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00:00.49kergothCosmicPenguin: got it defining conditionals for STATIC for each group of plugins, and per plugin CFLAGS/LIBS get defined, and have macros to manipulate them.
00:01.13kergothK_PLUGINS_INIT
00:01.13kergothK_PLUGIN_ADD([sqlite3])
00:01.13kergothK_PLUGIN_CFLAGS([sqlite3], [-I/usr/local/include])
00:01.13kergothK_PLUGIN_LIBS([sqlite3], [-L/usr/local/lib -lsqlite3])
00:01.13kergothK_PLUGINS_DESC([Database backends to enable.])
00:01.16kergothK_PLUGINS_OUTPUT
00:01.44CosmicPenguinwow
00:02.19kergothnow, i'll do up an example Makefile.am on how to use it effectively
00:21.18hardwirejuuuuuuuuuust wonderfull
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01:50.34hardwireapparently.
02:15.37markl_CosmicPenguin: yeah american idiot is excellent
02:15.49markl_i really enjoy holiday
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14:10.32cbrakeprpplague: morning
14:10.38prpplaguecbrake: morning
14:10.46prpplaguecbrake: whats cookin today?
14:16.57cbrakeprpplague: not a lot new.  OE builds are working out pretty well for our IDP.  Need to figure out MTD maps today.  And a bunch of WinCE stuff (my primary project ATM).
14:17.14cbrakeprpplague:  how long are you going to be in the states yet?
14:17.32prpplaguecbrake: cool, so you've intergrated oe into your build process?
14:17.43prpplaguecbrake: leaving on the 24th
14:18.24cbrakeprpplague: yes.  OE builds everything -- even U-boot.  Start it up and a few hours later you get a BL image, kernel image, and rootfs image :-)
14:18.38prpplaguecbrake: lovely
14:18.55prpplaguecbrake: there is something about OE that just doesn't sit with me
14:19.16prpplaguecbrake: tried several times over the years to get it working for several of my builds
14:20.30cbrakeprpplague: yeah, I know what you mean.  It has taken me quite a while to get to the point where I can use if effectively -- and I still don't understand much of it.
14:21.35prpplaguecbrake: hehe, i'm still a fan of andersee 's buildroot stuff
14:22.30cbrakeprpplague: never tried it yet, but I hear lots of good things about it.  Does it contain any support for OPIE or GPE?
14:23.18prpplaguecbrake: not per se, it doesn't really include meta data like oe
14:26.18cbrakeyea, guess that is why I've been sticking w/ OE -- life is too short to manually cross compile all those apps.  Guess it also depends what type of system you are building.  Buildroot is no doubt best for smaller systems.
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14:27.32chouimatyay!!! login coredump :(
14:27.48prpplague^2doh
14:27.50prpplague^2we've been having problems with our firewall killing my irc connections for some reason
14:28.30chouimatprpplague^2: spent the night trying to understand why login coredump of the cf and not on the hdd
14:28.47prpplague^2chouimat: and? any resultS?
14:30.16chouimatprpplague^2: no
14:30.34chouimatprpplague^2: and the release date is today at 17:00
14:30.38prpplague^2doh
14:31.27chouimatprpplague^2: so I'm trying to see what happens when I downgrade from FreeBSD 5.3 to 4.11 (last version was on 4.9 so should be easier and faster to make it working)
14:32.49chouimatprpplague^2: and I will spend more time to investigate the problem with 5.3 in the following days
14:40.24prpplaguechouimat: lovely
14:40.34prpplaguechouimat: who is this for? i thought you didn't have a job
14:40.52chouimatprpplague: update for a old customer
14:41.01prpplagueahh
14:41.31chouimatprpplague: currently thinking about starting Naked Computer Guy Consulting (the domain is not taken yet )
14:50.13CosmicPenguinCrazy linux-pm guys - can't figure out the timezones
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16:02.23CP|LaptopI'm multitasking meetings
16:03.11chouimatCP|Laptop: bad
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16:54.36chouimat|tiredprpplague: guess what? the stuff work #1 with 4.11
17:12.42prpplaguechouimat|tired: lovely
17:13.03chouimat|tiredprpplague: did the last 2weeks job in 15 minutes :(
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17:25.05prpplaguehehe
17:27.02prpplagueCosmicPenguin: so you ever thought about moving over to the alchemy group there at amd?
17:31.15hardwirewhat do they do?
17:32.56prpplaguehardwire: embedded mips
17:33.51CosmicPenguinprpplague: not really, I couldn't stand austin
17:34.08prpplagueCosmicPenguin: hehe, you didn't like austin? wow
17:34.11CosmicPenguinI work closely with them on architecture stuff though
17:34.18CosmicPenguinprpplague: I like being there for 48 hours
17:34.26CosmicPenguinI couldn't live there - not a chance in hell
17:34.32prpplagueCosmicPenguin: i think thats the first time i've ever heard someone say that
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17:49.48TimRikerhmm. anyone use pivot_root under 2.6? the kernel processes have the old /initrd/dev/console in use.
17:50.05TimRikerso I can't umount the old fs.
17:56.22prpplagueTimRiker: not me, i'm still using 2.4
17:56.45prpplagueTimRiker: seems like jammhq over in #ltsp had a similiar problem with 2.6
17:58.09CosmicPenguinI not sure if any of the oe'ers have been pivot_rooting in 2.6 or not
17:58.18CosmicPenguinI use unionfs, but I'm not pivot_rooting
17:58.50hardwireI was just about to say something like that
17:59.00hardwireit was gonna be smart
17:59.01hardwireand cool
18:00.49prpplagueboy sandisk has alot of great app notes
18:01.20prpplaguei'm really surprised, i would not have expected sandisk to be so forth coming with implmentation information
18:02.38prpplaguewith the combination of about 4 docs on their website, you have everything you need to write a sd driver
18:02.44chouimat|tiredcoool
18:16.19TimRikerhmm. 2.6 initrd images seem to use /sbin/pivot_root and kernel processes get the new /dev/console ok.
18:16.50TimRikerhowever when I call pivot_root from not-an-initrd they don't change and I can't umount the old root.
18:23.50Crofton|workmy OSK has expired
18:24.28prpplaguegave up the ghost eh
18:24.33Crofton|workyeah
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18:24.50Crofton|workThe "fix it" button doesn't fix it
18:25.03Crofton|workI must have buggered the boot loader somwhow
18:25.25sjhillprpplague: i agree
18:25.28prpplagueCrofton|work: you can spell relief as J T A G
18:25.32Crofton|workheh
18:25.50Crofton|workI think I will try JP3 in the other position
18:26.35prpplaguesjhill: this mmc/sd stuff is really interesting, all the pieces you need to write drivers are there, just not in one place
18:27.06sjhillprpplague: dude, that is like all of open source in general
18:27.21prpplaguesjhill: well, i've found it even more so in the mmc/sd stuff
18:27.38Crofton|workhmm internal bootloader is print 10 dots
18:27.59Crofton|workAnd then some guys walk in looking for a demo :)
18:32.59TimRikerCrofton_: use the FRU on the wiki page to reload a bootloader.
18:33.19TimRikeroh. the jumper is wrong if you are getting 10 dots.
18:34.02Crofton|workhmm
18:34.05TimRikerbut it does not boot with jp3 to the right?
18:34.09Crofton|workThey've left
18:34.21Crofton|workwith JP3 to the right nothing happens
18:34.55Crofton|workping TimRiker
18:35.11TimRikerhttp://tree.celinuxforum.org/CelfPubWiki/OSK has OSK5912FlashRecoveryUtility.zip
18:35.52TimRikerinstall the drivers on a windows xp box. put jp3 to the left, and hook it up to the xp box. run the fru uility and you can reload the bootloader.
18:35.53Crofton|workWhat should I expect with JP3 moved to the left position?
18:36.23TimRikerwith jp3 to the left you are in "full boot" mode. the 64k rom inside the cpu kicks in.
18:36.29Crofton|workhmm
18:36.38Crofton|workI only get dots
18:36.43TimRikerit can talk to usb (ie: the FRU) or to serial.
18:36.44Crofton|work115200 baud?
18:37.15TimRikerCrofton|work: the protocol is not documented. the only thing I have that knows how to talk to it is the FRU.
18:37.28Crofton|workAH
18:37.31Crofton|workOK
18:37.43Crofton|workso internal is not people friendly?
18:37.53TimRikerin theory you could upload a new rom over serial, but I don't have a tool to do that.
18:38.24Crofton|workrecovery tool is for widders?
18:38.30TimRikeryeah. =(
18:38.31Crofton|workoops yes
18:38.59Crofton|workI swear, right as I do this, some guys walk in wanting a demo :)
18:39.05TimRikerthough folks tell me it works in a linux hosted vmware windows session.
18:39.25TimRikerCrofton|work: got jtag? that's another option.
18:39.44Crofton|workheh no jtag
18:39.48Crofton|workwe are academics
18:39.53TimRikerk. got a windows box then?
18:40.00Crofton|workwhat software would work with jtag?
18:40.03Crofton|workyeah
18:40.03prpplagueCrofton|work: whats academics got to do with jtag??
18:40.06TimRikerCrofton|work: prpplague has cheap jtag par port adapters.
18:40.18Crofton|worksee sw question
18:40.26Crofton|workActually we may have some JTAG stuff
18:40.29TimRikerjflash is a common too.
18:40.51prpplagueCrofton|work: jflash is easy to modify
18:40.53TimRikerer tool. just does flash read/write over jtag.
18:41.02prpplagueCrofton|work: as i had it working with the innovator
18:41.14TimRikerbut if you had a winxp box, the FRU is faster.
18:41.18prpplagueCrofton|work: jtag is your friend
18:41.58TimRikershould be possible to watch the FRU from a vmware session and build a linux tool to do the same. not tried that.
18:42.52TimRikerCrofton|work: note that you'll need a usb gender changer for the FRU. the osk has a host port and so does the winxp box.
18:43.14TimRikerneed a A to A cable. no smarts in it, just a straight through.
18:43.15Crofton|workthanks
18:43.58TimRikerhttp://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0151901 <- I use something like this.
18:44.05Crofton|workLeet ne wack at it a bit
18:44.23Crofton|worker Let me wack
18:44.42TimRikerwhatcha gonna try first? finding an xp box and the fru?
18:44.50Crofton|workheh
18:45.02Crofton|workThere is a convenient wondows box
18:45.10Crofton|workI think this will go first
18:45.33TimRikerif so you'll be the first non-TIer I know of that's tried it. I sent the FRU to some folks at Sony and they may have used it, but I've not heard back.
18:45.38Crofton|workjflash is linux program?
18:45.41Crofton|workHeh
18:45.51TimRikerjflash is linux, yes.
18:45.57hardwirerated over 20A
18:45.57Crofton|workI was hoping to see something ion the mistral LCD this afternoon :)
18:46.04hardwireanybody seen a bugger that can do that?
18:46.30TimRikerCrofton|work: I'm running debian-unstable on my osk now with a udrive and have X running on the mistral.
18:46.50TimRikernot very "embedded" but a nice env to hack on.
18:47.12Crofton|workCool
18:47.15Crofton|work2.4 based?
18:47.29TimRikeryeah at present. I'll hack on 2.6 soon.
18:47.44Crofton|workI'll let you know what happens when I am making forward progress again
18:48.17Crofton|workYou swapping to the microdrive?
18:50.15Crofton|workOK now I have to smoke with my leader who I failed in the demo with :)
18:51.43CosmicPenguinhope you're smoking something good
18:52.28TimRikerapparently so.
19:18.04Crofton_Heh
19:18.09Crofton_Clove cigarettes
19:22.31hardwireI used to smoke cloves
19:22.35Crofton|workheh
19:22.42Crofton|workping TimRiker ?
19:22.45hardwireI WILL DIE SOONER NOW!
19:25.30TimRikerpong
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19:25.46TimRikersooner apparently.
19:25.48Crofton|workThe flash recovery program is USB only?
19:25.52CosmicPenguinWow
19:25.54TimRikerCrofton_: yes.
19:26.02kergoth1:25pm and i just woke up.  forgot to set the alarm
19:26.03kergothgr
19:26.09Crofton|workheh
19:26.17sjhilllol
19:26.18Crofton|workYou belong in college :)
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19:28.11hardwireI will also be booted sooner, apparently.
19:31.36Crofton|workanyone got a website for jflash?
19:34.03prpplagueCrofton|work: lart pages
19:34.18TimRikerCrofton|work: it's hidden in the deep recesses of the internet. or in the tuxscreen cvs.
19:34.19Crofton|workunfortunatly the jtag I have is usb
19:34.35prpplagueCrofton|work: doh
19:34.44prpplagueCrofton|work: no workie with jflash then
19:34.47Crofton|workTimRiker, the flash recovery program is USB only?
19:34.52TimRikerCrofton|work: then you need whatever software came with your usb version.
19:35.02TimRikerCrofton|work: yes. (still)
19:35.02prpplagueCrofton|work: which jtag dongle do you have?
19:35.09Crofton|workspectrum digital
19:35.30Crofton|workI'm getting ready to shop for gender thingy
19:35.32hardwireyou know when I knew I liked the company I worked for
19:35.44hardwirewhen I spent a day drawing doodles on the whiteboard to help me define a network
19:35.44prpplagueTimRiker: the jflash on the tuxxscreen site has _way_ too many sa-11xx isms
19:35.55hardwireand the higher ups walked in and just marvelled at the genius
19:35.59hardwiresee..
19:36.12TimRikerCrofton|work: CCS works with the SD USB jtag. I have the xds510usb here.
19:36.20hardwirethat to me was a good sign that even as newb as I am .. I still hold quite the flame compared to the rest of the company..
19:36.22hardwireso sad..
19:36.30Crofton|workYeah, I'm not sure exactly what we have in the way of code composer
19:36.47prpplagueCrofton|work: http://www.lart.tudelft.nl/projects/jtag/
19:36.57Crofton|workBasically I need a usb cable and an A to B thingy?
19:37.05Crofton|workYeah, I found that
19:37.49prpplagueCrofton|work: if you have a parallel port dongle, you can have jflash running pretty quick
19:38.12Crofton|workHeh, the parallel port thingy is the limiting factor
19:38.16Crofton|workHow much are yours?
19:38.23prpplague$30.00
19:38.36Crofton|workHeh, we'll keep that in mind
19:38.37prpplagueyou can build one for around $5.00
19:38.43TimRikerand the software is free.
19:38.51Crofton|workWhen I calm down after this circus I may order one
19:39.03Crofton|workBut I want to see the penguin today !
19:39.06Crofton|work:)
19:39.17prpplaguehttp://projects.buici.com/jtag/
19:40.01hardwireis jtag a standard?
19:40.20prpplaguehardwire: http://www.elinux.org/wiki/JTAG
19:40.28hardwireright on mofo
19:40.47hardwirethem theres a perty wiki
19:41.29TimRikeror you can get the xds510usb for $1799 and CCS for $5400
19:41.32hardwirewhat the heck i8s a zipit!
19:41.37prpplagueyou know the old saying, give a man a fish
19:41.43prpplaguehardwire: http://www.elinux.org/wiki/ZipIt
19:41.47hardwireoh.. I see
19:41.53hardwireit just seems crazy like
19:41.59prpplaguehardwire: ?
19:42.03hardwireanybody here have one?
19:42.09Crofton|workHeh, I'm off to the store :)
19:42.26Crofton|workApparently alcoholim is rampant in rural Alaska
19:42.46hardwireyou bet it is
19:42.58hardwirethere were people walking around with their dogs at the park with beers yesterday
19:43.00hardwirea whole lot of em
19:43.08hardwirethats so a no no
19:43.24hardwireor are you talking about me?
19:43.27TimRikerhardwire: I have a Zipit. there are folks hacking em on the yahoo boards. I've not yet modded mine.
19:44.18prpplagueTimRiker: hehe, old habbit
19:44.28hardwireprpplague: the dick tracy watch..
19:44.42hardwirethe inductive charger.. just hang around AC lines all day and the watch charges?
19:45.35Crofton_TimRiker, Can I use my own uboot image with the FRP?
19:46.17prpplagueTimRiker: i don't think rmk ever posted his jtag tools
19:46.41Crofton_Or does the one included have the "right" number for booting 2.6 kernels?
19:47.00Crofton_Heh, guess he's working :)
19:47.39TimRikerCrofton|work: yes. one of the images in that dir is the uboot image. just replace it.
19:48.08TimRikerprpplague: rmk's tools were in a cvs server someplace. I forget where.
19:48.12kergothah, lazy, thats a reason i can understand :)
19:48.32hardwirehttp://www.yesicanusechopsticks.com/capsule/
19:48.33hardwirecreepy
19:48.52TimRikerkergoth: I keep meaning to add a ~today macro to ibot bot you, but same excuse. too lazy.
19:52.08prpplagueTimRiker: hmm, i'll check again
19:53.58prpplagueTimRiker: you are right - http://cvs.arm.linux.org.uk/cgi/viewcvs.cgi/jtag/
19:54.57prpplagueTimRiker: added to the page
19:56.20TimRikercool.
19:57.27TimRikerCrofton|work: I looked around the office and found a usb-A to usb-A cable. I suspect you may find one too if you ask around. one of my cheapo usb cameras uses that style.
19:57.56prpplagueTimRiker: so, about the sd interface for the zipit
19:58.04TimRikeryeah? got pins?
19:58.13prpplagueTimRiker: well i have two options
19:58.39prpplagueTimRiker: either use 4 gpio's or go through the serial port
19:59.16prpplagueTimRiker: if i go through the serial port, i'll be using a PIC to do the spi
19:59.33prpplagueTimRiker: which would give us access to some more gpios
19:59.42prpplagueTimRiker: (on the PIC)
20:01.50prpplagueTimRiker: the 7312 has spi, but i'm not sure if its brought out
20:05.42TimRikercheaper is better imho. i'd rather use gpio or spi if we can find the pins.
20:13.13prpplagueTimRiker: i'd have to look and see if the spi is brought out
20:13.24prpplagueTimRiker: the spi isn't multiplexed
20:13.35prpplagueTimRiker: so its doubtful that it is being used for something else
20:14.21prpplagueTimRiker: i wonder if the wifi chip is being access on the bus or via spi
20:16.39prpplagueTimRiker: hehe, i need to buy a couple, and take the cpu off so i can see the traces
20:29.45TimRikerthe kernel source is there. should be able to tell if the spi is in use by grepping that. still need to find the pins though.
20:30.15TimRikerdid someone get jtag working? could use jtag to toggle the spi pins and then look for the signal.
20:30.34TimRikerI suppose a modified kernel would work too.
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20:30.42sjhillwhatcha' guys buildin'?
20:31.02ShakaZulusexy women
20:31.03sjhillShakaZulu: you kill me Soopaman
20:32.27prpplaguesjhill: i have a crazy idea about adding a sd/mmc slot to the zipit
20:32.56sjhillyeah, you get crazy points for that
20:35.07prpplaguesjhill: hehe
20:35.18prpplaguesjhill: i've fallen in love with mmc/sd
20:35.28prpplaguesjhill: really neat for small projects
20:37.09prpplagueTimRiker: yea, it wouldn't take much to toggle the spi lines
20:39.25prpplagueTimRiker: i found that the rockbox project has some great sd/mmc code
20:39.32prpplagueTimRiker: very well writen
20:43.26Crofton|workTimRiker, How do I install the windows driver for the flash recovery utility?
20:44.54Crofton|workHow do I recompile the windows kernel?
20:45.49kergoth..
20:45.54Crofton|workHeh
20:46.10Crofton|workI tried pluuging the OSK into the USB port but that didn't work
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20:51.55TimRikerCrofton|work: did you have jp3 to the left at the time?
20:52.15TimRikerthen reset the osk, and windows should ask for a driver.
20:54.59Crofton|workoops now
20:55.34Crofton|workI am not real good at this windows stuff
20:55.59prpplague^2s/stuff/@#$@#
20:58.31Crofton|workum does the driver work with widder 2000?
21:02.30TimRikerhttp://tree.celinuxforum.org/CelfPubWiki/FlashRecoveryUtility <- adding stuff here...
21:02.52TimRikerCrofton|work: don't know. it might. XP is the only thing I've tried it on.
21:03.01TimRikerfeel free to add comments to the wiki page.
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21:11.48prpplaguejeeze cingulars web site sucks
21:15.06Crofton|workTimeRiker: does the flash recover work with the osk?
21:15.24Crofton|works/Time/Tim
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21:54.19Croftonyay beer
21:54.25prpplague^2wahoo beer
21:54.36prpplague^2chouimat|beer: drink something good
21:54.49prpplague^2chouimat|beer: not any of that yellow american piss, hehe
21:55.07Croftonum bber
22:10.03chouimat|pubprpplague^2: i got invited at a st.patrick party so ... guess what I will drink ;)
22:10.21prpplague^2chouimat|pub: an irish red?
22:10.36chouimat|pubprpplague^2: guinness or cider or whatever
22:11.18TimRikerCrofton|work: huh? the FRU is only for the OSK.
22:12.23TimRikerany omap 16xx, 17xx, 2xxx and probably more uses a similar protocol, but would ID as a different device under windows.
22:25.25CroftonYeah, we couldn't club 2K or XP into using the USB driver
22:26.21CroftonI need to bolt, but if you want to ask me about our problems, I amy be able to spend some time trying to figure out why it isn't working for us
22:26.45CroftonWe found an eval copy of code composer and a jtag and got that hooked up
22:26.58kergothi read 'eval' as 'evil'
22:27.02kergothand i thought 'yep.'
22:27.23Croftonheh
22:27.37CroftonWe had the jtag for another project
22:27.47CroftonWe could get 10 OSK's for the price :)
22:27.59kergothhehe
22:28.14CroftonI have gone backward today
22:28.21CroftonTime to quit before I do more damage
22:28.32Croftonl8r
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22:44.49TimRikerhmm. /me wonders why the drivers didn't work.
22:45.46TimRikeribot: 5400 + 1799 / 295
22:45.47ibot5406.098305084745
22:45.55TimRikeribot: ( 5400 + 1799 ) / 295
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22:46.05TimRiker24 OSKs in fact.
22:47.48TimRikeribot: dict silly
22:48.37file[laptop]exactly
22:56.54file[laptop]now through the smoke she calls to me... to make my way across the flame
22:56.59file[laptop]to save the day or maybe melt away
22:57.03file[laptop]I guess it's all the same
22:57.07file[laptop]so I will walk through the fire
22:57.35CosmicPenguinHey people
22:58.02*** join/#elinux jamie (~jamie@82.152.157.198)
22:58.34file[laptop]hi CosmicPenguin
22:59.07file[laptop]these endless are finally ending in a blaze
22:59.13file[laptop]and we are caught in the fire... the point of no return
22:59.34CosmicPenguinfile[laptop]: werd
22:59.57file[laptop]waddup?
23:00.46CosmicPenguinfile[laptop]: I'm getting nothing out of marketing, I've escalated the problem
23:00.52CosmicPenguinfile[laptop]: I apologize for their stupidity
23:01.04file[laptop]haha
23:01.06file[laptop]you're funny

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