| 00:17.58 | CosmicPenguin | Now, IF I could just figure out how to turn off AA for certain sizes, I would be set |
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| 01:12.36 | ShadowRage | what're some other embedded progs? |
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| 02:45.00 | ShadowRage | what're some other embedded progs? |
| 02:45.16 | ShadowRage | what's a site that lists miniturized apps? |
| 02:45.24 | ShadowRage | minaturized* |
| 02:45.57 | TomW | miniturized as in what? |
| 02:47.05 | TomW | ShadowRage: what is it that you are trying to do? |
| 02:47.23 | ShadowRage | making a mini-linux distribution |
| 02:47.54 | ShadowRage | so that it can fit on a floppy and possibly be used in handhelds as well |
| 02:48.19 | ShadowRage | and utilize less than 4 megs of ram |
| 02:48.33 | ShadowRage | hell, less than 2 would be great |
| 02:48.52 | TomW | maybe you could look at HandHelds.org then. |
| 02:49.09 | ShadowRage | k |
| 02:50.57 | TomW | ShadowRage: then take a look at: http://research.compaq.com/wrl/projects/itsy/ |
| 02:51.04 | rcludw | I was able to get a kernel and other programs to fit on a floppy earlier this year.... |
| 02:51.18 | ShadowRage | rcludw: sweet |
| 02:51.59 | rcludw | I had to build it myself but I know it was possible.... |
| 02:53.33 | ShadowRage | rcludw: funny how some moron in #slackware was telling me it wasnt possible at all |
| 02:53.50 | ShadowRage | and when I pointed out the floppy distros, he said those dont run kernels |
| 02:54.02 | ShadowRage | he's only been using linux for 4 months |
| 02:54.12 | rcludw | It's funny how I took the slackware kernel and made it fit on a floppy. |
| 02:54.13 | ShadowRage | he said the kernel averages at 5 mb |
| 02:54.15 | rcludw | ;) |
| 02:54.16 | ShadowRage | XD! |
| 02:54.28 | ShadowRage | maybe on redhat |
| 02:54.40 | ShadowRage | my custom kernel is 600-800k on my current running system |
| 02:54.57 | rcludw | I really had to trim down the config file to something real small. |
| 02:55.25 | ShadowRage | I test compiled some apps using diet libc (not using it officially, too buggy and most apps dont compile with it that well) and so far I'm using under 100k |
| 02:55.32 | ShadowRage | yeah |
| 02:55.39 | ShadowRage | 2.4 or a 2.2? |
| 02:55.46 | ShadowRage | I need something that uses less than 4 megs of ram |
| 02:55.48 | rcludw | 2.4 kernel. |
| 02:56.00 | rcludw | I don't know if it used less than 4 megs of ram total, though. |
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| 02:56.45 | rcludw | It had a 400k kernel, glibc, busybox, and my target program. |
| 02:57.07 | rcludw | Maybe the kernel was 600k... or so... |
| 02:57.56 | rcludw | Anyway... the point was the target system had to run off a floppy because the cdrom drive may not be available to the end user. |
| 02:57.59 | chouimat | ? |
| 02:59.13 | ShadowRage | yeah |
| 02:59.24 | ShadowRage | going to use uclibc |
| 02:59.30 | ShadowRage | and strip all the binaries |
| 02:59.59 | ShadowRage | and for stuff that boots the system, twsinit, fgetty, etc |
| 03:00.19 | ShadowRage | assembly kicks ass when having to deal with space and ram issues |
| 03:00.48 | rcludw | So, I wrote a windows batch script to format the floppy, put the kernel on, the bootblock, the initial ram disk .... and voila'. |
| 03:01.06 | TomW`busy | chouimat: I'm stuck coding more 8051 crap.. :( |
| 03:01.46 | rcludw | I put my target program in the initrd, so I didn't need to compile the fat driver. ;) |
| 03:01.50 | chouimat | TomW`busy: currently need to build a multitrack recording worksattion |
| 03:02.20 | ShadowRage | rcludw: I forget, what is the initrd? |
| 03:02.39 | TomW`busy | chouimat: maybe when I get this stuff out of the way I can get back to the webpal again. |
| 03:02.53 | rcludw | Initial ram disk.... sometimes loaded by the bootloader at the same time the kernel is loaded. |
| 03:03.00 | ShadowRage | ah |
| 03:03.26 | ShadowRage | thing is, for low mem systems, you dont want an extra ram disk |
| 03:03.46 | ShadowRage | the small linux kernel is good for low ram, but too old and lacks too much function for my tastes |
| 03:04.43 | rcludw | In my case, since I ran only out of the initial ram disk, it wasn't really a problem for me anyway... |
| 03:05.26 | rcludw | But, the kernel does free the initrd I believe once it's done with it. Useful for loading extra modules at boot time. |
| 03:06.41 | CosmicPenguin | TomW`busy: webpal... whats that? :) |
| 03:06.53 | CosmicPenguin | TomW`busy: mine still sits where it first was placed and plugged in, the night i got it |
| 03:07.20 | ShadowRage | rcludw: if you're interested, my project is acidlinux |
| 03:07.29 | ShadowRage | rcludw: irc.acidchat.net #acidlinux |
| 03:08.11 | ShadowRage | or main.acidchat.net #acidlinux if irc gives you issues (one of the servers are down on ther ound robin, and we really cant fix it atm) |
| 03:08.19 | ShadowRage | the round* |
| 03:08.24 | TomW | yeah, I sent the customer a partial draft of the doc for the embedded system he wanted the quote on and asked him if "am I going in the right direction here?" |
| 03:09.16 | rcludw | Thanks, ShadowRage. |
| 03:09.24 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: I really really wanted to get linux running on the webpal, booting from the CF, with Apache, etc. running so I could show him a working concept, but... |
| 03:09.52 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: oh well. |
| 03:09.56 | CosmicPenguin | TomW: I hear ya |
| 03:10.09 | CosmicPenguin | TomW`busy: I feel the same about my tuxscreen |
| 03:10.21 | ShadowRage | I want a tuxscreen |
| 03:10.22 | ShadowRage | :/ |
| 03:10.39 | rcludw | I know someone who has one, ShadowRage |
| 03:10.39 | ShadowRage | too bad they made them in limited quantities |
| 03:10.55 | ShadowRage | why was that anyways? |
| 03:13.54 | CosmicPenguin | brb |
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| 03:14.23 | ShadowRage | g2g |
| 03:14.24 | ShadowRage | later |
| 03:14.30 | ShadowRage | it appears my main server died as well |
| 03:14.31 | LIM2 | ahso |
| 03:14.35 | ShadowRage | nl.acidchat.net |
| 03:14.37 | TomW`busy | ShadowRage: http://tuxscreen.net/wiki/view/SomeHistory |
| 03:16.46 | ShadowRage | g2g |
| 03:19.35 | chouimat | TomW`busy: have fun ... I going to sleep |
| 03:20.30 | rcludw | Any kernel devs around? I'm having trouble with a serial pcmcia card. |
| 03:21.35 | chouimat | rcludw: try on working hours in north america |
| 03:22.11 | rcludw | That would be nice, if I wasn't working.... |
| 03:22.42 | LIM2 | you are still at work? |
| 03:22.54 | rcludw | Only during working hours. |
| 03:23.12 | LIM2 | you think you are funny, don'tcha |
| 03:23.28 | rcludw | No.... not in the least. |
| 03:24.20 | rcludw | Thanks chouimat. ;) |
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| 13:39.49 | chouimat | morning |
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| 13:58.47 | chouimat | hi prpplague |
| 13:59.01 | prpplague | chouimat: lo |
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| 14:07.07 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ho ho ho |
| 14:07.33 | CosmicPenguin | hello |
| 14:07.56 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: linksys/cisco-"someone send us up the GPL" FSF-"hello gentlemen, all your code are belong to us" |
| 14:07.57 | CosmicPenguin | It may not last - I've having trouble focusing between one and the other |
| 14:09.03 | chouimat | http://unix.rulez.org/~calver/pictures/Bush2.jpg |
| 14:09.15 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: having to start taking bran in the morning? |
| 14:09.22 | CosmicPenguin | my eyes are shot |
| 14:09.47 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: isn't that due to playing with your self? |
| 14:10.06 | CosmicPenguin | The rumors are true then |
| 14:11.48 | chouimat | http://unix.rulez.org/~calver/pictures/LordoftheStrings.jpg |
| 14:12.14 | CosmicPenguin | I'm sorry for keithp and the other guys - the font stuff is cool and all, but I can't focus on that small of an AA font |
| 14:13.34 | CosmicPenguin | And non AAed fonts look like absolute crap when rendered with Xft |
| 14:13.59 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: install ximian desktop II and see how well that does the fonts |
| 14:15.21 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: I might later - for now, I just want to get my system back to a readable state |
| 14:16.01 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: the vera fonts look shit at less than 8pts |
| 14:16.09 | CosmicPenguin | no joke |
| 14:16.19 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: if you want decent ttf's smaller than that you'll need the m$ ones |
| 14:21.48 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ha, remember the xscale kiosk i brought up a couple weeks ago |
| 14:21.51 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ? |
| 14:24.01 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: http://www.unicomp.com/products/cs-link/pct2/ |
| 14:25.53 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: I tried the M$ ones - Verdana and Tahoma... |
| 14:30.56 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: is that the device? |
| 14:31.23 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea |
| 14:31.34 | CosmicPenguin | fugly |
| 14:31.36 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: got a knock off of the xbitsy |
| 14:31.59 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: At least I've got the code compiled now - at some point in the future, I'll get a hair up my ass and try again |
| 14:32.55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: anyway the company that makes it wants a buildroot for it |
| 14:33.06 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: what should i charge them for it? |
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| 14:39.35 | prpplague | ibot: send pb_ |
| 14:39.37 | | prpplague: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 14:39.44 | prpplague | ibot: seen pb_ |
| 14:39.45 | | pb_ <~pb@2002:5160:45ef:0:2e0:7dff:fe74:8b87> was last seen on IRC in channel #openembedded, 15h 32m 26s ago, saying: 'yep, and busybox is no exception to that.'. |
| 14:40.03 | prpplague | TimRiker: feeling any better today? |
| 14:51.51 | sieve | morning all |
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| 19:57.35 | TimRiker | prpplague: tired, but not sick. ;-) |
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| 19:58.26 | prpplague | jeeze - http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=6,632,248.WKU.&OS=PN/6,632,248&RS=PN/6,632,248 |
| 19:58.27 | prpplague | wouldn't most of that be the same as getting you environment default when logging in to a nix box? |
| 19:58.27 | chouimat | prpplague: technicaly it's the same |
| 19:58.28 | chouimat | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:58.31 | prpplague | chouimat: what the frick is that? |
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| 20:45.10 | jacques | anyone know anything about the hauppage (sp) MediaMVP ? it runs linux but I cant find any more info |
| 20:45.19 | jacques | trying to get a guy here let me open his up |
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| 21:31.54 | Russ | is anyone yet aware of http://www.palli.nl/~ivo/rdp/ |
| 21:32.51 | CosmicPenguin | Holy poop - I know that guy |
| 21:34.46 | CosmicPenguin | A while back, I talked to a guy from EasyNetworks in OZ about putting RDP and Nano-X on a floppy but it never materialized |
| 21:39.55 | prpplague | Russ: holy cow |
| 21:40.15 | prpplague | Russ: i've used rdesktop in several products |
| 21:40.31 | prpplague | Russ: i guess that would be a $$$ product for someone to rip off |
| 21:40.46 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: really? |
| 21:40.51 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: no foolin' |
| 21:40.56 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: sounds like they took your idea and ran |
| 21:41.20 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: it was their idea, but it looks like they didn't end up using Microwindows |
| 21:42.06 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: oh |
| 21:42.18 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: still thats pretty blatant violation |
| 21:42.28 | jacques | BASTAGES |
| 21:44.37 | kergoth | hm. |
| 21:46.17 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.ecliptec.com.au/products.asp |
| 21:46.23 | CosmicPenguin | Thats who did the engineering |
| 22:20.42 | CosmicPenguin | lol - I just got an e-mail from VIA responding to an email that I sent last November!!!!! |
| 22:21.05 | kergoth | man, thats some serious lag |
| 22:21.36 | jacques | the email about mpeg2 decoding on mini-itx? |
| 22:22.05 | jacques | have they bothered to do something now that someone has reverse engineered their binary drivers and released all the info a couple months ago? |
| 22:22.34 | CosmicPenguin | Yeah, but that reverse engineered driver is crap |
| 22:22.59 | jacques | oh :-( |
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| 22:56.29 | Russ | what does BVD do on pcmcia again? |
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| 23:06.19 | Russ | does one even need to hook up BVD? |
