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| 00:06.54 | fishhead | <fishhead> <fishhead> well I had to drive 15+ mins to another walmart |
| 00:06.54 | fishhead | <fishhead> <fishhead> but found 2 mp3 kits for $21 each |
| 00:06.54 | fishhead | <fishhead> <fishhead> so I bought one and grumbled that it was $21 when the juicebox was only $13 |
| 00:06.55 | fishhead | <fishhead> <fishhead> after I was walking out the store turned out it was down to $9 |
| 00:06.55 | fishhead | <fishhead> <fishhead> should have got 2, going to get another juicebox or 2 if the price drops below $13 |
| 00:06.55 | fishhead | <Gigs3> Puff-n-Stuff: encoded how? |
| 00:06.57 | fishhead | <fishhead> mp3 kit gives you sd flash reader that works in linux, a 32 meg sd card and a sd to juicebox adaptor |
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| 02:32.12 | fishhead | http://www.studentsforacademicfreedom.org/archive/2005/January2005/AhmadFoothillarticle010605.htm <--- I hate to fly off about politics but this professor shouldbn't be allowed to get away with this and people need to write the college to fire him |
| 02:37.28 | Russ | you are going to run into professors like that |
| 02:37.54 | Russ | just write something about non-landowners not being able to vote, slavery, women's right to vote, racial equality,etc |
| 02:38.54 | Russ | I had a women's study professor who hated men and stated that the bush administration wanted to take away women's right to vote |
| 02:39.52 | fishhead | well all us talk show guys |
| 02:40.00 | fishhead | are going to pressure the college to fire him |
| 02:40.39 | Russ | good luck |
| 02:40.42 | Russ | probably tenured |
| 02:40.59 | Russ | anyway, with dumbasses like that, its much easier to get an A because you know all the buttons |
| 02:41.24 | fishhead | well at least we will make his life miserable |
| 02:41.28 | Russ | you just write something that you know will make them smile, it can be a piece of crap you wrote on the back of a napkin, you get an A |
| 02:41.30 | fishhead | so he gets a lot of death threats |
| 02:41.31 | fishhead | :) |
| 02:41.49 | Russ | he'll just feel more justified in his position |
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| 02:45.28 | Soopaman | I think tenure should be outlawed |
| 02:45.45 | prpplague | fishhead: yea, alot of campuses are packed with profs like that |
| 02:46.28 | fishhead | yeah I know |
| 02:46.34 | fishhead | but it's time we fight back |
| 02:46.44 | fishhead | freedom of speech DOES NOT MEAN WE HAVE TO PAY FOR HIS SHIT |
| 02:46.50 | fishhead | soppa I agree |
| 02:46.56 | fishhead | you should have natural tenure |
| 02:47.01 | fishhead | as in people want you to stay |
| 02:47.04 | fishhead | not forced bullshit |
| 02:48.50 | prpplague | i had many of those types of profs in college |
| 02:49.08 | fishhead | he's get my foot up his ass |
| 02:49.15 | fishhead | i'd drop the college if need be |
| 02:49.19 | fishhead | what a real nazi |
| 03:15.01 | andersee | aka the person teaching all his profs classes and grading all the papers so he had time to work on his side (i.e. real) job |
| 03:15.52 | prpplague | hehe |
| 03:17.25 | andersee | when in school, you do what the school gods tell you to do. or else. |
| 03:17.47 | Russ | andersee: or pick a different university |
| 03:17.54 | andersee | yeah... |
| 03:18.51 | andersee | sadly, being a grad student tends to mean being exploited pretty much everywhere |
| 03:19.10 | andersee | oh well, glad I'm all done with it |
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| 04:49.38 | Soopaman | not sure if this is off topic/unethical for this chan |
| 04:49.48 | Soopaman | but does antyone know of a good exploit for pureftpd |
| 04:50.20 | Soopaman | trying to find a telnet/ssh daemon on this router by using the pureftpd daemon as a way in |
| 04:50.40 | Soopaman | that or if anyone has any tips on reading/opening firmware |
| 04:53.29 | fishhead | soopa |
| 04:53.31 | fishhead | did you see this |
| 04:53.43 | fishhead | <fishhead> <fishhead> http://elinux.sourceforge.net/wiki/JuiceBox |
| 04:53.43 | fishhead | <fishhead> <fishhead> LIME GREEN MODEL = 8 MEG RAM INSTEAD OF 2 AND THE ROM IS A SURFACE MOUNT CHIP YOU COULD POSSIBLY UNSOLDER WHILE THE 2 MEG IS A GLOB OF EPOXY THAT MIGHT BE IMPOSSIBLE |
| 04:53.43 | fishhead | <fishhead> I might buy another one when they drop below $13 |
| 04:53.48 | fishhead | goodnight man |
| 04:55.13 | Soopaman | what is that? |
| 04:55.39 | Soopaman | that's pretty cool |
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| 13:04.21 | cozy_ | hi all |
| 13:05.19 | cozy_ | i am new to embedded linux, i am looking for an software emulator that has a network interface too |
| 13:05.39 | cozy_ | any idea what i can use? |
| 13:06.48 | cozy_ | i search over google, but i couldn't anything relevant... |
| 13:16.46 | cozy_ | nobody? ;) |
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| 14:14.54 | sireesh | every one is trying to use WINCE as embedded system os and initialy everone starts with that. If distribution for embedded Linux id available , which contain all development toolset kike WINCE platform builder then everyone will start using embedded Linux as there OS |
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| 15:24.48 | chouimat | morning |
| 15:25.17 | sjhill | lo' |
| 15:35.15 | AMDPenguin | Yallo |
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| 16:00.57 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ahh island life, front page news, http://www.nationnews.com/StoryView.cfm?Record=57925&Section=Local&Current=2005%2D02%2D18%2000%3A00%3A00 |
| 16:04.06 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 16:06.20 | kergoth_ | bleh |
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| 16:16.32 | prpplague | kergoth: morning |
| 16:17.44 | pb_ | g'day plague |
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| 16:19.03 | prpplague | pb_: howdy |
| 16:19.10 | prpplague | pb_: hows life in histon? |
| 16:19.18 | prpplague | pb_: gonna have to take a trip there someday |
| 16:20.11 | prpplague | pb_: nice little backdrop to the "dirty war" movie, with todays annoucement of 30kilos of plutonium missing in the UK |
| 16:22.55 | Russ | prpplague: you know how if you go to mexico, they say, "don't drink the water"? |
| 16:23.06 | Russ | prpplague: if you go to the UK, don't eat the food |
| 16:24.44 | prpplague | Russ: hehe, yea, i've heard that |
| 16:25.08 | prpplague | Russ: hehe, bajans have similiar food , but they spice it up |
| 16:25.20 | prpplague | Russ: like shepards pie in the west indies is really spicy |
| 16:25.56 | prpplague | Russ: hehe, difference between texas chilli and newyork chilli |
| 16:26.44 | chouimat | hmmmm spices |
| 16:27.32 | CosmicPenguin | mmmm.... chilli |
| 16:27.59 | CosmicPenguin | That sounds good - maybe I'll make that this weekend |
| 16:27.59 | chouimat | ok bbl lunchtime .... damn you all to make me hungry early |
| 16:28.00 | prpplague | argh, this dram init stuff is a beoych |
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| 16:39.58 | prpplague | cbrake_home: hey |
| 16:40.09 | prpplague | cbrake_home: hanging at the house today? |
| 16:42.19 | cbrake_home | no, just switching my IRC stuff around. |
| 16:42.52 | cbrake_home | prpplague: I'm running VNC over SSH to my home systems -- seems to be working pretty well. |
| 16:43.17 | prpplague | cbrake_home: ahh |
| 16:43.30 | prpplague | cbrake_home: i'm partial to x11 forwarding over ssh |
| 16:44.09 | kergoth_ | for irc, i prefer an irc proxy running at home, connecting to it directly via ssl from various irc clients. |
| 16:44.13 | kergoth_ | heh |
| 16:44.17 | cbrake_home | prpplague: yeah, I used to do that, but we have a really bad network connection here (50KB/sec) -- gets a little slow with X |
| 16:44.55 | CosmicPenguin | of course, you can always lose the GUI |
| 16:45.12 | kergoth_ | yeah, irssi or epic or bitchx in a screen session always works |
| 16:49.16 | prpplague | yea i mainly meant instead of vnc |
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| 16:49.32 | prpplague | i much prefer cli anyway |
| 16:49.53 | cbrake_home | what do you guys use for IRC client? |
| 16:53.38 | prpplague | cbrake_home: xchat for x and bitchx for cli |
| 16:56.03 | andersee | prpplague: cli is for losers. I only use sti. |
| 16:56.17 | andersee | ;-) |
| 17:00.00 | CosmicPenguin | I lick my fingers and grab onto the wires directly |
| 17:07.10 | andersee | right before you pee on the electric fence |
| 17:07.59 | CosmicPenguin | hey - the mythbusters showed that to be unlikely |
| 17:09.54 | andersee | perhaps they did. But when I was a little kid, my brother convinced me to try it. Once. Not _nearly_ as bad as touching the wire, but it certainly was not something to repeat. |
| 17:10.34 | CosmicPenguin | hmm.... |
| 17:10.47 | kergoth_ | cbrake_home: i use irssi, myself. xirssi if i -really- need an x client |
| 17:11.16 | andersee | I suspect these alledged mythbusters didn't try it themselves... Or hadn't eaten salt recently, or whatever |
| 17:11.35 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: in fact they did try it - I'm ashamed to say that I have watched a grown man pee on national TV |
| 17:12.04 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: and, sadly enough, that was the same episode that they revisited the goldfinger myth, and I saw the same grown man get his temprature taken - the hard way |
| 17:12.44 | CosmicPenguin | Or wait, I'm way off - they busted the peeing on the third rail myth, they confirmed the electric fence myth |
| 17:13.00 | CosmicPenguin | My apologies |
| 17:13.16 | andersee | I invite all doubters to try it themselves. |
| 17:13.28 | andersee | :-) |
| 17:13.58 | andersee | once at 4 years old was plenty of 'learnin for one lifetime |
| 17:14.25 | CosmicPenguin | At least it didn't do any permanant damage... :) |
| 17:15.04 | andersee | cept for the extra eyes, wings, and tentacles, my kids are all fine |
| 17:15.15 | prpplague | andersee: hehe |
| 17:16.58 | CosmicPenguin | I think that probably has more to do with you living on old mining sites then the electric fence... ;) |
| 17:18.05 | CosmicPenguin | But not when you had the kids...:) |
| 17:18.55 | andersee | no doubt my old house was on top of uranium mine tailings |
| 17:19.02 | andersee | or some such |
| 17:19.46 | CosmicPenguin | Whats scary is that they're building a hospital on the Murray Smelter site |
| 17:20.19 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: at least they will be certain to get lots of repeat customers |
| 17:20.38 | andersee | good for business |
| 17:20.58 | CosmicPenguin | That place was a superfund site not 5 years ago |
| 17:21.42 | CosmicPenguin | I mean, yea for the environment if they cleaned it up and it is safe now |
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| 17:21.46 | CosmicPenguin | but if they didn't... well.... |
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| 17:54.39 | kergoth_ | hey cdm |
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| 18:05.27 | kergoth | hey tim |
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| 18:13.18 | prpplague | TimRiker: lo |
| 18:18.49 | TimRiker | yo |
| 18:20.27 | TimRiker | ~seen dave-osk |
| 18:20.36 | ibot | dave-osk <~db@adsl-69-107-84-31.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 3d 20h 18m 48s ago, saying: '... but the size in my build was 30 MB. So, shouldn't opie-collections check "30" not "24"?'. |
| 18:35.00 | CosmicPenguin | gah |
| 18:36.52 | CosmicPenguin | what sort of evil never never land does this code think its in? |
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| 19:29.01 | CosmicPenguin | hmmm..... interesting |
| 19:29.44 | CosmicPenguin | The way 2.6 is set up, nothing sets the inital mode of a framebuffer unless the framebuffer console is set up |
| 19:30.05 | CosmicPenguin | And microwindows dislikes that |
| 19:30.25 | kergoth | cant mw check what modes are supported, and switch to one on its own? |
| 19:30.42 | CosmicPenguin | it should be |
| 19:30.47 | CosmicPenguin | hmm... |
| 19:31.07 | CosmicPenguin | but I suspect that qte suffers from the same illness |
| 19:32.43 | CosmicPenguin | hmm..... thats quite interesting |
| 19:33.55 | CosmicPenguin | should a device using /dev/fb0 assume that the framebuffer is in a sane mode before it starts? |
| 19:34.00 | CosmicPenguin | s/device/application/ |
| 19:34.09 | kergoth | good question |
| 19:37.48 | CosmicPenguin | Hmmm..... |
| 19:45.48 | CosmicPenguin | I think the answer to that question is yes |
| 19:48.56 | CosmicPenguin | hmm...... |
| 19:51.43 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: this sdram init process is a nightmare |
| 19:51.54 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: its extremely sensitive |
| 19:52.39 | CosmicPenguin | I'm sure |
| 19:53.54 | CosmicPenguin | I'm pissed I need to take on the fsckin' framebuffer console |
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| 22:20.35 | TimRiker | well, having a frame does _not_ mean that your virtual console is on that frame buffer. |
| 22:21.08 | TimRiker | I used to boot with a console on a mono card and then bring up the vga card after the fact. |
| 22:21.54 | CosmicPenguin | TimRiker: this is very true |
| 22:22.11 | CosmicPenguin | But in the interest of pretending I'm an embedded developer, I didn't want that infrastructure at all... :) |
| 22:22.32 | TimRiker | today that would be really rare, but having 2 video cards is not all that rare and microwindows/pixel/Nano-X Window System/WhateverGregCallsItNext should handle that. |
| 22:22.48 | CosmicPenguin | good luck with that |
| 22:22.52 | CosmicPenguin | it won't start on anything but tty0 |
| 22:23.12 | TimRiker | an obvious design limitation. |
| 22:23.20 | CosmicPenguin | I spent a day trying to hack it to use arbitrary vcs one time |
| 22:23.26 | CosmicPenguin | needless to say, it didn't work |
| 22:23.59 | CosmicPenguin | I should look at that again - I really want a bootmenu demo |
| 22:24.46 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:24.54 | CosmicPenguin | Heh - thats probably what I'm fighting with right now |
| 22:25.00 | CosmicPenguin | I *want* the damn cursor! |
| 22:25.06 | TimRiker | hehe |
| 22:25.26 | TimRiker | opie still had the same stinking startup code last I looked. insane. |
| 22:25.38 | kergoth | most of that resides in qte |
| 22:25.44 | kergoth | not opie or qtopia |
| 22:25.56 | CosmicPenguin | Well, if anyone knows where one turns on or off the cursor, I would appreciate it |
| 22:26.15 | TimRiker | grep qte for /dev/tty* ;-) |
| 22:26.18 | CosmicPenguin | just randomly clicking on the screen until you hit an icon makes for a poor demo... |
| 22:26.53 | kergoth | heh, cp means the mouse cursor, not the cursor on the tty |
| 22:27.00 | TimRiker | iirc qte does devfs and non devfs names rather than looking to see what's there. |
| 22:27.01 | CosmicPenguin | oh, heh |
| 22:27.03 | CosmicPenguin | stupid terms |
| 22:27.08 | CosmicPenguin | don't be ambigious |
| 22:27.11 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:27.23 | TimRiker | hehe |
| 22:29.46 | CosmicPenguin | Its time for QTE to meet the Geode graphics accelerator |
| 22:30.55 | file[laptop] | and VoIP. |
| 22:31.30 | CosmicPenguin | First give me a client worth three cents and I'll add it |
| 22:31.53 | file[laptop] | loan me nice hardware and a client might appear for you |
| 22:32.29 | CosmicPenguin | you serious clark? |
| 22:32.46 | file[laptop] | SIP based? |
| 22:34.13 | file[laptop] | but yes, it is possible |
| 22:36.39 | file[laptop] | 17 days till I'm at VON |
| 22:38.08 | kergoth | file[laptop]: so.. you've played with various session management and control protocols for your voip stuff. are they capable of handling video streams as well as audio? what about multicasting? |
| 22:38.39 | file[laptop] | kergoth: in SIP video is there... it's just another RTP stream of data |
| 22:39.01 | kergoth | right, that was my understanding, but i wanted to confirm with someone who has real world experience with such things |
| 22:39.08 | kergoth | how would audio/video synchronization be handled, i wonder |
| 22:39.27 | file[laptop] | independent, there's no real syncing... |
| 22:39.32 | file[laptop] | it's fun |
| 22:39.34 | kergoth | hmm, that could be an issue |
| 22:39.34 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:39.39 | file[laptop] | cause on the audio component you can have silence suppresion |
| 22:39.44 | file[laptop] | meaning audio isn't transmitted always ;) |
| 22:39.45 | kergoth | ahh right |
| 22:39.51 | kergoth | so each end has to handle that |
| 22:39.54 | kergoth | makes sense |
| 22:39.54 | file[laptop] | yeah |
| 22:40.02 | file[laptop] | so rather hard to keep it in sync |
| 22:40.11 | kergoth | okay |
| 22:40.26 | file[laptop] | IAX2 has the capability for video... but nothing uses it |
| 22:40.38 | kergoth | thinking about getting into some set top box type stuff, and sdp/sip might be useful for subscribing to and creating video/audio streams to/from the device |
| 22:40.59 | file[laptop] | you can abuse SIP rather nicely |
| 22:41.21 | kergoth | have you looked at the sdpng bits? i was reading the internet drafts earlier |
| 22:41.38 | file[laptop] | nah |
| 22:41.58 | file[laptop] | there is one thing about SIP though that's bothersome - each implementer has their own interpretation of the RFC |
| 22:42.08 | file[laptop] | so some things go funky |
| 22:42.14 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: theres rdp/rstp too |
| 22:42.35 | file[laptop] | CosmicPenguin: but I would seriously be interested in doing something ;) |
| 22:43.05 | file[laptop] | stupid web stuff and silly Windows apps at school are driving me crazy |
| 22:43.41 | kergoth | so, does anyone know what this iptv stuff is exactly? finding a protocol specification seems to be next to impossible |
| 22:44.02 | file[laptop] | probably done on purpose haha |
| 22:44.13 | file[laptop] | but what are you exactly trying to do... if I dare inquire |
| 22:44.15 | kergoth | right, i figure its one of two things |
| 22:44.45 | kergoth | either iptv is highly commercial and you have to pay for the info |
| 22:44.53 | kergoth | or its known open technologies and they dotn want people to know that. |
| 22:44.59 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:45.05 | file[laptop] | hrm it's RSVP and HTTP |
| 22:47.06 | CosmicPenguin | file[laptop]: I can help you out |
| 22:49.19 | file[laptop] | CosmicPenguin: details! |
| 22:52.03 | CosmicPenguin | file[laptop]: I'm heading off to roam the bulding in search of the people with the toys |
| 22:52.14 | file[laptop] | have fun |
| 22:52.43 | CosmicPenguin | but first /me finds where qte cursors are turned off |
| 22:53.43 | CosmicPenguin | It seems like something like that shouldn't be in a fsckin' header file |
| 22:53.46 | CosmicPenguin | but hey, thats just me |
| 22:54.46 | kergoth | you'd think thatd just be a ./configure option or something |
| 22:54.58 | kergoth | either that, or controlled by the input device. default to off with TS, on with mouse, or something |
| 23:01.48 | file[laptop] | CosmicPenguin: what did you have in mind for the toy, and what for the GUI... |
| 23:03.44 | *** join/#elinux cain (~cain@Dynamic-IP-cr20011836168.cable.net.co) |
| 23:04.24 | CosmicPenguin | file[laptop]: hold on, gonna talk to my boss |
| 23:04.28 | cain | Hello... Where Can i buy the S3C4510B chip or similar samsung chips in US???? |
| 23:15.37 | fishhead | BAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH |
| 23:15.48 | fishhead | dude |
| 23:17.23 | fishhead | cain |
| 23:17.33 | fishhead | is that the samsung chip based on arm7tdmi |
| 23:21.36 | cain | yes is a samsung chip |
| 23:22.10 | fishhead | you aren't in us are you ? |
| 23:33.39 | *** join/#elinux sjhill (~sjhill@spvl-02-110.dsl.netins.net) |
| 23:46.43 | CosmicPenguin | file[laptop]: ok, man, I think we've got it |