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| 02:29.38 | TimRiker | timesys in hiring in Pittsburg or Campbell, CA if anyone is interested |
| 02:29.51 | TimRiker | er s/in/is/ |
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| 03:40.45 | Russ | anyone work with CPLD's? |
| 03:41.15 | MonMotha | can't say that I do |
| 03:50.46 | MonMotha | naw, I guess I didn't blow it up |
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| 14:15.07 | CosmicPenguin | Morning |
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| 14:43.31 | CosmicPenguin | Wow, anyone wanna make $25 million? |
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| 14:47.07 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: morning |
| 14:47.11 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: you still at home? |
| 14:48.24 | kergoth | nah |
| 14:48.29 | kergoth | I dont have net access at home yet |
| 14:48.30 | kergoth | heh |
| 14:48.32 | kergoth | should order it |
| 14:49.27 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: Oh.... your addy came up as dsl.speakeasy.net, and I was hoping TI would spring for more than a DSL line... :) |
| 14:49.44 | kergoth | heheh, remote irssi in a screen |
| 14:49.49 | CosmicPenguin | ic |
| 14:52.34 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: so, whats this bootmenu-dialog thats already hanging out in OZ? |
| 14:52.35 | prpplague | kergoth: no net yet? |
| 14:52.49 | prpplague | kergoth: you getting caught up on bills? |
| 14:56.46 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: an oldd hackish attempt :) |
| 14:56.57 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: so I won't step on anyones toes if it gets replaced? |
| 14:57.08 | kergoth | only mine, and I wanted it replaced |
| 14:57.12 | kergoth | prpplague: heh, thats funny |
| 14:57.18 | kergoth | prpplague: mortgage company fucked me |
| 14:57.25 | prpplague | kergoth: doh |
| 14:57.29 | prpplague | kergoth: they take the house? |
| 14:57.31 | kergoth | they told me I could setup a repayment schedule to get caught up right |
| 14:57.38 | kergoth | andi paid a payment on that plan |
| 14:57.51 | kergoth | then the fuckers went behind my back and forced the previous mortgage company to buy it back from them for being behind |
| 14:58.11 | kergoth | what complete and utter bullshit. i mean why not tell me 'you're fucked' straight up, instead of pretending i can get caught up? |
| 14:58.12 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: those guys will try anything |
| 14:58.38 | kergoth | "excuse me sir, just start that payment schedule, and remember to bend over" |
| 14:58.53 | kergoth | so now i owe the previous mortgage company the full amount, which is like $5200, by the 16th |
| 14:59.37 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: We had somebody try something similar on our fraternity house |
| 14:59.38 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: it sucks |
| 15:01.21 | kergoth | sure does |
| 15:01.25 | kergoth | banks suck |
| 15:03.46 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: is it a true bank, or just a mortage group? |
| 15:04.18 | kergoth | the one that fucked me? dunno. principal mortgage |
| 15:06.17 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: prolly a mortage company - some "banks" put up a pool of money, and then pay people to go out and sign loans against it |
| 15:06.59 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: Not quite the same as an honest to goodness, brick and mortar, funds garenteed by FDIC sort of bank |
| 15:12.33 | sjhill | kergoth: i had 2 mortgages with principal, but apparently mine went better, sorry to hear about your bad luck :( |
| 15:12.41 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: which frat? |
| 15:13.09 | prpplague | kergoth: jeeze |
| 15:13.12 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: sigma phi epsilon |
| 15:13.19 | prpplague | kergoth: time to start selling that blood plasma |
| 15:13.19 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: buncha ungrateful bastards |
| 15:14.00 | kergoth | prpplague: going to have to borrow from a relative. i hate that. |
| 15:14.16 | prpplague | kergoth: yea, i know what you mean |
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| 15:19.24 | prpplague | kergoth: been there done that |
| 15:19.51 | prpplague | kergoth: at one point when i had my computer stores, i had $250,000 debt |
| 15:20.56 | kergoth | ouch |
| 15:21.14 | prpplague | kergoth: of course i paid everything off, but i told myself i'd never do that again and sold my stores off |
| 15:23.38 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: see, heres a perfect example - THe mortage company we had tried their hardest to get rid of our loan, but when we finally secure a refinance, they charge us $20,000 for a prepayment penalty |
| 15:24.16 | CosmicPenguin | So now, even if we refinance, we will still owe our old mortage company almost $15,000 dollars |
| 15:24.34 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: what bullshit |
| 15:24.46 | CosmicPenguin | Which pretty much means we can't refinance - so the old company is stuck with a loan they don't want |
| 15:29.19 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: ? |
| 15:29.56 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: my last comment about the mortage just went down about 5 minutes ago |
| 15:30.38 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: Three of us have spent about 100 hours to secure all the documents and stuff for the refinance, and now we can't go through with it |
| 15:31.40 | kergoth | ahh |
| 15:34.55 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: hey there mr |
| 15:35.09 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: how is your uber pda stuff going ? |
| 15:35.32 | mallum | prpplague: hi to you too sir |
| 15:35.36 | prpplague | mallum: hey there |
| 15:35.41 | prpplague | mallum: been awhile |
| 15:35.57 | prpplague | mallum: job has kept me working on boring stuff lately |
| 15:36.22 | prpplague | mallum: i think i've read k&r c book about 50 times on planes lately |
| 15:36.40 | mallum | prpplague: hehe |
| 15:37.10 | mallum | prpplague: I like 'expect c programming' which takes lots of pot shots at k&r for its mistakes |
| 15:38.23 | prpplague | mallum: lol, not seen that one, i'll have get on amazon |
| 15:38.36 | mallum | prpplague: yeah its pretty good |
| 15:38.45 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: http://www.cosmicpenguin.net/bootmenu/ |
| 15:38.46 | prpplague | mallum: i need to read "practice of programming" about another 50 times |
| 15:38.59 | CosmicPenguin | I've got much better stuff coming soon - plugins and everything |
| 15:46.14 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: no screenshot ? |
| 15:46.45 | kergoth | prpplague: heh, i should read half my books a first time.. never have time :) |
| 15:46.47 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: not right now. |
| 15:47.11 | prpplague | kergoth: i know |
| 15:47.14 | prpplague | kergoth: same here |
| 15:47.14 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: we just have two menu plugins now. A basic text one (with no dependancies), and a ncurses based menu |
| 15:47.36 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: at some point, I want to do a graphical one, but thats in the future |
| 15:47.40 | kergoth | i'll talk to one of the OE/OZ devs |
| 15:47.45 | kergoth | he's working very very closely with teh libFB maintainer |
| 15:47.54 | kergoth | on our first bootup status display |
| 15:48.07 | kergoth | i'll see if he wants to write that plugin, once you get me the details on the plugin interface |
| 15:48.22 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: cool. I notied that libFB isn't being build right now, but that would be easy to add. I would love to see an menu with the OZ logo |
| 15:49.06 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: and as I was shopping last night, I figured out an example of a plugin requiring specific configuration - The graphical plugin may need to know where the image file is located... |
| 15:49.18 | CosmicPenguin | So that might have to be re-arranged |
| 15:49.52 | kergoth | ah yeah, good point |
| 15:50.40 | mallum | kergoth: libfb graphical boot status ? |
| 15:51.22 | kergoth | mallum: he's writing a set of tools to be run from init scripts that communicate with a gui server, for things like percentage bars and the like during boot |
| 15:51.38 | mallum | ah cool :-) |
| 15:51.54 | kergoth | mallum: .. if we make init call it directly, then we have a graphical display of whats being started, adn perhaps even a key to abort the boot at any given point and drop to a shell; |
| 15:51.58 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: that communicate with a server? |
| 15:52.09 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: only needed for need(8) based inits |
| 15:52.15 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: which can have multiple startup scripts running at one time |
| 15:52.19 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: oh.. otherwise it goes straight to FB? |
| 15:52.22 | kergoth | yep |
| 15:52.34 | kergoth | the server just needs to manage the multiple simultanious requests for dislpay |
| 15:52.39 | CosmicPenguin | Sure |
| 15:53.06 | mallum | kergoth: libfb is like a really small sdl ? |
| 15:53.15 | kergoth | this is all actually raster's idea, he brought up the coolness of a graphical init, and happened to mention it to one of the oe devs |
| 15:53.24 | kergoth | mallum: yeah, its just a really really small fb access lib |
| 15:53.49 | kergoth | I'd like to see his graphical init plugin based as well.. maybe you guys should coordinate the plugin for display |
| 15:53.52 | kergoth | eh? |
| 15:54.26 | CosmicPenguin | sure... my plugin is embarressingly simple, though.... |
| 15:54.57 | kergoth | well yeah, his would be more complex, but since we're basically doing the same thing, abstracting the underlying display method.. |
| 15:55.32 | CosmicPenguin | Mine just passes in a list of applications, and then waits for the display method return the selected application |
| 15:55.48 | kergoth | oh thats cool, nice and simple |
| 15:56.03 | CosmicPenguin | If you are building the method in statically, then the module exposes do_bootmenu() to the main app |
| 15:56.15 | CosmicPenguin | otherwise, do_bootmenu() just calls the approrpiate hook from the loaded plugin |
| 15:56.25 | kergoth | sounds good |
| 15:57.12 | CosmicPenguin | Right now, I'm trying to figure out how to integrate the whole thing into OZ |
| 15:57.44 | kergoth | hmm |
| 15:58.05 | kergoth | there's one major concern here, if the bootmenu isnt installed but you have the bootmenu inittab, you're hosed. |
| 15:58.35 | kergoth | :) |
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| 16:00.48 | file[work] | stupid schedule |
| 16:01.48 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: exactly. Also, how do we come to an easy medium between installing gettys on some terminals, and bootmenu on others? |
| 16:02.10 | kergoth | we need another tool |
| 16:02.12 | kergoth | above bootmenu |
| 16:02.16 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:02.18 | file[work] | grrrr this school is only on ADSL |
| 16:02.20 | CosmicPenguin | I'm wondering, do you think it would be possible to use menuconfig to help us build a inittab, or would that be hella complicatd? |
| 16:02.22 | kergoth | that just spawns the default app on a vt |
| 16:02.24 | kergoth | thats it |
| 16:02.34 | kergoth | if bootmenu isnt installed that is |
| 16:02.39 | kergoth | otherwise it calls it |
| 16:02.50 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: that could be a script, I guess |
| 16:02.57 | kergoth | yeah |
| 16:03.12 | kergoth | a tiny little vtspawn shell script or something |
| 16:03.24 | kergoth | but it needs to set your vt env var so the app runs right, same way your bootmenu does |
| 16:03.48 | CosmicPenguin | right |
| 16:04.38 | kergoth | that was the way i planned on implementing it back then, you can see that concern is on my list of needs from the bootmenu |
| 16:04.42 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:04.50 | CosmicPenguin | Its complicated, there is no doubt about that. Not only do we need to figure out how to let the user decide how the ttys are used |
| 16:05.22 | CosmicPenguin | but we also need to figure out how to install the right apps on the right ttys |
| 16:05.48 | kergoth | yep. well, use priority to indicate default on a per vt basis, and the user can rearrange the files if they want to change that |
| 16:06.00 | CosmicPenguin | For example, in my case, I would like to have Pixil and Opie on the same device, but have pixil start up automatically, and select opie from a menu on tty2 |
| 16:06.15 | CosmicPenguin | How do you specify something like that without hand hacking? :) |
| 16:06.26 | kergoth | you dont. look at sysvinit for gods skae |
| 16:06.27 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:06.39 | kergoth | hmmm |
| 16:07.51 | kergoth | its either files in the fs, or a config file.. i cant think of any other way of specifying.. |
| 16:12.24 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: I guess we could bail on getty all around |
| 16:12.39 | CosmicPenguin | and either use bootmenu or your script instead |
| 16:13.25 | kergoth | right, let the high level script spawn the getty if getty is the highest priority item on those vts |
| 16:13.36 | kergoth | and we can control those vt dirs at build time easier than inittab |
| 16:13.36 | kergoth | .. |
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| 16:22.27 | CosmicPenguin | Much easier |
| 16:23.16 | CosmicPenguin | We don't even need to do getty, if we don't want - bootmenu should set up the VT correctly |
| 16:23.31 | CosmicPenguin | You could go straight to login, or even sh (do people really want to log in anyway?) |
| 16:24.30 | Russ | heh |
| 16:24.43 | Russ | qualcomm has one of those stupid "you message contains a virus" email bots |
| 16:25.36 | MornWork | hi folks |
| 16:27.00 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: I'd say do getty. |
| 16:31.14 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: might as well, it comes for free |
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| 16:48.08 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: I'm going to finish up what I have for bootmenu. Think about how you want to implement in OZ, and let me know |
| 16:48.19 | CosmicPenguin | I have to fix Nano-X anyway |
| 16:50.17 | kergoth | okay, cool |
| 17:04.14 | CosmicPenguin | Go ahead and talk to your buddy about libfb, but I might download it and mess with it myself too - it wouldn't hurt to play |
| 17:04.32 | kergoth | k |
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| 17:24.12 | file[work] | I feel icky, I'm logged onto a Netware 4.11 server |
| 17:25.03 | kergoth | ~fishslap file[work] |
| 17:25.06 | | ACTION slaps file[work] up side the head with a wet fish. |
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| 17:34.28 | file[work] | hi andersee |
| 17:35.33 | andersee | file[work]: morning |
| 17:48.24 | CosmicPenguin | mmm... mint chocolate chip |
| 17:52.51 | file[work] | oh my mom is taking me to McDonalds, I totally forgot |
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| 18:12.40 | CosmicPenguin | :( |
| 18:12.44 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: libfb doesn't support 8 bit |
| 18:15.01 | file[work] | bbl |
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| 18:45.03 | Russ | anyone do cplds? |
| 18:47.38 | prpplague | Russ: i don't do drugs, lol |
| 18:48.15 | Russ | I'm just lookin' for an 8-ball man |
| 18:48.26 | Russ | maybe a nickel bag? |
| 18:49.03 | prpplague | Russ: lol, "hey man..... i got some good stuff, pop a couple of these cplds and you good to go!" |
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| 21:01.21 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: http://www.cosmicpenguin.net/pub/bootmenu/bootmenu-0.6.tar.gz |
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| 23:36.34 | andersee | Russ: http://www.linksys.com/support/gpl.asp |
| 23:37.03 | andersee | Russ: http://www.linksys.com/support/opensourcecode/wrt54g/udhcp.tgz |
| 23:37.11 | file | congrats |
| 23:37.25 | andersee | file: well, its a start |
| 23:37.43 | andersee | file: But they are certainly not out of the woods quite yet |
| 23:38.15 | file | andersee: hehe |
| 23:38.56 | andersee | file: They have linked some GPL'd code into their closed source bits... |
| 23:39.52 | file | how did you notice that GPL page btw... did they e-mail you back with it? |
| 23:40.12 | andersee | file: someone just sent me the url |
| 23:40.22 | file | neat |