| 00:33.05 | Russ | keeping firing assholes! |
| 00:34.48 | sorphin | fishhead: enough of that 'canuck' yelling again. |
| 00:35.45 | sorphin | fishhead: or you'll get steel toe /kicked |
| 00:36.01 | kergoth | sorphin: he gets banned every few weeks, he's probably used to it by now |
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| 00:36.49 | sorphin | kergoth: i can see why |
| 00:37.41 | file | he's worse than me |
| 00:37.49 | kergoth | file: by far |
| 00:38.23 | sorphin | file: scary innit? |
| 00:38.27 | file | sorphin: indeed |
| 00:46.41 | file | what's y'all up to eh? |
| 00:56.11 | jacques | heh, he said "hammer" and "tool" |
| 01:08.37 | sorphin | jacques: there you are |
| 01:09.04 | jacques | sorphin: hey! what's up? |
| 01:12.21 | file | is busybox.net unavailable for anybody else? |
| 01:12.55 | file | ahhh there it goes |
| 01:12.58 | file | just took ... awhile |
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| 02:22.13 | file | in it's current condition, I could migrate my FreeBSD box over to busybox-freebsd I think |
| 02:23.43 | chouimat | wooohooo |
| 02:26.00 | file | chouimat: not totally :p |
| 02:26.08 | file | the user/group stuff is totally ... unusable |
| 02:26.31 | chouimat | file: look at the bsd function :) |
| 02:26.42 | file | chouimat: I'm getting there :p |
| 02:27.18 | file | been focusing on more essential stuff, like mount |
| 02:43.54 | chouimat | file: been focusing on recycling the beer bottle I have here |
| 02:44.10 | file | tee he he |
| 03:31.03 | chouimat|Zzzzzz | nigth |
| 03:31.55 | file | night |
| 05:36.35 | fishhead | any webpal users in the US here |
| 05:36.42 | fishhead | willing to flash my chip for me |
| 05:36.56 | fishhead | i'll give you a few free small lcd's for the work 16x1 character lcd's |
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| 12:48.20 | sorphin | mallum: mornin git |
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| 12:55.54 | mallum | sorphin: hello there squire |
| 13:16.06 | sorphin | mallum: had your tea yet? if not, better get crackin. |
| 13:18.16 | mallum | sorphin: only coffee so far today |
| 13:20.13 | sorphin | mallum: bah |
| 13:20.22 | sorphin | mallum: what would the queen say?? :P |
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| 14:28.05 | chouimat | morning |
| 14:29.20 | jnork | Hello chouimat. |
| 14:30.10 | jnork | How are things in Canada this morning? |
| 14:30.33 | jnork | Seems to be raining here in Philly. |
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| 14:58.47 | sorphin | marklwrk: mornin |
| 15:00.49 | marklwrk | whats new |
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| 15:08.03 | | ACTION beats the sh*t out of sjhill |
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| 15:39.50 | sorphin | TimRiker: mornin mr meetingflag |
| 15:46.20 | chouimat | morning TimRiker sorphin Russ |
| 15:49.02 | sorphin | chouimat: lo mat |
| 15:58.20 | chouimat | brb ... basement cleaning |
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| 17:14.08 | chouimat | hi kergoth |
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| 17:37.30 | sorphin | pattieja: yo |
| 17:37.33 | sorphin | GPSFan: allo |
| 17:46.12 | GPSFan | sorphin: hi |
| 17:46.27 | sorphin | GPSFan: here's prolly an easy Q for you |
| 17:46.34 | GPSFan | ;>) |
| 17:46.42 | sorphin | GPSFan: what's a good guesstimate to use for power factor? .7? |
| 17:47.03 | GPSFan | of what type of device? |
| 17:47.25 | sorphin | GPSFan: switched PSU type stuff (for ups va vs watts) |
| 17:48.24 | GPSFan | hmm, newer ones are reqd to have pf correction. older ones can be really bad. I'd measure it. |
| 17:48.59 | sorphin | GPSFan: that's a lot of measuring to do :( |
| 17:54.42 | GPSFan | sorphin: not really, these are ~$40 http://www.p3international.com/products/special/P4400/P4400-CE.html |
| 17:55.25 | sorphin | GPSFan: ahh.. one of those |
| 17:55.41 | sorphin | GPSFan: 1st one i've seen so cheap ;p |
| 17:55.51 | GPSFan | http://www.smarthome.com/9034.html |
| 17:56.28 | sorphin | GPSFan: :) |
| 17:58.27 | GPSFan | sorphin: a pII 333 system I have here is reading 35watts 50va .64 pf |
| 18:00.25 | sorphin | GPSFan: so you have that same thing you showed me? |
| 18:00.38 | GPSFan | yep, works great. |
| 18:01.39 | GPSFan | sorphin: tehy recommend using it on sine wave systems only (ie not modified sine wave inverters) |
| 18:03.32 | GPSFan | sorphin: only drawback is that you have to plug the device to be tested into it. Other more $$ units can "clamp on" so you don't have to power the thing down. |
| 18:05.36 | sorphin | GPSFan: yeah, well, cheap is my middle name (shaddup sjhill) |
| 18:07.34 | GPSFan | sorphin: so to finally answer your question, an older PII ATX powersupply with the system booted runs at about .64pf |
| 18:07.55 | sorphin | GPSFan: the kickers are gonna be all my sun gear |
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| 18:10.54 | GPSFan | sorphin: sun powersupplies are probably much better than that. my p4 2.3g system is .79 after it's booted. |
| 18:12.35 | sorphin | andersee: hola |
| 18:12.43 | sorphin | GPSFan: nod, we'll see |
| 18:15.25 | andersee | sorphin: morning |
| 18:16.26 | sorphin | andersee: hows things? |
| 18:16.53 | andersee | sorphin: ok I suppose |
| 18:16.59 | andersee | sorphin: still a bit sleepy |
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| 18:19.09 | sorphin | andersee: can relate |
| 18:22.13 | sorphin | jnork: how's things in the city of cheese steaks and brotherly love? |
| 18:22.33 | jnork | I dunno. I try to stay outside of the city. ;) |
| 18:22.46 | jnork | Cool and rainy. |
| 18:23.35 | sorphin | jnork: nod |
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| 20:25.43 | sorphin | fontenot: allo jacques |
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| 20:30.42 | sorphin | GPSFan: re |
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| 20:43.12 | sorphin | file: bit late, already infeted, am on levaquin atm. |
| 20:43.19 | sorphin | mallum_: shouldn't you be in bed b ynow? |
| 20:43.55 | kergoth | yo sorphin |
| 20:44.46 | mallum_ | sorphin: no, its 24 time now :-))))))) |
| 20:45.13 | sorphin | mallum_: eh.. no thanks |
| 20:45.19 | sorphin | kergoth: yo chris |
| 20:46.29 | George- | that's the first time I've ever heard someone call him chris |
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| 20:46.57 | George- | "bastard" yes, "bad tempered sod" yes, but never "chris" :P |
| 20:48.50 | sorphin | George-: well, i'm not everyone else either |
| 20:49.05 | George- | sorphin: :D |
| 20:51.22 | sorphin | George-: and who, praytell are you anyways? :-P |
| 20:51.33 | George- | sorphin: just a random kid |
| 20:51.44 | George- | sorphin: is probably the best description for me |
| 20:52.25 | George- | I did a bit of random work on the Linux7k project (now known as PsiLinux) and a tiny little bit of work on some Zaurus stuff.. nothing special :) |
| 20:53.11 | sorphin | ah.. the Z stuff would explain knowing kergoth |
| 20:53.30 | George- | yes |
| 20:56.39 | sjhill | George-: welcome Mr. Wrong |
| 20:56.50 | George- | sjhill: oh HAHAHAHA :) |
| 20:56.56 | George- | I've NEVER heard that one before |
| 20:56.57 | George- | wahoo |
| 20:57.11 | sjhill | lol |
| 20:57.15 | sorphin | sjhill: you're still awake? :P |
| 20:57.19 | sjhill | it's oldee but a goodeee |
| 20:57.26 | sjhill | sorphin: barely |
| 20:57.29 | George- | sjhill: it's actually really crap :) |
| 20:57.31 | sjhill | did you buy your O2? |
| 20:57.35 | sjhill | heh |
| 20:57.54 | George- | I shall call you Mr Mound then |
| 20:57.54 | sorphin | sjhill: no, jusst the monitor for now.. |
| 20:57.58 | pattieja | hello sorphin |
| 20:58.06 | sorphin | sjhill: been looking up having it work w/ a sparc too |
| 20:58.15 | sorphin | pattieja: where's your office? |
| 20:59.04 | pattieja | sorphin: it is no more... |
| 20:59.06 | sjhill | sorphin: boy that's a beautiful screen |
| 20:59.13 | sorphin | pattieja: eh? |
| 20:59.20 | sorphin | sjhill: ;) |
| 20:59.48 | pattieja | sorphin: we've gone virtual |
| 21:00.07 | pattieja | working on Asterisk PBX settings right now, actually |
| 21:00.36 | sorphin | pattieja: um.. then why on from *.mcleodusa instead of sbc? |
| 21:00.51 | pattieja | sbc is at home |
| 21:01.02 | sorphin | pattieja: so i ask again :P |
| 21:01.05 | pattieja | mcleod is from grandma's |
| 21:01.09 | sorphin | pattieja: ah |
| 21:02.00 | sjhill | ah mcleod |
| 21:02.05 | sjhill | those were the days |
| 21:02.06 | sorphin | sjhill: apparently the monitor i'm getting is a true multisync, so it should talk to a sparc if the pinout meshes (mainly the composite sync) |
| 21:02.19 | sjhill | sweet |
| 21:02.20 | sorphin | sjhill: heh, we're across the highway from mcleod |
| 21:03.00 | file | pattieja: asterisk is nice |
| 21:03.01 | sjhill | they have buildings down there? |
| 21:03.10 | sorphin | sjhill: so, mr sgi |
| 21:03.11 | sjhill | ? |
| 21:03.17 | sorphin | sjhill: how bad is this teal gonna be graphics wise? |
| 21:03.29 | sjhill | no clue, honestly |
| 21:03.33 | sjhill | haven't looked much at the I2 |
| 21:03.38 | sjhill | i have mine, but have never booted it |
| 21:03.39 | sorphin | nod |
| 21:03.42 | sorphin | ah |
| 21:03.44 | sjhill | do you want a purple? |
| 21:03.49 | sjhill | i can get you one for $50-$70 |
| 21:04.00 | sorphin | sjhill: i'd wanna offload the teal 1st |
| 21:04.06 | sorphin | since that's bout what i paid for the teal |
| 21:04.43 | sorphin | paid like 40 |
| 21:05.11 | sjhill | not bad |
| 21:05.40 | sorphin | it mostly sits there off |
| 21:05.51 | sorphin | since w/o video, i couldn't really do much w/ it |
| 21:06.07 | sjhill | crap |
| 21:06.44 | sorphin | sjhill: it doesn't even fit in the rack, it sits next to it on top of my U30 |
| 21:06.52 | sorphin | which also doesn't fit ;p |
| 21:06.57 | sjhill | heh |
| 21:08.02 | sorphin | sjhill: i held off on that O2 for $ and because you said graphics wise the I2 might beat it |
| 21:21.45 | sjhill | sorry, i thought you were talking Indy, the I2 will definitely beat it |
| 21:23.46 | sjhill | home i go |
| 21:27.13 | jnork | IIRC the SPARC needs SOG |
| 21:27.49 | jnork | And I've been told definitively that you don't REALLY need graphics. |
| 21:28.52 | jnork | Multisync just means that it'll synch to different frequencies, AFAIK. |
| 21:29.47 | jnork | New Samsung monitors will work on SPARC. Dunno how far back that goes, but it seems like all their current line is Sun-compatible. |
| 21:35.56 | sorphin | jnork: um.. this monitor does SOG |
| 21:36.03 | sorphin | jnork: sparcs use composite sync |
| 21:36.05 | sorphin | not SOG |
| 21:36.08 | kergoth | mallum_: ping |
| 21:37.40 | mallum_ | kergoth: pang |
| 21:37.50 | sorphin | jnork: my U30 might be able to do SOG tho, since it's creator3d |
| 21:37.59 | chouimat | mallum_: seen yesterday 24? |
| 21:38.18 | mallum_ | chouimat: yeah just watched it |
| 21:38.26 | kergoth | mallum_: was just curious as to why libXau, libX11, and libXext fd.o builds dont link against libc.so.6 |
| 21:38.31 | jnork | Then I have it backwards, or something. I know SPARCs don't do normal sync. |
| 21:38.33 | kergoth | mallum_: despite their use of it.. |
| 21:38.40 | chouimat | mallum_: even more twisted than last week |
| 21:38.43 | kergoth | mallum_: i dont like relying on an -implicit- dependency like that |
| 21:39.03 | jnork | Good man. |
| 21:39.32 | mallum_ | kergoth: in OE ? |
| 21:39.40 | mallum_ | chouimat: yeah ;-) |
| 21:39.55 | kergoth | mallum_: yep |
| 21:40.03 | sorphin | jnork: right, to talk to a sun monitor, you take H and V and OR them together |
| 21:40.04 | kergoth | mallum_: did a arm-linux-readelf -d to check the deps |
| 21:40.08 | kergoth | mallum_: no libc.so.6 |
| 21:40.17 | sorphin | jnork: or if you're masichistic |
| 21:40.24 | sorphin | just tie them together and use a resistor |
| 21:40.27 | jnork | heh |
| 21:40.40 | jnork | I've got instructions somewhere on the Sun Rescue list. |
| 21:40.59 | jnork | But I've got two Sun-compatible monitors and no Sun monitors. |
| 21:41.00 | sorphin | jnork: well, allegedly this same monitor i'm getting |
| 21:41.15 | kergoth | mallum_: I'm working my way through all the fd.o x packages in OE, adding the missing ones, and fixing all their DEPENDS fields |
| 21:41.24 | sorphin | jnork: which is an SGI, it's the same as the Sun version, just diff model # |
| 21:41.34 | sorphin | nice sony trinitron |
| 21:41.35 | mallum_ | kergoth: rock :-) |
| 21:41.49 | mallum_ | kergoth: my arm native libX11 links to libc |
| 21:41.59 | jnork | Should work, then. |
| 21:42.10 | kergoth | mallum_: its annoying trying to figure out which header packages the extension libraries use, since they depend on libx11, which already gets those others built |
| 21:42.13 | kergoth | mallum_: hmm, odd. |
| 21:42.36 | sorphin | jnork: we shall see :) |
| 21:42.55 | kergoth | /opt/cross/lib/gcc-lib/arm-linux/3.3.2/../../../../arm-linux/bin/ld: warning: type and size of dynamic symbol `__start___libc_at |
| 21:42.58 | kergoth | exit' are not defined |
| 21:43.00 | kergoth | /opt/cross/lib/gcc-lib/arm-linux/3.3.2/../../../../arm-linux/bin/ld: warning: type and size of dynamic symbol `__stop___libc_ate |
| 21:43.03 | kergoth | xit' are not defined |
| 21:43.06 | kergoth | hmmm |
| 21:43.08 | kergoth | thats odd |
| 21:43.25 | kergoth | hmm, but xau doesnt get that error, and it doesnt have the dep either |
| 21:44.02 | mallum_ | kergoth: each extension has two sources, one just headers ( needed by server and clients ) and the other the client lib |
| 21:44.56 | kergoth | mallum_: what i mean is, e.g. xext uses xproto and xextensions both, but had i just had xextensions and x11 in its DEPENDS, it wouldve still built fine, since x11 depends on xproto. |
| 21:45.13 | kergoth | mallum_: but i dont like letting it be implicit like that, so i comb through the sources to figure out which header packages it depends on |
| 21:45.18 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:45.21 | kergoth | annoying |
| 21:46.37 | jnork | You think that's annoying. Try talking to my Mom. |
| 21:47.06 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:47.50 | mallum_ | kergoth: iirc xextentions is just headers irrc, Xext is the actual lib |
| 21:47.56 | kergoth | i know |
| 21:48.08 | kergoth | i'm referring to populating the build DEPENDS, not the runtime |
| 21:48.12 | kergoth | runtime is easy :) |
| 21:48.54 | mallum_ | kergoth: treke said he was gonna do all the libs btw |
| 21:49.02 | mallum_ | kergoth: I think you need to smack him around a bit |
| 21:49.02 | kergoth | well, i'm impatient |
| 21:49.07 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:49.24 | mallum_ | kergoth: have you done server too ? |
| 21:49.55 | kergoth | nah, treke said you were doing that |
| 21:50.46 | mallum_ | yeah I can do that |
| 21:51.56 | file | mm |
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| 21:52.11 | kergoth | prpplague: hey dave |
| 21:52.19 | prpplague | kergoth: hey dude |
| 21:52.24 | prpplague | kergoth: whats cookin at TI? |
| 21:52.32 | kergoth | keepin busy |
| 21:52.33 | kergoth | you? |
| 21:52.39 | sorphin | prpplague: afternoon davey |
| 21:52.41 | prpplague | kergoth: not really |
| 21:52.41 | mallum_ | kergoth: btw, are there any current OE plans for platform detection and setting various env vars ? |
| 21:52.49 | prpplague | kergoth: same old POS stuff |
| 21:52.55 | sorphin | prpplague: i'll be in TX around Feb 3rd and during that week |
| 21:52.59 | kergoth | mallum_: s/platform detection and setting various env vars/test functionality/ |
| 21:53.05 | kergoth | mallum_: no, i had no plans to do that |
| 21:53.26 | kergoth | mallum_: i sorta viewed that as outside its scope. if someone else wants to implement it.. |
| 21:53.26 | prpplague | kergoth: trying to get my rootfs up on busybox-1.00 pre4 and get rid of alot apps that busybox now has |
| 21:53.36 | prpplague | sorphin: oh? where bouts? |
| 21:53.45 | sorphin | prpplague: richardson |
| 21:53.54 | prpplague | sorphin: cool |
| 21:54.02 | mallum_ | kergoth: I only thinking it for setting tslib env vars which I can add in a wrapper script around the server |
| 21:54.11 | sorphin | prpplague: they're finally testing the new version of the app, and gotta do my admin training |
| 21:54.25 | kergoth | mallum_: hmm, the old OZ as produced by buildroot had something like that |
| 21:54.30 | kergoth | mallum_: was a set of shell scripts |
| 21:54.38 | sorphin | prpplague: so what kinda weather should i expect? |
| 21:54.53 | kergoth | mallum_: i was thinking about maybe moving 'device detection' into a small little modular c lib, which libopie could use, as well as a little test app for scripts |
| 21:54.59 | prpplague | sorphin: probably mid 40's and slightly windy |
| 21:55.03 | mallum_ | kergoth: yeah that would be cool |
| 21:55.53 | mallum_ | kergoth: maybe thats something I could hack out |
| 21:56.30 | kergoth | itd be pretty easy to throw together. could make it use plugins, so just drop in a new one and itll start picking up that device |
| 21:57.56 | mallum_ | yeah |
| 21:59.04 | sorphin | prpplague: wow, didn't know it got that cool :P |
| 21:59.10 | mallum_ | ipaq are pretty easy to detect , its the Z's Im not so sure about |
| 21:59.26 | kergoth | mallum_: thats easy, /proc/cpuinfo .. grab the machine name |
| 21:59.36 | kergoth | mallum_: since the Z is one kernel/machine type per board, you're done |
| 22:00.52 | mallum_ | yeah thats how I did it before |
| 22:01.02 | mallum_ | seemed like it could be unreliable though |
| 22:02.10 | kergoth | heh, if they're on the wrong kernel for their device they deserve whatever hell they run into |
| 22:02.15 | kergoth | other than that, should be fine |
| 22:02.17 | mallum_ | hehe |
| 22:04.37 | mallum_ | maybe its just a case of something that reads a config file which looks something like; |
| 22:04.46 | mallum_ | H3600: |
| 22:05.10 | mallum_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:05.37 | mallum_ | Z5500 |
| 22:05.53 | mallum_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:06.06 | mallum_ | etc |
| 22:06.12 | mallum_ | and a section for each machine to say what env vars should be set |
| 22:06.29 | kergoth | yeah could do something like that |
| 22:07.44 | mallum_ | would be pretty simple |
| 22:08.07 | mallum_ | you think thats enough ? |
| 22:09.16 | kergoth | well, i'd argue that env vars is overkill, and thta it should be a simple little library that parses that file and the function returns the machine we're on.. and a little app that returns it for use in scripts |
| 22:09.29 | kergoth | that way gpe/opie can interface with the function directly, bypassing environmental crap |
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| 22:17.17 | mallum_ | kergoth: yeah, I guess a problem with that is if OE adds a new supported device everything that uses that lib needs to be updated |
| 22:18.21 | kergoth | well thats a given, even if it identifies it correctly, you need to make use of the information |
| 22:19.53 | mallum_ | kergoth: but for something like tslib it would work well |
| 22:20.21 | kergoth | well the key is to have a sane default to fall back to for devices we dont know what to do with |
| 22:20.29 | kergoth | and thats true of anyone that uses it |
| 22:22.59 | mallum_ | kergoth: its only really envvars for tslib that Im thinking about, and maybe something for saying what the actual orientation of the fb is compared to the physical one |
| 22:23.26 | kergoth | yeah |
| 22:25.17 | kergoth | mallum_: know offhand why xrandr needs xext to build, but doesnt link against libXext? |
| 22:25.21 | mallum_ | you would still have lib and tiny app. |
| 22:25.53 | mallum_ | kergoth: hmm, not off hand |
| 22:27.29 | kergoth | i'd think if it needed xext headers itd require xextensions, not xext, or something |
| 22:27.33 | kergoth | odd |
| 22:27.35 | mallum_ | kergoth: whats probably happening is xext has some helper macros for xextensions |
| 22:27.49 | mallum_ | for writing xextensions |
| 22:27.58 | kergoth | ah |
| 22:28.02 | kergoth | thatd explain it then |
| 22:28.43 | mallum_ | there are alot of strange magical macros used in processing / dispatching client requests |
| 22:32.36 | kergoth | xext, xrender, xrandr done.. 9 more to go.. heh |
| 22:33.09 | prpplague | kergoth: the joys of x |
| 22:35.53 | kergoth | yeah. i'm looking forward to booting an OE produced Z image with fd.o X11 and matchbox, though |
| 22:38.32 | prpplague | kergoth: cool |
| 22:38.46 | mallum_ | kergoth: yeah will rock |
| 22:39.20 | mallum_ | kergoth: btw, the russian guy that built the 'other' Z X image, did he release any sources ? |
| 22:39.28 | kergoth | sash? not sure |
| 22:39.40 | kergoth | treke would probably know |
| 22:40.29 | prpplague | kergoth: i still run my old oz build of tinyx and mb on my z |
| 22:40.49 | prpplague | kergoth: never have gotten around to doing anything else with it |
| 22:41.01 | mallum_ | kergoth: its good to know the fb can now be rotated in hw on the c7x0's if a bit sketchy |
| 22:41.08 | kergoth | mallum_: yeah definately |
| 22:47.31 | mallum_ | kergoth: hopefully some kind sole will add gpe too |
| 22:47.42 | kergoth | mallum_: i added glib-2.0 and atk |
| 22:47.48 | kergoth | mallum_: once i get xft in i'll add pango |
| 22:47.59 | mallum_ | kergoth: but there are quite a few other nice X apps which work well on the c7x0's |
| 22:48.07 | mallum_ | kergoth: rock :-) |
| 22:48.26 | kergoth | thats why i ended up doing this |
| 22:48.42 | kergoth | i went glib-2.0 -> atk -> pango -> xft, and realized we had a ways to go on the X front yet |
| 22:48.45 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:49.28 | prpplague | kergoth: lol |
| 22:49.59 | kergoth | now ill work my way back up to xft, then finish pango and then add some more X apps |
| 22:50.07 | kergoth | aterm, matchbox, gpe, etc |
| 22:50.22 | mallum_ | kergoth: I gotta break matchbox up into seperate source packages |
| 22:50.24 | chouimat | hmmm too tired to sleep |
| 22:50.36 | kergoth | mallum_: it too monolithic now? |
| 22:50.40 | mallum_ | kergoth: use rxvt not aterm, aterm lacks xft support |
| 22:50.54 | prpplague | later folks |
| 22:50.55 | mallum_ | kergoth: yeah pretty much and the autogubbins stuff could do with a rewrite |
| 22:51.05 | chouimat | bye prpplague |
| 22:51.09 | kergoth | k |
| 22:51.25 | mallum_ | kergoth: and I have few nice plugins for the desktop now which make more sense withs tuff broken up |
| 22:51.33 | kergoth | ah |
| 22:51.41 | kergoth | i've noticed alot of packages should really be more granular in that way |
| 22:51.51 | mallum_ | kergoth: an xine pluggin which imho rocks, a picture browser etc |
| 22:52.01 | kergoth | heh, poor andersee running into debian build circular deps is a perfect example |
| 22:53.28 | mallum_ | yeah the matchbox ipks are now seperate |
| 22:53.35 | kergoth | cool |
| 22:53.36 | mallum_ | debs are not :/ |
| 22:53.44 | mallum_ | prh: HERE THAT ! |
| 22:53.50 | mallum_ | ;-) |
| 22:55.22 | mallum_ | kergoth: hmm, xml 'db' file for devdetect or over kill ? |
| 23:41.24 | kergoth | why the hell does libXcomposite link against xfixes but not use any of the xfixes or fixesxext headers? |
| 23:41.35 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:53.35 | pb_ | kergoth: it uses Xfixes.h |
| 23:54.19 | kergoth | heh, so it does |
| 23:55.00 | pb_ | not that using a header necessarily means you have to link with the library, but it probably doesn't hurt to do so either. |
| 23:58.35 | kergoth | right, i just found a bug in my script that picks up the X11 includes, because it *was* linked to a lib that i didnt think it needed :) |
| 23:58.39 | kergoth | so, the other way around |
| 23:58.39 | kergoth | heh |