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| 01:14.13 | chouimat | http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS8386088053.html |
| 01:15.23 | T0mW | no!? |
| 01:15.26 | T0mW | heh |
| 01:16.04 | T0mW | now, if we all could get our own silicon wafer fabrication machines, and some GPL'ed dies ... |
| 01:16.40 | chouimat | :) |
| 01:25.31 | T0mW | 2MB of flash would be the absolute minimum to put a uClinux system into something. |
| 01:26.04 | T0mW | kernel would be somewhere between 800K ... 1.3MB |
| 01:36.54 | Crofton | uClinux os for MMU less machines? |
| 01:37.39 | T0mW | yes |
| 01:38.06 | T0mW | it does fairly well. downside is that all apps run as root, there is no user mode. |
| 01:38.21 | Crofton | weird |
| 01:38.29 | T0mW | <shrug> |
| 01:38.33 | Crofton | is the overhead worth it? |
| 01:38.52 | Crofton | given you have lost the protection between processes? |
| 01:40.03 | T0mW | I played with it, it is interesting. |
| 01:40.24 | Crofton | WE are getting a board based on the TI C6X DSP |
| 01:40.49 | Crofton | Rumour has it you can run uClinux on it |
| 01:41.09 | T0mW | It's been a few years though, one serious issue at the time was memory fragmentation. They were trying to come up with some collection / allocation schemes to reduce that problem. |
| 01:41.10 | Crofton | Can uClinux do threads? |
| 01:41.40 | T0mW | if you want to know more, start with http://www.uclinux.org |
| 01:41.53 | Crofton | Yeah, I've looked there a little |
| 01:42.14 | Crofton | I need to get another project under control before I start looking into other peoples projects :) |
| 01:42.39 | T0mW | There is a mailing list as well. I've been unsubscribed for 2..3 years now, so I don't know what the state of developemnt is. There was some serious work with getting RTAI running under uClinux. |
| 01:43.32 | Crofton | rtai? |
| 01:43.52 | Crofton | google told me |
| 01:44.25 | T0mW | Crofton: if you want to play with it, get a board from http://www.arcturusnetworks.com |
| 01:45.15 | T0mW | Real Time Application Interface, IMHO, a far less invasive solution than RT-Linux |
| 01:48.04 | T0mW | RT-Linux takes the approach of rewriting portions of the kernel to optimize it to respond to real time events. RTAI accepts the kernel as a slow responder and adds an external layer to handle realtime events + fifos & queues to communicate between Linux & RTAI |
| 01:48.31 | Crofton | TI mentions something called DSP Bios |
| 01:48.47 | Crofton | That ind of sounds like the same thing |
| 01:48.50 | Crofton | kind |
| 01:49.10 | Crofton | well need to run to the store, wife just had ACL surgery |
| 01:49.16 | Crofton | she needs alot of ice |
| 01:49.19 | T0mW | I never paid attention to what TI has been doing. they went into DSP back in the early 80's and I wasn't interested in DSP. |
| 01:49.27 | T0mW | later |
| 01:49.42 | Crofton | we do signal processing so we are |
| 01:50.01 | T0mW | yeah, so does the military |
| 01:50.21 | Crofton | I am especially interested in connecting DSP to the real world, and reconfiguring the software as needed |
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| 05:02.47 | Russ | bash really demonstrates how stupid some people really are in such sort, simple statements "Didnt Ray Charles die right before [Ray] came out? That would suck if he never even got to see it." |
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| 09:13.32 | T0mW | http://www.mcall.com/news/local/all-marijuana0328,0,7638994.story?coll=all-news-hed |
| 09:13.40 | T0mW | only in Pennsylvania... |
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| 13:29.11 | T0mW | kergoth: oh, this could get ugly |
| 13:30.23 | T0mW | kergoth: I'm going to try to "improve" one of my makefiles using the redefine stuff you pointed out the other day. |
| 13:38.19 | chouimat | morning |
| 13:39.06 | T0mW | evening |
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| 15:12.54 | prpplague | ho ho ho |
| 15:16.14 | prpplague | T0mW: you get your box? |
| 15:19.19 | chouimat|busy | hey prpplague |
| 15:22.02 | prpplague | chouimat|busy: lo |
| 15:23.21 | chouimat|busy | prpplague: how life? |
| 15:24.52 | prpplague | chouimat|busy: hecktic |
| 15:24.59 | prpplague | chouimat|busy: trying to get things organized |
| 15:25.12 | prpplague | chouimat|busy: i forgot everything runs on its on schedule here |
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| 15:42.09 | CosmicPenguin | Morning |
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| 15:43.41 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hey crack baby |
| 15:44.15 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: hey island boy |
| 15:44.19 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: whats crackin'? |
| 15:45.31 | prpplague | just trying to get organized |
| 15:45.50 | prpplague | its gonna take me a week to get all my net and peecee stuff done |
| 15:46.02 | CosmicPenguin | heh - yeah |
| 15:46.10 | CosmicPenguin | But it must feel good to finally be there |
| 15:46.14 | CosmicPenguin | you're in the home stretch |
| 15:47.41 | prpplague | hehe yea |
| 15:47.51 | prpplague | still got some bills to pay off and get organized |
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| 19:00.54 | *** topic/#elinux is Embedded Linux || http://eLinux.org/ || cross compile, uClibc, busybox, tinylogin, handhelds, post-sale linux installs ;-), etc. || free embedded linux training at http://free-electrons.com/news/news.2004-09-28/en || see prpplague about custom holly-gates jtag dongles |
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| 19:26.51 | T0mW | someone is confused: I get Crylic & Kanji spam now |
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| 21:07.28 | hardwire | yay |
| 21:07.30 | hardwire | xfce 4.2 is nice |
| 21:08.31 | kergoth | indeed |
| 21:08.57 | hardwire | ** (xfmedia:4783): WARNING **: Failed to open a connection to the D-BUS session bus. Please ensure that the session bus is running. (0: D-BUS error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Failed: Unable to determine the address of the message bus) |
| 21:08.57 | hardwire | zsh: segmentation fault xfmedia |
| 21:08.57 | hardwire | ( |
| 21:08.59 | hardwire | :( |
| 21:09.21 | hardwire | I just wish I could set the panel as full screen width |
| 21:12.06 | hardwire | brb |
| 21:13.48 | hardwire | yey |
| 21:13.50 | hardwire | got it |
| 21:13.53 | hardwire | installed dbus1-utils package |
| 21:13.54 | hardwire | and put it in my xsession |
| 21:13.58 | hardwire | and now settings seem to work :) |
| 21:28.47 | hardwire | wild |
| 21:28.51 | hardwire | you can put the taskbar in the panel |
| 21:35.15 | hardwire | » rules |
| 21:35.43 | hardwire | blah and ½ |
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| 21:38.56 | Sgt-Donan | bn all |
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| 22:55.24 | TimRiker | What would you recommend to build a USB device with 64 lights and 32 switches? |
| 22:55.48 | Crofton_ | like a chip? |
| 22:56.08 | MonMotha | TimRiker: Well, there's always the EZ-USB |
| 22:56.20 | MonMotha | but you'll still need a bunch of IO expanders, even if you can do a scanned matrix |
| 22:58.17 | Crofton_ | http://www.cypress.com/portal/server.pt?space=CommunityPage&control=SetCommunity&CommunityID=209&PageID=259&fid=14&rpn=CY7C68013 |
| 22:59.03 | Crofton_ | I wonder if the ez-usb chip does some kind of serial interace you could get io expanders for? |
| 23:04.20 | TimRiker | idea on cost? |
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| 23:43.11 | MonMotha | Crofton__: it has I2C, and you could use like a PCA9555 (or the PCF8584 [I think] for 8 bits) for straight GPIOs. Maxim makes some LED scanned matrix and 7 segment drivers (some with keyscan) that interface via I2C as well |
| 23:43.59 | MonMotha | TimRiker: well, the dev board I used for my EZ-USB work was $80 in qty. of 1, but that was without any I/O expanders. I believe the raw AN2131 (the bigger version with more I/O and a bunch of stuff you don't need) is like $9 in qty. |
| 23:44.45 | MonMotha | since you'll have bunches of I/O expanders if you go that route, you may be able to get by with the smaller version. Cost is the same, but board footprint is about half. |
| 23:44.57 | MonMotha | IIRC, there are also more integrated I2C controllers that talk via USB, but I'm not familiar with them |