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| 00:25.32 | sorphin | GPSFan: evening |
| 00:26.11 | kergoth | hey |
| 00:26.37 | sorphin | glytchbinary: btw as i'd said, i'd gotten a 256M MMC for i think 80, from ebay (good seller) |
| 00:27.03 | glytchbinary | sorphin: well i need something to put the mmc in first |
| 00:27.21 | sorphin | glytchbinary: not my prob ;) |
| 00:27.34 | sorphin | kergoth: never did hear back from spencer that last time, heh |
| 00:30.23 | GPSFan | sorphin: hi dan, how's it? |
| 00:30.59 | sorphin | GPSFan: that reducer makes all the diff |
| 00:31.50 | GPSFan | sorphin: yeah it does, doesn't it... how's the ring lite work? |
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| 00:31.59 | sorphin | GPSFan: and the replacement base/knobs are good shape |
| 00:32.07 | sorphin | GPSFan: it's fine for this |
| 00:32.22 | GPSFan | sorphin: glad to hear it, scope doing ok too? |
| 00:32.25 | sorphin | GPSFan: hell, even looking at my hand under this thing is weird |
| 00:32.33 | file | there... PCI IDE Controller BIOS update was successful |
| 00:32.36 | sorphin | GPSFan: yeah, and i hope it stays taht way for years ;) |
| 00:33.19 | GPSFan | sorphin: I use mine for pulling out small splinters. ;>) yeah baaring catastrophic failures, tek scopes go for years and years. |
| 00:33.24 | sorphin | GPSFan: 3 of my joints on the ttl adapters needed redone (says the tell tale microscope ;) ) |
| 00:34.16 | GPSFan | sorphin: I really enjoy looking at good quality PCB's under a microscope... |
| 00:34.32 | sorphin | GPSFan: twas funny looking at my SunPCI cards |
| 00:34.38 | sorphin | they really need a cleaning ;) |
| 00:35.19 | GPSFan | lots of mfr's use "no-clean flux, leaves a lot of junk lying around. |
| 00:35.47 | sorphin | GPSFan: on the ttl boards, are those vias big enough to slide down on a header ya think (haven't tried yet), or should i use some sort of socket? |
| 00:36.24 | GPSFan | sorphin: yes, the via's for J10/11 are meant to go over .025 square posts. |
| 00:37.11 | GPSFan | I made one up with a socket, and suked all the solder out the j10/11 holes. |
| 00:38.58 | sorphin | nod |
| 00:39.09 | sorphin | well i already have header stuff there |
| 00:39.15 | sorphin | so i prolly should be ok |
| 00:39.21 | sorphin | just gotta put 2 pins back in each |
| 00:39.40 | sorphin | since the connector from the old adapter was too big to have those 2 pins in there just for one adapter |
| 00:39.48 | GPSFan | thought you might not have .1's so I stuck them in too. |
| 00:40.16 | sorphin | GPSFan: appreciated it, cuz no, i didn't have any ;) |
| 00:40.49 | sorphin | the "spare" smt stuff i have is left over from the ethernet bit for the websurfer pro, and isn't much |
| 00:42.06 | GPSFan | ;>) |
| 00:42.33 | sorphin | like reflashing the my simms again |
| 00:42.59 | sorphin | , somehow cutting this lil bit of board off this thing so the connector for the Z fits all the way in the Z |
| 00:43.12 | sorphin | GPSFan: i had messed up the lil board from the cradle |
| 00:43.19 | sorphin | so i improvised |
| 00:43.31 | sorphin | and used the space where teh back connector goes, and cut that out of the board |
| 00:43.59 | sorphin | fits fine except part of the board is too far out onto the conn and so is a minor obstruction |
| 00:43.59 | sorphin | ok |
| 00:43.59 | sorphin | speaking of the cradle |
| 00:44.08 | sorphin | GPSFan: mind ID'ing a couple things for me? |
| 00:44.29 | GPSFan | really wish I knew why yours and MonMotha's webpals have trouble getting wpflash working. .... ID' sure... |
| 00:44.44 | sorphin | oh, wpflash worked |
| 00:44.50 | sorphin | partly |
| 00:44.55 | sorphin | i think it was my serial adapters |
| 00:45.29 | GPSFan | sorphin: could be, I've reflashed my kernel with my new adapter. |
| 00:46.10 | sorphin | GPSFan: well, i intend to as soon as i'm even able to |
| 00:46.23 | sorphin | i need to find a way to flash the simm by wiring it to something else :P |
| 00:46.34 | sorphin | GPSFan: http://www.captainrock.com/~dans/cradle2.jpg |
| 00:46.43 | sorphin | GPSFan: the 3 obvious components |
| 00:47.19 | legodude | GPSFan: my webpal won't flash either |
| 00:47.21 | legodude | wpflash bombs |
| 00:47.28 | legodude | tried it on lotsa different computers too |
| 00:47.29 | sorphin | the square (to me) looks like a rectifier |
| 00:47.44 | GPSFan | k, one is an EMI filter, one a CAP the other, ?? maybe a diode array. |
| 00:48.12 | sorphin | GPSFan: which on which? the can is a cap? makes sense |
| 00:48.22 | sorphin | that lil chip w/ the strip is on hte USB data lines |
| 00:48.40 | sorphin | and like i said, that square w/ the silver corners looks rectifierish to me |
| 00:49.29 | GPSFan | yeah that may be a protection diode array, or some sort of USB termination device, any #'s on it? |
| 00:49.58 | sorphin | nope |
| 00:50.03 | sorphin | the onl ything w/ #'s is the can |
| 00:50.15 | sorphin | and i couldn't reference em |
| 00:50.27 | GPSFan | which USB pins is it connected to |
| 00:50.38 | sorphin | GPSFan: data + and data+ |
| 00:50.46 | sorphin | GPSFan: taht lil chip thing is that is |
| 00:51.05 | file | how are you two doing anyway? |
| 00:51.28 | MonMotha | GPSFan: I'm not sure what's actually wrong with it |
| 00:51.28 | sorphin | file: tired, but alright, you? what trance you listening to? |
| 00:51.32 | GPSFan | sorphin: the can is definately a CAP, does the data go "through" that part? or is it connect in parallel to the data? |
| 00:52.06 | MonMotha | I tried it again; the upload appears to succeede, but then either the program isn't jumped to or it terminates and leaves the processor doing nothign |
| 00:52.08 | sorphin | GPSFan: the can and the square are next to the power connector and power goes through them, that lil chip thing, the data lines go through it |
| 00:52.08 | file | sorphin: I'm fine, just listening to a DJ Doboy vocal mix - 76 minutes of continuos trance... |
| 00:52.22 | sorphin | file: cool |
| 00:52.25 | legodude | Trance is key |
| 00:52.45 | GPSFan | sorphin: from your pix it looks like the data goes through. |
| 00:52.46 | sorphin | MonMotha: this is w/ your programmer? |
| 00:52.47 | file | 4 strings - diving (original vocal mix) |
| 00:53.08 | MonMotha | sorphin: this is attempting to run wpflash on my webpal |
| 00:53.12 | MonMotha | I'm still building my programmer |
| 00:53.24 | sorphin | my simms aren't even wpflash'able |
| 00:53.32 | MonMotha | all that stuff takes a while to wire up by hand |
| 00:53.33 | legodude | wolla file |
| 00:53.37 | sorphin | MonMotha: i need to find some other flash to wire it against |
| 00:53.38 | legodude | sorphin: whyso? |
| 00:53.40 | MonMotha | not to mention I don't even have a 72 pin SIMM socket |
| 00:53.49 | MonMotha | local parts store only has 30 |
| 00:53.50 | legodude | I'm sending mine out tomorrow to be flashed |
| 00:53.51 | sorphin | MonMotha: ditto |
| 00:53.59 | jacques | hmm I have a GUS |
| 00:54.14 | MonMotha | jacques: as in the sound card? |
| 00:54.17 | sorphin | legodude: because, the cpu on the webpal... isn't set up for hw jtag |
| 00:54.19 | jacques | maybe we can write some code that will allow it to flash the SIMMs :-) |
| 00:54.27 | sorphin | legodude: i had tomw flash my simms |
| 00:54.30 | sorphin | only 1 worked |
| 00:54.32 | jacques | MonMotha: yeah with 2 72pin RAM sockets |
| 00:54.33 | MonMotha | sorphin: as in lacking the JTAG bus? :) |
| 00:54.34 | sorphin | and the other corrupted |
| 00:54.35 | legodude | wow |
| 00:54.36 | legodude | strange |
| 00:54.49 | legodude | different flash chip then? |
| 00:54.59 | sorphin | jacques: umm |
| 00:55.04 | sorphin | jacques: wont' do any good :P |
| 00:55.05 | MonMotha | jacques: well, I've debated taking one off an old motherboard, but the amount of solderwick I'd go through would more than pay for ordering one online |
| 00:55.05 | jacques | I know I know |
| 00:55.12 | sorphin | jacques: you still need a hw interface |
| 00:55.15 | sorphin | :P |
| 00:55.19 | jacques | yep :-\ |
| 00:55.20 | sorphin | legodude: no |
| 00:55.29 | sorphin | legodude: easy to flash |
| 00:55.36 | sorphin | if i can ever get someting to hook it to |
| 00:55.47 | legodude | just trashy design of webpal? |
| 00:55.50 | MonMotha | yeah, I'm building a big I/O expander basically |
| 00:55.50 | legodude | or different HW rev? |
| 00:55.58 | MonMotha | legodude: it's not a strongarm |
| 00:56.03 | MonMotha | it's a Cirrus PS7500 |
| 00:56.06 | legodude | ja |
| 00:56.08 | legodude | I know |
| 00:56.08 | sorphin | aka |
| 00:56.12 | sorphin | ARM, but cheesy arm |
| 00:56.18 | MonMotha | which has no testing interface |
| 00:56.27 | legodude | O |
| 00:56.33 | sorphin | shit, i think even my polaroid picture frame has jtag |
| 00:56.41 | MonMotha | heh |
| 00:56.41 | legodude | I'm curious as to why some people have no problems flashing, but me and others do |
| 00:57.10 | sorphin | legodude: for me, i suspect my serial adapters i was using |
| 00:57.26 | sorphin | legodude: for monmotha, sheer incompetence ;) *duck* |
| 00:57.27 | legodude | but why would it work up to the wpflash point? |
| 00:57.29 | legodude | haha |
| 00:57.29 | MonMotha | I could successfully talk to the debugger |
| 00:57.35 | MonMotha | sorphin: yah yah, sure |
| 00:57.35 | legodude | I suspect my serial adapters too |
| 00:57.46 | legodude | but I've tried it on different machines, with different adapters |
| 00:57.50 | sorphin | oh, i had my webpals flashing fine |
| 00:57.57 | MonMotha | I don't know if I may have been getting corruption of some form in the process tho |
| 00:57.58 | sorphin | but i go to change 1 kernel |
| 00:58.00 | sorphin | and poof |
| 00:58.06 | legodude | oooh |
| 00:58.13 | legodude | I thought you were having wpflash problems? |
| 00:58.14 | MonMotha | sorphin: yeah, that's why I was attempting to port BLOB |
| 00:58.18 | MonMotha | prpplague is now workign on that |
| 00:58.34 | sorphin | legodude: i did |
| 00:58.36 | MonMotha | I got some of the basic stuff (much of the assembler work) done |
| 00:58.43 | sorphin | legodude: crc errors (prolly cuz of serial) |
| 00:58.47 | sorphin | then brick |
| 00:58.50 | MonMotha | the serial pot is going to be a pain in the ass to talk to tho |
| 00:58.56 | MonMotha | since it's on a super IO |
| 00:59.28 | sorphin | MonMotha: um.. how is that any harder than any old serial port was :P |
| 00:59.47 | MonMotha | sorphin: true, the UART on the SA isn't exactly pleasing to talk with :) |
| 00:59.54 | MonMotha | not nearly as bad as the UDC tho |
| 01:00.18 | sorphin | heh |
| 01:00.23 | sorphin | even my xbox is jtagable :P |
| 01:00.30 | sorphin | not taht you need it |
| 01:00.41 | sorphin | since a mod chip will fullfill what you need |
| 01:04.00 | sorphin | haha |
| 01:04.37 | sorphin | Dr. Dre (the loser, not the old scool guy), has to pay $1.5 for stealing music, how ironic, since he tried to do the same to napster users |
| 01:04.56 | legodude | ? |
| 01:05.04 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:05.27 | legodude | ah |
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| 02:09.45 | sorphin | TomW: evening elder man |
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| 03:03.32 | COsmicPenguin | grrr |
| 03:03.34 | COsmicPenguin | stupid ipaq |
| 03:03.49 | Error403 | yeah, I don't like to pack |
| 03:09.55 | jacques | what did ipaq do? |
| 03:10.58 | COsmicPenguin | ipaq's touchscreen stopped responding |
| 03:11.05 | COsmicPenguin | and I want to something else |
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| 03:15.58 | Russ | I want to something else too |
| 03:16.46 | Russ | Tenderness is the point. |
| 03:17.00 | Russ | Awareness of being alive created by authenticity |
| 03:17.24 | COsmicPenguin | I'd be in bed right now if it wasn't for sorpin |
| 03:17.38 | Russ | welcome to the best place where makes you happy |
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| 03:31.18 | COsmicPenguin | grrrr |
| 03:44.08 | Russ | yes? |
| 04:03.57 | sorphin | COsmicPenguin: eh? |
| 04:04.00 | sorphin | how is it my fault? |
| 04:16.12 | COsmicPenguin | well, it makes me feel better to blame you |
| 04:16.19 | COsmicPenguin | if you didn't care about Pixil |
| 04:17.06 | sorphin | COsmicPenguin: hey, blame morn too then :P |
| 04:17.39 | sorphin | hell, blame whoever this gary morse white hat hacker loser, whoever the hell he is |
| 04:19.49 | chouimat | re |
| 04:24.07 | chouimat | prpplague: ping |
| 04:24.29 | prpplague | chouimat: yep |
| 04:24.34 | prpplague | chouimat: what up? |
| 04:24.50 | prpplague | anyone here have experience with AM_PROG_LIBTOOL macro? |
| 04:24.55 | chouimat | prpplague: just drank about 6 25 onz beer |
| 04:25.16 | COsmicPenguin | Ok, its bed time |
| 04:25.21 | COsmicPenguin | stupid calibration tool |
| 04:25.22 | prpplague | chouimat: yikes |
| 04:25.28 | COsmicPenguin | later |
| 04:25.52 | chouimat | prpplague: bah! why change good habit .... the barmaid got hhuge booobs |
| 04:27.53 | prpplague | lol |
| 04:29.44 | prpplague | argh i hate autoconf |
| 04:30.04 | Error403 | prpplague: It's easy to maintain once you get the initial setup right :) |
| 04:30.19 | prpplague | Error403: ya well, try maintaining someone else's crap |
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| 04:33.54 | chouimat | grrrr I have some electrical problem here |
| 04:35.04 | chouimat | prpplague: sorry |
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| 04:36.53 | chouimat | prpplague: got anither power failure tonight ..... |
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| 04:54.21 | chouimat | prpplague: still here .... how goes the work? |
| 05:06.18 | chouimat|Zzzzz | night |
| 05:59.41 | Russ | wow |
| 05:59.56 | Russ | you can get a 2kB, 12MHz pic for a buck |
| 06:05.10 | Error403 | is that good? :) |
| 06:05.51 | Russ | for some perspective, an 8 bit shift register is 20 cents |
| 06:06.17 | Error403 | Oh, I'm assuming that's a pretty basic thing :) |
| 06:06.37 | Error403 | I mean, I know what a bit shift is and all |
| 06:06.45 | Russ | its just amazing you get 2k flash, 256 bytes ram, 15 io pins, etc |
| 06:07.13 | Russ | you can even use some of the io's as irq, uarrt, and timer |
| 06:11.02 | Russ | scratch that, I can actually get 24MHz for that price |
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| 09:11.23 | ArauKo | hi |
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| 14:14.46 | sorphin | TomW: morning gramps |
| 14:19.32 | MornWork | sorphin: my office took a poll this morning, they decided I'm evil |
| 14:19.52 | sorphin | MornWork: already? man they learn fast ;) |
| 14:20.09 | MornWork | I brought coffee and doughnuts for the whole office |
| 14:20.15 | MornWork | and I work in an office that is all women |
| 14:20.21 | sorphin | rotfl |
| 14:20.39 | sorphin | yup, in that case, i can see why they decided you're evil |
| 14:27.29 | TomW | sorphin: morning sonny |
| 14:28.10 | sorphin | TomW: what's new? |
| 14:28.57 | TomW | nothing, that's the problem. danged customer wanted me to work on some of his stuff so I couldn't play, had to make money. |
| 14:29.17 | sorphin | ah |
| 14:29.30 | sorphin | TomW: i'm glad i go the reducer for the scope :P |
| 14:29.55 | TomW | why, the focal length too short otherwise |
| 14:29.59 | TomW | ? |
| 14:30.26 | CosmicPenguin | Heh - from a Microwindows mailing list: . Can someone tell me what can be the reason for page fault and what exactly is meant by a page fault? |
| 14:30.29 | sorphin | unless you wanna hunch over :P |
| 14:30.45 | sorphin | TomW: otherwise, the length is fine *g* |
| 14:31.08 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: if memory serves, a page fault is a memory paging error |
| 14:31.13 | TomW | maybe you need to lower your workbench? :) |
| 14:31.20 | sorphin | TomW: umm |
| 14:31.30 | sorphin | TomW: hunching over means it IS low :P |
| 14:31.32 | sorphin | duh |
| 14:31.50 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i.e. if you're incorrectly accessing paged memory/flash |
| 14:31.55 | sorphin | like on the Z |
| 14:32.19 | sorphin | when i'm reading the flash w/ my prog, if i slam head 1st into a page boundry |
| 14:32.25 | sorphin | i'll page fault |
| 14:32.33 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: I know that |
| 14:32.37 | CosmicPenguin | Seesh |
| 14:32.41 | sorphin | umm |
| 14:33.01 | sorphin | etfom |
| 14:33.09 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: I was mocking the guy |
| 14:33.38 | sorphin | missed the 1st part of that bout the mailing list.. oops |
| 14:33.53 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: thats it - I was going to release binaries today, but now I'm just bitter |
| 14:34.05 | sorphin | heh |
| 14:34.32 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: your choice |
| 14:35.33 | sorphin | Morn: he *was* gonna release pixil binaries today |
| 14:37.41 | MornWork | shoot this database while your at it |
| 14:41.29 | MornWork | what do you use for tape backups in linux? |
| 14:54.54 | CosmicPenguin | A C64 tape player... :) |
| 14:57.19 | CosmicPenguin | Ouch |
| 15:00.52 | CosmicPenguin | grrr..... |
| 15:08.54 | sorphin | i can't figure out how do deal with *this* db other than sorting it after every edit :P |
| 15:11.13 | sorphin | and even that causes probs since the 1st line is a header and needs to be skipped |
| 15:39.44 | CosmicPenguin | ~lart Greg for changing the API without telling anyone |
| 15:42.12 | sorphin | speaking of solaris |
| 15:43.44 | chouimat | hi |
| 15:45.15 | kergoth | hey |
| 15:55.30 | sorphin | man i hope this box is fast :P |
| 15:55.57 | sorphin | 4x900Mhz procs and 8G of mem |
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| 15:56.19 | sorphin | prpplague: you could appreciate the box i'm installing solaris on atm ;) |
| 15:56.20 | prpplague | ho ho ho, merry frellin morning |
| 15:56.37 | prpplague | sorphin: lol, ya well, i had a fun night |
| 15:56.48 | chouimat | s/higge/huge |
| 15:57.12 | prpplague | sorphin: 30 minutes from going live on the sco2linux conversion, the old quad has a complete melt down |
| 15:57.18 | sorphin | prpplague: 4x900Mhz procs and 8G of mem |
| 15:57.26 | prpplague | sorphin: ha |
| 15:57.32 | sorphin | chouimat: that'd be why i call them suckforce |
| 15:57.40 | sorphin | prpplague: that's the box i'm installing atm |
| 15:57.41 | prpplague | sorphin: better than this quad that died |
| 15:57.46 | chouimat | cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.xine.sf.net/cvsroot/xine co -r xine-1-beta4-release xine-lib |
| 15:57.46 | chouimat | cvs [checkout aborted]: end of file from server (consult above messages if any) |
| 15:57.46 | chouimat | CVS returned an error |
| 15:57.47 | chouimat | make[1]: *** [/data/xplatform/openzaurus/stamps/.libxine1.source] Error 1 |
| 15:58.03 | prpplague | sorphin: they are getting a dual 3.06 as a replace ment |
| 15:58.13 | sorphin | nod |
| 15:58.21 | sorphin | prpplague: this is a Sunfire v480 |
| 16:01.49 | prpplague | sorphin: nice |
| 16:02.06 | prpplague | sorphin: was frellin piss'd last night when the sucker died |
| 16:03.02 | prpplague | sorphin: i think its an mb issue, the scsi control went berserk, the 3rd processor is getting all kinds of fpu errors and the top 4gb ram is getting random crc errors |
| 16:03.27 | chouimat | yay! someone is give george freeman grill for free .... |
| 16:04.22 | levi | George Foreman grills are cool. |
| 16:04.38 | levi | I gave one away, though, since I got it as a gift and it was identical to the one I already had. |
| 16:05.56 | sorphin | heh |
| 16:05.58 | sorphin | prpplague: nod |
| 16:06.43 | CosmicPenguin | You guys almost ready for this? |
| 16:06.55 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: depend what? |
| 16:07.20 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: greg has decided to add ms-outlook to pixil? |
| 16:07.48 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: uh oh |
| 16:08.11 | chouimat | prpplague: probably he want cp to rewrite it in csharp |
| 16:08.18 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: if it's gonna make prpplague say frell again |
| 16:08.21 | sorphin | i don't wanna know |
| 16:08.28 | chouimat | hehe |
| 16:09.11 | sorphin | MornWork: go morn go morn |
| 16:09.27 | CosmicPenguin | No, you guys ready for some binaries? |
| 16:09.32 | prpplague | sorphin: ok i'll stop using it here |
| 16:09.34 | MornWork | :-) |
| 16:09.52 | chouimat | prpplague: use "calice" or "crisse" :) |
| 16:10.10 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: ooer |
| 16:10.18 | MornWork | CosmicPenguin: I can't install them til tonight, but sure! |
| 16:10.19 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: for real, or are you teasing again? ;) |
| 16:10.27 | CosmicPenguin | No - for real |
| 16:10.39 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: :) |
| 16:11.13 | prpplague | kergoth: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2302062648.html |
| 16:11.51 | sorphin | prpplague: heh |
| 16:12.16 | sorphin | prpplague: so kergoth may have to do work at his new job? ;) |
| 16:14.58 | chouimat | how the capitain hook died? |
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| 16:16.11 | chouimat | hi timm |
| 16:20.59 | sorphin | TimRiker: morning mr TR |
| 16:23.13 | prpplague | TimRiker: morning |
| 16:30.43 | chouimat | hi prpplague |
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| 16:35.30 | prpplague | chouimat: morning |
| 16:38.58 | chouimat | prpplague: lot of work? |
| 16:41.23 | prpplague | chouimat: ya, since that server failed last night |
| 16:43.00 | chouimat | prpplague: that sucks ... hmmmm where I put that redcrap 7 cd |
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| 17:49.02 | prpplague | kergoth: have you looked at CosmicPenguin's form language specs? |
| 17:49.13 | kergoth | prpplague: nope |
| 17:49.30 | prpplague | kergoth: would be interesting to have an opie app for it as well as the fltk one |
| 17:50.38 | CosmicPenguin | Ok folks |
| 17:50.43 | CosmicPenguin | Some ground rules first |
| 17:50.57 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: 1. there are no rules |
| 17:51.03 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: 2. see rule 1 |
| 17:51.24 | CosmicPenguin | A - try to keep these quiet. I don't want to see my website on Slashdot |
| 17:51.51 | CosmicPenguin | B - These images may or may not work, and if they don't, I won't be able to help you. I've tested them on my Z, Ipaq and Tuxscreen, and they work |
| 17:52.08 | CosmicPenguin | C - The source code should becoming along somtime the middle of next month, so just be patient |
| 17:52.12 | CosmicPenguin | D - Please be nice |
| 17:52.25 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.cosmicpenguin.net/pixil.html |
| 17:52.28 | CosmicPenguin | Lets get it on |
| 17:52.57 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: just don't give Morn any cell phone products and she'll be ok |
| 17:53.20 | MornWork | doh! |
| 17:57.35 | MornWork | I'll get the images tonight when I get home and play |
| 17:58.06 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: you'll need buildroot-oz for the Ipaq and Zaurus |
| 17:58.27 | MornWork | CosmicPenguin: ok |
| 17:58.52 | CosmicPenguin | I guess I could post an image too - but thats like 16MB, and really, most people would rather have the .ipk anyway |
| 17:59.12 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: so i can just drag the ipk over to the Z then? ;) |
| 17:59.22 | MornWork | I'll have to find the buildroot-oz |
| 17:59.25 | MornWork | for the iPAQ |
| 17:59.34 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: yepers |
| 17:59.41 | MornWork | I've been using familiar's bootstraps |
| 17:59.43 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: you'll need about 4MB of room |
| 17:59.43 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: coo |
| 17:59.49 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: that's easy |
| 18:00.02 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: any x86 binary packages? |
| 18:00.10 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i have a 256M mmc shove data onto |
| 18:00.13 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: hmmmm.... possibly |
| 18:00.28 | sorphin | chouimat: gonna pixil your peecee? |
| 18:00.45 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: I can make an RPM, I guess |
| 18:01.14 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: as long as that RPM can be alien'd ;) |
| 18:01.29 | chouimat | sorphin: nah! just want to test it like you can with qvfb in qtopia |
| 18:02.00 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: in that case, denied. |
| 18:02.07 | sorphin | haha |
| 18:02.16 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: :'-( |
| 18:02.17 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: re the /. comment |
| 18:02.18 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: no pixil for x? |
| 18:02.31 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy, muchless a friend |
| 18:02.48 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: ok, I'll scratch together an RPM later on |
| 18:02.54 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: |
| 18:03.03 | CosmicPenguin | The X version is still in flux at ths point |
| 18:03.05 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i meant for the z |
| 18:03.11 | sorphin | prpplague: umm |
| 18:03.12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: oh |
| 18:03.21 | prpplague | sorphin: ? |
| 18:03.22 | sorphin | prpplague: the Z is at the bottom of the page :P |
| 18:03.28 | prpplague | sorphin: with microwindows |
| 18:03.34 | sorphin | yeah.. |
| 18:03.40 | prpplague | sorphin: i want x |
| 18:03.48 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: ok only the framebuffer version is ready |
| 18:03.54 | sorphin | prpplague: you want X on your Z.. are you N U T S ? |
| 18:03.56 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: geez.... |
| 18:04.05 | prpplague | sorphin: i run x on my z now |
| 18:04.14 | sorphin | prpplague: ok, you *are* nuts |
| 18:04.20 | sorphin | that's too much bloat :P |
| 18:04.24 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I don't have Matchbox set up - so you'll have to wait for the source code |
| 18:04.26 | prpplague | sorphin: hell of a lot better qt |
| 18:04.41 | prpplague | sorphin: it runs 5x faster than qt |
| 18:04.41 | sorphin | prpplague: details |
| 18:04.56 | sorphin | prpplague: this is 206mhz SA pda :P |
| 18:04.57 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: np |
| 18:05.00 | sorphin | not a pr0n webserver |
| 18:05.02 | sorphin | :P |
| 18:05.11 | prpplague | sorphin: ya well, i like my stuff responsive |
| 18:05.21 | sorphin | prpplague: i've had no response probs |
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| 18:08.15 | prpplague | sorphin: ya well, qt is totally unusable compared to my x built |
| 18:08.33 | sorphin | prpplague: well ,you also use POS devices, so... |
| 18:08.33 | chouimat | prpplague: speed freak |
| 18:08.48 | prpplague | chouimat: no i just want it usuable |
| 18:09.09 | chouimat | prpplague: hehe |
| 18:09.26 | prpplague | whole purpose of having an open OS on a pda, to make it do what _you_ want/need it to do |
| 18:09.42 | prpplague | each to his own |
| 18:10.29 | chouimat | prpplague: yup |
| 18:15.10 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: looks great |
| 18:15.38 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: now if i just had mastermind and my beer app, i'd be happy |
| 18:15.47 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: it worked? |
| 18:15.57 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yep installed and working |
| 18:16.02 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: no shit |
| 18:16.12 | CosmicPenguin | wonders != cease |
| 18:16.14 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: umm |
| 18:16.52 | sorphin | are the images you have up there Z vs ipaq actually diff in layout, etc? (just a suggestion of using differing file names if so, just in case :) ) |
| 18:17.12 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: yeah, I know. |
| 18:17.15 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: they are different |
| 18:19.17 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: heres a hint - don't enable the automatic power shutoff |
| 18:19.24 | sorphin | hehe |
| 18:19.52 | CosmicPenguin | apparently, it shuts off even if you are using it |
| 18:20.05 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: doh |
| 18:21.48 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: what what it take to convert a fltk app to flnx? |
| 18:22.09 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: nothing |
| 18:22.56 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: just need to link to the flnx lib instead? |
| 18:23.01 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: yep |
| 18:23.15 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I've got the forms app running on the Ipaq right now |
| 18:25.35 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: have you got a flnx download i can use? |
| 18:28.44 | CosmicPenguin | ftp://ftp.viewml.com/pub/flnx |
| 18:30.23 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: do i need the microwindows stuff as well? |
| 18:30.27 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: yeah |
| 18:30.32 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: get it from CVS |
| 18:30.33 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: fudge |
| 18:30.47 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: it will get better faster, I promise |
| 18:30.54 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: want a MW tarball? |
| 18:31.07 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: if you don't mind |
| 18:31.14 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: ok. give me three seconds |
| 18:31.18 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'd like to try some my fltk apps |
| 18:32.14 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: np, there are some mw tarballs on that ftp site as well |
| 18:32.29 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: don't use em, |
| 18:33.00 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: oh |
| 18:33.41 | prpplague | man i got some catching up to do |
| 18:33.57 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I'll build you a diff against microwindows-0.89 |
| 18:34.22 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ok |
| 18:34.51 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: flnx-17? |
| 18:37.03 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: thats the one |
| 18:38.32 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmm, notes app doesn't take keyboard input |
| 18:39.27 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: actually all the apps don't seem to take keyboard input |
| 18:40.07 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: on the Z? |
| 18:40.12 | prpplague | yea |
| 18:40.16 | CosmicPenguin | lets see |
| 18:40.34 | CosmicPenguin | Mine does |
| 18:40.44 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmm, let me reboot and check |
| 18:40.50 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: before you do |
| 18:40.56 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: make sure that you remove the console from tty1 |
| 18:41.14 | CosmicPenguin | and make sure that the CONSOLE environment variable is set to /dev/tty1 |
| 18:41.21 | CosmicPenguin | the nxstart.sh script should handle that for you |
| 18:42.15 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya i'm not getting a shell on the terminal app as well |
| 18:42.25 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: thats different |
| 18:45.12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmm, looks like the script is setting CONSOLE=/dev/tty1 |
| 18:46.27 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: ok |
| 18:46.32 | CosmicPenguin | 5500? |
| 18:46.42 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea |
| 18:46.45 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: for the terminal, you'll need to mknod ttyp0 and ptyp0 |
| 18:46.54 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: right |
| 18:47.17 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: what do you mean by "remove the console from tty1" ? |
| 18:47.24 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: in the inittab |
| 18:47.37 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ahh |
| 18:48.12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you mean the getty |
| 18:48.19 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: yeah... :) |
| 18:48.25 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: sorry - I was thinking console at the time |
| 18:48.55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: np |
| 18:52.18 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: so your starting the nxstart.sh from run level 1? |
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| 18:54.52 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: this looks great |
| 18:55.04 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: just like i remembered it |
| 18:55.26 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: imho this beats the pants off qt |
| 18:56.17 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I hope so... :) |
| 18:57.04 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: just need a build environment setup now |
| 18:57.17 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I've got one... :) |
| 18:57.36 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: The icons across the bottom are applet plugins, so you can add your own widgets |
| 18:57.45 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I'm going to make a caller ID applet for the Tuxscreen |
| 18:58.37 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: fun |
| 18:58.46 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya i ment, i need one :) |
| 19:06.50 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: flnx and mw builds seem to be very organized and well documented |
| 19:08.25 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: ? |
| 19:08.30 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: could have fooled me |
| 19:13.18 | CosmicPenguin | Well, folks thats it for me this week. |
| 19:13.29 | CosmicPenguin | Have fun and be kind to my bandwidth |
| 19:14.09 | CosmicPenguin | I've got to go get one of those marriage licence thingy |
| 19:14.10 | CosmicPenguin | s |
| 19:14.13 | CosmicPenguin | byte |
| 19:16.32 | prpplague | argh |
| 19:16.39 | prpplague | he forget to give me a patch |
| 19:26.00 | sorphin | prpplague: oops :P |
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| 19:41.42 | sorphin | ade|desk: lo |
| 19:49.54 | GPSFan | hey prpplague: sorphin: pixil looks really nice on my TuxScreen! congrats to CosmicPenguin... |
| 19:50.46 | sorphin | cool |
| 19:51.16 | sorphin | GPSFan: you got anything around you can salvage a 72 pinner from? *g* |
| 19:51.25 | sorphin | Error403: shaddup |
| 19:51.39 | sorphin | Error403: i don't want anything more outta you about tslib :P |
| 19:51.39 | sorphin | *g* |
| 19:51.41 | Error403 | just mumbling ;) |
| 19:51.53 | Error403 | sorry if you heard it ;) hehe |
| 19:52.05 | GPSFan | sorphin: yeah, I think I've an old dead motherboard that I'm scrounging parts from. |
| 19:52.08 | sorphin | ~bitchslap kergoth |
| 19:52.09 | | ACTION beats the sh*t out of kergoth |
| 19:53.11 | Error403 | kergoth: I'm about to go crazy. The possible source of the problem is in qapplication_qws.cpp in ::dispatchMouseEvent (or such). Seems it gets the mouse click, but then ignores it for a reason I have yet to determine. |
| 19:53.30 | sorphin | Error403: it doesn't like you :P |
| 19:54.21 | GPSFan | sorphin: it's got 4 72pin simm sockets |
| 19:54.45 | sorphin | cool |
| 19:55.16 | sorphin | got any tin snips? ;) |
| 19:56.03 | sorphin | or a band saw *g* |
| 19:56.33 | GPSFan | why? you need a s72pin socket? |
| 19:56.54 | sorphin | yeah, actually |
| 19:57.18 | sorphin | that'd be the easiest way to hook the webpal simm to something |
| 19:58.00 | GPSFan | ah, i see now. maybe I can suck it out of the board this weekend. |
| 19:58.25 | GPSFan | man, pixil makes my tux usefull, |
| 19:58.33 | sorphin | GPSFan: the reason i mentioned snips is instead of all that desoldering *g* |
| 19:58.36 | sorphin | GPSFan: hehe |
| 19:58.41 | sorphin | now you know why we bugged him for it ;) |
| 19:58.43 | ade|desk | sorphin: lo |
| 19:59.00 | prpplague | man this is gonna rock when we get the source |
| 19:59.43 | sorphin | prpplague: keep your POS'in frellin hands outta there |
| 20:00.21 | prpplague | sorphin: fltk is my territory bud |
| 20:00.23 | GPSFan | sorphin: unless you have a good desoldering station you will make a mess out of it, I am still using that board for parts and if I get a few min's over the weekend I'll pull one off for you. |
| 20:00.34 | sorphin | prpplague: uh huh |
| 20:00.50 | sorphin | GPSFan: k, appreciate it |
| 20:01.14 | sorphin | GPSFan: man i owe you *g* |
| 20:01.31 | GPSFan | sorphin: I always knew that pixil was a great app , I just don't like to bug people who are much better at progamming than I am. |
| 20:01.55 | sorphin | hehe |
| 20:02.00 | sorphin | GPSFan: our buggin him |
| 20:02.03 | sorphin | is why he finished it |
| 20:02.11 | sorphin | he almost gave up a few times |
| 20:02.56 | GPSFan | sorphin: yeah I know, once the source is released it will be possible to polish all the loose ends, I just had a crash. |
| 20:03.18 | sorphin | GPSFan: hmm |
| 20:03.32 | sorphin | GPSFan: make a note of it, so you can let him know what happened |
| 20:05.15 | chouimat | prpplague: picture of the ramses http://schurig.homelinux.net/ramses.jpg http://schurig.homelinux.net/ramsespinguin.jpg |
| 20:05.17 | GPSFan | sorphin: I was busy typing to you, it went to sleep and I tried to bring it out with a keystroke, don't really know what happened next but it rebooted. also there are a lot of odd messages popping out the console. |
| 20:06.27 | sorphin | GPSFan: doh |
| 20:06.48 | GPSFan | bbl |
| 20:07.10 | sorphin | k |
| 20:07.47 | prpplague | chouimat: very nice |
| 20:08.54 | prpplague | chouimat: great looking device |
| 20:08.59 | prpplague | chouimat: target price? |
| 20:09.18 | chouimat | prpplague: the guy didn't know yet |
| 20:18.34 | Russ | *yawn* |
| 20:29.18 | file | chouimat: if it's not raining tomorrow I'm planning on biking down to the post office. |
| 20:30.06 | glytchbinary | file, you say that like its an adventure |
| 20:30.32 | file | glytchbinary: the post office is on the other side of town... |
| 20:30.47 | file | glytchbinary: and I must bike |
| 20:31.20 | ade|desk | file: its good for your legs to get some exercise |
| 20:31.25 | glytchbinary | my bike got stolen, i walk everywhere, and its starting to get hot |
| 20:31.46 | file | ade|desk: I walk to/from school everyday |
| 20:32.03 | glytchbinary | so do i |
| 20:32.06 | ade|desk | file: as do i |
| 20:32.25 | glytchbinary | and it has brought me to love my archos recorder 20 mp3 player |
| 20:32.42 | file | hehe |
| 20:33.51 | ade|desk | i use my conversation skills with my gf to/from uni |
| 20:34.01 | ade|desk | i dont have an mp3 player :( |
| 20:34.56 | glytchbinary | ade|desk: that sucks man, you should get an mp3 player |
| 20:35.17 | glytchbinary | might wanna get one for your girlfriend too, might bother her that you are suddenly not using those conversation skills on the way to the uni |
| 20:35.19 | ade|desk | a minidisc works well enough |
| 20:35.53 | ade|desk | i could get a headphone jack splitter :) |
| 20:36.31 | glytchbinary | i need a headphone jack coupler.. |
| 20:36.51 | glytchbinary | so i can hook all my sound emitting this into my computer speakers at once |
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| 20:37.13 | file | all the leaves are brown and the sky is grey... |
| 20:37.34 | ade|desk | ... and the sky is grey ... |
| 20:38.26 | file | I should get around to setting up VMWare someday... |
| 20:44.13 | glytchbinary | http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mil.millington/things.html |
| 20:44.22 | glytchbinary | kept me intertained for a bit |
| 20:44.24 | glytchbinary | kinda funny |
| 20:49.06 | ade|desk | lol |
| 20:49.09 | ade|desk | agreed |
| 20:57.57 | glytchbinary | oh god, i'm about 1/4 of the way through(calculating 1/4 as the distance the scrollbar is down the page with 1280x1024 resolution) and its funny as hell |
| 20:58.51 | Russ | http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT6499834574.html |
| 21:34.11 | prpplague | anyone playing with pixil? |
| 21:34.25 | Russ | cosmicpengiun is |
| 21:34.36 | prpplague | Russ: i know he is :) |
| 21:34.43 | Russ | he's got some pictures of it on an ipaq, a zaurus (i think) and a tux |
| 21:34.49 | prpplague | Russ: i meant with the new images |
| 21:34.55 | Russ | oh, someone besides him... |
| 21:35.38 | Russ | I need to get my tuxscreen working as a answering machine/voip phone/something neat on the screen |
| 21:35.56 | Russ | answering messages would of course be speex encoded and emailed to the correct party |
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| 21:39.15 | prpplague | holy split batman |
| 21:42.04 | GPSFan | hey prpplague: I've got the pixil image running on my tux.. |
| 21:42.06 | chouimat | prpplague: wb |
| 21:43.50 | prpplague | GPSFan: hmm, you have any problems with the terminal ? |
| 21:44.47 | GPSFan | prpplague: yep, bring up the terminal and type an up-arrow. bye-bye... |
| 21:45.52 | prpplague | GPSFan: well, i fixed the ttyp problem but about 1 out every 4 times i open the terminal i get no shell |
| 21:46.03 | GPSFan | the serial console says "Got an EINTR, This is probably a SIGPIPE. closing client |
| 21:46.24 | GPSFan | nxclient: lost connection to Nano-x server. |
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| 21:47.58 | GPSFan | I can run nxstart.sh again and pixil strats up again, the up-arrow crash is pretty consistant. |
| 21:49.22 | GPSFan | just started the terminal 10 times in a row, got a shell each time. |
| 21:51.21 | file | how is Pixil anyway? |
| 21:53.02 | GPSFan | file: pixil is cool, prpplague: the terminal doesn't like to do a cat, or more. |
| 21:53.20 | Russ | ibot: pixil? |
| 21:53.20 | | Russ: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 21:56.07 | Russ | ibot: pixil is http://embedded.censoft.com/pixil |
| 21:56.08 | | okay, Russ |
| 21:58.26 | prpplague | GPSFan: ya looks like so work is needed |
| 22:00.52 | GPSFan | prpplague: yeah, but atm it's still looking nice, there seems to be some networking stuff, maybe even wireless too. |
| 22:01.40 | GPSFan | prpplague: needs more eyes on the source, and some real open source development. |
| 22:01.53 | prpplague | GPSFan: amen |
| 22:02.00 | chouimat | Solent green Is People |
| 22:05.32 | levi | Mmm, soylent green |
| 22:06.40 | prpplague | mmmmmm, soylent green with ranch dressing |
| 22:07.41 | levi | Italian dressing for me, please. |
| 22:09.39 | chouimat | grilled for me |
| 22:36.52 | *** join/#elinux Morn (~julie@h00045a64626e.ne.client2.attbi.com) |
| 23:13.50 | prpplague | anyone know how to pass a geomtry arg to a gtk ap? |
| 23:16.29 | chouimat|food | prpplague: nope |
| 23:32.05 | Morn | loading pixil on the tuxscreen now |
