| 00:07.16 | Soopaman | hey sorphin |
| 00:07.17 | Soopaman | what's up |
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| 01:01.45 | sorphin | Soopaman: nada, you? |
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| 01:35.22 | chouimat | hey sorphin |
| 01:35.56 | sjhill | hey chouimat |
| 01:36.06 | sjhill | ~ibot insult sorphin |
| 01:36.22 | sjhill | that's pretty bad |
| 01:37.04 | chouimat | sjhill: leaving tomorrow |
| 01:37.29 | sjhill | chouimat? |
| 01:37.35 | chouimat | sjhill: for spain |
| 01:37.40 | sjhill | ah |
| 01:37.44 | sjhill | where at? |
| 01:37.47 | chouimat | sjhill: kde conference |
| 01:37.56 | sjhill | ah |
| 01:38.07 | sjhill | put my order in for less hokey icons, okay? |
| 01:38.23 | chouimat | sjhill: and I will spend a few days in Switzerland on my way back |
| 01:38.51 | sjhill | wow |
| 01:39.45 | chouimat | sjhill: will take some picture of the beaches (chicks) in malaga (southern spain) |
| 01:40.05 | sjhill | ah |
| 01:42.01 | chouimat | sjhill: :) |
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| 02:15.53 | f1shhead | m0000 |
| 02:19.49 | f1shhead | I am days away from moving out of this house and to my grandma's where I will have an entire basement and 2 large yards to setup mad scientist projects, I am hoping to eventually blow chippewa off the globe :) |
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| 03:18.10 | jbevren | ffs |
| 03:18.17 | jbevren | asterisk says the phone is online |
| 03:18.19 | jbevren | the phone says its not |
| 03:18.21 | jbevren | lovely |
| 03:18.38 | jbevren | so much for supporting standards |
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| 03:58.01 | sorphin | jbevren: hehe |
| 03:58.14 | sorphin | jbevren: GPSFan was making progress to booting 2.4.31 on the ppc |
| 03:58.28 | sorphin | dunno if he'd told you |
| 03:59.53 | sorphin | jbevren: my latest new toy |
| 03:59.55 | sorphin | http://signalfan.freeservers.com/images/asc8000.jpg |
| 03:59.59 | sorphin | one of those |
| 04:12.09 | jbevren | cool :) |
| 04:14.08 | jbevren | yay |
| 04:18.05 | jbevren | uniden phone |
| 04:18.09 | jbevren | wouldnt get dhcp on the lan port |
| 04:18.15 | jbevren | so I configed it via the pc port |
| 04:18.20 | jbevren | then it said 'disconnected' |
| 04:18.33 | jbevren | changed configs all night, then moved cable back to lan port |
| 04:18.40 | jbevren | dhcp suddenly works there, and we move on to registration error |
| 04:18.41 | jbevren | :) |
| 04:18.46 | jbevren | shrug |
| 04:18.50 | jbevren | it works now |
| 04:38.01 | file[laptop] | I'd say call me, except I'm not at my desk |
| 04:48.34 | jbevren | I can call my landline :) |
| 04:49.07 | jbevren | actually, my landline can call the voip |
| 04:49.11 | jbevren | havent got the reverse yet |
| 04:49.57 | jbevren | duhh.. echo was from calling on speakerphone lol |
| 04:51.04 | jbevren | the only remaining issues are outbound calling (will ask my provider) and the phone's clock is an hour off |
| 04:52.44 | jbevren | and time for rest etc |
| 04:53.00 | file[laptop] | rest? |
| 04:53.03 | file[laptop] | pfft |
| 04:53.26 | jbevren | hehe |
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| 13:07.10 | sorphin | heh |
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| 13:15.21 | prpplague | ho ho ho |
| 13:15.32 | prpplague | *cough* *cough* *cough* *cough* |
| 13:16.23 | jbevren | if you smoke one the cough goes away |
| 13:16.41 | prpplague | just drink |
| 13:16.42 | file[laptop] | I don't know whether this is out for delivery or not... |
| 13:16.54 | prpplague | and i've been only doing that on the weekends these days |
| 13:18.28 | chouimat | hi file[laptop] prpplague |
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| 13:20.14 | file[laptop] | hi hi |
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| 13:24.21 | sorphin | the plague is drying up |
| 13:24.50 | jbevren | sorphin: how goes the signal controller? |
| 13:24.56 | sorphin | prpplague: "how dry i am *hick* how dry i am *hick* nobody knows *hick* how dry i am *hick* *hick*" |
| 13:25.17 | sorphin | jbevren: need to find the damn NEMA pinouts for these connectors |
| 13:25.28 | jbevren | connectors? |
| 13:25.29 | sorphin | like 37 pins per connector or something like that |
| 13:25.34 | jbevren | OH |
| 13:25.36 | jbevren | nod. |
| 13:25.43 | sorphin | jbevren: you looked at the pic right? |
| 13:25.45 | jbevren | yeah |
| 13:25.56 | jbevren | I somehow lost the context of your response :P I know what yorue talking about now |
| 13:26.05 | sorphin | heh |
| 13:26.34 | sorphin | it has a ton of stuff in it, including an MC68B09, and a ton of other chips i dont' have time to look up |
| 13:26.35 | sorphin | heh |
| 13:26.48 | GPSFan | sorphin: jbevren: morning.. |
| 13:26.54 | jbevren | gpsfan |
| 13:26.59 | jbevren | I hear youre making progress on 2.4.31 |
| 13:27.08 | jbevren | respect etc :) |
| 13:27.21 | sorphin | GPSFan: see my new toy? :) |
| 13:27.28 | jbevren | I'm stuck atm using mine for a firewall and voip router, it does well at that |
| 13:27.42 | sorphin | jbevren: oh |
| 13:27.44 | GPSFan | jbevren: a bit, still haven't got the openpic or timers working right. the kernel boots and gets to running init, but crashes. |
| 13:27.45 | sorphin | turns out |
| 13:27.51 | sorphin | jbevren: those pigtails |
| 13:27.54 | GPSFan | sorphin: no ??? ;>) |
| 13:28.14 | sorphin | the small connector, is the same connector that my Orinoco cards use :P (tho they're at the wrong angle :/ ) |
| 13:28.20 | sorphin | GPSFan: 1 mo |
| 13:29.56 | sorphin | GPSFan: http://i6.ebayimg.com/02/i/04/ac/92/13_1_b.JPG |
| 13:29.56 | sorphin | and |
| 13:30.06 | sorphin | http://i21.ebayimg.com/02/i/04/ac/19/a4_1_b.JPG |
| 13:30.12 | sorphin | ASC-8000 |
| 13:31.00 | sorphin | jbevren: damn connector (the pigtail from the Artis) is at 90deg from what i need, since the connector is recessed on the orinoco :( |
| 13:31.56 | GPSFan | sorphin: are you sure about the orinoco card using U.FL? the PCMCIA card uses MC connectors IIRC. only a mini-pci would use U.FL. |
| 13:32.21 | GPSFan | sorphin: wow a trafficlight controller... |
| 13:32.43 | jbevren | sorphin: d'oh. |
| 13:33.49 | sorphin | GPSFan: i looked at an MC-x connector up at gateway |
| 13:33.55 | sorphin | sure looks close to the same if it's not the same |
| 13:34.26 | sorphin | GPSFan: yeah.. lotsa chips i'd have to look up :P, the hard part is finding the damn NEMA pinouts |
| 13:34.54 | sorphin | heh, i like today's dilbert |
| 13:35.12 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin could relate to it after his issues yesterday w/ a diff department |
| 13:36.05 | GPSFan | sorphin: could be that your pigtails were not the same as mine. there are lots of different kinds of smnall connectors out ther. MCX, MMCX, MC, U.FL, SMA, SMB, SMC, and a whole host of others. I've got something with just about every one on it. ;>) |
| 13:36.47 | sorphin | GPSFan: heh |
| 13:37.02 | sorphin | GPSFan: don't happen to have the NEMA pinout do ya? :P |
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| 13:37.35 | file[laptop] | c'mon baby, show me "out for delivery" |
| 13:38.39 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: he'd just get sent back |
| 13:38.42 | jbevren | gzip -9 file |
| 13:38.53 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: today's dilbert reminds me of your fun yesterday |
| 13:39.06 | sorphin | jbevren: nah, gzip2 -9 file |
| 13:39.09 | sorphin | higher compression |
| 13:39.11 | sorphin | :) |
| 13:39.13 | sorphin | erm |
| 13:39.15 | sorphin | bzip2 |
| 13:39.21 | sorphin | ok, i need to go back to bed now |
| 13:39.30 | file[laptop] | that's a good idea |
| 13:39.35 | jbevren | sha1sum file |
| 13:40.11 | prpplague | dd if=/dev/zero of=file |
| 13:40.14 | file[laptop] | :P |
| 13:40.17 | jbevren | doh! hehe |
| 13:40.43 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: hehe - I'm the moron! |
| 13:41.51 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: actually i figured they were |
| 13:42.21 | GPSFan | sorphin: http://www.paonia.com/~kenm/Pix/?dir=images/Connectors |
| 13:42.30 | file[laptop] | 2005/08/2405:49 DIEPPE, NB Item accepted and entered into sortation plant |
| 13:42.43 | file[laptop] | Dieppe is the local sorting center... so close |
| 13:42.52 | CosmicPenguin | sortation? |
| 13:42.55 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: spell sortation |
| 13:43.38 | file[laptop] | sortation isn't a word, I know |
| 13:43.50 | sorphin | talk about a highly fragmented file :P |
| 13:44.35 | sorphin | GPSFan: u.fl looks like it'd fit MC, unless it's just an illusion |
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| 13:45.22 | sorphin | file[laptop]: here we simply call it a hub :P |
| 13:46.56 | file[laptop] | interesting |
| 13:46.57 | sorphin | seeing all the weird stuff people ship.. nice big 150lb strange looking pieces of metal that you can't get around the side of the belt/truck opening, so you have to lift it onto the belt.. that was always fun :P |
| 13:47.04 | GPSFan | very different animals. On the NEMA pinnouts, you might see if your local highway dept uses similar controllers, maybe a tech manual page-or-two might be copyable. |
| 13:50.25 | jbevren | provided you dont get labelled a terrorist for asking for such info |
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| 13:59.17 | GPSFan | sorphin: do you need/want a Orinoco pigtail? |
| 13:59.40 | sorphin | GPSFan: :) |
| 14:00.06 | sorphin | GPSFan: NEMA pinouts are a standard btw, interchangeable between any controller |
| 14:00.13 | prpplague | anyone using wpa EAP-TLS or EAP-PEAP? |
| 14:00.20 | sorphin | eww no |
| 14:00.29 | GPSFan | sorphin: I have a MC (Orinoco) to Male N about 15" long, maybe a trade? |
| 14:01.04 | sorphin | GPSFan: trade for... |
| 14:01.11 | sorphin | dunno wtf i'd have that you'd want |
| 14:01.15 | sorphin | you prolly got more toys than me |
| 14:01.16 | sorphin | heh |
| 14:01.40 | GPSFan | sorphin: how about 2 of your U.FL pigtails? |
| 14:02.02 | sorphin | remind me what an N connector looks like |
| 14:02.09 | sorphin | heh, don't you have 4 already? ;) |
| 14:04.49 | GPSFan | sorphin: http://www.paonia.com/~kenm/Pix/?display=images/Connectors/n.male.jpg&width=800&height=600 |
| 14:05.01 | GPSFan | sorphin: it's what people use on cantennas. |
| 14:05.44 | GPSFan | sorphin: yes, but I need a few more for a project, and the long ones are just too long. I need the short ones. |
| 14:06.15 | sorphin | GPSFan: i've noticed 2 of them are shorter, 2 are longer (on the ones from the ppc) |
| 14:06.15 | sorphin | heh |
| 14:07.49 | prpplague | sorphin: yea, wpa sucks, but it was all the phb's think is good for them |
| 14:08.52 | sorphin | prpplague: ah |
| 14:09.12 | GPSFan | sorphin: http://www.paonia.com/~kenm/Pix/?display=images/Connectors/mcton.jpg&width=816&height=600 |
| 14:10.28 | sorphin | ah |
| 14:10.45 | sorphin | GPSFan: don't have an mc to rpsma do ya? :) |
| 14:11.55 | GPSFan | sorphin: no, just that one, but I could put a rpsma on for you, depending on the sex you wanted. |
| 14:12.37 | sorphin | eh? |
| 14:12.39 | GPSFan | s/sex/gender ;>) |
| 14:12.50 | sorphin | heh |
| 14:12.53 | CosmicPenguin | usually when people say they want to rpsma your sex, its for money.. :) |
| 14:13.06 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: not like we're talking about bytesex.h here |
| 14:13.30 | CosmicPenguin | ya like that endian, don't you, huh? |
| 14:14.33 | sorphin | GPSFan: uh.. whatever you need to hook and antenna onto |
| 14:14.50 | sorphin | GPSFan: which reminds me, still need to call those idiots about the Artix antennae |
| 14:14.53 | sorphin | artis even |
| 14:16.27 | GPSFan | sorphin: oops, I don't have the right kind of rpsma connectors on hand. btw I wouldn't use the ones ones from cognio for that, they aren't much better than what's in the card itself. |
| 14:16.34 | GPSFan | bbl |
| 14:16.51 | prpplague | why is getting help with wireless stuff so difficult? |
| 14:17.18 | prpplague | seems like all the ppl who know about the wireless stuff treat it like black magaic |
| 14:18.10 | file[laptop] | ironically that's what I'm waiting on, an 802.11g router |
| 14:18.35 | prpplague | this wpa eap crap is stupid |
| 14:18.43 | prpplague | they just need a vpn or ssh tunnel |
| 14:18.48 | prpplague | but nooooo |
| 14:19.21 | jbevren | Buzzword Moron(TM) to the rescue! |
| 14:19.57 | jbevren | heh |
| 14:20.10 | jbevren | file: Teeheeeee! (/doughboy) |
| 14:20.47 | f1shhead | prpp |
| 14:20.51 | f1shhead | quick question sire |
| 14:20.53 | f1shhead | sir |
| 14:21.06 | f1shhead | no reason we have to use 8 meg flash right for the juicebox |
| 14:21.18 | f1shhead | I mean for the rom cart hack |
| 14:21.26 | f1shhead | we can use a 2 meg one if it fits the code right ? |
| 14:22.08 | file[laptop] | bah |
| 14:22.18 | file[laptop] | I have to find a place to put it |
| 14:22.44 | file[laptop] | and I just found it |
| 14:22.53 | file[laptop] | I can hide it behind the speaker beside the TV |
| 14:23.08 | sorphin | uhh |
| 14:23.16 | sorphin | yeha, that should help your signal a lot :P |
| 14:23.25 | file[laptop] | well there's not a lot of places to put it |
| 14:23.50 | file[laptop] | yeah that's a biggggg help, twat :P |
| 14:23.53 | sorphin | file[laptop]: you want it somewhere high :P |
| 14:24.12 | file[laptop] | yeah not happening |
| 14:24.29 | sorphin | mount it upsidedown on the ceiling? |
| 14:24.30 | sorphin | heh |
| 14:24.47 | file[laptop] | Parental units would disagree with that :P thus the reason for hiding |
| 14:24.51 | sorphin | heh |
| 14:25.42 | file[laptop] | but first the router needs to come so I can setup WDS |
| 14:26.18 | CosmicPenguin | don't forget to sortation your recyclables |
| 14:27.56 | file[laptop] | hahaha |
| 14:32.14 | prpplague | someone shooooooot meeeeee |
| 14:32.31 | chouimat | prpplague: done |
| 14:32.55 | prpplague | well aparently i had better armor than i thought since i'm still at 5 life points |
| 14:34.25 | prpplague | argh i feel like dog poop sitting on a hot pavement |
| 14:36.05 | chouimat | LOL http://www.askmen.com/jokes/current/index.html |
| 14:36.40 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: melted? |
| 14:39.56 | CosmicPenguin | Does anybody know of websites that say how to format the editor directives for vi and emacs |
| 14:40.05 | CosmicPenguin | you know the ones that live in a text file and say how it should be indented? |
| 14:40.32 | CosmicPenguin | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:40.33 | CosmicPenguin | those |
| 14:45.30 | prpplague | sorry not me |
| 14:45.33 | kergoth_ | CosmicPenguin: heh, for vi, you can stuff any vi command there, afaik |
| 14:45.53 | kergoth_ | ~google for tabs versus spaces |
| 14:46.15 | kergoth_ | gah! |
| 14:47.20 | kergoth_ | its been stabbing back all morning |
| 14:47.32 | sorphin | kergoth: never realy had that much of a prob w/ it |
| 14:47.46 | sorphin | hdds, flash drives |
| 14:48.13 | kergoth_ | sorphin: the main issues i tend to see are with flakiness wrt insertion detection |
| 14:48.13 | sorphin | chouimat: yeah, you don't want someone breaking in and stealing your l33t KDE code ;) |
| 14:48.18 | kergoth_ | i.e. removing/inserting media from a cf reader |
| 14:48.20 | sorphin | kergoth: ah |
| 14:48.26 | kergoth_ | if i yank it from the bus and re-attach, all is well |
| 14:48.29 | sorphin | kergoth: yeah |
| 14:48.29 | chouimat | sorphin: hehe |
| 14:48.39 | sorphin | kergoth: that's not the fault of usb-storage tho |
| 14:48.52 | kergoth_ | well, the windows usb storage drivers work around the quirks in the hardware |
| 14:48.58 | kergoth_ | the linux driver doesnt have that knowledge |
| 14:49.05 | kergoth_ | cant really blame greg k-h for it, but its still annoying |
| 14:49.06 | sorphin | well |
| 14:49.12 | sorphin | one thign to remember |
| 14:49.21 | sorphin | windows doesn't treat it as a SCSI disk eitehr |
| 14:49.29 | sorphin | linux does |
| 14:49.58 | sorphin | well, except vmware tries to, but you can make it ide too, heh |
| 14:50.03 | kergoth_ | dont think thats really the issue though. the problem seems to be with its sense of the insertion/removal events, which would be at the hardware level more than the ide/scsi level, afaik |
| 14:50.26 | sorphin | kergoth: tried removing the card and rescanning the scsi bus tho? |
| 14:50.29 | sorphin | just for kicks |
| 14:50.44 | prpplague | argh this the sickest i've been in ages |
| 14:50.49 | file[laptop] | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:50.58 | sorphin | prpplague: that's what you get for stopping drinking |
| 14:51.09 | prpplague | kergoth_: remember in early 2004 when everyone at TI was sick? |
| 14:51.15 | kergoth_ | heh, yeah |
| 14:51.32 | sorphin | file[laptop]: canada post makes Royal Mail look good :P |
| 14:52.14 | file[laptop] | I guess this isn't out for delivery |
| 14:52.20 | sorphin | tho the usps sucks just as bad... that traffic controller shipped on the 18th, it got here yesterday.. a *2* day trip, took longer than 2 days :P |
| 14:52.28 | sorphin | plus |
| 14:52.31 | sorphin | when i got married |
| 14:52.41 | sorphin | they decided to lose some of the cards w/ giftcards in them |
| 14:52.42 | sorphin | :P |
| 14:52.49 | file[laptop] | eep |
| 14:52.55 | sorphin | yeah |
| 14:53.04 | file[laptop] | well it's like, this is in Dieppe... |
| 14:53.09 | file[laptop] | it should be out for delivery the lazy twats |
| 14:53.14 | sorphin | file[laptop]: so go get it |
| 14:53.19 | file[laptop] | I can't |
| 14:53.27 | sorphin | go up there and demand they give you your router! |
| 14:54.05 | file[laptop] | a package from Taiwan took less time to get here |
| 14:55.02 | sorphin | hehe |
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| 15:14.10 | prpplague | T0mW: ho ho ho |
| 15:14.22 | sorphin | he is not a ho |
| 15:14.25 | sorphin | he's old |
| 15:14.26 | sorphin | but not a ho |
| 15:16.00 | sorphin | T0mW: oh go soak your teeth gramps :P |
| 15:16.36 | T0mW | prpplague: bdi-2000 is headed my way |
| 15:16.43 | prpplague | what gets me about this wpa crap is there is 10 names for one protocol |
| 15:16.47 | prpplague | T0mW: you rocks |
| 15:17.02 | T0mW | ~wpa? |
| 15:17.18 | T0mW | ~kick ibot |
| 15:17.19 | ibot | bugger off sod! |
| 15:17.32 | prpplague | T0mW: http://hostap.epitest.fi/wpa_supplicant/ |
| 15:17.40 | T0mW | ibot: nasty maggot |
| 15:17.47 | prpplague | ibot: wpa is http://hostap.epitest.fi/wpa_supplicant/ |
| 15:17.48 | ibot | prpplague: okay |
| 15:18.28 | T0mW | prpplague: got to teach that child everything, you'd think that it would just listen in an learn stuff, heh |
| 15:18.33 | sorphin | uhh |
| 15:18.42 | T0mW | sorphin: hey what? |
| 15:18.53 | sorphin | prpplague: that's not what WPA is, that's just a linux thing for WPA :P |
| 15:18.56 | T0mW | sorphin: good morning, btw |
| 15:19.20 | prpplague | sorphin: agreed however there is section there that describes what wpa is |
| 15:19.33 | sorphin | prpplague: ok |
| 15:19.47 | sorphin | T0mW: mornin... |
| 15:20.13 | sorphin | T0mW: my new toy: http://i6.ebayimg.com/02/i/04/ac/92/13_1_b.JPG |
| 15:20.18 | prpplague | ibot: forget wpa |
| 15:20.18 | ibot | i forgot wpa, prpplague |
| 15:20.20 | T0mW | what is "WPA": Wireless Protocol Authentication? |
| 15:20.30 | prpplague | ibot: wpa is read the section on wpa at http://hostap.epitest.fi/wpa_supplicant/ |
| 15:20.31 | ibot | okay, prpplague |
| 15:20.54 | T0mW | sorphin: wtf is that thing? |
| 15:21.01 | prpplague | T0mW: phb idea of security |
| 15:21.08 | sorphin | T0mW: WPA is a step up from WEP |
| 15:21.10 | T0mW | prpplague: yeah |
| 15:21.16 | prpplague | T0mW: multi layer authentication for wireless |
| 15:21.18 | sorphin | T0mW: a traffic controller |
| 15:21.37 | T0mW | sorphin: takes then 15 minutes to break instead of the usual 5 |
| 15:22.07 | sorphin | T0mW: i don't even use it |
| 15:22.15 | prpplague | T0mW: yea its worthless |
| 15:22.19 | T0mW | prpplague: we use openvpn |
| 15:22.23 | sorphin | my wireless doesn't even penetrate outside my house :) |
| 15:22.37 | prpplague | T0mW: even cisco tells ppl they should use vpn connection |
| 15:22.57 | T0mW | prpplague: we don't care who uses the wifi where we have it located, they are public access points. |
| 15:23.24 | T0mW | prpplague: and they sit outside the firewall |
| 15:24.23 | T0mW | sorphin: prolly because of the aluminum foil backing of the insulation / vapor barrier? acts like a Faraday Shield |
| 15:24.34 | prpplague | my problem is i don't know crap about these certifcates |
| 15:24.41 | prpplague | sorphin: whats a ca_cert? |
| 15:24.55 | T0mW | prpplague: yeah, they always get me with the ssl certs |
| 15:25.08 | T0mW | prpplague: certificate authority |
| 15:25.24 | T0mW | prpplague: to certify the certifier |
| 15:25.56 | prpplague | hmm, why would i need one if i'm not using certificates? |
| 15:26.09 | prpplague | wpa-peap only uses server side certs |
| 15:27.02 | T0mW | prpplague: somebody has to certify the certificate issuer as being a valid issuer. |
| 15:27.22 | T0mW | prpplague: it's ssl |
| 15:27.28 | T0mW | prpplague: right? |
| 15:28.31 | sorphin | yes |
| 15:28.43 | sorphin | kergoth: they're gonna brand you n00b soon :P |
| 15:28.48 | sorphin | if they haven't already ;) |
| 15:28.48 | kergoth_ | hehe |
| 15:28.52 | T0mW | prpplague: you can be your own certificate authority, there is a consequence. for example, mozilla and others have copies of the known ca-certs, when they find an unknown CA, they popup a dialog questioning it. |
| 15:28.59 | kergoth_ | as long as i learn what i need to know, thats fine with me |
| 15:29.26 | T0mW | kergoth: agreed, firewall is one thing you have to do right |
| 15:29.27 | sorphin | T0mW: good point |
| 15:30.32 | T0mW | prpplague: it is a mere annoyance, if you have a closed system and control over the devices connecting to it, you can preload your CA cert into them and avoid confusion. |
| 15:30.56 | prpplague | T0mW: so is the ca key exactly the same for all clients that download it? |
| 15:31.08 | T0mW | yes |
| 15:31.18 | prpplague | ok thanks that'll work |
| 15:31.36 | prpplague | hehe, so i could actuall put it out on a ftp server? |
| 15:32.18 | T0mW | that is the master certificate that, in essence, says "they other cert you got was from a valid issuer". |
| 15:32.45 | T0mW | prpplague: well, I wouldn't go that far, ssl still confuses me |
| 15:32.51 | T0mW | prpplague: on the cert level |
| 15:33.17 | T0mW | prpplague: I did play with that about two years ago and we setup an ssl access to http |
| 15:33.17 | kergoth_ | prpplague: check out mickeyl's mockup of a ui menu for the bootup menu in the next release of the familiar/openzaurus/etc distro: http://www.vanille.de/temp/efl-altboot.png |
| 15:33.26 | kergoth_ | :) |
| 15:33.49 | T0mW | heh |
| 15:33.50 | prpplague | checking |
| 15:33.53 | jbevren | nice |
| 15:34.19 | T0mW | kergoth: I guess that Star Trek is a bit dated |
| 15:34.54 | prpplague | cut |
| 15:36.10 | prpplague | T0mW: iirc thats the stargate atlantis symbol |
| 15:36.38 | T0mW | prpplague: the symbol for planet Earth, isn't it? |
| 15:37.41 | T0mW | could be atlantis i guess, I just watch it every week and record it into my video pile |
| 15:37.43 | prpplague | yea |
| 15:37.54 | T0mW | prpplague: up to 190 videos so far in the server |
| 15:38.48 | T0mW | [tom@huey tom]$ df |
| 15:38.48 | T0mW | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 15:38.48 | T0mW | /dev/hda1 788M 83M 705M 11% / |
| 15:38.48 | T0mW | /dev/mapper/Huey-1 834G 412G 422G 50% /DataStore |
| 15:39.09 | T0mW | could do another 180 or so and then I'll have to upgrade |
| 15:39.58 | jbevren | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 15:39.58 | jbevren | /dev/mapper/guu-archive |
| 15:39.58 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:40.04 | jbevren | the VG is 1.3T |
| 15:40.05 | T0mW | prpplague: well, today I have to order parts, gerber the engineering board and get that out to fabrication |
| 15:40.07 | jbevren | most of it unallocated |
| 15:40.13 | jbevren | I grow the archive as needed :) |
| 15:40.27 | T0mW | jbevren: what you got in there? |
| 15:40.56 | kergoth_ | http://openzaurus.org/wordpress/newsletters/ooo-newsletter-200508/ |
| 15:41.16 | kergoth_ | everyone even remotely interested in openembedded should read that |
| 15:45.10 | jbevren | T0mW: lots of data :) |
| 15:45.14 | kergoth_ | hehe, check out the screenshot of e17 running on a zaurus |
| 15:45.16 | kergoth_ | just twisted |
| 15:45.20 | T0mW | lol |
| 15:45.55 | jbevren | T0mW: I stopped deleting things about a year ago |
| 15:47.03 | T0mW | jbevren: I just stuff videos in mine, interestingly, they seem to show the same shows week after week. it is getting harder to find new stuff to add |
| 15:47.25 | prpplague | argh, my thumb on my right hand has gone to sleep |
| 15:47.32 | T0mW | ha |
| 15:47.54 | T0mW | prpplague: that's old age creeping in |
| 15:48.08 | prpplague | i think this flu has got me anemic |
| 15:48.31 | prpplague | i'm freazing in the office, and even outside only feels slightly warm |
| 15:49.51 | sorphin | heh |
| 15:50.08 | sorphin | prpplague: if you're that damn sick, stop working and get well :P |
| 15:51.34 | prpplague | sorphin: because i'm stupid, i have a ton of work to do, i hate taking off for being sick |
| 15:51.51 | sorphin | prpplague: would you rather end up 6ft deep? |
| 15:52.22 | sorphin | prpplague: if you're realy sick, then there's no big deal w/ taking off, it's if you're not realy sick, that it's a big deal, heh |
| 15:52.24 | prpplague | sorphin: hehe, that'd just mean you get to fly to barbados for the funeral |
| 15:52.46 | sorphin | prpplague: fraid not, doubt they'd let me leave the country for that, heh |
| 15:53.03 | prpplague | sorphin: oh yea forget about that |
| 15:53.14 | sorphin | prpplague: wish i could forget about it :/ |
| 15:53.22 | prpplague | guess you'll have to watch via gnomemeeting |
| 15:53.31 | T0mW | sorphin: leash isn't that long, eh? |
| 15:53.49 | sorphin | T0mW: hell, i dunno if i can even just go across the river for an hour :P |
| 15:53.53 | sorphin | (to IL) |
| 15:54.01 | T0mW | yeah |
| 15:54.17 | prpplague | puts a crimp on holiday then |
| 15:54.26 | T0mW | sorphin: still on your honeymoon? |
| 15:54.43 | sorphin | no word, guess i'm gonna have to try getting a hold of him directly |
| 15:54.44 | sorphin | heh |
| 15:54.47 | sorphin | T0mW: eh? |
| 15:55.14 | file | bleh |
| 15:55.38 | sorphin | s/on/in/ |
| 15:55.56 | prpplague | wish i could find a doc on how to retrieve certs from a winblows box |
| 15:56.19 | sorphin | prpplague: eh? whatdya mean retreive the certs? heh |
| 15:56.33 | sorphin | you need the certdb? or something? |
| 15:57.31 | prpplague | sorphin: right, i have a cert server running on a winblows box |
| 15:57.59 | prpplague | sorphin: it works with a winblows laptop, just don't how to get it working with a linux device |
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| 16:01.14 | sorphin | ah |
| 16:02.51 | prpplague | sorphin: and i can seem to find any docs to help |
| 16:03.05 | prpplague | sorphin: i know i'm not the first linux person to have to do this |
| 16:05.25 | sorphin | prpplague: you're not? ;) |
| 16:31.30 | jbevren | o=username 0 0 IN IP4 0.0.0.0 |
| 16:31.30 | jbevren | s=Whoa there dewd |
| 16:31.33 | jbevren | what the |
| 16:31.34 | jbevren | hehe |
| 16:31.51 | file | put someone on hold? |
| 16:31.55 | jbevren | yeah |
| 16:31.59 | jbevren | playing with kphone and my uniden |
| 16:32.59 | file | ah |
| 16:33.22 | jbevren | kphone hates it when I hang up on an asterisk-routed call |
| 16:33.25 | jbevren | freezes solid |
| 16:33.28 | file | IAX2/guest@neutrino.file-radio.com/145 to give me a ring :P |
| 16:33.31 | jbevren | shrug. good thing I dont use it for stuff that matters |
| 16:38.20 | jbevren | :-D |
| 16:38.38 | jbevren | added it to my shortcuts extension |
| 16:38.40 | file | bleh my new router isn't out for delivery I guess |
| 16:38.46 | file | oh no, shortcuts extension! |
| 16:38.51 | jbevren | heh |
| 16:38.56 | jbevren | its hard to type IAX2/guest@neutrino.file-radio.com/145 on a dial pad |
| 16:38.59 | jbevren | hehe :) |
| 16:39.14 | jbevren | I should consider allowing guest calls |
| 16:39.18 | jbevren | some day |
| 16:39.19 | jbevren | heh |
| 16:39.32 | file | hehe |
| 16:39.43 | jbevren | file: the * box is the MPC board gpsfan, sorphin, and I have |
| 16:41.48 | file | ah |
| 16:42.03 | file | scary |
| 16:44.04 | jbevren | of course, I didnt fit * into the flash |
| 16:44.15 | jbevren | not that it's impossible, apparently a slim version's available for openwrt |
| 16:44.38 | file | hehe yeah |
| 16:44.44 | file | Capouch did that |
| 16:45.29 | jbevren | you live in canadia eh? :) |
| 16:45.38 | file | yes |
| 16:45.41 | jbevren | cool :) |
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| 16:52.44 | sorphin | jbevren: yeah, file's a big mapleleaf taht says eh? all the time ;) |
| 16:54.01 | jbevren | hehe |
| 16:54.08 | jbevren | actually he didnt say 'eh' once during our conversation |
| 16:54.12 | file | :P |
| 16:54.21 | jbevren | sounded more like he was from indana than anything |
| 16:54.23 | jbevren | lol :) |
| 16:55.04 | jbevren | file: care to msg me your iax incoming section for iax.conf? :) |
| 16:56.09 | file | ah |
| 16:56.16 | file | it should be in the default iax.conf |
| 16:56.34 | file | [guest] |
| 16:56.34 | file | type=user |
| 16:56.34 | file | context=confs |
| 16:56.34 | file | notransfer=yes |
| 16:56.37 | file | but that's it :P |
| 16:57.09 | jbevren | heh |
| 16:57.12 | jbevren | I created an empty one |
| 16:57.15 | jbevren | thx |
| 17:05.59 | CosmicPenguin | Heh - my development policy is up to 31 pages |
| 17:06.00 | CosmicPenguin | yay! |
| 17:06.10 | kergoth_ | hehe,d amn |
| 17:07.32 | jbevren | :) |
| 17:07.43 | jbevren | does it include not allowing marketing to bump version numbers? |
| 17:07.53 | jbevren | my friend's marketing dept wanted to bump a versoin number |
| 17:08.00 | jbevren | just to make the software 'attractive' |
| 17:11.16 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 17:11.19 | CosmicPenguin | yeah - we set the version number |
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| 17:18.51 | jbevren | mental note: get a slower drive for this thing.. the 10krpm drive resonates the case too well |
| 17:18.52 | jbevren | heh |
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| 17:50.02 | jbevren | true sign of boredom |
| 17:50.07 | jbevren | I'm playing mp3's through my sipphone |
| 17:50.10 | jbevren | heh |
| 17:53.01 | T0mW | jbevren: maybe try adding some material inside the case to break the harmonic resonance sympathy? |
| 17:53.33 | jbevren | T0mW: sure |
| 17:53.33 | T0mW | jbevren: like if it is a plastic case, glue some polystyrene strips inside? |
| 17:53.37 | jbevren | or put a book on it :) |
| 17:53.44 | jbevren | its a little micro-atx box |
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| 17:54.19 | T0mW | I've noticed that Western Digital has their SE series drives, those things are whisper quiet! |
| 17:54.46 | T0mW | you can barely hear them spinup |
| 17:56.19 | jbevren | ah |
| 17:56.24 | jbevren | well, I'm sorta stuck with scsi here |
| 17:56.32 | jbevren | cause I dont have an ide pci card, and these dont have ide onboard |
| 17:56.49 | jbevren | so I'm using a wd enterprise 9gig 10k |
| 17:57.02 | jbevren | its not bad, its just that its LF vibrations are resonating a little |
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| 18:05.37 | kergoth_ | huh |
| 18:05.39 | kergoth_ | thats interesting. |
| 18:06.09 | kergoth_ | normally when an interface goes down, and you're NATing out of it, the connection tracking database entries dont get removed, they just sit there, so that they can be continued when the interface returns, or time out |
| 18:06.30 | kergoth_ | however, if you're using MASQUERADE rather than SNAT, and you bring down the interface and remove the ip, it removes the associated conntrack entries |
| 18:06.43 | kergoth_ | must be becuase it expects the IP to be about to change on a MASQ interface, since its most often used with dhcp |
| 18:06.58 | kergoth_ | anyway, that was a difference that i didnt realize existed |
| 18:11.13 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: we'll make a PHB out of you yet :P |
| 18:11.20 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 18:11.28 | CosmicPenguin | I don't like the touchy feely stuff |
| 18:11.37 | CosmicPenguin | I prefer the this is how we're going to write code - here let me show you stuff |
| 18:11.55 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: we'll even have you surgically altered to look like the PHB in dilbert too |
| 18:11.59 | kergoth_ | i wouldnt mind doing that sort of thing. i think i'd like being in an architectural role |
| 18:12.47 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: yeah, thats my goal in life right now |
| 18:12.49 | sorphin | T0mW: the seagate barracudas are quite quiet too (the ide ones), my 200G is realy quiet |
| 18:12.56 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: but to begin with, it includes writing lots of policy documentation |
| 18:13.22 | kergoth_ | CosmicPenguin: nod. i hear its kinda hard to get in to. companies probably want people with degrees covering both technology and management, i'd think |
| 18:14.08 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 18:14.13 | CosmicPenguin | yeah, thats why I really can't go anywhere |
| 18:14.18 | kergoth_ | :\ |
| 18:14.22 | CosmicPenguin | I don't have the credentials to do this anywhere but AMD |
| 18:14.26 | CosmicPenguin | but thats cool - this is a decent company |
| 18:14.35 | kergoth_ | what credentials do you have? |
| 18:14.35 | kergoth_ | nod |
| 18:15.47 | CosmicPenguin | I have a BS in CS, and going on 7 years of industry experience |
| 18:16.02 | kergoth_ | ah, so justmissing the management bits |
| 18:17.13 | sorphin | i prefer to be in the trenches |
| 18:17.16 | kergoth_ | ah |
| 18:17.29 | kergoth_ | i like figuring out _how_ to go about doing something, but not so much the actual doing of it :) |
| 18:17.35 | sorphin | heh |
| 18:17.50 | sorphin | prpplague: i'm too ethical to be a manager |
| 18:44.31 | CosmicPenguin | So all ya bastards can read it and yell at me |
| 18:47.28 | kergoth_ | cool |
| 18:47.53 | kergoth_ | its probably overkill for the little company i'm at, but i might swipe bits of it for a policy here ;) |
| 18:49.49 | CosmicPenguin | Thats only fair |
| 18:49.58 | CosmicPenguin | I totally swiped your build system rules of thumb |
| 18:51.30 | kergoth_ | hah, cool |
| 19:16.34 | kergoth_ | CosmicPenguin: http://www.user-mode-linux.org/~jdike/armin/Virtual-UML-Lab-Presentation.pdf |
| 19:17.07 | kergoth_ | cool little presentation. i'm using it to show the guy that runs this company how we can use user mode linux to simulate network environments for our product, as well as the device itself |
| 19:17.09 | kergoth_ | :) |
| 19:18.02 | CosmicPenguin | Ahh cool |
| 19:25.12 | CosmicPenguin | Ok, thats enough screwing around |
| 19:25.15 | CosmicPenguin | time to get back to work |
| 19:26.00 | sorphin | heh |
| 19:26.05 | sorphin | that's a first |
| 19:26.17 | kergoth_ | heh |
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| 20:06.58 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: you ever see this before: http://autoconf-archive.cryp.to/ |
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| 20:12.05 | CosmicPenguin | Hmmm.... |
| 20:12.07 | CosmicPenguin | http://pcweb.mycom.co.jp/news/2004/04/27/013.html |
| 20:12.44 | CosmicPenguin | 378 bucks |
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| 20:31.43 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: uh... bit pricey innit? |
| 20:32.32 | CosmicPenguin | Yeah |
| 20:32.37 | CosmicPenguin | bout 200 bucks pricey |
| 20:32.40 | CosmicPenguin | but thats Japan for you |
| 20:42.20 | CosmicPenguin | Ok, lets see - most important OSS projects for Geode |
| 20:42.21 | CosmicPenguin | OE |
| 20:42.23 | CosmicPenguin | LTSP |
| 20:42.35 | CosmicPenguin | MythTV? |
| 20:42.56 | CosmicPenguin | uclibc - maybe |
| 20:43.04 | CosmicPenguin | busybox, but there is no geode specific extensions in there |
| 20:51.57 | jbevren | I think mythtv is a very important project |
| 20:52.11 | jbevren | its like tivo, but the linux side is much more publicly known |
| 21:04.19 | kergoth_ | CosmicPenguin: not really a specific project, but i'd expect router type applications to be important for it |
| 21:06.22 | CosmicPenguin | GOod call |
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| 22:17.03 | CosmicPenguin | gah - I'm such a dumbass |
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