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| 15:14.19 | TomW | file: good morning |
| 15:14.36 | file | TomW: g'morning to you too, what's up? |
| 15:14.49 | chouimat | morning |
| 15:14.58 | ricmm | morning |
| 15:15.04 | TomW | ah, not much, basically just recovering from a night of dancing with the ladies |
| 15:15.15 | file | ooooooooooooh |
| 15:15.32 | TomW | :D |
| 15:15.38 | chouimat | TomW: hehe ... I wasn't able to do that yesterday ... my back is still locked |
| 15:15.56 | TomW | spent most of the night dancing with Arlene |
| 15:16.22 | TomW | cute little blond that seems to keep popping up in my field of vision. |
| 15:16.47 | TomW | file: know anything about wifi? |
| 15:17.48 | file | TomW: well, I have an 802.11b network |
| 15:18.06 | file | what do you need to know? |
| 15:18.09 | TomW | yeah? I've got the peices to it but cannot figure it out. |
| 15:19.19 | file | I assume you've got everything setup in software (or is that the problem) |
| 15:19.40 | TomW | file: I have a Belkin Wifi router / access point and a Dell "wlan compact flash" card. |
| 15:20.25 | TomW | file: I can see the wifi hub vie ethernet from linux, I can access all of it's internal menus & configs, so that is not a problem. |
| 15:20.54 | file | TomW: but when you use wifi it just doesn't work? |
| 15:21.25 | TomW | file: but, I have an older IPaq 31xx series pda. When I plug the CF wifi card in, the pda sees the card insertion and id's the card as a NE2000 Compatible Card. |
| 15:21.42 | file | okay that's probably the problem |
| 15:21.46 | TomW | file: I cannot figure what to do from there. |
| 15:21.50 | file | drivers :) |
| 15:21.58 | TomW | ok |
| 15:22.21 | file | Let me see if I can find a URL |
| 15:23.08 | TomW | I thought that the CF card would behave as a transparent device: e.g. id as a ethernet card but handle the connectivity, config, etc. itself as a default. Then I would need the drivers to config to my SSID(?) |
| 15:24.04 | file | the drivers are used to configure the ESSID/WEP/Channel and gives statistics |
| 15:25.01 | file | what's the model number for the CompactFlash card? |
| 15:25.25 | file | TrueMObile 1180? |
| 15:25.32 | TomW | file: can I use two Wifi router / hubs to talk with each other? Or is this some kind of client / server arrangement where the hub will only talk with special cards (wifi cards) and it won't talk with another hub of the same model? |
| 15:25.48 | TomW | file: yeah, truemobile 1180 |
| 15:26.04 | file | you can use it in a roaming setup, so wifi clients can roam between them |
| 15:26.11 | chouimat | ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGg |
| 15:27.38 | TomW | file: yeah, but, what I will need to do is connect two PCs up with a wifi link. The PCs do not have PCMCIA slots in them, so, I was thinking of using two of these WLAN access points as a point to point wireless link. |
| 15:28.15 | TomW | file: can that be done? |
| 15:28.22 | file | mmm interesting idea |
| 15:28.31 | file | I think so |
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| 15:29.30 | TomW | file: I've basically ignored 802.11 and now I have a need to create a wireless network between PCs. |
| 15:29.41 | TomW | Morn: morning Julie |
| 15:29.51 | Morn | morning... |
| 15:29.59 | TomW | Morn: awake yet? |
| 15:30.19 | Morn | kinda, I've been up 5 hours, but only had 3 hours sleep the last 2 nights |
| 15:30.33 | TomW | Morh: :P |
| 15:30.45 | TomW | Morn: busy girl... |
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| 15:31.17 | Morn | TomW: yeah... I was sick for 2 weeks, so I'm trying to make up lost time |
| 15:31.33 | Morn | TomW: are you one of the people that works at TI? |
| 15:31.45 | TomW | file: Ok, I'll just get another one of these hubs and play with it. But, you say that I need to put drivers on the Zaurus and other PDA to get them into the wifi network then? |
| 15:32.01 | TomW | Morn: no, I gave up corporate bs for lent. |
| 15:32.22 | Morn | ah, cool |
| 15:32.30 | Morn | I just had a friend start at TI |
| 15:32.41 | TomW | Morn: I'm one of those idiots who thought that he could make a lot of money doing consulting. |
| 15:33.26 | file | yes, drivers are required - but the Zaurus may already have the drivers |
| 15:34.17 | TomW | file: ok, so, if this guy wants me to get his Zaurus running on a wireless network, he'll just have to give up the Zaurus for a week or so. :) |
| 15:34.38 | file | haha |
| 15:34.42 | Morn | TomW: I did that for a long time, then went to a non-profit... |
| 15:34.47 | TomW | file: ... he'll just have to endure a little pain before the pleasure. |
| 15:34.58 | file | I think I have the driver |
| 15:35.19 | file | http://support.dell.com/filelib/format.aspx?releaseid=r55070 |
| 15:36.53 | TomW | file: hmmm, I need to setup an account with them... it gives me a login screen, I'll get his Zaurus. |
| 15:37.08 | TomW | file: thanks |
| 15:37.33 | file | http://docs.us.dell.com/docs/network/p53163/en/drvconfi.htm |
| 15:37.38 | file | there's the instructions |
| 15:37.44 | file | want me to download it and send it over to you? |
| 15:37.45 | TomW | Morn: I like the lifestyle and have been paying my bills doing consulting for 8 years now. |
| 15:37.49 | TomW | file: ok |
| 15:38.10 | TomW | file: IPaq 3135 |
| 15:38.22 | file | they won't ask for that... |
| 15:38.34 | file | (this card originally designed for Axim X5...) |
| 15:38.53 | TomW | just needs Pocket PC o/s then? |
| 15:39.09 | file | apparently so |
| 15:39.13 | TomW | i.e. windoze |
| 15:39.16 | file | yup |
| 15:39.33 | file | download is done |
| 15:40.21 | file | transferring to webserver... |
| 15:40.31 | TomW | file: you can dcc |
| 15:40.39 | file | no, I can't :) |
| 15:40.45 | TomW | heh |
| 15:41.15 | file | Dell's site is confusing |
| 15:41.40 | TomW | file: .. like InTels is? |
| 15:42.06 | TomW | "the bigger they are, the more fsck'ed up the website"? |
| 15:42.16 | file | http://www.file-radio.com/R55070.EXE |
| 15:43.44 | TomW | file: done. Thanks. What are you using as wifi client hardware? |
| 15:43.58 | file | a first revision DWL-650 PCMCIA card |
| 15:44.04 | file | uses the Prism 2 chipset |
| 15:44.52 | TomW | file: ok, I'll have to start roaming the net and get educated on wifi. Maybe pick up a book like "wifi for dummies" :D |
| 15:44.58 | file | haha |
| 15:45.13 | TomW | I certainly fit that catagory. |
| 15:45.36 | file | how long till you can tell me if that driver works? |
| 15:45.59 | TomW | I wonder how hard it would be to integrate a CF Wifi card into an embedded Linux system on ARM? |
| 15:47.20 | TomW | file: oh, it won't be today, I'll let you know. I give my IPaq a shot but I will definately be getting his Zaurus to get that working. That is what he wants to use ultimately to get a feel for what wifi is capable of doing. |
| 15:47.51 | file | ic |
| 15:49.32 | TomW | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:49.58 | file | yup |
| 15:50.00 | TomW | might not be that hard to do, maybe some endian problems or such. |
| 15:50.07 | file | my card uses orinoco_cs |
| 15:52.54 | TomW | file: <sigh> so many toys and so little time... |
| 15:53.30 | file | TomW: mmm... build time machine! |
| 15:53.57 | TomW | file: will it work on my body? reverse the aging process? |
| 15:54.02 | chouimat | TomW: how the webpal board is going? |
| 15:54.27 | file | well, in theory if you were able to activate a gene in your DNA you could live... FOREVER! |
| 15:54.40 | file | that's why cancer cells never die, they just keep growing (cause they activate that gene) |
| 15:55.02 | TomW | chouimat: I got the replacement RS232 level shifter chips in and soldered down. I use the wrong smd footprint so had to order a package that would be made to fit. |
| 15:55.51 | TomW | chouimat: CF works, 2.5" IDE port works, 10BaseT is working. I need to start working on the quad serial chip next. |
| 15:56.13 | chouimat | ok ... I will order a 8MB flash when they are ready ... and maybe your board :) |
| 15:57.05 | TomW | chouimat: and, I picked up a 256M SanDisk CF. I need to rework the blob CVS source so that I can boot the system off the kernel image stored on the CF (in ext3 filesystem under /boot/linux) |
| 15:57.49 | chouimat | TomW: good I have some 16MB CF here and for what I have in mind it |
| 15:57.57 | file | lalala |
| 15:58.19 | chouimat | 's ok ... and never thought doing a version with 2 10BASE-T ? |
| 15:58.51 | TomW | chouimat: don't bother with the 8Meg device, I am targeting the CF as the boot device. The one meg flash will only be there to hold a bootloader and tiny cramfs to use to format the CF, establish an eithernet connection, then you can use it to construct the filesystem on the CF. |
| 15:58.54 | chouimat | file: why now |
| 15:59.17 | chouimat | TomW: ok then |
| 15:59.39 | chouimat | file: why not but it's for another project |
| 15:59.47 | file | ic |
| 16:00.22 | TomW | chouimat: naw, to really any room to put all the connectors on the card edge. I'll take a photo of the current board and post it on my website. It'll do that in a little while today. |
| 16:01.00 | chouimat | TomW: ok |
| 16:07.54 | mallum | chouimat: can you still get them ? |
| 16:08.40 | chouimat | mallum: there is one on ebay but I don't have the money to get it |
| 16:09.03 | mallum | chouimat: I imagine its cheaper to get an xbox than a dreamcast adaptor ;-) |
| 16:09.36 | chouimat | mallum: it's a 56usd (i have the money but the guy don't want to ship to canada I asked him) |
| 16:11.17 | chouimat | mallum: and an xbos is just a pc so no fun getting one |
| 16:13.05 | mallum | yep |
| 16:16.35 | chouimat | could be fun to get: http://www.charmedlabs.com/ |
| 16:21.23 | TomW | chouimat: problem with the webpal is finding free IRQ lines, I used INT7 for the ethernet (the IRQ3 that was there) and tagged a jumper onto INT1 and ran that to the IRQ4 of the ISA. |
| 16:21.56 | chouimat | TomW: ouch |
| 16:22.50 | TomW | it is enough for what I need to do. I did think about adding another ehternet to the card, but, it is a problem with resolving the IRQs. |
| 16:24.24 | TomW | chouimat: besides, this is only going to be for a conecpt demo. As it looks, I'll probably use the Sharp LH79520 chip on the actual system. Then, if I need two ethernets, I'll have the INT lines to use as I please. |
| 16:24.51 | TomW | chouimat: the final system will probably use the SMSC 91C111 10/100BaseT ethernet chip. |
| 16:25.39 | chouimat | TomW: sound good too me ... but I'm really tempted to order an Xport 2.0 |
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| 16:28.37 | TomW | chouimat: xport? |
| 16:28.49 | chouimat | TomW: http://www.charmedlabs.com/ |
| 16:30.14 | TomW | chouimat: oooo! that'll keep you busy for a while! heh |
| 16:30.43 | George- | oh dear, it's chouimat |
| 16:31.11 | chouimat | George-: shaddap |
| 16:31.20 | George- | :P |
| 16:31.30 | George- | chouimat: my laptop is still broken :D |
| 16:32.09 | chouimat | TomW: yup that will keep me busy a while ... but I'm not sure |
| 16:36.59 | TomW | drat, I cannot find the link cable to my camera. |
| 16:37.33 | TomW | and, I am sure I put it somewhere "safe" |
| 16:38.24 | chouimat | TomW: yup it's "safe" you can't find it :) |
| 16:39.41 | ricmm | TomW: what machine is that you were talking about? |
| 16:46.10 | TomW | aha! |
| 16:46.20 | TomW | ricmm: webpal |
| 16:46.40 | ricmm | oh |
| 16:46.43 | ricmm | any link around ? |
| 16:46.46 | ricmm | or shall i google it |
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| 16:47.54 | TomW | ricmm: just a basic webpage for a buildroot at: http://www.openhardware.net/webpal/index.html |
| 16:48.03 | ricmm | kk |
| 16:48.44 | TomW | ricmm: I've been too busy to really work on the site. There is one peice of the build code that I need to update, the xstrdup() of one of the utils segfaults on later glibc. |
| 16:49.08 | ricmm | but |
| 16:49.12 | ricmm | is it a commercial device? |
| 16:50.18 | TomW | ricmm: well, it is surplus, you can buy them for < USD$30 on ebay most of the time, the last one I purchase cost me $21 and that included the shipping. It is an ARM platform but has NTSC / PAL video to drive a TV set with. |
| 16:50.50 | TomW | ricmm: IR remote (with mouse) and IR keyboard. |
| 16:51.01 | ricmm | great |
| 16:51.08 | ricmm | so it is a nice little pc wich u an put linux on :P |
| 16:51.12 | ricmm | s/an/can |
| 16:51.39 | chouimat | ricmm: if you change the memory simm |
| 16:51.47 | ricmm | why |
| 16:51.55 | chouimat | 4mb stock |
| 16:52.16 | ricmm | oh right hehe |
| 16:52.23 | ricmm | but it is on if u dont want X |
| 16:52.24 | TomW | ricmm: not PC (X86) it is ARM. |
| 16:52.28 | ricmm | s/on/ok |
| 16:52.37 | ricmm | right again |
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| 20:38.16 | TomW | chouimat: http://www.openhardware.net/webpal/webpal-isa.jpg |
| 20:40.08 | chouimat | TomW: the webpal header is for what? |
| 20:41.20 | TomW | The webpal header plugs into the IDE of the mainboard. The Compact Flash + 2.5" IDE are merely connected to the webpal IDE controller. |
| 20:41.53 | chouimat | TomW: ok and what is the expected price for a board? |
| 20:42.00 | TomW | chouimat: all it is is a 9" cable that jumps from header to header. |
| 20:42.12 | TomW | I don't know. ;) |
| 20:42.33 | chouimat | TomW: ok |
| 20:44.00 | TomW | I have the one board assembled, but I will have to get more boards made so I can make the other 3 boards. A few mistakes on it. The board is not cheap: $5 CF socket, $12 ethernet chip, $28 Quad uart, $33 PCB, $2 CPLD, $10 iin misc parts... |
| 20:44.30 | TomW | that freakin' uart is not cheap, but, it does 9 bit mode. |
| 20:45.33 | TomW | chouimat: maybe when I am done with the concept demo I can sell you one of those for a fair price. |
| 20:45.53 | chouimat | TomW: :) |
| 20:52.44 | ricmm | hey TomW |
| 20:52.47 | ricmm | but |
| 20:53.00 | ricmm | is that the whole board? and why does it plugs in an ISA plug |
| 20:53.20 | chouimat | ricmm: extension board for the webpal |
| 20:53.29 | ricmm | oh it is nice |
| 20:54.15 | ricmm | sandisk |
| 20:54.19 | ricmm | here i have a 15mb one |
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