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| 00:06.24 | TomW | good evening |
| 00:18.18 | jacques | hi TomW |
| 00:18.56 | TomW | hello |
| 00:19.15 | TomW | another nice night in the Pocono Mountains |
| 00:20.19 | TomW | locusts are chirping, 68 degrees out, and kernel code is trashing. heh |
| 00:23.10 | TomW | crap, "Module autoprobing not allowed" |
| 00:23.45 | jacques | not allowed ? |
| 00:23.47 | file[wifi] | not allowed?!?!? I am root, hear me type! |
| 00:24.35 | jacques | yeah what file[wifi] said |
| 00:24.53 | TomW | jacques: yeah, /drivers/net/cs89x0.c |
| 00:25.32 | TomW | hmmm, well, it says "if (io == 0) { ..." so, .. |
| 00:32.17 | TomW | darned virtual to physical mapping screwup of some kind. It isn't even attempting to access that region of the memory map. Ok, time to hardcode it and see what happens. |
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| 01:45.54 | TomW | hee hee, it works! |
| 01:46.16 | file[wifi] | what works |
| 01:46.40 | TomW | The CS8900 10BaseT chip I put in the WebPal. |
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| 01:56.36 | file[wifi] | nice |
| 02:00.48 | TomW | yeah! finally, I got the 2.5" drive interface working and now the ethernet chip. I still need to get the compact flash & quad serial port running. |
| 02:02.17 | sorphin | nod |
| 02:02.47 | sorphin | bigbrd told me a couple things to scope on my webpal flasher board, we're gonna try some hello world type progs when he gets back from vacation, if i can't write them myself |
| 02:03.17 | TomW | sorphin: what flasher board? |
| 02:03.32 | sorphin | TomW: umm. i built the webpal simm flasher that bigbrd did |
| 02:03.57 | TomW | ok, that ties into a parallel port of the PC, right? |
| 02:04.03 | sorphin | serial |
| 02:04.23 | TomW | oh, right, the PIC thingy |
| 02:04.28 | sorphin | ya |
| 02:04.37 | sorphin | wpflash doesn't seem to see the thing tho |
| 02:04.42 | sorphin | hence our diagnosing |
| 02:04.46 | TomW | :( not much to debug there with just a chip |
| 02:04.46 | sorphin | the pic flashes ok |
| 02:04.55 | sorphin | on the pic flashing board |
| 02:05.04 | sorphin | TomW: well, there's signals to verify |
| 02:05.11 | sorphin | MCLR, OSC |
| 02:05.27 | TomW | well, you now have a scope... |
| 02:05.33 | sorphin | yeah |
| 02:05.42 | sorphin | may do that this weekend since my weekend plans go trashed again |
| 02:05.46 | TomW | but, now you gotta learn how to use it? |
| 02:06.17 | sorphin | eh? |
| 02:06.20 | sorphin | i know how to use a scope |
| 02:06.46 | sorphin | gpsfan already filled me in the day i got it on the stuff on *this* type of scope (since it's been a few years since i'd touched a scope) |
| 02:07.00 | sorphin | already used it a few times since |
| 02:08.14 | sorphin | TomW: here's a puzzle for you.. my series 2 tivo won't see a vcr when you use RF or RCA, but if you toss it onto SVideo (just via a switch box/or/adaper that i made), it sees it fine :P |
| 02:08.25 | sorphin | before i thought it was signal level (< 1.0V) |
| 02:08.34 | sorphin | but since it's working on artificial svid |
| 02:08.38 | sorphin | doesnt sound like it |
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| 02:12.49 | TomW | what is "artificial svid" |
| 02:12.57 | TomW | ? |
| 02:13.36 | TomW | sorphin: so, you normally attach an SVID cable between the Tivo & VCR? |
| 02:15.20 | sorphin | TomW: it's using a little adapter or this A/V switchre |
| 02:15.36 | sorphin | that just converts RCA to svid (just the proper wiring and a ceramic cap) |
| 02:15.39 | sorphin | or vise versa |
| 02:16.10 | sorphin | obviously not super high qual that real svid would be (or component) |
| 02:16.22 | TomW | sorphin: so, you normally attach an SVID cable between the Tivo & VCR? |
| 02:16.25 | sorphin | but it's not bad (looks teh same as the rca normally would) |
| 02:16.30 | sorphin | no |
| 02:16.33 | sorphin | normally rca |
| 02:16.51 | sorphin | the vcr is rca or rf |
| 02:17.02 | TomW | Which one lets you record the signal: RCA or SVID? |
| 02:17.12 | sorphin | svid |
| 02:17.16 | TomW | k |
| 02:17.24 | TomW | interesting |
| 02:17.25 | sorphin | which is funny since all the 'svid' in this case is |
| 02:17.30 | sorphin | is split signal |
| 02:17.47 | sorphin | w/ that cap |
| 02:18.17 | TomW | sorphin: so, you want to record tapes or something off the VCR but cannot, correct? |
| 02:18.19 | sorphin | basically the reverse of svid to rca (combining luminance and the other one) |
| 02:18.25 | sorphin | yes |
| 02:18.42 | sorphin | still need to pick me up a time base corrector tho to help stablize/clean up the vhs signal |
| 02:18.49 | TomW | not familiar with the signals on SVID. |
| 02:19.25 | sorphin | TomW: basically combine 2 lines and come up w/ bastard composite |
| 02:19.34 | TomW | dunno |
| 02:19.40 | sorphin | that was a statement |
| 02:19.49 | sorphin | that's exactly what happens |
| 02:20.00 | sorphin | just can't rememebr the other signal name.. brain is toast |
| 02:20.16 | sorphin | anyways |
| 02:20.18 | sorphin | least it works |
| 02:20.52 | sorphin | and cheaper than outsourcing the conversion/buying yet anotehr capture card since my wintv won't do 720x480 |
| 02:24.12 | TomW | I don't do much with my TV except turn it on once in a while |
| 02:24.47 | sorphin | nod |
| 02:26.21 | TomW | ok, webpal boots and brings up the ehternet chip. That is enough work for today (well two days). |
| 02:36.30 | genbie | i am new to embedded stuff .. can someone advice me on which is better host platform to expermiment with embedded development on?? opteron workstation which is x86 capable or powerpc-based apple mac? |
| 02:37.03 | genbie | or maybe no difference? |
| 02:56.04 | TomW | genbie: I use a PC running Mandrake |
| 02:56.42 | genbie | TomW cool.. would you consider using an apple running linux? |
| 02:57.05 | TomW | sorphin: found the mistake on the compact flash, I wired the wrong signal to one of the pins. |
| 02:57.33 | TomW | genbie: I don't have an opinion about using a mac w/ linux |
| 02:58.34 | genbie | TomW Ok but i mean as a development host for embedded systems you think pc better than mac? (not necessarily running linux) |
| 02:58.39 | TomW | genbie: I don't see why it shouldn't work. you have to use a cross-compiler with most embedded stuff so the native dev tools are only to compile your cross environ. |
| 02:59.03 | TomW | genbie: I'm biased, I could never afford a mac. ;) |
| 02:59.18 | genbie | OK lol... |
| 02:59.30 | TomW | genbie: besides, I like more than one button on my mouse. |
| 02:59.54 | genbie | but i mean dont development tools also play an important role? are they more readily available for an x86-based system? |
| 03:01.06 | genbie | when you say the native dev tools are only to compile the cross env..you mean they are only useful for my development host pc?? not for the target embedded system? |
| 03:01.18 | TomW | naw, I don't think so. the main thing is to be able to load the gcc & bintools onto your apple. Once you can compile the kernel for the mac and install a new kernel, then you shouldn't have much problems doing cross-dev work. |
| 03:02.16 | genbie | tomw cool..thanx for clarifying that |
| 03:03.03 | TomW | genbie: your native gcc & bintools will build your apole kernel. To do dev work on, say ARM, you need to build a cross compiler & bintools for ARM targets. You simply recompile the gcc & bintools sources so they emit ARM code. |
| 03:03.44 | genbie | tomw thanks..i was a bit confused about that |
| 03:05.10 | genbie | tomw my main concern was if commercial dev tools are avaialble for one host and not for another..but since i am new to thi stuff i dont know how important their role is... |
| 03:06.56 | TomW | commercail stuff is commercial stuff. IMO, commercial dev tools are for those who don't want to learn anything: just plug & pray (call tech support). |
| 03:07.07 | genbie | lol OK |
| 03:07.24 | TomW | genbie: where do you thing the gcc commercial dev tools come from in the first place? |
| 03:07.49 | TomW | sorphin: Compact flash still won't work. :( |
| 03:08.18 | genbie | from gcc.gnu :) |
| 03:09.47 | genbie | thx tomw for your help |
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| 03:57.55 | sorphin | TomW: nod |
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| 11:58.15 | TomW | good morning world |
| 11:59.49 | chouimat | hi TomW |
| 12:01.20 | TomW | chouimat: hello |
| 12:01.44 | TomW | chouimat: got the ethernet chip working on the webpal board last night. |
| 12:02.14 | chouimat | TomW: good ... I will back from vacations next week |
| 12:02.43 | TomW | chouimat: only two jumpers on the board ... so far. |
| 12:02.56 | TomW | chouimat: what is vacation for you? |
| 12:03.36 | chouimat | TomW: I'm currently at the kde conference in nove hrady czech republic and yes the women are HOT here |
| 12:04.59 | TomW | chouimat: wow! czech republic, cool! They let you in there with a Canadian passport? ;) |
| 12:05.15 | chouimat | plus a visa :( |
| 12:05.35 | TomW | chouimat: heh, yeah, prolly had to get visa too, right? |
| 12:06.00 | chouimat | i needed it so I paid 80cad for it |
| 12:06.28 | TomW | chouimat: plus, you also had to swear that you wouldn't be taking any of their women home with you? |
| 12:06.35 | chouimat | nope |
| 12:06.42 | TomW | lol |
| 12:07.03 | chouimat | TomW: but i think klm won't let me bring one in my luggage ;) |
| 12:07.12 | TomW | chouimat: you are having entirely too much fun, stop that! |
| 12:07.51 | TomW | is it expensive to visit there? |
| 12:08.05 | TomW | chouimat: I mean, like the cost of food & such? |
| 12:08.38 | chouimat | actually a 1 cad worth about 20 CZK and a beer is about 15CZK and for food is about 100-200 CZK |
| 12:09.32 | chouimat | it's less expensive because we are not in prague .... we have a room in prague and it's something like 70 euro/nights |
| 12:09.55 | chouimat | TomW: 1 euro is 30 czk |
| 12:10.06 | TomW | they still price stuff in kronos (?) or Euros? |
| 12:10.14 | chouimat | czk |
| 12:10.44 | TomW | hmph, figure all of Europe would be hopping on Euro pricing |
| 12:11.04 | chouimat | so the beer is 0.50 euro, 0.75 cad, 0.66 usd etc ... |
| 12:12.40 | TomW | heh |
| 12:13.29 | chouimat | TomW: a food is about 5 cad with a beer |
| 12:13.37 | chouimat | s/a/and |
| 12:13.37 | TomW | yeah, you need to take a currency convertor along for the first couple of days. But, for you Canadians, it must seem cheap to you not to have to pay the tax on stuff you buy. |
| 12:14.35 | chouimat | TomW: is actually easy we are 2 canadian here and we divided everything by 20, the european by 30 and the american by 25 - 27 |
| 12:15.05 | TomW | chouimat: see, now, you live in czech republic and keep your Canadian citizenship, you would be money ahead. Oh, wait, you only have to goto the U.S. to be able to do that, right? |
| 12:15.19 | TomW | heh |
| 12:15.39 | TomW | that is why there is so many Canadians living in the U.S., I see.. |
| 12:15.41 | chouimat | TomW: I going back home monday ... we are leaving for prague tomorrow morning |
| 12:16.12 | TomW | chouimat: have fun, take lots of pictures and .. be sure to hug one of the pretty women, ok? |
| 12:17.03 | chouimat | TomW: allready done ;) |
| 12:17.23 | TomW | chouimat: good boy, must keep priorities straight! |
| 12:17.45 | chouimat | yup |
| 12:17.50 | TomW | chouimat: all software coding and no babes... |
| 12:18.23 | chouimat | currently we are coding a lot here |
| 12:18.47 | TomW | chouimat: what is it, a "boot camp" to do KDE programming? |
| 12:19.05 | TomW | s/do/learn/ |
| 12:19.16 | chouimat | TomW: hackfest for a week lots of new features |
| 12:19.24 | TomW | cool |
| 12:19.52 | TomW | what, with kdevelop. Teaches you what a .moc file is supposed to be for? |
| 12:20.45 | chouimat | no new stuff in kdevelop like distcc monitoring, embedded support, whiteboard app etc ... |
| 12:21.22 | TomW | ok, kind of a grand tour of the desktop then |
| 12:22.30 | chouimat | TomW: no actually the people here are the actual kde developer so we have talk about new features, and now we are designing new features for our respective pet project |
| 12:27.58 | TomW | chouimat: ok |
| 12:28.44 | TomW | chouimat: well, have fun. I am going back to coding on the webpal. I have to see why the compact flash socket is not working, the 2.5" drive interface is working but that is not. |
| 12:29.44 | chouimat | ok any idea how much this board will cost? |
| 12:58.22 | sorphin | 1,000,000,000 dollars |
| 13:00.45 | TomW | chouimat: haven't tally'ed up the cost yet. The PCB itself is $33, but that is without gold on the edge connector. Some of the components are pricey: SC26L194 Quad UART == $28, LT1331 RS232 chips == $8 per, CS8900 ethernet == $9... |
| 13:01.14 | TomW | sorphin: bugger |
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| 14:13.17 | sieve_work | morning all |
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| 14:36.41 | George`AFK | heya kergoth |
| 14:39.02 | file[wifi] | hi |
| 14:41.02 | kergoth | hey george, josh, et cetera |
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| 14:48.35 | file[wifi] | kergoth: how goes it? |
| 14:48.45 | kergoth | half asleep, but otherwise pretty well |
| 14:48.47 | kergoth | you? |
| 14:49.04 | file[wifi] | trying to digest my dreams lastnight |
| 14:49.09 | chouimat | hey kergoth i will go out for dinner soon so ... |
| 14:49.10 | file[wifi] | I was being chased by rabbits with guns... |
| 14:49.14 | CosmicPenguin | morning |
| 14:49.31 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: afternoon |
| 14:52.00 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: since when did everyone in this room turn snippy? |
| 14:52.36 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: I'm in czech republic till monday so it's afternoon today ;) |
| 14:52.45 | chouimat | s/today/now |
| 14:53.56 | prpplague | file[wifi]: not the one where your standing on a hill surrounded by naked women throwing pickles at your feet? why am i the only one that has that dream? lol |
| 14:54.24 | chouimat | prpplague: actuall it came true here ;) |
| 14:54.25 | file[wifi] | prpplague: did you eat McDonalds that night? |
| 14:54.33 | prpplague | lol |
| 14:54.53 | prpplague | quote from "real genius" |
| 14:55.03 | prpplague | lol, and yea i can't spell |
| 14:55.34 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: excellent quote |
| 14:55.41 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: they need to come out with a 20th anniversary edition of that DVD |
| 14:57.02 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: love that movie |
| 14:57.16 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: They also need to come out with a DVD edition of Top Secret |
| 14:57.23 | chouimat | yup |
| 14:57.42 | CosmicPenguin | Val Kilmer was way more funny before Batman |
| 14:59.33 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: what ever happened to the hyper chick on RG ? |
| 15:00.47 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: she was Gilbert's girlfriend on Revenge of the Nerds |
| 15:01.13 | CosmicPenguin | And IMDB doesn't have her working since 1988 |
| 15:01.19 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: really? i didn't recognize her |
| 15:01.38 | CosmicPenguin | She was one of the Omega-Mus |
| 15:02.19 | chouimat | rg? |
| 15:02.42 | chouimat | hey George- |
| 15:03.01 | George- | chouimat: sod off and ide |
| 15:03.03 | George- | s/ide/die/; |
| 15:03.17 | chouimat | George-: you're so impolite ... |
| 15:07.23 | prpplague | TomW: hey, been swamped, get that sketch to you today |
| 15:07.44 | TomW | prpplague: know the feeling |
| 15:07.47 | prpplague | TomW: got 4 samples of the dimm slot on order |
| 15:08.02 | TomW | prpplague: cool, you need a shipto addr? |
| 15:08.14 | prpplague | TomW: between kids, work, gf, bills, and hacking, i'm worn out |
| 15:08.15 | TomW | prpplague: just send me one |
| 15:08.23 | prpplague | TomW: ok |
| 15:08.27 | TomW | prpplague: don't need 'em all |
| 15:09.02 | prpplague | TomW: as soon as they arrive, i'll forward one to you |
| 15:09.09 | prpplague | TomW: i still have you address iirc |
| 15:10.01 | TomW | ibot: prplague |
| 15:10.02 | | TomW: are you using Windows? |
| 15:10.10 | TomW | ibot: prpplague |
| 15:10.11 | | i heard prpplague is mailto:dave123@abcsinc.com or Dave Anders |
| 15:10.34 | chouimat | prpplague: gf? wow! I'm away for too much time now |
| 15:11.16 | prpplague | chouimat: lol |
| 15:12.56 | chouimat | prpplague: I will be back home monday night ... |
| 15:15.26 | chouimat | and will need some times to adjust to EDT time |
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| 15:34.30 | file[wifi] | hi Tim |
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| 15:35.34 | sjhill_ | !$#@$!#@ IDE DMA |
| 15:47.45 | prpplague | hmmm i really need in on this biz - http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3623519250&category=1251 |
| 15:50.29 | CosmicPenguin | Can they use the goat? |
| 15:55.00 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: probably not |
| 15:55.13 | prpplague | neeeeeed more cofffeeeeee |
| 15:57.07 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: thats a great idea |
| 15:57.34 | CosmicPenguin | Beautiful - a rainy day |
| 15:57.42 | CosmicPenguin | We haven't had one of these months |
| 16:00.55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: kergoth, TimRiker and i will be getting some rain soon today |
| 16:01.28 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i think andersee needs to write a howto for us |
| 16:01.50 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: surviving_on_2_hours_sleep-howto |
| 16:18.41 | Russ | prpplague: been to college? |
| 16:27.45 | file[wifi] | I lived in a college dorm for a week, if I had to live there longer I'd go insane |
| 16:28.22 | prpplague | Russ: yea, but going to college and going work are a little different |
| 16:28.45 | Russ | you didn't go 2 or 3 days without sleep while in college? |
| 16:29.43 | Russ | file[wifi]: I lived in dorms for 4 years |
| 16:29.52 | Russ | file[wifi]: quite enjoyable if you pick the right ones |
| 16:30.26 | CosmicPenguin | You'll learn way more at 3:30 in the morning in a dorm room then you ever will at class |
| 16:30.47 | CosmicPenguin | signal11_: ping |
| 16:31.53 | file[wifi] | pong |
| 16:34.26 | prpplague | wahoo, abcs r&d back open for biz!! |
| 16:34.43 | Russ | koo |
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| 16:43.53 | sjhill_ | so $co is not going to sue linux companies, but i wonder if they still want to sue end users |
| 16:44.08 | Russ | they'll change their mind tomorrow |
| 16:44.17 | Russ | they float a lot of balloons |
| 16:45.22 | CosmicPenguin | That is SCO Australia though |
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| 17:29.28 | CosmicPenguin | (11:28:50) messenger@microsoft.com: You are running a version of messenger that requires an immediate security update. Please visit http://messenger.msn.com/Help/Upgrades.aspx to complete the update. |
| 17:29.43 | CosmicPenguin | Not bloody likely |
| 17:31.17 | file[wifi] | CosmicPenguin: I've just started getting that yesterday... |
| 17:31.23 | file[wifi] | they sent an e-mail too |
| 17:31.35 | CosmicPenguin | Its the *no third parties* push |
| 17:31.57 | file[wifi] | gaim seems pretty confident they won't be affected though |
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| 19:20.24 | sjhill_ | is it me, or did everyone else start getting more spam after the 'osirusoft' fiasco? |
| 19:21.13 | Russ | spamassassian is still doing a good job of filtering |
| 19:21.30 | Russ | about a spam every 2 hours or so |
| 19:21.30 | Russ | er |
| 19:21.37 | Russ | 2 spams an hour or so |
| 19:22.17 | sjhill_ | jeez |
| 19:22.24 | sjhill_ | i only get about 3 spams a day |
| 19:36.06 | Russ | my email is all around the internet |
| 19:36.32 | Russ | add to that, that my work email is a server thats been around since the dawn of webhosting (russ@indirect.com) |
| 19:36.43 | Russ | and then add to that that I also have an alias, spam@asu.edu |
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| 19:37.58 | Russ | afternoon andersee |
| 19:38.14 | andersee | Russ: morning |
| 19:38.15 | andersee | :) |
| 19:39.00 | Russ | sjhill_: spamassassian is a pretty good cure all |
| 19:39.26 | file[wifi] | my ISP blocks most spam... |
| 19:39.43 | Russ | they probably run spamassassian |
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| 19:52.44 | chouimat | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:01.22 | chouimat | http://www.suse.de/~cs/NoveHrady-Aug-2003/Day6 - Budweis/tn/pict1370.jpg.html |
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| 21:00.46 | Russ | dear god the person who wrote blaster was a moron |
| 21:00.53 | Russ | one of the variant names for it was teekid |
| 21:02.11 | Russ | google for teekid |
| 21:05.47 | andersee | http://www.trojanforge.net/ |
| 21:05.48 | andersee | ? |
| 21:05.52 | andersee | bwahahaha |
| 21:06.46 | andersee | Might as well ask them to register in advance with the FBI first, so they can arrest these losers just a little bit faster |
| 21:08.39 | Russ | find the minnisota web site he hacked |
| 21:08.49 | Russ | find his t33kid.com domain, which has his address on it |
| 21:09.03 | Russ | find the membership of various gaming clans named "chaos" |
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| 21:16.05 | CosmicPenguin | Gawd - that guy talks like the Iraqi Information Minister |
| 21:24.03 | CosmicPenguin | People are saying that Madonna kissing Britney Spears was the greatest moment on MTV *ever* |
| 21:58.18 | file[wifi] | CosmicPenguin: I saw that today... |
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| 22:54.51 | jacques | sigh |
| 22:54.54 | jacques | ppl are morons |
| 22:55.05 | George- | jacques: only just realised? |
| 22:55.21 | George- | hell, you've got your own personal moron here in front of you... ME! |
| 22:55.21 | jacques | no I just get reminded every day |
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