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03:11.44 | Russ | I don't have very much right now |
03:13.41 | chouimat|TV | nice circus in the us |
03:16.20 | Russ | I wouldn't call it nice |
03:16.31 | Russ | the constitution is suppose to prevent things like this |
03:16.51 | chouimat|TV | Russ: I should have put </sarcasm> |
03:19.44 | T0mW | Russ, I always have canned stuff around and pasta (several pounds of it) for the "lean" months. |
03:20.26 | chouimat|TV | Russ: I keep sardines cans ... so me and the cat can eat |
03:20.50 | Russ | I think I'll see what I can do with my flour |
03:21.20 | sjhill | man, i'm starting to think i should order pizzas for you guys |
03:21.43 | Russ | I'll make a costco trip soon |
03:21.57 | Russ | I have plenty of frozen chicken and ground beef chubs |
03:22.28 | T0mW | sjhill: us poor starving relations... |
03:24.41 | T0mW | chouimat|TV: what you going to do, cook a fat man? |
03:24.55 | T0mW | chouimat|TV: now, that is a lean month! |
03:25.27 | chouimat|TV | T0mW: just a heavy metal song |
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03:34.38 | T0mW | I think it is time to call Netgear support and have them tell me how badly they built the WGR614 v5 router... |
03:35.01 | T0mW | damned thing won't renew the DHCP lease |
03:35.01 | file[laptop] | excellent idea |
03:35.19 | T0mW | lease expires and it drops the internet connection |
03:35.38 | T0mW | POS |
03:35.50 | sjhill | *sigh* |
03:35.55 | sjhill | ibot: seen sorphin |
03:35.56 | ibot | sorphin <sorphin@mewp.captainrock.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #tacobeam, 22h 22m 38s ago, saying: 'night then'. |
03:36.06 | sjhill | how do i leave a note for sorphin? |
03:36.11 | T0mW | file: no wonder they gave a $60 rebate for the $84 I spent on two of them |
03:36.43 | T0mW | dunno, maybe TimRiker is still awake? |
03:36.53 | sjhill | that's okay |
03:37.04 | sjhill | if you guys see sorphin, tell him to email me |
03:37.11 | sjhill | his email isn't working worth crap |
03:37.14 | T0mW | I haven't seen sorphin around that much, is he married yet? |
03:37.30 | chouimat|TV | poor guy ... |
03:37.41 | Russ | k, breadmaker is now attempting to make bread from random ingredeints |
03:38.03 | T0mW | chouimat|TV: everyone must do it at least once. Then you can share stories about the divorce |
03:38.19 | Russ | maybe I should make shake-n-bake |
03:38.39 | chouimat|TV | T0mW: maybe ... |
03:39.09 | Russ | I was really sick the other day, from the flu or something |
03:39.24 | Russ | so I went to a LAN friday night, and didn't sleep till saturday night |
03:39.28 | Russ | took some nyquil |
03:39.46 | Russ | after about an hour or two, my gf who is in korea called |
03:39.57 | Russ | I think that was the most incoherent convesation I have ever had |
03:39.59 | T0mW | Russ: hope you make out better than what I did with that pasta + hamburger + sauce thingy I had last night. Kept me up most of the night with acid stomach |
03:40.25 | Russ | I kept drifting into sleep and saying completely non-sensical things |
03:40.33 | Russ | I'll have to ask her what the hell I said |
03:40.59 | T0mW | hmmm, did you say "yes" to her at all? |
03:41.20 | Russ | I don't know, all I remember, is her saying that I won't remember this conversation, will I? |
03:41.37 | T0mW | she'll remind you of the important stuff. Women are like that |
03:42.01 | Russ | not as bad as the time she was talking to me, and telling me how I told her she gets one get out of jail free card |
03:42.07 | Russ | I kept insisting I didn't |
03:42.20 | Russ | then she started explaining how she remembers exactly what I was wearing when I told her |
03:42.36 | Russ | which, since she hasn't seen me for a month... |
03:43.01 | Russ | anywho, I'm going to try to go cook something that involves meat while the bread is cooking |
03:45.27 | chouimat|TV | FUCK |
03:46.09 | Crofton | hmm |
03:46.55 | T0mW | Yoplait yogurt container has on it "protect wildlife, crush container before disposal". I suppose that is a good idea to do that before you toss it out the car window? |
03:49.07 | Russ | actually, I find that if you nail it to a tree with the top facing out, it makes a great nest for small birds |
03:49.17 | Russ | once the ants clean it out |
03:50.17 | T0mW | yeah, that dixie cup shape is kinda hard to "crush", maybe it is a challange or something |
03:50.31 | T0mW | "here dude, crush THIS!" |
03:51.09 | TimRiker | chouimat|TV: watch the language please. |
03:51.45 | chouimat|TV | I found a nice way to have a nice and fun debate: invite the jehovas witnesses and the mormons at the same time ... |
03:51.47 | TimRiker | sjhill: ibot: botmail for sorpin: get a life |
03:51.49 | chouimat|TV | TimRiker: sorry |
03:52.06 | sjhill | heh |
03:52.07 | sjhill | thx |
03:52.15 | chouimat|TV | TimRiker: I got a load of 20 and nothing was responding ... |
03:52.28 | TimRiker | chouimat|TV: bummer. |
03:53.20 | chouimat|TV | TimRiker: will use "tabarnack" next time |
03:53.38 | TimRiker | ~x fr en tabarnack |
03:53.42 | sjhill | ibot: botmail for sorphin: your email is broke again....i reserved my hotel room, but they did not have your block of rooms in the computer. you may want to call and check on that. |
03:53.44 | TimRiker | heh |
03:54.06 | sjhill | did that go on this channel? |
03:54.09 | sjhill | it did, didn't it |
03:54.17 | hardwire | I don't believe it did |
03:54.19 | hardwire | so sad. |
03:54.22 | sjhill | oh |
03:54.22 | TimRiker | the message did, ibot should pm the reply. |
03:54.23 | sjhill | good |
03:54.27 | chouimat|TV | TimRiker: Quebec bastardisation of tabernacle |
03:54.36 | TimRiker | ah |
03:54.52 | chouimat|TV | hardwire: still waiting the email :) |
03:54.58 | sjhill | what's tabernacle? |
03:55.00 | hardwire | chouimat|TV: oh deal :) |
03:55.09 | hardwire | around 1:00pm I finished lunch |
03:55.16 | hardwire | a few minutes later it was 5:30pm |
03:55.19 | hardwire | :) |
03:55.24 | hardwire | time warp |
03:55.26 | chouimat|TV | hardwire: nice |
03:56.03 | chouimat|TV | ok daily show soon |
03:57.33 | hardwire | 70's show now |
03:57.47 | hardwire | gonna need your addy again :) |
04:03.19 | Russ | ok, shake and bake in baking |
04:03.58 | Russ | T0mW: you know, you can run the frontend on you machine |
04:04.34 | Russ | Sealab 2021 Monkey Banana Ruffle |
04:04.39 | T0mW | yeah, but, the other chair is more comfortabel |
04:04.45 | Russ | Robot Chicken Toyz in the Attic |
04:05.10 | Russ | ok, now its time to play some bf1942 |
04:17.21 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
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13:45.33 | chouimat | morning |
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14:41.29 | chouimat | prpplague: hi |
14:41.46 | prpplague | chouimat: lo |
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14:52.31 | T0mW | whew! newlib certainly has a lot of copyrights attached to it. |
14:58.34 | prpplague | man i can't figure out whats going on with the scoxe stock |
14:58.48 | prpplague | they have huge swings in price for the last 5 days |
14:59.02 | prpplague | sometimes as low as 3.00 and high as 4.00 |
15:00.39 | T0mW | could be that people are purchasing the stock not for long-term investment gains, but for the value of the company for breakup |
15:00.40 | T0mW | desks, chairs, computers, any IP |
15:00.46 | T0mW | land |
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15:01.12 | T0mW | maybe it is REITs that are doing the purchasing? |
15:01.50 | T0mW | location, location, location... maybe SCO is sitting on the site of the next WalMart? |
15:02.33 | T0mW | or landfill |
15:02.36 | prpplague | hehe |
15:03.25 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, i want this to be in my new companies press release, "open its doors today in the former building owned by SCO" |
15:03.33 | T0mW | some of that selling may only be investors cross-selling stock to each other in small amounts to support the price of SCOXE |
15:04.05 | T0mW | prpplague: in that case, it would be the site of a public toilet |
15:05.31 | T0mW | well, one of life's lessons I learned the other day: don't drink orange juice before going to the gym to workout! |
15:05.59 | prpplague | hehe |
15:06.15 | T0mW | gak, sour stomach |
15:07.01 | T0mW | prpplague: what's the code-begging all about? |
15:08.11 | prpplague | T0mW: some smuck on lak begging for an sd card drive for the pxa270 |
15:08.29 | chouimat | ok can I kill this customer? |
15:08.37 | T0mW | chouimat: you may |
15:08.45 | prpplague | "I need a SD card driver for the PXA270. Someone can help me?I'm using the linux kernel 2.6.8." |
15:08.55 | prpplague | thats the entire post |
15:09.27 | T0mW | prpplague: maybe you should send him your fee schedule |
15:09.55 | chouimat | T0mW: I started a project for a customer and the customer kind of push me aside so his nephew can have the job ... now he called me to "unfuck" his nephew 3 years of abuse ... (nothing work anymore) |
15:10.35 | T0mW | I've about 130K of 8051 binary that I'm going to attempt to compile under ARM7TDMI Thumb and see what size it comes up with. |
15:12.26 | T0mW | chouimat: BTDT, I had to tail-end some C code a guy wrote using my code as the starting point. I eventually threw his two years worth of worthless code away and rewrote it in two intensive days of onsite work. |
15:13.03 | chouimat | T0mW: let me tell you ... I won't have the contract when the guy will saw how much I will ask |
15:13.21 | T0mW | some you win, some you lose |
15:14.31 | chouimat | T0mW: the problem is they're using an early prototype (which happened to work ) and they hacked, patched and hacked over the patches for 3 years |
15:14.55 | T0mW | I wouldn't fix the code, I would just restart the whole process. I've found that you waste too much time trying to get into the head of a lousy programmer to try to understand his approach. Most times it seems the only approach they have is to sling mud against the wall to stop a leak |
15:15.25 | T0mW | no style, no plan, just fixit |
15:15.46 | chouimat | T0mW: I have a better way of doing this now ... the problem is they will have to fix all the tools they added to the prototype |
15:17.58 | prpplague | argh, i'm surprised that rmk hasn't gotten involved with some the posts lately |
15:18.20 | prpplague | why are we discusing GUI's on the LAK list |
15:18.21 | T0mW | ok.... Thumb compiler built, now what to do, what to do.. |
15:18.42 | T0mW | prpplague: because they never heard of IRC ? |
15:19.03 | T0mW | prpplague: hey, they gonna hold a "wake" for you? |
15:19.29 | T0mW | prpplague: ... for the "death" of an American citizen ? |
15:19.32 | T0mW | :P |
15:20.26 | chouimat | hehe |
15:20.53 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe, nope |
15:21.05 | prpplague | T0mW: i'll still have a visa to come back |
15:21.29 | T0mW | yeah |
15:22.39 | prpplague | T0mW: what is amazing is the fact that its almost as hard to give up your citizenship as it is to get it |
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15:24.10 | prpplague | pb_: boo |
15:24.43 | prpplague | pb_: how the hell do you keep up with all the stuff going on in the arm realm? |
15:24.51 | T0mW | prpplague: heh, they don't want to make it too easy to lose a tax revenue source |
15:25.19 | prpplague | T0mW: yea thats what the state department guy told me |
15:25.59 | prpplague | T0mW: but it seems odd to me, that if they wanted tax revenue, they'd make it easier for ppl to become americans so they _could_ pay taxes |
15:26.37 | prpplague | T0mW: rather than let these illegals work under the table and _not_ pay taxes, and get welfare and food stamps |
15:26.58 | T0mW | prpplague: them call them "migrant workers": they pay taxes but get no benefits of citizenship. win-win situation |
15:27.23 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe, not here |
15:27.39 | prpplague | T0mW: most of the mexicans here get paid under the table |
15:27.41 | prpplague | no taxes |
15:27.54 | T0mW | anyway, I've got compiler, linker + lib, now to start putting a makefile together... |
15:30.36 | prpplague | T0mW: actually here and in utah, _illegals_ can go to college for almost free |
15:30.57 | prpplague | T0mW: legals have to pay |
15:31.12 | T0mW | lol |
15:31.38 | T0mW | why not, that makes sense for the government(s) to do something as mindless as that |
15:31.50 | prpplague | http://www.theamericanresistance.com/issues/in_state_tuition.html |
15:33.06 | sjhill | that sucks |
15:33.35 | prpplague | sjhill: my wife has been trying to get a visa _legally_ for almost 2 years |
15:33.54 | prpplague | sjhill: and the immigration person told us that there would be no way |
15:34.00 | T0mW | I honestly think that these legislators have entirely too much time on their hands. Maybe we should do like Texas and have a part-time legislature? |
15:34.18 | prpplague | sjhill: they actually told us we'd be better off being illegal |
15:34.28 | T0mW | prpplague: hey! |
15:34.39 | chouimat | this is completely stupid ... |
15:34.48 | prpplague | T0mW: ? |
15:35.00 | T0mW | prpplague: there's an idea, maybe you could come back and work as an illegal!!! You'd make more money that way! |
15:35.09 | chouimat | hehe |
15:35.19 | T0mW | they won't put you in jail, they'd only send you home |
15:35.25 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe, no need, i'll be living in barbados, doing the same job, hehe |
15:35.31 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe |
15:35.36 | T0mW | no shit |
15:35.37 | prpplague | T0mW: good point |
15:35.55 | chouimat | grrrr stupid monthly fire alarm test |
15:36.12 | T0mW | prpplague: I don't think you could stand not having donna around though |
15:36.25 | pb_ | hey prpplague |
15:36.38 | pb_ | prpplague: heh, the easy answer is that I don't. |
15:36.45 | prpplague | sjhill: last time we were at immigration, a mexican can in, showed them proof that he'd been living in the US and working for over a year, and they gave him a visa on the spot |
15:38.41 | prpplague | pb_: hehe |
15:39.46 | prpplague | pb_: i need to get back into the habit of writing notes down, there is sooooo much to learn, sooooo little time |
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15:42.55 | T0mW | prpplague: hey, they wanted him to pay his 2004 tax bill |
15:43.21 | T0mW | prpplague: he was prolly making > $100K |
15:48.08 | pb_ | prpplague: heh, right. |
15:48.30 | pb_ | prpplague: this afternoon I started to actually write some code, for the first time in about two months. |
15:49.07 | prpplague | pb_: hehe, was it a shock to your system? |
15:49.14 | pb_ | a bit, yeah |
15:49.21 | prpplague | hehe |
15:49.31 | pb_ | nevermind, I'm sure it won't last. |
15:49.35 | prpplague | anyone know what functionality libgcc_s provides? |
15:49.45 | pb_ | exception handling, mostly. |
15:49.51 | prpplague | pb_: ahh |
15:49.57 | pb_ | also stuff like integer division on arm. |
15:50.13 | prpplague | pb_: hmm, odd that i've never run across it before |
15:50.31 | pb_ | it's only used by shared libraries, and only in gcc 3.x. |
15:50.43 | pb_ | regular applications still tend to link with the static libgcc.a. |
15:50.51 | prpplague | pb_: ahh gotcha |
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16:35.20 | T0mW | anybody know what "interworking" is on ARM, is that some ARM32 <--> ARMTHUMB execution interlayer? |
16:36.30 | prpplague | T0mW: i don't see any references |
16:36.38 | prpplague | T0mW: let me check another source |
16:37.15 | T0mW | it must be that I need some switch on arm-elf-gcc to make it emit thumb code instead of 32bit code. That's all I can figure out. |
16:37.52 | T0mW | situation normal: documentation lags implementations |
16:38.49 | T0mW | wonder if that is "--with-dwarf2" |
16:39.32 | T0mW | duh, nope |
16:39.34 | T0mW | heh |
16:39.49 | T0mW | s/lead/leak/ |
16:43.20 | pb_ | T0mW: yes, interworking is the ability to call from arm into thumb and vice versa |
16:44.05 | T0mW | yeah, looks that way.. Found some emails addressing that issue |
16:44.09 | T0mW | pb_: thanks |
17:13.11 | T0mW | heh, date of birth for Yahoo Groups account: July 20, 1907 |
17:17.47 | T0mW | yahoo sux |
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17:21.01 | CosmicPenguin | Yodiddily |
17:23.04 | chouimat|busy | hi CosmicPenguin |
17:37.38 | CosmicPenguin | Hey - the samsung phone shipped |
17:37.50 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ug have you cross compiled sqlite lately? |
17:38.01 | CosmicPenguin | huzzah for ljp |
17:38.03 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: no, I haven't |
17:38.18 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I've heard that it has issues - but OE has it building... :) |
17:38.43 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: not the right version i need :( |
17:41.52 | CosmicPenguin | poor prpplague |
17:42.01 | CosmicPenguin | But you'll be drinking rum before the week is out |
17:42.06 | CosmicPenguin | so cheer up little buddy |
17:45.11 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
17:50.40 | CosmicPenguin | anyone have a url to the old school hh.o bootloader? |
17:50.47 | CosmicPenguin | All I see is links to the bootloader-ng |
17:51.38 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmm, should be in the browsable cvs archive |
17:52.06 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: ok - I'm trying to clue in the people around here about loaders |
17:52.09 | CosmicPenguin | any other good examples? |
17:52.54 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: blob |
17:52.57 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: apex |
17:53.00 | CosmicPenguin | crap |
17:53.01 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: uboot |
17:53.04 | CosmicPenguin | I forgot about blob |
17:53.05 | CosmicPenguin | ~lart me |
17:53.34 | CosmicPenguin | Hmmm.... |
17:53.34 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: there is also a good bootloader in the arm system developers guide |
17:53.35 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: its a good example loader |
17:53.45 | CosmicPenguin | ~blob |
17:53.46 | ibot | it has been said that blob is the Boot Loader OBject, or http://www.lart.tudelft.nl/lartware/blob/ |
17:54.03 | CosmicPenguin | ~uboot |
17:54.12 | CosmicPenguin | ~apex |
17:54.13 | ibot | from memory, apex is a tiny arm bootloader done by marc singer, or http://projects.buici.com/apex/, or a hackable dvd player http://www.nerd-out.com/darrenk/ |
17:54.28 | CosmicPenguin | 1 for 3 |
17:55.19 | CosmicPenguin | Weird |
17:55.43 | CosmicPenguin | I got a 404 when I clicked it before |
17:56.08 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: no x86 loaders, huh? :) |
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17:59.57 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: to be honest, i'm not very familiar with x86 loaders |
18:00.10 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: there is a great OLS doc on the linux boot process on x86 |
18:00.16 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I was kidding |
18:00.31 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I've read that |
18:00.40 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: oh ok |
18:00.42 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: you might not believe me, but we're pretty familiar with the x86 boot process |
18:00.43 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: :) |
18:01.05 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, i assumed as much, but i didn't know if you were just collecting information |
18:04.43 | Sgt-Donan | yop |
18:04.47 | CosmicPenguin | when ever I talk about a loader, I get blank stares |
18:04.53 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
18:05.12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, its a pretty foreign concept in the x86 realm |
18:05.23 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ppl think about the OS loading directly |
18:05.28 | CosmicPenguin | The CE guys got a loader, so I threw a temper tantrum |
18:05.38 | CosmicPenguin | "but dadddd... CE got onee...." |
18:08.04 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
18:09.09 | CosmicPenguin | Those damn CE guys - they get everything |
18:13.43 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: squeaky wheel |
18:17.59 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: morning |
18:19.16 | kergoth | hey |
18:24.54 | prpplague | kergoth: boo! |
18:25.03 | prpplague | kergoth: whats cookin crack baby? |
18:29.40 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: know of any JTAG setups that just bitbang the serial lines? |
18:29.44 | CosmicPenguin | s/serial/parallel/ |
18:30.05 | CosmicPenguin | ie - no dongles - just the driver and some wires |
18:37.51 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: isn't that what the dongle is? |
18:38.07 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: like the HG dongle is nothing but the parallel port and some buffers |
18:38.41 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you need something with a buffer to step down the voltage |
18:38.50 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: most arm operate at 3.3v on the jtag |
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18:40.17 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: maybe he's thinking that he'll put one on the board |
18:40.32 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you could do that, and it would be cost effective |
18:40.47 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: but then you loose the benefit of being able to use the jtag for other devices |
18:41.15 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: and it would prevent you from using other jtag adapters |
18:41.34 | CosmicPenguin | why would we want to use other devices? :) |
18:41.39 | prpplague | hehe |
18:41.46 | CosmicPenguin | We're propriatary here, you know |
18:42.21 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: in qty you can make a jtag HG style dongle for as little as $3.00 |
18:42.40 | CosmicPenguin | I wish I knew the guys name, I would send him the tuxscreen page |
18:42.44 | kergoth | i seem to have a second smoke alarm thats never been ehre before |
18:42.51 | kergoth | unless i never noticed it over the past 2 years |
18:42.55 | prpplague | hehe |
18:42.58 | kergoth | so someone mustve installed it when i wasnt here |
18:43.02 | kergoth | and now its beeping at me |
18:43.06 | kergoth | driving me insane |
18:43.42 | prpplague | kergoth: lovely |
18:46.06 | CosmicPenguin | Have you guys seen this? |
18:46.07 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.crystalballinc.com/vlad/software/lmbox/index.oss?&tab=about |
18:46.48 | CosmicPenguin | markl_ will find that familiar, I think... :) |
18:47.33 | CosmicPenguin | I think I might get involved with that |
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19:06.32 | hardwire | hmm |
19:06.39 | hardwire | anybody know of a completely initrd only linux? |
19:06.43 | hardwire | w/ network support? |
19:06.52 | hardwire | it would be nice to use that as the tftp loader |
19:06.57 | chouimat|busy | hardwire: hi :) |
19:07.02 | hardwire | chouimat|busy: yes yes.. hi |
19:07.04 | hardwire | :) |
19:07.11 | hardwire | let me break it down for you real quick |
19:07.16 | chouimat|busy | hardwire: hehe |
19:07.36 | CosmicPenguin | hardwire: heck - an initrd is just a linux image when you think about it |
19:07.47 | CosmicPenguin | Just load it as an initrd, and then set your root to /dev/ram and you're there |
19:07.55 | hardwire | CosmicPenguin: I was thinking about it :) |
19:08.15 | CosmicPenguin | I do that all the time for pxe boot stuff |
19:09.36 | CosmicPenguin | The result is that the personal computer has become far more than a cog in the machine of corporate computing -- it's an essential tool for every individual in the organization. |
19:09.42 | CosmicPenguin | pardon my french, but bullshit |
19:10.44 | CosmicPenguin | Servers + thin clients cost a frction of the price, they don't suffer from employee stupidity, viruses and are easy to upgrade |
19:11.04 | CosmicPenguin | They're only an essential cog in corporate computing because Gates made them that way |
19:12.41 | CosmicPenguin | http://freshmeat.net/projects/ptxdist/?branch_id=55935&release_id=191312 |
19:12.53 | CosmicPenguin | Heh - thats just buildroot |
19:13.02 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, you reading that interview with gates? |
19:13.09 | CosmicPenguin | THat guy is about 3 years too late |
19:13.10 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: yeah |
19:13.31 | hardwire | dangit |
19:13.33 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
19:13.33 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: let me say, for my part, I'm doing everything I can to kill off the mid range personal computer |
19:13.40 | hardwire | ourmailserver is being attacked by communist nations.. |
19:13.43 | hardwire | according to the logs |
19:13.47 | hardwire | :) |
19:14.03 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, thats what gets me the most about abcs, we were at the forefront of doing thin client software |
19:14.05 | hardwire | this truly sucks.. everybody is walking by my office today wondering wtf is wrong with the mail server :( |
19:14.12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: and they just pissed it all away |
19:14.29 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: heh |
19:14.31 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: at one point we were getting 7 or 8 calls a week to do contract work |
19:14.39 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: bad business doesn't mean its a bad idea |
19:15.08 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: like that multimedia link I posted a while back - Mark and I had something very similar 3 years ago |
19:15.20 | CosmicPenguin | And it wasn't a bad idea - just poorly managed |
19:15.21 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, but if you don't have good backing from your company, all the ideas are just waste |
19:16.18 | CosmicPenguin | nod |
19:16.27 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i feel horrible when i see posts about something "new" that we were doing back 3 or 4 years ago |
19:19.42 | CosmicPenguin | me too |
19:19.51 | CosmicPenguin | Its like... damn |
19:20.14 | CosmicPenguin | But it sort of validates your thinking process |
19:24.21 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: almost as bad as seeing that what i'm working on is stuff that pb_ and andersee were doing 4 or 5 years ago, hehe |
19:25.30 | chouimat|busy | arrrgggllllll |
19:25.57 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: luckily, they are around to ask questions of |
19:26.02 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: or curse, as the case may be |
19:26.35 | chouimat|busy | ok sent ... hmmm this customers will be royaly pissed off |
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19:29.45 | chouimat|busy | T0mW: i just sent the quote to the moron who asked me to fix the buildstuff ... |
19:31.01 | CosmicPenguin | Sounds like you have a healthy relationship with your clients there |
19:32.32 | chouimat|busy | CosmicPenguin: this one put me aside after I finished the first prototype so his nephew can take over ... and after 4 years of "patching" the system doesn't work so I have to fix it, rewrite is not an option so I need 6 months (at least) and it will cost 60 000cad |
19:33.21 | chouimat|busy | CosmicPenguin: I just don't want to do it ... so I bidded far higher than the guy is willing to pay ... |
19:33.45 | Crofton | Great position to be :) |
19:34.26 | chouimat|busy | Crofton: doing it mean having him on the phone for hours every day yelling at me |
19:34.53 | Crofton | That sort of thing costs alot |
19:34.59 | chouimat|busy | yup |
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19:57.25 | CosmicPenguin | hmmm..... |
20:14.50 | hardwire | heh |
20:14.50 | hardwire | hmm |
20:15.24 | hardwire | storing in a tar is doing a lot of good. |
20:15.31 | hardwire | I need to make the partitions a little more flexable however. |
20:15.57 | hardwire | I might end up using an ext2 r/o partition to store settings |
20:16.18 | hardwire | that never gets mounted except once to populate the live, reformatted partition..a nd another few times for saving settings |
20:16.50 | hardwire | bah |
20:16.56 | hardwire | darnitalltoheck |
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22:02.28 | T0mW | ~convert 60,000CAD to USD |
22:02.43 | T0mW | ~convert 60000CAD to USD |
22:02.57 | T0mW | hmmm |
22:03.10 | T0mW | ~convert 60000 CAD to USD |
22:03.23 | T0mW | :( |
22:03.34 | pb_ | ibot, change 60000 CAD to USD |
22:03.43 | T0mW | phffft |
22:04.06 | T0mW | I guess convert is for Celsius |
22:04.24 | T0mW | ~convert 25C to F |
22:04.26 | pb_ | ibot, convert 10 hours to millifornights |
22:04.29 | pb_ | ibot, convert 10 hours to milliforntights |
22:04.32 | T0mW | heh |
22:04.34 | pb_ | ibot, convert 10 hours to millifortnights |
22:04.39 | pb_ | heh, third time luck |
22:04.42 | pb_ | y |
22:05.31 | T0mW | ibot, do you know what you are doing? |
22:05.33 | ibot | yes, I know what you are doing. |
22:06.05 | T0mW | ibot, then, why didn't you stop me? |
22:11.06 | T0mW | chouimat|busy: I hope you get the job, then you can really have something to bitch about. Good for the old blood pressure, heh |
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22:22.37 | chouimat|busy | T0mW: hehe |
22:23.19 | T0mW | chouimat|busy: you watch, you greedy so-and-so, God will visit this contract upon you just to punish you! |
22:23.20 | T0mW | he |
22:23.22 | T0mW | heh |
22:24.06 | chouimat|busy | T0mW: bah |
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22:24.57 | TimRiker | so zipitpet posted the code to encrypt/decrypt the zipit rom images, but the code uses key files and there are no docs on creating those. |
22:25.43 | CosmicPenguin | Its always something |
22:50.43 | Sgt-Donan | bn |