19 | bgat | http://ibot.rikers.org/%23elinux/20030522.html.gz search for "tsc2003" |
| 02:47.18 | bgat | looks like some guy/gal named prpplague might be a good one to ask... |
| 03:02.48 | bgat | on another topic, does anyone here know much about CF? |
| 03:03.01 | bgat | CF ATA cards, specifically. |
| 03:06.22 | T` | bgat, what are you looking for |
| 03:06.52 | bgat | I'm trying to use CF as a root filesystem on an ARM platform. I have it working for 256MB cards, but for some reason, 512MB cards don't. |
| 03:07.09 | bgat | Basically, all CF ATA cards "look" like IDE drives if you talk to them right. |
| 03:07.15 | T` | yup |
| 03:07.21 | T` | thats why its called "ATA" |
| 03:07.26 | bgat | I can't seem to figure out the relevant differences between 256MB cards and 512MB cards... |
| 03:07.36 | T` | there really shouldn't be |
| 03:07.45 | bgat | The 2.6 IDE stack identifies the card properly, I just don't seem to ever get interrupts. |
| 03:07.48 | T` | are you able to access an yregister? |
| 03:08.07 | bgat | yes. I can see the whole card. pcmcia-cs works fine. |
| 03:08.33 | T` | i'm not too familiar with linux's CF stuff... i wrote my own PIC code to read/write CF... so i'm faimilar with the standard if you have questions |
| 03:08.53 | bgat | cool. yes, I do have questions! |
| 03:09.23 | bgat | According to the spec, I don't even have to walk the CIS tuples to figure out where the ATA registers are. Correct? |
| 03:10.03 | T` | nop.. you do have to know which mode the CF card is in though |
| 03:10.18 | T` | like ATA or PC-Card.. since yous ay ATA, i'm assuming its wired up to be an ATA |
| 03:10.34 | bgat | how can you check? |
| 03:10.56 | T` | its a hardware thing.. depends on how the compact flash connected is hooked to your processor |
| 03:11.00 | bgat | ok |
| 03:11.08 | T` | but usually its ATA |
| 03:11.14 | bgat | I'll assume it's ATA, since pcmcia-cs says it's ATA and it works. :) |
| 03:11.33 | T` | well, then you can just read these registered through LBA addressing |
| 03:11.49 | bgat | that's the way I read the spec, too. |
| 03:11.49 | T` | s/registered/registers |
| 03:12.36 | bgat | and it seems to partially work, since the IDE stack can identify the CF card as a "hda: SanDisk SDCFH-256, CFA DISK drive" |
| 03:13.17 | T` | yea, if it can do that, it must be able to access the ATA registers... |
| 03:13.40 | T` | how do you know if interrupts aren't coming? |
| 03:13.40 | bgat | but plug in the 512MB card, though, and it identifies the card fine but for some reason I hang with "hda: lost interrupt" |
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| 03:14.02 | T` | hmm i c.. i'm not sure, but will that driver allow PIO mode? |
| 03:14.26 | bgat | dunno. How could I tell? |
| 03:14.48 | T` | umm.. i would start at looking at the module options |
| 03:14.57 | T` | or googling for related stuff |
| 03:15.25 | T` | may be its some problem with that particular CF |
| 03:15.34 | T` | i wouldn't expect all 512MB cards to act the same |
| 03:15.48 | T` | did you try any other card ? |
| 03:16.04 | bgat | I have two, one SanDisk and one Toshiba. Both appear to act the same way. |
| 03:16.33 | T` | but you say the 256MB card works fine? |
| 03:16.55 | bgat | yes. SanDisk 256MB at that. |
| 03:17.20 | T` | hmm.. is this board made by you? are you sure all the IRQ lines are properly pulled down ? |
| 03:17.34 | T` | you could have floats when you unplug the card if you dont do that |
| 03:17.55 | bgat | true. I think they're all fine. I can plug/play CF ATA, WiFi and other cards just fine it seems. |
| 03:18.24 | T` | well, i'm saying you can't predict the voltage of a floating wire |
| 03:18.32 | T` | so it might work sometimes .. might not some other time |
| 03:19.52 | bgat | true, but it's remarkably consistent... :) |
| 03:20.18 | T` | what do you get after lost interrupt? |
| 03:20.24 | T` | in the log.. does it say which operation failed? |
| 03:20.57 | bgat | no, because the kernel basically hangs at that point. the kernel is still running, it's just waiting for a signal that won't ever happen, apparently. |
| 03:22.10 | bgat | I think I'm going to have to hack around in ide-cs.c a bit. |
| 03:22.21 | T` | another reason could be the timing |
| 03:22.56 | T` | cards are faster/slower in response times.. i had such probs once where i kept timing out on i/o ops |
| 03:23.05 | bgat | yea, if my timing was marginal then the fact that it's correlated with memory size could just be a coincidence. |
| 03:24.30 | T` | how about playing with hdparm? |
| 03:24.41 | bgat | haven't tried that. |
| 03:25.17 | T` | i'm not too sure if that works as your system hangs up right after inserting the card, but my best guess would be somthing wrong with timing |
| 03:25.39 | bgat | yea, I'll take a look at that. gonna call it a night first, tho. |
| 03:25.39 | bgat | :) |
| 03:26.10 | T` | there is a define in the ide driver somewhere which will enable PIO mode.. i dont remember it exactly but if you grep PIO you will find it |
| 03:26.10 | bgat | thanks for the suggestions! |
| 03:26.16 | bgat | ok |
| 03:26.18 | T` | if you need CF working urgently, you can try that mode |
| 03:26.47 | T` | but this was in 2.4 kernel for IDE .. been a long time since i looked at the code.. things might have changed in your kernel |
| 03:26.57 | T` | 2.4.21 to be exact |
| 03:27.52 | bgat | ok |
| 03:28.14 | T` | http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0408.3/1018.html |
| 03:29.06 | bgat | yea, I saw that one earlier today. |
| 03:30.02 | bgat | well, I gotta go. |
| 03:30.06 | bgat | see 'ya later. |
| 03:35.08 | jbevren | nice |
| 03:35.17 | jbevren | "spammers giveth, spamguard taketh away" |
| 03:35.30 | sorphin | did you get my mail atleast? :P |
| 03:35.43 | jbevren | finally yeah |
| 03:35.50 | jbevren | oh, and I can check out debian's reply to my bug report |
| 03:36.03 | jbevren | (debian kernel pkg for 2.6 doesnt have working serial console, 2.4 works fine) |
| 03:36.08 | sorphin | nod |
| 03:37.07 | sorphin | heh |
| 03:38.29 | T` | whats up guys |
| 03:38.29 | jbevren | not much |
| 03:38.41 | T` | trying out synce here :-) |
| 03:39.00 | sorphin | T`: oh no, not you ;) |
| 03:39.53 | T` | haha |
| 03:40.09 | T` | damn hungry.. have to make somethnig for dinner |
| 03:40.12 | sorphin | yeah |
| 03:44.13 | jbevren | heh |
| 03:44.20 | jbevren | our local pizza joint claims to be open at 4p |
| 03:44.25 | jbevren | went there with my sister at 6 |
| 03:44.28 | jbevren | they were closed |
| 03:44.37 | jbevren | so I think I'm going to go there some night and scrape the hours off their door |
| 03:44.41 | jbevren | hehe |
| 03:44.53 | jbevren | theyre only open at 4 on fridays |
| 03:44.56 | jbevren | the door says m-f |
| 03:45.08 | jbevren | stupid bowling alley/bar/pizza place |
| 03:45.11 | jbevren | :-D |
| 03:45.28 | sorphin | heh |
| 03:45.37 | sorphin | jbevren: hurry up and install biotch |
| 03:45.38 | sorphin | hehe |
| 03:45.49 | jbevren | testing that kernel for the deb ppl first |
| 03:46.10 | jbevren | I hate fall sometimes |
| 03:46.27 | sorphin | hehe |
| 03:46.39 | sorphin | jbevren: yeah, they were hanging around our house in the spring |
| 03:46.42 | sorphin | now w/ the siding up |
| 03:46.47 | sorphin | i don't think we'll see too many |
| 03:47.00 | jbevren | heh |
| 03:47.06 | jbevren | theyre attracted to box elder trees |
| 03:47.09 | jbevren | (dunno if you know this) |
| 03:47.14 | sorphin | jbevren: we had damn roaches coming up the damn basement drain in the winter |
| 03:47.16 | jbevren | they just go to houses to sun themselves |
| 03:47.32 | sorphin | once summer came |
| 03:47.35 | sorphin | none ever came again |
| 03:47.43 | jbevren | pray your luck doesnt change. |
| 03:47.55 | sorphin | they just came in for warmth |
| 03:47.57 | sorphin | heh |
| 03:48.06 | sorphin | the only tree i can think the elders liked |
| 03:48.10 | sorphin | was the 3 trunk maple |
| 03:48.13 | sorphin | it sucked ass |
| 03:48.18 | sorphin | that's where teh ants nested |
| 03:49.02 | sorphin | ahh |
| 03:49.08 | sorphin | Box elder bugs normally feed on the leaves, flowers, and seed pods of the boxelder tree or silver maple. |
| 03:49.09 | sorphin | maple |
| 03:49.16 | sorphin | bet that was it |
| 03:49.17 | jbevren | ahh |
| 03:49.20 | sorphin | well it's gone now |
| 03:49.22 | sorphin | cut down |
| 03:49.23 | jbevren | didnt know that they liked silver maples too |
| 03:49.24 | sorphin | and ground out |
| 03:50.22 | sorphin | jbevren: been looking.. that's a weird machine |
| 03:50.22 | sorphin | heh |
| 03:50.56 | jbevren | what is? |
| 03:50.59 | jbevren | this kontron? |
| 03:51.05 | sorphin | yeah |
| 03:51.09 | jbevren | oh, it has an apparently gpio controlled led or two |
| 03:51.12 | jbevren | I'd love to heartbeat one :) |
| 03:51.19 | jbevren | sorphin: theyre hotswappable :) |
| 03:51.26 | jbevren | can be a slave cpu |
| 03:51.37 | sorphin | ah |
| 03:51.38 | jbevren | the bios has a neat option, to disable the resetting of nontransparent pci bridges |
| 03:51.48 | jbevren | that way it wont step on a master cpu's bus |
| 03:52.00 | sorphin | the new dell garbage has a switchable color (orange or blue) LED and a remote one, and a heartbeat |
| 03:52.07 | sorphin | heh |
| 03:52.08 | sorphin | cool |
| 03:52.19 | jbevren | there's also some sort of RACKnet, basically tcp/ip over pci |
| 03:52.36 | jbevren | for linux, qnx, and winNT5 |
| 03:53.03 | sorphin | heh |
| 03:53.09 | sorphin | komtron-emea |
| 03:53.13 | sorphin | which means |
| 03:53.14 | sorphin | europe |
| 03:53.16 | sorphin | heh |
| 03:55.15 | sorphin | heh |
| 03:55.21 | sorphin | their search finds 1 result |
| 03:55.22 | sorphin | downloads |
| 03:55.26 | sorphin | but has nothing in it |
| 03:55.31 | jbevren | yeah |
| 03:55.34 | jbevren | let me find my pdf |
| 03:55.37 | jbevren | I dont remember where I found it |
| 03:55.41 | jbevren | I think cp604 filetype:pdf |
| 03:55.46 | jbevren | he also has a link on the listing I think |
| 03:56.41 | sorphin | yeah |
| 03:56.45 | sorphin | and it took me to their page |
| 03:56.50 | sorphin | and said, you're goin to emea |
| 03:57.57 | sorphin | least their links are alterableish |
| 03:58.06 | sorphin | jbevren: http://www.kontron-emea.com/downloads/manual/CP604_manual.pdf |
| 03:58.07 | sorphin | hehe |
| 03:58.16 | sorphin | changed it from the 605 |
| 03:58.38 | sorphin | i'll see if it's the same one |
| 03:58.41 | sorphin | manual that is |
| 03:59.01 | jbevren | what the f/ck |
| 03:59.05 | jbevren | http://jbevren.net/screens/4debian.txt |
| 03:59.07 | jbevren | firefox wont view it |
| 03:59.10 | jbevren | it wants to download |
| 03:59.13 | jbevren | -why!?- |
| 03:59.25 | sorphin | mime types |
| 03:59.25 | jbevren | "you have chosen to open 4debian.txt" |
| 03:59.30 | sorphin | same thing happens with JPG vs jpg |
| 03:59.30 | jbevren | which is a: Text File |
| 03:59.33 | sorphin | jpg it opens |
| 03:59.38 | jbevren | no, I can open txt files |
| 03:59.39 | sorphin | JPG it prompts |
| 03:59.45 | sorphin | i dunno |
| 03:59.51 | sorphin | i've seen it do that on files i've opened before too |
| 03:59.55 | sorphin | i.e. pdfs |
| 04:00.00 | sorphin | sometimes it'll open in browser |
| 04:00.01 | sorphin | sometimes not |
| 04:00.17 | sorphin | heh |
| 04:00.23 | sorphin | that RDR place has some other neat toys |
| 04:00.29 | jbevren | 4debian2.txt is fine |
| 04:02.02 | sorphin | heh |
| 04:02.08 | jbevren | if you have an ansi viewer, you can see the bios's behavior during boot :) |
| 04:04.15 | jbevren | if minicom can read from stdin yeah |
| 04:04.18 | jbevren | I use minicom for my terminal |
| 04:06.23 | sorphin | nod |
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| 04:09.41 | jbevren | ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a XR16850 |
| 04:09.42 | jbevren | hm |
| 04:09.44 | jbevren | interesting |
| 04:09.50 | jbevren | 2.6 identifies the serial chip differently |
| 04:10.04 | jbevren | ttyS00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a ST16650V2 |
| 04:10.06 | jbevren | (2.4's id) |
| 04:10.26 | jbevren | 16650.. nice big buffer (128byte iirc) |
| 04:19.35 | jbevren | Hitler was not the first dictator to eliminate anyone who objected. |
| 04:19.45 | jbevren | (and he wont be the last.. *cough* bush *cough*) |
| 04:20.03 | jbevren | http://www.bullyonline.org/workbully/bystand.htm |
| 04:20.04 | jbevren | heh |
| 04:36.54 | T` | man that was some good pizza! |
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| 07:02.40 | sorphin | cdm: evening chris |
| 07:11.29 | cdm | hey man. |
| 07:11.31 | cdm | g'night :) |
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| 13:23.59 | sorphin | GPSFan: moin ken |
| 13:29.31 | GPSFan | sorphin: morning, how's life? |
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| 13:30.13 | sorphin | GPSFan: alright, you? |
| 13:30.34 | sorphin | prpplague: and there's our beer expert himself, the man, the myth, the ARM dealer. hehe |
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| 13:31.22 | prpplague | greetings earthlings |
| 13:32.05 | Wingnut | prpplague: good morning |
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| 13:34.17 | GPSFan | sorphin: yeah, spent the last part of last week over on CosmicPenguin's side of the mts. |
| 13:37.45 | sorphin | GPSFan: scary, you didn't run into any AMD flunkies did ya? |
| 13:39.07 | prpplague | Wingnut: hey |
| 13:40.14 | Wingnut | prpplague: when is your next trip out here? |
| 13:40.29 | prpplague | Wingnut: don't know, haven't made any plans as of yet |
| 13:41.46 | GPSFan | sorphin: nope, and I just escaped on sunday before the storm dumped all that snow ;>) |
| 13:43.57 | T0mW | prpplague: eep eep |
| 13:46.46 | prpplague | ~lart T0mW |
| 13:47.05 | prpplague | T0mW: i need a solder station |
| 13:47.15 | prpplague | these cheepy soldering irons are getting the better of me |
| 13:47.18 | T0mW | I need a woman |
| 13:47.45 | T0mW | trade you a solder station for one |
| 13:47.51 | prpplague | done |
| 13:48.56 | T0mW | ok, give me your boat^H^H^H^H shipping address |
| 13:48.56 | T0mW | heh |
| 13:49.05 | prpplague | T0mW: quick question, nCE , should i really use something like a 97ohm resister to pull that low, or is it safe to just ground it? |
| 13:49.09 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe |
| 13:49.24 | T0mW | 97 is kind of small |
| 13:49.35 | prpplague | T0mW: oh? |
| 13:49.48 | prpplague | maybe i miss read |
| 13:50.18 | prpplague | right 97k ohms |
| 13:50.22 | T0mW | heh |
| 13:50.35 | T0mW | 1000:1 |
| 13:50.46 | prpplague | T0mW: think i'll burn it out just grounding? |
| 13:51.04 | T0mW | depends on what is driving the nCE line... |
| 13:51.12 | prpplague | T0mW: nand flash |
| 13:51.16 | T0mW | is there a chip output pin on that line? |
| 13:51.55 | prpplague | T0mW: just want to force the nCE to be always low, the line is only connected to the nand flash |
| 13:52.34 | T0mW | most chip output will tolerate a 1 second short to either VCC / GND, any longer and you will break something. |
| 13:53.17 | T0mW | prpplague: ok, so, the nCE line is only an input? |
| 13:53.38 | prpplague | T0mW: yea |
| 13:53.44 | T0mW | ground it |
| 13:54.14 | T0mW | chips have internal current limiting on their inputs |
| 13:54.26 | prpplague | T0mW: it works just was worried about burning it out |
| 13:54.32 | T0mW | nod |
| 13:54.51 | T0mW | prpplague: shaping up to be "that kind of day" eh? |
| 13:54.58 | prpplague | i need some smaller white wire |
| 13:55.07 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, got a @#$%@#$ load of work to do |
| 13:55.13 | prpplague | T0mW: jtag for the s3c2410 and uboot |
| 13:55.18 | T0mW | prpplague: I like 30ga wire wrap wire for jumpers |
| 13:55.32 | prpplague | T0mW: problem is i can't find any for sale on the island |
| 13:55.56 | T0mW | prpplague: small island, too bad God stopped making land |
| 13:56.01 | prpplague | hehe yea |
| 13:56.09 | T0mW | unless you are in Hawaii |
| 13:56.24 | T0mW | God is still manufacturing it there |
| 13:56.32 | T0mW | volcano |
| 13:56.43 | T0mW | prpplague: no radio shack store? |
| 13:56.46 | prpplague | T0mW: actually we have two volcanos in the area |
| 13:56.51 | prpplague | T0mW: are you kidding? |
| 13:57.10 | T0mW | hmm, maybe you need to quit your day job and open one |
| 13:57.23 | prpplague | hehe no demand i gues |
| 13:57.49 | T0mW | prpplague: think of all those bamian children who will grow up without an electronics shop to haunt |
| 13:58.09 | T0mW | s/bamian/barbadian/ |
| 13:58.19 | prpplague | hehe |
| 13:58.43 | T0mW | prpplague: I'm beat, working through the schematic playing "what if" with the electronics. |
| 13:59.36 | T0mW | prpplague: after some testing, I can put the board into a dead-sleep-idle mode where the board only consumes 20ma |
| 14:00.18 | T0mW | prpplague: this board will probably have one processor in powerdown and the other in either powerdown or idle. |
| 14:01.16 | T0mW | can't see that I can idle at 14MHz clock and wakeup at 59MHz though. I might miss something on the UART. |
| 14:01.35 | T0mW | hmmm |
| 14:01.53 | T0mW | something in the doc about an external input clock to the uarts... |
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| 14:05.33 | sorphin | prpplague: RS isnt' an electronics shop anymore, it's a joke shoke, and all they sell now are bad jokes and cell phones |
| 14:05.40 | CosmicPenguin | and over priced AMD products |
| 14:05.52 | T0mW | prpplague: hmm, "Herbal elargement for your <member>" wonder if they are talking about a wooden stick? |
| 14:05.52 | CosmicPenguin | morning |
| 14:06.06 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: God save the Opteron (forget the queen :) ) |
| 14:06.14 | T0mW | sorphin: yeah, they got lots of nothing |
| 14:06.16 | prpplague | sorphin: i was gonna make a joke about that, but...... |
| 14:06.32 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: the who? :) |
| 14:06.49 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: gpsfan says he sent all that snow |
| 14:06.53 | sorphin | just for you |
| 14:07.03 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 14:07.04 | CosmicPenguin | he missed |
| 14:07.10 | CosmicPenguin | it all went south of denver... :) |
| 14:07.11 | sorphin | T0mW: just cell phones |
| 14:07.14 | T0mW | prpplague: you need your boss to ship you an electronics Care Package |
| 14:07.29 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, this isn't exactly work related |
| 14:07.35 | sorphin | T0mW: and a nudiebar |
| 14:07.39 | T0mW | heh |
| 14:07.46 | CosmicPenguin | They don't have nudie bars in Barbados? |
| 14:07.47 | sorphin | i don't think barbados has many, do they plague? |
| 14:07.56 | prpplague | T0mW: found a place listed in the phone book for supplies, gonna try it in about 30 minutes when they open |
| 14:08.02 | prpplague | sorphin: 3 |
| 14:08.03 | T0mW | sorphin: he can motor over to one of those islands |
| 14:08.10 | CosmicPenguin | Island folk like naked wimmin, too, don't they? |
| 14:08.25 | sorphin | ya know |
| 14:08.25 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: land folk do too! |
| 14:08.30 | prpplague | sorphin: the island folk are pretty religious, so they aren't advertised like they are in the states |
| 14:08.37 | prpplague | sorphin: you just have to know where they are |
| 14:08.38 | sorphin | every time i think of plague going to a nudiebar, i think of Al Bundy |
| 14:08.51 | T0mW | who is Al Bundy? |
| 14:08.51 | sorphin | when he sings about it |
| 14:08.56 | prpplague | sorphin: thats exactly me, i also singe the song |
| 14:09.03 | sorphin | prpplague: ha |
| 14:09.05 | sorphin | cool |
| 14:09.33 | sorphin | prpplague: except i don't think your wife is a bonbon eating oprah watching couch hold-downer |
| 14:09.40 | sorphin | least i hope not |
| 14:09.54 | prpplague | sorphin: hehe, no she cooks and cleans, hehe |
| 14:10.04 | prpplague | she does like to spend money though |
| 14:10.12 | sorphin | prpplague: that's in their generics |
| 14:10.15 | sorphin | genetics even |
| 14:10.39 | T0mW | women are good for the economy |
| 14:21.06 | sorphin | prpplague: if we win tonight (which i pray we do), i'll open a nudiebar down in barbados, and you can run the joint ;) |
| 14:23.13 | prpplague | sorphin: hehe, win what? |
| 14:24.08 | sorphin | prpplague: here at work we have 125 tickets for the powerball tonight, $240 million |
| 14:24.32 | sorphin | 125 tickets (not 125 people tho) |
| 14:26.28 | prpplague | sorphin: wow |
| 14:26.55 | sorphin | even 20 people |
| 14:27.00 | sorphin | if cashout is 120 |
| 14:27.03 | sorphin | that's 6mill each |
| 14:27.14 | sorphin | minus taxes, should still get a couple mil |
| 14:27.15 | CosmicPenguin | mm.... open space |
| 14:27.34 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: the powerball include .co.us too? |
| 14:27.35 | sorphin | heh |
| 14:28.02 | sorphin | prpplague: i could even pay chouimat to NOT code KDE ;) |
| 14:28.03 | sorphin | hehe |
| 14:28.14 | chouimat | morning |
| 14:28.14 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: yeah, we joined it in 2001 |
| 14:28.15 | sorphin | chouimat: oh, hi mat |
| 14:28.21 | chouimat | sorphin: hmmm? |
| 14:28.26 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: we spend all our money on parks and conservation |
| 14:28.29 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: how about you? |
| 14:28.29 | sorphin | chouimat: nevermind, you missed it |
| 14:28.41 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: hell if i know what .mo.us spends it on |
| 14:28.50 | sorphin | i just live here |
| 14:28.51 | CosmicPenguin | They don't advertise? |
| 14:28.55 | chouimat | sorphin: if you want to pay me I will gladly take the money and sit on the couch all day :) |
| 14:29.13 | sorphin | chouimat: and entertain women ;) |
| 14:29.22 | CosmicPenguin | Right about when the jackpot gets high, then ads start coming on TV thanking coloradans for spending all their social security money on powerball tickets |
| 14:29.50 | CosmicPenguin | Whats always funny to me is that the places that do the highest amount of powerball sales are always on the border with other states |
| 14:30.11 | CosmicPenguin | There is a little podunk gas station on the Idaho Utah border that must bring in millions of dollars a year in just powerball ticket sales |
| 14:35.48 | CosmicPenguin | err.. $2.50 |
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| 14:38.25 | Genesis | bonsoir |
| 14:47.33 | sorphin | 2.50 ? |
| 14:47.37 | sorphin | th tkts are a $1 |
| 14:48.14 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: some old person that's gonna die soon better not win.. that's a waste of the $ and they damn well know it |
| 14:48.30 | sorphin | what're they gonna do? buy their funeral plot? |
| 14:48.45 | sorphin | not trying to be callus |
| 14:48.48 | sorphin | but c'mon |
| 14:49.18 | sorphin | most people even young couldnt' spend $120/$240 million in their lifetime |
| 14:49.32 | sorphin | how's some 70 year old lady from podunk nowhere gonna? |
| 14:49.46 | sorphin | she'll prolly have a damn heartattach when she wins |
| 14:49.52 | sorphin | from the excitement |
| 14:50.43 | CosmicPenguin | If i win, I will buy dual dual opterons for everybody in the room |
| 14:52.05 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: no, I need 2.50 for a burrito |
| 14:52.28 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: if i win |
| 14:52.45 | sorphin | i'll take everyone to barbados to party w/ plague |
| 14:52.59 | sorphin | and even buy the beer |
| 14:53.13 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: ah |
| 14:53.51 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: guy in my group was gonna budget for dell server for next year.. then he saw the sun opteron server prices |
| 14:53.58 | CosmicPenguin | hah! |
| 14:53.59 | CosmicPenguin | I love it |
| 14:53.59 | sorphin | he's switching his bid :) |
| 14:54.08 | sorphin | hehe |
| 14:54.41 | sorphin | as AMD's stock slowly ticks up a few more points |
| 14:54.47 | CosmicPenguin | I've seen some of the Sun adds |
| 14:54.53 | sorphin | and Intel and Dell's heads the otehr direction |
| 14:55.00 | CosmicPenguin | "No wonder our competitors name rhymes with hell" |
| 14:55.02 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: you see the "serverofthemonth" one? |
| 14:55.21 | sorphin | the risque one |
| 14:55.21 | CosmicPenguin | heh - no |
| 14:55.26 | sorphin | candles, all that |
| 14:55.29 | sorphin | and instead of a chick |
| 14:55.37 | sorphin | its a Sun X4100 |
| 14:57.19 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: google for sun sweetdreams ad |
| 14:57.24 | sorphin | 1st find |
| 14:57.26 | sorphin | the pdf |
| 14:57.32 | sorphin | it's actually funny/scary |
| 14:57.51 | sorphin | got it in hardcopy from some tech magazine |
| 14:58.35 | CosmicPenguin | That is awesome |
| 14:58.42 | sorphin | hehe |
| 14:59.10 | CosmicPenguin | "By viewing them, you are making the following statement: I am viewing explicit material" |
| 14:59.14 | sorphin | i think AMD's scored a major home run w/ the opteron |
| 14:59.17 | sorphin | yep |
| 14:59.36 | sorphin | the guy was shocked |
| 14:59.44 | sorphin | dell servers budget $6k |
| 14:59.48 | sorphin | sun |
| 14:59.50 | sorphin | only $2k |
| 15:00.00 | jbevren | heh |
| 15:00.01 | sorphin | maybe 3 |
| 15:00.02 | CosmicPenguin | and chewy opteron goodness |
| 15:00.04 | jbevren | very nice |
| 15:00.08 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: yep |
| 15:00.17 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: and even dual core available :) |
| 15:00.31 | sorphin | jbevren: morning |
| 15:01.02 | CosmicPenguin | you haven't multiprocessored until you've multi*dual*processored |
| 15:04.29 | jbevren | you havent multiprocessed if you havent operated on more than 4 individual cpu's |
| 15:05.24 | jbevren | heh |
| 15:05.29 | jbevren | to think it'll get erased soon |
| 15:05.31 | jbevren | :P |
| 15:41.30 | file[laptop] | meep |
| 15:41.57 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: we need some RC5 key numbers off that dual dual |
| 15:42.10 | sorphin | i suspect 1,000,000,000 keys/sec |
| 15:42.30 | sorphin | what w/ the FPUs per core |
| 15:42.33 | sorphin | and 4 cores |
| 15:42.41 | sorphin | s/the/three/ |
| 15:45.35 | CosmicPenguin | Ok - I'll give it a shot |
| 15:45.38 | CosmicPenguin | what do I need to install? |
| 15:48.13 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: www.distributed.net |
| 15:48.44 | sorphin | downloads |
| 15:48.45 | sorphin | .... |
| 15:48.59 | CosmicPenguin | My boxen isn't visiible to the world |
| 15:51.16 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: can it get out? |
| 15:51.23 | sorphin | doesn't need to get in |
| 15:51.56 | CosmicPenguin | it can get out |
| 15:52.16 | sorphin | that's all you need |
| 15:52.58 | sorphin | it occasionally will submit keys and get new packets to work on, but that's just normal tcp traffic, nothing needs to conenct to it |
| 15:53.06 | sorphin | jbevren: saw a nice chassis |
| 15:53.10 | sorphin | $599 tho |
| 15:53.10 | jbevren | oh? |
| 15:53.13 | jbevren | ow. |
| 15:53.14 | jbevren | id? |
| 15:53.25 | sorphin | just search for compactpci in All Items |
| 15:54.00 | sorphin | 3 hours 42 mins, no bids |
| 15:54.02 | sorphin | woo |
| 15:54.26 | sorphin | anyone else here use/used phpMyAdmin? |
| 15:54.26 | *** part/#elinux ade|desk (n=adavey@194.200.143.249) |
| 15:54.49 | jbevren | they had a 3u chassis that was actually a testbench dev |
| 15:54.54 | jbevren | the microwave one |
| 15:54.57 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: bulding |
| 15:54.59 | file | sorphin: yes, I have |
| 15:55.11 | jbevren | sorphin: what chassis am I looking for? |
| 15:55.48 | jbevren | just a couple |
| 15:56.14 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: ok, now what? |
| 15:56.31 | jbevren | sorphin: the inova? |
| 15:57.46 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: building? heh, it has premade binaries |
| 15:57.47 | sorphin | heh |
| 15:57.48 | sorphin | anyways |
| 15:57.50 | sorphin | dnetc -config |
| 15:58.05 | sorphin | 1 (to configure) |
| 15:58.13 | sorphin | put in email addr |
| 15:58.21 | sorphin | 0 |
| 15:58.24 | sorphin | 2 |
| 15:58.27 | sorphin | for buffering stuff |
| 15:58.31 | sorphin | 9 |
| 15:58.49 | sorphin | put =0 after the non RC5-72 (OGR i think it is) |
| 15:58.53 | sorphin | so it only does RC5-72 |
| 15:58.55 | sorphin | 0 |
| 15:58.56 | sorphin | 0 |
| 15:59.03 | sorphin | to get back to prompt |
| 15:59.10 | sorphin | then just ./dnetc |
| 15:59.21 | jbevren | isnt there a bandwidth test? :) |
| 15:59.25 | sorphin | jbevren: no, you showed me the inova |
| 15:59.31 | sorphin | jbevren: no |
| 15:59.36 | jbevren | so which chassis |
| 15:59.40 | jbevren | thts the only one I get on the search :P |
| 15:59.42 | sorphin | hold on |
| 15:59.59 | jbevren | yeah |
| 16:00.01 | jbevren | er |
| 16:00.47 | sorphin | 5818365993 |
| 16:01.00 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: got it? :) |
| 16:01.06 | jbevren | ohh |
| 16:01.06 | jbevren | yeah |
| 16:01.12 | jbevren | why isnt that in my search |
| 16:01.18 | sorphin | it is |
| 16:01.47 | jbevren | (saw it last night btw) |
| 16:01.50 | jbevren | nice chassis indeed |
| 16:02.07 | sorphin | yeah |
| 16:02.11 | sorphin | but not for that green |
| 16:04.09 | CosmicPenguin | Oct 12 10:04:33 UTC] Automatic processor type detection did not |
| 16:04.10 | CosmicPenguin | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:04.10 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 16:04.12 | CosmicPenguin | thats right baby |
| 16:04.38 | CosmicPenguin | oh, crapy |
| 16:05.09 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: sorry, man - it can't make it through the ol' proxy |
| 16:06.43 | file | so since I haven't been paying attention |
| 16:06.47 | file | CosmicPenguin: wth do you have for a server? |
| 16:07.13 | CosmicPenguin | file: I have a brand new dual opteron 880 server |
| 16:07.14 | sorphin | file: dual core dual opteron |
| 16:07.18 | file | ah |
| 16:07.36 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: oh well |
| 16:07.44 | CosmicPenguin | thats four cores at 2.4 Ghz, and 4778 bogomips a core |
| 16:07.48 | sorphin | guess i'll have to go buy one w/ my lottery winnings ;) |
| 16:08.00 | CosmicPenguin | There's no way to sneak it out via http proxy? |
| 16:08.09 | sorphin | yeah |
| 16:08.10 | sorphin | you can proxy |
| 16:08.14 | sorphin | hold on |
| 16:08.24 | file | Please hold while we connect your call. |
| 16:08.50 | CosmicPenguin | -ha and -hp |
| 16:08.55 | sorphin | andersee would be proud |
| 16:09.03 | sorphin | it's compiled statically w/ uclibc :) |
| 16:09.23 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: you can set that in the -config stuff too |
| 16:09.29 | CosmicPenguin | I totally couldn't find it |
| 16:09.56 | sorphin | ok |
| 16:10.00 | sorphin | maybe i'm seeing things |
| 16:10.02 | CosmicPenguin | still didn't work |
| 16:10.04 | sorphin | oh |
| 16:10.09 | sorphin | oh well |
| 16:10.24 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: was gonna have you make one other change but oh well, if it don't work that change don't matter |
| 16:10.34 | CosmicPenguin | no - hook me up |
| 16:11.00 | sorphin | file: oh, mr file |
| 16:11.03 | sorphin | question |
| 16:11.10 | file | you can ask questions |
| 16:11.41 | sorphin | file: your employer |
| 16:11.45 | sorphin | got a person here at work |
| 16:11.55 | sorphin | who's on a vonage trial.. i'm steering him away from the dark side |
| 16:12.00 | file | haha... vonage... |
| 16:12.12 | sorphin | PAP2-NA (Which i'll buy from you/yourfriend/whatever) |
| 16:12.17 | sorphin | but |
| 16:12.27 | sorphin | was gonna see if you have/can get any rates |
| 16:12.30 | sorphin | LD only |
| 16:12.45 | file | 2 cents per minute billed in 6 second increments to US48+Canada |
| 16:12.47 | sorphin | he's gonna use his pots for local calls |
| 16:12.51 | sorphin | ok |
| 16:13.02 | sorphin | any monthly fee? or just what you use? |
| 16:13.16 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: hmm.. it was just on the crunchometer... |
| 16:13.29 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: not sure why -ha and -hp aren't working |
| 16:13.30 | file | just what you use. |
| 16:13.33 | sorphin | k |
| 16:13.34 | sorphin | cool |
| 16:13.37 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: I'm doing random keys |
| 16:13.38 | sorphin | name again? |
| 16:13.46 | file | http://www.asterlink.com/ |
| 16:13.52 | CosmicPenguin | All four processors pegged |
| 16:13.56 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: so it's working now? |
| 16:13.56 | sorphin | cool |
| 16:13.59 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: quit |
| 16:14.03 | sorphin | Ctrl-C |
| 16:14.06 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: no, I just disabled the network |
| 16:14.06 | sorphin | go back in config |
| 16:14.16 | CosmicPenguin | ok |
| 16:14.30 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: 1 |
| 16:14.31 | sorphin | 10 |
| 16:14.34 | sorphin | change it to 3 |
| 16:14.42 | sorphin | keys/sec is 3 |
| 16:14.44 | CosmicPenguin | done |
| 16:14.51 | sorphin | file: tnx |
| 16:16.07 | CosmicPenguin | I love that I have processors so new, that they don't know about them |
| 16:16.23 | CosmicPenguin | Ok, I have numbers |
| 16:16.28 | CosmicPenguin | who wants to guess? |
| 16:16.46 | file | not I. |
| 16:22.10 | sorphin | 1key/sec? |
| 16:22.11 | sorphin | hehe |
| 16:23.58 | sorphin | well? |
| 16:23.59 | sorphin | spill it |
| 16:26.15 | jbevren | one key/hr |
| 16:26.30 | file | one key/fortnight |
| 16:26.52 | sorphin | file not found. |
| 16:27.02 | file | darn |
| 16:27.14 | sorphin | file: gave 2 people the asterlink url |
| 16:27.23 | file | oh goody |
| 16:27.27 | sorphin | file: would it help you if i told them to mention you? :) |
| 16:27.34 | file | not really |
| 16:27.37 | file | it's all automatic |
| 16:27.37 | sorphin | k |
| 16:27.44 | file | note it's not really for residential :P |
| 16:27.53 | sorphin | one question one had |
| 16:28.19 | sorphin | buy minutes in bulk ahead of time? or like nuvoice where you can add minutes whenever |
| 16:28.40 | file | you prepay. |
| 16:28.54 | file | and then if you run low, it can automatically bill you if you want |
| 16:29.32 | sorphin | ah |
| 16:29.44 | sorphin | so they won't do residential then? |
| 16:30.22 | file | we're like a prepaid company... |
| 16:30.27 | file | doing residential is insane and yields no profit |
| 16:31.13 | sorphin | heh |
| 16:31.18 | sorphin | oh well |
| 16:31.22 | sorphin | wish you'd told me that :P |
| 16:31.37 | file | never said I did residential :P |
| 16:31.41 | sorphin | heh |
| 16:31.49 | sorphin | can you still get the PAP2-NAs? :P |
| 16:31.55 | file | probably |
| 16:32.06 | file | they actually stopped their little "need to be a provider thing" |
| 16:32.11 | file | you can get them off voipsupply.com |
| 16:32.54 | prpplague | hehe, nice news, juicebox booting from home brew cart made up of a xD card |
| 16:33.18 | file | http://www.voipsupply.com/product_info.php?products_id=317 |
| 16:33.20 | file | $59.95 |
| 16:33.53 | sorphin | file: wow, that's a change |
| 16:34.15 | kergoth | mmm, gre tunnels are my friends |
| 16:34.19 | sorphin | prpplague: cool, but can you drink out of it yet? (it's a juicebox after all) |
| 16:35.02 | prpplague | sorphin: not untill i have the pumps and valves connected for the automated beer dispenser |
| 16:35.51 | sorphin | prpplague: hehe |
| 16:36.46 | CosmicPenguin | I need guesses |
| 16:39.03 | CosmicPenguin | RC5-72: rate: 38,094,172 keys/sec |
| 16:39.32 | sorphin | that's all? |
| 16:39.37 | sorphin | wow |
| 16:39.48 | CosmicPenguin | sorry |
| 16:39.50 | sorphin | my mac mini w/ a 1.5ghz (oc'd) G4 |
| 16:40.00 | sorphin | is 15,8xx,xxx |
| 16:40.07 | sorphin | still |
| 16:40.11 | sorphin | 38mill ain't bad |
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| 16:40.17 | CosmicPenguin | I have four crunchers going |
| 16:40.20 | CosmicPenguin | maybe thats affecting things |
| 16:40.41 | sorphin | it'll start as many as you have cpus automagically |
| 16:40.50 | sorphin | it pools the keys together statistics wise |
| 16:40.59 | CosmicPenguin | #a is doing 37M/keys, #b is doing 30.41, #c and #d are doing 9 |
| 16:41.14 | sorphin | my dual ppro 200 has about the same key rate as a PII 400 |
| 16:41.16 | CosmicPenguin | At least according to the summary |
| 16:41.26 | sorphin | ah |
| 16:41.36 | sorphin | that makes more sense |
| 16:41.55 | sorphin | 38M keys per core |
| 16:41.58 | sorphin | better |
| 16:42.16 | CosmicPenguin | Not sure - I'm sure somebody smarter could figure out whats happening |
| 16:42.23 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i'm still impressed w/ how the athlon's doin |
| 16:42.32 | sorphin | guess it realy does have good FPU |
| 16:45.55 | CosmicPenguin | zillions and zilliions and zillions of keys |
| 16:46.03 | sorphin | :) |
| 16:46.12 | sorphin | ouch |
| 16:46.21 | sorphin | t`2_ got klined? |
| 16:46.28 | sorphin | i hope that was just an exitmsg |
| 16:46.30 | jbevren | wtf |
| 16:46.31 | jbevren | heh |
| 16:46.58 | sorphin | anyone else use phpMyAdmin? :) |
| 16:47.07 | sorphin | jbevren: install :P |
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| 16:52.22 | CosmicPenguin | he odds are 1 in 322,475 that we will wrap this thing |
| 16:52.23 | CosmicPenguin | up in the next 24 hours. |
| 16:52.27 | CosmicPenguin | THats better then the lottery, by far |
| 16:53.42 | sorphin | hehe |
| 16:53.51 | sorphin | i'm 1 in 7,507 that i'll find the key |
| 16:56.03 | CosmicPenguin | I'll just leave this running - build up a few hundred stat units for giggles |
| 16:56.38 | sorphin | heh |
| 16:56.46 | sorphin | yeah |
| 16:56.54 | CosmicPenguin | This is probably against company rules, though |
| 16:57.19 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: heh, we're wanting to put either it or seti on the junipers in the core |
| 16:57.27 | sorphin | they have cpus that aren't doing anything |
| 16:57.33 | sorphin | cuz all the routing goes to an ASIC |
| 16:57.47 | sorphin | the cpu is just there to run the OS |
| 16:58.42 | kergoth | sorphin: do you know of any uses for the 'seq' flag on GRE tunnels? (packet sequencing/serializing) |
| 16:59.14 | sorphin | negative |
| 16:59.31 | kergoth | it doesnt make much sense to me |
| 16:59.39 | kergoth | tcp can handle reordering itself |
| 16:59.44 | kergoth | and udp applications should handle it there |
| 16:59.52 | kergoth | so whats the point of doing it at the tunnel level? |
| 17:01.44 | sorphin | no idea |
| 17:01.46 | sorphin | ok |
| 17:01.47 | sorphin | wtf |
| 17:01.52 | sorphin | mini flood: |
| 17:02.06 | sorphin | scribbler2> ./testperl.pl |
| 17:02.06 | sorphin | Encrypted: x-dFYIvATv45hQDhJj4kR6wSXHWMpYBpyUxEWYdcUKC9B3Z0 |
| 17:02.06 | sorphin | Lz2nTT_bdod45D4pONtsujfJupDVXDo4xsdXmlcq1EEHG-qV |
| 17:02.06 | sorphin | scribbler2> ./testperl.pl |
| 17:02.06 | sorphin | Encrypted: Fe-C9YbI2F-FD5CY_94WOit2yYRxGjuPrzAmOVlRupHVMs4o |
| 17:02.06 | sorphin | ZvGCnA26UL1ux93xZXHPOUFTKwVBf5h_HsdxHmXOGQdpi_2s |
| 17:02.08 | sorphin | scribbler2> ./testperl.pl |
| 17:02.10 | sorphin | Encrypted: BxiyyRIl3No1qcXXoK46eGLnpuOlbdy72kTKve8Tk2_DLncI |
| 17:02.12 | sorphin | xPtk6d0l428yeYp7XzDHxT6wZP5wejyiT4ywqx-37vBiMqad |
| 17:02.14 | sorphin | scribbler2> ./testperl.pl |
| 17:02.16 | sorphin | Encrypted: x-dFYIvATv45hQDhJj4kR6wSXHWMpYBpyUxEWYdcUKC9B3Z0 |
| 17:02.18 | sorphin | Lz2nTT_bdod45D4pONtsujfJupDVXDo4xsdXmuz-fNjOybTk |
| 17:02.20 | sorphin | now |
| 17:02.22 | sorphin | tell me wtf |
| 17:02.26 | sorphin | is the encrypted output changing |
| 17:02.28 | sorphin | w/ the SAME KEY |
| 17:02.30 | sorphin | and the SAME DATA |
| 17:02.32 | sorphin | each run |
| 17:02.34 | sorphin | wtf? |
| 17:02.35 | CosmicPenguin | because the IV is changing? |
| 17:02.55 | sorphin | eh? |
| 17:03.03 | CosmicPenguin | what algo are you using? |
| 17:03.12 | sorphin | TEA, unfortunately |
| 17:03.25 | sorphin | why? because there's XXTEA for javascript, but only XTEA for php |
| 17:03.30 | sorphin | and blowfish |
| 17:03.36 | sorphin | well, blowfish can't make up it's mind what the output wants to be |
| 17:03.41 | sorphin | it's one thing in javascript |
| 17:03.47 | sorphin | another in 1 php version of it |
| 17:03.55 | sorphin | and another in a diff php script |
| 17:04.19 | sorphin | i'm -><- close to XOR and Rot13 at this point |
| 17:05.22 | CosmicPenguin | Yeah, with TEA it seems like it should be the same |
| 17:05.48 | CosmicPenguin | but for algos that use IVs, then your output will always be different depending on how you purturbed the initial vector |
| 17:05.49 | kergoth | this man page has "It isn’t work. Don’t use it." on one of the options |
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| 17:07.45 | sorphin | kergoth: ha |
| 17:07.48 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: IV ? |
| 17:07.55 | CosmicPenguin | initialization vector |
| 17:08.02 | kergoth | sorphin: thats what 'man ip' says about the 'seq' option for gre :P |
| 17:08.03 | CosmicPenguin | AES CBC uses it |
| 17:11.02 | sorphin | kergoth: doh |
| 17:11.10 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: hmm |
| 17:12.23 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: welp |
| 17:12.25 | sorphin | it decrypted |
| 17:12.30 | sorphin | dunno why it does that |
| 17:12.34 | sorphin | but it decrypted ok |
| 17:12.50 | sorphin | kidna stupid that it outputs on 2 lines |
| 17:12.58 | sorphin | (2 blocks for 1 string) |
| 17:13.01 | sorphin | have to join them to decrypt |
| 17:13.08 | sorphin | else you get 1/2 the message |
| 17:15.45 | sorphin | ah well, least it works |
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| 17:19.15 | sorphin | least i can s/\n//g to get it all on 1 line |
| 17:20.42 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: weirdest thing i've ever seen, oh well |
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| 17:30.01 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: according to Wikipedia, it uses a variable number of rounds, so possibly thats why they come out different |
| 17:30.20 | CosmicPenguin | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XTEA |
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| 19:05.40 | fanuqerzcx | well that's just.....JUICY! |
| 19:09.27 | joe_bleau | prpplague: good work! I'm heading to the Wiki now. |
| 19:09.40 | prpplague | joe_bleau: hey didn't see you sneak |
| 19:09.42 | prpplague | in |
| 19:10.11 | joe_bleau | Yeah, stayed home from work today with a sick headache. Been lurking for a few hours, since I got out of bed. |
| 19:10.54 | prpplague | joe_bleau: expoxied a xD card to one of the sd carts |
| 19:10.58 | prpplague | joe_bleau: works great |
| 19:11.07 | prpplague | joe_bleau: even fits inside the original case |
| 19:11.24 | prpplague | just have to be careful with epoxy |
| 19:11.51 | joe_bleau | Yeah, saw your post this morning on the bb. How'd you write the xD card--Linux driver, or straight from JB? |
| 19:12.15 | joe_bleau | I think I've got the PCMCIA/SM slot pinout figured out. Do you still need it? |
| 19:12.43 | joe_bleau | My xD/SM adapter came in yesterday, so I just need to settle down and melt some metal. |
| 19:13.54 | prpplague | joe_bleau: yea i still need it |
| 19:14.13 | prpplague | joe_bleau: right now the xD is only doing boot code |
| 19:15.15 | joe_bleau | Still, you're booting from flash, so the door has been thrown wide open. |
| 19:15.41 | prpplague | yea |
| 19:16.54 | sorphin | hah |
| 19:16.59 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: found my multiline issue |
| 19:17.01 | joe_bleau | Looking at the cart, all the fingers are on one side. You could do a dual sided board with two modes...one side up is custom NAND boot, other side up is a copy of the MMC slot MP3 kit. |
| 19:17.10 | sorphin | If Tea.pm is not being invoked from a CGI script (as |
| 19:17.10 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:17.10 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:18.21 | prpplague | joe_bleau: yea you could do that |
| 19:19.47 | sorphin | ~lart phpMyAdmin for not working anymore |
| 19:20.54 | joe_bleau | I think my JB hacking days are numbered, as I've already got my next toy ordered. eBay 8704081975. Couple of those el-cheapo ADS strongarm SBCs. |
| 19:21.33 | sorphin | heh |
| 19:23.25 | prpplague | holy-dev board batman |
| 19:23.35 | prpplague | i paid almost that x1000 |
| 19:25.17 | joe_bleau | I emailed some of the previous bidders/buyers, and one got back to me. I was concerned about ordering from .ca, the shipping, not sure if they worked, etc. He's got his running Linux, and he's thinking of ordering more. That was enough for me to make up my mind. |
| 19:26.07 | prpplague | they are good dev boards, i paid about $3200.00 for one back in 2000 |
| 19:26.27 | joe_bleau | Wait, the exact same board, the "Graphics Client Plus"? |
| 19:26.34 | prpplague | yep |
| 19:26.59 | joe_bleau | Whoa. Am I gonna be happy? |
| 19:27.33 | jbevren | prpplague: really? |
| 19:27.41 | jbevren | no, really really? :) |
| 19:27.46 | jbevren | I'd been podnering those for a while |
| 19:35.40 | prpplague | yep |
| 19:35.42 | prpplague | brb |
| 19:36.15 | GPSFan | joe_bleau: I jhave one on order, did the other buyer say how easy it was to get linux going? the doc's say that ther are 2 bootloaders, one for wince, one for linux. loaded in a 29lv1024. |
| 19:37.03 | joe_bleau | No, didn't ask. |
| 19:37.56 | GPSFan | joe_bleau: any clue as to how long it took to get from .ca? |
| 19:38.45 | joe_bleau | No, didn't ask. I'm guessing three days to ship, 1 week transit time min. Maybe 2 weeks at the outside. |
| 19:39.04 | jbevren | heh |
| 19:39.05 | jbevren | Iw as thinking |
| 19:39.08 | jbevren | gotta leave this for prpp |
| 19:39.12 | jbevren | but there are 31 of em |
| 19:39.14 | jbevren | lol |
| 19:39.41 | joe_bleau | They've been listed before, BIN, at something like $50. Can't believe they didn't sell out then. |
| 19:40.10 | GPSFan | I had a Graphics Client once several years ago, ADS was a royal pia to work with... good board though. |
| 19:42.01 | CosmicPenguin | hehe - ads |
| 19:42.04 | CosmicPenguin | haven't heard that name in a while |
| 19:44.12 | GPSFan | CosmicPenguin: drove through your side of the rockys last week, Loveland, Denver, greeley, Ft. Collins.. |
| 19:47.56 | CosmicPenguin | nice |
| 19:48.04 | CosmicPenguin | probably less snowy here then it is over there |
| 19:49.05 | GPSFan | Vail pass some snow on the way back and the weather guessers were predicting lots in the Denver area, bailed out at 10am got through before they closed I70. |
| 19:49.34 | CosmicPenguin | Yeah, down south between denver and colosprings got hit hard |
| 19:49.40 | CosmicPenguin | so did i70 |
| 19:49.41 | GPSFan | here the snow level was/is about 9000' |
| 19:49.46 | CosmicPenguin | we got a buttload of rain, but no snow |
| 19:50.22 | GPSFan | colorado springs got a bunch I hear.. |
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| 19:54.06 | kergoth | mmmm |
| 19:54.12 | kergoth | forgot how fast and efficient ion is |
| 19:56.05 | prpplague | joe_bleau: if you do the epoxy just make sure you are careful, my first test i got some in the sd socket from the back side holes |
| 19:56.48 | joe_bleau | I picked the right style SD socket, so I didn't have that problem. |
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| 19:57.21 | joe_bleau | (Actually, I ordered both mounting arrangements, and glued down the one that seemed to fit the best...) |
| 19:58.07 | sorphin | jbevren: install :P |
| 19:58.08 | prpplague | joe_bleau: ahh so you are gonna socket the xD card somewhere inside the case? |
| 19:58.09 | joe_bleau | My MMC slot is just flopping in the breeze with wirewrap wire to the connector slot solder tails. |
| 19:58.37 | sorphin | crap |
| 19:58.43 | sorphin | jbevren: i shoulda buyitnow'd |
| 19:58.48 | sorphin | i sniped at 100 |
| 19:58.52 | sorphin | someone bid 107.50 |
| 19:58.59 | sorphin | i hope he has more left |
| 19:59.00 | sorphin | d'oh |
| 19:59.09 | joe_bleau | I think I'll go cart to wirewrap wire to SM socket. That way I can plug the xD adapter and still be able to easily scope it. |
| 19:59.36 | prpplague | joe_bleau: ahh |
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| 20:00.47 | prpplague | joe_bleau: i'm going for the unmodified format |
| 20:00.58 | jbevren | sorphin: doh. |
| 20:01.18 | CosmicPenguin | Wow, that was one mustardy sandwich |
| 20:01.45 | joe_bleau | I still think an xD slot (and SD slot!) on a small PCB is the clean solution. |
| 20:02.23 | prpplague | joe_bleau: yea, what i've got is the xD hardwired and the sd slot together |
| 20:02.48 | joe_bleau | I'm just thrilled that we don't have to do a PIC jtag bootload hack. Loading code from the cart was a truly magnificent gift. |
| 20:03.01 | prpplague | yea |
| 20:03.14 | joe_bleau | So, you've dedicated that xD card to the JB, with no possibility of sticking it in a card reader, correct? |
| 20:04.43 | prpplague | joe_bleau: at the moment yes |
| 20:04.56 | prpplague | joe_bleau: program the bootloader via jtag to xD |
| 20:05.06 | prpplague | joe_bleau: once i'm booted i can access the xD and Sd |
| 20:05.17 | joe_bleau | Yep, make sense. |
| 20:05.22 | prpplague | joe_bleau: so if i need to upgrade the bootloader i can do it from uclinux |
| 20:05.27 | joe_bleau | (I'll be doing the same, just with a slot.) |
| 20:05.47 | joe_bleau | Did the NAND detection demo code work with the xD card? |
| 20:07.01 | prpplague | joe_bleau: yea i grabbed a 64mb xD which shows up as a matrix 64mb |
| 20:07.24 | joe_bleau | So much for the manufacturer code... |
| 20:07.46 | joe_bleau | Supposed to be a unique serial number in there too, I think. No idea where it's at. |
| 20:07.52 | prpplague | joe_bleau: well actually they usurped toshiba's code 98 |
| 20:08.07 | prpplague | joe_bleau: yea there is a vendor code command |
| 20:08.09 | joe_bleau | Pikers. |
| 20:08.16 | prpplague | joe_bleau: matrix is using toshibs code 98 |
| 20:08.25 | joe_bleau | Yeah, that's what I saw with all my carts. |
| 20:12.09 | prpplague | joe_bleau: another reason i didn't go with a socket is that without a socket the xD fits directly in the original sd/mmc cart |
| 20:12.17 | prpplague | joe_bleau: pictures on the wiki this weekend |
| 20:13.00 | joe_bleau | I've got so much wire out the side, I can't get the plastic cart housing in place anyway. That can change, of course... |
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| 20:13.27 | prpplague | joe_bleau: yea i just mounted one of my jb's to a pcb |
| 20:13.56 | prpplague | joe_bleau: supplies power, speaker, lcd mount, buttons, rs-232, and jtag |
| 20:15.32 | prpplague | joe_bleau: you get my post about changing lines 12 and 18 for the sd to pins 2 and 4 ? |
| 20:15.36 | joe_bleau | Sounds like my dev hardware at work; no plastic case anymore, just bare boards. |
| 20:15.38 | joe_bleau | Sure did. |
| 20:16.33 | joe_bleau | BTW, what sort of build system do I need to build uclinux? |
| 20:16.44 | joe_bleau | Got to be linux, or will any unix work? |
| 20:17.18 | joe_bleau | Or is it one of those 'builds anywhere in theory, but you're in for much pain unless you're running this exact version of tools'. |
| 20:18.08 | joe_bleau | (Now that we're starting into the fall, I can think about powering up the SGI Octane again.) |
| 20:19.34 | prpplague | joe_bleau: uh, well i would say you probably could find some build systems for uclinux other than a bsd or linux based platform, however since i've been m$ free since july of 1997, i would be hard pressed to tell you anything |
| 20:20.44 | joe_bleau | BSD is ok? Most of my boxes run OpenBSD, but the Octane is IRIX. |
| 20:21.06 | jbevren | linux runs (somewhat) on octanes :) |
| 20:21.28 | joe_bleau | Yeah, I've noticed. Can't believe that guy actually figured out some of the graphics hardware. |
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| 20:23.19 | prpplague | got to take some photos |
| 20:23.27 | prpplague | and get everything written up for the wiki |
| 20:25.47 | chouimat | arrrgggg |
| 20:25.48 | chouimat | just had another phone interview ... and I'm scheduled for 2 others (in person) tomorrow and friday afternoon at the same place ... first thing they asked me was if I had a pen and a piece of paper before starting the interview |
| 20:26.30 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:27.22 | chouimat | kergoth: was a difficult interview |
| 20:34.16 | prpplague | chouimat: did they asking things like, so the boss comes up on friday and says,"uhh yea, i'm gonna need you to come in tomorrow, and uhh yea, sunday too...." how do you respond? |
| 20:34.45 | chouimat | prpplague: you have 10 computers on a network and you want to backup them on a central location how to you do it with the basic linux installation ... etc etc |
| 20:35.01 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 20:35.12 | prpplague | chouimat: uh you crazy french canadian, hehe that was a joke, hehe |
| 20:35.13 | Crofton|laptop | backups? |
| 20:35.34 | chouimat | prpplague: was the easy one |
| 20:35.37 | CosmicPenguin | trick question - Linux people don't back up |
| 20:35.53 | Crofton|laptop | just uploda stuff to ftp sites and depend on mirrors |
| 20:36.31 | CosmicPenguin | heh, and I would have said that too |
| 20:36.41 | CosmicPenguin | I guess I'm lucky to have a job |
| 20:41.34 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, i'm hope'n to get some credit on the new juicebox cart from hackaday.com hehe |
| 20:41.46 | CosmicPenguin | they should give it to you |
| 20:41.52 | CosmicPenguin | you want me to submit it too, for double the hype? |
| 20:42.21 | prpplague | hehe, not till i have the wiki updated with pics and info |
| 20:42.30 | prpplague | gotta give joe_bleau so credit too |
| 20:42.39 | CosmicPenguin | joe_bleau++ |
| 20:42.51 | joe_bleau | Hey, easy there. I came late to the party and stood against the wall. |
| 20:44.54 | prpplague | joe_bleau: the last little bit of code to do the cart dump was what i was needing |
| 20:45.58 | jbevren | are you on aim atm? |
| 20:46.17 | prpplague | jbevren: ?? |
| 20:46.23 | jbevren | prpplague: not you. :) |
| 20:46.28 | prpplague | oh |
| 20:46.46 | jbevren | trying to get freebsd's installer booted with serial console |
| 20:47.24 | prpplague | and watch lost |
| 20:47.28 | prpplague | later folks |
| 20:47.37 | chouimat | prpplague: bye |
| 20:47.38 | prpplague | joe_bleau: thanks for the help again |
| 20:53.05 | CosmicPenguin | yay for him |
| 20:53.12 | CosmicPenguin | he's been working on that forever |
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| 21:20.43 | CosmicPenguin | ok - so there has to be a decent open source initrd for booting from a CD right? |
| 21:20.56 | CosmicPenguin | I don't expect every person with a livecd to reinvent the wheel |
| 21:20.59 | CosmicPenguin | or maybe I should |
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| 22:20.20 | CosmicPenguin | why does gentoo make it so damn hard to download code? |
| 22:27.52 | CosmicPenguin | these people all suck |
| 22:27.59 | CosmicPenguin | every single one of them |
| 22:35.56 | T0mW | :( |
| 22:36.09 | T0mW | TV sucks |
| 22:36.29 | T0mW | newlib sucks |
| 22:36.35 | T0mW | gcc sucks |
| 22:36.51 | T0mW | gcc won't do integer math without a library call. :( |
| 22:37.04 | T0mW | therefore, gcc suck |
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| 22:47.37 | garrapatta | hello... |
| 22:47.43 | CosmicPenguin | evening |
| 22:49.45 | garrapatta | anyone know the tslib module for arm?, I'm trying to compile a kernel for an Acer n30 handheld, and I don't know if it will be run... |
| 22:50.11 | kergoth | ? |
| 22:50.23 | kergoth | tslib is a userspace library. what do you expect compiling your kernel has to do with that? |
| 22:50.52 | garrapatta | use the touchpad of my handheld... |
| 22:51.54 | garrapatta | what is a userspace library? |
| 22:53.23 | T0mW | means that it is not part of the kernel |
| 22:53.57 | T0mW | anything outside of the kernel code is considered userspace |
| 22:54.12 | garrapatta | ok, I know, thanks... |
| 22:54.55 | garrapatta | I must compile it width my cross compler, and lather run into the handhled? |
| 22:55.20 | kergoth | -> #handhelds.org would be more appropriate place for this |
| 22:55.28 | T0mW | IIRC, there was a lot of discussion about tslib creation a while back. The problem was that tweaking the X + Y offsets and range for the screen was such that it was not felt that a user had to be root to affect this inside the kernel |
| 22:55.40 | garrapatta | ok... |
| 22:55.51 | T0mW | that a user should be able to re-align their touchscreen external to a kernel module |
| 22:56.09 | T0mW | since most kernel code require root access... |
| 22:56.33 | T0mW | therefore, tslib was created and tacked onto X libs |
| 22:56.52 | T0mW | well, not just X, but a seperate lib in general |
| 22:57.01 | garrapatta | ok, thanks T0mW.... |
| 22:57.25 | T0mW | garrapatta: kergoth suggested that you change to #handhelds.org and talk with those guys |
| 22:57.44 | garrapatta | ok, I'll go, thanks a lot... |
| 22:57.52 | T0mW | cp |
| 22:57.54 | T0mW | np |
| 22:59.49 | T0mW | wtf |
| 22:59.55 | T0mW | itoa.c:9: undefined reference to `__divsi3' |
| 23:00.12 | T0mW | won't gcc generate simple code to do integer math? |
| 23:00.20 | kergoth | thats generally provided by libgcc |
| 23:00.26 | T0mW | yeah, and |
| 23:00.31 | kergoth | should be linking to that automatically unless you're disabling linking against the standard libs |
| 23:00.54 | T0mW | I don't want standard libs |
| 23:01.05 | kergoth | then add -lgcc |
| 23:01.13 | kergoth | or provide your own integer math functions |
| 23:01.16 | T0mW | what does that do? |
| 23:01.21 | T0mW | the -lgcc |
| 23:01.21 | kergoth | it links against libgcc |
| 23:01.28 | kergoth | which is what provides those functions |
| 23:01.38 | T0mW | and that is just simple math stuff? not printf etc? |
| 23:01.47 | kergoth | libgcc != libc |
| 23:02.09 | T0mW | I don't want to get into a situation where I make a simple statement and have huge amounts of code introduced |
| 23:02.22 | T0mW | I'll try it, thanks |
| 23:03.33 | T0mW | I don't mind building code for "toupper(ch)", so I don't need libc |
| 23:04.16 | T0mW | kergoth: ah, thanks kergoth, that looks okay (-lgcc) |
| 23:04.23 | kergoth | np |
| 23:05.08 | T0mW | I've got a ton of code to write and I've spent the past week getting my tools together. :( |
| 23:05.26 | kergoth | know how ya feel. i keep getting stuck on environmental issues, tools, build infrastructure, etc |
| 23:05.32 | kergoth | slowing things down quite a bit |
| 23:05.34 | T0mW | I was about to listen to some commercial source sales pitch on a dev kit |
| 23:08.06 | T0mW | the code even runs, heh |
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| 23:57.44 | chouimat | T0mW: hey |