| 00:34.48 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: check works really well for driver unit testing. gonna see if i can convince my coworkers to start using it for it |
| 00:34.51 | kergoth | Running suite(s): Rtc |
| 00:34.51 | kergoth | 100%: Checks: 2, Failures: 0, Errors: 0 |
| 00:34.51 | kergoth | time_case.c:15:P:Time:rtc_rd_time: Passed |
| 00:34.51 | kergoth | alarm_case.c:15:P:Alarm:rtc_alm_read: Passed |
| 00:34.53 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:49.11 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: nice |
| 00:49.29 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: if you have any publically viewable examples, send them my way, I'm trying to push that here too |
| 00:50.01 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: this /dev/misc/rtc test suite, i can probably gpl it and throw it your way, doubt anyone would mind |
| 00:50.16 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: awesome |
| 01:12.49 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: hmm, do you know if check has a way to _expect_ a timeout? |
| 01:13.04 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: i.e. i want to make sure that a read() blocks and does _not_ return. |
| 01:13.37 | kergoth | hmm, probably not |
| 01:14.02 | kergoth | ah, can just do a select() and make sure it isnt ready for read, thats good enough |
| 01:14.05 | kergoth | heh |
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| 01:31.09 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: http://covenant.kergoth.com/rtctest-0.1.tar.gz .. let me know how that looks to you |
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| 03:35.41 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: the url i gave you earlier is dead, its http://kergoth.com/rtctest-0.1.tar.gz now |
| 03:35.44 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:40.19 | prpplague | kergoth: hey bud |
| 03:40.23 | prpplague | kergoth: hows things? |
| 03:41.17 | kergoth | not bad, keeping busy. still job hunting |
| 03:41.22 | kergoth | you? |
| 03:41.26 | prpplague | kergoth: hehe, donna's second cousin wants to meet you |
| 03:41.41 | prpplague | kergoth: donna showed her that pic of you with the lip ring |
| 03:41.54 | prpplague | hehe |
| 03:42.43 | prpplague | kergoth: just trying to keep my mind busy |
| 03:42.55 | prpplague | kergoth: big house, aweful quite |
| 03:43.09 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:43.10 | kergoth | nod |
| 03:43.13 | prpplague | kergoth: gonna watch bridge over river kwai shortly |
| 03:43.30 | kergoth | need to go grab a beer before you head out |
| 03:43.40 | prpplague | yea, at the nudie bar |
| 03:44.00 | prpplague | hehe you should take a quick trip to east texas to my favorite nudie bar |
| 03:44.42 | prpplague | kergoth: today was chandler's first day at school down there |
| 03:48.06 | prpplague | kergoth: when i get moved out next week, we can go to the flying saucer or somethig |
| 03:49.32 | kergoth | tomw sent out the tux i bought from him. finally going to have one, after all this time. as if i'd actually have time to do much with it, though |
| 03:49.35 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:49.37 | kergoth | yeah, that works |
| 03:50.37 | prpplague | kergoth: hehe |
| 03:50.54 | prpplague | kergoth: i still have 1 and half |
| 03:51.05 | prpplague | the half being the core board i hacked |
| 03:51.44 | prpplague | think i'll watch shawn of the dead instead |
| 03:52.03 | prpplague | kergoth: still need to find someone to recommend for the job |
| 03:52.11 | prpplague | kergoth: you know anyone at TI let me know |
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| 04:11.14 | prpplague | kergoth: hehe, chandler starts cricket tomorrow |
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| 07:48.07 | kergoth | hey cdm |
| 07:53.35 | cdm | hey kergoth - how's life? |
| 07:55.47 | kergoth | pretty good, keepin busy. still job hunting. |
| 07:55.56 | kergoth | got a piercing on friday |
| 07:55.57 | kergoth | heh |
| 07:55.58 | kergoth | you? |
| 07:56.21 | cdm | played a lot of Paper Mario over the weekend. |
| 07:56.54 | cdm | working on some fun stuff at work. |
| 07:57.06 | cdm | anyone know what the difference is between -shared and -pie? |
| 07:57.14 | cdm | there must be something subtly different, but I don't see it. |
| 07:57.24 | andersee | cdm: shared is like a shared library |
| 07:57.53 | cdm | andersee: sure. But -pie makes a DYN file as well. |
| 07:57.53 | andersee | cdm: pie is a position independent executable -- a binary that can be relocated anywhere in memory |
| 07:58.13 | T0mW | pic |
| 07:58.13 | cdm | so I am trying to figure out what the difference is, besides semantics. |
| 07:58.52 | andersee | cdm: pie is typically used by the uber security kernel patching folks to prevent certain types of attacks from working |
| 07:59.04 | cdm | andersee: yeah, but won't those some things work on any DYN object? |
| 07:59.18 | cdm | I mean, you can exec() libc and it actually runs. |
| 07:59.33 | cdm | prints stuff out even. ;) |
| 07:59.44 | andersee | cdm: only if the libc authors go to the trouble of making that work |
| 08:00.17 | cdm | andersee: yeah, uclibc doesn't do it. |
| 08:00.23 | T0mW | heh, you know you're comfortable with GNU/linux when you intentionally try dangerous stuff |
| 08:00.50 | cdm | so besides syntatic sugar of -fPIC/-shared vs. -fPIE/-pie - what are the differences? |
| 08:01.07 | cdm | looking at the -pie patches most of the linker commands just changed from -shared to -shared|-pie |
| 08:02.04 | cdm | and functionally I cannot find any difference in compiling and running the resulting binaries. |
| 08:02.25 | cdm | they are ELF DYN files, with the same DT_INTERP and DT_NEEDED. |
| 08:02.52 | cdm | andersee: I am working on some ELF stuff at work. |
| 08:03.12 | cdm | and trying to decide if I want to clutter out build with pie stuff. |
| 08:03.38 | cdm | or if I can just get the same results with -shared and keep out yet another TLA. |
| 08:03.42 | andersee | making exes pie means you are wasting a register to make things pic |
| 08:04.00 | cdm | andersee: sure, but so is -fPIC/-shared. |
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| 08:04.28 | andersee | but I never do -fPIC on my exes, so at least part of my apps run faster |
| 08:04.31 | cdm | and, AFAIK, the kernel will properly handle non-pic pie/shared objkects. |
| 08:04.54 | cdm | just ends up doing a bunch of COW work during the load. |
| 08:06.27 | andersee | but you still end up with a register holding the base addr so everything can be rel |
| 08:06.49 | cdm | no - you just end up patching the text section. |
| 08:06.55 | andersee | for your exe, that register could have been doing something useful... |
| 08:07.22 | cdm | gcc will emit non-PIC, relocatable code. |
| 08:07.31 | cdm | you just pay a big price at load time. |
| 08:07.35 | cdm | rather then one at runtime. |
| 08:07.56 | cdm | and you end up having to be fancy with dlopen(). |
| 08:08.27 | cdm | regardless - I was just curious if anyone knew if there are actual functional differences between fPIE/pie and fPIC/shared. |
| 08:09.00 | cdm | because so far, it just looks like the pie stuff was added to make things like autoconf happy. |
| 08:09.00 | kergoth | isnt it solar who does the gentoo security / pie stuff? ask him |
| 08:09.17 | andersee | I suppose the main difference is that ld would plan on there being a _start in a -pie |
| 08:09.30 | cdm | by keeping shared library generation (fPIC/shared) separate from binaries (fPIE/pie). |
| 08:09.45 | andersee | and would link it with crt1.o |
| 08:10.12 | cdm | that could be it - our current libc is a bit of a bastardization of such things. |
| 08:10.16 | cdm | so I wouldn't notice it. |
| 08:10.51 | cdm | andersee: have you guys made any progress with the NPTL stuff? Been enjoying the discussion on the AKML. |
| 08:11.34 | andersee | there was a proposal floated to a vendor to fun sjhill porting nptl to uclibc, but they havn't bitten... |
| 08:12.00 | cdm | What are the top-sheet issues? |
| 08:12.19 | andersee | well, mainly just that nobody thus far has felt the urge to do the port |
| 08:12.27 | cdm | :) |
| 08:12.45 | andersee | :) |
| 08:13.04 | cdm | does it hinge on the TLS stuff at all? |
| 08:14.47 | andersee | cdm: sortof, but not really. it basically reverts to linuxthreads when the needed bits are absent. |
| 08:16.58 | cdm | interesting. |
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| 15:55.17 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: mr amd how does an Opteron 244 scale up against a xeon ? |
| 15:59.47 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_8826_9014,00.html |
| 15:59.54 | CosmicPenguin | ask, and yea shall recieve |
| 16:00.51 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: :) |
| 16:01.00 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: such a gent |
| 16:03.43 | sjhill | dang |
| 16:03.52 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: can i get a job at AMD? huh, please? |
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| 16:54.05 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: you already have a nice job |
| 16:54.24 | CosmicPenguin | All this top secret stuff... :) |
| 17:11.29 | sjhill | heh |
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| 17:28.23 | cdm | morning. |
| 17:42.28 | cdm | Does anyone know of any video cards that support +-90degree rotation under Linux with randr? |
| 17:47.07 | mallum | cdm: non xfbdev ones ? |
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| 17:51.00 | CosmicPenguin | Lotsa crap in the new kernel thats for sure |
| 17:55.24 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i need to go take a crash course in 2.6 driver development |
| 18:03.24 | CosmicPenguin | vi drivers/*/*.c |
| 18:03.27 | CosmicPenguin | thats a crash course |
| 18:03.45 | kergoth | alarm_case.c:67:E:Alarm:rtc_alm_interrupt: (after this point) Received signal 9 (Killed) |
| 18:03.48 | kergoth | :( |
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| 18:10.01 | kergoth | aha |
| 18:10.24 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: fyi, check doesnt show a nice "timeout" error when a timeout happens. it just sends it a kill and tells you that |
| 18:11.57 | CosmicPenguin | doh |
| 18:20.03 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: you have a chance to take a look at that rtctest? |
| 18:31.40 | sjhill | prpplague: so go by the 3rd edition of Linux Device Drivers from ORA |
| 18:31.45 | sjhill | buy even |
| 18:33.13 | prpplague | sjhill: hehe, i have trouble learning from those types of books |
| 18:33.40 | prpplague | sjhill: i always prefered lectures in college than just plan study classes |
| 18:34.02 | prpplague | sjhill: guess i'm just weird |
| 18:42.00 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: I didn't see it |
| 18:42.04 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: did you post it or email it? |
| 18:42.20 | cdm | mallum: yeah. |
| 18:43.56 | mallum | cdm: I think most kdrive servers can do it, not sure about xorg ones |
| 18:44.35 | CosmicPenguin | heh - like pb_ said yesterday, he doesn't think Randr in Xorg can rotate |
| 18:45.07 | cdm | mallum: I tried Xati from kdrive, didn't work. |
| 18:45.13 | mallum | cdm: Xvesa ? |
| 18:45.29 | cdm | have not tried Xvesa - although I really do want acceleration. :) |
| 18:45.54 | mallum | cdm: I doubt there is any randr accel :( |
| 18:46.00 | mallum | randr is a bit of a hack |
| 18:46.04 | cdm | interesting. |
| 18:46.29 | cdm | which just put a translation module at the top of the draw stream before the video driver. |
| 18:46.40 | cdm | so a rotated display was very fast. |
| 18:46.53 | mallum | cdm: thats bascially what randr does too |
| 18:46.53 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: posted. here. http://kergoth.com/rtctest-0.2.tar.gz |
| 18:47.05 | cdm | mallum: so why does it it need low-level driver support? |
| 18:47.13 | mallum | cdm: you wanted accel |
| 18:47.19 | cdm | none of the QNX drivers had any idea they where being rotated. |
| 18:47.22 | cdm | and had acceleration. |
| 18:47.36 | cdm | for basic drawing. |
| 18:47.43 | mallum | cdm: doesn't sound like they were accelerated when rotated |
| 18:48.31 | cdm | mallum: it would just rotate the draw stream - so it would do co-ord transforms. It did mean that large images had to be rotated on the CPU before going to the GPU. |
| 18:48.47 | cdm | but blits would just have co-ord transformed. |
| 18:48.55 | cdm | it worked really really well. |
| 18:49.45 | mallum | cdm: what chipset are you using ? |
| 18:49.50 | cdm | mallum: Radeon 9200 |
| 18:50.03 | cdm | afaik - lemme get specifics. |
| 18:50.08 | mallum | cdm: hmm. |
| 18:50.28 | mallum | cdm: it probably wouldn't be that hard to fix Xati up to do at least some basic accel |
| 18:50.41 | mallum | cdm: copys and solids rotated |
| 18:50.57 | cdm | yeah. Maybe someday I will get a chance to do it. :) |
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| 18:51.15 | cdm | right now, I will just have to use VMware on windows. ;) |
| 18:51.19 | mallum | Xati kdrive is pretty hardcore |
| 18:51.23 | cdm | yeah. |
| 18:51.26 | cdm | kdrive is impressive. |
| 18:51.40 | mallum | how come vmware what does that give you ? |
| 18:52.03 | cdm | mallum: means I can still have ssh access from my Mac to my linux box while having a rotated display for viewing PDFs under Windows. ;) |
| 18:54.08 | mallum | cdm: so you want a rotated display just for viewing pdfs ? |
| 18:54.38 | cdm | well, it's a big part of why I have m second display in portrait mode rather then landscape. |
| 18:54.49 | cdm | real PITA to keep rotating it around. |
| 18:56.21 | mallum | cdm: you could run Xephyr from kdrive, think of it as a Xnest that does randr |
| 18:57.12 | cdm | that is a neat idea. |
| 18:57.35 | prpplague | sjhill: do you learn most of your stuff from text books? |
| 18:57.55 | Crofton | I learn most of my stuff by doing |
| 18:58.04 | sjhill | it goes both ways for me |
| 18:58.29 | sjhill | but with tech books, i have to be in front of the computer...i cannot read those just for the sake of reading and remembering |
| 18:58.30 | Crofton | textbooks and lectures just give you vocabulary to communicate with other people about the same problem |
| 18:58.44 | cdm | brb |
| 18:58.56 | prpplague | sjhill: yea |
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| 18:59.49 | prpplague | sjhill: i don't find too many text's that are written in a hands-on approach style |
| 19:00.10 | sjhill | actually the Linux Device Driver books are |
| 19:00.12 | sjhill | i've been impressed |
| 19:00.15 | cbrake | prpplague: I just read "Linux Kernel Development" by R. Love -- pretty good -- was actually fun to read, but does not cover drivers extensively. |
| 19:01.00 | prpplague | sjhill: yea, i have the one for the 2.4 but found it hard to follow |
| 19:01.17 | prpplague | sjhill: maybe i should the 2.6 updated one another chance |
| 19:01.22 | kergoth | dont forget to read the articles on porting to 2.6. |
| 19:01.32 | kergoth | if you already have a grasp of 2.4 driver development, thats a big help |
| 19:02.31 | prpplague | kergoth: grasp would be too big of a word, i'm more like holding on with my finger tips, hehe |
| 19:04.16 | prpplague | sjhill well fine, run away, hehe |
| 19:04.58 | prpplague | kergoth: argh, this sales person from digi won't leave me alone |
| 19:05.25 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:06.36 | prpplague | kergoth: netsilicon and digi are the funniest about sales, you call them and want quotes or product info, and you can't get anyone to call you back, then when you _don't_ want anything they are on the phone every other day calling you |
| 19:06.45 | kergoth | weird |
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| 19:09.49 | kergoth | hey tim |
| 19:13.13 | prpplague | TimRiker: yo! |
| 19:13.19 | prpplague | TimRiker: nice work on the wiki |
| 19:13.25 | prpplague | TimRiker: just about to add a few links |
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| 19:24.54 | _jerson_ | hi |
| 19:26.18 | prpplague | goodbye |
| 19:26.56 | prpplague | ppl that do that drive me (more) crazy |
| 19:34.30 | Soopaman | what's the opensource alternative to Microsoft Project? |
| 19:41.41 | prpplague | Soopaman: there are several |
| 19:42.21 | prpplague | Soopaman: there is one that ships with rhat called Mr.Project - http://mrproject.codefactory.se/ |
| 19:46.57 | mallum | thats now planner - http://www.imendio.com/projects/planner/ |
| 19:47.40 | prpplague | ahh |
| 19:48.10 | chouimat | Soopaman: www.taskjuggler.org |
| 19:49.08 | prpplague | Soopaman: last time i was in honduras the local linux user group was joking about a project management app that the drug lords were using |
| 19:49.19 | TimRiker | prpplague: =) I figured I'd dump stuff as we talked about it. ;-) |
| 19:49.40 | prpplague | TimRiker: hehe |
| 19:49.54 | prpplague | TimRiker: i've got the url for the jflash-linux |
| 19:49.59 | prpplague | TimRiker: its on the lart pages |
| 19:50.12 | prpplague | TimRiker: or atleast one version of it |
| 19:50.39 | prpplague | TimRiker: i spoke to erikm who emailed jbd to kick the server |
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| 20:08.51 | TimRiker | prpplague: ahh. |
| 20:09.42 | TimRiker | prpplague: so are your dongles Macraigor compatible? |
| 20:11.41 | T0mW | IIRC, the pinouts are different for the Macraigor vs. Holly Gates |
| 20:11.48 | T0mW | parallel port pins |
| 20:12.06 | prpplague | TimRiker: the macraigor and hg are 99% identical (as i understand the schematics) except a couple of the pins on the lpt ports are different |
| 20:12.36 | prpplague | TimRiker: the same software can be used on either, with the correct defines for each pin that is being used |
| 20:12.38 | T0mW | Macraigor has an open collector reset driver output |
| 20:13.04 | prpplague | as does the modified HG dongles were are making |
| 20:13.45 | T0mW | prpplague: wonder if you should put some 3 pin shunt jumpers on the new model to jumper it to be Macriagor pinout? |
| 20:14.08 | T0mW | pin 1-2 == HG, pin 2-3 == Macraigor |
| 20:14.14 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: I like that rtc check stuff - I sent it on |
| 20:14.17 | kergoth | speaking of jtag, i need a mcgraigor compatible cable for myself, at home. plenty of equipment at work |
| 20:14.21 | CosmicPenguin | I really think thats a clever way of handling things |
| 20:14.25 | prpplague | T0mW: hmm, i'll ask about that |
| 20:14.31 | T0mW | cheap too |
| 20:14.59 | prpplague | kergoth: i have some HG's ofcourse |
| 20:15.18 | kergoth | if the same software works on both with minor alteration, thatd work. selling em? |
| 20:15.41 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: cool. i really love check's simplicity. no extra crap, just gets out of your way |
| 20:18.06 | prpplague | kergoth: i'll be doing a pre-garage sale |
| 20:18.09 | prpplague | kergoth: friday |
| 20:18.24 | prpplague | kergoth: your welcome to come by |
| 20:19.02 | TimRiker | prpplague: is there a reason to not be completely Macraigor compatible? I understand the the hg lacks some pins, but does the Macraigor have all that is needed? |
| 20:20.28 | prpplague | TimRiker: only reason we are going with the HG pinouts is we have legacy code designed for the HG pins outs |
| 20:20.50 | TimRiker | prpplague: but that needs to be modified anyway to add the new pins, no? |
| 20:20.53 | prpplague | TimRiker: plus we aren't 100% sure about copyright stuff |
| 20:21.13 | prpplague | TimRiker: adding the extra two pins is easy |
| 20:21.16 | T0mW | prpplague: you could also do this to reduce it down to one jumper instead of several. Add a CMOS 4053 FET switch onto the board and thru the jumper control the cross connnect of the needed pinouts through the SPDT FET switch of the 4053. a 4053 has three SPDT FET switches inside it, it behaves exactly as a shunt jumper. |
| 20:21.56 | T0mW | only means another 16pin SOIC on the board |
| 20:22.25 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, i'll ask, but we have them mainly for product and sales, so me making them available at cost to ppl is just a side benefit |
| 20:22.26 | T0mW | IIRC, they are around 60ohms of series resistance |
| 20:22.31 | TimRiker | prpplague: ugh. should not be any copyright issues, there seem to be lots of projects using the Macraigor style layout. |
| 20:22.36 | T0mW | yeah |
| 20:22.53 | prpplague | TimRiker: we'll our legal ppl were concerned |
| 20:22.56 | prpplague | well |
| 20:23.11 | T0mW | those wankers are always concerned about something |
| 20:27.12 | prpplague | yea, like i said, we are making them as part of a business venture, so we are only addressing our needs and trying to keep the costs low |
| 20:30.28 | prpplague | hehe |
| 20:30.34 | prpplague | techinically its not |
| 20:30.41 | prpplague | its fully hg compatible |
| 20:31.35 | prpplague | TimRiker: and trust me, from what i've seen in the last 3 months, there are hundreds of jtag dongle variations being using in the back rooms |
| 20:32.38 | prpplague | TimRiker: i'd say 50% of the jtag dongles out there are custom for specific manufacturing purposes |
| 20:35.35 | prpplague | TimRiker: btw, just for information sake, you can use a jtag dongle to access sd/mmc cards |
| 20:36.38 | prpplague | cdm: yea well if you got the money |
| 20:41.11 | cdm | yep. |
| 20:41.28 | cdm | very sweet. I really like how it has a telnet interface for the CP15 debug output channel. |
| 20:41.52 | prpplague | cdm: i've not seen a linux client for the bdi2000, is there one? |
| 20:42.06 | cdm | What do you mean? It just uses gdb. |
| 20:42.35 | prpplague | cdm: ahh, that explains it then |
| 20:42.40 | cdm | it has a telnet monitor, a telnet port for the built-in RS232 port (for feedback), a telnet port for the Cp15 debug channel, and it talks gdb's remote protocol. :) |
| 20:42.46 | cdm | it's a wonderful product. |
| 20:42.51 | prpplague | ahh |
| 20:43.18 | prpplague | odd that the retailers don't mention gdb support |
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| 20:44.49 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: yeah, gdb is key |
| 20:45.00 | cdm | http://www.abatron.ch/products/xr/aspx/r.6/Sv.63713d7b43526570313d7b693d4b4856504b473555463253494933533241344a4c7d7d/rx/products_detail.htm |
| 20:45.24 | cdm | oh, and it TFTP's images. |
| 20:45.39 | cdm | so downloads are very fast. |
| 20:45.56 | prpplague | hmm thats very odd |
| 20:46.08 | prpplague | none of our vendors knew that it supported gdb |
| 20:47.01 | cdm | very odd. |
| 20:47.13 | cdm | we buy right from Abatron. |
| 20:47.20 | prpplague | cdm: ahh |
| 20:47.29 | prpplague | cdm: how much are you paying for your bdi2000? |
| 20:47.47 | cdm | 1 |
| 20:48.01 | cdm | sorry - ummmm, $2K I think? |
| 20:49.17 | prpplague | hmm |
| 20:49.32 | prpplague | thats a little less than the quotes we got |
| 20:49.43 | prpplague | we were getting quotes for around $2700 |
| 20:50.01 | kergoth | hm, super early ols discount eh |
| 20:50.35 | prpplague | next year for sure |
| 20:51.10 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: I'm already signed up |
| 20:52.04 | kergoth | cool |
| 20:52.17 | kergoth | considering the job situation, i doubt ti will be sending me this year |
| 20:53.44 | CosmicPenguin | you going on your own, then? |
| 20:58.21 | kergoth | most likely |
| 21:01.26 | prpplague | kergoth: hehe, you want my VIP card for "fanny's" ? |
| 21:02.32 | Crofton | I should have wrote a paper for it |
| 21:07.42 | prpplague | kergoth: have you already got a price on a plane ticket from dfw to ottawa? |
| 21:08.04 | kergoth | not yet |
| 21:08.14 | prpplague | aa is about $500 |
| 21:08.25 | kergoth | not bad |
| 21:08.36 | prpplague | hehe, british airways round trip from barbados to ottawa is just $129.00 |
| 21:08.41 | kergoth | heh, wow |
| 21:08.45 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: do it, do it now! |
| 21:09.36 | prpplague | kergoth: it has been my exprience that flying out of dfw is expensive |
| 21:10.24 | prpplague | kergoth: for kicks sometime, just check the prices on NYC to LAX, then check the same dates for DFW to LAX |
| 21:10.57 | prpplague | kergoth: DFW to LAX is usually 2x that of NYC to LAX |
| 21:11.08 | kergoth | heh, damn |
| 21:25.36 | file | eek |
| 21:33.29 | prpplague | argh, sharps support web site is like a giant house with a thousand hidden rooms |
| 21:33.42 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:34.10 | prpplague | kergoth: just found a page with a bunch of the files i've been looking for |
| 21:34.27 | prpplague | kergoth: they referenced in a bunch of their app notes but are hard as hell to find |
| 21:36.28 | prpplague | jeeze |
| 21:36.38 | prpplague | rick sure has sunk low - http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6252365021.html |
| 21:43.58 | prpplague | ugh that makes me furious |
| 21:44.18 | prpplague | that so dishonnors the idea of knighthood |
| 21:53.59 | ljp | now he can go slay dragons |
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