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| 13:54.36 | CosmicPenguin | mmmm... finally back in my home timezone |
| 14:10.29 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: back into sync with your world again, eh? |
| 14:11.30 | T0mW | monday monday monday ... |
| 14:11.55 | T0mW | prpplague: awake yet? |
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| 14:15.26 | prpplague | T0mW: yea |
| 14:15.29 | prpplague | T0mW: what up? |
| 14:19.03 | T0mW | prpplague: I'm gonna try that hot plate thing that of sparkfun |
| 14:19.24 | T0mW | prpplague: I've ordered the sqeegee, pot of paste and a stencil |
| 14:19.55 | T0mW | prpplague: all the parts are here, the PCB should be in this week |
| 14:20.37 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: so, happy the storms missed you? |
| 14:20.55 | T0mW | prpplague: Now, I have an 8" element on the electric stove. What I think will work is to put a 8" square aluminum sheet onto that and heat it up to do the reflow. |
| 14:22.02 | T0mW | prpplague: either I'll solder the board or poison myself with the vapors... |
| 14:22.31 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:22.33 | prpplague | T0mW: cool |
| 14:22.47 | prpplague | T0mW: wish i had the money and time to do that kind of experimentationg |
| 14:22.49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea |
| 14:23.02 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: very surprised though |
| 14:23.39 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: nobody knows why storms do what they do |
| 14:23.49 | CosmicPenguin | I suggest just being relieved and hoping no others show up down the pipe |
| 14:26.32 | T0mW | hurricanes: God's crapshoot of life |
| 14:28.38 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: we should be clear for about 2 weeks |
| 14:28.55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: generally a storm will suck enough energy out of the water for about 2 weeks |
| 14:29.21 | T0mW | prpplague: what does that do? make the surf calmer or somthing? |
| 14:29.41 | CosmicPenguin | Its all about the heat in the water, I think |
| 14:29.51 | T0mW | oh, cooler then |
| 14:30.07 | CosmicPenguin | Of course, they're saying that the water is warmer then it has been in a very long time |
| 14:30.13 | CosmicPenguin | which is why the last two years have been so bad |
| 14:30.24 | T0mW | nod |
| 14:30.52 | T0mW | Well, I am about 90 miles inland, never wanted to live on the beach... |
| 14:32.24 | T0mW | anybody here built gcc, gdb for the Abatron BDI-2000? That is the job for the day, try to get it working. |
| 14:32.54 | CosmicPenguin | I saw a GDB build for it just the other day, but I didn't save the page |
| 14:33.14 | T0mW | I wonder if I just couldn't use a crosstools build to work with it? |
| 14:33.49 | T0mW | that just the remote gdb operation is all that is needed for gdb |
| 14:34.04 | T0mW | e.g. gdbserver |
| 14:34.20 | jbevren | re |
| 14:34.23 | jbevren | yawn |
| 14:34.26 | CosmicPenguin | The package I saw made a BDI target |
| 14:34.32 | T0mW | The guys that sold me the Abatron have got a nifty dev ide, for only $4k |
| 14:34.46 | T0mW | gak |
| 14:36.05 | T0mW | ok, well, just dive and see if it works then |
| 14:36.37 | T0mW | if it don't, bang on it til it does, right? |
| 14:37.39 | T0mW | I think Marc Singer has something on his site about building up a gdb setup for the abitron + LPC LHA400 dev board |
| 14:40.45 | prpplague | T0mW: yea its all about the heat from the water |
| 14:40.53 | CosmicPenguin | I need to learn more about how GDB works in that regard |
| 14:41.13 | prpplague | T0mW: yea marc singer has been working with the openjtag ppl on doing a jtag debugger system |
| 14:41.18 | CosmicPenguin | I would like to figure out how to add MSR read to kgdb |
| 14:44.57 | T0mW | prpplague: openjtag as in the source forge project? |
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| 14:49.49 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, #openjtag |
| 14:49.57 | prpplague | T0mW: iirc they have a home page too |
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| 15:05.43 | Crofton | CosmicPenguin, I need to buy a cheap athlon system, any recoemmendations? |
| 15:06.40 | CosmicPenguin | You should be able to roll into a lower end Athlon/64 for not much |
| 15:06.45 | CosmicPenguin | of course, when you say cheap, you mean..... |
| 15:07.06 | CosmicPenguin | And when you say system, do you mean whitebox or something from BestBuy? |
| 15:07.19 | Crofton | hmm |
| 15:07.26 | Crofton | newegg maybe/bestbuy |
| 15:07.43 | Crofton | I don't want to assemble myslef just order a box |
| 15:07.51 | CosmicPenguin | Ahh sure |
| 15:07.54 | CosmicPenguin | Ok, well |
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| 15:08.11 | Crofton | we need to replace a machine here and I want a 64 bit machine to compile our stuff in to see if that breaks it :) |
| 15:09.53 | CosmicPenguin | Over at best buy, you have either eMachines or HP |
| 15:10.18 | CosmicPenguin | The prices are good, but I don't know how you feel about those types of computers |
| 15:10.25 | Crofton | newegg has something called abs |
| 15:10.31 | CosmicPenguin | url? |
| 15:10.34 | Crofton | I have no feelings :) |
| 15:10.44 | CosmicPenguin | Bestbuy has a 4000+ shuttle for 2k |
| 15:10.52 | CosmicPenguin | thats a bit expensive, but a great looking form factor |
| 15:10.54 | Crofton | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16883102642 |
| 15:11.07 | Crofton | I need cheap, don't need monitors |
| 15:11.20 | Crofton | I would be happy with last years model |
| 15:11.24 | CosmicPenguin | OOh - and they have a 3500+ for 1k |
| 15:11.42 | kergoth | theres usually deals on older shuttles, isnt there? i got mine for like $950 or something direct from them |
| 15:11.43 | Crofton | we aren't playing games :) |
| 15:12.24 | Crofton | I just need a box under the desk for web stuff, bugzilla, maybe monotone |
| 15:12.36 | kergoth | ah |
| 15:12.40 | CosmicPenguin | Crofton: you can get a eMachines with 200G and 1G of memory, plus a faster processor for the same price at Bestbuy |
| 15:12.44 | kergoth | well, check dealnews and gotapex |
| 15:12.54 | CosmicPenguin | If you want to do monotone, then you better look for a cray |
| 15:12.54 | kergoth | theres almost always deals on cheap boxes |
| 15:12.58 | kergoth | lol |
| 15:13.05 | Crofton | heh |
| 15:13.06 | kergoth | or kick me until the svn gateway is up |
| 15:13.13 | kergoth | probably be more efficient |
| 15:13.20 | kergoth | ow |
| 15:13.27 | CosmicPenguin | I've been wanting to get a shuttle |
| 15:13.40 | Crofton | I kind of want a distributed soulution so we can screw around locally |
| 15:13.43 | CosmicPenguin | I should jump on to this here super information highway |
| 15:30.24 | Soopaman | anyone playing with OE in OS X? |
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| 16:57.16 | CosmicPenguin | Are you serious? |
| 16:57.31 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: sorta |
| 16:57.59 | CosmicPenguin | You'll never made a dime on anything you submit, you realize that right? |
| 16:58.07 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: and just donate them to that new patent haven group |
| 16:58.09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea |
| 16:58.22 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: mainly to just protect them from companies like m$ |
| 16:58.44 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: just flood the patent office with small patents |
| 16:58.57 | CosmicPenguin | About the time that somebody actually sucessfully defends one of these patents, then I'll be scared |
| 16:59.00 | CosmicPenguin | until then, screw em |
| 17:00.12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, you know symbol has a patent for " a handheld device with a barcode scanner that can be activated with a trigger like device" |
| 17:01.05 | prpplague | kergoth: did you ever get a sharp sl-c3000 to test? |
| 17:02.12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2662474209.html |
| 17:04.42 | CosmicPenguin | sharp has marketing? |
| 17:04.52 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: not in the US |
| 17:04.55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 17:05.01 | CosmicPenguin | Thats as funny as saying AMD has marketing |
| 17:05.46 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 17:06.04 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: sharp is a weird company |
| 17:06.30 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: they have a whole line of arm processors, but yet, they don't even use them in their OWN handhelds |
| 17:11.05 | prpplague | chouimat: don't suppose you watched that "talking to americans" that was on last night |
| 17:12.55 | chouimat | prpplague: hmm? |
| 17:13.32 | chouimat | prpplague: was watching an adult movie called Katrina does New Orleans ... |
| 17:14.34 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:14.52 | prpplague | chouimat: something that was on cbc last night |
| 17:16.34 | chouimat | prpplague: no I was watching family guy ... |
| 17:16.48 | prpplague | chouimat: oh |
| 17:17.20 | prpplague | kergoth: first season of the new dr.who series just started on the island tv network this past saturday |
| 17:17.39 | kergoth | nice, its great |
| 17:17.44 | chouimat | prpplague: new episode ... and it was funny ... the farting scene between peter and micheal moore was hilarious |
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| 19:20.07 | prpplague | jeeze, i can not believe how the US treats citizens who marry non citizens |
| 19:20.12 | prpplague | "Rohrabacher, who championed the change in law, says such cases do not weaken his conviction that anyone found in the United States illegally should be removed. Their families need not be split, he says. |
| 19:20.12 | prpplague | "They can take their families with them when they go," he says. " |
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| 19:23.49 | prpplague | Crofton: hows you INS stuff going? |
| 19:30.20 | cdm-work | mmmmm...INS |
| 19:31.15 | kergoth`food | heh |
| 19:31.17 | kergoth`food | hey cdm-work |
| 19:31.43 | cdm-work | hey man. |
| 19:32.15 | prpplague | cdm-work: INS is imho far worse than IRS and is the most ineffcient and malecious org in america |
| 19:32.24 | cdm-work | yepper |
| 19:32.24 | kergoth`food | cdm-work: nice |
| 19:32.52 | CosmicPenguin | golf club? |
| 19:32.54 | kergoth`food | i'm stuck working on crosscompile issues and html today |
| 19:34.41 | cdm-work | Cosmic - Green Card |
| 19:36.44 | prpplague | these ppl at INS make me see red |
| 19:37.38 | Soopaman | kergoth`food, what html? |
| 19:39.44 | kergoth`food | Soopaman: web configuration interface for linux router type devices at my company |
| 19:42.34 | Soopaman | oh, heh, if it wasn't commercial i'd help you |
| 19:42.45 | Soopaman | been working on an interface like that myself |
| 19:43.06 | CosmicPenguin | Who hasn't? |
| 19:43.57 | Soopaman | you? |
| 19:44.03 | kergoth`food | we need a good framework for such things, otehr than that one .. |
| 19:44.05 | kergoth`food | open source, that is |
| 19:44.15 | kergoth`food | course most companies probably wouldnt go for it anyway, unless they could close source part of it |
| 19:44.15 | CosmicPenguin | Heh - thats one of those things that everybody seems to implement on their own |
| 19:44.18 | kergoth`food | yep |
| 19:44.27 | Soopaman | heheh |
| 19:44.33 | CosmicPenguin | Its easy to think - its just scripts and HTML |
| 19:44.36 | Soopaman | the linksys was an alright start |
| 19:45.03 | kergoth`food | theres quite a bit more to it than that. you need a clean format to hold the config, and a way to import/export the config for backup, and.. |
| 19:45.17 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth`food: and thats the problem... :) |
| 19:45.28 | CosmicPenguin | You start dicking with it and all of a sudden way too much stuff |
| 19:45.39 | CosmicPenguin | so we get lots of crappy implementations instead onf a single good one |
| 19:45.40 | prpplague | http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0764554638/ref=sib_dp_pt/102-0680645-8053731#reader-link |
| 19:46.03 | kergoth`food | CosmicPenguin: heh, something else like that unit test thing that we should do |
| 19:46.05 | CosmicPenguin | Thats gotta be a joke? |
| 19:46.08 | kergoth`food | yet another instance of too much duplication of effort |
| 19:46.18 | kergoth`food | prpplague: haha |
| 19:46.20 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth`food: ssdd |
| 19:46.34 | CosmicPenguin | We all have the same issues, but nobody is willing to step up |
| 19:46.38 | kergoth`food | yeah |
| 19:46.42 | kergoth`food | course stepping up requires time. |
| 19:46.44 | kergoth`food | :\ |
| 19:46.54 | CosmicPenguin | Part of it I think is because many of these issues seem to come naturally to corporate situations |
| 19:47.05 | CosmicPenguin | so even if people do have a solution, they can't share it |
| 19:47.15 | CosmicPenguin | Not many freelance geeks really care about unit testing ALSA |
| 19:47.18 | CosmicPenguin | it either works or it doesn't |
| 19:47.23 | kergoth`food | yeah, thats a good point |
| 19:47.40 | kergoth`food | there are few people who are on both sides of the fence |
| 19:51.38 | prpplague | after 35 minutes on hold, the INS rep finally came back on the line with my info, after i asked what took so long she said, "well we get to you when can, its not like your a first class citizen anyway" |
| 20:10.25 | Crofton | that sounds typical |
| 20:10.35 | Crofton | I am still stuck with expired fingerprints |
| 20:12.29 | prpplague | Crofton: my wife has to go re-do her physical since its been over a year since she did her last one for INS |
| 20:13.30 | CosmicPenguin | physical? What the hell for? |
| 20:14.03 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you can't have any diseases or genetic problems |
| 20:14.50 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: mostly they are looking for infectious stuff, but they screen pretty hard for other things too |
| 20:15.18 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: for women they screen heavily for genetic conditions that could be passed to a child |
| 20:15.35 | CosmicPenguin | To avoid the load on the welfare system, presumably |
| 20:15.50 | CosmicPenguin | the infectious stuff is BS, because these people are by and large already in the country |
| 20:15.58 | prpplague | yea |
| 20:16.00 | CosmicPenguin | they've already infected people, citizen or not |
| 20:16.16 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: they look for the basics like std's, hiv/aids, TB |
| 20:17.00 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: and you'd love the interview |
| 20:17.07 | CosmicPenguin | I hope that they then try to cure the std or TB? |
| 20:17.16 | prpplague | nope |
| 20:17.26 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: if you got it, you X for 3 years |
| 20:17.46 | CosmicPenguin | Just give em some damn penniclin |
| 20:17.46 | prpplague | s/you/you are |
| 20:17.49 | prpplague | you can reapply in 3 years |
| 20:17.55 | CosmicPenguin | if you can be kept out of the country for three years due to a STB, I've got a whole lot of poeple I want to stick on a boat |
| 20:18.00 | prpplague | TB is permanent |
| 20:18.16 | CosmicPenguin | I thought you could put it into remission? |
| 20:18.33 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: thats what i thought too |
| 20:18.49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i couldn't believe some of the questions they asked donna |
| 20:19.10 | CosmicPenguin | Don't we have a statue somewhere that says give us your sick, your poor? |
| 20:19.15 | CosmicPenguin | I thought for sure |
| 20:19.29 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ellis island |
| 20:19.34 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: which is in ruins |
| 20:19.58 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: actually, thats the statue of Liberty, and the last time I looked, she was still around |
| 20:20.03 | prpplague | i had no idea about this crap |
| 20:20.04 | CosmicPenguin | maybe something went down while I was in Germnay |
| 20:20.11 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: oh my mistake |
| 20:21.17 | CosmicPenguin | Heh... :) |
| 20:21.43 | prpplague | hehe, i do recal another statue with the same stuff on one of the immigrantion islands there |
| 20:23.09 | prpplague | it just amazes me how they treat me at INS |
| 20:25.03 | Crofton | heh |
| 20:25.06 | Crofton | they are idiots |
| 20:25.47 | Crofton | I flunk TB tests because of some shot I had when I was a kid |
| 20:26.15 | Crofton | when I went to college the school doctors told me to take some pills, then they told me not to drink |
| 20:26.35 | Crofton | I quit taking the pills and never went back the infirmary :) |
| 20:26.43 | prpplague | yea |
| 20:26.53 | prpplague | Crofton: donna had the same problem |
| 20:27.06 | prpplague | Crofton: we had to get an affidavit saying she had the shot |
| 20:27.11 | Crofton | yeah |
| 20:27.38 | Crofton | apparently they didn't like the size of my reaction to the test |
| 20:28.08 | Crofton | BCG vaccine? |
| 20:28.55 | prpplague | Crofton: something like that i can recall, but it was related to the TB test they did |
| 20:29.07 | Crofton | http://www.cdc.gov/nchstp/tb/pubs/tbfactsheets/250120.htm |
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| 23:38.36 | T`2 | grrr... ctrl, shift not working all of a suddent |
| 23:38.55 | T`2 | anyone know how to reset keyboard handler for x or whatever / |