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02:02.58 | chouimat|Zzz | night |
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05:27.00 | jacques | ibot, test |
05:27.03 | ibot | Test Failed! |
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12:57.06 | prpplague | ho ho ho |
12:57.11 | prpplague | merry freakin monday |
12:59.00 | jbevren | doh |
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13:04.04 | prpplague | plus i have a @#$@#$@ load of work to do |
13:08.27 | sorphin | prpplague: saw an article on /. from last week that applies to you.. a coaster that keeps your beer full |
13:10.06 | prpplague | sorphin: cool |
13:11.06 | jbevren | hehe |
13:11.08 | jbevren | gimmie |
13:11.13 | sorphin | prpplague: the neverending beer glass ;) |
13:11.19 | prpplague | hehe |
13:11.23 | prpplague | sorphin: thats dangerous |
13:11.39 | prpplague | sorphin: just wish i could get something other than a lager right now |
13:12.03 | sorphin | prpplague: you should import and stash stuff away |
13:12.19 | prpplague | sorphin: been trying to |
13:12.33 | prpplague | sorphin: can't get anyone that will do the importing |
13:15.19 | prpplague | argh, i hate it when ppl ask extremely basic questions on the mailing lists, questions that have been asked a hundred times on the list, questions that are answered on the project home page, questions that are answered with a single google search |
13:21.16 | prpplague | uclinux mailing list "does anyone know if arm7tdmi is supported?" |
13:21.24 | prpplague | duh |
13:22.28 | jbevren | duh. |
13:22.29 | jbevren | hehe |
13:25.31 | sorphin | heh |
13:28.48 | prpplague | the other thing on the mailing list is outsourcing groups who post something like "hello, i port linax to custom boord, need finished fast, pleese help!" |
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13:47.28 | CosmicPenguin | morning |
13:47.39 | sorphin | ~monday |
13:47.41 | ibot | hmm... monday is when everything breaks for no apparent reason, creating so many problems that it takes you until friday to get back to normal. at which point one more thing breaks that takes you the whole weekend to fix |
13:47.56 | sorphin | accurate up to that last bit |
13:48.09 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: morning mr penguin |
13:48.33 | sorphin | prpplague: they come in here too dont' forget |
13:52.44 | prpplague | sorphin: yea, but generally they aren't quite as bad here |
13:53.18 | jayakumar2 | CosmicPenguin, thanks for capistrano info. |
13:53.30 | CosmicPenguin | jayakumar2: heh - no problem.... :) |
13:54.20 | jayakumar2 | i wish i had grepped my log before. i submited the audio driver as cs5535audio, it'd have been nicer to call it capistrano |
13:54.28 | CosmicPenguin | jayakumar2: oh, that was you? |
13:54.33 | jayakumar2 | yup |
13:55.27 | jayakumar2 | it's in 2.6.14-rc2-mm1 |
13:55.30 | CosmicPenguin | jayakumar2: I haven't had a chance to see it yet, I just noticed it on the LKML |
13:56.12 | jayakumar2 | cool |
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13:56.43 | jayakumar2 | i also patched up ide-dma for capistrano |
13:56.51 | jayakumar2 | that hasn't got merged yet |
13:57.29 | CosmicPenguin | jayakumar2: you submitted that too? |
13:57.37 | jayakumar2 | yup |
13:57.54 | CosmicPenguin | jayakumar2: we do have released patches for all these things - you might want to check our version of the ide-dma driver - there are lots of little bugs that you have to worry about |
13:57.54 | jayakumar2 | but that was originally ported to 2.6.11 by a couple of germans |
13:58.20 | jayakumar2 | CosmicPenguin, i think so. the longmont guys had released patches for 2.4 |
13:58.31 | CosmicPenguin | 2.6 too |
13:58.40 | CosmicPenguin | I don't want you to think that we don't appreciate it |
13:58.43 | jayakumar2 | like the audio was for oss rather than alsa |
13:59.04 | jayakumar2 | CosmicPenguin, nope. just 2.4 |
13:59.19 | jayakumar2 | afaik |
13:59.26 | jayakumar2 | :-) |
13:59.32 | CosmicPenguin | jayakumar2: you have to trust me - I was the guy who wrote them |
14:00.02 | jayakumar2 | CosmicPenguin, the audio driver was for oss and it didn't build on 2.6.13 |
14:00.37 | jayakumar2 | maybe the patches up on the amd dev site are behind? |
14:00.44 | CosmicPenguin | jayakumar2: They are behind |
14:00.56 | jayakumar2 | ah, then that's the cause |
14:01.00 | CosmicPenguin | jayakumar2: thiere is a 5535/5536 alsa driver, but it wasn't build against 2.6.13 |
14:01.02 | chouimat | morning |
14:01.08 | jayakumar2 | out of curiosity, are you based in longmont? |
14:01.11 | CosmicPenguin | I am |
14:01.16 | jayakumar2 | oh cool |
14:01.33 | jayakumar2 | i worked briefly together with tim morneau |
14:03.45 | CosmicPenguin | jayakumar2: when did you submit your ide patch? |
14:04.16 | jayakumar2 | CosmicPenguin, about a week back |
14:04.54 | jayakumar2 | and then a 2nd cleanup sometime yesterday night longmont time |
14:05.08 | jayakumar2 | it's on linux-ide |
14:05.49 | jayakumar2 | CosmicPenguin, http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-ide&m=112832700817260&w=2 |
14:06.21 | CosmicPenguin | Ok - I'm going to push ours up too |
14:06.39 | CosmicPenguin | I'm not trying to offend you, I just want to make sure we have a good discussion |
14:06.48 | jayakumar2 | no worries |
14:07.00 | CosmicPenguin | I do appreciate your help |
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14:07.06 | jayakumar2 | we should merge the work as much as possible |
14:07.10 | CosmicPenguin | jayakumar2: do you need anything from AMD? |
14:07.39 | jayakumar2 | you mean like hardware wise? |
14:07.50 | CosmicPenguin | anything |
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14:15.20 | prpplague | very very interesting, anyone remember me telling about the sa-1100 based device i built in removable drive bays? |
14:16.12 | prpplague | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6461444445.html |
14:16.21 | prpplague | i really should start patenting my ideas, hehe |
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14:18.37 | jbevren | prpplague: this isnt new |
14:18.52 | jbevren | Total Impact has been doing 5.25" form factor bay units with PPCs |
14:19.38 | prpplague | jbevren: but with the core of the system in the removable tray? |
14:19.47 | jbevren | oh the CORE's in a tray? nice. |
14:19.52 | jbevren | I'm getting to reading it now |
14:20.03 | prpplague | jbevren: yea |
14:20.08 | jbevren | looks like the drive's in the tray by the pics, so I was confused :) |
14:20.18 | jbevren | 595 in qtu 1k :( |
14:20.25 | jbevren | I want one for my winbox |
14:20.27 | jbevren | external fw :) |
14:21.21 | prpplague | jbevren: uh wait, no you are right, re-reading it looks that only the hd is removable |
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14:21.46 | prpplague | jbevren: my proto was a completely removable system |
14:21.58 | jbevren | prpplague: ah, like my IFT SanNet controllers |
14:22.11 | jbevren | the cpu and interface cores can slide out hot |
14:22.15 | prpplague | jbevren: the top of the cause even had a lcd/ts |
14:22.22 | prpplague | s/cause/case |
14:22.29 | jbevren | prpplague: a drop-down door? |
14:23.06 | prpplague | jbevren: hehe, well the production model would have, but the prototype just had a lcd as the top |
14:23.19 | jbevren | ah |
14:23.20 | jbevren | cool |
14:23.26 | jbevren | well, better get to patent'ing :) |
14:23.31 | prpplague | jbevren: hehe |
14:23.48 | jbevren | now that youve mentioned it publicly on irc, in a channel where several corps are :) |
14:23.53 | prpplague | i wish it was cheaper to do |
14:24.22 | prpplague | jbevren: hehe, thats the thing, i really don't care about the $$ part its more of the recognition |
14:24.33 | jbevren | heh |
14:40.29 | prpplague | ~quote scox |
14:40.45 | chouimat | hi prpplague |
14:41.14 | prpplague | chouimat: hey hey |
14:45.34 | CosmicPenguin | anyone know of a good app to strip whitespace? |
14:45.41 | jbevren | sed |
14:45.42 | CosmicPenguin | trailing whitespace? |
14:46.01 | jbevren | no really |
14:46.02 | CosmicPenguin | but I guess he's right |
14:46.07 | jbevren | something like um |
14:46.10 | jbevren | I'm bad at regex |
14:46.24 | jbevren | s/ * $//g ? |
14:46.29 | prpplague | tr |
14:46.34 | CosmicPenguin | seriously - you need to be smacked |
14:46.38 | jbevren | tr can do trailing whitespace? |
14:46.41 | jbevren | cosmic? |
14:46.42 | prpplague | hehe |
14:47.11 | prpplague | jbevren: not easily |
14:48.25 | jbevren | hey I was right |
14:48.33 | jbevren | sed 's/ * $//g' test.txt |
14:48.34 | jbevren | :> |
14:49.21 | jbevren | maybe |
14:49.44 | CosmicPenguin | That works |
14:49.47 | CosmicPenguin | doesn't get tabs |
14:49.50 | jbevren | hm |
14:49.51 | CosmicPenguin | but thats ok |
14:49.58 | jbevren | add a \t :) |
14:50.00 | jbevren | shrug |
14:50.07 | jbevren | or pipe it through expand |
14:51.39 | jbevren | me too |
14:51.42 | jbevren | that was just dumb luck |
14:51.42 | prpplague | hehe, i saw danny glover over the weekend |
14:51.43 | jbevren | hehe |
14:56.25 | jbevren | leet |
15:00.04 | MonMotha | gogo process creation overhead |
15:00.33 | MonMotha | I really need to find a better way to do this that doesn't involve spawning thousands of processes every second |
15:01.30 | prpplague | argh i'm lost without my broadband |
15:01.41 | MonMotha | stuck on a dialup? |
15:02.52 | prpplague | MonMotha: yea, adsl is down, not getting in rx packets |
15:03.43 | prpplague | i don't have much experience with the debugging of adsl/dsl |
15:04.38 | prpplague | i'm getting line sync, but nothing beyond that, so i suspect that the line is good and that its probably the device on the other end thats got a problem |
15:04.59 | MonMotha | prpplague: yup. The upstream line on their DSLAM is probably dead or similar |
15:05.08 | prpplague | speak of the devil, its just came up |
15:05.20 | prpplague | brb |
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15:07.07 | prpplague | wahoo |
15:16.42 | jbevren | sorphin: Found our lovely cpu on a compactpci card |
15:16.44 | jbevren | heh |
15:19.54 | jbevren | wonder if I could fire this up without a backplane. |
15:19.55 | jbevren | heh |
15:21.40 | CosmicPenguin | jayakumar2: btw - I've been to KL before, and its a very nice place |
15:29.12 | sorphin | jbevren: eh? |
15:30.35 | jbevren | sorphin: just rambling on.. its a 3u cpci board with everything needed to make an XTerminal :) |
15:30.48 | jbevren | ebay for 'inova' |
15:38.31 | sorphin | nod |
15:39.04 | CosmicPenguin | I was bidding for some dual AMD 1U servers, but the price too high |
15:39.04 | sorphin | ok |
15:39.05 | CosmicPenguin | oh, well |
15:39.08 | sorphin | 249 items :P |
15:39.22 | CosmicPenguin | bad my typing is |
15:39.23 | sorphin | jbevren: care to narrow it a bit more? |
15:39.24 | jbevren | two are in computers :) |
15:39.43 | jbevren | 5814226717 |
15:39.50 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
15:39.57 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: inova is also the name of a disc golf maker... :) |
15:40.21 | sorphin | and an LED flashlight maker |
15:41.03 | sorphin | jbevren: ah.. neat |
15:41.11 | sorphin | my traffic gear should be arriving today |
15:41.26 | sorphin | newer controller than th other one i bought.. the backplane, load switches |
15:41.31 | sorphin | flashers |
15:41.33 | sorphin | woo |
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16:01.28 | kergoth | hey mindfunk |
16:01.37 | kergoth | mornings = evil |
16:01.45 | prpplague | ~whaleslap kergoth |
16:01.47 | ibot | ACTION slaps kergoth upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
16:01.50 | kergoth | ow |
16:02.03 | prpplague | kergoth: morning crack baby |
16:02.23 | prpplague | you might be having a bad day if........ |
16:02.40 | prpplague | you are eating welbutrin pills like tic-tacs |
16:03.56 | kergoth | hehe |
16:07.37 | mindfunk | kergoth: hola |
16:08.09 | mindfunk | mornings are especially evil when you have a sick child |
16:08.20 | mindfunk | I should be used to the lack of sleep by now |
16:09.34 | kergoth | :\ |
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16:15.31 | sorphin | mallum: wotcher mr allum |
16:15.37 | sorphin | TimRiker: moin mr timmyu |
16:15.39 | sorphin | -u |
16:23.54 | mallum | hey hey sorphin |
16:31.17 | CosmicPenguin | Ok - code going upstream |
16:31.59 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: much better than piss downstream |
16:33.14 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: http://www.barbadosadvocate.com/NewViewNewsleft.cfm?Record=23012 |
16:33.28 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i know you like cycling |
16:33.43 | CosmicPenguin | heh - cool |
16:33.47 | CosmicPenguin | cdm would like that too |
16:34.44 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, gloria estfan was suppose to be on the island last weekend |
16:35.00 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: they had a cuban cultural fest |
16:36.39 | sorphin | file: there ya go |
16:36.48 | sorphin | mallum: alright mate? |
16:37.24 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: did you see that the PIC went on sale in the US? |
16:37.31 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: did you ever get yours, by the way? |
16:38.14 | mallum | sorphin: yeah, and you ? |
16:38.32 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hell no |
16:38.39 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: they keep giving me the run around |
16:39.23 | sorphin | mallum: nope.. hell week of many weeks started today for me at work |
16:40.27 | Lethal | jbevren, that's a really bad way to trim trailing white space, something like s/[ \t]*$// is more what you want, at least with any sensible version of GNU sed. |
16:42.30 | TimRiker | http://www.eink.com/kits/ - $3000 e-ink/gumstix kit |
16:42.44 | Lethal | jbevren, your version missed tabs and single spaces ;) |
16:44.02 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: bastards |
16:44.15 | CosmicPenguin | Now, there's a toy worth having |
16:44.42 | kergoth | oho |
16:44.44 | kergoth | er, ooh |
16:47.12 | jbevren | Lethal: I think I mentioned it missing spaces. :) Thanks for the update |
16:47.17 | jbevren | s/spaces/tabs/ |
16:47.33 | Lethal | jbevren, yeah, probably. I didn't read that far. ;) |
16:49.52 | Lethal | besides, sed is only fun when you can find an excuse to use branching. |
16:52.34 | jbevren | heh |
16:56.01 | file | ugh I swear these SunOS boxes will be the death of me |
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18:08.23 | mindfunk | file: j/c what is wrong with them (other than they are expensive, the parts are lots of money, and they run a proprietary OS)? |
18:08.50 | file | I can't get them to use the public key for authentication on SSH |
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18:09.20 | mindfunk | that does suck |
18:10.01 | file | I copied the exact same authorized_keys file from one working box to another, and it doesn't work |
18:10.07 | file | and verified that it's enabled |
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18:24.49 | Genesis | bonsoir |
18:25.41 | Lethal | CosmicPenguin, I see what you mean about the license tags, doesn't seem like anyone has flamed you yet.. ;) |
18:28.38 | Lethal | CosmicPenguin, also lots of the hw_random.c changes look superfluous. the ifdef around the enum for instance? or the pciid table? |
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18:30.08 | Lethal | the read/write routines are also using a variable for seemingly no reason, at least geode_data_read/present() don't need val for anything. |
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19:17.44 | prpplague | ahh much better |
19:17.51 | prpplague | got some headphones for the desk |
19:18.54 | CosmicPenguin | See how bad we suck? |
19:20.04 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ?? |
19:20.19 | CosmicPenguin | Did you see slashdot? |
19:20.36 | prpplague | uh no been out purchasing a new switch, the other one died |
19:21.28 | Lethal | CosmicPenguin, the PIC thing? |
19:21.30 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: nothing like groovesalad with a good set of headphones |
19:22.29 | CosmicPenguin | Lethal: yes - from the bottom of my heart, I apologize |
19:22.35 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ?? i still don't understand |
19:22.43 | Lethal | CosmicPenguin, heh, ironically it follows an announcement of the 770 being delayed. that's not my fault though ;) |
19:23.27 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: the comments in the article are exactly accurate |
19:23.53 | Lethal | the 770 comments are largely incompetent. no surprise given the audience. |
19:24.34 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ok guess i'm brain dead |
19:30.36 | Lethal | CosmicPenguin, what's the demographic for the PIC? |
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19:30.50 | CosmicPenguin | In the other parts of the world, people below the poverty line |
19:31.01 | CosmicPenguin | here, I guess kids and parents who don't want to deal with messing with software |
19:31.54 | Lethal | doesn't sound like an overly profitable demographic ;) |
19:32.00 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: assuming you can get your hands on one |
19:32.07 | CosmicPenguin | well, its not about profit, at least in the third worlds |
19:32.16 | CosmicPenguin | but the profit is nice |
19:32.23 | prpplague | Lethal: unless you really think about how little it costs amd to build the unit |
19:32.26 | CosmicPenguin | because its embarassing how much this board acutally costs |
19:32.32 | CosmicPenguin | or rather, how little |
19:32.43 | Lethal | it's an interesting idea at least. perhaps you'll have better luck than the ill-fated simputer ;) |
19:32.56 | CosmicPenguin | I don't know how ill fated the simputer is - it was just quiet |
19:33.17 | CosmicPenguin | I think the PIC did as well as the simputer in India - they don't seem to crow about their successes |
19:33.39 | prpplague | simputer failed in several ways, first the hardware was based on EOL products, second they needed to ramp up production to a large number quickly and they never could do that |
19:35.13 | Lethal | indeed. AMD is likely in much better shape for ramp up costs and general volume ;) |
19:35.26 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: looks like your geode patches are getting a shave and a haircut |
19:35.42 | CosmicPenguin | Its good for them |
19:36.12 | Lethal | andersee, compared to the other 2 useless threads on l-k at the moment, anything is better. |
19:36.39 | andersee | heh |
19:37.20 | Lethal | that's just mind boggling |
19:37.33 | Lethal | clearly he's never used oskit. he's already demonstrated a complete lack of comprehension on a multitude of other things. |
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19:38.26 | andersee | Lethal: but he must know everything -- after all he _did_ design an encryption algorithm |
19:38.53 | Lethal | andersee, indeed. he sure puts people in their place well ;) |
19:39.08 | Lethal | andersee, I'm sure martin is terrified of google at this point ;) |
19:41.04 | andersee | "I'm the leader, everybody follow me now!" "Come on guys, follow me!" "I guess none of you are smart enough to realize you should be following me?" |
19:41.11 | Lethal | hehe |
19:41.24 | andersee | usually followed by "Fine, then I'm taking my marbles and going home" |
19:41.41 | Lethal | andersee, it's a good thing he has his broad range of kernel contributions to back up his points. oh wait ;) |
19:46.02 | Lethal | andersee, still, the adaptec thread isn't that different in terms of tone and general usefulness. |
19:46.54 | CosmicPenguin | hehehehe! |
19:47.37 | Lethal | which is pretty amusing, since the adaptec thread seemed like a pretty natural continuation of hans demanding reiser4 inclusion. |
19:48.15 | andersee | I figured Hans just changed his name and the name of what he was trying to foist on the world |
19:49.13 | Lethal | andersee, I don't think so, luben hasn't threatened to sit down and make someone read his code yet. |
19:49.31 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: oh i sure missed my groovesalad, it sure improves my productivity, hehe |
19:50.22 | CosmicPenguin | heh, I haven't listened to it lately |
19:50.27 | Lethal | andersee, ironically andre seems to be one of the most rational posters in that thread. how the hell that works out I don't know ;) |
19:52.04 | andersee | had to happen eventually I suppose |
19:52.47 | Lethal | still a pretty amazing accomplishment |
19:57.07 | Lethal | CosmicPenguin, 16-byte cacheline size on x86? that's pretty surprising. |
20:08.31 | CosmicPenguin | Its an old ass processor |
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20:10.53 | Lethal | CosmicPenguin, so most of the focus now is on alchemy stuff? |
20:11.35 | CosmicPenguin | no |
20:11.41 | CosmicPenguin | Its about half and half |
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20:46.05 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: http://www.linuxdevices.com/cgi-bin/board/UltraBoard.pl?Action=ShowPost&Board=100&Post=689&Idle=0&Sort=0&Order=Descend&Page=0&Session= |
20:46.10 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: that sound like AMD? |
20:47.11 | CosmicPenguin | Nope |
20:47.16 | CosmicPenguin | thats either Sun or IBM |
20:47.18 | CosmicPenguin | probably sun |
20:47.20 | prpplague | ahh |
20:54.54 | CosmicPenguin | I don't think we have a Toronto site |
20:55.04 | CosmicPenguin | and of course, like Sun and IBM, we often share the same cities... :) |
20:55.28 | TimRiker | anyone every changed the alt-sysreq-foo keystrokes to something else? Any way to do that without a recompile? |
20:55.36 | CosmicPenguin | But Boulder is either IBM which has 5000 employees north of Boulder, or Sun which has a site east of boulder |
20:55.47 | CosmicPenguin | Plus boulder just bought out StorageTek, which was based in that area |
20:56.01 | CosmicPenguin | And by boulder, I mean sun |
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20:59.20 | osofete | what can go wrong with public key authentication? busybox grants me access to sftp but not to ssh |
21:00.39 | prpplague | osofete: i'd think we;'d need a little more info to help you out |
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21:02.12 | prpplague | osofete: first of all, which busybox app is the one "granting" you access |
21:04.51 | osofete | prpplague: now that I recall, right now, I can't just blame busybox- when not using public keys, I am given a shell |
21:05.14 | osofete | when using pk, the thing just seems to block |
21:05.42 | osofete | I have seen some ssh traffic going between the hosts anyway |
21:05.44 | prpplague | osofete: you need to explain you setup, what you want to accomplish, and then whats not working as expected |
21:06.46 | osofete | Once I get all that I'll have it solved :) Thank you prpplague |
21:06.55 | osofete | exit |
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21:07.34 | prpplague | jeeze |
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21:50.16 | CosmicPenguin | its so true |
21:50.20 | CosmicPenguin | we're lame |
21:51.05 | CosmicPenguin | (Gratuitious simpsons refrence) |
22:08.02 | MonMotha | ibot seen timriker |
22:08.08 | ibot | timriker is currently on #botpark #linuxfund #ol #bzflag #utah #debian-bots #elinux # #fossfund #classiccmp |
22:08.14 | MonMotha | bah, no idle time? |
22:13.12 | CosmicPenguin | He's a busy man |
22:13.25 | MonMotha | indeed |
22:13.35 | MonMotha | anyone have a memory map of the DCT5000? |
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