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`00:36.19`	`chouimat\|food`	`hi tim`
`00:37.41`	`file`	`tomorrow is Thursday, I'm glad the week is slowly ending...`
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`01:16.18`	`chouimat`	`this vpn is getting on my nerve`
`01:17.32`	`file`	`chouimat: :(`
`01:18.48`	`sorphin`	`chouimat: vpns are our job ;P`
`01:19.26`	`chouimat`	`sorphin: I know but I think it's time I change job :P`
`01:20.12`	`chouimat`	`sorphin: I can't use linux on that think so I'm wrestling to embed FreeBSD`
`01:20.41`	`sorphin`	`nod`
`01:21.00`	`sorphin`	`chouimat: why can't you use linux? it'll run on anything that's worth running something on g`
`01:21.12`	`chouimat`	`sorphin: Boss choice`
`01:21.37`	`chouimat`	`sorphin: so we don't have to provide the sources`
`01:22.15`	`sorphin`	`nod`
`01:22.53`	`chouimat`	`sorphin: the standard config works very wells but that one sucks`
`01:24.33`	`chouimat`	`sorphin: I must put the new config on 2 production hosts tonight`
`01:24.37`	`sorphin`	`nod`
`01:24.59`	`chouimat`	`and do the testing for 8am`
`01:25.47`	`chouimat`	`so I wonn't sleep tonight again`
`01:26.51`	`sorphin`	`nod`
`01:28.41`	`chouimat`	`sorphin: so I'm writing some pluggins for kdevelop3 to pass time`
`01:33.38`	`sorphin`	`and now he's off to think about celine in the shower :P`
`01:33.57`	`chouimat\|shower`	`sorphin: no Isabelle is here :P`
`01:38.30`	`sorphin`	`who?`
`01:38.38`	`sorphin`	`chouimat\|shower: your stuffed sheep?`
`01:39.01`	`chouimat\|shower`	`sorphin: a really good friend ... not my gf because I don't have one`
`01:40.11`	`sorphin`	`uh huh`
`01:40.21`	`sorphin`	`chouimat\|shower: go take your cold shower now :P`
`01:40.53`	`chouimat\|shower`	`sorphin: :)`
`01:49.46`	`Morn`	`sorphin: I'm lovin' TMDGEnc DVD Author`
`01:50.43`	`sorphin`	`Morn: cool, i have 100 riteks arriving monday`
`01:50.54`	`Morn`	`awesome`
`01:51.05`	`Morn`	`I cleared off most of a 120gig drive that was full of video`
`01:51.32`	`sorphin`	`nod`
`01:52.24`	`Morn`	`I have 2 120's and want to get a 3rd`
`01:53.58`	`sorphin`	`they had 160's for 99 after rebate at compuseless monday`
`01:54.05`	`Morn`	`cool`
`01:55.16`	`Morn`	`I have one more place (because I have both an on board IDE and a add on ATA/133 IDE controller)`
`01:57.30`	`sorphin`	`nod`
`01:57.41`	`Morn`	`well I'm off to bed... I've been really sick recently`
`02:02.03`	`sorphin`	`cya, feel better`
`02:09.52`	`MonMotha`	`ok, now if I could just figure out what this chip is`
`02:10.33`	`sorphin`	`MonMotha: eh?`
`02:10.51`	`MonMotha`	`the "ST" thing is Thompson, right?`
`02:10.57`	`sorphin`	`no`
`02:11.04`	`MonMotha`	`who makes those?`
`02:11.16`	`sorphin`	`what's the #? :P`
`02:11.25`	`MonMotha`	`91N718`
`02:11.40`	`MonMotha`	`I've identified everythign else on this board, except this...nothign else was of direct interest`
`02:12.28`	`sorphin`	`fyi`
`02:12.45`	`sorphin`	`ST = ST Microelectronics`
`02:12.50`	`MonMotha`	`ah, that works`
`02:13.00`	`MonMotha`	`what's thompson'`
`02:13.03`	`MonMotha`	`s little thing again?`
`02:13.14`	`sorphin`	`garbage? ;)`
`02:13.20`	`MonMotha`	`heh`
`02:13.34`	`sorphin`	`don't think i've seen an actual thompson chip before`
`02:14.05`	`MonMotha`	`I have one laying around somewhere (at least it should be a Thompson unless it had previously been changed out for another manuf.'s clone; I changed it out for a Dallas because I can get those free :)`
`02:14.28`	`sorphin`	`yeah`
`02:14.35`	`sorphin`	`my PIC is waiting at fedex atm`
`02:14.43`	`MonMotha`	`I'd like to find out what that chip is...there almost has to be an ADC on the board somewhere...either that or this little temp sensor isn't actually hooked up to the I2C bus`
`02:16.15`	`sorphin`	`well, whatever that chip is, google can't match it..`
`02:16.19`	`sorphin`	`try calling ST ?`
`02:16.27`	`MonMotha`	`I've debated it`
`02:16.52`	`MonMotha`	`the board also has two I2C GPIO thinigies on it...both with the same (but configurable) slave address`
`02:21.49`	`sorphin`	`nod`
`02:22.29`	`MonMotha`	`what's ST's web site`
`02:22.29`	`MonMotha`	`?`
`02:22.47`	`sorphin`	`you're joking right?`
`02:22.59`	`sorphin`	`www.st.com`
`02:23.16`	`MonMotha`	`heh`
`02:24.02`	`sorphin`	`:P`
`02:43.33`	`MonMotha`	`now if I could just figure out what it is`
`02:48.21`	`sorphin`	`prolly something they stopped making :P`
`02:48.26`	`sorphin`	`hence why we can't find it`
`02:50.56`	`MonMotha`	`yeah...I hate people who remove documentation when they EOL something`
`02:50.59`	`MonMotha`	`Cirrus is really bad at that`
`02:51.42`	`sorphin`	`most do`
`02:51.49`	`sorphin`	`intel sometimes does`
`02:52.17`	`MonMotha`	`Samsung keeps their docs around for a while, but not forever`
`02:52.40`	`MonMotha`	`I have a SRAM chip that's been EOL for like 8 years that the docs are not to be found for (I actually emailed and asked and they said there was no chance that they had them anymore)`
`02:52.57`	`sorphin`	`nod`
`02:53.02`	`MonMotha`	`obviously they don't cater to people trying to rev engineer stuff :)`
`02:53.13`	`sorphin`	`duh`
`02:53.41`	`MonMotha`	`heh`
`02:54.06`	`MonMotha`	`I'd just like to know what it is, and a pinout would be useful (but once I know what it is, that can probably be determined)`
`02:54.06`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`02:54.29`	`sorphin`	`nod`
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`02:57.20`	`sorphin`	`oh no, it's that jacques character`
`03:01.39`	`MonMotha`	`does or has ST ever made ADCs?`
`03:03.40`	`sorphin`	`no idea`
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`03:04.11`	`sorphin`	`MonMotha: i only know them, and a few other places for flash`
`03:04.15`	`sorphin`	`cuz that's all i've used em for`
`03:04.41`	`Speedy2`	`De-brick the Z?`
`03:05.21`	`sorphin`	`Speedy2: yes`
`03:05.27`	`Speedy2`	`Cool. How?`
`03:05.28`	`sorphin`	`turns out it wasn't really bricked`
`03:05.43`	`sorphin`	`i hopped into the diag menu once i found out there was one :P`
`03:05.53`	`sorphin`	`and found the only thing dead was the zimage partition`
`03:05.57`	`Speedy2`	`Ah`
`03:05.57`	`sorphin`	`which is the one i was mucking w/`
`03:06.02`	`Speedy2`	`Lucky you :)`
`03:06.04`	`sorphin`	`so i trashed my cradle for nothin :P`
`03:06.10`	`Speedy2`	`Good think you didn't muck the boot`
`03:06.36`	`sorphin`	`damn thing acts like my old laptop ethernet dongle :P`
`03:06.49`	`sorphin`	`put weight on the conn, it makes contact and is fine`
`03:06.57`	`sorphin`	`otherwise it's intermittant at best :P`
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`03:29.44`	`jacques`	`ah I'm back`
`03:29.52`	`jacques`	`my daily DSL outage has abated`
`03:41.06`	`jacques`	`hmm or maybe not`
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`05:19.49`	`Russ`	`chouimat: is it an issue with fufme.com?`
`05:20.03`	`Russ`	`er, wait, thats not it`
`05:20.19`	`Russ`	`http://www.onzin.nl/fufme/index.shtml.htm`
`05:20.23`	`Russ`	`there we go`
`05:23.22`	`Russ`	`they have an FAQ there, so hopefully you'll be able to solve your fucking network problem`
`05:23.30`	`chouimat`	`Russ: no vpn now working ... fixed a trouble but got another`
`05:43.30`	`sorphin`	`Russ: changed the library to have the correct crap on the correct pin`
`05:56.49`	`Russ`	`what was the component`
`05:57.13`	`sorphin`	`74HCT573N`
`05:58.34`	`Russ`	`I don't have that in my little book`
`05:58.39`	`Russ`	`all I have is a 574`
`05:59.01`	`Russ`	`ummm...sorphin`
`05:59.02`	`sorphin`	`it's in the EU library`
`05:59.08`	`sorphin`	`in eagle`
`05:59.20`	`Russ`	`I need you to put the crap pipe down, and step back from the computer`
`05:59.31`	`Russ`	`'4HC/HCT573; Octal D-type transparent latch'`
`05:59.43`	`sorphin`	`yeah`
`05:59.53`	`sorphin`	`i know what it is`
`05:59.57`	`Russ`	`It's an octal latch, it doesn't matter what order you put the inputs in as long as they match up with the outputs`
`06:00.05`	`sorphin`	`i know`
`06:00.13`	`sorphin`	`i just wanted the schematic to be correct :P`
`06:00.25`	`sorphin`	`seeing as the datasheet for the damn chip`
`06:00.31`	`sorphin`	`starts w/ 0D/0Q`
`06:00.35`	`sorphin`	`and not 1D/1Q`
`06:00.51`	`Russ`	`sigh...it would start with Da, Db, Dc, for all I care`
`06:00.57`	`sorphin`	`hehe`
`06:01.07`	`sorphin`	`Russ: you'd laugh at my schematic anyways`
`06:01.08`	`Russ`	`s/would/could/`
`06:01.11`	`sorphin`	`it's crowded as fsck`
`06:01.20`	`Russ`	`make some pages, use nets`
`06:01.31`	`Russ`	`you don't have to connect things, just name them`
`06:01.34`	`sorphin`	`that's what i was wondering about`
`06:01.41`	`sorphin`	`i'm an eagle newbie`
`06:01.49`	`Russ`	`as long as they are named the same, they are connected`
`06:01.57`	`Russ`	`busses and stuff like that are just for looks`
`06:02.23`	`Russ`	`its preferable to name nets anyway, so that when you route it, you can look up nets quickly`
`06:02.59`	`Russ`	`then, instead of connecting A31-0 to A31-0 on another chip, you just copy/paste the little stubs`
`06:03.18`	`sorphin`	`if you want a laugh i'll dcc it over :P`
`06:03.27`	`Russ`	`I don't have eagle, I use gschem`
`06:03.33`	`sorphin`	`tho 3 connections still need to be done, i'd forgotten about em :P`
`06:03.37`	`sorphin`	`ah`
`06:04.47`	`Russ`	`course, I probably also deal with much larger components`
`06:04.53`	`sorphin`	`hehe`
`06:05.08`	`sorphin`	`this only has 3 chips, a 72 pin simm socket and a 40 pin header`
`06:05.11`	`Russ`	`I break em up into functional units though, helps a lot`
`06:05.19`	`Russ`	`ah, wazzit do?`
`06:05.26`	`Russ`	`flash webpal stuff?`
`06:05.35`	`sorphin`	`it's the 2nd board on bigbrds flash programmer thing`
`06:05.35`	`sorphin`	`yeah`
`06:05.40`	`sorphin`	`did the schem for kicks`
`06:05.46`	`Russ`	`ah, send me a link`
`06:05.56`	`sorphin`	`least i figured out how to get the damn layout OUT of expresspcb :P`
`06:06.06`	`Russ`	`are you going to use olimex?`
`06:06.15`	`sorphin`	`?`
`06:06.19`	`Russ`	`run.to/pcb`
`06:06.51`	`Russ`	`I'm having them do some shanips, jtag boards, and serial level converter thingies`
`06:07.00`	`Russ`	`if you want to add those to your panel, I can send you gerbers`
`06:07.50`	`Russ`	`(they do panelization free)`
`06:07.53`	`sorphin`	`heh, 26$`
`06:08.00`	`sorphin`	`yeah, i see that`
`06:08.09`	`Russ`	`ya, I paid 31 because I had about 1200 drill holes in my panel`
`06:08.22`	`sorphin`	`Russ: fyi http://webpal.bigbrd.com/programmer.html`
`06:08.30`	`sorphin`	`uses a PIC on the 1st board`
`06:08.36`	`sorphin`	`mine's sitting at fedex atm`
`06:08.38`	`sorphin`	`waiting for me`
`06:08.44`	`Russ`	`I'm designing something with a pic right now`
`06:08.50`	`Russ`	`philips 8051 thingy`
`06:08.52`	`sorphin`	`16F877A`
`06:08.57`	`sorphin`	`tho he used a non A`
`06:09.02`	`sorphin`	`Microchip sampled the A`
`06:09.05`	`sorphin`	`so i got one`
`06:09.09`	`sorphin`	`it adds 2 comparators`
`06:09.20`	`sorphin`	`but it was free and they fedex'd it, so...`
`06:09.23`	`Russ`	`why not program the chip with the webpal?`
`06:09.35`	`sorphin`	`uhhh`
`06:09.39`	`sorphin`	`with what means? :P`
`06:09.42`	`sorphin`	`the simms are blank`
`06:09.49`	`sorphin`	`the cirrus has no hardware jtag`
`06:10.04`	`Russ`	`I thought you could break in via gdb`
`06:10.10`	`sorphin`	`you can`
`06:10.12`	`sorphin`	`except`
`06:10.13`	`sorphin`	`:P`
`06:10.15`	`sorphin`	`that code`
`06:10.19`	`sorphin`	`is in the simm`
`06:10.19`	`sorphin`	`;)`
`06:10.34`	`sorphin`	`once your simm is toasted`
`06:10.45`	`sorphin`	`you're bricked unless you have an external means`
`06:11.07`	`Russ`	`you could make the board simplier if you only used 8 data lines and 20 address lines`
`06:11.42`	`sorphin`	`that still in 16bit mode?`
`06:12.00`	`sorphin`	`the simm is hardwired for 16bit the damn byte pin is wired under* the chip)`
`06:12.08`	`Russ`	`if you program it in 8 bit mode, you just have double the addresses`
`06:12.11`	`Russ`	`oh`
`06:12.37`	`sorphin`	`yhea, originally i was gonna do a hack and 8bit mode it`
`06:12.42`	`sorphin`	`but the more i looked at this`
`06:12.45`	`sorphin`	`i decided fsck it`
`06:12.51`	`sorphin`	`it's costing me < $20 total`
`06:13.00`	`Russ`	`with pcb?`
`06:13.09`	`sorphin`	`etching it myself`
`06:13.13`	`sorphin`	`scary innit ;)`
`06:13.14`	`Russ`	`ah`
`06:13.17`	`Russ`	`crazy`
`06:13.32`	`sorphin`	`Russ: it's only 1 5x3 doublesided board`
`06:13.38`	`sorphin`	`if it were more, i'd agree`
`06:13.41`	`Russ`	`I would probabaly just use 3 16 bit latches, and no pic`
`06:13.55`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`06:13.57`	`sorphin`	`how?`
`06:14.04`	`Russ`	`with a parallel port`
`06:14.27`	`sorphin`	`as i just told a friend`
`06:14.30`	`Russ`	`one half of one of the latches is control (ce, oe, we, and latch selection)`
`06:14.32`	`sorphin`	`i'm using the already paved route ;)`
`06:14.40`	`Russ`	`one whole latch is data`
`06:14.50`	`Russ`	`another whole latch, and the other half of the first one is address`
`06:15.25`	`sorphin`	`including already written code`
`06:15.27`	`sorphin`	`;)`
`06:15.36`	`sorphin`	`you're mr hardware interface coder`
`06:15.47`	`Russ`	`its more fun that way`
`06:15.59`	`sorphin`	`Russ: i just now how to throw commands at a flash chip via mmap :P`
`06:16.46`	`Russ`	`or you could use a 40 pin cpld (or other chip) that is equipted with jtag in boundry scan mode`
`06:18.01`	`sorphin`	`Russ: i'm like the guy in the wizard of oz, the dude behind the curtain :P it just looks like i understand more than i do :P`
`06:18.37`	`Russ`	`nothing is learned unless you do stuff you don't know`
`06:19.37`	`sorphin`	`Russ: true, but it generally helps me if i have some basis.. hell, your code was turning into greek to me, that's why i'd given up on it for the Z before`
`06:21.30`	`Russ`	`there is other code out there`
`06:23.21`	`sorphin`	`ROTFL`
`06:23.24`	`sorphin`	`SCO just won't learn`
`06:23.27`	`sorphin`	`An anonymous reader writes "[Darl McBride, SCO's chief executive stated] that unless more companies start licensing SCO's property, he may also sue Linus Torvalds, who is credited with inventing the Linux operating system, for patent infringement."`
`06:27.17`	`sorphin`	`and novell's bitchslapping SCO about SYSV`
`06:29.40`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`06:29.58`	`Russ`	`http://www.opteronics.com/opteron-cluster.htm`
`06:30.19`	`sorphin`	`i'm waiting to be able to BUY a fscking Opteron :P`
`06:30.22`	`sorphin`	`i've been waiting for it`
`06:34.28`	`Russ`	`buy two`
`06:34.58`	`sorphin`	`hehe`
`06:35.16`	`sorphin`	`they gotta be buyable 1st`
`06:35.26`	`Russ`	`tyan has a mobo`
`06:35.56`	`sorphin`	`yeah`
`06:36.03`	`Russ`	`rioworks and msi do too`
`06:36.09`	`sorphin`	`they usually do`
`06:36.18`	`sorphin`	`before you can publically buy the damn cpu ;p`
`06:39.25`	`Russ`	`http://store.yahoo.com/directron/opteron242.html`
`06:39.52`	`Russ`	`http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?submit=Go&description=N82E16819103387`
`06:40.13`	`Russ`	`https://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=M&Product_Code=120803&Category_Code=P`
`06:40.26`	`sorphin`	`ok ok :P`
`06:41.09`	`Russ`	`they go as low as 299`
`06:41.35`	`Russ`	`free shipping too`
`06:41.46`	`Russ`	`free t-shirt too`
`06:41.50`	`sorphin`	`uhh`
`06:42.01`	`sorphin`	`how the hell can you go from $759 to 299?`
`06:42.15`	`Russ`	`240 vs 242`
`06:42.23`	`sorphin`	`what's the diff?`
`06:42.43`	`Russ`	`shrug`
`06:42.49`	`Russ`	`1.4GHz vs 1.6GHz?`
`06:42.58`	`sorphin`	`uhh`
`06:43.19`	`sorphin`	`no wonder that giga hertz :P`
`06:44.15`	`sorphin`	`$460 for .2Ghz.. i hope that's not the only diff, or that's really really sad`
`06:44.26`	`Russ`	`news stuff is like that`
`06:44.44`	`Russ`	`http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=opteron+242&btnG=Froogle+Search`
`06:44.50`	`Russ`	`er, new stuff`
`06:45.42`	`Russ`	`get two of those along with a mobo, and 18GB of DDR, some drives, and you get up in price pretty quick`
`06:45.55`	`Russ`	`to around the cost of the 386 when it was new`
`06:45.56`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`06:45.57`	`sorphin`	`18G`
`06:46.07`	`sorphin`	`that's more than the new sun V480's i just installed`
`06:46.13`	`sorphin`	`they have 8G`
`06:46.20`	`sorphin`	`and cost $30k`
`06:46.32`	`Russ`	`these are actually cheaper then`
`06:47.42`	`sorphin`	`4x900mhz USIIIs`
`06:47.46`	`sorphin`	`2 36G`
`06:47.47`	`sorphin`	`8G ram`
`06:47.55`	`sorphin`	`each USIII has 8M cache`
`06:48.52`	`sorphin`	`oh, and 2 nics, not that those matter`
`07:11.42`	`sorphin`	`heh, autoroute's kinda neat`
`07:11.42`	`MonMotha`	`yeah, high end ultrasparcs have a lot more cache than any x86 I've seen`
`07:12.30`	`sorphin`	`yeah`
`07:12.50`	`MonMotha`	`they make them with 32MB, don't they?`
`07:13.06`	`sorphin`	`i dunno`
`07:13.11`	`sorphin`	`i'd have to ask my friend gavin`
`07:13.14`	`sorphin`	`he works for sun`
`07:13.21`	`MonMotha`	`heh, would be sweet to be able to run an X server entirely in on-chip cache :)`
`07:13.34`	`MonMotha`	`a modern X server that is (like XFree86)`
`07:13.52`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`07:14.08`	`sorphin`	`i pity any processor forced to run XBloat86`
`07:14.22`	`sorphin`	`Russ: indeed`
`07:14.36`	`MonMotha`	`well, yeah`
`07:14.56`	`MonMotha`	`would still be neat to say "yeah, and I'm runnign XFree86 entirely on my CPU's cache" :)`
`07:15.11`	`sorphin`	`MonMotha: till they took you out back and beat some sense into you ;)`
`07:15.11`	`MonMotha`	`unfortunately you'd have to double it to fit mozilla :( (that thing's HUGE)`
`07:15.18`	`MonMotha`	`sorphin: heh :)`
`07:15.27`	`MonMotha`	`I never identified that one chip btw`
`07:15.32`	`sorphin`	`~cluebat MonMotha`
`07:15.33`		`ACTION pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps MonMotha.`
`07:15.33`	`sorphin`	`;)`
`07:15.49`	`sorphin`	`ibot: snack`
`07:15.50`		`Cross-platform sound extension for Tcl. URL: http://www.speech.kth.se/snack/`
`07:15.50`	`MonMotha`	`oh, btw...how does one identify the polarity of a tantalum cap?`
`07:15.58`	`sorphin`	`MonMotha: umm`
`07:16.06`	`sorphin`	`MonMotha: look for the little + sign :P`
`07:16.17`	`MonMotha`	`all this one has is a bunch of colors :)`
`07:16.19`	`sorphin`	`really tiny, but usually is one`
`07:16.27`	`sorphin`	`near the lead`
`07:16.34`	`MonMotha`	`I've definiately looked, no +`
`07:16.48`	`MonMotha`	`or - for that matter :)`
`07:16.51`	`sorphin`	`how big?`
`07:16.56`	`Russ`	`look for a bar`
`07:17.20`	`Russ`	`or if there is any letters, or numbers, up is +`
`07:17.55`	`MonMotha`	`well, it's got a blue stripe down one side, all the way around the rest are other colors (which I had to look up to verify the capacitance)`
`07:18.26`	`sorphin`	`uhh`
`07:18.32`	`sorphin`	`never seen one like that before`
`07:18.53`	`Russ`	`I don't think its smd`
`07:19.00`	`MonMotha`	`want me to take a picture of it? :)`
`07:19.07`	`MonMotha`	`oh no, certainly through hole`
`07:19.18`	`sorphin`	`and have a mark :P`
`07:19.26`	`sorphin`	`MonMotha: yes, take a pic if you can make it fast :P`
`07:20.07`	`MonMotha`	`ok, 1 sec`
`07:20.09`	`sorphin`	`never had one w/o a mark myself`
`07:20.17`	`sorphin`	`otherwise i'd use my meter if i did ;)`
`07:23.26`	`sorphin`	`ya know, as slow as monmotha seems to be at things, i could crack RC5-72 w/ a webpal :P`
`07:23.27`	`MonMotha`	`http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/~monmotha/s3500.jpg`
`07:23.46`	`Russ`	`the blue strip would be +`
`07:24.13`	`sorphin`	`yeah`
`07:24.17`	`MonMotha`	`give me a break, I had to unmount my CF card, get my camera out, put the card in it, go to another room, put the cap under the mag glass, focus the cam, take the pic, turn all the lights off, come back in, turn off camera, remove card, mount card, copy to server, paste URL`
`07:24.18`	`MonMotha`	`heh :)`
`07:24.21`	`MonMotha`	`Russ: that's what I thought, thc`
`07:24.23`	`MonMotha`	`er thx`
`07:24.25`	`sorphin`	`Russ: 1st time i've ever seem caps looking like that`
`07:24.42`	`MonMotha`	`heh, place by me has a whole box full of em`
`07:24.46`	`Russ`	`its called "through hole techonogly"`
`07:24.50`	`sorphin`	`mon; grr, wonder why`
`07:24.51`	`Russ`	`it was use by the ancients`
`07:24.56`	`sorphin`	`~bitchslap Russ`
`07:24.57`		`ACTION beats the sh*t out of Russ`
`07:25.02`	`MonMotha`	`I think it's a 10uF...would have to look it back up again :)`
`07:25.03`	`sorphin`	`Russ: you know what i mean`
`07:25.18`	`sorphin`	`most tant's if not all that i've seen`
`07:25.20`	`MonMotha`	`Russ: and by people who don't want to solder things smaller than their needle nose pliars to a board using a pencil iron`
`07:25.21`	`sorphin`	`are a tanish yellow`
`07:25.35`	`Russ`	`the ancients feared the coming of SMT, and spoke thusly "it is a fad, a phase, it will go away"`
`07:25.52`	`sorphin`	`heh`
`07:26.05`	`MonMotha`	`I don't mind SO-ICs, but SMT caps and resistors I have severe trouble working with using my abysmal tools`
`07:26.17`	`sorphin`	`MonMotha: umm`
`07:26.18`	`Russ`	`MonMotha: use 1205 and larger`
`07:26.23`	`MonMotha`	`anything smaller than an SOIC is a bit tough to work with for me`
`07:26.26`	`sorphin`	`MonMotha: you don't have a pencil tip and tweezers?`
`07:26.40`	`sorphin`	`and a dab of glue if need be`
`07:26.47`	`MonMotha`	`sorphin: yes, I do...but it's a hell of a lot easier to throw a cap in a hole and throw some solder on it :)`
`07:26.58`	`sorphin`	`uhh`
`07:27.01`	`Russ`	`I'm thinking of getting a digital thermometer, and turing my toaster oven into a reflow oven`
`07:27.01`	`sorphin`	`with all that throwing`
`07:27.07`	`sorphin`	`it's no wonder your programmer isn't done :P`
`07:27.14`	`Russ`	`maybe get one of those usb endpoint kits`
`07:27.15`	`MonMotha`	`sorphin: heh :)`
`07:27.21`	`Russ`	`so its a usb toaster`
`07:27.25`	`MonMotha`	`Russ: yeah, I've been thinking of getting a toaster oven for that purpose :)`
`07:27.34`	`MonMotha`	`Russ: then you'd need /dev/coffee too`
`07:27.36`	`sorphin`	`Russ: ok, it's official`
`07:27.42`	`sorphin`	`Russ: you're insane`
`07:27.43`	`Russ`	`mount a high temp convention fan in there too`
`07:28.05`	`Russ`	`sorphin: what? the computer would control the heating element, and receive temperature feedback and could develop and refine various profiles`
`07:28.49`	`sorphin`	`Russ: i think you're the one that needs to put down his crack pipe this time ;)`
`07:29.00`	`Russ`	`you laugh now`
`07:29.12`	`Russ`	`but when I have my USB 2.0(TM) toaster, watch out man`
`07:29.21`	`Russ`	`ooh...bluetooth`
`07:29.29`	`sorphin`	`Russ: ewww`
`07:29.38`	`sorphin`	`RF leaking serial`
`07:30.26`	`sorphin`	`MonMotha: as far as SMD tho`
`07:30.30`	`Russ`	`what, like regular cables don't already leak a good deal of emi?`
`07:30.32`	`sorphin`	`while i don't like it that much`
`07:30.50`	`sorphin`	`there are times now where it's quite handy for a very small board`
`07:30.54`	`sorphin`	`w/ a lot of stuff on it`
`07:30.57`	`sorphin`	`that w/o SMD`
`07:31.02`	`sorphin`	`would be as big as a desk ;p`
`07:31.51`	`sorphin`	`Russ: maybe, but people don't advertise it like it's some great new invention :P`
`07:32.33`	`MonMotha`	`sorphin: oh I certinaly don't mind SMT, but since I tend to make my own boards by etching them, and then hand assemble them...`
`07:32.49`	`MonMotha`	`or heck, for this thing I just got a donut board and start soldering wires to it`
`07:33.10`	`Russ`	`you don't need to drill for smd`
`07:33.18`	`sorphin`	`MonMotha: i'm gonna etch my own for that 2nd board for the webpal programmer`
`07:33.26`	`sorphin`	`Russ: very very true`
`07:33.26`	`MonMotha`	`I have etched one board, a little TTL <-> RS-232 thing that was basically a simple little thing with a MAX232 on it and a couple headers`
`07:33.30`	`MonMotha`	`Russ: yeah, I do use SOICs`
`07:33.32`	`chouimat\|Zzzz`	`night`
`07:33.36`	`MonMotha`	`as I said...that's about my limit :)`
`07:33.37`	`sorphin`	`chouimat\|Zzzz: night`
`07:33.47`	`Russ`	`MonMotha: no nead to go smaller`
`07:33.54`	`sorphin`	`MonMotha: yeah, ken's lil serial board is a nice lil smd one`
`07:34.01`	`chouimat\|Zzzz`	`sorphin: very short night :(`
`07:34.18`	`sorphin`	`fits right on the header`
`07:34.28`	`MonMotha`	`SOICs I can handle...SSOPs are usually pushing it (I've been known to solder them to boards that were made professionally, but had the chip left off by flooding it then takign the excess away with a solderwick), but TSSOPS are just too small`
`07:34.42`	`MonMotha`	`Russ: yeah, usually`
`07:34.54`	`MonMotha`	`but even you haev to agree that for hobbyists BGAs suck`
`07:35.00`	`sorphin`	`MonMotha: umm`
`07:35.04`	`sorphin`	`bga's suck period`
`07:35.07`	`MonMotha`	`heh`
`07:35.13`	`MonMotha`	`they're really small :)`
`07:35.13`	`Russ`	`they don't suck period`
`07:35.16`	`sorphin`	`saw a thing on ebay`
`07:35.27`	`sorphin`	`for soldering bga's`
`07:35.33`	`Russ`	`they let you create a board with a 272 pin element, in 1 inch square, with 8 mil rules`
`07:35.39`	`Russ`	`and very good escape`
`07:35.58`	`sorphin`	`Russ: and hope you never wanna salvage the part ;p`
`07:36.09`	`Russ`	`sorphin: thats true with most parts`
`07:36.19`	`Russ`	`(or at least, most 272 pin parts)`
`07:36.27`	`sorphin`	`bgas are the only thing i can't get off a board :P`
`07:36.38`	`sorphin`	`tho`
`07:36.41`	`sorphin`	`then again`
`07:36.51`	`sorphin`	`biggest pin count i've used is 204 or such`
`07:37.18`	`MonMotha`	`BGAs are fine for mass produced, highly integrated things like current PC motherboards`
`07:37.19`	`sorphin`	`that's still tolerable`
`07:37.38`	`Russ`	`MonMotha: it'd be fun to try with a homebrew board`
`07:37.47`	`Russ`	`MonMotha: TQFP is already difficult enough`
`07:37.49`	`sorphin`	`MonMotha: speaking of MBs`
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`07:38.09`	`sorphin`	`what'd you think of that guy taking a winbond and making a generator from it?`
`07:38.11`	`MonMotha`	`Russ: well, I'm eventually going to build a 286 board...that's after the 80451 board (currently in design, PCB is about half drawn) and the Z80 board`
`07:38.21`	`Russ`	`BGA has much less chance of bridging than a TQFP, since many come in 1.27mm spacing`
`07:38.27`	`MonMotha`	`yeah, TQFP is a bitch`
`07:38.39`	`MonMotha`	`I usually stay away from them :)`
`07:38.48`	`MonMotha`	`I can solder one wire to a pin on it...on a good day`
`07:38.54`	`sorphin`	`MonMotha: oh, btw`
`07:39.01`	`Russ`	`if you could setup a reliable reflow process, you'd be set, it just be a bitch getting the solder paste right and level`
`07:39.04`	`sorphin`	`did my webpal ram hacks the other night`
`07:39.13`	`MonMotha`	`(was practicing for the ram mod on the webpal)`
`07:39.13`	`sorphin`	`1st board, took a couple tries, 2nd board, 1st try`
`07:39.25`	`MonMotha`	`yeah..I practiced on an old motherboard that was defunct`
`07:39.33`	`MonMotha`	`which reminds me..I need to strip that thing`
`07:39.42`	`sorphin`	`well, i perfected how i was doing it`
`07:39.51`	`sorphin`	`MonMotha: w/o my microscope`
`07:39.52`	`Russ`	`MonMotha: actually, if you take some water based flux, and a pencil tip iron, and zip down the side of a qfp, it does pretty good`
`07:39.52`	`MonMotha`	`it has some potentially useful parts (lots of soic bus transceivers mostly)`
`07:39.55`	`sorphin`	`i wouldn't have done it period`
`07:40.16`	`MonMotha`	`Russ: speaking of, you know a good source for water based flux?`
`07:40.20`	`Russ`	`no`
`07:40.23`	`MonMotha`	`heh`
`07:40.28`	`Russ`	`the only tool I have is wick`
`07:40.31`	`sorphin`	`well, color me amazed`
`07:40.47`	`sorphin`	`i thought russ had leads for everything ;p`
`07:40.51`	`MonMotha`	`heh`
`07:40.55`	`Russ`	`I would know where to get leads`
`07:40.57`	`MonMotha`	`I bet your iron is better than mine`
`07:41.04`	`MonMotha`	`though maybe not`
`07:41.05`	`Russ`	`triad electronics, they use it quite a bit`
`07:41.12`	`Russ`	`I have a couple rat shack ones`
`07:41.19`	`MonMotha`	`I have a semi-usable iron...just tends to get cold if you keep using it too long`
`07:41.26`	`MonMotha`	`yeah, I haev a 15W grounded and a 15/30 one`
`07:41.32`	`MonMotha`	`even on the 30 setting it can get cold`
`07:41.39`	`Russ`	`the tip on my dual temp went to hell`
`07:41.47`	`sorphin`	`ran the 15W tip at 30`
`07:42.05`	`sorphin`	`needed teh small tip but high temp`
`07:42.06`	`MonMotha`	`Russ: they sell replacement tips`
`07:42.07`	`MonMotha`	`likt $5 for two`
`07:42.14`	`Russ`	`I know`
`07:42.20`	`Russ`	`but I have another iron with a good tip`
`07:42.21`	`sorphin`	`MonMotha: $.99 for mine ;)`
`07:42.32`	`MonMotha`	`that's one thing I'll give RS credit for...cheap, fairly decent irons`
`07:42.41`	`MonMotha`	`what I really need is decent testing equipment`
`07:42.45`	`sorphin`	`MonMotha: the sucky thing`
`07:42.47`	`sorphin`	`is their tips`
`07:42.48`	`MonMotha`	`I have an RS pocket multimeter...works, kinda`
`07:42.56`	`sorphin`	`MonMotha: you need the meter i have :P`
`07:43.07`	`sorphin`	`damn thing won't die ;)`
`07:43.10`	`MonMotha`	`a scope would be handy too...though not needed`
`07:43.17`	`sorphin`	`and measures everything but inductance`
`07:43.25`	`MonMotha`	`my meter measures like 8 ohms when you touch the two test leads`
`07:43.53`	`MonMotha`	`which would be fine if it had a zeroing function...which it doesn't`
`07:43.57`	`sorphin`	`my scope thinks i radiate 60hz ;)`
`07:44.05`	`MonMotha`	`and of course it auto scales very poorly`
`07:44.11`	`MonMotha`	`sorphin: you probably do :)`
`07:44.17`	`sorphin`	`MonMotha: wouldn't surprise me`
`07:44.18`	`Russ`	`sorphin: you do...if you are touching something metal, or near a power source`
`07:44.28`	`MonMotha`	`Russ: what if he's in europe? :)`
`07:44.35`	`sorphin`	`MonMotha: then you're fscked`
`07:44.46`	`MonMotha`	`or in this house: http://bbspot.com/News/2002/08/house.html ?`
`07:45.44`	`sorphin`	`ummm`
`07:45.59`	`sorphin`	`it's just not worth it`
`07:46.21`	`MonMotha`	`it's bbspot for pete's sake :)`
`07:46.51`	`sorphin`	`which tells me jack squat ;)`
`07:46.59`	`Russ`	`'the Association to Stop Giant Fan Generated Tornadoes.'`
`07:47.12`	`MonMotha`	`exactly, it tells you it's jack squat, or more likely jack shit :)`
`07:47.20`	`MonMotha`	`heh`
`07:47.40`	`sorphin`	`MonMotha: go play with your colorful tantalums and un Id'd chips ;)`
`07:48.26`	`MonMotha`	`he3h`
`07:48.27`	`MonMotha`	`heh`
`07:48.33`	`sorphin`	`h3h`
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`09:55.37`	`balor`	`ibot: where's prpplague`
`09:55.37`		`balor: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ?`
`09:55.51`	`balor`	`ibot: where is prpplague`
`09:55.52`		`methinks prpplague is mailto:dave123@abcsinc.com or Dave Anders`
`09:56.09`	`balor`	`ibot: thanks`
`09:56.09`		`balor: sure thing`
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`14:07.56`	`sieve`	`morning all`
`14:10.10`	`ade\|desk`	`mornig sieve`
`14:14.06`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Morning`
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`14:43.12`	`sorphin`	`lo`
`14:43.17`	`sorphin`	`GPSFan: mornin`
`14:48.48`	`chouimat`	`hi`
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`14:54.09`	`chouimat`	`hi tim kergoth`
`15:01.06`	`sorphin`	`chouimat: pseudofrenchy`
`15:01.50`	`GPSFan`	`sorphin: morning dan...`
`15:02.35`	`sorphin`	`GPSFan: if you want a laugh (or to help me learn eagle) you can look at the schem i drew g`
`15:03.27`	`kergoth`	`morning`
`15:05.24`	`GPSFan`	`sorphin: I don't know squat about eagle, I usually use Orcad, 'cause that's what I learned a long time ago and am comefortable with it.`
`15:05.53`	`GPSFan`	`sorphin: send me a link, I'll have a look...`
`15:06.38`	`chouimat`	`sorphin: why pseudofrenchy??`
`15:14.03`	`sorphin`	`chouimat: you're french canadian`
`15:14.08`	`sorphin`	`you're not really french ;)`
`15:14.30`	`sorphin`	`GPSFan: heh, guess i'm the only one`
`15:14.35`	`sorphin`	`and i'm just learning it ;p`
`15:14.42`	`chouimat`	`sorphin: thanks :) sorry I just spent the last 28hrs up`
`15:15.11`	`sorphin`	`chouimat: isabell kept you up eh? g`
`15:15.31`	`chouimat`	`sorphin: nah that Fine vpn`
`15:16.28`	`chouimat`	`sorphin: I would have prefer isabelle ;-P`
`15:16.38`	`sorphin`	`chouimat: ;)`
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`16:05.55`	`TimRiker`	`~dict vasant`
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`16:17.44`	`sorphin`	`TimRiker: eh?`
`16:19.40`	`GPSFan`	`hey sorphin: I see CosmicPenguin survived his wedding & honyemoon, btw, my pixil box is at an uptime of 18 days 23 hours. ;>)`
`16:20.24`	`sorphin`	`GPSFan: have you been doin anything w/ it tho ;)`
`16:21.34`	`GPSFan`	`sorphin; not really, just sort of seeing if there were any instability problems just running pixil & the os over time.`
`16:22.18`	`sorphin`	`GPSFan: that's like trying to watch a pot boil, will it still boil if you don't watch it :P`
`16:23.13`	`TimRiker`	`~spell vasant`
`16:23.15`		`possible spellings for vasant: vacant vast wasn't valiant variant vaunt peasant assent Santa Santo saint avant Vedanta aslant issuant verdant ascent hasn't`
`16:23.33`	`sorphin`	`TimRiker: i won't even ask`
`16:23.34`	`chouimat[busy]`	`TimRiker: ?`
`16:23.50`	`sorphin`	`chouimat[busy]: Tim's apparently smoking the TI pipe atm`
`16:24.07`	`chouimat[busy]`	`sorphin: ok ...`
`16:24.26`	`sorphin`	`chouimat[busy]: in other words`
`16:24.36`	`sorphin`	`"pay no attention to the man behind hte curtain" :P`
`16:26.02`	`chouimat[busy]`	`sorphin: my mind is not working right now ...`
`16:31.12`	`sorphin`	`chouimat[busy]: is it ever?`
`16:43.29`	`chouimat[busy]`	`sorphin: shaddap`
`16:43.50`	`sorphin`	`chouimat[busy]: may you be cursed w/ songs of celine in your head forever`
`17:04.50`	`chouimat[busy]`	`sorphin: I spent the night listen to the radio and i got 20 celine' songs :(`
`17:05.13`	`sorphin`	`chouimat[busy]: they musta known you were listening ;)`
`17:06.03`	`chouimat[busy]`	`sorphin: maybe ... next time I put a cd or put on the classical station`
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`19:00.22`	`file`	`be afraid, I applied for a job!`
`19:05.37`	`TimRiker`	`~tell andersee about brando`
`19:07.34`	`TimRiker`	`~dynamism`
`19:07.34`		`extra, extra, read all about it, dynamism is a site that sells english Sharp Zaurii C700's http://www.dynamism.com/zaurus/`
`19:08.36`	`TimRiker`	`~tell andersee about dynamism`
`19:15.34`	`Russ`	`~8ball`
`19:15.35`		`hmm... 8ball is No`
`19:23.13`	`sorphin`	`gawd i hate big corporations w/ paranoid network security depts`
`19:27.44`	`Russ`	`dropping ecn?`
`19:28.13`	`sorphin`	`i argue w/ the guy`
`19:28.17`	`sorphin`	`now they're "investigating" and have my windows box's port off`
`19:28.29`	`Russ`	`?`
`19:28.41`	`sorphin`	`paranoid i'm sending company files or some BS or something`
`19:28.58`	`Russ`	`sigh`
`19:29.01`	`sorphin`	`heh, my boss told me something the NS dork told me`
`19:29.08`	`sorphin`	`anything i make/invent while working here`
`19:29.10`	`Russ`	`time to setup a tcp over dns tunnel or somesuch`
`19:29.12`	`sorphin`	`regardless of when`
`19:29.14`	`sorphin`	`they own`
`19:29.20`	`sorphin`	`my ass they do`
`19:29.24`	`sorphin`	`i signed NOTHING`
`19:29.31`	`sorphin`	`saying that i gave up anything`
`19:29.34`	`sorphin`	`when i started here`
`19:36.33`	`Morn`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:38.40`	`Russ`	`heh`
`19:39.29`	`Russ`	`watching a bird eat cheese pasta is funny`
`19:47.44`	`file`	`sorphin: now that bites...`
`19:51.21`	`sorphin`	`Russ: i had to get to myu network in a round about way :P`
`19:51.29`	`sorphin`	`telnet to a router in our lab that has a uunet feed`
`19:51.45`	`sorphin`	`telnet from there to the only box on my network that allows telnet (for friends)`
`19:51.53`	`sorphin`	`buncha morons`
`19:51.58`	`sorphin`	`ah well, my boss covered my ass`
`19:52.10`	`sorphin`	`but that's still not stopping me from looking elsewhere`
`19:52.13`	`Russ`	`can you make dns requests to anywhere?`
`19:52.34`	`sorphin`	`yeah, i'm on my solaris box they don't know about`
`19:52.44`	`sorphin`	`my windows box however has it's port on the switch disabled`
`19:52.49`	`Russ`	`then setup an ip over dns tunnel`
`19:53.11`	`sorphin`	`Russ: then they'll prolly whine about me having a dns connection up constant`
`19:53.20`	`Russ`	`its udp`
`19:53.23`	`Russ`	`its stateless`
`19:53.31`	`Russ`	`you could also setup a ip over icmp tunnel`
`19:53.43`	`sorphin`	`yeah`
`19:53.55`	`sorphin`	`maybe their pix's will miss that stuff :P`
`19:54.12`	`sorphin`	`he explained to the morons tho why i have the conns up`
`19:54.27`	`sorphin`	`not like they'd understand :P`
`19:55.00`	`sorphin`	`Russ: got any good refs for either?`
`19:57.32`	`Russ`	`or you could be sick and wrong and tunnel over smtp`
`19:59.58`	`sorphin`	`hehe`
`20:00.07`	`sorphin`	`again i ask ;)`
`20:00.09`	`sorphin`	`Russ: got any good refs for either?`
`20:00.57`	`Russ`	`http://nstx.dereference.de/nstx/`
`20:11.29`	`andersee`	`sorphin: they let you irc, right?`
`20:12.13`	`andersee`	`At Lineo I setup a udp vpn tunnel to my home box, which was running the vpn server on the irc port.`
`20:12.26`	`andersee`	`To get around their stupid firewall`
`20:13.00`	`andersee`	`me too`
`20:13.00`	`sorphin`	`andersee: no`
`20:13.19`	`sorphin`	`andersee: i'm still surprised they bitched about my ssh`
`20:13.27`	`sorphin`	`well, except for the connections being up forever`
`20:14.20`	`sorphin`	`andersee: to be honest, i don't know exactlly what they "allow" till they catch me doing something they don't like`
`20:18.29`	`jnork`	`Heh. Reminds me of a Shark Tank entry I read once. First they rake him across the coals. Then he requests to see the policy so he can avoid violating it in the future. But they don't have one. "Oh, we'll let you know if you do anything wrong."`
`20:18.53`	`sorphin`	`like my boss said`
`20:18.57`	`sorphin`	`they're like the IRS`
`20:19.02`	`sorphin`	`there's lots of things they shouldn't be doing`
`20:19.06`	`sorphin`	`but they get away w/ it`
`20:22.20`	`*** join/#elinux GPSFan (~kenm@65.114.238.130)`
`20:22.46`	`sorphin`	`GPSFan: re`
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`20:35.05`	`*** mode/#eLinux [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ`
`20:36.06`	`TimRiker`	`~seen dwmw2`
`20:36.08`		`dwmw2 <~dwmw2@213.86.99.237> was last seen on IRC in channel #handhelds.org, 9h 40m 36s ago, saying: 'this is probably a good thing'.`
`20:37.15`	`Russ`	`ibot: seen lilo`
`20:37.16`		`lilo <levin@lilo.staff.freenode> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 5d 1h 1m 22s ago, saying: 'np'.`
`20:37.31`	`Russ`	`ibot: seen nickserv`
`20:37.31`		`Russ: i haven't seen 'nickserv'`
`20:41.14`	`TimRiker`	`~seen chanserv`
`20:41.14`		`TimRiker: i haven't seen 'chanserv'`
`20:41.25`	`TimRiker`	`heh`
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`20:48.20`	`*** mode/#eLinux [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ`
`20:54.44`	`chouimat[busy]`	`wb TimRiker`
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`21:47.56`	`Russ`	`anyone play with the gadget framework?`
`21:58.43`	`CosmicPenguin`	`Go go gadget`
`22:01.01`	`kergoth`	`Russ: I was going to work on the sa11x0 driver for it, but never got around to it`
`22:01.22`	`kergoth`	`if you mean the usb gadget framework :)`
`22:01.25`	`kergoth`	`bleh, need more caffeine`
`22:10.36`	`chouimat\|away`	`kergoth: got your cube?`
`22:11.54`	`*** join/#elinux Russ (foobar@russ.gothicfury.com)`
`22:13.24`	`chouimat\|away`	`I hate pppoe`
`22:22.45`	`file`	`chouimat\|away: hehe`
`22:25.56`	`Russ`	`I don't really mind it`
`22:26.17`	`Russ`	`i just hate modems that won't bridge pppoe packets`
`22:53.07`	`chouimat\|away`	`file: spend 35hours on that vpn ...`
`22:53.59`	`file`	`chouimat\|away: evil`
`22:54.49`	`chouimat\|away`	`file: yup`
`22:55.21`	`chouimat\|away`	`file: it's working and I need to get out of here`
`22:56.01`	`file`	`go, go, go!`
`22:56.14`	`Russ`	`can anyone here go to this site: http://kernel.bkbits.net/~david-b/`
`22:56.14`	`Russ`	`?`
`22:56.40`	`file`	`nope`
`22:56.51`	`chouimat\|away`	`nada`
`23:37.25`	`Russ`	`ibot: see _rmk_`
`23:37.26`		`Russ: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface.`
`23:37.31`	`Russ`	`ibot: seen _rmk_`
`23:37.32`		`Russ: i haven't seen '_rmk_'`
`23:37.37`	`Russ`	`ibot: seen rmk`
`23:37.37`		`Russ: i haven't seen 'rmk'`
`23:37.53`	`sorphin`	`hmm`
`23:37.55`	`sorphin`	`they decided to axfr hackers-anonymous.org`
`23:37.58`	`sorphin`	`i intend to confront them about that tomorrow`
`23:37.59`	`sorphin`	`they're into trespassing now`
`23:38.51`	`Russ`	`axfr?`
`23:39.06`	`sorphin`	`zone transfer`
`23:39.40`	`sorphin`	`they also portscanned, but i expected that`
`23:39.50`	`sorphin`	`but they have NO business touching my dns servers`
`23:39.53`	`Russ`	`you want me to drive down to godaddy and have a talking with them?`
`23:40.19`	`sorphin`	`?`
`23:40.28`	`Russ`	`Registered through: Go Daddy Software (http://www.godaddy.com)`
`23:40.35`	`sorphin`	`not that kinda transfer`
`23:40.45`	`sorphin`	`pulled the SOA data/zone files`
`23:40.59`	`sorphin`	`something only an authorative NS for my domains should be doing`
`23:41.43`	`Russ`	`something daniel stephens did then?`
`23:41.43`	`sorphin`	`oh, i've already decided that when i live MCI`
`23:41.53`	`sorphin`	`they're gonna get something they'll never forget`
`23:41.55`	`sorphin`	`no`
`23:41.57`	`sorphin`	`MCI :P`
`23:42.14`	`sorphin`	`Russ: look up 166.50.73.239`
`23:42.16`	`sorphin`	`:P`
`23:42.37`	`sorphin`	`one of the network sec fsckers dares to do more than hit my webserver and portscan me`
`23:42.42`	`sorphin`	`now they stepped over the line`
`23:42.59`	`Russ`	`I'm confused`
`23:43.07`	`sorphin`	`uhh`
`23:43.13`	`sorphin`	`did you miss all of what went on earlier?`
`23:43.23`	`Russ`	`ns[12].captainrock.com isn't returning info on hackers-anonymous.org`
`23:43.33`	`sorphin`	`uhh`
`23:43.38`	`sorphin`	`it won't either`
`23:43.46`	`sorphin`	`unless you to a bind zone xfer`
`23:43.51`	`sorphin`	`they're MX records only`
`23:43.55`	`Russ`	`ah, only mx`
`23:44.06`	`sorphin`	`that's beside the point tho`
`23:44.07`	`Russ`	`so whats with 166.50.73.239`
`23:44.23`	`sorphin`	`when i look in my logs`
`23:44.25`	`sorphin`	`and see May 29 17:29:40 wsxa7v5949.mcilink.com`
`23:44.27`	`sorphin`	`and`
`23:44.44`	`sorphin`	`May 29 17:27:01 mewp in.telnetd[983]: connect from wsxa7v5949.mcilink.com`
`23:44.46`	`sorphin`	`and`
`23:45.43`	`sorphin`	`May 29 15:39:09 wibble named[11204]: client 166.50.73.239#33309: transfer of 'hackers-anonymous.org/IN': AXFR started`
`23:46.03`	`sorphin`	`i get a bit irritated`
`23:46.12`	`sorphin`	`that 166.x.x.x`
`23:46.26`	`sorphin`	`is one of their boxes that i guess network SUCKurity uses`
`23:46.29`	`sorphin`	`either way`
`23:46.47`	`sorphin`	`repeatative telnets`
`23:46.51`	`sorphin`	`messing w/ my dns server`
`23:46.54`	`sorphin`	`ftp server`
`23:46.58`	`sorphin`	`webserver`
`23:47.06`	`sorphin`	`they crossed the line`

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