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| 03:11.06 | sorphin | cdm: evenin chris |
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| 03:22.19 | cdm | hey sorphin |
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| 13:03.58 | sorphin | prpplague: lo |
| 13:04.04 | prpplague | yo |
| 13:04.38 | sorphin | sup hillbilly? |
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| 13:07.31 | ade|desk | oh bugger the people the other side of the pond have woken |
| 13:08.01 | prpplague | sjhill: hey hey crack baby |
| 13:08.17 | prpplague | ade|desk: "beware the yanks" |
| 13:08.50 | ade|desk | they come over here, steal our women.... |
| 13:08.55 | prpplague | hehe |
| 13:11.07 | sjhill | ade|desk: and your beer |
| 13:11.15 | ade|desk | 9 hours 48 mins till hand in time |
| 13:11.57 | ade|desk | sjhill: they dont drink beer, only larger .. they are welcome to that |
| 13:12.37 | sorphin | ~lackeyslap sjhill |
| 13:12.39 | ibot | ACTION slaps sjhill around like the lackey they are. |
| 13:12.48 | jbevren | nooooooooooooooooooo~~ |
| 13:12.50 | jbevren | :) |
| 13:12.58 | sorphin | jbevren: ok vader |
| 13:13.13 | sorphin | ade|desk: cider and black :) |
| 13:13.14 | jbevren | actually I was thinking of the girl at the end of Scary Movie |
| 13:13.21 | jbevren | although she was more like |
| 13:13.23 | sorphin | jbevren: ah |
| 13:13.30 | jbevren | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO*smashed by car* |
| 13:13.37 | sorphin | jbevren: ok file |
| 13:13.46 | jbevren | also hi |
| 13:14.13 | jbevren | he's a pretty fair musician |
| 13:14.20 | sorphin | anyone here happen to have lego mindstorms? |
| 13:14.21 | sorphin | heh |
| 13:14.50 | prpplague | ade|desk: good point most yanks only drink beer that is yellow |
| 13:15.02 | sorphin | beer |
| 13:15.03 | sorphin | blech |
| 13:15.27 | ade|desk | and tastes the same after its been drunk |
| 13:16.10 | sorphin | ade|desk: had cider and black before? |
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| 13:16.53 | sorphin | GPSFan: moin |
| 13:17.02 | sjhill | hey sorphin |
| 13:17.05 | ade|desk | yup when i was a first year, but we normal had 1/2 cider 1/2 beer and a touch of black |
| 13:17.09 | GPSFan | morning, dan |
| 13:17.24 | sorphin | ade|desk: ah, this was no beer, just cider and black |
| 13:17.55 | sorphin | sjhill: what's up mr lackey? |
| 13:18.06 | ade|desk | try with the beer, gives it a bit more erm tick i think is the best way to put it |
| 13:18.17 | sorphin | uh |
| 13:18.19 | sorphin | ok.. |
| 13:18.20 | sjhill | sorphin: a cold unfortunately |
| 13:18.21 | ade|desk | s/tick/kick |
| 13:18.39 | sorphin | ade|desk: i found it extremely sweet |
| 13:18.51 | ade|desk | sorphin: you can then move on to the 'purple blob' |
| 13:18.51 | sorphin | sjhill: ah, got a MIPS bug eh? |
| 13:19.01 | ade|desk | lol |
| 13:19.05 | sorphin | ade|desk: the what? |
| 13:19.41 | ade|desk | purple blob, 1/2 cider 1/2 beer, touch of black and then 2 shots of vodka |
| 13:19.58 | sorphin | hmm |
| 13:20.14 | ade|desk | the vodka sits at the bottom, so after you drink the rest you get a real extra hit at the end |
| 13:20.36 | ade|desk | use wisely |
| 13:20.40 | sorphin | ade|desk: my fav combo seems to be variations of a mixture of baileys, disarrono, kahlua and sometimes smirnoff (vodka) |
| 13:20.49 | sorphin | kinda a twist on a white russian i guess |
| 13:21.29 | ade|desk | pure of icecream and you have a good dessert that women like too |
| 13:21.48 | ade|desk | pour even |
| 13:21.58 | sorphin | usually has icecream or atleast ice in it |
| 13:22.10 | sorphin | better w/ icecream |
| 13:22.14 | ade|desk | dYslex1cs are uS |
| 13:22.25 | sorphin | ade|desk: drink more tea |
| 13:22.51 | sorphin | guv |
| 13:22.53 | ade|desk | ah good point .... |
| 13:23.06 | sorphin | hehe |
| 13:23.13 | sorphin | the easy way to distract any brit |
| 13:23.17 | sorphin | mention tea time |
| 13:23.18 | sorphin | ;) |
| 13:23.58 | jbevren | ade|desk: lysdexics untie! |
| 13:26.17 | jbevren | rawr! |
| 13:26.22 | sorphin | you're gonna want to disinfect your mouth after that |
| 13:26.26 | sorphin | that dude doesn't bathe |
| 13:26.34 | jbevren | hehe |
| 13:26.34 | sorphin | or wear deoderant apparently |
| 13:26.44 | jbevren | youve met him or heard stories? |
| 13:26.56 | prpplague | http://theepicenter.com/tow02077.html |
| 13:26.57 | sorphin | from all the video i've seen, him running around like a monkey boy w/ sweat pools under his arms |
| 13:27.22 | sorphin | prpplague: cool |
| 13:27.37 | jbevren | deodorant doesnt stop sweat |
| 13:27.39 | jbevren | just fyi |
| 13:27.40 | prpplague | sorphin: might try that soon |
| 13:27.44 | jbevren | :) |
| 13:27.44 | sorphin | jbevren: someone took his developers speech and nother video and made a song of it |
| 13:27.55 | sorphin | jbevren: i know.. i meant antiperspirant |
| 13:27.58 | jbevren | ah |
| 13:27.59 | jbevren | see, |
| 13:28.02 | sorphin | but deoderant is shorter |
| 13:28.06 | jbevren | I dont use AP cause I stink when I do :) |
| 13:28.12 | sorphin | uh |
| 13:28.14 | jbevren | so I use deodorant and put up with sweat :P |
| 13:28.22 | sorphin | AP usually has deoderant in it |
| 13:28.25 | jbevren | ap = stink do = no stink |
| 13:28.28 | jbevren | nod |
| 13:28.29 | jbevren | shrug |
| 13:28.30 | sorphin | heh |
| 13:28.33 | sorphin | weird |
| 13:28.34 | jbevren | its strange heh |
| 13:28.59 | jbevren | besides, fat ppl have no gap in their pit for air passage, so sweat just gets trapped and never evaps |
| 13:29.02 | jbevren | but anyway |
| 13:29.04 | jbevren | WE NEED ANOTHER TOPIC PLZ |
| 13:29.07 | jbevren | :-D |
| 13:29.10 | sorphin | heh |
| 13:29.13 | sorphin | ok |
| 13:29.26 | sorphin | who votes for banning sjhill from any MIPS contact for life? |
| 13:29.29 | sorphin | raise your hand |
| 13:29.34 | jbevren | hehe |
| 13:29.39 | jbevren | want sjhill to go batty do ya? |
| 13:29.46 | sorphin | jbevren: go? |
| 13:29.50 | jbevren | I vote we move him to arm |
| 13:29.52 | sorphin | he's long past batty |
| 13:29.53 | sjhill | i'd live longer |
| 13:29.56 | jbevren | or worse, x86 |
| 13:29.59 | sjhill | oo |
| 13:30.04 | sjhill | i hate x86 |
| 13:30.04 | sorphin | jbevren: or ppc |
| 13:30.08 | sjhill | ppc would be great |
| 13:30.12 | sjhill | arm would suck less than x86 |
| 13:30.12 | sorphin | or... |
| 13:30.16 | jbevren | ppc's not so bad, you can change your endianness |
| 13:30.25 | jbevren | hmm look its some LE cod |
| 13:30.25 | jbevren | e |
| 13:30.30 | sorphin | sparc |
| 13:30.31 | sjhill | jbevren: and you can on arm and mips too dufus |
| 13:30.44 | jbevren | sjhill: you cant change on mips on the fly (?) |
| 13:30.56 | sorphin | uh |
| 13:31.03 | sorphin | who says? |
| 13:31.04 | jbevren | something gave me that impression |
| 13:31.07 | sjhill | well, maybe not |
| 13:31.23 | jbevren | I was reading something about the BE vs LE debate some time ago, dont ask me where since its been ages |
| 13:31.27 | sorphin | sjhill can |
| 13:31.35 | sorphin | but he's a MIPS master |
| 13:31.38 | jbevren | and I think it was mentioned that (at least r5k) can only switch once |
| 13:31.49 | jbevren | maybe MIPS4 can |
| 13:31.50 | prpplague | sjhill: hey, got a question for ya |
| 13:31.54 | sorphin | sjhill: run |
| 13:31.57 | sorphin | run fast |
| 13:32.05 | jbevren | prpplague: 42. |
| 13:32.14 | sorphin | prpplague: 1 |
| 13:32.24 | sorphin | that's the meaning of life |
| 13:32.25 | sorphin | 1 |
| 13:32.29 | jbevren | ${TRUE};? |
| 13:32.41 | sorphin | or if you're backwards |
| 13:32.46 | sorphin | ${FALSE}; |
| 13:32.50 | prpplague | sjhill: some of these arm chips have internal sram, you ever written/used code that runs from the internal sram and was uploaded via jtag? |
| 13:33.25 | jbevren | I was going to make a SCSI cartridge for my c64 based on an Atmel ARM7 |
| 13:33.32 | jbevren | bytebanged scsi :) |
| 13:33.42 | prpplague | sorphin: ? |
| 13:33.57 | sorphin | prpplague: you always end up working on the weirdest things |
| 13:34.05 | prpplague | jbevren: hehe, i broke down and ordered a c64 dtv |
| 13:34.10 | sorphin | that make you pull the hair you don't have out |
| 13:34.29 | prpplague | sorphin: method to the madness, these are ways for me to learn |
| 13:34.38 | sorphin | heh |
| 13:34.44 | sorphin | whatever sinks your battleship |
| 13:35.46 | prpplague | trying to make up for my lack of formal education |
| 13:35.57 | sorphin | heh |
| 13:36.03 | sorphin | speaking of education |
| 13:36.07 | jbevren | prpplague: have you put a keyboard and drive on it yet? |
| 13:36.09 | Lethal | prpplague, most of the SRAM is memory-mapped, but it may require going through the MMU, in which case your init scripts for the JTAG get a lot more complicated. it's easier to run there though when prototyping some loader and trying to init the bus controller. |
| 13:36.17 | sorphin | prpplague: missy is now formally a graduate student |
| 13:36.19 | sjhill | prpplague: nope |
| 13:36.28 | prpplague | jbevren: just ordered it monday, hasn't arrived yet |
| 13:36.30 | sjhill | prpplague: i haven't touched arm in like 6 years |
| 13:36.32 | jbevren | ah |
| 13:36.35 | jbevren | you can get 'em from KB |
| 13:36.37 | sorphin | heh, lethal's still alive? |
| 13:36.37 | jbevren | or, |
| 13:36.38 | sorphin | wow |
| 13:36.38 | jbevren | could. |
| 13:36.46 | Lethal | sorphin, to some extent ;) |
| 13:36.49 | prpplague | Lethal: actually i'm running on an arm7tdmi so no mmu |
| 13:36.52 | jbevren | I want a second edition DTV |
| 13:37.00 | Lethal | prpplague, even easier then ;) |
| 13:37.06 | sorphin | c64 |
| 13:37.07 | jbevren | they can swithc pal/ntsc on the fly, and have better support for the undocumented 6502 opcodes |
| 13:37.07 | sorphin | heh |
| 13:37.09 | sorphin | never had one |
| 13:37.13 | prpplague | jbevren: yea the schematics for v2 are now available |
| 13:37.19 | jbevren | atari eh? |
| 13:37.21 | jbevren | 8bit or 16? |
| 13:37.26 | sorphin | atari 800xl |
| 13:37.27 | prpplague | this will be my first c64, hehe |
| 13:37.28 | sjhill | oo |
| 13:37.44 | sorphin | no |
| 13:37.48 | sorphin | you were just a z80 dave |
| 13:37.54 | sorphin | :) |
| 13:37.55 | prpplague | hehe |
| 13:38.01 | sorphin | sjhill: no wonder you're so sick |
| 13:38.10 | sjhill | i had the piggybacked ram and everything 64KB baby! |
| 13:38.15 | sorphin | bah |
| 13:38.17 | sorphin | 64k |
| 13:38.18 | jbevren | I occasionally get interested in cp/m systems |
| 13:38.24 | sorphin | no one'll ever need that much ram |
| 13:38.25 | jbevren | and shop ebay pretending I'm going to buy one |
| 13:38.26 | jbevren | lol |
| 13:38.30 | sjhill | had the floppy drive too |
| 13:38.39 | prpplague | i still want to get some ppl together to do a arm port for uzi |
| 13:38.39 | sorphin | sjhill: ditto on the atari |
| 13:38.45 | jbevren | I got a trs80 system once |
| 13:38.48 | prpplague | so that it can run on the lpc series chips |
| 13:38.50 | jbevren | had some under-monitor expansion thing |
| 13:38.55 | jbevren | and 4 floppy drives |
| 13:38.59 | jbevren | it never worked :( |
| 13:39.07 | Lethal | prpplague, what JTAG are you using? I have some scripts for lauterbach for running some debug code out of SRAM on OMAP 2420. |
| 13:39.11 | sorphin | jbevren: that's why they were called Trash-80s |
| 13:39.16 | jbevren | sorphin :) |
| 13:39.28 | jbevren | I had a m16 for a while running trsdos off a 8" drive |
| 13:39.36 | sorphin | ah |
| 13:39.39 | sorphin | 8" floppy |
| 13:39.39 | jbevren | but I really liked my cdc system, dont remember its model |
| 13:39.43 | jbevren | 1.4M on a 8" disk |
| 13:39.46 | sorphin | a place my mom worked |
| 13:39.49 | sorphin | had one of those |
| 13:39.55 | prpplague | Lethal: i have about 4 i'm tinkering with including lauterbach, but my objective is to be able to use a wiggler to upload some bootstrap code to sram |
| 13:40.00 | sorphin | well after i'd moved on from floppies |
| 13:40.04 | sorphin | it was humorous |
| 13:40.15 | prpplague | http://uzix.sourceforge.net/ |
| 13:40.19 | sjhill | lauterbach |
| 13:40.26 | Lethal | prpplague, should be pretty easy with just about anything if you don't have the MMU to contend with. |
| 13:40.27 | sjhill | wow, what an incredible piece of hardware |
| 13:40.28 | jbevren | prpplague: dont they have a bootstrap loader in their internal flash? |
| 13:40.44 | Lethal | sjhill, it's quite nice for multi-core debugging. |
| 13:40.53 | sjhill | *nod* |
| 13:40.58 | sjhill | i think we have about 6 on order |
| 13:40.58 | sorphin | too much ARM |
| 13:41.13 | Lethal | for instance, if you need to individually debug each core in a multi-core with only one set of JTAG pins out of the package ;) |
| 13:41.22 | sjhill | heh |
| 13:41.42 | prpplague | jbevren: yea, i'm trying to circumvent the flash'd bootloader |
| 13:41.49 | Lethal | BDI2000 still has a nicer interface, though.. |
| 13:41.49 | jbevren | ah. |
| 13:41.51 | sorphin | sjhill: you should bought an A3000 when we all did :P |
| 13:41.59 | jbevren | sorphin :) |
| 13:42.00 | sorphin | sjhill: mmm ppc |
| 13:42.09 | jbevren | mine's still faithfully running asterisk and nat'ing for me |
| 13:42.12 | sjhill | i'm toying with buying a mac mini |
| 13:42.17 | sorphin | sjhill: got one |
| 13:42.18 | jbevren | sjhill: I set up the partitioned mtd driver :) |
| 13:42.21 | jbevren | my first kernel mod |
| 13:42.22 | jbevren | yay |
| 13:42.29 | sjhill | uh, ok |
| 13:42.32 | jbevren | sj: me too (mini) |
| 13:42.38 | jbevren | sjhill: 2.4.19 doesnt have partitioned mtd |
| 13:42.44 | jbevren | so I had to rip off 2.4.20's stuff |
| 13:42.57 | sorphin | jbevren: and gpsfan ported us up to 2.4.31 |
| 13:43.02 | jbevren | nod |
| 13:43.05 | jbevren | I havent rebuilt yet |
| 13:43.05 | sorphin | and fixed a couple serial bugs |
| 13:43.20 | jbevren | you mean like the one where serial stops until you send something? |
| 13:43.33 | sorphin | yeah, that too |
| 13:44.27 | prpplague | sjhill: i though you were doing arm dev for the DoD |
| 13:45.01 | sorphin | uh |
| 13:45.07 | sorphin | sjhill do arm? |
| 13:45.13 | sorphin | on a regular basis? |
| 13:45.15 | sorphin | uh |
| 13:46.14 | sorphin | s/doesn't/hasn't/ |
| 13:46.37 | prpplague | sorphin: btw, how did your sleep study go? |
| 13:47.03 | sorphin | prpplague: it was supposed to be this weekend, but i had to postpone it due to $ (aka, my current insurance won't pay any) |
| 13:47.10 | sorphin | prpplague: i'm sure he is |
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| 13:48.02 | prpplague | Lethal: any other gotchas on working with bootstrap from internal sram? |
| 13:49.18 | Lethal | prpplague, without an MMU and running uncached, not really. |
| 13:49.40 | sorphin | heh |
| 13:50.22 | Lethal | prpplague, though you should check the TRM to see what kind of memory map visibility you have from SRAM, plenty of them can be fairly isolated. but I guess if you are just trying to bring up the bus controller and sdram/ddr interface then it's not an issue. |
| 13:51.38 | prpplague | Lethal: this internal sram seems pretty functional |
| 13:52.35 | Lethal | prpplague, then you shouldn't have any particular issues that I can think of off the top of my head. |
| 13:52.48 | prpplague | Lethal: lovely |
| 13:53.05 | prpplague | Lethal: thanks for the info, i'll let ya know how it turns out |
| 13:53.18 | Lethal | prpplague, I'm working on an arm7tdmi with an MMU (not visible from the ARM7) with 4 banks of SRAM, each behind another co-processor and only accessible with DMA. now _that_'s a world of pain ;) |
| 13:53.45 | sorphin | Lethal: and you love every minute of it |
| 13:53.46 | prpplague | Lethal: yikes sounds that way |
| 13:54.07 | sorphin | Lethal: you know you do.. just like sjhill does with mips |
| 13:54.09 | sorphin | ;) |
| 13:54.12 | Lethal | sorphin, it's an interesting technical challenge at least. ;) |
| 13:54.20 | prpplague | Lethal: ti omap related? |
| 13:54.20 | sorphin | indeed |
| 13:54.27 | Lethal | prpplague, yes |
| 13:54.35 | Lethal | prpplague, 2420 IVA |
| 13:54.42 | prpplague | Lethal: ahh, hehe |
| 13:54.57 | sjhill | i install my dual-opteron motherboard this weekend |
| 13:55.02 | sorphin | heh |
| 13:55.05 | sorphin | sjhill: you suck |
| 13:55.20 | sjhill | yeah i know i suck at being humble |
| 13:55.54 | sjhill | i bought a tyan motherboard, it was expensive, but at least i can upgrade to dual core opterons later on |
| 13:55.55 | prpplague | Lethal: i interviewed at TI for three different OMAP jobs |
| 13:56.04 | Lethal | sjhill, did you get any of those fun multi-threading BCM toys yet? |
| 13:56.11 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: you have go to relax man |
| 13:56.15 | sjhill | Lethal: i'm not sure |
| 13:56.22 | CosmicPenguin | does kergoth have his toys yet? |
| 13:56.23 | CosmicPenguin | No |
| 13:56.27 | sjhill | Lethal: i have the next-generation settop box with dual HD encoder/decoders on it |
| 13:56.35 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: my fastest cpu is a P4 |
| 13:56.37 | sorphin | and it sucks |
| 13:56.41 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: nice on the dual opteron... :) |
| 13:56.49 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: I actually just got a dual dual core boxen up... |
| 13:56.56 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: just trying to keep you employed :) |
| 13:56.57 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: and can I just say... *wow* |
| 13:57.03 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: now i really hate you :P |
| 13:57.06 | sjhill | lol |
| 13:57.08 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 13:57.09 | sorphin | not just dual opteron |
| 13:57.16 | sorphin | but dual dualcore |
| 13:57.16 | sjhill | yeah, i started with that |
| 13:57.20 | sjhill | by accident |
| 13:57.20 | Lethal | sjhill, ah. I just recall what the bcm guys were talking about at OLS, seemed interesting, even though I'm mips-free these days. |
| 13:57.37 | sjhill | Lethal: probably the next-gen 64-bit follow on to the SB1 core |
| 13:57.47 | Lethal | yeah |
| 13:57.57 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: how's your compile time? 2 seconds? ;) |
| 13:58.11 | sjhill | i'm looking forward to seeing how long a complete buildroot takes |
| 13:58.18 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: nah, these things are slow... the kernel took about 82 seconds |
| 13:58.22 | sjhill | hopefully my U160 scsi drives can keep up |
| 13:58.25 | CosmicPenguin | :P |
| 13:58.29 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: bah |
| 13:58.31 | sjhill | heh |
| 13:58.46 | sjhill | sorphin: you can hit him if you want, you have my permission |
| 13:58.56 | CosmicPenguin | It will be interesting to compare a OE build on this box compared to the the plain jane dual opteron |
| 13:59.05 | Lethal | CosmicPenguin, you should try to get anton's scripts for kernel benchmarking. see how many kernels per second your systems can pump out ;) |
| 13:59.07 | sorphin | ~cluebat CosmicPenguin for being a showoff |
| 13:59.08 | ibot | ACTION pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps CosmicPenguin for being a showoff. |
| 13:59.21 | CosmicPenguin | yeah, a little |
| 13:59.37 | CosmicPenguin | but hey, this is the only joy I get from working for this company, so let me have my fun, mkay? |
| 13:59.44 | sorphin | ick |
| 13:59.46 | sorphin | meetings |
| 14:00.24 | sjhill | this should be the last peer review i have to do this week |
| 14:00.25 | sjhill | man |
| 14:00.49 | sjhill | oh, much more demented than that :) |
| 14:00.53 | sorphin | oh crap |
| 14:01.16 | sorphin | sjhill: put down the thermonuclear device |
| 14:01.34 | sorphin | sjhill: and the MIPS toolchain |
| 14:01.41 | sorphin | sjhill: and step away |
| 14:01.44 | sorphin | slowly |
| 14:02.08 | sjhill | heh |
| 14:02.09 | *** join/#elinux CP|Laptop (n=nobody@aus-ext-proxy01.amd.com) |
| 14:02.42 | CP|Laptop | yeah, sjhill has a cool job |
| 14:03.01 | sorphin | CP|Laptop: meetings suck.. you have my sympathy |
| 14:05.51 | prpplague | sjhill: hehe, i think i could have done well doing some of that work as i have the soldier experience, hehe |
| 14:10.46 | chouimat | mornign |
| 14:13.02 | sjhill | prpplague: you probably still could, but not down there unfortunately |
| 14:13.16 | prpplague | sjhill: hehe, no degree |
| 14:24.35 | sorphin | new windows are scheduled to go in wednesday |
| 14:24.35 | CP|Laptop | absolute zero? |
| 14:24.44 | CP|Laptop | sorphin: vista? hehehe |
| 14:26.16 | sorphin | CP|Laptop: no |
| 14:26.30 | sorphin | windows for hte house :P |
| 14:28.32 | sorphin | ack |
| 14:28.40 | sorphin | KDE running on OSX |
| 14:28.47 | sorphin | that's.... wrong, very very wrong |
| 14:29.01 | jbevren | sorphin: I concur. |
| 14:29.05 | jbevren | I remember trying kde once |
| 14:29.07 | jbevren | on jaguar |
| 14:29.11 | jbevren | it froze the gui solid :) |
| 14:29.16 | sorphin | hehe |
| 14:29.25 | jbevren | I had to ssh in and reboot :P |
| 14:29.39 | CP|Laptop | well, kDE is very very wrong anyway |
| 14:29.47 | sorphin | CP|Laptop: so true |
| 14:29.55 | jbevren | yeah, shame rosegarden is a kde app |
| 14:30.00 | sorphin | chouimat: :) |
| 14:33.47 | prpplague | CP|Laptop: you ignoring me? or just have time? hehe |
| 14:33.54 | sorphin | i have to say.. i must be blind, because even w/ /.'s new CSS, etc.. they still look the same, meaning like crap |
| 14:33.58 | prpplague | i/don't |
| 14:34.12 | *** join/#elinux mindfunk (i=mindfunk@lala.ices.utexas.edu) |
| 14:34.20 | CP|Laptop | prpplague: you pinged me |
| 14:34.26 | sorphin | prpplague: did you say something? i was ignoring you *grin* |
| 14:34.39 | CP|Laptop | ? |
| 14:34.42 | Lethal | sorphin, actually it looks much worse. it used to render well in lynx, now it looks like ass. |
| 14:35.01 | sorphin | Lethal: right, cuz lynx won't do css, for obvious reasons |
| 14:35.28 | Lethal | sorphin, yeah, cause css sucks ;) |
| 14:35.35 | prpplague | CP|Laptop: hehe, i /msg'd you a couple of times |
| 14:35.57 | prpplague | CP|Laptop: i need you advice on quoting for a project |
| 14:36.13 | sorphin | hehe |
| 14:36.56 | sorphin | Lethal: lots of things suck |
| 14:37.05 | Lethal | sorphin, yeah, like css. ;) |
| 14:37.46 | sorphin | and Intel (the only exception was the PPro, and their nic chipsets) |
| 14:38.13 | Lethal | I think they did one or two other things right, but I can't think of them off the top of my head. |
| 14:38.36 | sorphin | Lethal: they didn't kill Tulip |
| 14:38.43 | sorphin | amazingly |
| 14:39.03 | *** join/#elinux vrm (n=vrm@145.55.101-84.rev.gaoland.net) |
| 14:39.03 | Lethal | well, i960 wasn't bad either. i960 workstations were though. |
| 14:39.09 | sorphin | i dont' count that in w/ the nic chipset stuff, since it isn't native like the 82558/559 |
| 14:39.24 | sorphin | never used an i960 |
| 14:39.47 | sorphin | their flash isn't bad |
| 14:39.53 | Lethal | almost everyone used them for raid controllers in the 90's |
| 14:40.03 | sorphin | usually |
| 14:40.16 | Lethal | mylex pushed a lot of i960 volume. |
| 14:40.25 | prpplague | yea tons for raid |
| 14:40.32 | sorphin | aMD flash |
| 14:40.39 | sorphin | as much as i like amd |
| 14:40.49 | sorphin | i hate their flash |
| 14:40.53 | Lethal | now we have abominations like OneNAND ;) |
| 14:40.59 | prpplague | sorphin: NOR only? hehe |
| 14:41.17 | sorphin | prpplague: actually, i hate it because it's a whole different way to program it |
| 14:41.41 | sorphin | nooooo |
| 14:41.45 | sorphin | that's too easy |
| 14:42.01 | sorphin | Lethal: OneNAND to rule them all |
| 14:42.02 | sorphin | :P |
| 14:42.13 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:42.28 | Lethal | sorphin, it's tough to beat for density, but programming it is less fun than any number of activities. |
| 14:42.45 | sorphin | Lethal: like underwater basket weaving :P |
| 14:42.58 | sorphin | heh |
| 14:43.01 | Lethal | sorphin, indeed. that actually rates several orders of magnitude higher on the general appeal scale. |
| 14:43.26 | sorphin | whats funny tho |
| 14:43.37 | sorphin | i can source atmel and sst flash easily |
| 14:43.43 | sorphin | intel not only stops sourcing it |
| 14:43.51 | sorphin | they remove all traces of it from their website |
| 14:44.10 | sorphin | when all i want is a GD pinout |
| 14:44.22 | sorphin | so i can verify compatibility w/ a chip that's still around |
| 14:44.29 | Lethal | sorphin, they probably do that preemptively. it's easier to stop sourcing once there is no more demand due to no one being able to find out how the hell to order it. |
| 14:44.54 | sorphin | Lethal: that's fine, but leave the damn specs/pinout |
| 14:45.00 | Lethal | sorphin, google ;) |
| 14:45.02 | prpplague | sorphin: yea NAND is definetly more difficult |
| 14:45.04 | sorphin | i have |
| 14:45.05 | CP|Laptop | prpplague: I'm on my laptop - I'll get your msg when I get back to my office |
| 14:45.16 | sorphin | Lethal: and it didn't help |
| 14:45.22 | Lethal | prpplague, OneNAND == NAND array behind a NOR interface. fun fun fun. |
| 14:45.39 | sorphin | prpplague: something like that |
| 14:45.48 | Lethal | prpplague, they use some crappy SRAM for block prefetching. really lame. |
| 14:46.02 | sorphin | Lethal: then their's intel's strap^Htaflash |
| 14:46.07 | sorphin | there's even |
| 14:46.31 | sorphin | dpeending on the series it (read: older stuff) |
| 14:46.36 | sorphin | it's cake |
| 14:46.41 | sorphin | some of this newer crap |
| 14:46.44 | sorphin | i'm like.. uh... |
| 14:46.48 | sorphin | ok.. |
| 14:46.53 | sorphin | and i program this with what? |
| 14:46.57 | sorphin | doing what? |
| 14:47.08 | sorphin | ok, where's my atmel rep |
| 14:47.26 | prpplague | CP|Laptop: ok thanks |
| 14:47.49 | sorphin | sheesh, only 9:47 |
| 14:47.54 | sorphin | i feel like i've been here longer |
| 14:50.27 | sorphin | anyways |
| 14:55.27 | Lethal | indeed. time to head to the pub. bbl. |
| 14:56.52 | prpplague | Lethal: have a good brew, not some yellow stuff |
| 14:56.54 | prpplague | :D |
| 14:59.02 | sorphin | prpplague: or some nasty bitter brown stuff :P |
| 14:59.06 | sorphin | ;) |
| 15:03.21 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I have no msgs from you |
| 15:03.31 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: are you identified to the freenode engine? |
| 15:04.00 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: uh no i guess thats why |
| 15:04.16 | *** mode/#elinux [+o prpplague] by ChanServ |
| 15:05.50 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you get that one? |
| 15:05.53 | CosmicPenguin | yeah |
| 15:05.55 | *** mode/#elinux [+v CosmicPenguin] by ChanServ |
| 15:05.57 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:05.58 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 15:06.05 | CosmicPenguin | now it was my turn to not be registered |
| 15:06.30 | kergoth | blehhhh |
| 15:06.35 | kergoth | ~mornings |
| 15:06.37 | ibot | Mornings MUST be destroyed! (see also http://www.destroymornings.com/) |
| 15:14.14 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: fyi |
| 15:14.20 | sorphin | you can set a flag w/ nickserv |
| 15:14.25 | sorphin | to accept msgs from non identified |
| 15:14.32 | sorphin | i've never gotten spammed |
| 15:14.34 | sorphin | so i set it |
| 15:16.41 | kergoth | hmmm, http://www.hipac.org/ looks interesting |
| 15:16.49 | kergoth | http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-netdev&m=105712410808905&w=2 |
| 15:26.42 | prpplague | kergoth: are you using hermit with your snapgear build system? |
| 15:28.03 | kergoth | dont even know what hermit is :) |
| 15:30.27 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:30.46 | prpplague | looks like a combo of shoehorn and hermit is what i need for my jb dev |
| 15:30.57 | CosmicPenguin | yeah, I make up words too |
| 15:31.01 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:31.02 | kergoth | * rici just had an insight: XML is the Assembler of the new web generation |
| 15:31.02 | kergoth | <rici> and appeals to exactly the same macho masochism |
| 15:31.57 | prpplague | http://www.bluemug.com/~miket/arm/arm.html |
| 15:35.32 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin / kergoth neat little method of getting initial code on devices |
| 15:35.42 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin / kergoth mainly for devices with no jtag |
| 15:42.12 | sorphin | heh |
| 15:43.59 | sorphin | ok, i know atleast one of you are guilty.. who has an epia? |
| 15:44.24 | ade|desk | oh dear , mate of mine just rm'rd him 600 gig xfs array... no backups |
| 15:44.31 | kergoth | eek |
| 15:45.02 | sorphin | ade|desk: d'oh |
| 15:45.26 | ade|desk | he just stormed off icq and is heading for the pub to get very very ratarsed! |
| 15:45.30 | sorphin | i remmber back in the day when i'd rm -fr *, thinking i was in /tmp... i wasn't.. i was in / |
| 15:45.42 | sorphin | i caught it |
| 15:45.43 | ade|desk | ouch |
| 15:45.45 | sorphin | but lost 1/2 |
| 15:46.11 | sorphin | ade|desk: bout the only thing i'll give ext2 |
| 15:46.14 | sorphin | is ext2undelete |
| 15:46.16 | sorphin | works |
| 15:46.22 | sorphin | when i've used it anyways |
| 15:46.33 | ade|desk | i know nothing about xfs |
| 15:46.39 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: I have an epia... :) |
| 15:47.07 | sorphin | ade|desk: xfs when it's gone it's gone |
| 15:47.19 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: and which side of the fence are you on? |
| 15:47.23 | sorphin | i see haters |
| 15:47.24 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 15:47.26 | sorphin | and lovers |
| 15:47.31 | sjhill | sorphin: yeah, that's why i'm migrating to ext3 from xfs |
| 15:47.32 | CosmicPenguin | well, officially I hate em |
| 15:47.38 | CosmicPenguin | because thats my job |
| 15:47.42 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: right |
| 15:47.55 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: and you want officially everyone to Geode |
| 15:48.08 | CosmicPenguin | but unoffically, its the only mini-itx platform I can have shipped over night for about a hundred bucks |
| 15:48.10 | CosmicPenguin | so........ |
| 15:48.14 | sorphin | heh |
| 15:48.23 | sorphin | how's it do? |
| 15:48.32 | CosmicPenguin | its ok |
| 15:48.38 | CosmicPenguin | your typical low power x86 platform |
| 15:48.42 | sorphin | sjhill: heh, i went from ext3 to xfs |
| 15:48.48 | sjhill | sorry CP |
| 15:48.54 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 15:48.57 | sorphin | sjhill: ext3 was pointless.. why even journal at all |
| 15:49.05 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: prepare to be disappointed... :) |
| 15:49.10 | sorphin | sjhill: it just corrupts the damn journal |
| 15:49.22 | sjhill | sorphin: i should be more specific, ext3 is my system stuff, all my files and things i care about are xfs |
| 15:49.30 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: where's a damn AMD cheap mini ITX? :P |
| 15:49.36 | sorphin | sjhill: ah |
| 15:49.49 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: HD audio in hardware, encryption in hardware, etc. |
| 15:50.02 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: man, I ask that question every day |
| 15:50.03 | sjhill | Geode doesn't have those afaiks |
| 15:50.03 | sorphin | sjhill: </fantasy> |
| 15:50.07 | *** join/#elinux jbevren (n=jbevren@dumt-02-164.dsl.netins.net) |
| 15:50.14 | jbevren | bah. |
| 15:50.15 | sjhill | sorphin: that's in the specs |
| 15:50.17 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: yeah, but the encryption is really just a bunch of BS - its a shell game |
| 15:50.24 | sjhill | hmm |
| 15:50.30 | sjhill | what about 5.1 audio in hw? |
| 15:50.34 | sorphin | heh |
| 15:50.39 | CosmicPenguin | HD audio in hardware is nice, but the AU1200 has that... :) |
| 15:50.49 | sjhill | oh |
| 15:50.51 | sorphin | ya know |
| 15:50.59 | sorphin | i need to write a filter |
| 15:51.00 | sjhill | can you tell i haven't had time to play with it? :) |
| 15:51.04 | jbevren | ok |
| 15:51.12 | jbevren | everyone see if you can spot where my isp screwed up just now |
| 15:51.13 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: let me be more precise - that particular board you have doesn't have it, but we could easily hook in the codec |
| 15:51.14 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:51.14 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:51.14 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:51.16 | jbevren | :) |
| 15:51.16 | sorphin | that filters the world Alchemy or the letters AU w/ a number :) |
| 15:51.17 | CosmicPenguin | It being I2S and all |
| 15:51.22 | jbevren | what's wrong with this picture :P |
| 15:51.32 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: ah |
| 15:51.39 | sorphin | jbevren: your gateway is on a diff subnet |
| 15:52.04 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:52.22 | jbevren | sorphin: theyre claiming theyre not sending me that netmask |
| 15:52.23 | jbevren | lol |
| 15:52.29 | jbevren | so I told them I'm going static till they fix it |
| 15:52.31 | sorphin | uh huh |
| 15:52.40 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: sicko |
| 15:52.47 | prpplague | jbevren: dsl line? |
| 15:52.47 | jbevren | I told them exactly whats up heh |
| 15:52.50 | jbevren | nod |
| 15:52.52 | jbevren | NetINS.net |
| 15:52.55 | sorphin | i'm always static :P |
| 15:53.04 | prpplague | jbevren: i'm having problems with my adsl at home |
| 15:53.05 | sorphin | when i moved |
| 15:53.13 | sorphin | they tried to put me on "Sticky Static" |
| 15:53.20 | jbevren | hehe |
| 15:53.20 | sjhill | g'day gents |
| 15:53.21 | sorphin | a PPPOE assigned "static" |
| 15:53.23 | sjhill | have a good weekend |
| 15:53.26 | sorphin | sjhill: cya |
| 15:53.27 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: take it easy |
| 15:53.29 | prpplague | jbevren: stupid c&w can't seem to understand that its nothing to do with the line, its there authentication thats failing |
| 15:53.32 | jbevren | I dont mind a static ip assigned via dhcp |
| 15:53.35 | jbevren | thats what I use at home |
| 15:53.40 | sorphin | jbevren: this isnt' dhcp tho |
| 15:53.42 | sorphin | it's pppoe |
| 15:53.45 | sorphin | and if |
| 15:53.50 | jbevren | pppoe is kinda dhcpish hehe |
| 15:53.52 | sorphin | the ppoe does down |
| 15:53.56 | sorphin | you lost your gateway |
| 15:53.57 | jbevren | so you want raw eth? |
| 15:54.05 | jbevren | ours is raw eth |
| 15:54.10 | jbevren | no ppoe bs |
| 15:54.13 | sorphin | right now, i'm bridged to SBC |
| 15:54.15 | jbevren | I have no idea why they use ppoe anyway |
| 15:54.21 | jbevren | aside from not knowing how to route networks :) |
| 15:54.23 | sorphin | and they steal 1 ip |
| 15:54.25 | sorphin | for their end |
| 15:54.31 | sorphin | what i WANT |
| 15:54.37 | sorphin | is them to route to me |
| 15:54.58 | sorphin | i'm a bridged connection |
| 15:55.00 | sorphin | anyways |
| 15:55.05 | sorphin | when i moved |
| 15:55.07 | prpplague | jbevren: virtually all of the carib uses PPPoA |
| 15:55.08 | sorphin | and stuff wasn't working |
| 15:55.21 | sorphin | i had a nice chat w/ Tier 2 management |
| 15:55.37 | sorphin | still didn't work for a week |
| 15:55.39 | sorphin | come to find out |
| 15:55.46 | sorphin | someone listened to me it seems |
| 15:55.53 | sorphin | while me and the tech were trying to get sticky working |
| 15:55.55 | sorphin | someone |
| 15:55.59 | sorphin | did a manger override |
| 15:56.03 | sorphin | and put me back legacy static |
| 15:56.07 | sorphin | manager even |
| 15:56.25 | jbevren | haha |
| 15:56.28 | jbevren | I mailed the NOC |
| 15:56.30 | sorphin | jbevren: you pppoe your gateway address |
| 15:56.32 | jbevren | they mailed back (less than 5min) |
| 15:56.39 | jbevren | thanks for catching it! we fixed it just now. |
| 15:56.40 | jbevren | lol |
| 15:56.45 | sorphin | and then the rest of the block is yours |
| 15:56.50 | sorphin | if you lose ppoe |
| 15:56.51 | sorphin | pppoe |
| 15:56.54 | sorphin | you lose everything |
| 15:56.56 | jbevren | yeah |
| 15:57.00 | sorphin | atm |
| 15:57.02 | sorphin | i don't lose anything |
| 15:57.05 | sorphin | well |
| 15:57.09 | sorphin | unless ATM drops :P |
| 15:57.09 | sorphin | heh |
| 15:57.12 | jbevren | you lose access, but not the connection states? |
| 15:57.41 | sorphin | w/ sticky, i'm routing through a pppoe server |
| 15:57.45 | sorphin | so technically i have my routing |
| 15:57.55 | sorphin | but i don't trust a pppoe server |
| 15:58.00 | sorphin | whereas |
| 15:58.02 | sorphin | now |
| 15:58.10 | sorphin | i'm straight through the dslam and redback |
| 15:58.27 | sorphin | anyways |
| 15:58.42 | jbevren | nod |
| 15:58.45 | sorphin | 175ms |
| 15:58.48 | jbevren | .168 |
| 15:59.01 | jbevren | 77ms over network |
| 15:59.03 | jbevren | :) |
| 15:59.09 | sorphin | heh |
| 15:59.13 | sorphin | i can't ping you directly |
| 15:59.22 | sorphin | icmp echo blocking? |
| 15:59.47 | jbevren | yeah |
| 15:59.51 | sorphin | bah |
| 15:59.53 | jbevren | its the only icmp I block |
| 16:00.01 | jbevren | mwahahah |
| 16:00.26 | sorphin | heh |
| 16:00.52 | sorphin | so you block UDP too :P |
| 16:01.05 | sorphin | high port |
| 16:01.11 | jbevren | heh |
| 16:01.15 | jbevren | I block invalid connections |
| 16:01.18 | jbevren | tracert udp is invalid |
| 16:01.22 | sorphin | i tracerouted |
| 16:01.26 | sorphin | heh |
| 16:01.28 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: another storm brewing off the coast of africa |
| 16:01.29 | sorphin | you're odd |
| 16:01.42 | jbevren | invalid-state connections are potential risks |
| 16:01.51 | sorphin | Hurricane Plague |
| 16:01.52 | jbevren | hijacking, network stack attacks etc |
| 16:02.02 | sorphin | jbevren: you forget what field i work in |
| 16:02.05 | sorphin | :P |
| 16:02.06 | jbevren | hehe |
| 16:02.09 | jbevren | naw, I just like to bs. |
| 16:02.58 | sorphin | and there's port 22 |
| 16:03.07 | sorphin | jbevren: any alarms going off yet? ;) |
| 16:03.24 | jbevren | naw, I dont bother with that |
| 16:03.38 | jbevren | peopel that log firewalls are just dillusional and paranoid |
| 16:03.46 | sorphin | heh |
| 16:03.47 | jbevren | the only thing I log is ssh attempts |
| 16:04.01 | jbevren | and isp's that attempt to log in as admin get their entire netblock dropped |
| 16:04.02 | sorphin | jbevren: up 10.712 days huh? |
| 16:04.05 | jbevren | nod |
| 16:04.07 | jbevren | power outage |
| 16:04.21 | jbevren | this is the ppc btw |
| 16:04.30 | sorphin | well |
| 16:04.40 | sorphin | it just withstood a full syn scan :P |
| 16:04.48 | jbevren | yay |
| 16:04.49 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: yeah, I saw that |
| 16:04.54 | CosmicPenguin | two well defined waves |
| 16:04.57 | jbevren | how'd you get the uptime btw? |
| 16:05.08 | sorphin | jbevren: normal timing btw, i could do insane ;) |
| 16:05.14 | sorphin | jbevren: nmap |
| 16:05.22 | sorphin | jbevren: mini flood |
| 16:05.25 | jbevren | hehe |
| 16:05.29 | sorphin | Device type: general purpose |
| 16:05.29 | sorphin | Running: Linux 2.4.X|2.5.X |
| 16:05.29 | sorphin | OS details: Linux 2.4.0 - 2.5.20, Linux 2.4.18 - 2.4.20 |
| 16:05.30 | sorphin | Uptime 10.712 days (since Mon Sep 12 17:58:28 2005) |
| 16:05.30 | sorphin | TCP Sequence Prediction: Class=random positive increments |
| 16:05.30 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:05.32 | sorphin | IPID Sequence Generation: All zeros |
| 16:05.40 | jbevren | what swtiches did you use :P |
| 16:05.48 | sorphin | nmap -P0 -v -sS -O 207.199.248.164 |
| 16:05.57 | jbevren | ahh -O eh? |
| 16:06.03 | sorphin | OS detection |
| 16:06.03 | jbevren | it should survive Tinsane |
| 16:06.11 | jbevren | feel free to try |
| 16:06.49 | sorphin | jbevren: cooked on that drive bay where they since the 12v and 5v lines? :) |
| 16:07.06 | sorphin | sink even |
| 16:08.07 | sorphin | heh |
| 16:08.12 | *** join/#elinux jbevren (n=jbevren@dumt-02-164.dsl.netins.net) |
| 16:08.20 | jbevren | doh :) |
| 16:08.27 | sorphin | ? |
| 16:09.38 | sorphin | ha |
| 16:09.46 | sorphin | jbevren: it took 1 second longer using -Tinsane |
| 16:13.35 | jbevren | dunno maybe you knocked me off irc |
| 16:13.42 | jbevren | doubt it, but I lost connections to both efnet and freenode |
| 16:14.00 | sorphin | heh |
| 16:14.05 | sorphin | :) |
| 16:15.48 | *** join/#elinux toi (n=peter@d54C27A14.access.telenet.be) |
| 16:16.04 | sorphin | jbevren: try hitting port 25 on 70.249.196.82 |
| 16:19.25 | jbevren | um |
| 16:19.26 | jbevren | why :) |
| 16:19.46 | sorphin | Sep 23 11:19:35: %SEC-6-IPACCESSLOGP: list 102 denied tcp 207.199.248.164(34105) -> 70.249.196.82(25), 1 packet |
| 16:19.53 | sorphin | :) |
| 16:20.04 | jbevren | yay firewall logging |
| 16:20.10 | sorphin | just on your entry |
| 16:20.12 | sorphin | :P |
| 16:20.20 | jbevren | hehe |
| 16:20.30 | sorphin | i have... *counts* |
| 16:20.51 | sorphin | not counting yours |
| 16:20.54 | sorphin | 170 blocks |
| 16:21.04 | sorphin | of which |
| 16:21.34 | sorphin | 34 are for each public host |
| 16:22.57 | file | today is turning out to be too productive |
| 16:23.00 | sorphin | 80,135,137,138,139,443,445,1023,1025,1026,1027,1029,1080,1433,2100,2745,3140,4899,5000,5554,6129,9898,17300 then 9 udp ports |
| 16:23.03 | sorphin | heh |
| 16:23.20 | file | noooooooooooo ok |
| 16:23.41 | sorphin | preemptively even |
| 16:23.54 | sorphin | hmm |
| 16:24.08 | sorphin | i think for lunch today will be my usual friday lunch.. since this is the last week i can have it |
| 16:24.29 | sorphin | sesame chicken, steamed rice, 2 crab rangoon |
| 16:27.24 | sorphin | Vishnu? |
| 16:27.33 | sorphin | chouimat: not KDE v2 ? :P |
| 16:29.22 | jbevren | hmm |
| 16:29.32 | jbevren | sorphin: any suggestions for sending routes over ppp? |
| 16:29.50 | jbevren | (for vpn, I dont want to defaultroute my lan over the vpn hookup) |
| 16:30.04 | sorphin | right |
| 16:30.35 | jbevren | The servers I'm accessing are on public networks, but you have to go through the vpn server (also on public net) to get to admin ports |
| 16:30.48 | sorphin | ah |
| 16:30.48 | jbevren | the easy method is to defaultroute on the vpn. I dont wanna. :P |
| 16:30.55 | sorphin | uh |
| 16:31.01 | sorphin | why can't you route/gateway ? |
| 16:31.02 | sorphin | i.e. |
| 16:31.09 | jbevren | currently, I wget a known list of servers and parse with a shell script to add routes |
| 16:31.22 | jbevren | I just dont want my entire lan's traffic to go over the vpn |
| 16:31.27 | sorphin | i know |
| 16:31.29 | sorphin | chill |
| 16:31.30 | sorphin | :P |
| 16:31.44 | jbevren | :) |
| 16:32.00 | sorphin | well |
| 16:32.02 | jbevren | so anyway, I didnt know if there was some way to have pptpd pass the routes over the line |
| 16:32.11 | sorphin | heh |
| 16:32.24 | jbevren | the current setup 'works'. |
| 16:32.25 | jbevren | :) |
| 16:32.26 | sorphin | pppd? not that i'm aware of |
| 16:32.28 | kergoth | heh. have the machine on each end proxyarp? :P |
| 16:32.43 | jbevren | kergoth: that defaultroutes heh |
| 16:33.03 | jbevren | besides, last thing i want is 4000000 arp entries in my cache |
| 16:33.05 | jbevren | j/k :) |
| 16:33.09 | sorphin | jbevren: well |
| 16:33.26 | sorphin | not that i'd use pppd for a vpn :P |
| 16:33.35 | jbevren | we use pptp (shrug) |
| 16:33.40 | jbevren | it works witht he windows lusers |
| 16:33.44 | sorphin | but, can't you just treat the vpn server as a gateway? (but not a default gw) |
| 16:34.00 | jbevren | I do, for a specific list of IPs |
| 16:34.13 | sorphin | i.e. route add 192.168.0.1 gw vpn.server.addr.here |
| 16:34.17 | jbevren | the question is whether or not the host end of the vpn can send me these routes instead of me setting them 'manually' |
| 16:34.27 | jbevren | nod.. route add destbox dev ppp0 |
| 16:34.41 | sorphin | jbevren:heh |
| 16:34.46 | sorphin | i don't do it via device |
| 16:35.01 | sorphin | but if it works that way |
| 16:35.15 | jbevren | it does |
| 16:35.20 | jbevren | I could do gw vpnIP |
| 16:35.34 | jbevren | I'm a lazy sob and just installed the webmin pptp client module |
| 16:35.36 | jbevren | :) |
| 16:35.40 | sorphin | heh |
| 16:35.42 | sorphin | well |
| 16:35.48 | sorphin | seeing as our vpn device |
| 16:35.51 | sorphin | is a cisco 3000 |
| 16:35.57 | chouimat | sorphin: it's a cat not a software project |
| 16:36.05 | sorphin | again |
| 16:36.12 | file | eep |
| 16:36.18 | sorphin | chouimat: same difference in your world :P |
| 16:36.22 | kergoth | heh, i have the same issue as jbevren right now. work and home are both 192.168.1.0/24. adding explicit routes that nexthop to the vpn server via the vpn link |
| 16:36.26 | jbevren | sorphin: The question is more of a question of possibility I guess |
| 16:36.39 | jbevren | ppc:~# route -n |wc -l |
| 16:36.39 | jbevren | 112 |
| 16:36.40 | jbevren | hehe |
| 16:36.41 | sorphin | kergoth: i guess i'm lucky |
| 16:36.54 | sorphin | kergoth: our vpn assigns 172.x.x.x |
| 16:37.05 | sorphin | the corp EDN uses 10.x.x.x and 172.x.x.x |
| 16:37.08 | sorphin | not 192 |
| 16:37.20 | sorphin | guess i caught a break that way |
| 16:37.23 | jbevren | 172's a class A? |
| 16:37.27 | jbevren | I thought it was a class B |
| 16:37.31 | sorphin | it's a B |
| 16:37.38 | sorphin | i just don't remember the rest of it |
| 16:37.38 | jbevren | k |
| 16:37.45 | sorphin | i personaly dont' use 172.x addresses |
| 16:37.45 | jbevren | 16 or 17, cant remember which |
| 16:37.47 | jbevren | I dont use it :) |
| 16:37.48 | sorphin | only 192 and 10 |
| 16:37.58 | jbevren | I used to use 10 |
| 16:38.11 | sorphin | jbevren: but as i said |
| 16:38.15 | sorphin | using what you're using |
| 16:38.17 | sorphin | i dunno |
| 16:38.19 | sorphin | but i know |
| 16:38.28 | sorphin | the vpn crap i use |
| 16:38.28 | kergoth | actually, i wonder if DNAT can just modify a single octet in the destination address |
| 16:38.30 | sorphin | throws routes at you |
| 16:38.32 | jbevren | ok |
| 16:38.33 | kergoth | if so, DNAT would be perfect |
| 16:38.36 | jbevren | thx |
| 16:38.43 | kergoth | DNAT traffic going to 192.168.2.x to 192.168.1.x |
| 16:38.50 | kergoth | all stateful and happy |
| 16:39.00 | sorphin | kergoth: i'm assuming you mean dynamic nat :P |
| 16:39.11 | file | I use 192.168.0.x for VPN, 192.168.2.x for LAN, and work is.. 10.100.254.x, and 10.200.x.x |
| 16:39.15 | kergoth | no, DNAT is a netfilter thing. destination |
| 16:39.19 | kergoth | as opposed to SNAT, which is source |
| 16:39.22 | file | too many IPs... |
| 16:39.24 | sorphin | heh |
| 16:39.31 | sorphin | kergoth: never touched it |
| 16:39.39 | sorphin | but i hate NAT, in any form |
| 16:39.41 | sorphin | heh |
| 16:40.26 | chouimat | shit .... my laptop problem is the logic board and it's not covered by the warranty and I won't pay half the laptop price to get it fixed |
| 16:40.53 | sorphin | chouimat: that'll teach you to not buy Dell :P |
| 16:41.03 | chouimat | sorphin: apple |
| 16:41.15 | sorphin | the ibook? |
| 16:41.25 | chouimat | yup |
| 16:41.31 | sorphin | shoulda gotten the powerbook instead ;) |
| 16:41.37 | kergoth | i'm not a fan of nat either, but in this situation, itd be handy |
| 16:41.42 | sorphin | good friend lost an ibook |
| 16:41.50 | sorphin | the powerbooks seem built better |
| 16:41.55 | CosmicPenguin | Linux demursus 2.6.13-gentoo-r2 #1 SMP Thu Sep 22 08:58:27 MDT 2005 x86_64 Dual Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 880 AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux |
| 16:41.55 | sorphin | kergoth: nod |
| 16:41.56 | chouimat | sorphin: the line in the screen is annoying but I can live with it |
| 16:41.58 | CosmicPenguin | duuuuuuuddeeee....... |
| 16:42.09 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: have i mentioned i hate you yet today? |
| 16:42.27 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: how much for one of those? |
| 16:42.41 | sorphin | chouimat: $100,000,000,000 |
| 16:43.07 | chouimat | sorphin: just how much I have to spend before next year taxes report ;) |
| 16:43.21 | sorphin | heh |
| 16:43.31 | *** join/#elinux hufnus (n=slonsiki@DSL135-071.labridge.com) |
| 16:43.38 | sorphin | next year's taxes are gonna be funky |
| 16:43.39 | sorphin | w/ the house |
| 16:43.42 | sorphin | and now the timeshare |
| 16:43.52 | sorphin | major deduction fun |
| 16:46.03 | sorphin | woo |
| 16:53.01 | *** join/#elinux CosmicPenguin (n=nobody@aus-ext-proxy02.amd.com) |
| 16:53.30 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: re |
| 16:53.35 | CosmicPenguin | thanks |
| 16:53.44 | CosmicPenguin | I didn't even know I was gone |
| 16:57.07 | file[laptop] | ...achoo |
| 17:01.37 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: yeah, your peer reset you |
| 17:03.29 | *** join/#elinux TimRiker (n=timr@pdpc/supporter/bronze/TimRiker) |
| 17:03.33 | *** mode/#elinux [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 17:04.07 | CosmicPenguin | proxy smoxy |
| 17:04.25 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you see that storm off the coast of africa |
| 17:04.29 | CosmicPenguin | yeah |
| 17:07.06 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/tropic/real-time/europe/images/xxirmet7n.GIF |
| 17:07.25 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: definettly hot at the center |
| 17:08.16 | CosmicPenguin | There's one just south of bermuda too |
| 17:08.29 | CosmicPenguin | but noaa already has their eyes on that one near the cape verde islands |
| 17:09.21 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh/MIATWOAT+shtml/231517.shtml |
| 17:10.46 | prpplague | hehe my landlord lives in bermuda |
| 17:10.56 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: they don't get hurricanes often |
| 17:11.03 | CosmicPenguin | no |
| 17:20.21 | jbevren | prpplague: how much is rent (if I may ask)? |
| 17:25.04 | prpplague | jbevren: $800USD |
| 17:29.24 | CosmicPenguin | ok, so I understand how to make gdm do XDMCP, but how do I disable it locally? |
| 17:29.57 | CosmicPenguin | oh, I see |
| 17:30.15 | pb_ | later all |
| 17:39.40 | CosmicPenguin | You know, we need the ability to drag tabs to different mozilla windows |
| 17:39.57 | kergoth | yep |
| 17:39.59 | kergoth | thatd be really nice |
| 17:46.43 | prpplague | hmm wonder whats inside this - http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=DIGIMATEII-PLUS&cat=GDT |
| 17:47.35 | *** join/#elinux T`2 (n=total@pdpc/supporter/student/T) |
| 17:48.00 | CosmicPenguin | maybe just an asic |
| 17:48.10 | CosmicPenguin | Doesn't sound like it does too much that requires a processor |
| 17:48.43 | T`2 | moin guys |
| 17:48.46 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmm, lcd support, usb, backup a wide range of cards without a pc |
| 17:49.04 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: granted it could be done with an asic, but that sounds like alot to me |
| 17:49.22 | CosmicPenguin | I guess - but it wouldn't be much of a processor - no mmu, maybe a low end ARM or a SH5 |
| 17:49.32 | prpplague | T`2: greetings earthling |
| 17:49.37 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea |
| 17:49.57 | CosmicPenguin | Watching this beast compile is really kind of mesmerising |
| 17:50.18 | T`2 | prpplague, hows the hurricane down there? any affect? |
| 17:50.29 | T`2 | s/affect/effect |
| 17:50.41 | CosmicPenguin | of course you realize that the gulf of mexico is a gigantic region, right? |
| 17:50.55 | prpplague | T`2: not even close to us |
| 17:51.07 | CosmicPenguin | heh - its closer to us then it is to prpplague |
| 17:51.10 | T`2 | cp, did you see the hurricane satellite pics? |
| 17:51.15 | T`2 | lol i c |
| 17:51.25 | T`2 | ok my bad.. i agree i'm an idiot in geography |
| 17:51.55 | CosmicPenguin | not that prpplague isn't in a prime location for hurricanes, mind you |
| 17:51.57 | T`2 | woohoo.. its friday! |
| 18:00.34 | kergoth | ~friday |
| 18:00.35 | ibot | Friday sucks, because it should be the weekend, but you're stuck working anyway. |
| 18:01.14 | file | how the hell did this API call ever work |
| 18:02.13 | prpplague | file: chewing gum, bailing wire, and a whole lot of luck |
| 18:03.23 | sorphin | don't knock the SH5 penguin :) |
| 18:04.07 | CosmicPenguin | I'm not knocking anything |
| 18:04.12 | sorphin | i know |
| 18:04.16 | sorphin | just making sure :) |
| 18:04.20 | CosmicPenguin | cept intel |
| 18:04.22 | CosmicPenguin | but then again, don't we all? |
| 18:04.38 | sorphin | F00F |
| 18:04.51 | sorphin | cuz of a modem... taht still amuses me now that i know that |
| 18:04.55 | sorphin | 1 bit |
| 18:04.56 | sorphin | messed up |
| 18:05.27 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: ya know the 1 good thing about intel? |
| 18:05.47 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: they give AMD someone to learn how not to make certain mistakes from |
| 18:05.56 | sorphin | i dunno if that came out right |
| 18:06.03 | sorphin | they can watch intel make mistakes |
| 18:06.04 | CosmicPenguin | That, and they messed up Itanium so bad, it gave AMD a chance to take the lead |
| 18:06.08 | sorphin | and avoid them |
| 18:06.15 | sorphin | yep |
| 18:06.32 | sorphin | Itanic |
| 18:06.36 | sorphin | heh |
| 18:07.18 | CosmicPenguin | C builds on this machine are almost too fast to read |
| 18:07.26 | CosmicPenguin | but even 4 cores struggles with C++ |
| 18:07.36 | CosmicPenguin | another reason why C++ sucks in general, and g++ sucks specifically |
| 18:07.47 | sorphin | yup |
| 18:08.25 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i had to take c++ for my bachelors |
| 18:08.33 | sorphin | i went in only doing C, picked up C++ in 5 mins |
| 18:08.36 | sorphin | aced the class |
| 18:08.38 | CosmicPenguin | yeah, I had to do my fair share of C++ too |
| 18:08.39 | sorphin | never coded c++ again |
| 18:08.46 | CosmicPenguin | I had to do C++ again with FLTK |
| 18:08.48 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: the fun part |
| 18:08.54 | CosmicPenguin | I see the sense it makes for GUI, but barely |
| 18:08.58 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i'd be done w/ the assignments in 5 mins |
| 18:09.04 | sorphin | the intructor would be like.. |
| 18:09.08 | sorphin | that's not how i want it done |
| 18:09.28 | sorphin | i'd be like, that's nice, but your way also doesn't work that well |
| 18:09.28 | sorphin | heh |
| 18:09.38 | sorphin | man i got him fuming |
| 18:10.10 | sorphin | when i got done, i'd get up and start helping others |
| 18:10.16 | sorphin | he didnt' like that |
| 18:10.18 | sorphin | heh |
| 18:10.18 | jbevren | sorphin: I remember doing that to one of my profs |
| 18:10.23 | jbevren | he was an engineer |
| 18:10.40 | jbevren | asked for a design using an 8088 and a specific flipflop IC |
| 18:11.37 | jbevren | I used another one, and he tried failing me |
| 18:11.37 | jbevren | heh |
| 18:11.37 | jbevren | I got two other profs to compare the designs (blind test after he assembled his) |
| 18:11.37 | jbevren | mine won cause timing was tighter and it could run at higher speeds |
| 18:11.37 | sorphin | :) |
| 18:11.47 | sorphin | mmm hot braised chicken |
| 18:11.49 | jbevren | nothing an 8088 and 2k of SRAM wont teach you :) |
| 18:12.02 | jbevren | he wanted to use 74ls573s for the latches, and I went with 373s |
| 18:12.07 | jbevren | (iirc, the 5xx part was his) |
| 18:12.15 | jbevren | mmm chicken |
| 18:12.21 | sorphin | nod |
| 18:12.31 | jbevren | http://jbevren.net/img/chickenpasta.jpg |
| 18:12.33 | jbevren | mmmmm chicken |
| 18:12.34 | jbevren | :) |
| 18:12.42 | CosmicPenguin | And just to be sure that C++ doesn't suck enough, I also have to deal with QT |
| 18:12.54 | jbevren | CosmicPenguin: gak! |
| 18:12.58 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: heathen |
| 18:13.03 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: QuickTime? |
| 18:13.07 | CosmicPenguin | not my choice |
| 18:13.11 | MonMotha | jbevren: interestingly, the 573 and 373 are supposed to have identical timings, just different pinouts |
| 18:13.12 | sorphin | jbevren: i don't think that it's that everything tastes like chicken |
| 18:13.23 | sorphin | jbevren: i think it's that chicken tastes like everything |
| 18:13.26 | jbevren | sorphin: I also steamed up another prof on an amplifier with a clean gain of 12k |
| 18:13.32 | sorphin | heh |
| 18:13.37 | jbevren | sorhpin: I think its like this |
| 18:13.42 | jbevren | God had all these flavors in his db |
| 18:13.46 | jbevren | squirrel, quail, girls |
| 18:13.50 | jbevren | then his system crashed |
| 18:13.56 | jbevren | the only taste he had left was chicken |
| 18:14.01 | jbevren | lol :) |
| 18:14.36 | jbevren | that said, quail tastes mor elike cornish hens than chicken |
| 18:14.45 | sorphin | uh |
| 18:14.52 | sorphin | what i'm gonna say |
| 18:14.56 | sorphin | i'm not saying in channel |
| 18:15.03 | jbevren | :) |
| 18:15.11 | file[laptop] | ermph |
| 18:16.35 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: then turn off that intel box :P |
| 18:16.41 | sorphin | it's emitting too much heat ;) |
| 18:16.48 | jbevren | :) |
| 18:17.14 | sorphin | jbevren: yeah |
| 18:17.17 | sorphin | but those 2 resistors |
| 18:17.22 | sorphin | are sinking more than 2W :P |
| 18:17.30 | jbevren | hehe |
| 18:17.36 | jbevren | so is my scsi drive |
| 18:17.40 | jbevren | I was talking about the cpu |
| 18:17.42 | sorphin | jbevren: i guess we gave up on clocking them properly? |
| 18:18.52 | jbevren | I guess? |
| 18:18.55 | jbevren | I havent tried heh |
| 18:19.04 | jbevren | if it works, dont fix it? :) |
| 18:19.42 | jbevren | rm -f wall |
| 18:20.04 | sorphin | jbevren: heh, true, however |
| 18:20.07 | file[laptop] | scary |
| 18:20.12 | sorphin | jbevren: my mac mini |
| 18:20.21 | jbevren | nodnod yeahyeah :) |
| 18:20.23 | sorphin | was a 1.34ghz or whatever |
| 18:20.27 | sorphin | it's now at 1.5ghz |
| 18:20.29 | jbevren | 1.2 -> 1.42 |
| 18:20.31 | jbevren | yay 200mhz |
| 18:20.32 | sorphin | and you *can* tell the diff |
| 18:22.05 | CosmicPenguin | only if you think you can |
| 18:22.13 | sorphin | heh |
| 18:28.01 | jbevren | naw |
| 18:28.07 | jbevren | on a g4, a few hunderd mhz will make a diff |
| 18:28.12 | jbevren | especially when youre clocking the bus up too |
| 18:28.15 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:28.55 | jbevren | aha |
| 18:29.05 | jbevren | found a sound card for my project |
| 18:29.13 | jbevren | 8bit pc/104 ess audiodrive |
| 18:31.34 | sorphin | heh |
| 18:32.31 | sorphin | man this is good |
| 18:32.42 | sorphin | it's not realy hot, but the peppers give it a realy good flavor |
| 18:38.55 | jbevren | http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1575411,00.html |
| 18:39.00 | jbevren | guilty until proven innocent |
| 18:39.06 | jbevren | and after proven innocent |
| 18:39.10 | jbevren | treated as guilty |
| 18:39.18 | jbevren | what a lovely world we live in |
| 18:48.42 | prpplague | sorphin: hehe, finally found a smartmedia card reader that provides raw access |
| 18:48.49 | sorphin | prpplague: oh? |
| 18:49.07 | kergoth | man, i love my new phone |
| 18:49.11 | sorphin | prpplague: do tell |
| 18:49.16 | sorphin | kergoth: what now? |
| 18:49.20 | sorphin | +kind |
| 18:49.37 | kergoth | sorphin: http://www.expansys-usa.com/product.asp?code=116371 |
| 18:49.47 | kergoth | just got it yesterday, they finally shipped it |
| 18:50.06 | jbevren | I want a motorola linuxphone |
| 18:50.20 | sorphin | kergoth: um... cool? heh |
| 18:50.55 | kergoth | it is. flip phone, bluetooth, symbian, expandable memory (MMC), unlocked |
| 18:51.01 | fishhead | http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,122653,00.asp |
| 18:51.48 | kergoth | only annoying thing was trying to get my contacts off my old phone onto the sim card or mmc so i could get them to the new one |
| 18:51.56 | sorphin | ya |
| 18:51.58 | prpplague | sorphin: http://alauda.sourceforge.net/wikka.php?wakka=SupportedDevices |
| 18:52.01 | prpplague | sorphin: those two |
| 18:52.08 | sorphin | prpplague: k |
| 18:52.12 | prpplague | sorphin: average price on the net is about $15.00 |
| 18:52.51 | jbevren | why support the device |
| 18:52.59 | sorphin | prpplague: cool |
| 18:53.04 | jbevren | just boycott the thing and use standard blockdevs |
| 18:53.13 | sorphin | jbevren: he needs raw access |
| 18:53.23 | jbevren | 'raw'? |
| 18:53.32 | sorphin | prpplague: you wanna tell him? |
| 18:53.33 | jbevren | shrug |
| 18:53.35 | CosmicPenguin | sigh |
| 18:53.53 | prpplague | actually i think i've already gone over it with jbevren, he's jsut not remembering, hehe |
| 18:53.57 | kergoth | jbevren: most readers apparently have a translation layer of some sort. he needs byte by byte, untranslated access |
| 18:53.59 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: trouble in Dual-Dual-Core land? |
| 18:54.03 | jbevren | ah |
| 18:54.04 | jbevren | right |
| 18:54.05 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: heck no |
| 18:54.21 | jbevren | use an ez-usb? :) |
| 18:54.22 | CosmicPenguin | this thing is the greatest non female thing I've ever had the pleasure of being logged into |
| 18:54.30 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:54.32 | prpplague | jbevren: already working on that too |
| 18:54.36 | CosmicPenguin | jbevren: just assume for a moment, that prpplague knows what he's doing |
| 18:54.40 | prpplague | jbevren: just like to have options |
| 18:54.44 | jbevren | ah |
| 18:54.46 | sorphin | wait |
| 18:54.50 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: wrong assumtion |
| 18:54.52 | sorphin | prpplague knows what he's doing? |
| 18:54.58 | sorphin | taht's a lie |
| 18:55.03 | sorphin | if i've ever heard one ;) |
| 18:55.03 | jbevren | he must |
| 18:55.07 | CosmicPenguin | well, more then say, to pick a name at random, fishhead |
| 18:55.10 | jbevren | he's the one getting away with living on barbados |
| 18:55.22 | sorphin | jbevren: dont' let him fool you |
| 18:55.22 | jbevren | I remember my nephew's friend making fun of me |
| 18:55.26 | jbevren | cause I rarely shave |
| 18:55.29 | jbevren | and have long hair |
| 18:55.29 | sorphin | jbevren: prpplague runs barbados |
| 18:55.35 | jbevren | and was at th time wearing a tattered shirt :) |
| 18:55.39 | jbevren | I told him |
| 18:55.41 | fishhead | > |
| 18:55.42 | jbevren | I get away with being like this |
| 18:55.42 | fishhead | ? |
| 18:55.44 | jbevren | :) |
| 18:55.45 | CosmicPenguin | We actually all live in barbados |
| 18:55.59 | CosmicPenguin | and we're secretly running the embedded linux cabal from the beach |
| 18:56.01 | jbevren | one of us isnt making $xk/year, so shut it :) |
| 18:56.04 | kergoth | sshhh |
| 18:56.14 | jbevren | shh |
| 18:56.18 | jbevren | fi the feds find out.. |
| 18:56.21 | sorphin | i know what davey makes |
| 18:56.26 | sorphin | and it's more than me |
| 18:56.28 | sorphin | sadly |
| 18:56.29 | jbevren | <- a dave too |
| 18:56.32 | sorphin | not you |
| 18:56.33 | sorphin | plague |
| 18:56.45 | sorphin | he's dave #1 |
| 18:56.47 | jbevren | man |
| 18:56.48 | sorphin | you're dave #2 |
| 18:56.52 | jbevren | its hard to get a bamboo flute to play half notes |
| 18:56.54 | sorphin | in more ways than one |
| 18:57.12 | jbevren | oh. I'm on the clock |
| 18:57.15 | jbevren | I should um do somethign work related |
| 18:57.19 | sorphin | right |
| 18:57.24 | sorphin | jbevren: delete more users! |
| 18:57.57 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: so.. how many bogomips? :) |
| 18:58.13 | CosmicPenguin | 4777.19 |
| 18:58.14 | CosmicPenguin | x 4 |
| 18:58.19 | jbevren | sorphin: did 3 today |
| 18:58.20 | sorphin | yep |
| 18:58.22 | sorphin | i hate you |
| 18:58.26 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 18:58.28 | jbevren | that stupid spam ring |
| 18:58.34 | jbevren | sign up, spam, get terminated |
| 18:58.35 | CosmicPenguin | less bogomips then the FX-57 that the guy next to me has |
| 18:58.41 | CosmicPenguin | but then again, he only has one core |
| 18:58.45 | sorphin | jbevren: you saw the googlemaps spam tracking thing, right? |
| 18:58.53 | jbevren | nope? |
| 18:58.54 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: single core is so passe' |
| 18:58.59 | CosmicPenguin | thats sooo January |
| 18:59.21 | sorphin | jbevren: was on /. a few days ago |
| 19:00.04 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: so.. |
| 19:00.18 | jbevren | ah |
| 19:00.20 | sorphin | how does linux show them on boot? on my dual PPro board, it shows #0 then #2 |
| 19:00.23 | jbevren | I dont pay too much attention to /. |
| 19:00.28 | sorphin | dunno why it skips #1 |
| 19:00.44 | jbevren | thus my sharing the tube link to the chan |
| 19:00.49 | jbevren | if I had known it was on slashdot I wouldnt have |
| 19:00.50 | jbevren | :-D |
| 19:00.58 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: no, it shows 0 - 3 here |
| 19:01.03 | CosmicPenguin | You know, that whole 2.6 thing |
| 19:01.12 | sorphin | yeah |
| 19:01.15 | CosmicPenguin | I dare say, 2.4 doesn't know how to count |
| 19:01.21 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:01.24 | sorphin | heh |
| 19:01.45 | sorphin | guy here (pretty sharp too) can't get wine working on 2.6, but 2.4 works flawless |
| 19:01.50 | CosmicPenguin | We have new soda coolers, like they have in stores - with the glass fronts? |
| 19:02.02 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: heh |
| 19:02.05 | CosmicPenguin | anyway, they gave us limited supplies last week to track usage, and the water disappeared in about four days |
| 19:02.16 | CosmicPenguin | so they just filled two of the coolers completely full with water |
| 19:02.29 | CosmicPenguin | Thats just a crapload of bottles |
| 19:02.45 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: time to watercool that dual-dual-core ;) |
| 19:02.47 | CosmicPenguin | The Germans would freak out at the unrecyclablity of it all |
| 19:02.54 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: watch it penguin |
| 19:02.56 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: actually, this thing has two really badass looking fans |
| 19:03.26 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: and probably doesn't come w/ the cpus :P |
| 19:03.36 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.laptops4me.com/product_info.php/products_id/8356 |
| 19:03.45 | CosmicPenguin | Those, only a bit more progressional grade |
| 19:03.47 | sorphin | i learned my lesson w/ the athlon |
| 19:04.21 | sorphin | solid copper base, bout 1/4" thick, w/ aluminum pins out the top |
| 19:04.25 | sorphin | 68cfm fan |
| 19:04.36 | sorphin | whined to all hell pushing that much air |
| 19:04.41 | sorphin | taht stupid athlon |
| 19:04.45 | sorphin | still ran hot |
| 19:05.10 | CosmicPenguin | yeah, because AMD is the company with the head and wattage issues |
| 19:05.15 | CosmicPenguin | </sarcasm> |
| 19:05.18 | sorphin | it was the 3rd of 3 |
| 19:05.28 | sorphin | the 1st 2 lost their magic smoke |
| 19:05.37 | sorphin | 1st was killed by a copper shim that slipped |
| 19:05.56 | sorphin | shorted 2 of those stupid lil traces amd puts on top :P |
| 19:06.26 | sorphin | tho |
| 19:06.31 | sorphin | now i've seen it all |
| 19:06.35 | sorphin | this board someone gave me |
| 19:06.51 | sorphin | the heatsink had thin foam attached (on the northbridge) |
| 19:07.11 | sorphin | to provide standoff so the heatsink wouldn't short the 4 *capacitors* on the top of the chip |
| 19:07.24 | CosmicPenguin | proably a rework |
| 19:07.49 | sorphin | heh |
| 19:07.57 | CosmicPenguin | cheaper then a complete silicon respin |
| 19:08.10 | sorphin | ah |
| 19:08.12 | sorphin | zalman |
| 19:08.15 | sorphin | seen those |
| 19:08.28 | sorphin | when i was looking at a heatsink for something |
| 19:08.31 | sorphin | those just look... |
| 19:08.32 | sorphin | weird |
| 19:09.42 | jbevren | http://jbevren.net/img/hpfans.jpg |
| 19:09.45 | jbevren | THOSE are coolers |
| 19:09.48 | jbevren | soda-can sized |
| 19:09.50 | jbevren | :) |
| 19:09.54 | jbevren | also note the lovely power rails |
| 19:09.59 | fishhead | how much static will a hair dryer yield ? |
| 19:10.20 | jbevren | fishhead: none if you run it while youre in the tub and drop it in the water |
| 19:11.09 | fishhead | <fishhead> drying a wet motherboard |
| 19:11.17 | jbevren | hehe |
| 19:11.24 | jbevren | how'd you get it wet? |
| 19:18.11 | jbevren | 2pm? |
| 19:18.14 | jbevren | nice. |
| 19:18.18 | jbevren | I hsould lunch soon |
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| 21:43.48 | T0mW | well, that was a total failure: cooking a PCB on the electric stove, too much heat and copper seperated from fiberglass |
| 21:44.43 | sorphin | T0mW: doh |
| 21:44.59 | T0mW | well, have to find out somehow |
| 21:45.12 | T0mW | I'm considering a toaster oven |
| 21:46.04 | T0mW | I've got some raw pcb stock to play with, I'm not going to commit good pcb with silkscreen, etc., until I am satisfied with junk boards. |
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| 21:52.22 | black_13 | i am trying to buld busybox using build root and i am getting a lots of "extra linkage" |
| 21:55.25 | CosmicPenguin | extra linkage? |
| 21:55.50 | black_13 | take a look at http://pastebin.com/372394 |
| 21:56.11 | CosmicPenguin | I haven't seen mallum in a while |
| 21:56.58 | CosmicPenguin | black_13: looks like you have library contamination |
| 21:57.22 | black_13 | is that what it should be called "library contamination" |
| 21:58.14 | black_13 | i didnt know what to call it but i knew it would prevent busybox from work correctly (As it doesn when the linux system tries to load busybox init and has a kernel panic) |
| 21:58.54 | black_13 | how do i fix it? |
| 22:00.40 | CosmicPenguin | You need to figure out which library is bringing in libc |
| 22:00.49 | CosmicPenguin | I'm guessing its either libcrypt, libm or libgcc_s |
| 22:01.58 | black_13 | oh crap that doesnt sound fun |
| 22:02.49 | CosmicPenguin | No, I know from experience it is indeed, not fun |
| 22:03.41 | black_13 | i am just going to download the prebuild tool chain and chroot into it |
| 22:13.44 | black_13 | there is more than one way to skin a cat (or penguin) |
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| 22:57.20 | andersee | file[laptop]: ouch |
| 22:59.33 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: those alchemy boards still treating you alright? |
| 23:06.39 | CosmicPenguin | http://flhurricane.com/googlemap.php?2005s18# |
| 23:06.44 | CosmicPenguin | Now, thats just plain cool |
| 23:08.42 | jbevren | very nice, I agree |
| 23:10.59 | T`2 | interesting... their direction prediction's accuracy isn't too bad |
| 23:11.54 | CosmicPenguin | I think thats from noaa |
| 23:12.01 | CosmicPenguin | they have some pretty impressive models |
| 23:12.01 | T`2 | yup |
| 23:12.22 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: they are awesome |
| 23:13.02 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: far better test boards than the crappy broadcom mips boards that clients have sent me |
| 23:15.13 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: good |
| 23:16.04 | CosmicPenguin | We're hopefully going to get some updated code out here pretty soon |
| 23:16.19 | CosmicPenguin | I need to shake loose a resource to update to head |
| 23:19.59 | CosmicPenguin | but not tonight, because its home time |
