| 00:33.48 | Russ | heh, another cool feature of epia boards, you don't need a monitor to fix them, just plug in the svidio |
| 00:38.11 | file | I had to pull my fileserver out today and hook a monitor up... I rebooted it, and it didn't come back on the network |
| 00:38.17 | file | had to fsck everything... bleh |
| 00:40.07 | Russ | hmm...it goes to vesafb and the picture goes away |
| 00:40.13 | Russ | thats no good |
| 00:45.35 | TomW | Russ: no connection: "telnet 68.104.207.172 25" |
| 00:45.52 | Russ | ya, I know |
| 00:46.00 | Russ | I set up a redircect somewhere else |
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| 02:32.05 | ab0oo | any JTAG gurus here? I've got one that I can't get to work. |
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| 03:33.35 | ab0oo | Tim, are you really there? |
| 03:34.04 | TimRiker | once in a while... |
| 03:34.18 | ab0oo | man, I am about at my wits end with my TuxScreen... |
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| 03:34.45 | ab0oo | after 6 weeks, I got my JTAG from AlephOne... |
| 03:34.50 | ab0oo | I Still have a brick. |
| 03:35.35 | ab0oo | I'm not sure I'm smart enough to un-brick this thing. Stupid question: do I _have_ to have 4 AA batteries in this thing to make it work? |
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| 03:37.04 | ab0oo | have you ever JTAGed a TuxScreen? |
| 03:37.13 | TimRiker | yes. |
| 03:37.50 | TimRiker | quite a few. I use the holly gates dongle and jflash |
| 03:38.02 | TimRiker | try reading first and if that's ok, then writing should work. |
| 03:38.20 | TimRiker | I only jflash blob then use blob to do the filesystem |
| 03:38.24 | ab0oo | I can read, but the dump from the read looks, erm, corrupted. |
| 03:38.30 | TimRiker | you can do the whole thing, but it's slow. |
| 03:38.40 | ab0oo | I get a different checksum every time I flash the blob... |
| 03:38.43 | TimRiker | does it boot? |
| 03:38.51 | ab0oo | No, gray screen, no serial output. |
| 03:38.52 | TimRiker | ie: how did you get here? |
| 03:39.33 | ab0oo | was trying to reflash the blob and I apparantly didn't get all of the memory blocks unlocked with the 12V correctly (some were, some weren't), and after one reboot, BAM, no screen. |
| 03:40.20 | TimRiker | you were using inferno (sboot) to flash? |
| 03:40.28 | TimRiker | your blob image is < 32k ? |
| 03:40.41 | ab0oo | Nah, I had Linux on it, and was trying to flash to a newer blob. |
| 03:40.45 | ab0oo | probably not. |
| 03:40.52 | ab0oo | I'm trying v.4 right now. |
| 03:41.08 | TimRiker | once Linux is on it, all the blocks should be unlocked. |
| 03:41.21 | ab0oo | but I get a different checksum. Also, my "device id" from the JTAG is a constantly moving target, i.e.: |
| 03:41.37 | TimRiker | sounds like a cabling issue. |
| 03:41.43 | ab0oo | [root@kcnopc24 jflash]# ./flash < ./tuxscreen-blob error, failed to read device ID ACT: 1111 1110000000000000 00000001001 1 EXP: X001 0001000010000100 00000110101 1 |
| 03:42.00 | ab0oo | hmm, missing the "\n"'s in there... |
| 03:42.13 | ab0oo | cabling, i.e. jtag to tux? |
| 03:42.21 | TimRiker | shorten up the cables, and try using smaller cables. A ribbon cable works much better than wires. |
| 03:43.17 | ab0oo | I'm using a 6 inch ribbon cable, the bare ribbons are soldered directly to the JTAG pins (I figured they're long enough to sink the heat before I fried the chip on the jtag) |
| 03:43.36 | TimRiker | http://www.TuxScreen.net/img/mvc-613f.jpg <- note the ribbon cable. |
| 03:43.49 | ab0oo | the other end uses a gold-plated 13pin header. |
| 03:43.56 | ab0oo | Mine's MUCH shorter than that. |
| 03:44.25 | TimRiker | you ran the wires through the board, yes? |
| 03:44.33 | TimRiker | some contacts are on the other side iirc |
| 03:45.16 | TimRiker | 13 pin header on the board... then a connector to the ribbon cable? |
| 03:45.18 | ab0oo | yes, the pins of the header are soldered to the pads on the board... Hmm, I think all pads are on the same side. I could be wrong here.... |
| 03:45.36 | TimRiker | pads? there are holes. |
| 03:46.07 | TimRiker | http://www.TuxScreen.net/img/rimg0004.jpg |
| 03:46.09 | ab0oo | right, 13 holes, but one side of the board has pads around the holes. HAng on... |
| 03:46.34 | ab0oo | Mine looks VERY similar, but with gold pins... |
| 03:46.40 | ab0oo | even dremeled a hole inthe case... |
| 03:46.58 | TimRiker | http://www.TuxScreen.net/img/rimg0005.jpg |
| 03:47.03 | ab0oo | all of the solder is on the top side of the board... |
| 03:47.37 | TimRiker | http://www.TuxScreen.net/img/rimg0006.jpg <- like this? ;-) |
| 03:47.53 | ab0oo | almost identical. |
| 03:48.18 | ab0oo | I'd take pictures, but my wife took the digital camera to NYC, and I can't find where she put it when she came home.. :( |
| 03:48.48 | ab0oo | All of my connections OHM out good, but it's a VERY moving target to hit the correct device ID. |
| 03:48.59 | TimRiker | heh. all those are images I took and they are on the wiki page. |
| 03:49.03 | ab0oo | when I disconnect the JTAG, it gives me all ones... |
| 03:49.05 | TimRiker | http://www.tuxscreen.net/wiki/view/JTAG |
| 03:49.16 | ab0oo | I've seen them all before. I've been following that page to the letter. |
| 03:49.49 | ab0oo | believe me, I wouldn't ask for help if I hadn't read the FM... |
| 03:49.49 | TimRiker | you using a holly gates dongle? or home built? got the caps in there? |
| 03:50.09 | ab0oo | I got it from AlephOne. Freshly built. Took 'em 6 weeks. |
| 03:51.10 | ab0oo | Looks just like this one: http://www.lart.tudelft.nl/projects/jtag/lart-jtag-2.jpg |
| 03:52.00 | ab0oo | have you had to do the 100 Ohm resistor addition between pins 6 and 7 on the JTAG connector? |
| 03:52.17 | TimRiker | yep. same. |
| 03:52.34 | TimRiker | no. |
| 03:52.44 | TimRiker | ie: same dongle. no resistor. |
| 03:52.49 | ab0oo | does your device ID sync up first time every time? |
| 03:53.21 | TimRiker | yes. but I had to mess with the cable to get one that worked well. |
| 03:53.43 | TimRiker | now I've used the same dongle and cable on 10 or so phones. works every time. |
| 03:53.45 | ab0oo | and, do you get the same number of bytes transferred every time? Because it's a "no" for me on both. |
| 03:53.55 | TimRiker | yes for me on both. |
| 03:54.08 | ab0oo | ok, it's gotta be my cable... |
| 03:54.13 | ab0oo | at least, I hope. |
| 03:54.28 | TimRiker | I kept playing with it till I could always get the same id and the same data on reads before I tried writes. |
| 03:54.34 | ab0oo | look at this: <hang on while I cut and paste> |
| 03:54.44 | TimRiker | #flood? |
| 03:55.08 | ab0oo | Re~ett|ng ~dct~fy |efa|dts~ |
| 03:55.12 | ab0oo | no, just one line. |
| 03:55.43 | ab0oo | That is a line from me running "strings" on a "read" from the jtag. It's got corrupted chars in the middle of the words... |
| 03:56.00 | ab0oo | the WHOLE file is like that. random chars in words replaced with "~" |
| 03:56.30 | ab0oo | ok, I'll buy that. so these JTAGs really DO work, it's just a matter of coaxing them along? |
| 03:56.55 | TimRiker | yeah. |
| 03:57.07 | TimRiker | is is always byte 3 of 4 that's messed up? |
| 03:57.07 | ab0oo | ok. Got any more phones? <laughs> |
| 03:57.25 | ab0oo | it kind of looks like it. could it be a bad memory chip? |
| 03:57.46 | TimRiker | all your reads show the same? |
| 03:58.00 | TimRiker | ie: not the same data, but the same bad bytes |
| 03:58.19 | ab0oo | I've only done one read. Hang on and I'll do another... |
| 03:58.46 | TimRiker | I've got a few phones around that need looking into. |
| 03:58.57 | TimRiker | some boot, some don't some are missing parts, etc. |
| 03:59.26 | ab0oo | I'll bet you wife/S-O loves all those parts lying around.... mine sure does... |
| 03:59.34 | TimRiker | hehe |
| 04:00.00 | TimRiker | do you know which blob was there in the first place? |
| 04:00.07 | ab0oo | man, the reads take forever... I guess 650 bytes per sec.... |
| 04:00.08 | TimRiker | try putting the same one back? |
| 04:00.38 | TimRiker | yeah. un buffered jtag over parallel. not exactly the fasted thing invented. ;-/ |
| 04:01.16 | ab0oo | well, I read 245k and strings found nothing. hang on and I'll let it run a little longer.... |
| 04:01.51 | ab0oo | it's really frustrating that I was so careful connecting the JTAG. I really tried to make sure my ducks were in a row... |
| 04:03.11 | TimRiker | blob is only the first 32k normally. can be up to 128k but no likely to be over 64k. |
| 04:03.20 | TimRiker | s/no /not/ |
| 04:04.55 | ab0oo | these files look completely different. RADICALLY different. |
| 04:05.14 | ab0oo | I don't see the same "every third character corrupted" thing, though.... |
| 04:05.30 | ab0oo | what would I see if I had a single bank of memory that was bad? |
| 04:05.50 | TimRiker | this is flash, not ram. |
| 04:06.13 | TimRiker | seems to me there are 2 flash chips, and each has like 4 bit locks or some such. |
| 04:06.27 | TimRiker | hmm. 2 bits perhaps. |
| 04:07.07 | ab0oo | ahh, flash, not ram. I could see screwing up the SODIMM, but I haven't been near the flash... |
| 04:07.21 | ab0oo | er, is the flash near the PCMCIA slots? |
| 04:07.30 | ab0oo | I _DID_ do the 5v hack... |
| 04:07.31 | TimRiker | you can pull the sodimm out and it'll still boot. |
| 04:07.54 | ab0oo | don't think I dropped any solder, but still........ |
| 04:10.47 | TimRiker | http://www.tuxscreen.net/img/mvc-623f.jpg <- flash are the bottom 2 on the right iirc |
| 04:12.14 | TimRiker | http://www.tuxscreen.net/img/mvc-624f.jpg |
| 04:13.04 | TimRiker | http://www.tuxscreen.net/wiki/view/PCMCIA-5V |
| 04:13.54 | ab0oo | opposite board. chances are pretty slim on screwing that up... |
| 04:15.19 | ab0oo | ok, well, let me bang away on getting a clean read from the flash, and then seeing if I can get a decent write. Thank looks like the main problems. |
| 04:15.29 | ab0oo | (the connector being flaky, that is. |
| 04:17.36 | ab0oo | thanks for your help. You know, I'm in the middle of starting a wireless ISP (802.11b), and there's a BUNCH of 2.4ghz RF around here. I wonder if my cable is cut to a perfect 2.4ghz antenna length.... |
| 04:17.53 | ab0oo | that would be a real hoot. |
| 04:20.19 | ab0oo | have you ever fried a JTAG? are they pretty hardy little critters? |
| 04:21.41 | TimRiker | the dongle? I've never fried one. but I never soldered anything to it either. |
| 04:22.43 | ab0oo | I'll shoot you an email if/when I get this beast figured out. Thanks for the help. |
| 04:22.52 | TimRiker | sure |
| 04:22.58 | TimRiker | good luck. ;-) |
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| 15:31.04 | jacques | did anyone ever end up producing the sound hardware for the tuxscreen - can't remember what it was called |
| 15:38.24 | signal11_ | you mean a pcmcia sound card? |
| 15:38.58 | jacques | sorry the little circuits that allowed the tux to do VOIP |
| 15:40.29 | CosmicPenguin | iirc, it was just for sound |
| 15:40.45 | CosmicPenguin | I can't recall anyone ever figuring out how to pipe sound back into the Wheaties |
| 15:42.23 | jacques | :-\ |
| 15:42.37 | jacques | i was hoping to play with VOIP on the tux |
| 15:42.57 | CosmicPenguin | I lied |
| 15:43.06 | jacques | phew |
| 15:43.10 | jacques | :-) |
| 15:43.10 | CosmicPenguin | Nobody has figured out how to get the sound from the headset from the Wheaties |
| 15:43.26 | jacques | :-\ |
| 15:43.34 | CosmicPenguin | And then the incoming sound back into the headset |
| 15:46.17 | CosmicPenguin | jacques: everything we know is here http://www.cosmicpenguin.net/tuxscreen/dsp.html |
| 15:47.00 | MornWork | morning folks |
| 15:47.29 | MornWork | CosmicPenguin: I plan to install Pixil on my spare ipaq this weekend |
| 15:47.56 | CosmicPenguin | MornWork: good luck with all of that... :) |
| 15:48.10 | MornWork | thanks, it should be fun while taking large doses of codine |
| 15:48.13 | CosmicPenguin | MornWork: If you want OZ targets, I've got them |
| 15:48.24 | MornWork | I never got a Zaurus :-( |
| 15:48.30 | CosmicPenguin | OZ builds for Ipaq too |
| 15:48.39 | MornWork | ok |
| 15:48.48 | MornWork | I didn't know that |
| 15:49.07 | CosmicPenguin | I'm still working on my OE targets - my compiler is buggy with that map issue that Lethal pointed out a few days ago |
| 15:49.28 | MornWork | is there a pixil mailing list? |
| 15:49.47 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: you have a url to that handy? should add the patch to the gcc 3.3.1 .oe |
| 15:49.48 | CosmicPenguin | There is one at pixil.org |
| 15:49.56 | MornWork | cool, I'll join it |
| 15:49.56 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: I lost it... :( |
| 15:50.02 | kergoth | hrmmk |
| 15:50.05 | kergoth | Lethal: ping |
| 15:50.16 | CosmicPenguin | MornWork: Just be careful - anything you say there may be sold commercially |
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| 15:50.34 | MornWork | I ruptured an eardrum recently, so I'm a bit out of it |
| 15:50.38 | MornWork | hi Tim |
| 15:50.40 | CosmicPenguin | Ouch |
| 15:50.45 | kergoth | ouch, sorry to hear that |
| 15:50.54 | CosmicPenguin | I applied for a Sourceforge site to be a completely open developers site |
| 15:51.10 | timriker_ | CosmicPenguin: huh? |
| 15:51.33 | CosmicPenguin | ? |
| 15:51.47 | MornWork | I'm going to get some lunch and see if ti calms my stomach down from the pain killers |
| 15:53.22 | timriker_ | "completely open developers site" |
| 15:53.30 | kergoth | timriker_: pixil |
| 15:53.37 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: you ever decide on a name? |
| 15:54.15 | CosmicPenguin | pixdev |
| 15:54.17 | timriker_ | pexel? ;-) |
| 15:54.40 | CosmicPenguin | And signal11_ talked me into Sourceforge - it really has everything I need |
| 15:54.55 | timriker_ | when it's up that is. |
| 15:55.20 | kergoth | heh, indeed |
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| 16:05.13 | timriker_ | ~dict pixel |
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| 16:05.23 | timriker_ | "ColoredDot" ? |
| 16:06.18 | CosmicPenguin | Its an ex-Century convention! |
| 16:06.39 | Rocinante | party.... |
| 16:07.24 | Rocinante | CosmicPenguin: how're things going? |
| 16:07.33 | CosmicPenguin | They're going |
| 16:07.43 | CosmicPenguin | How about you? Still causin' issues at Dick Simon? |
| 16:07.49 | Rocinante | yup.... |
| 16:08.21 | signal11_ | hey jeff whats new |
| 16:08.39 | Rocinante | not much, you? |
| 16:12.30 | Rocinante | signal11_: ever do NAT using an old 2.2.12 kernel? |
| 16:17.37 | signal11_ | Rocinante: i used ipfwadm, I think that is 2.0.x. |
| 16:17.43 | signal11_ | but there should be a ton of howtos |
| 16:18.01 | kergoth | 2.2.x is ipchains.. well documented, and not hard to setup |
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| 16:24.57 | Rocinante | cool. Do you have an example of the ipchains command to handle a nat? |
| 16:25.26 | kergoth | google does. |
| 16:26.35 | Rocinante | from what I've found is they have the following options, deny, accept, forward, and masq |
| 16:26.38 | Rocinante | do I use masq? |
| 16:27.24 | kergoth | yes, you want to masquerade |
| 16:27.41 | Rocinante | great thanks....At least I know I on the right track... |
| 16:28.06 | Rocinante | this works both inbound and outbound, right? |
| 16:29.20 | kergoth | if you mean does it automatically route back inbound packets to the correct owner of that connection, yes |
| 16:30.34 | Rocinante | If I set up vpn-like connection with some on the outside, I need to translate from a public to a private ip |
| 16:30.43 | Rocinante | would I use nat/masp or just set up a tunnel? |
| 16:30.50 | Rocinante | s/masp/masq |
| 16:30.56 | kergoth | masq should work fine. |
| 16:31.03 | Rocinante | thanks |
| 16:32.45 | TomW`gone | Rocinante: http://www.netfilter.org/ |
| 16:36.32 | CosmicPenguin | TomW`gone: I thought netfilter was only for 2.4? |
| 16:53.11 | Rocinante | thanks I'll look at it |
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| 17:16.15 | CosmicPenguin | Rocinante: you hear about Pixil? |
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| 17:34.22 | Rocinante | CosmicPenguin: yeah...I saw the announcement and invitation to the mailinglist... |
| 17:34.38 | Rocinante | what's uncle greg's plans? |
| 17:39.06 | CosmicPenguin | Rocinante: I guess to sell lots of licences and rise from the dead |
| 17:39.10 | CosmicPenguin | ain't gonna happen |
| 17:52.16 | Rocinante | yeah that's kind of what I figured |
| 17:52.24 | Rocinante | are you keeping busy? |
| 18:02.11 | CosmicPenguin | Not right now |
| 18:02.20 | CosmicPenguin | But the last two months were non stop |
| 18:11.02 | Rocinante | that's cool....(for the last 2 months...) |
| 18:11.11 | Rocinante | heard from Trilogy? |
| 18:11.17 | Rocinante | (ha-ha) |
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| 18:49.05 | CosmicPenguin | Rocinante: all the Trilogy e-mails bounce |
| 18:49.53 | Rocinante | i figured that |
| 18:49.59 | Rocinante | I think I tried that a while ago.... |
| 19:27.19 | TomW | Rocinante: sorry, I thought you were using v2.4 kernel. I had redirected server ports into an internal 192.168 subnet using redir. IIRC, ipchains wouldn't do it for me. |
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