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| 05:45.35 | TimRiker | ~seen andersee |
| 05:45.41 | ibot | andersee is currently on #uclibc #oe #elinux |
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| 14:32.25 | chouimat | morning |
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| 14:48.04 | prpplague | ho ho ho |
| 14:48.09 | prpplague | merry freakin monday |
| 15:12.44 | CosmicPenguin | You still here? :) |
| 15:14.02 | prpplague | yea, well, telling my boss today |
| 15:19.03 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: miss the family? |
| 15:28.02 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea |
| 15:28.09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: plus telling work |
| 15:28.20 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'm not good at this quiting stuff |
| 15:32.11 | sorphin | prpplague: too bad it's not like abcsinc was, you could use that nice line from office space... o/~ take this job and shove it, i ain't workin here no more o/~ |
| 15:32.26 | prpplague | sorphin: yea |
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| 15:32.35 | prpplague | sorphin: big difference between aml and abcsinc |
| 15:32.38 | sorphin | eek, it's file |
| 15:33.03 | sorphin | prpplague: yeah, i know |
| 15:33.30 | file | hey hey |
| 15:34.57 | sorphin | file: you mean suite ;) |
| 15:35.38 | sorphin | file: find it amusing that VON is going on now, and yesterday someone posted a 'build your own pbx' article on /., heh |
| 15:35.57 | file | yeah |
| 15:36.06 | file | when we hacked the wifi we noticed and called Mark up |
| 15:36.29 | sorphin | ah |
| 15:37.02 | file | bkw is sitting beside me on his iBook, twisted is on the other bed still unconcious |
| 15:37.37 | sorphin | heh |
| 15:37.45 | sorphin | you and brian ain't sharin a bed are ya? :P |
| 15:37.55 | sorphin | hehe |
| 15:37.57 | sorphin | j/k |
| 15:38.07 | file | I wonder where drumkilla is |
| 15:38.32 | sorphin | dammit, my package JUST showed up at the hub this morning.. (it doesn't take from 10:33pm last night till 8:01am today to get from Salina KS to the hub here dammit) |
| 15:38.51 | sorphin | they just love delaying till the 'scheduled date' |
| 15:38.56 | sorphin | i've never had UPS be early |
| 15:39.01 | sorphin | now fedex, i have |
| 15:41.08 | prpplague | man there are alot of adds for timesys in linuxjournal |
| 15:41.53 | sorphin | could be because they can't retain anyone? (least from how sjhill spoke of the place) |
| 15:45.25 | prpplague | sorphin: yea i bet |
| 15:51.47 | sorphin | prpplague: so when you fly out ex-hillbilly? |
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| 16:01.46 | prpplague | well the deed is done |
| 16:01.48 | prpplague | :( |
| 16:02.25 | pb_ | prpplague: very good |
| 16:04.24 | pb_ | prpplague: heh |
| 16:04.27 | pb_ | how did your boss take the news? |
| 16:04.49 | sorphin | prpplague: dont' do it! (smoke) |
| 16:05.18 | sorphin | pb_: wotcher |
| 16:05.23 | pb_ | hey sorphin |
| 16:05.36 | sorphin | pb_: how's things over the pond? |
| 16:06.02 | pb_ | not too bad. getting ready to head out to CeBIT later in the week. |
| 16:06.32 | sorphin | cool |
| 16:06.40 | sorphin | pb_: any word on anything good there this year? |
| 16:11.19 | pb_ | nothing that I've heard of, yet |
| 16:11.29 | sorphin | nod |
| 16:11.57 | prpplague | pb_: was pretty disappointed |
| 16:12.03 | sorphin | prpplague: i hope you didn't realy smoke :P |
| 16:12.16 | prpplague | pb_: he want's to work something out for telecommute |
| 16:12.22 | prpplague | sorphin: yea i did |
| 16:12.34 | sorphin | ewww |
| 16:17.12 | prpplague | sorphin: hehe, yea, smokers generally stink |
| 16:18.20 | prpplague | file: hey, which voip service allows you to get a phone number in any area code you want? |
| 16:18.40 | kergoth | morning |
| 16:18.48 | file | prpplague: none, they all have their limits |
| 16:19.04 | prpplague | file: hmm |
| 16:19.04 | file | but if you just want a regular ol' voip residential one go for vonage or packet8... |
| 16:19.10 | file | they have the biggest coverage areas |
| 16:19.38 | prpplague | file: yea, i'd like to get a local number in the states so i can use it from barbados |
| 16:20.33 | prpplague | file: any recommendations? |
| 16:23.11 | prpplague | file: vonage give you a choice which area codes your number will be in? |
| 16:23.50 | file | yes |
| 16:24.24 | prpplague | file: what kind of $$ ? |
| 16:25.56 | prpplague | sorphin: yea yea |
| 16:26.00 | sorphin | file doesn't use either of them |
| 16:26.06 | sorphin | he works for a voip company ;) |
| 16:26.07 | prpplague | ahh |
| 16:26.23 | prpplague | hmm, why didn't he suggest his own company? |
| 16:26.34 | sorphin | prolly coverage |
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| 17:49.26 | sorphin | cdm: moin chris |
| 17:56.40 | andersee | cheaper, better international support, and broadvoice has a Bring Your Own Device (BYOD) plan, so you can use i.e. your own SPA-2000 or asterisk box |
| 17:57.37 | sorphin | 1-900-BusyBox |
| 17:57.40 | sorphin | ;p |
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| 18:14.28 | cdm | hey sorphin |
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| 18:36.28 | sorphin | cdm: hows things? |
| 18:50.36 | cdm | things are good man. |
| 18:50.41 | cdm | going to ESC Tues/Wed |
| 18:51.22 | sorphin | ah |
| 18:51.59 | sorphin | yay, new worm deployed on the corporate network (spreads via msn messenger), google can't find any details on it yet.. thank god i don't use that messenger (not even the internal version) |
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| 18:52.50 | kergoth | heh, i talk to coworkers on irc. |
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| 20:13.13 | sorphin | kergoth: well, some of these people are sales, etc in the company, so... to talk to coworkers, i just walk right out my doorway :P |
| 20:13.28 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:13.46 | kergoth | i talk to the people in the aisle of cubicles over from me on irc more than i do in person |
| 20:13.50 | kergoth | kinda odd |
| 20:14.25 | sorphin | kergoth: well, that's because that's how you are.. some of the shit we have to talk about is easier in person, (and faster), cuz it's usually work talk and security stuff |
| 20:15.37 | sorphin | there's only 3 of us (plus our lead) in the netsec group, till they bring on a 4th again |
| 20:17.06 | prpplague | kergoth: i did the same when i was at abcs |
| 20:19.24 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: argh, there is something to be said for being "simple" , but sometimes being simple can also mean being outright dumb |
| 20:19.39 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: this fat fs is simply be is sooooooo stupid sometimes |
| 20:20.24 | sorphin | hehe |
| 20:20.56 | sorphin | prpplague: well, remember for what purpose and when it was originally created |
| 20:21.48 | prpplague | sorphin: to torture POW's in vietnam? |
| 20:22.03 | sorphin | heh |
| 20:22.04 | sorphin | no |
| 20:22.30 | sorphin | remember, 1970s, DOS, no more than 640k/mem, etc |
| 20:23.30 | prpplague | sorphin: yes i know the history |
| 20:23.35 | prpplague | sorphin: :) |
| 20:24.26 | prpplague | sorphin: hehe i know |
| 20:24.39 | prpplague | sorphin: had too much coffee and heart pounding excitement for today |
| 20:25.11 | sorphin | just don't smoke anymore :-P i'm sure donna would prefer it ;) |
| 20:25.17 | prpplague | sorphin: hehe |
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| 20:25.47 | prpplague | sorphin: its really weird that when i have something very stressful to do, i end up becoming like a zombie |
| 20:26.06 | prpplague | sorphin: i remember doing it, but it seems like an out of body experience, hehe |
| 20:26.06 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: yes, fat is stupid, but I don't need to use it, just interact with it |
| 20:26.17 | sorphin | prpplague: indeed |
| 20:26.26 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: A good chunk of computer science is dealing with other people stupid ideas |
| 20:26.35 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: so.. how's the house the penguin built holdin up? |
| 20:27.02 | prpplague | <CosmicPenguin> prpplague: yes, fat <insert abcsinc boss here> is stupid, but I don't need to use it, just interact with it |
| 20:27.18 | sorphin | prpplague: haha |
| 20:28.12 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: so much to do, no talent to do it with |
| 20:28.20 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: ah |
| 20:28.33 | sorphin | least yours is new |
| 20:29.14 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i know what you mean allll tooooo wellll |
| 20:29.35 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: spi/mmc is so simple in concept, but seems to be complicated in implmentation |
| 20:29.53 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: indeed |
| 20:30.15 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: some times its like the developers came to a fork in the process, and deliberately picked the hardest one |
| 20:30.26 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, guess thats a decription of a woman as well, hehe |
| 20:30.58 | prpplague | simple in concept, complicated in implmentation |
| 20:31.55 | sorphin | prpplague: and comprehension |
| 20:35.40 | prpplague | btw, for anyone that cares emsoft has not responded about their gpl violations yet |
| 20:36.00 | prpplague | if i don't get a response by the 15th, i'm gonna post on the uclinux mailing list |
| 20:37.02 | CosmicPenguin | post it anyway |
| 20:37.15 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya think? |
| 20:37.34 | CosmicPenguin | They're in violation - we think so, andersee thinks so |
| 20:37.47 | CosmicPenguin | If they have to explain themselves, make them explain themselves to the entire list |
| 20:38.11 | prpplague | well, i didn't say in the email that i would give them until the 15th to comply |
| 20:38.17 | prpplague | s/didn't/did |
| 20:39.20 | CosmicPenguin | Comply or respond |
| 20:39.35 | prpplague | to comply |
| 20:39.48 | CosmicPenguin | That should be fine then |
| 20:39.58 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ? |
| 20:40.03 | CosmicPenguin | if they give you a lot of smoke, you can still post it and have them explain themselves |
| 20:40.13 | prpplague | exactly |
| 20:42.13 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: and i right in assuming that if a block driver in the kernel works with the fatfs driver in the kernel, that there would be a significant interaction with the kernel api's ? |
| 20:43.00 | prpplague | maybe i should ask that on kernelnewbies |
| 20:43.11 | CosmicPenguin | yes |
| 20:43.32 | CosmicPenguin | the fatfs driver is GPLed |
| 20:43.33 | prpplague | thats what i thought |
| 20:43.59 | CosmicPenguin | Now, I think its a gray area of they don't mark them with that GPL exported tag |
| 20:44.11 | CosmicPenguin | but thats only if the offending code in question is a binary module |
| 20:44.14 | prpplague | right, so the test based on what linus posted was if it used enough of the api and interconnection with the kernel |
| 20:44.18 | CosmicPenguin | which I gather it isn't, since this is uclinux |
| 20:44.35 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: and XIP |
| 20:44.41 | CosmicPenguin | even worse |
| 20:44.47 | CosmicPenguin | or better depending on your point of view |
| 20:45.53 | prpplague | hehe |
| 20:48.02 | prpplague | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS7905561833.html |
| 20:48.51 | prpplague | after hearing what sjhill had to say about them, you wonder what they are really "aiming" with |
| 20:55.13 | CosmicPenguin | Seems like a whole lot of marketing babble to me |
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| 21:10.46 | prpplague | argh, my connect sucks |
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| 21:22.44 | sorphin | stupid IT people |
| 21:23.21 | sorphin | said i was infected w/ W32.surflog.A, but the scanner he ran, said i wasn't :-P and the machien name he was seeing wasn't my machine name, but whatever |
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| 21:27.52 | prpplague | kergoth: hey, hows the dropbear ssh client shaping up? |
| 21:28.05 | prpplague | kergoth: still best bet to use openssh's client? |
| 21:40.07 | sorphin | prpplague: so when you fly out? |
| 21:40.28 | sorphin | prpplague: so we can tell the CIA/FBI what plane to watch ;p |
| 21:40.48 | prpplague | sorphin: don't even kid around about shuch |
| 21:41.37 | sorphin | well, i was kidding about that last part, but was innocently curious about when you flee to barbados |
| 21:42.29 | CosmicPenguin | nice one |
| 21:42.44 | sorphin | i doubt that was me :P |
| 21:43.26 | sorphin | (flee the current president anyways) |
| 22:20.02 | CosmicPenguin | I want a froogle for everything |
| 22:20.18 | CosmicPenguin | I want to be able to froogle landscapers in my area, and rank them by rating |
| 22:20.43 | CosmicPenguin | I wan to give my life to the worship of the froogle and all who froog within |
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