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| 00:41.45 | CosmicPenguin | Greetings and salutations |
| 00:41.53 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: lo |
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| 01:49.57 | GPSFan | hey CosmicPenguin: you in Sil valley? |
| 01:50.26 | CosmicPenguin | GPSFan: Denver |
| 01:50.42 | CosmicPenguin | Boulder actually |
| 01:51.03 | GPSFan | CosmicPenguin: oh, thought you were goint to takl to AMD, in Boulder? |
| 01:51.18 | CosmicPenguin | GPSFan: thats right |
| 01:51.38 | CosmicPenguin | GPSFan: AMD bought the IA division of National Semiconductor a few months back |
| 01:51.47 | GPSFan | CosmicPenguin: cool, that's better than sil valley, Geode... |
| 02:05.51 | CosmicPenguin | Is it wrong if I think the Redmond XP theme for FVWM is really really nice? |
| 02:06.28 | CosmicPenguin | Oh, well, time to go visit friends |
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| 02:26.12 | chouimat | grrrrrr |
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| 03:04.48 | chouimat | night |
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| 04:26.19 | sorphin | TomW: yo |
| 04:26.28 | TomW | :P |
| 04:26.31 | TomW | what? |
| 04:26.33 | sorphin | he |
| 04:26.34 | sorphin | heh |
| 04:26.40 | sorphin | TomW: nice to see you too :P |
| 04:26.44 | TomW | heh |
| 04:27.04 | TomW | ok, I couldn't sleep, so I thought that I would write some code. |
| 04:27.08 | sorphin | TomW: did't measure the current, but the resistance on the illumination wire |
| 04:27.13 | sorphin | is 687.K |
| 04:27.14 | sorphin | erm |
| 04:27.17 | sorphin | 68.7K |
| 04:27.35 | sorphin | that's on the back of the radio to gnd |
| 04:27.53 | TomW | yeah, that is prolly a pullup. If the value measures out both ways (switching the ohmmeter leads). |
| 04:28.27 | TomW | sorphin: I'm going to be in Alabama next week, maybe I should drop by your place and fix this thing for you? |
| 04:28.34 | sorphin | yeah, it was 68.7k regardless of which way |
| 04:28.35 | sorphin | umm |
| 04:28.38 | sorphin | i'm not in alabama |
| 04:28.43 | sorphin | so that wouldn't help me any :P |
| 04:28.45 | TomW | sorphin: close enough |
| 04:29.04 | sorphin | TomW: bama isn't any closer to me than PA is :P |
| 04:29.14 | TomW | sorphin: I'm trying to get a customer to pay me to visit East Texas while I am away. |
| 04:29.32 | sorphin | TomW: then you could hang out w/ prpplague et al :P |
| 04:30.58 | TomW | sorphin: naw, I'm not sure that that would be a good idea... I don't drink. |
| 04:31.38 | sorphin | TomW: then he would just set you up w/ some east TX woman |
| 04:31.49 | sorphin | big hair, trailer and all |
| 04:33.01 | TomW | ok, you are in MO, for some reason I thought that you were in MI |
| 04:33.11 | sorphin | nope |
| 04:33.15 | sorphin | heh |
| 04:33.23 | sorphin | according to this then |
| 04:33.43 | sorphin | that illumination wire MAX draws .00021A |
| 04:33.44 | sorphin | :P |
| 04:34.56 | sorphin | TomW: heh, if you came here you'd just wanna play w/ the scope :P |
| 04:34.58 | TomW | un huh, thought so, so you can use a 10ufd cap + 1k resistor with no problem, but remember to use that diode as I showed you or it will act as a filter to the dashlight pwm. The diode keeps that from happening. |
| 04:35.16 | sorphin | 1n4001 ok too? |
| 04:35.20 | sorphin | don't have any 4004s |
| 04:35.28 | sorphin | and i shouldn't be over 35V :P |
| 04:35.35 | TomW | yeah, IIRC, that is a 50volt device? |
| 04:35.43 | sorphin | yeah 35/50 |
| 04:36.03 | sorphin | ok, so that probs solved |
| 04:36.13 | sorphin | still need to sort out the nav voice trigger |
| 04:37.12 | TomW | thing is that there have been transient voltage spikes measured within an automotive "12 volt" system that can reach upwards of 70volts. this is due to relays opening & closing and localized power surges as stuff activates (injectors, etc.). |
| 04:37.17 | sorphin | i *think* from what i read, the mute wire triggers on +12 (vs being gnd'd), just need a transistor sensitive enough to trigger on the nav voice talking, but that won't steal too much of the signal |
| 04:37.37 | sorphin | TomW: yeah |
| 04:37.47 | sorphin | TomW: tho this car is a bit diff as i've found |
| 04:37.53 | sorphin | it has busses all over :P |
| 04:38.11 | TomW | sorphin: that nav voice you will have to measure with a scope to see what it's charatoristics are: e.g. output voltage waveform level. |
| 04:38.16 | sorphin | the engine stuff runs on it's own bus |
| 04:38.23 | TomW | nod |
| 04:38.29 | sorphin | stereo stuff, etc on it's own |
| 04:38.33 | sorphin | kinda neat actually |
| 04:38.38 | sorphin | and yeah |
| 04:38.45 | sorphin | too bad the weekend's over |
| 04:38.50 | sorphin | and prolly no more weather like today |
| 04:38.59 | sorphin | cuz i don't wanna drag the scope out in the cold :P |
| 04:39.05 | TomW | sorphin: the automobiles are starting to get as high-tech as an aircraft anymore. |
| 04:39.09 | sorphin | today was 60s atleast |
| 04:39.19 | sorphin | TomW: heh, 99% of my car is hooked to the ECU |
| 04:39.20 | sorphin | :P |
| 04:39.36 | sorphin | locks, windows |
| 04:39.42 | sorphin | the throttle isn't even a cable |
| 04:39.43 | sorphin | :P |
| 04:39.46 | sorphin | it's drive by wire |
| 04:40.00 | fontenot | arg |
| 04:40.01 | sorphin | gauges are all electrical |
| 04:40.20 | sorphin | fontenot: prob jacques? |
| 04:40.33 | fontenot | i just dont trust DBW |
| 04:40.47 | sorphin | fontenot: i'll admit it's annoying sometimes |
| 04:41.06 | sorphin | but i had the damn cable on the other car (civic) |
| 04:41.08 | sorphin | come loose |
| 04:41.17 | sorphin | i'm driving and suddenly.. i have no accelerator |
| 04:41.18 | sorphin | :P |
| 04:41.27 | sorphin | pulled over and popped it back into place |
| 04:41.29 | fontenot | wow that's not good |
| 04:41.35 | sorphin | indeed |
| 04:41.48 | fontenot | but at least it was a simple system which you could repair at the side of the road |
| 04:42.00 | sorphin | fontenot: know where the kill switch is on your miata? ;) |
| 04:42.35 | fontenot | no, not sure what you're referring to |
| 04:42.45 | sorphin | fontenot: what year is yours again? |
| 04:42.49 | fontenot | 96 |
| 04:42.52 | sorphin | hmm |
| 04:42.55 | TomW | fontenot: the fuel pump kill switch |
| 04:42.58 | sorphin | yup |
| 04:43.07 | sorphin | it's on/by the rear deck |
| 04:43.09 | fontenot | i didn't think it had one stock |
| 04:43.11 | TomW | fontenot: it is to shutdown the fuel system in the case of a collision. |
| 04:43.12 | sorphin | yes |
| 04:43.13 | sorphin | it does |
| 04:43.25 | fontenot | oh you mean it's automatic? |
| 04:43.32 | sorphin | i didn't know about it till my friend ed told me bout it |
| 04:43.36 | sorphin | TomW: there's a manual one too |
| 04:43.43 | fontenot | really? i wanna know |
| 04:43.49 | sorphin | fontenot: look around on your rear deck |
| 04:43.53 | sorphin | around that area |
| 04:43.54 | fontenot | is it under the carpet on the rear deck? |
| 04:43.58 | sorphin | i think so |
| 04:44.13 | fontenot | hmm I should check my service manual - but I kinda lost it :-( |
| 04:44.13 | sorphin | he used to use it to stop his sister from running off w/ his car :P |
| 04:44.20 | fontenot | yeah sounds useful |
| 04:44.21 | TomW | sorphin: I found that my Escort GT had one one night, I hit a really nasty hole in the road and the car shutdown. A PA State Trooper reset it for me. |
| 04:44.23 | sorphin | she'd start going, then the car dies ;) |
| 04:44.28 | fontenot | i was actually thinking about installing one |
| 04:44.35 | sorphin | fontenot: he had a 92 |
| 04:44.40 | sorphin | should still be one in a 96 |
| 04:44.54 | fontenot | I'll check it out :-) |
| 04:44.59 | sorphin | :) |
| 04:45.09 | sorphin | TomW: yeah, the earlier new mini had a reset switch |
| 04:45.15 | sorphin | to kick out of accident mode |
| 04:45.20 | sorphin | apparently they removed it :P |
| 04:45.22 | TomW | sorphin: you're just outside St Louis, right? |
| 04:45.31 | sorphin | TomW: yeah, just NW |
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| 04:45.46 | TomW | yeah, I got you on the map |
| 04:45.49 | sorphin | TimRiker: evening mr flag |
| 04:46.03 | sorphin | TomW: heh, oddly enough |
| 04:46.09 | sorphin | Oxford has us on the map too |
| 04:46.09 | TomW | sorphin: maybe I'll go home that way and stop by for a Pepsi or something. |
| 04:46.24 | sorphin | the oxford atlas has Florissant |
| 04:46.29 | sorphin | was the strangest thing i'd seen |
| 04:46.36 | sorphin | of all the places to put on the map |
| 04:46.41 | TimRiker | [ij]bot been behaving? |
| 04:46.48 | sorphin | TimRiker: yup |
| 04:46.57 | sorphin | ibot: prudence? |
| 04:46.58 | | sorphin: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 04:47.01 | TomW | sorphin: a friend of mine lives in Gouveneur (Governor) New York. |
| 04:47.06 | TimRiker | they are now the same process. |
| 04:47.28 | TimRiker | ~dict prudence |
| 04:47.33 | sorphin | TimRiker: so when is there a jbot? |
| 04:47.38 | sorphin | uh oh |
| 04:48.01 | TimRiker | hmm that is not good. |
| 04:48.34 | TomW | sorphin: later, I've got some coding to do.. |
| 04:48.44 | sorphin | TomW`work: k gramps |
| 04:48.50 | sorphin | TomW`work: lemme know if you end up this way |
| 04:49.06 | TimRiker | hmm that didn't work either... |
| 04:49.10 | TimRiker | bbiab |
| 04:49.14 | sorphin | nod |
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| 04:59.17 | sorphin | TimRiker: re timmy |
| 05:01.44 | TimRiker | ~reload |
| 05:01.44 | | reloading... |
| 05:01.44 | | reloaded: |
| 05:01.56 | sorphin | ibot: the matrix has you |
| 05:01.58 | | sorphin: no idea |
| 05:01.58 | TimRiker | ~dict foobar |
| 05:02.33 | TimRiker | ~status |
| 05:02.34 | | Since Sat Nov 15 05:27:26 2003, there have been 30 modifications, 81 questions, 36 dunnos, 0 morons and 70 commands. I have been awake for 1d 23h 35m 7s this session, and currently reference 85645 factoids. I'm using about 14860 kB of memory. With 1 active fork. Process time user/system 1368.1/149.58 child 226.51/13.44 |
| 05:02.43 | sorphin | heh |
| 05:02.45 | sorphin | 0 morons |
| 05:03.49 | TimRiker | ibot what the heck it a moron and how can I become one? perhaps if I type a long enough line of text that you do not undertand you should call me a moron. Let's see if this one works. |
| 05:03.51 | | You are moron #1, TimRiker |
| 05:03.55 | sorphin | ROTFL |
| 05:04.04 | TomW`work | sorphin: thought we saw more than 0 morons show up in the past two days? |
| 05:04.07 | sorphin | only ibot would dare call timmy a moron :P |
| 05:04.30 | sorphin | TomW`work: oh, you mean when you would appear? ;) |
| 05:04.49 | TomW`work | sorphin: well, I haven't been on for two days now... |
| 05:05.01 | sorphin | TomW`work: exactly ;) |
| 05:05.36 | sorphin | ibot: what the heck do you think you are talking about you are just a stupid bot stupid bots don't know what a moron is muchless anything else that matters. |
| 05:05.38 | | sorphin: I think you lost me on that one |
| 05:06.03 | sorphin | ~bitchslap self |
| 05:06.06 | | ACTION beats the sh*t out of self |
| 05:06.17 | TomW`work | ~bitchslap ibot |
| 05:06.19 | | ACTION beats the sh*t out of ibot |
| 05:06.25 | TomW`work | heh |
| 05:06.31 | sorphin | ~whaleslap TomW`work |
| 05:06.34 | | ACTION slaps TomW`work upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 05:06.39 | TomW`work | now THAT'S a moron |
| 05:07.45 | TomW`work | ibot: you are an intellectually-challanged, self-pleasuring individual |
| 05:07.47 | | TomW`work: what are you talking about? |
| 05:08.25 | TomW`work | sorphin: you cannot insult a moron |
| 05:08.54 | sorphin | ibot rjieajoroebntfgnweothfowenrfoeqwjordnhqobownfb ewofnmo'sanofeaornfoweboifnoqebrfbeotjnoebtoaenhotbaeojnfgebdasodfnasobroebnagij bweoitbeart |
| 05:08.56 | | sorphin: You are moron #2 |
| 05:08.56 | sorphin | :P |
| 05:08.59 | sorphin | woohoo |
| 05:09.32 | TomW`work | let's see, this component is supposed to do RS232 serial communications from either Delphi 7 (Windoze) or Kylix 3 (linux). The kylix component won't install, wonder if the windoze one will? |
| 05:10.07 | sorphin | ibot: call the men in the white coats, TomW`work is smoking crack again. |
| 05:10.09 | | I think you lost me on that one, sorphin |
| 05:10.21 | TomW`work | yeah |
| 05:10.39 | TomW`work | it is their "Lite" version. If it works, I'll purchase it. |
| 05:15.22 | sorphin | from anywho.com |
| 05:15.27 | TomW`work | typical win2k crap, I have 3 shares mounted on the "HOOEY" workgroup off the "workstation" machine. Do you think that win2k can browse the HOOEY workgroup? It says that the workgroup is not accessable. |
| 05:15.29 | sorphin | looking me up and refering to my website |
| 05:15.36 | sorphin | TomW`work: wasn't YOU was it? :P |
| 05:15.57 | TomW`work | naw, I used QRZ |
| 05:16.32 | TomW`work | sorphin: I didn't go near your website though |
| 05:17.01 | sorphin | someone from 205.158.98.247.ptr.us.xo.net |
| 05:17.24 | TomW`work | ping TomW |
| 05:17.58 | sorphin | references to Mardel Ave |
| 05:17.58 | TomW`work | I'm 24.238.72.225 |
| 05:17.58 | sorphin | and my name |
| 05:17.58 | sorphin | etc |
| 05:18.07 | sorphin | TomW`work: yeah, i know, but that doesn't mean you wouldn't have access to other networks :P |
| 05:18.17 | TomW`work | true. |
| 05:18.25 | TomW`work | in fact, I have several. |
| 05:27.00 | sorphin | well, i *had* another, but appears the firewalls now block IRC |
| 05:27.13 | sorphin | i gotta get outta MCI, i don't care if they are putting me in for promotion now :P |
| 05:28.29 | TomW`work | heh, the "cost" is too high, eh? |
| 05:30.20 | sorphin | TomW`work: something like taht |
| 05:30.54 | sorphin | and i severely doubt the raise is gonna be worth a shit to be honest |
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| 05:34.26 | TomW`work | yeah, remember, 7..9% raise means you saved them a lot of money over the past year, not that you worked your butt off getting stuff out the door... |
| 05:35.04 | TomW`work | 2..4% means you showed up every day and did your job. |
| 05:35.21 | TomW`work | 5..7% means you put forth a valiant effort.. |
| 05:36.00 | TomW`work | anything over 9% is simply impossible unless you are on the board of directors, or a vice-president. |
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| 15:13.28 | prpplague | morning all |
| 15:13.51 | GPSFan_ | howdy |
| 15:18.16 | prpplague | any c programmers interested in reviewing a small app? |
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| 15:24.03 | prpplague | TimRiker: morning |
| 15:36.30 | sorphin | prpplague: what kinda apps? |
| 15:36.40 | prpplague | sorphin: just simple c stuff |
| 15:37.05 | prpplague | sorphin: seeing i'm the only one here that does c, just looking for some peer review to help me improve |
| 15:38.03 | sorphin | prpplague: the only one abcs that does C ? scary (thatno one else does) |
| 15:38.10 | sorphin | prpplague: i'll take a looksie if you want |
| 15:38.21 | prpplague | sorphin: ok thanks |
| 15:38.45 | prpplague | sorphin: all of the "programmers" are actually accountants |
| 15:38.58 | prpplague | sorphin: they have a proprietary accounting language we use |
| 15:39.24 | sorphin | prpplague: cute |
| 15:40.35 | sorphin | prpplague: so what the heck does sieve do then? |
| 15:41.00 | prpplague | sorphin: he's the security/network whore |
| 15:41.06 | sorphin | ah |
| 15:41.16 | sorphin | network must be really insecure ;) |
| 15:41.48 | sorphin | glancing through code now |
| 15:44.43 | sorphin | prpplague: normally piping output to printing device? |
| 15:44.57 | prpplague | sorphin: yea, or to another file |
| 15:45.12 | sorphin | k |
| 15:45.45 | prpplague | sorphin: if you want, just add your caustic remarks as comments, and send the file back to me :) |
| 15:46.31 | sorphin | prpplague: well, so far the only thing that catches my eye is your use of argv[1][1], still scanning tho |
| 15:47.33 | sorphin | prpplague: course, if you want a really critical analysis, have old timmy look at it ;) |
| 15:49.55 | prpplague | sorphin: true, but i don't want tim knowing how untrained my programming skills are! |
| 15:49.59 | prpplague | TimRiker: ;) |
| 15:50.13 | sorphin | prpplague: compared to timmy, all of us are untrained :P |
| 15:50.40 | prpplague | sorphin: i get the job done, but, i've never really had anyone to review my code |
| 15:50.49 | sorphin | prpplague: ditto |
| 15:51.26 | prpplague | sorphin: i just sumitted a plan this morning to have all of our projects reviewed by atleast 2 outside programmers |
| 15:51.43 | sorphin | prpplague: well, other than that thing i mentioned, and some personal formatting issues, looks fine to me |
| 15:52.07 | sorphin | for converting xpm to whatever the hell ras2 is ;) |
| 15:52.25 | prpplague | sorphin: just a raster image |
| 15:52.47 | prpplague | sorphin: almost all cashslip printers support this graphic printing mode |
| 15:53.03 | sorphin | nod |
| 15:53.15 | prpplague | sorphin: mainly used for printing logo and signatures |
| 15:53.21 | sorphin | right |
| 15:54.32 | sorphin | prpplague: look to be bout where i am or such |
| 15:55.14 | prpplague | sorphin: would you have used getopt instead? |
| 15:55.56 | sorphin | prpplague: well.. you could, either way works obviously, getopt is used moreso tho |
| 15:56.34 | prpplague | sorphin: yea, i was just thinking since i didn't have that many args |
| 15:56.55 | sorphin | prpplague: yeah |
| 15:57.21 | sorphin | sometimes it ends up just being personal style/preference, depending on how much you have |
| 16:14.04 | sjhill | i love working at home |
| 16:14.06 | sjhill | oh, hello everyone |
| 16:14.50 | prpplague | sjhill: morning |
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| 16:15.41 | prpplague | sjhill: interested in shredding a 200 line c app for me? |
| 16:16.11 | sjhill | prpplague: if i wasn't buried debugging cache bugs, yes |
| 16:17.04 | prpplague | sjhill: np, work first :) |
| 16:19.11 | sorphin | prpplague: 1st thing sjhill would complain about is that it's not in MIPSese ;) |
| 16:19.18 | sorphin | mallum_: morning gov |
| 16:19.22 | mallum_ | sorphin: heya |
| 16:20.02 | sorphin | mallum_: hows tricks? |
| 16:20.42 | mallum_ | sorphin: bugfixing |
| 16:21.55 | sorphin | mallum_: indeed, speaking of bugs, i saw on tv that it looks like dubya is invading the commonwealth |
| 16:23.40 | mallum_ | sorphin: oh yeah, there is a lot of crap going on here about there |
| 16:23.44 | mallum_ | sorphin: lots of demo's |
| 16:24.07 | mallum_ | sorphin: he wanted to shut down the tube network, give diplomatic immunity to all his secret service guys etc |
| 16:24.27 | mallum_ | sorphin: I think blair is the only englishman that likes bush |
| 16:24.33 | sorphin | mallum_: ROTFL |
| 16:24.38 | sorphin | shut down the tube? |
| 16:24.39 | sorphin | he's mad |
| 16:24.45 | mallum_ | yeah its crazy |
| 16:24.50 | sorphin | he has no idea how many people he'd piss off doing that |
| 16:25.28 | mallum_ | hes staying with queeniw |
| 16:25.30 | mallum_ | queenie |
| 16:25.39 | mallum_ | she'll probably give him a earfull hopefully |
| 16:25.43 | sorphin | mallum_: that's... scary |
| 16:25.52 | sorphin | mallum_: heh, one can only hope |
| 16:26.00 | sorphin | mallum_: tho she's prolly having tea w/ him :P |
| 16:28.29 | mallum_ | sorphin: even the London mayor is demonstrating |
| 16:28.56 | sorphin | heh |
| 16:29.10 | sorphin | hasn't this idiot been to the uk before? eesh |
| 16:29.24 | sorphin | dunno why he's going now, not like he's gonna get reelected |
| 16:29.27 | mallum_ | I dont think he'd ever left the states before becoming president |
| 16:29.44 | sorphin | heh, i wish he would leave |
| 16:29.46 | sorphin | permanently |
| 16:30.25 | mallum_ | hehe |
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| 17:14.34 | sorphin | ade|desk: lo old chap |
| 17:17.33 | ade|desk | lo lad :) |
| 17:18.43 | sorphin | ade|desk: not off genuflecting to the queen and dubya? ;) |
| 17:26.24 | ade|desk | bbl need to travel home, will be bacl online soon, then can chat a bit ok :) |
| 17:27.27 | sorphin | nod |
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| 17:37.21 | chouimat | hi |
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| 18:16.47 | ade|desk | lo sorphin |
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| 18:42.23 | sorphin | ade|desk: re git |
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| 19:53.14 | sorphin | ~bitchslap sjhill |
| 19:53.18 | | ACTION beats the sh*t out of sjhill |
| 20:06.59 | ade|desk | harsh ! |
| 20:07.29 | sorphin | ade|desk: nah, that MIPSwhore gets what he deserves |
| 20:07.39 | sorphin | ade|desk: his wife does much worse i'm told |
| 20:09.06 | chouimat | ~bitchslap sorphin just for fun |
| 20:09.09 | | ACTION beats the sh*t out of sorphin just for fun |
| 20:13.34 | ade|desk | now thats fair :) |
| 20:16.07 | sorphin | chouimat: go worship celine or something |
| 20:16.28 | ade|desk | lol |
| 20:17.21 | chouimat | sorphin: I was sick this weeked |
| 20:17.54 | sorphin | chouimat: then don't bitchslap me |
| 20:18.16 | chouimat | sorphin: hehe |
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| 22:01.34 | sorphin | heh |
| 22:01.40 | sorphin | Utah cities to provide HS net access |
| 22:03.10 | levi | I'll believe it when I can plug into it and get a link light. |
| 22:05.35 | sorphin | levi: oh, it says certain irc'ers won't get it ;p |
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| 23:33.41 | CosmicPenguin | afternoon folks |
| 23:33.56 | CosmicPenguin | fvwm is nice, but its a configuration hell |
| 23:39.57 | levi | How is it nice? |
| 23:49.14 | CosmicPenguin | more power... uh ugh ug |
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