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00:56.49 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: w/ help of your twin? |
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01:01.42 | sorphin | [g2]: evening |
01:01.59 | [g2]-flu | hey sorphin |
01:11.06 | hardwire | yer all a bunch of sexy mofos |
01:11.08 | hardwire | you know that! |
01:14.52 | ljp | get back in yer submarine |
01:17.09 | hardwire | hmmphm |
01:18.25 | file | what's up Mr. Hardwire? |
01:18.54 | hardwire | cats must love to poop |
01:18.56 | hardwire | cause they sure are lovable right after they do. |
01:18.58 | hardwire | oh |
01:19.00 | hardwire | not a damn thing |
01:19.00 | file | haha |
01:19.04 | hardwire | just write a lengthy email to a company that wants to make communication airships |
01:19.06 | hardwire | like.. maybe a 2 page email |
01:19.08 | hardwire | heh |
01:19.10 | hardwire | statement of need |
01:19.19 | hardwire | amazing stuff |
01:19.32 | hardwire | if I had more free floating fixed position balloons.. I would be a happy man |
01:19.58 | hardwire | if I could even just tether a balloon + 2000 feet I would be a happy man. |
01:20.03 | hardwire | well.. maybe a mile |
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04:41.27 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
05:15.55 | CP|Home | markl_: what up? |
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05:39.12 | Russ | CP|Home: put the gentoo down and step away from the cd |
05:42.17 | Russ | CP|Home: I think we have a 12 step program for you |
05:56.14 | CP|Home | never! |
06:07.37 | markl_ | CP|Home: not much |
06:07.43 | markl_ | what is new with you |
06:08.06 | CP|Home | nada |
06:08.17 | CP|Home | Hows the job? |
06:08.37 | markl_ | great |
06:08.41 | markl_ | our crazy project is done |
06:08.49 | markl_ | back to 40 hour weeks again |
06:08.54 | CP|Home | bonuses all around then? |
06:09.03 | markl_ | haven't heard much about that |
06:09.20 | markl_ | but i hear that public companies do that kind of thing |
06:09.50 | CP|Home | Thats what they tell me, but then they mumble something about next quarter and disappear for 4 months |
06:09.52 | markl_ | how is the geode treating you |
06:10.06 | CP|Home | Its doing ok - really really busy |
06:10.53 | markl_ | did you catch the latest cringely |
06:11.21 | CP|Home | No, I didn't see that |
06:11.25 | markl_ | it's about that damn annoying PIC |
06:11.35 | markl_ | annoying because i can't buy one |
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06:13.42 | CP|Home | There is close cousin to the PIC that is currently in production that we are working to get directly to the geek market |
06:15.25 | markl_ | geek market meaning linux pre-installed? |
06:16.21 | CP|Home | geek market meaning it comes in a plain cardboard box with the unit, a CF adapter and a link to the website with drivers, datasheets and community forums |
06:16.50 | markl_ | cool |
06:17.03 | markl_ | ethernet? |
06:17.11 | CP|Home | ethernet, vga, and 4 usb |
06:17.23 | markl_ | 8 watts? |
06:17.51 | CP|Home | http://www.dtresearch.com/prod_webDT166CE.html |
06:17.53 | CP|Home | That, actually |
06:18.27 | CP|Home | I'm embaressed to say I don't know how many watts the whole package takes |
06:18.33 | markl_ | no penguin |
06:18.35 | markl_ | ? |
06:18.35 | CP|Home | the processor only needs 1.1, but you probably already new that |
06:18.38 | CP|Home | knew it even |
06:18.56 | CP|Home | DT is the manufactuer, and they sell it as a thin client design |
06:19.17 | CP|Home | The CE load is theirs |
06:20.06 | markl_ | looks nice |
06:20.13 | CP|Home | its a damn cute little box |
06:20.24 | markl_ | much less ugly than pic |
06:20.30 | CP|Home | heh |
06:20.46 | CP|Home | Thats my baby - I did the LInux work for that while the CE guys were doing the PIC |
06:20.55 | markl_ | cool |
06:21.02 | markl_ | when will it be purchaseable |
06:21.11 | markl_ | and how $$ |
06:21.14 | CP|Home | its currently hung up in red tape and politics |
06:21.34 | CP|Home | It should be cheaper then the PIC |
06:22.10 | markl_ | cool |
06:22.25 | markl_ | why do thin clients not support xdm |
06:23.03 | CP|Home | Windows models usually don't |
06:23.41 | CP|Home | Windows guys have a hard problem understanding that model - the other day I was running some code on one of our opterons, and sending the gui stuff to my desk |
06:24.12 | CP|Home | The head windows developer was totally blown away that I could do something like that without having to do VNC |
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07:02.48 | sorphin | cdm: evening |
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07:43.11 | hardwire | ugh |
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13:38.13 | prpplague | ho didy ho ho |
14:12.55 | pb_ | morning prpplague |
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14:15.53 | prpplague | pb_: morning |
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14:51.03 | chouimat | mornign |
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15:10.28 | sorphin | well well, if it isn't a plague and a lackey (sjhill) |
15:18.10 | prpplague | sorphin: morning |
15:23.10 | prpplague | argh, i need to sell this stuff asap |
15:23.23 | prpplague | too bad i don't know more ppl in the dfw area |
15:24.20 | sorphin | prpplague: use ebay, and specify local pickup, etc, heh, worth a shot |
15:24.40 | sorphin | or the paper, that's all i can say. |
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15:28.39 | kergoth`zzz | morning |
15:28.43 | CosmicPenguin | yep |
15:31.33 | prpplague | sorphin: yea, probably gonna have a large garage sale next weekedn |
15:31.40 | prpplague | sorphin: but i could use the cash today |
15:31.40 | sorphin | ya |
15:31.53 | prpplague | kergoth: need a treadmill? hehe |
15:31.54 | sorphin | well, there's always the pawn shop |
15:31.58 | prpplague | kergoth: or a couch |
15:33.25 | prpplague | kergoth_: you decided anything on your direction? |
15:34.14 | prpplague | kergoth_: i think you'd do well here at aml if you could get over the 9 to 5 thing |
15:35.30 | chouimat | morning sorphin prpplague |
15:35.38 | sorphin | chouimat: lo |
15:36.14 | prpplague | lo |
15:36.29 | CosmicPenguin | Whats this 9 to 5 people keep talking about? |
15:36.35 | sjhill | <PROTECTED> |
15:36.38 | sjhill | oops |
15:36.45 | sjhill | that's better |
15:36.46 | sorphin | ha |
15:36.47 | sjhill | sheesh |
15:36.52 | sjhill | ~ibot fishslap sorphin |
15:36.54 | ibot | ACTION slaps sorphin up side the head with a wet fish. |
15:36.54 | sorphin | sjhill: nice one, lackey |
15:37.01 | sorphin | ~whaleslap sjhill |
15:37.03 | ibot | ACTION slaps sjhill upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
15:37.22 | sorphin | chouimat: midnight to 8am? ;) |
15:37.28 | sjhill | eww |
15:37.41 | chouimat | sorphin: noon to 8p, |
15:37.42 | chouimat | m |
15:37.43 | sjhill | 12pm-8pm would not be so bad |
15:37.44 | sjhill | ah |
15:37.48 | sorphin | uhh |
15:38.08 | sorphin | gave me all day to get stuff done |
15:38.10 | kergoth_ | i work 10-7 at ti. not too bad |
15:38.15 | chouimat | sjhill: you can still get up at 7 but when you get to work you're fully awake |
15:38.33 | sorphin | get up at 7? blech |
15:38.52 | pb_ | morning kergoth |
15:39.00 | pb_ | g'day sorphin |
15:39.04 | kergoth_ | i could never get up at 7. half the time i'm still up at 7 |
15:39.05 | kergoth_ | hey pb_ |
15:39.09 | sorphin | pb_: wotcher mr pb_ |
15:41.51 | prpplague | hehe |
15:42.06 | prpplague | kergoth_: at 5:30 they lock the doors here |
15:42.13 | kergoth_ | eep |
15:42.20 | prpplague | kergoth_: and no one is allowed to come in on weekends |
15:42.32 | sorphin | sounds like a kergoth friendly environment ;) |
15:45.32 | sorphin | heh |
15:45.46 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: that would seriously piss me off |
15:46.02 | CosmicPenguin | I don't want anyone telliing me how to work, even if they think they're looking out for my best interest |
15:46.36 | CosmicPenguin | If I want to stay till 7:00 then by god, I'll stay till 7 |
15:46.40 | sorphin | CP|Home: i wouldn't mind it, because i dont' view it as they're telling me how to work, that's just when the company runs |
15:46.49 | sorphin | damn name matching |
15:46.57 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: then you're insane ;) |
15:46.59 | CosmicPenguin | doh - sorry about that |
15:49.56 | prpplague | yea well abcsinc totally broke me on overtime |
15:50.20 | sorphin | prpplague: i thoguht the ex wife is what totally broke you |
15:50.20 | sorphin | doh |
15:51.06 | sorphin | prpplague: just remember, as dictator^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hpresident of barbados, you're always in demand ;) |
15:51.35 | prpplague | sorphin: broke as in spirit not as in paycheck |
15:51.45 | sorphin | indeed |
15:53.38 | sorphin | anyways |
15:54.10 | sorphin | this weekend might as well be 2 more weekdays, cuz it's gonna suck |
15:56.26 | CosmicPenguin | Screw what |
15:56.30 | CosmicPenguin | s/what/that/ |
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16:10.25 | sorphin | CP|Home: well, it's a weekend of more packing, and the 1st bridal shower is tomorrow for missy, and sunday i have to spend my evening, the 1st of 5, w/ some couple for marriage preperation crap cuz of the church, and sunday day is compare 2 tux places |
16:11.56 | JasonMcM | I usually work from 8am to 4pm, skipping lunch (Why break my chain of thought?) |
16:12.43 | sorphin | JasonMcM: i sometimes need the sugar |
16:12.46 | [g2] | go'n to the church and I'm gonna get married .... :) |
16:13.08 | JasonMcM | sorphin: That's what 37 seconds at the microwive with a HotPocket(tm) is for. |
16:15.04 | sorphin | JasonMcM: well, that'll prolly be the way once i'm at hte new house and have a real place to put my food :P |
16:15.15 | sorphin | [g2]: heh, the formal wedding is her idea |
16:15.42 | [g2] | sorphin, It's nice of you to go along with her wishes |
16:18.17 | sorphin | [g2]: well, it's one of those situations, that either you do or you won't be getting hitched, so... |
16:18.28 | sorphin | not realy a choice |
16:18.38 | sorphin | this wedding is her "dream", location, etc |
16:18.56 | [g2] | s/hitched/hitched to that woman/ :) |
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16:29.10 | sorphin | heh |
16:30.35 | sorphin | [g2]: no, more like hitched at all |
16:31.49 | sorphin | [g2]: i dont' believe there's multiple people that are perfect for you out there, i think if the 1st time fails, then that person wasn't the perfect one for you.. missy however, is properly suited fo rme |
16:32.01 | sorphin | [g2]: everyone has their own deal i guess |
16:32.08 | [g2] | nod. |
16:32.23 | [g2] | what's important is that you are happy with yours |
16:32.47 | sorphin | [g2]: tnx |
16:33.26 | CosmicPenguin | I like that you say its marriage preperation crap |
16:33.39 | sorphin | CP|Home: that's what they "call" it |
16:33.46 | CosmicPenguin | Somehow, I don't think your personality is suited to the pagentry of the big day |
16:34.14 | sorphin | but they required you to go to the free session |
16:34.14 | prpplague | JasonMcM: yea, i rarely take lunch unless i have to go and take care of something |
16:34.40 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: and yours was? :P |
16:35.03 | CosmicPenguin | Hey, i was at least able to take it in stride |
16:35.36 | CosmicPenguin | But then again, ocassionally I dare to like something thats "popular" |
16:36.04 | prpplague | ~seen t0mW |
16:36.05 | ibot | t0mw <tom@24.229.141.189> was last seen on IRC in channel #elinux, 2d 19h 48m 38s ago, saying: 'k, look into it now'. |
16:39.07 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: uh huh |
16:39.28 | sorphin | prpplague: the house is already doign that, the being married won't change anything any more than it's already doing |
16:54.36 | sorphin | tho, i was gonna use my refund and get a mac mini, well, that idea has been abolished, ala missy |
17:50.06 | prpplague | pb_: whats cookin today in the UK? |
17:54.10 | prpplague | sorphin: looks like i'm gonna have to file single this year |
17:54.28 | prpplague | sorphin: doesn't look like we are gonna be able to get donna a taxpayer id |
17:54.46 | prpplague | sorphin: which means i'll get nothing back, probably owe money |
17:57.00 | sorphin | prpplague: lovely |
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18:05.01 | chouimat | ok now people doesn't know how to make money anymore |
18:05.04 | chouimat | http://www.petsmobility.com |
18:05.12 | prpplague | sorphin: hey you got that url for the vacation commercial? |
18:05.30 | sorphin | prpplague: hold |
18:05.36 | prpplague | thx |
18:06.08 | sorphin | prpplague: http://www.lifeofanactor.com/vacationadd.htm |
18:09.56 | pb_ | prpplague: not a whole lot, just about to head home. been debugging some pre-production boards from a supplier in the far east. |
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18:49.03 | sorphin | cdm: moin |
18:54.04 | cdm | hey man. |
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19:08.38 | CosmicPenguin | stupid proxy |
19:08.43 | CosmicPenguin | ~lart the AMD proxy |
19:28.46 | prpplague | is the ftp.arm.linux.org.uk still down? |
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20:09.02 | prpplague | kergoth_: you are using u-boot for some of the oe builds right? |
20:09.17 | kergoth | u-boot's used on the omap boards. oe doesnt build it yet |
20:09.19 | kergoth | i dont think anyway |
20:09.51 | prpplague | kergoth: hmm |
20:09.58 | prpplague | kergoth: you said you like it right? |
20:10.07 | kergoth | works well. featureful |
20:10.35 | prpplague | kergoth: complicated to build and/or modify? |
20:13.00 | kergoth | nope |
20:14.05 | prpplague | kergoth: you used rrload? |
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20:17.22 | cbrake | prpplague: the scripting support built into uboot is very handy. |
20:17.51 | kergoth | indeed |
20:18.26 | prpplague | cbrake: downloading it now to have a look |
20:19.03 | cbrake | prpplague: get the latest out of CVS. The last released version is quite old. |
20:19.16 | prpplague | cbrake: oh, ok |
20:22.45 | prpplague | cbrake: uboot latest release says jan5,2005 |
20:22.57 | prpplague | cbrake: is that "old" in your book? heheh |
20:23.54 | prpplague | eeh gads, thats alot of files |
20:24.01 | cbrake | prpplague: yeah, that is pretty old for this open source stuff you know ... :-) |
20:24.36 | cbrake | prpplague: actually, have not tracked the releases in the last month or two -- good to see there is something fairly recent. |
20:26.30 | prpplague | cbrake: hehe, our base build is on versions of gpl'd software over 2 years old |
20:29.51 | cbrake | prpplague: yeah, that is about where our IDP builds are. I'm slowing getting them current again. |
20:45.34 | TimRiker | my issue with u-boot is that it is large. blob could be < 32k but u-boot on the omap hardware is normally > 65k which means 128k and then another block for params which is 128k |
20:45.48 | TimRiker | I hate giving up 256k just for a bootloader. =( |
20:46.02 | prpplague | TimRiker: agreed, and space is an issue on this |
20:46.32 | TimRiker | I wonder if anyone has hacked u-boot to store it's params and env in the same block? |
20:46.34 | kergoth | it can be shrunk down though. jian did some work on that for nand boot |
20:47.04 | prpplague | TimRiker: my custom bootloader is just 3k |
20:47.11 | TimRiker | on omap devices where you can reflash over usb even if they are dead, I'm not so worried about rewriting u-boot itself when I do a "saveenv" |
20:47.32 | prpplague | TimRiker: granted it doesn't do anything except boot the kernel |
20:47.42 | TimRiker | kergoth: where is jian's work on that? Is it in u-boot cvs? |
20:48.46 | TimRiker | prpplague: nod. netwinder builds a kernel that boots directly from 0x0, they just link in the hardware init. course then they normally use that kernel to boot another kernel off a filesystem. |
20:49.21 | prpplague | TimRiker: thats neat |
20:50.16 | prpplague | TimRiker: i need to be able to load a kernel and ramdisk from mmc |
20:50.45 | prpplague | TimRiker: i was thinking about hacking my custom bootloader with fat support |
20:50.57 | prpplague | TimRiker: i think i could probably keep it pretty small |
20:52.00 | TimRiker | prpplague: uboot has mmc and fat support. ;-) |
20:53.45 | kergoth | TimRiker: not sure if that has gone upstream. probably best off pinging him on it |
20:53.56 | prpplague | TimRiker: yea, i'd still have to get uboot up and running on the lh79520 |
20:54.06 | TimRiker | ok, will do. |
20:54.47 | cbrake | prpplague: uboot it is nice for development if nothing else. |
20:55.27 | TimRiker | prpplague: =) current list: 74xx_7xx arm1136 arm720t arm920t arm925t arm926ejs at91rm9200 coldfire i386 ixp lh7a40x mc9328 mcf52x2 microblaze mips mpc5xx mpc5xxx mpc8220 mpc824x mpc8260 mpc85xx mpc8xx nios nios2 ppc4xx pxa s3c44b0 sa1100 xscale |
20:55.44 | TimRiker | arm720t is what you have, yes? |
20:56.57 | TimRiker | looks like these boards use the arm720t: ep7312 evb4510 impa7 modnet50 any of those familiar? |
20:59.47 | sorphin | ~curse djb |
20:59.48 | ibot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, djb ! |
21:00.30 | prpplague | TimRiker: yea its an arm720t |
21:00.43 | prpplague | TimRiker: but no sharp |
21:01.23 | prpplague | TimRiker: the sharp series has been kinda ignored since *cough* lineo created those nightmare patches |
21:01.46 | TimRiker | sounds like a trend |
21:02.12 | prpplague | TimRiker: ignored by the linux community |
21:02.26 | prpplague | TimRiker: they are extremely popular in the biz market |
21:03.20 | prpplague | TimRiker: most of the mid size business love them because they are available in qfp packaging and sharp is guarranting availablitity until 2012 |
21:11.03 | prpplague | anyone done some fat hacking other than CosmicPenguin |
21:11.32 | file | Zipit status! |
21:11.33 | CosmicPenguin | Thats me, a fat hacker! |
21:14.24 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, as soon as donna and the kids leave, i'm gonna like spend 24x7 hacking |
21:15.58 | TimRiker | file: huh? no zipit update that I'm aware of. someone posted on the mailing list that: |
21:16.04 | TimRiker | ~nslookup www.zippyim.com |
21:16.10 | TimRiker | ~nslookup www.zipitwireless.com |
21:16.14 | TimRiker | ~nslookup www.zipitwireless.net |
21:16.45 | TimRiker | so the zipitwireless.net urls also work with zippyim.com if anyone cares. |
21:17.06 | file | how, nice |
21:17.44 | prpplague | TimRiker: still no source yet |
21:17.55 | prpplague | TimRiker: probably gonna stall till the last minute |
21:18.09 | TimRiker | nope. and afaik nobody but darren has gotten a promise of source. |
21:23.40 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmm, how hard do you think it will be to implement a fat fs in the bootloader? |
21:24.34 | CosmicPenguin | not hard at all |
21:27.21 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: recommend a url with some fat specs? |
21:29.46 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.systweak.com/fat32/fat2.htm |
21:29.54 | CosmicPenguin | thats a good summary |
21:30.29 | CosmicPenguin | But like I said before, the best teacher is the dosfstools code |
21:30.43 | prpplague | yea, already looking at that source |
21:30.48 | CosmicPenguin | Once you understand the organization of the tables, it all sort of falls into place |
21:31.09 | CosmicPenguin | Another good reference might be the syslinux code too |
21:31.35 | CosmicPenguin | Thats a bootloader that knows vfat, and it does it all in assembly to boot |
21:31.41 | CosmicPenguin | no pun intended |
21:32.09 | CosmicPenguin | In fact, my inital dosfstools work freaked out syslinux, so I got to know that code pretty well to determine the right thing to do |
21:34.13 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea i remember |
21:36.10 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'm wondering if i really need to even bother with doing a fat fs |
21:36.18 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i could just dd the files on their for now |
21:41.37 | CosmicPenguin | sure |
21:43.24 | prpplague | never really looked at the guts of fat |
21:43.45 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: be nice to have a detail description of implementing fatfs |
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21:49.37 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: its really very simple |
21:50.02 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, found a description |
21:50.23 | CosmicPenguin | You have your bootsector, that ponts to everything, and then you have your entries in the fat |
21:52.06 | file[laptop] | sounds fattening, do you have that in low fat? |
21:52.57 | CosmicPenguin | sure - i've got 8 bit fat, does that work for you? |
21:53.17 | file[laptop] | no ;( |
21:53.22 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i probably just need to work on dd'n the files first |
21:57.31 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmm, if i get my mmc driver working and i can read/write to it with no problem, implementing a fatfs shouldn't be difficult from what i read |
22:11.22 | CosmicPenguin | I don't think it will be painful at all |
22:11.35 | CosmicPenguin | In fact, the bootloader code will be not bad at all |
22:12.05 | CosmicPenguin | go to the bootsector, find the fat offset, jump to the fat, loop all fats, find the file name, jump to the offset and read |
22:13.03 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea |
22:13.08 | prpplague | thats what i gathered |
22:13.48 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: you don't have to worry about any formatting or positioning or anything, and thats nice |
22:14.09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, this doesn't look bad at all |
22:14.24 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i think i can probably test this with my jtag dongle and a mmc card |
22:14.45 | CosmicPenguin | When you get that done, port it to x86 and send it to my bios team |
22:15.00 | prpplague | hehe why? |
22:15.16 | CosmicPenguin | cause I need a loader, dammit! |
22:15.20 | prpplague | hehe |
22:15.38 | CosmicPenguin | If I could get rid of a standard x86 bootloader, I would be the happiest guy in the whole world |
22:15.45 | prpplague | hehe |
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22:58.55 | prpplague | later folks |
22:58.58 | prpplague | have a good weekend |
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23:30.33 | TimRiker | from zipit: "We are in the middle of releasing a new update to the product and website. One of the updates to the website will include a way for you to download the GPL and LGPL code." |
23:34.29 | CosmicPenguin | its a new thing - its called a URL |
23:34.45 | CosmicPenguin | Its hip, its today, its now |
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23:53.20 | jacques | I heard of this thing called FTP - apparently you don't even *need* a website for it to work!!! |
23:54.12 | CosmicPenguin | he's a witch! |
23:54.37 | jacques | aaah! don't burn me! |
23:55.19 | CosmicPenguin | Next thing you know, he'll be telling me to replace all my IPX networks with TCP/IP |