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| 15:16.34 | prpplague | sjhill: lo ho! |
| 15:18.52 | chouimat|ibook | morning |
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| 15:21.13 | prpplague | chouimat|ibook: hey |
| 15:21.21 | prpplague | chouimat|ibook: things any better? |
| 15:25.59 | chouimat|ibook | prpplague: a little |
| 15:33.50 | sjhill | prpplague: hello |
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| 15:38.39 | prpplague | sjhill: whats cookin? |
| 15:43.52 | CosmicPenguin | Fellas, fellas, fellas |
| 15:46.40 | chouimat|ibook | argggggllll only java/c# jobs today :( |
| 15:46.59 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yo! |
| 15:47.07 | chouimat|ibook | hey CosmicPenguin |
| 15:47.31 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: hows the fam doin' in paradise? What is it, like 80 down there? |
| 15:48.14 | chouimat|ibook | 80F .... phew .... I thought that CosmicPenguin was saying 80C .... |
| 15:49.03 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: http://www.weather.com/outlook/travel/airportprofile/BGI |
| 15:50.17 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: yeah... wouldn't that be nice |
| 15:50.23 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, the high for the next 10-days is exactl the same 87 |
| 15:50.42 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: and the low 76 |
| 15:51.22 | chouimat|ibook | CosmicPenguin: yes I know if God wanted the US to use the metric system Jesus would only chose 10 apostles ... |
| 15:51.37 | prpplague | chouimat|ibook: hehe, thats a good one |
| 15:52.10 | chouimat|ibook | prpplague: yup but I offended some people too with it :) |
| 15:52.14 | prpplague | chouimat|ibook: hehe, and if god wanted texans to snow ski, he'd have made cow patties white |
| 15:52.28 | chouimat|ibook | hehe |
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| 16:10.01 | sjhill | prpplague: my son was born on Saturday the 5th...been kind of busy...he spent 4 days in NICU |
| 16:10.17 | prpplague | sjhill: ouch |
| 16:10.24 | sjhill | he's doing fine now |
| 16:10.29 | sjhill | no permanent damage |
| 16:10.29 | prpplague | sjhill: hehe, to bad he couldn't wait a day |
| 16:10.37 | sjhill | 6th? |
| 16:10.40 | sjhill | heh |
| 16:10.56 | prpplague | sjhill: do you have any march monkeys in your family? |
| 16:11.17 | sjhill | nope |
| 16:11.23 | prpplague | sjhill: hehe, you are in for some fun |
| 16:11.24 | sjhill | i was born in Feb. and my wife in Apr. |
| 16:11.51 | prpplague | sjhill: march ppl are fun fun |
| 16:12.18 | prpplague | sjhill: congrads |
| 16:12.34 | sjhill | thx |
| 16:13.12 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: yeah - mazletov |
| 16:14.26 | sjhill | ? |
| 16:14.55 | CosmicPenguin | I'm from Wyoming dammit - cut me some slack |
| 16:15.01 | sjhill | oh |
| 16:15.14 | sjhill | i'm not sure we can be friends anymore then |
| 16:15.17 | sjhill | :P |
| 16:16.15 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 16:16.25 | CosmicPenguin | I get that alot |
| 16:18.01 | chouimat | shit |
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| 16:40.29 | fishhead | my static/esd protection bags for all my equipement came in the mail today! YAY!!!! now I can start packing stuff up to move out of the house! |
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| 16:46.04 | cdm | morning |
| 16:46.58 | prpplague | file: you seen that yak.com ? |
| 16:47.30 | file | sounds familiar |
| 16:47.49 | file | oh, yeah |
| 16:48.03 | prpplague | file: any good? |
| 16:48.35 | file | never tried 'em |
| 16:48.38 | file | I remember them though |
| 16:49.19 | prpplague | gotta figure out what yo use soon |
| 17:10.22 | fishhead | prpp! |
| 17:10.25 | fishhead | don't leave me! |
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| 18:00.34 | chouimat|lunch | hi file[mac] |
| 18:03.42 | file[mac] | hi |
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| 18:26.37 | prpplague | kergoth: the new sharp c1000 looks pretty sweet |
| 18:27.49 | chouimat | prpplague: url |
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| 18:28.55 | prpplague | chouimat: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5128534085.html |
| 18:29.31 | chouimat | prpplague: nice |
| 18:30.19 | hardwire | ok |
| 18:30.22 | hardwire | I definatly want one |
| 18:30.31 | hardwire | every day we are getting closer and closer to triquarters |
| 18:32.10 | Crofton | I bought a webpal of ebay over the weekend, mainly for comedy value |
| 18:35.48 | prpplague | Crofton: hehe, why comedy? those are sweet little boxes |
| 18:36.37 | Crofton | Well, mainly for the comedy of running linux on TV |
| 18:36.43 | prpplague | ahh |
| 18:36.52 | Crofton | Any idea if you can get them to use 802.11? |
| 18:37.00 | Crofton | and me thrashing around with it |
| 18:37.10 | prpplague | Crofton: ISA pcmcia adapter |
| 18:37.10 | Crofton | cool |
| 18:37.17 | Crofton | AH |
| 18:37.22 | Crofton | thank you |
| 18:37.57 | Crofton | PCMCIA is cool |
| 18:38.13 | Crofton | 4G microdrive in our OSK is amusing |
| 18:38.49 | T` | hello people |
| 18:39.17 | T` | whats that bot command to find when a person was last seen? |
| 18:39.32 | Crofton | ~seen T |
| 18:39.45 | ibot | t <thilan@137.158.204.68.cfl.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 260d 3h 13m 24s ago, saying: 'xoz: Great ! I most certainly will !'. |
| 18:39.45 | Crofton | ~T |
| 18:39.46 | ibot | rumour has it, t is ibot's idiotic master from hell that uses Wind0ze... |
| 18:40.16 | kergoth | bleh |
| 18:40.19 | CosmicPenguin | ditto |
| 18:40.43 | kergoth | so.. i had this stuff i had to get done like a week ago.. and my boss went on vacation.. and it isnt done.. and he's back |
| 18:40.48 | kergoth | today isnt going to be a fun day |
| 18:40.50 | Crofton | Be a grad student, every good idea you have only increases your work load |
| 18:40.52 | prpplague | kergoth: hehe |
| 18:40.58 | T` | thanks Crofton |
| 18:41.09 | Crofton | T`, np |
| 18:41.15 | kergoth | prpplague: i'm debating quitting. i'm really just a burden on ti atm, and i'm running out of time anyway |
| 18:41.18 | prpplague | kergoth: instead of a red ribbon day, its gonna be a pink slip day? |
| 18:41.20 | T` | ~seen t0mw |
| 18:41.21 | ibot | t0mw <~Tom@24.229.169.198.res-cmts.tv13.ptd.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #elinux, 4d 1h 32m 5s ago, saying: 'TV == mindless erosion of mental resources'. |
| 18:41.41 | kergoth | prpplague: thinking about heading back to MN for a couple months. crash at my townhouse with my dad, cut the expenses while i figure out what to do next |
| 18:41.55 | prpplague | kergoth: bummer |
| 18:42.13 | kergoth | well, its the only way to get my expenses low enough while i decide waht to do |
| 18:42.17 | kergoth | and dont have any family in tx |
| 18:42.19 | hardwire | what I really need is to buy an LCD with 802.11b in it |
| 18:42.24 | hardwire | and an RFB extension |
| 18:42.25 | hardwire | nothing else |
| 18:42.34 | hardwire | well |
| 18:42.36 | hardwire | some logic |
| 18:42.37 | hardwire | but still |
| 18:42.51 | hardwire | if I could send PDF's to somebodies ID'ed LCD |
| 18:42.56 | hardwire | and they could walk around with it |
| 18:42.59 | hardwire | and browse through it |
| 18:43.01 | prpplague | kergoth: yea |
| 18:43.04 | hardwire | then wipe it off as soon as their done |
| 18:43.07 | prpplague | kergoth: believe me i understand |
| 18:43.08 | hardwire | that would save some paper :) |
| 18:43.17 | hardwire | I would be a hero to treehuggers everywhere! |
| 18:43.51 | Crofton | My friend sat on his PDA in a druken stupor Friday, cracked the LCD |
| 18:43.53 | hardwire | woooo for coffee |
| 18:44.00 | Crofton | no loss in my eyes, it runs wince |
| 18:44.03 | hardwire | Crofton: did you call him a dumbass? |
| 18:44.13 | Crofton | no |
| 18:44.17 | hardwire | you sohuld |
| 18:44.21 | hardwire | should even |
| 18:44.22 | hardwire | or call me one |
| 18:44.25 | hardwire | it feels good |
| 18:44.32 | Crofton | Well, that would be like the pot calling the kettle black |
| 18:44.43 | file[laptop] | what if the kettle really is black? |
| 18:44.53 | Crofton | We take turns being the note so bright friend |
| 18:45.00 | prpplague | kergoth: i really need to leave early this afternoon to finish up with my moving |
| 18:45.06 | Crofton | kergoth, go to college |
| 18:45.08 | prpplague | kergoth: my mind really isn't here today |
| 18:45.18 | Crofton | pay off debt with low interest student loans |
| 18:45.30 | Crofton | but don't mention I suggested that :) |
| 18:45.32 | hardwire | my mind is going.. dave.. |
| 18:45.57 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:46.09 | kergoth | i'd like to go back to school, but i really need to figure out wtf i _want_ to do first |
| 18:46.18 | Crofton | heh |
| 18:46.33 | Crofton | you can figure out while you are in school :) |
| 18:46.54 | Crofton | good undergrad degrees should have broad covereage |
| 18:46.59 | prpplague | kergoth: yea i can understand that |
| 18:47.20 | Crofton | the main point is you can set a goal and complete eat in a time frame |
| 18:47.23 | hardwire | kergoth: go be a teacher |
| 18:47.25 | hardwire | or a fireman |
| 18:47.33 | hardwire | or an space man |
| 18:47.40 | hardwire | live out any and all childhood dreams |
| 18:47.51 | hardwire | I am trying to turn into aqua man myself.. |
| 18:47.55 | kergoth | Crofton: heh. i went to college for about a year, ended up overloading myself and burning myself out. but still, that year didnt get me any closer to figuring it out |
| 18:48.01 | hardwire | just can't. umph.. grow gills. |
| 18:48.11 | prpplague | kergoth: yea, btdt |
| 18:48.12 | Crofton | heh, alot of people make that mistake |
| 18:48.17 | kergoth | you do have a point though, if i cover at least the main generals, thatd help |
| 18:48.20 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:48.31 | kergoth | could always switch careers a few times. get a couple degrees |
| 18:48.35 | kergoth | (as time passes) |
| 18:48.36 | hardwire | no fireman? |
| 18:48.38 | Crofton | A guy that did some work for us a undergrad flunked out |
| 18:48.39 | kergoth | no fireman |
| 18:48.44 | hardwire | thats sad |
| 18:48.49 | prpplague | kergoth: hehe, get you some young college geek groupies |
| 18:48.50 | kergoth | :( |
| 18:48.53 | hardwire | then again you would scalrd your lip |
| 18:48.56 | Crofton | partly because He'd rather work on the stuff for us than his school work |
| 18:48.56 | hardwire | scald |
| 18:49.35 | kergoth | Crofton: ah, thats no good |
| 18:50.06 | Crofton | um groupies |
| 18:50.07 | Crofton | spring is coming, clothing improves on undergrads ... |
| 18:50.16 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:50.35 | Crofton | heh, some of them dress like strippers |
| 18:50.47 | Crofton | of course in my group there are almost 0 women |
| 18:51.00 | kergoth | now _thats_ a good reason to go back to school |
| 18:51.01 | kergoth | :P |
| 18:51.32 | Crofton | good reason not to graduate |
| 18:51.35 | hardwire | grr |
| 18:51.39 | hardwire | I am so mad at people |
| 18:51.48 | hardwire | they put the stupidest people in charge of disaster recovery. |
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| 18:51.54 | Crofton | people suck |
| 18:52.11 | CosmicPenguin | Ok - I need a purpose in life |
| 18:52.30 | hardwire | after the Exxon Valdez there was a law stating all oil spills needed to employ the best technology bids for comms and recon after each oil spill. |
| 18:52.35 | hardwire | to help clean it up. |
| 18:53.11 | hardwire | there was another one in alaska before this dutch harbor one.. and a guy put in a proposal that was pretty simple but it would have helped the cleanup effort quite a bit. |
| 18:53.14 | hardwire | they denied it |
| 18:53.19 | hardwire | so he used Mr Justice. |
| 18:53.31 | hardwire | and got awarded $1,000,000 ish |
| 18:53.38 | hardwire | and that law doesn't exist now. |
| 18:53.41 | hardwire | which really sucks |
| 18:53.47 | file[laptop] | hardwire: I have VON pics |
| 18:53.55 | hardwire | file[laptop]: gimme |
| 18:54.03 | hardwire | don't distract me.. I am bitching |
| 18:54.03 | file[laptop] | it'll take awhile to upload |
| 18:54.24 | hardwire | to sum it up.. my proposal for using solid voice relay over sat was denied |
| 18:54.29 | hardwire | and data relay |
| 18:54.49 | file[laptop] | why now? |
| 18:54.50 | hardwire | because the head ops decided using single sideband to send 100+ char emails via europe was better and cheaper |
| 18:55.02 | file[laptop] | how, interesting |
| 18:55.12 | hardwire | and they can get voice via many many mountain top repeaters.. via the cell phone coop on the other side of the island |
| 18:55.22 | hardwire | they really don't do their homework |
| 18:55.31 | hardwire | there are 10 agencys acting on this spill |
| 18:55.49 | hardwire | 6 of them are wildlife rescue and fish and game officials |
| 18:56.02 | hardwire | that all need to send real attachments |
| 18:56.05 | hardwire | via email or ftp |
| 18:56.06 | hardwire | what have you |
| 18:56.13 | hardwire | and recieve weather reports on their own |
| 18:56.21 | hardwire | as well as need to use VoIP |
| 18:56.29 | hardwire | so.. instead.. no emails for you |
| 18:56.39 | hardwire | and |
| 18:56.54 | hardwire | the cell company they just hired to set up mountain top repeaters.. only has 6 concurrent lines |
| 18:57.12 | hardwire | and over 50 customers |
| 18:57.18 | hardwire | they already have overcap issues |
| 18:57.25 | hardwire | there will be no priority for voice |
| 18:57.30 | hardwire | just blows my goddamn mind |
| 18:57.38 | file[laptop] | have you told them this? |
| 18:57.49 | hardwire | I don't have to |
| 18:57.51 | hardwire | everybody else is |
| 18:57.59 | file[laptop] | and their reply? |
| 18:58.42 | hardwire | their reply to everybodys proposals was that they had no clue why comms was listed as a global for the project |
| 18:58.56 | file[laptop] | that's a lousy reply |
| 18:58.58 | hardwire | its private to each vessel now that they revised a gov't controlled RFP |
| 18:59.09 | hardwire | just blows my mind what people can get away with |
| 18:59.10 | hardwire | either way |
| 18:59.18 | hardwire | I am still selling my equipment and services to two vessels |
| 18:59.27 | hardwire | since we own land out there I don't need land rights either |
| 18:59.34 | hardwire | so I am going to set up my quadpod sat dish |
| 18:59.38 | hardwire | and generator system |
| 18:59.46 | hardwire | and a few bouys to repeat wifi |
| 18:59.54 | hardwire | and offer 4 prioritized outbound lines |
| 19:00.01 | hardwire | as well as web/email |
| 19:00.07 | hardwire | baka. |
| 19:00.07 | hardwire | you know |
| 19:00.18 | hardwire | I still get to pass $45,000 through atleast one company |
| 19:00.26 | hardwire | but as soon as we get this out there and use it |
| 19:00.32 | hardwire | and the cell companies repeaters blow over |
| 19:00.41 | CosmicPenguin | You sir, are one prolific typer |
| 19:00.45 | hardwire | CosmicPenguin: dude |
| 19:00.49 | hardwire | I was already booted from one channel |
| 19:00.52 | hardwire | because of this mentality |
| 19:00.54 | hardwire | don't boot me |
| 19:01.00 | CosmicPenguin | Hey - chill out pal |
| 19:01.05 | hardwire | I am fine |
| 19:01.06 | CosmicPenguin | I was just commenting on your typing ability |
| 19:01.14 | hardwire | you should hear me talk |
| 19:01.17 | hardwire | its all lazy. |
| 19:01.25 | file[laptop] | he's right, it is |
| 19:01.39 | hardwire | heh |
| 19:01.42 | hardwire | either way.. |
| 19:02.15 | hardwire | once the other 5 vessels find out we have email capability.. and enough inbound data for handling everything they need we are going to be reselling the services for twice what we would have sold them the unit for |
| 19:02.17 | hardwire | which is funny |
| 19:03.05 | hardwire | CosmicPenguin: heh.. I wish I had employees |
| 19:03.13 | hardwire | it would lighten the load on IRC servers if I could vocally bitch |
| 19:03.32 | hardwire | anybody here want to get payed to hear me bitch? |
| 19:03.36 | hardwire | :) |
| 19:04.30 | ljp | no |
| 19:05.23 | hardwire | now thats just sad. |
| 19:05.37 | Crofton | where are you doing this? |
| 19:06.12 | hardwire | I am in Anchorage |
| 19:06.16 | hardwire | the spill is in Dutch harbor |
| 19:06.30 | hardwire | we have a catamaran (fastcat) and a large boat called the Cape Flattery chartered to help the cleanup |
| 19:07.35 | hardwire | initially I was just going to offer data abilities.. via a smart offline data bank being dragged back and forth inbetween the internet side of the island and the boats |
| 19:07.55 | hardwire | basically a carrier pigion with a huge payload |
| 19:08.04 | hardwire | I can't spell worth a damn |
| 19:08.06 | Crofton | ah |
| 19:08.23 | hardwire | but that changed as soon as they told me that the VHF relays and email abilities wouldn't even work inside the cleanup area |
| 19:08.33 | hardwire | and they had to get over 5 miles off shore and 10 miles total away from the spill |
| 19:08.36 | hardwire | just to make a call |
| 19:08.40 | hardwire | what a waste of gass |
| 19:08.42 | hardwire | gas |
| 19:09.42 | hardwire | and time |
| 19:10.29 | file[laptop] | hardwire is very silly |
| 19:11.12 | hardwire | I am very logical! |
| 19:11.17 | hardwire | these guys are silly |
| 19:11.28 | hardwire | restricting voice comms to twice a day |
| 19:12.33 | hardwire | rais |
| 19:12.34 | hardwire | heh |
| 19:22.52 | CosmicPenguin | There are few things worse then a broken process |
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| 19:23.26 | CosmicPenguin | But one of them is your boss forgetting that the process is broken, because he ofloaded it on to you so he could undertake a 3 week journey on figuring out how to multiply two numbers in assembly |
| 19:23.51 | CosmicPenguin | And the other one is that same boss rejecting your proposal for a new process |
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| 19:29.28 | CosmicPenguin | Man - I have officially had every vestige of interesting work stripped from me |
| 19:29.33 | kergoth | :\ |
| 19:29.42 | CosmicPenguin | I'm going to have to invent something soon |
| 19:30.31 | Crofton_ | http://focus.ti.com/docs/toolsw/folders/print/tmdxosk5912.html |
| 19:30.43 | Crofton_ | extra, extra OMAP5912OSK for $150.01 |
| 19:31.58 | Soopaman | CosmicPenguin, can you invent me a job? ;) |
| 19:32.16 | CosmicPenguin | Heh - good point |
| 19:33.05 | file[laptop] | kergoth: and how would you pay bills? |
| 19:33.29 | kergoth | a good friend of mine is willing to hire me to hack on atmel avr firmware while i figure out what to do next |
| 19:33.39 | kergoth | and there, i already have a townhouse, so my expenses would drop drastically |
| 19:34.34 | Soopaman | do you remember how cold it is up here? |
| 19:34.45 | kergoth | heh, yeah. not looking forward to that |
| 19:34.55 | kergoth | but it should only be for a couple months while i decide what to do next |
| 19:34.57 | Soopaman | that's my only argument against it |
| 19:35.38 | kergoth | its a good argument |
| 19:35.45 | kergoth | plus driving in the snow would seriously fuck my crossfire |
| 19:35.52 | kergoth | would need to buy a winter beater car |
| 19:35.55 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:36.18 | Soopaman | heheh |
| 19:36.28 | Soopaman | if you could find a comparable job up here |
| 19:36.29 | Soopaman | definately |
| 19:36.55 | kergoth | well, i'm leaving ti soon no matter what. my time is running out |
| 19:36.56 | Soopaman | i seem to like the people (americans) more the closer they are to the border |
| 19:36.56 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:37.10 | Soopaman | was it a contract position |
| 19:37.11 | Soopaman | ? |
| 19:37.27 | kergoth | nah, i'm just going to end up canned because my productivity is down |
| 19:38.58 | ljp | too much JD |
| 19:39.21 | CosmicPenguin | Or not enough |
| 19:40.12 | ljp | soopaman: you must not like me much, cause I can way far from the border |
| 19:40.20 | ljp | I am way far, that it |
| 19:40.45 | ljp | way south.. and a bit way to the west |
| 19:41.29 | Soopaman | ljp, where you from? |
| 19:42.08 | ljp | from? the US |
| 19:42.16 | Soopaman | i mean where in |
| 19:42.26 | ljp | australia :D |
| 19:42.32 | Soopaman | lol |
| 19:42.38 | Soopaman | the thunda from down unda |
| 19:43.09 | Soopaman | how are the kangeroos, koala bears and sexy women lately? |
| 19:43.24 | ljp | good |
| 19:43.57 | ljp | and topless |
| 19:44.12 | kergoth | yay topless |
| 19:45.37 | Soopaman | i've heard your women are easier than ours |
| 19:45.44 | Soopaman | and even more so than the americans |
| 19:45.45 | Soopaman | :P |
| 19:46.52 | ljp | its too bad my job isnt closer to the beach |
| 19:47.04 | ljp | i keep trying to get them to let me work from the beach |
| 19:47.12 | Soopaman | install wimax |
| 19:48.00 | *** join/#elinux darkschneider (~gab@213-140-22-64.fastres.net) |
| 19:49.59 | ljp | wouldnt help. to much distraction :) |
| 19:51.01 | Soopaman | heheh |
| 19:51.07 | Soopaman | then they are doing you a favor :P |
| 19:51.47 | kergoth | i still havent done my tax return |
| 19:51.55 | kergoth | need to do it for '02, '03, and '04 |
| 19:52.07 | Soopaman | lol |
| 19:52.25 | kergoth | they're all refunds of a couple grand.. thatd be good if i quit. |
| 19:52.26 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:52.32 | kergoth | guess i shoudl gte off my ass and do it |
| 19:53.12 | kergoth | bastard :) |
| 19:53.18 | kergoth | how are things at TT? |
| 19:54.23 | ljp | good. about to go live with this web site, finally |
| 19:54.40 | chouimat | ljp: HI |
| 19:55.12 | ljp | hey |
| 19:55.26 | file[laptop] | kergoth: how ironic, here I am installing the tax software for my parents |
| 19:55.27 | ljp | looking forward to linux.conf.au |
| 19:58.08 | hardwire | yay |
| 19:59.11 | hardwire | heh |
| 19:59.28 | hardwire | so one of my clients is in the uh.. naughty business helping the porn industry on the E side of things |
| 19:59.37 | hardwire | and he just went to his first porn conference |
| 20:00.00 | hardwire | he said its a little like really liking ice cream |
| 20:00.05 | hardwire | and then going to an ice cream factory.. |
| 20:00.11 | hardwire | and then leaving and not wanting ice cream anymore |
| 20:00.20 | chouimat | hardwire: LOL |
| 20:00.37 | hardwire | heheh |
| 20:00.57 | hardwire | that and their booth waws directly acrossed from a butch gay porno producer |
| 20:01.11 | hardwire | he can't go into motorcycle shops anymore after that. |
| 20:01.18 | chouimat | hardwire: I wonder what are the actual talks |
| 20:01.22 | hardwire | because they had 3 projectors at their booth with gigantic screens |
| 20:01.35 | hardwire | a lot of them at this one were about how to survive online |
| 20:01.46 | hardwire | and how to get payment associations like visa and mastercard to accept you |
| 20:02.07 | hardwire | I am striking up a contract right now with a calling card company that doubles their calling cards as e-debit cards |
| 20:02.18 | hardwire | so anonymous debit cards |
| 20:02.20 | hardwire | for the most part |
| 20:02.39 | hardwire | where the calling card company does all the visa/mc authing |
| 20:02.54 | hardwire | because to work with visa/mc in their business.. its around 14% to use them |
| 20:03.01 | hardwire | whereas this new company will only charge 4.5% |
| 20:03.29 | hardwire | there are some moral issues swimming around in my head about this.. but oh well.. |
| 20:05.02 | *** join/#elinux Crofton (~balister@h80ad91dd.dhcp.vt.edu) |
| 20:05.28 | hardwire | anyways.. not to be off topic :) |
| 20:05.42 | hardwire | I need a channel of e-friends I think.. |
| 20:05.49 | hardwire | do you want to be.. my neighbor? |
| 20:06.31 | ljp | too cold up there |
| 20:08.41 | ljp | :) |
| 20:09.25 | kergoth | hardwire: heh, we started #devlounge to be a place for developers to just bs about nothing. about things that are off topic everywhere else. didnt really take off though. |
| 20:09.39 | CosmicPenguin | It turned into a clone of #commits |
| 20:09.57 | kergoth | well, it only shows the commits of people that are in the channel |
| 20:09.59 | hardwire | kergoth: I have #doomdoom |
| 20:10.01 | kergoth | it just happens that nobody talks there either |
| 20:10.01 | hardwire | but nobody showed |
| 20:10.01 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:10.04 | hardwire | heheh |
| 20:10.15 | kergoth | hardwire: CIA in #devlounge behaves like CIA in #tacobeam. |
| 20:10.16 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:10.22 | hardwire | ah |
| 20:10.26 | hardwire | sounds craaazy |
| 20:10.28 | kergoth | theres just more people, and nobody talking |
| 20:10.31 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:10.31 | hardwire | yeh |
| 20:10.38 | kergoth | ah well |
| 20:10.41 | hardwire | see.. my peeps at home aren't responsive over IRC anymore |
| 20:10.48 | hardwire | and I can't just call them.. thats just weird.. |
| 20:10.56 | kergoth | hah |
| 20:10.57 | hardwire | so Ithink being stranded in AK is driving me to insanity |
| 20:11.05 | Crofton | heh |
| 20:11.06 | kergoth | i never call my friends anymore, at all. its aim or nothing |
| 20:11.06 | hardwire | that I can't have pizza and come up with engenius world takover plans |
| 20:11.06 | ljp | that usually happens there |
| 20:11.08 | CosmicPenguin | Well... duh |
| 20:11.09 | kergoth | which is strange |
| 20:11.18 | hardwire | ljp: coming back soon? |
| 20:11.28 | ljp | me? doubtful |
| 20:11.31 | hardwire | awww |
| 20:11.50 | ljp | chicks run topless on the main beaches here |
| 20:12.00 | hardwire | ljp: the seals do here |
| 20:12.03 | hardwire | hubba hubba |
| 20:12.17 | CosmicPenguin | I question the intellgence of a woman who would run topless |
| 20:12.20 | ljp | stay away from the wildlife :) |
| 20:12.20 | CosmicPenguin | Alluring though it is |
| 20:13.25 | hardwire | wow |
| 20:13.28 | hardwire | I found WinESD |
| 20:13.32 | hardwire | a direct sound card emulator |
| 20:13.37 | hardwire | that should make things easier on me |
| 20:16.49 | hardwire | I am finally getting to a point where my company can make money |
| 20:16.50 | hardwire | heh |
| 20:17.19 | hardwire | but I can't do it all.. so we have so much just assuming labor that my company won't be retaining |
| 20:17.24 | hardwire | labor is a feisty bitch. |
| 20:17.51 | ljp | i prefer lounging |
| 20:18.00 | hardwire | wow |
| 20:18.04 | hardwire | winesd is not XP compatible |
| 20:18.07 | hardwire | BSOD |
| 20:18.14 | hardwire | rrrebooooot |
| 20:22.52 | CosmicPenguin | Heh |
| 20:24.26 | hardwire | my machine is hosed now |
| 20:24.27 | hardwire | ha |
| 20:25.08 | CosmicPenguin | I want to tear into my boss, but I'm smarter then that |
| 20:25.09 | CosmicPenguin | I think |
| 20:25.49 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:26.03 | hardwire | CosmicPenguin: dude |
| 20:26.10 | hardwire | my boss isn't really a boss |
| 20:26.16 | hardwire | which is why I am migrating into being the boss |
| 20:26.28 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:26.31 | hardwire | he is just the CEO of the parent corp and holds a strong interest in me |
| 20:26.36 | hardwire | making me the boss of my division |
| 20:26.39 | hardwire | and .. only employee of it. |
| 20:26.53 | hardwire | so I can't wait until I am the boss.. and I can tell him to STFU I am busy making your money. |
| 20:27.02 | hardwire | because every day he wants me to fix his computer |
| 20:27.13 | hardwire | or make sure his email is working because he is lonely and hasn't received any |
| 20:27.40 | hardwire | he constantly belittles linux because he doesn't understand it .. and microsoft is a big corp so they are doing something right |
| 20:28.11 | hardwire | it wasn't until one very bad dinner I decided to tell him.. we are on the verge of being a big corp and we don't do ANYTHING right.. that he decided to leave me alone about my OS choice |
| 20:28.20 | hardwire | for the things that are powering his entire infrastructure |
| 20:28.33 | hardwire | gift horse.. foot mouth.. dunno what to call it.. |
| 20:29.41 | hardwire | its just annoying.. his entire knowledge base for the computer industry comes from techtv and stupid consumer magazines. |
| 20:30.17 | hardwire | whats wild is talking to people in charge of huge IT operations that are windows based.. that always make fun of other OS's |
| 20:30.42 | hardwire | they know nothing about the compitition.. whereas I was basically weened from what they are running now.. its just sad.. |
| 20:30.47 | hardwire | </ramble> |
| 20:30.54 | hardwire | I have had coffee.. and some over sugared cake.. |
| 20:31.07 | file[laptop] | uh huh |
| 20:31.09 | file[laptop] | it shows |
| 20:31.23 | hardwire | got the hitchis working? |
| 20:31.26 | hardwire | hiiitachi! |
| 20:31.34 | file[laptop] | yes |
| 20:31.39 | CosmicPenguin | Ok then |
| 20:31.40 | hardwire | what about presence. |
| 20:31.43 | CosmicPenguin | I guess I should figure out where file's hardware is |
| 20:31.53 | hardwire | that would be Cosmic! |
| 20:31.54 | hardwire | ugh |
| 20:31.57 | file[laptop] | it's right here |
| 20:32.04 | hardwire | thats just not right. |
| 20:32.16 | file[laptop] | hardwire: as for you, we tried to get presence going... but it sorta kinda like, isn't going... nobody knows why |
| 20:32.25 | hardwire | heh |
| 20:32.32 | CosmicPenguin | You all need to do less crack before IRCing |
| 20:32.35 | hardwire | file[laptop]: I didn't expect it to be busy |
| 20:32.47 | hardwire | CosmicPenguin: you are so right :( |
| 20:32.54 | file[laptop] | CosmicPenguin: quiet you, locate hardware |
| 20:33.37 | hardwire | this should be interesting |
| 20:33.48 | hardwire | going to send out an investigative probe for a contract |
| 20:33.57 | hardwire | to analyse a few things before a proposal is written |
| 20:34.05 | hardwire | I wanted to charge the guy.. he said maybe a hardware tradeoff |
| 20:34.07 | hardwire | heh |
| 20:34.25 | hardwire | so I guess I am paying the drone.. and receiving an Xserve g5 w/ full drive population. |
| 20:34.44 | file[laptop] | I want an Xserve |
| 20:34.56 | hardwire | it won't be running the preinstalled OS though |
| 20:35.03 | file[laptop] | I like OSX |
| 20:35.07 | hardwire | he bought them while I was working at YDL |
| 20:35.22 | hardwire | so thats whats on them.. and I hate YDL |
| 20:35.39 | hardwire | gentoo/debian is most likely whats going on them |
| 20:35.47 | hardwire | I just wish the onboard raid controller was supported well in 2.6.x |
| 20:36.15 | hardwire | http://www.flatfood.org/documentation/xserve/index.en.html |
| 20:36.16 | hardwire | neat |
| 20:44.34 | CosmicPenguin | Well, looky there |
| 20:44.39 | CosmicPenguin | ESPN crashed Firefox |
| 20:44.51 | hardwire | heh |
| 20:44.53 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:45.33 | hardwire | ok |
| 20:45.38 | hardwire | I am going to go work from home now |
| 20:45.46 | hardwire | because.. I can't concentrate worth a damn in the office today. |
| 20:55.11 | kergoth | heh, i have a lot of those days |
| 20:57.05 | cdm | 1 |
| 21:48.08 | T` | leaving the job kergoth ? |
| 21:48.36 | kergoth | yep |
| 21:48.47 | hardwire | quitting! |
| 21:48.49 | hardwire | ?!?! |
| 21:48.50 | hardwire | omg! |
| 21:49.52 | T` | kergoth, heh well, hope you read that /. article a few weeks ago on switching jobs |
| 21:50.57 | hardwire | newp |
| 21:51.00 | hardwire | oh |
| 21:51.01 | hardwire | not me |
| 21:51.03 | hardwire | damnit |
| 21:51.05 | hardwire | I felt important. |
| 21:51.57 | T` | hardwire, it was about some guy who quit his job cuz their company wanted to shift to a C# platform.. but there were many good comments on what people had done if they were unhappy with current jobs |
| 21:52.16 | hardwire | hehe |
| 21:52.44 | kergoth | heh, this is just the wrong position for me. i couldve transferred elsewhere in ti of course |
| 21:52.48 | kergoth | there are possitions |
| 21:52.53 | kergoth | but i want to figure otu what's best for me first |
| 21:53.03 | hardwire | kergoth: I will put you on island for a few months |
| 21:53.06 | T` | what are you looking for? |
| 21:53.08 | hardwire | then see how you feel about regular jobs |
| 21:53.14 | kergoth | T`: no idea :) |
| 21:53.18 | T` | or may be i shoudl ask what u are not looking for :) |
| 21:53.50 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:54.13 | kergoth | i need complex systems to design, architect, or understand. new things to work on. |
| 21:54.21 | kergoth | its the ideas, the design, that interests me |
| 21:54.26 | kergoth | the implementation, much less so |
| 21:54.39 | kergoth | so churning out drivers, much the same as all the others, day after day, wasnt a good fit |
| 21:54.48 | T` | systems, you mean a more hardware fit? |
| 21:55.10 | kergoth | i mean system in the general sense. a complex system, an interplay of components |
| 21:55.14 | kergoth | not necessarily hardware |
| 21:55.20 | T` | ok gotcha |
| 21:55.23 | kergoth | a linux distribution is a complex system |
| 21:55.24 | kergoth | for example |
| 21:55.40 | T` | you should try a few start-ups for such responsibilities |
| 21:55.57 | T` | not downloading the big guys, but generally i like the small ones where people are hardworking and open to ideas |
| 21:56.03 | kergoth | yeah, i've thought about that. smaller organization. or perhaps a position in a linux r&d lab |
| 21:56.09 | T` | s/downloading/down playing |
| 21:56.14 | T` | hehe.. weird typo ;/ |
| 21:56.37 | T` | kergoth, i do design in a research lab at CMU.. love it absolutely |
| 21:56.52 | T` | a university with good funding might be an option for you.. but pay doesnt tend to be high |
| 21:57.36 | T` | i am a more hardware person though, all my code looks like a bunch of hacks ;) |
| 21:58.06 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:58.18 | T` | only recently i started to look into organisation in coding, etc.. i guess i am looking to get into a job like u had |
| 21:58.45 | T` | were u the one with a friend in VMware ? |
| 21:58.52 | T` | someone had one here.. lol |
| 21:59.09 | file[laptop] | kergoth and I are both a friend of one |
| 21:59.38 | T` | glad to hear that |
| 21:59.51 | file[laptop] | and he's snuggly wuggly like a teddy bear! |
| 22:00.04 | T` | hmm.. not too glad to hear that |
| 22:00.07 | kergoth | hah |
| 22:00.14 | file[laptop] | *G* |
| 22:00.38 | file[laptop] | anyway, shower time! |
| 22:17.08 | Crofton | T`, which lab at CMU? |
| 22:17.27 | T` | Crofton, robotics institute |
| 22:17.47 | T` | Crofton, i work at AHL (helicopter lab) |
| 22:18.38 | Crofton | Hmmm, I knew a couple of people who went to CMU a few years back |
| 22:19.20 | T` | oh, this is only my junior year now.. but i work full-time + study ... graduating in 2 months |
| 22:20.17 | T` | are you a student at VT? |
| 22:20.18 | Crofton | I'm in grad school at Va Tech |
| 22:20.29 | Crofton | yeah, I'm in the SW radio group |
| 22:21.20 | T` | oh.. one of my friends is working on it with a prof named Negi |
| 22:22.09 | Crofton | hmm, I'll check and see if people have heard of him |
| 22:23.57 | T` | can you tell me what is the hard part or difficultites in tuning to a certain baseband ? |
| 22:24.12 | *** part/#elinux cbrake (~cbrake@mail.accelent.com) |
| 22:25.38 | T` | from what i understand u have a setup where you have a ADC -> mixer -> DSP, and the signal input is then tuned to a particular freq on SW ? |
| 22:26.00 | Crofton | Talk to me later about this |
| 22:26.12 | T` | but i guess there are many things u can do on the higher level like the modulation, etc. |
| 22:26.18 | T` | k sure |
| 22:26.19 | Crofton | oh yeag |
| 22:27.09 | T` | hmm.. actually it should be RF -> mixer -> ADC -> DSP i guess.. hehe |
| 22:40.52 | Crofton | heh Ant -> ADC -> DSP :) |
| 22:40.56 | Crofton | the perfect SW radio |
| 22:41.04 | Crofton | of course it isn't that easy. |
| 22:52.37 | T` | well, high freq ADC's are damn expensive :) just use a mixer box to filter out the baseband i guess :) |
| 22:53.22 | Crofton | ~usrp |
| 22:53.23 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, usrp is a Universal Software Radio Peripheral or http://comsec.com/wiki?UniversalSoftwareRadioPeripheral |
| 22:53.39 | Crofton | We are getting one fo these |
| 22:53.46 | T` | woohoo cool |
| 22:53.53 | Crofton | yes very cool |
| 22:54.12 | Crofton | A very cheap way to get real radio signals into a PC |
| 22:54.26 | Crofton | I am hopeful I can connect it to the OMAP OSK board |
| 22:54.40 | T` | oh ur a OMAP fan.. heh |
| 22:55.03 | Crofton | Yeah, it makes an interesting target for our groups project |
| 22:55.41 | T` | 4 High-Speed AD Converters (64 MS/s, 12-bit Analog Devices AD9862) which can bandpass-sample signals of up to about 200 MHz, digitizing a band as wide as about 32 MHz. |
| 22:55.59 | T` | that means you have to first demix the input RF to remove the bandpass.. right? |
| 22:56.28 | T` | 200 Mhz doesnt seem to be enough even to tune UHF or VHF.. but i may be missing something |
| 22:56.46 | T` | oh i get it.. they have the mixers on a daughterboard |
| 22:57.20 | T` | very cool... but would be cooler if they had a wide range of mixing capability and if u can control it all on software :) time to hack into police freq ;) |
| 22:57.26 | Crofton | You downconvert the signal |
| 22:57.47 | Crofton | you could use a LO controled by the computer |
| 22:58.17 | Crofton | You could downconvert a large band used by the poice and pick out channels with SW |
| 22:58.28 | hardwire | ooh |
| 22:58.30 | hardwire | what are you guys talking about :) |
| 22:58.38 | Crofton | The USRP does some channelizing |
| 22:58.43 | T` | LO ? |
| 22:58.51 | Crofton | Then you use the DSP on the OMAP for more signal procesing |
| 22:58.56 | Crofton | Local Oscillator |
| 22:59.07 | Crofton | Aplications for embedded Linux :) |
| 22:59.12 | Crofton | software radio |
| 22:59.19 | hardwire | Crofton: I was going to attempt making a network based RDF |
| 22:59.33 | hardwire | for public accessable police bands |
| 22:59.38 | hardwire | to demod the callsign |
| 22:59.38 | Crofton | that would be an amusing project |
| 22:59.43 | hardwire | recieved at 3 or more locations |
| 22:59.46 | T` | Crofton, oh yes ... a mixer unit has the required oscillators and mixes your input signal to remove the bassband frequency..so ur output signal is just the pure bandwidth of the signal at a lower freq offset |
| 22:59.54 | hardwire | and just throwing it all at an internet APRS server |
| 23:00.10 | T` | Crofton, board is kinda expensive.. i would have bought it or else ;) |
| 23:00.14 | hardwire | the NTP drift amount didn't hold a lot of sway |
| 23:00.23 | T` | Crofton, can do a lot of cool things with this.. hehe |
| 23:00.42 | Crofton | heh, that board provides 90% of the capabilty of much higher proced boards |
| 23:00.49 | hardwire | you could still target a police car w/in about a mile |
| 23:00.58 | Crofton | I want to make a 27MHz cordless phone monitor |
| 23:01.04 | hardwire | that would be fun |
| 23:01.08 | hardwire | for covert ops.. yo? |
| 23:01.11 | T` | heh, shouldn't be too hard with this board |
| 23:01.13 | Crofton | of course 27Mhz phones are not as common as they once were |
| 23:01.34 | hardwire | what board are you guys looking at? |
| 23:01.34 | T` | btw, how is the usb interface? do they have some drivers already? |
| 23:01.46 | T` | hardwire, http://comsec.com/wiki?UniversalSoftwareRadioPeripheral |
| 23:01.47 | Crofton | We used to listen to them a few years back, my friens lived across from an apartment complex |
| 23:01.57 | Crofton | not sure, haven't got ours yet |
| 23:02.01 | hardwire | I am hoping to monitor and transmit on some marine VHF freqs w/o operating w/ an external radio |
| 23:02.14 | T` | Crofton, didnt ur mama tell u its a badhabit to listen to the neighbour chick's phone calls! |
| 23:02.24 | T` | lol.. j/k |
| 23:02.29 | Crofton | Heh, they are funny as shit |
| 23:02.39 | T` | yea i can imagine.. lol |
| 23:03.06 | T` | i used to overhear some calls at my internship a few summers ago... the wife is always pestering this dude who worked at our place |
| 23:03.19 | T` | i guess she expects a gold mountain every day |
| 23:03.21 | Crofton | "I would have done anal sex with him if I loved him" |
| 23:03.27 | T` | hahaha |
| 23:03.40 | hardwire | wow |
| 23:03.42 | hardwire | that thing is amazing |
| 23:03.52 | hardwire | I wish it was PCI |
| 23:03.58 | T` | hardwire, why is that? |
| 23:04.24 | hardwire | because USB isn't exactly a mission critical bus |
| 23:04.49 | hardwire | gigE makes a lot more sense in some situations |
| 23:04.51 | T` | hehe.. usb 2.0 with only one high speed device on it is quite good |
| 23:04.52 | Crofton | Well, if it's mission critical you can the big bucks :) |
| 23:05.03 | hardwire | I don't like big bucks :) |
| 23:05.05 | hardwire | I know |
| 23:05.18 | T` | but its not hard to make this a pci board... |
| 23:05.23 | Crofton | neither do we :) |
| 23:05.26 | T` | haha |
| 23:05.28 | T` | who does! |
| 23:05.38 | hardwire | I would really really love this thing to work on GPRS |
| 23:05.53 | Crofton | Of course some of my friends are working on some projects were they are trying to get some big buck stuff |
| 23:05.53 | T` | hardwire, GPRS is a highlevel protocol i think |
| 23:05.56 | hardwire | I don't want to pay Vanu Inc 100,000 for the ir GPRS softmodems |
| 23:06.13 | hardwire | T`: this is how vanu started however.. |
| 23:06.13 | T` | but u can prolly tune to taht freq. and send some ping signals.. heh |
| 23:06.15 | hardwire | with a board like this |
| 23:06.27 | T` | hmm. never heard of vanu.. US based? |
| 23:06.29 | Crofton | with USB you could connect it to a PDA with USB 2 |
| 23:06.41 | hardwire | yeh |
| 23:06.42 | hardwire | vanu inc |
| 23:06.55 | hardwire | they originally made a radio board for PDA's that worked on GPRS freqs |
| 23:07.00 | hardwire | and passed mobile to mobile GSM |
| 23:07.08 | hardwire | then they made it bigger.. and made a POP for GSM phones |
| 23:07.27 | hardwire | now they pass everything out of a GPR radio/tranciever over GigE |
| 23:07.32 | T` | Crofton, i assume u can't tune to more than one freq. right? |
| 23:07.40 | hardwire | and have a low power p133 for the most part just route thr RTP |
| 23:08.06 | T` | hardwire, ah i c. so you can buy like a PCMCIA adapter for PDA ? |
| 23:08.13 | Crofton | Actually you can |
| 23:08.31 | hardwire | yup |
| 23:08.31 | Crofton | as long as the frequencies are "close" |
| 23:08.35 | T` | hardwire, i have built-in wlan in my pda.. but it sux.. horrible antenna |
| 23:08.39 | hardwire | heh |
| 23:08.44 | hardwire | well I am really awnting a board just like this |
| 23:08.53 | hardwire | with an RX/TX module |
| 23:09.11 | T` | Crofton, i c.. cool |
| 23:09.25 | T` | Crofton, have a look at blackfin dsps... they are cool.. i use them |
| 23:09.44 | Crofton | Neat |
| 23:09.59 | Crofton | Can you run linux oon them? |
| 23:09.59 | T` | yup |
| 23:10.08 | T` | www.blackfin.org |
| 23:10.11 | Crofton | they have a MMU? |
| 23:10.18 | T` | no |
| 23:10.24 | T` | lol.. u want a MMU ! ? |
| 23:10.36 | Crofton | this would be uclinux then? |
| 23:10.48 | T` | http://blackfin.uclinux.org/ |
| 23:10.50 | T` | yes it is |
| 23:11.03 | T` | i never tried the linux on it though.. not really needed for anything i do |
| 23:11.15 | T` | i should do it sometime just for the kicks |
| 23:11.16 | Crofton | How much are eval boards? |
| 23:11.40 | Crofton | Yeah, if I get a cheap/free board, it would be nice to port our SW radio stuff to it |
| 23:12.03 | hardwire | wait |
| 23:12.05 | hardwire | that board runs linux? |
| 23:12.27 | T` | hardwire, no.. i am talking about a different dsp chipset which has linux support |
| 23:12.32 | hardwire | ok |
| 23:12.55 | T` | hardwire, blackfin series are dsps' from analog devices |
| 23:13.00 | hardwire | ok |
| 23:13.13 | T` | Crofton, is ur sw radio functional? |
| 23:13.38 | Crofton | We are working on an open source SCA |
| 23:13.50 | T` | SCA? |
| 23:13.55 | Crofton | which is "an operating system for SW radios" :) |
| 23:14.18 | Crofton | We have made a radio with it, but it is not suitable for release |
| 23:14.19 | T` | hehe i c |
| 23:14.32 | Crofton | We hope to have some demos based on the USRP by summer |
| 23:14.41 | Crofton | that should be suitable for release |
| 23:14.43 | T` | are there any free radios out there already? |
| 23:14.51 | Crofton | look at gnuradio |
| 23:15.08 | Crofton | They are the guys behind the USRP |
| 23:15.33 | T` | oh wow.. great. the hdtv capturing works good :) |
| 23:15.46 | T` | s/works/looks |
| 23:16.34 | T` | Crofton, if i wanted to play with gnuradio and not need to loot a bank for that board.. is there an alternative? |
| 23:17.26 | Crofton | They may have some circuits to couple low bandwidth stuff into yout soundcard |
| 23:17.44 | Crofton | search for "open source drm decoder" for an example |
| 23:17.46 | T` | ah the line-in ? |
| 23:17.53 | Crofton | yeah |
| 23:18.12 | hardwire | my girlfriend complains that the dishwasher doesn't work |
| 23:18.16 | Crofton | people use mixers to down convert to low frequency and then play with the signal |
| 23:18.18 | hardwire | but she never pre-rinses anything |
| 23:18.31 | hardwire | ugh |
| 23:18.37 | hardwire | i guess I can't be right about this one |
| 23:18.42 | hardwire | and now we haev an expensive drying rack. |
| 23:18.50 | T` | Crofton, yea, i was thinking of that.. hehe.. i can make a mixer pretty cheap and easy |
| 23:19.03 | Crofton | yeah |
| 23:19.06 | T` | http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuradio/screenshots.html |
| 23:19.11 | Crofton | Well I need to run home |
| 23:19.16 | T` | k later |
| 23:19.17 | Crofton | I'll catch you guys later |
| 23:23.06 | MonMotha | oh yea sdr |
| 23:23.29 | MonMotha | I've been meaning to build a little capture card that can at least do higher bandwidth than a sound card |
| 23:23.53 | T` | MonMotha, higher by how much |
| 23:24.54 | MonMotha | T`: I'd like a few hundred kHz worth of bandwidth, say enough to digitize an entire amateur HF band at once |
| 23:25.44 | T` | a tv tuner is probably enough then? |
| 23:26.12 | T` | you might have to get a tuner module kit which suits your purpose however |
| 23:26.43 | T` | i built an external tv tuner with my nvidia video in... may be u can use a mixer and the nvidia video in somehow |
| 23:26.50 | MonMotha | certainly would be, though I thought most TV tuner cards pretty much assumed you'd be receiving TV and handled all the sync and stuff for you, as well as assuming VSB AM for the video and FM for the subchannel audio |
| 23:27.21 | T` | i believe that is configurable in your video digitizer |
| 23:27.37 | T` | but then you hardly even get their datasheets :/ |
| 23:27.43 | MonMotha | indeed |
| 23:27.53 | MonMotha | that's the problem these days: nobody will give you specs |
| 23:28.08 | T` | hehe yea.. dumbasses |
| 23:28.09 | MonMotha | I remember buying hardware that came with entire books on programming specs, full schematics, etc |
| 23:28.18 | CosmicPenguin | Who's talking to me? |
| 23:28.21 | CosmicPenguin | bring it on |
| 23:28.25 | T` | haha CosmicPenguin |
| 23:28.38 | T` | u work for conexant cosmic? |
| 23:28.51 | CosmicPenguin | No |
| 23:28.56 | T` | MonMotha, hehe ... natsemi my friend |
| 23:29.00 | MonMotha | whois him :) |
| 23:29.03 | T` | MonMotha, and maxim i guess |
| 23:29.15 | MonMotha | maxim is pretty good, as is national semi |
| 23:29.28 | MonMotha | though the bitches at Broadcom... |
| 23:29.45 | T` | broadcom and conexant are really secretive |
| 23:29.57 | T` | i had this problem with Prism.. now they got bought over |
| 23:30.26 | T` | was trying to get their wifi mixer chip specs and they asked me for 20k upfront deposit.. LOL |
| 23:30.26 | MonMotha | the wifi guys haev all adopted the "FCC won't let us because you could make it do illegal stuff" excuse |
| 23:30.44 | MonMotha | though I will say the reps always have to dodge my whole "I'm licensed on that band, come again?" thing :) |
| 23:30.52 | T` | haha |
| 23:31.03 | T` | u have to be "licensed" to use wifi? |
| 23:31.19 | MonMotha | no, but it just so happens that amateurs are primary on the bottom half of the wifi band :) |
| 23:31.32 | T` | oh.. i have no clue about ham and radio operation.. should probably join that club here sometime |
| 23:32.02 | MonMotha | actually, I guess we're secondary to radiolocation on that band, which doesn't normally mean much |
| 23:32.15 | MonMotha | this is all in the USA of course |
| 23:32.29 | T` | no clue what that means ;) too much ham jargan. haha |
| 23:32.58 | MonMotha | not ham jargon so much as FCC policy jargon |
| 23:33.47 | MonMotha | primary operators are afforded protection from interference by other operations, and may cause interference (in most cases) to other operations, secondary operators must avoid interference to primary operators and are given no protection (or very limited protection) from primary operations |
| 23:34.08 | MonMotha | of course, wifi is unlicensed, which means that if my transmitter kills your wifi and I'm otherwise operating legally, there ain't a damn thing you acn do about it |
| 23:34.23 | MonMotha | look! I'm running CW at 5 million WPM on 2.45GHz! |
| 23:34.55 | T` | ah i get ur point... |
| 23:36.09 | MonMotha | though I'll admit that's kind of a loophole since there's little reason to run CW that fast (you could only do it by computer, and then there are more efficient modulation schemes like PSK) |
| 23:37.06 | T` | oh.. CW is some kinda modulation? |
| 23:37.26 | MonMotha | morse code |
| 23:37.47 | MonMotha | IE turning a carrier on and off - "constant wave" |
| 23:38.05 | T` | aah |
| 23:38.34 | T` | yea i did some reading on a few modulations.. i was playing with asterisk a few years ago... i think telephone is FSK |
| 23:38.51 | file[laptop] | ASTERISK! |
| 23:38.51 | T` | well, my memory is rusty on that now.. hehe |
| 23:38.57 | MonMotha | well, voice telephone would be effectively AM |
| 23:38.59 | T` | heh.. u use it file? |
| 23:39.07 | T` | MonMotha, hmm.. sure? |
| 23:39.12 | file[laptop] | you have no idea :) |
| 23:39.16 | file[laptop] | I worked at the Digium booth at VON |
| 23:39.32 | T` | VON i assume is some Voip conference? |
| 23:39.43 | file[laptop] | yes |
| 23:39.44 | T` | aah.. so u worked for digum? |
| 23:39.45 | MonMotha | that would be the nature of that kind of a signal. without the carrier and double sideband of course. You've effectively got a baseband audio signal on a couple of wires |
| 23:39.58 | file[laptop] | they brought us all together |
| 23:40.10 | file[laptop] | http://host-a.starnetworks.us/Members/kpfleming/spring_von/photoalbum_photo_view?b_start=8 |
| 23:40.13 | file[laptop] | there I am unpacking an LCD |
| 23:40.20 | T` | file, aah gotcha.. mark gave me a free fxs/fxo card.. p100 or osmething like that |
| 23:40.38 | T` | ooh.. lol |
| 23:40.44 | T` | cool :) lots of space for * |
| 23:40.48 | file[laptop] | yeah |
| 23:41.21 | T` | yea i was doing it as a school funded project.. so he was being nice with a free card .. cool guy |
| 23:41.35 | file[laptop] | yeah Mark is nice |
| 23:41.44 | T` | what did u work on in * ? |
| 23:41.55 | file[laptop] | I do SIP stuff mostly |
| 23:42.32 | file[laptop] | I want to rewrite the entire thing really |
| 23:42.45 | T` | lol.. tell me about it ;P thats how i feel everytime i do something |
| 23:44.34 | file[laptop] | time to bite my lip and sync my iPod to my Mac |
| 23:44.49 | T` | file, its been a while since i was on #asterisk.. like 2years+ .. things must have changed a lot.. is that guy who owns nufone from IL still there? |
| 23:44.54 | T` | i forgot his name.. lol |
| 23:45.06 | file[laptop] | yes |
| 23:45.09 | file[laptop] | Jeremy Macnamara |
| 23:45.15 | T` | aah yea.. thats right |
| 23:45.26 | T` | he told me some crazy stories of how he crashed his plane.. lol |
| 23:45.36 | file[laptop] | hehe |
| 23:45.46 | file[laptop] | where's CosmicPenguin? got something to tell him |
| 23:45.52 | T` | in iceland |
| 23:46.05 | CosmicPenguin | file: you talkin' to me? |
| 23:46.20 | file[laptop] | CosmicPenguin: Snom took my idea of putting a PBX in a tiny box |
| 23:46.32 | file[laptop] | and actually did it |
| 23:46.33 | CosmicPenguin | Snom? |
| 23:46.56 | file[laptop] | it eerily reminds me of a geode board |
| 23:47.18 | file[laptop] | trying to find pic |
| 23:47.29 | file[laptop] | http://www.snom.com/snom_voip_box.html?&L=1 |
| 23:47.48 | T` | oh wow.. nice! |
| 23:47.56 | CosmicPenguin | Whats in that? |
| 23:47.57 | file[laptop] | it doesn't run asterisk mind you |
| 23:48.04 | file[laptop] | dunno, couldn't get anything out of the guy |
| 23:48.06 | T` | oh.. so what does it run? |
| 23:48.11 | file[laptop] | their own PBX |
| 23:48.19 | T` | is it any good? |
| 23:48.36 | file[laptop] | well it's licensed, so I've never used it... 'nor can I without paying for a license |
| 23:48.57 | file[laptop] | but from what I've seen with it, it's written to work on different platforms+OSes |
| 23:49.02 | CosmicPenguin | What is that, a CF slot, a PS2 slot and two nics? |
| 23:49.20 | T` | at one point i was looking into making a small board like that.. and run * on it.. but dropped hte idea... i had almost no knowledge on how to do the telephone circuitry stuff |
| 23:49.37 | CosmicPenguin | That might be x86, I don't know |
| 23:49.41 | file[laptop] | there's not much info |
| 23:49.42 | CosmicPenguin | can * run on a MMUless OS? |
| 23:49.43 | T` | file, if u find someone who might be interested and can fill in for me on some of the analog stuff involved i might work on it :) |
| 23:50.06 | file[laptop] | CosmicPenguin: good question, never tried |
| 23:50.13 | CosmicPenguin | I don't like the name SNOM, it sounds make up |
| 23:50.15 | file[laptop] | I know it has to be patched+mucked with to work on ARM... |
| 23:50.17 | CosmicPenguin | s/make/made/ |
| 23:50.19 | file[laptop] | they're swedish |
| 23:50.20 | T` | why do u need mmu for * .. how is it gonna know? |
| 23:50.29 | CosmicPenguin | Whats your name... err.. um... snom. Thats it |
| 23:50.45 | T` | uclinux i heard has mmu emulation |
| 23:51.08 | MonMotha | T`: analog telephone is downright ugly |
| 23:51.20 | CosmicPenguin | file: Could you even get a price out of the guy? |
| 23:51.22 | file[laptop] | the Snom guy got beat up really bad |
| 23:51.29 | file[laptop] | at the IAX2 presentation |
| 23:51.40 | file[laptop] | at the end of it in big black letters, "There should be only one protocol - SIP." |
| 23:51.43 | file[laptop] | it was fun |
| 23:51.46 | file[laptop] | ANYWAY - let me find the page I got |
| 23:52.10 | file[laptop] | nope no pricing |
| 23:52.23 | file[laptop] | no info at all towards codecs either, processor, etc |
| 23:52.40 | CosmicPenguin | I'm sure they can toss an additional 200% on top of cost just because its "cutting edge VoIP" |
| 23:52.57 | T` | MonMotha, well, the termination still is largely analog.. so you will need some circuitry to interface with these T1 "splitters" or whatever they are called.. lol |
| 23:53.15 | T` | telco routers may be? |
| 23:53.28 | T` | damn.. i forgot a lot of stuff :-p |
| 23:54.41 | MonMotha | well, I was just talking about normal loops given to customers by the telco |
| 23:54.59 | MonMotha | the signaling is basically brute force hacks on top of hacks |
| 23:55.32 | CosmicPenguin | file: sure wouldn't be hard to make a box though - I'll bet T0mW has the skillz to do the board |
| 23:55.45 | T` | MonMotha, heh i c |
| 23:58.06 | file[laptop] | I saw VoIP boards too |
| 23:59.22 | CosmicPenguin | Well, find somebody who will sell a 100,000 of them and get them to contact AMD |
| 23:59.37 | CosmicPenguin | We'll do the rest... :) |
| 23:59.46 | CosmicPenguin | Geode and VoIP - A match made in heaven |
| 23:59.57 | file[laptop] | get me a preliminary board and we'll see :p |
