| 00:00.13 | sorphin | but she'd eat the other stuff too |
| 00:00.34 | sorphin | TomW`food: it cames w/ a dust cover |
| 00:00.43 | sorphin | tho more like just a plastic bag in appearance |
| 00:02.32 | sorphin | TomW`food: according to this sheet |
| 00:02.44 | sorphin | max height: 14 3/4" |
| 00:02.47 | sorphin | base size 10x10 |
| 00:02.55 | sorphin | boom length 16.5" |
| 00:08.18 | sorphin | TomW: sound good enough? *g* |
| 00:08.31 | TomW | yeah, I use a rude cloth bag with Motorola imprinted on it that I throw over it when it is not done. |
| 00:08.55 | sorphin | TomW: not done ? |
| 00:09.05 | sorphin | and actually too i was talking about the base size |
| 00:16.44 | sorphin | cool |
| 00:16.50 | sorphin | the guy just mailed me back |
| 00:17.05 | sorphin | flood of sorts: |
| 00:17.07 | sorphin | his is quite unusual. We had a really bad winter this year and I know that |
| 00:17.07 | sorphin | during one of our shipments, there were some delays in the arrival of our |
| 00:17.07 | sorphin | goods because of the winter storm. When we received this last batch of boom |
| 00:17.07 | sorphin | stands some of our boxes, though dry, looked like they had been wet earlier |
| 00:17.07 | sorphin | on. I'm just thinking that this particular box must have experienced water |
| 00:17.14 | sorphin | damage.The water probably soaked into the base and this may have |
| 00:17.14 | sorphin | contributed to the rust. I'm not sure this is in fact what happend, but |
| 00:17.14 | sorphin | we'll certainly do everything to correct this situation for you and this is |
| 00:17.14 | sorphin | one of the reasons why we have earned a 100% satisifaction rating. |
| 00:17.43 | sorphin | TomW: here's the 2 options they give me |
| 00:17.45 | sorphin | a) we can ship you a replacement base. You can keep the base that was |
| 00:17.45 | sorphin | originally shipped out until the replacement one arrives. Once that base |
| 00:17.45 | sorphin | arrives, please send it back to us by ground service USPS. We'll re-imburse |
| 00:17.45 | sorphin | you for the cost of shipping the base back to us. |
| 00:17.45 | sorphin | b) if the rust isn't too bad, and if it's in a spot where a little bit of |
| 00:17.46 | sorphin | touch up paint will take care of the rust, we can certainly provide you with |
| 00:17.48 | sorphin | a discount of $20 if you would like to keep the current base. |
| 00:18.49 | sorphin | btw, sorry for the flooding everyone |
| 00:21.17 | sorphin | TomW: which would you do? |
| 00:25.06 | chouimat|away | TomW: the money order is sent |
| 00:36.04 | jacques | hi guys |
| 00:43.40 | chouimat | TomW`cigar: can you dcc one here ;) |
| 00:44.00 | TomW`cigar | mmm, ..., no |
| 00:44.26 | chouimat | TomW`cigar: hehe I just meet the new boy friend of my ex-wife :) |
| 00:44.39 | sorphin | TomW`cigar: heh |
| 00:44.47 | sorphin | i'm gonna have em replace the base |
| 00:44.52 | TomW`cigar | I have two of these little beauties and I intend on smoking them both tonite. Sorry :( |
| 00:45.04 | sorphin | smoking, yuck |
| 00:45.10 | chouimat | TomW`cigar: port wine? |
| 00:45.16 | TomW`cigar | Smoking good, good smoke. |
| 00:45.33 | TomW`cigar | me smokum cigar, good tom. |
| 00:45.39 | chouimat | just drank 8 beers and I need to eat something |
| 00:46.02 | TomW`cigar | naw, no booze, I had to cut that Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back. |
| 00:46.33 | TomW`cigar | my doctor gave me a choice, the booze or the cigars... |
| 00:46.47 | TomW`cigar | I don't miss Scotch, much. |
| 00:46.58 | chouimat | TomW`cigar: just spent the 5-7 with the guy who is fucking my ex-wife .... and I needed something to not laught in his face |
| 00:47.12 | TomW`cigar | heh |
| 00:47.22 | TomW`cigar | hoo-boy! |
| 00:48.07 | chouimat | TomW`cigar: exactly ...you will get the money order in 4 to 8 days |
| 00:48.21 | TomW`cigar | ex-wives are like farts, they smell bad, offend everyone and you just cannot wait until they go away. |
| 00:48.42 | chouimat | TomW`cigar: I want my kitchen table back |
| 00:48.51 | TomW`cigar | tough |
| 00:49.04 | TomW`cigar | I want those 6+ years I wasted with that bitch. |
| 00:49.43 | chouimat | TomW`cigar: was married 5 years with her ..(spend 7 years ....) and I'm only 29 :( |
| 00:49.54 | TomW`cigar | Am I angry about it? Do I wish her a crappy life? naw |
| 00:50.06 | TomW`cigar | just happy that she went away. |
| 00:50.58 | TomW`cigar | chouimat: BTDT, cheer up, it gets worse. |
| 00:51.00 | chouimat | TomW`cigar: me too but the guy is one of my firend so I don't want him to have the same problems ... but maybe they ment to be togheter |
| 00:51.45 | chouimat | TomW`cigar: I have the choice between a 18 years old chiick or a 28 one (but she 3 kids with 3 different guys) |
| 00:51.56 | TomW`cigar | ok, I am not going to talk about my ex, it will spoil the teste of my cigar. ;) |
| 00:52.31 | chouimat | hehe ... I'm ordering a pizza need to eat something |
| 00:52.49 | TomW`cigar | I wonder if I should go the whole route tonite and get some ice cream too? |
| 00:52.55 | TomW`cigar | decisions, decisions... |
| 00:53.02 | jacques | me hungry now |
| 00:53.21 | TomW`cigar | I'm off, tomorrow I go away on a three day weekend! Hooray! |
| 00:53.40 | chouimat | TomW`cigar: I'm wondering if I get out tonight .... |
| 00:53.59 | jacques | i have tomorrow off but no plans |
| 00:54.31 | chouimat | jacques: me too ... I have the next 2 weeks off |
| 00:54.33 | TomW`cigar | I need the weekend off, I need to get away. I'm afraid I may have pissed a customer off. |
| 00:55.02 | chouimat | TomW`cigar: best paying one or worst paying one? |
| 00:55.41 | TomW`cigar | He asked me to quote him on something, then a few weeks later (today), I sent him some email about the project. He told me that he was having one of his inhouse people working on it. I said "thanks for letting me waste my time researching this". |
| 00:56.36 | TomW`cigar | essentially that is what I said. Then I took a drive this afternoon... I should have taken the drive _before_ in drafted the email reply? |
| 00:56.52 | TomW`cigar | s/_before in/_before I/ |
| 00:56.59 | TomW`cigar | oh well. |
| 00:57.11 | chouimat | TomW`cigar: that sux |
| 00:57.51 | TomW`cigar | trouble with email is that you cannot claim that you were mumbling something else. :( |
| 00:58.44 | TomW`cigar | chouimat: I was ready to order another computer to use for the project and an Atmel EVB for the AT91M40008 processor. |
| 00:58.44 | cchouimat|brb | I need to go buy some food |
| 00:59.40 | cchouimat|brb | I have the scemaatic for a board with the at90s2313 |
| 01:00.07 | TomW`ice_cream | decision made. |
| 01:00.27 | cchouimat|brb | TomW`ice_cream: me too I'm going to the grocery store .... |
| 01:05.07 | sorphin | TomW`ice_cream: i can see the pins and how |
| 01:15.55 | chouimat | sorphin: blah |
| 01:16.36 | chouimat | kergoth: just got a phone call from a guy in switzerland ... I want to marry my mother |
| 01:16.46 | kergoth | err? |
| 01:17.26 | chouimat | kergoth: my mother is working as a nurse in switzerland and she meet someone las year the guy just called me |
| 01:17.36 | kergoth | ah |
| 01:17.55 | chouimat | kergoth: since I'm the oldestr child he want my approbation :) |
| 01:18.17 | sorphin | chouimat: ummm work on grammar then :P |
| 01:18.55 | chouimat | sorphin: he speak french .... he's from Quiebec City but hee live in lausanne since 1963 |
| 01:19.41 | sorphin | chouimat: well, you said "i want to marry my mother".. which sounds... bad |
| 01:19.54 | chouimat | sorphin: 8 beers :) |
| 01:20.01 | sorphin | no excuse |
| 01:20.40 | chouimat | sorphin: I == he inn french :) |
| 01:25.31 | Morn | re's |
| 01:28.28 | Morn | I wonder if I can do a pivot root with familar easily on the ipaq |
| 01:29.18 | kergoth | pivot_root onto what? should work fine |
| 01:29.28 | Morn | onto the cf card |
| 01:29.52 | Morn | since moving /usr to the CF card didn't work out too well |
| 01:30.10 | kergoth | yeah, thatd work |
| 01:30.22 | Morn | I have a 256MB CF card |
| 01:30.28 | Morn | seems a waste not to use it |
| 01:30.57 | file | Morn: mmm... microwave it... |
| 01:31.10 | Morn | I don't own a microwave |
| 01:35.57 | chouimat | hey file |
| 01:36.04 | file | hey chouimat |
| 01:36.15 | file | Morn: a microwave is VERY handy |
| 01:36.24 | file | chouimat: how goes your Webpal? |
| 01:37.28 | chouimat | file: on my dexk |
| 01:37.48 | file | chouimat: interesting, hehe |
| 01:38.38 | chouimat | file: ordered one ? brb my supper is in the oven ... need to check |
| 01:38.44 | kergoth | and... usb-storage strikes again |
| 01:38.49 | kergoth | panic |
| 01:39.19 | chouimat | kergoth: ck4? |
| 01:39.29 | file | chouimat: nah, decided to put the money away for a case and psu for a fileserver for my LAN :) |
| 01:39.55 | kergoth | chouimat: yep |
| 01:40.15 | chouimat | file: ok btw I'm waiting forr my brother who need a flash advance before ordering a gp32 ( I owe him 80 bucks) |
| 01:40.26 | file | chouimat: hehe |
| 01:40.31 | Morn | my next investment is the next generation server |
| 01:40.43 | kergoth | the next generation server? |
| 01:40.54 | file | I just need a case and PSU |
| 01:40.54 | Morn | I run a public web/shell/mail/etc server |
| 01:41.03 | Morn | I'm going to build a new box for the server |
| 01:41.26 | kergoth | ah |
| 01:41.40 | chouimat | Morn: my next investment is in a new girlfriend |
| 01:42.21 | kergoth | chouimat: big investment |
| 01:42.37 | file | I might raid the computer cases in the physics classroom... (they're for my grand project anyway) |
| 01:42.55 | file | could probably get a few hardrives, use linear or raid0 and make them all one... it could work |
| 01:43.12 | chouimat | kergoth: yup I was married for 5 years .... and after 3 years a guy get bored of 1 night stand :) |
| 01:50.00 | file | anybody ever mess with distcc? |
| 01:50.25 | kergoth | distcc rocks. |
| 01:54.26 | chouimat | file doesn't have accept ot the 60 boxes anymore to test distcc |
| 01:56.07 | file | hehe |
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| 02:15.56 | chouimat | bye file |
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| 12:41.43 | sorphin | GPSFan: mornin |
| 12:45.04 | GPSFan | sorphin: morning dan, how's the microscope working? |
| 12:59.59 | sorphin | only messed w/ it a lil last night, i think i'm gonna take his 2nd option and have him send me a new base |
| 13:06.30 | GPSFan | sorphin: nice that he offered both options, sounds like he might be one of the "few good sellers". how bad is the rust? |
| 13:10.18 | sorphin | GPSFan: well, it's not *bad* bad, but it's annoying enough, plus the threads on couple of the locking knobs were stripped |
| 13:10.29 | sorphin | which sealed it's fate |
| 13:11.00 | sorphin | plys i have a 14 day, complete return deal too anyways, regardless (right of return thing) |
| 13:11.22 | GPSFan | sorphin: yeah, stripped threads, would have me shipping it back asap. on a used unit "maybe" on a new unit "NEVER"! |
| 13:11.40 | sorphin | yeah |
| 13:12.01 | sorphin | i'm almost thinking about the reducer for some times |
| 13:12.04 | GPSFan | how are the optics? |
| 13:12.07 | sorphin | i was trying that thing on the floor |
| 13:12.25 | sorphin | damn 3.75 puts it down low :P *g* |
| 13:13.44 | GPSFan | yep, the diopter is a must IMHO, 3-4" isn't enough working distance for smt work. gotta get your big fat hands & soldering iron, or probes in there. |
| 13:14.25 | sorphin | GPSFan: apparently it's enough for tomw |
| 13:14.30 | sorphin | he's the one that talked me out of it :P |
| 13:15.57 | GPSFan | sorphin: well, I wonder if he has ever used one? I sure like to have room to work. |
| 13:16.26 | sorphin | he has one |
| 13:16.56 | sorphin | GPSFan: http://www.openhardware.net/pics/microscope.gif |
| 13:17.15 | sorphin | that's "his" (very extended loan apparently) |
| 13:18.23 | GPSFan | hmm, well ymmv, it took me a few years to find one for my B & L at a price I could afford. while using one at work, kept driving me on to find one. ;>) |
| 13:19.46 | sorphin | well, i can get a reducer |
| 13:19.48 | sorphin | that's no prob |
| 13:20.08 | sorphin | GPSFan: i gotta take off (if i can figure out how) the left top optic |
| 13:20.17 | sorphin | looks like somehow something got in |
| 13:20.43 | sorphin | bbl, gotta leave for work in a min |
| 13:20.59 | GPSFan | cu later. |
| 13:21.21 | GPSFan | ibot friday |
| 13:21.21 | | Friday sucks, because it should be the weekend, but you're stuck working anyway. |
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| 13:51.52 | GPSFan | prpplague: morning |
| 13:52.50 | prpplague | morning folks |
| 14:03.35 | sjhill | yay, usb works on my mips board now...helps if you actually use the correct clock frequency |
| 14:04.02 | prpplague | sjhill: hey hey |
| 14:04.11 | sjhill | hi prpplague |
| 14:04.20 | sjhill | how goeth the search? |
| 14:04.32 | prpplague | sjhill: which search? :) |
| 14:06.24 | prpplague | sjhill: it looks like the server side is gonna be around for awhile so i still have a job for now, its just that i'd rather have something in embedded linux development |
| 14:07.23 | sjhill | *nod* |
| 14:08.52 | prpplague | sjhill: i'm hopin that BZFlag can get me in at TI in the omap division |
| 14:09.41 | sjhill | i hope it works out for you |
| 14:10.08 | sjhill | at least you have a job...that's better than being layed off |
| 14:10.13 | sjhill | and having to search |
| 14:10.45 | Russ | searching sucks |
| 14:13.01 | prpplague | sjhill: agreed |
| 14:14.15 | CosmicPenguin | morning people |
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| 14:19.34 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: morning |
| 14:19.36 | chouimat | morning |
| 14:20.39 | sorphin | lo |
| 14:20.51 | chouimat | hi sorphin prpplague |
| 14:21.14 | sorphin | chouimat: morning mat |
| 14:24.55 | sjhill | sorphin: hey whipping boy |
| 14:25.11 | sorphin | sjhill: that's lackey to you |
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| 14:27.07 | sorphin | i need one of those "I don't work here" shirts :P |
| 14:27.56 | sjhill | lol |
| 14:28.12 | sieve | morning all |
| 14:29.16 | prpplague | sjhill: whats the trick in getting wince to recognize flash cards? |
| 14:29.38 | sorphin | prpplague: large blunt object |
| 14:29.44 | sjhill | prpplague: what version of wince? |
| 14:29.47 | prpplague | sjhill: i've got a flash card loaded but can't seem to get this darn vr4181 unit to show up in the explore |
| 14:30.44 | sjhill | prpplague: on the nino, i had to download a wince software patch from philips and onto the nino in order for CF cards to work |
| 14:30.58 | sjhill | prpplague: i suspect the same on the vr4181...dunno' |
| 14:31.08 | prpplague | sjhill: ok thanks |
| 14:31.13 | prpplague | sjhill: i'll have a look |
| 14:31.22 | prpplague | sjhill: where the hell do you find the cd version? |
| 14:33.28 | sorphin | played my 1st game on my xbox last nigher.. man that controller is annoying to use |
| 14:33.45 | sjhill | prpplague: cd version of what? |
| 14:33.54 | sjhill | prpplague: oh |
| 14:34.18 | sjhill | prpplague: you want a wince cdrom? did you not get one with your unit? |
| 14:34.52 | prpplague | sjhill: negative, i've already contacted the supplier, they are shipping a complete sdk |
| 14:35.04 | sjhill | ah |
| 14:35.21 | sjhill | if that doesn't pan out, i can rip you a copy of the wince cdrom |
| 14:35.40 | CosmicPenguin | Anyone here using opie? |
| 14:35.55 | prpplague | sjhill: i think i'm about to get into one of those really geeky modes for the next few months :) |
| 14:35.56 | sjhill | you can also get version wince 2.2 services from my ftp site -> ftp://ftp.realitydiluted.com/Nino/Philips-WWW-Mirror/wces22-update |
| 14:36.07 | sjhill | heh |
| 14:36.25 | prpplague | sjhill: ahh thanks |
| 14:36.31 | sjhill | fsck M$ |
| 14:36.37 | prpplague | sjhill: lol |
| 14:37.04 | prpplague | sjhill: did you hear me talking about this symbol unit yesterday? |
| 14:37.36 | prpplague | sjhill: it has an internal switch connected to a gpio, if you open the cover it wipes the flash |
| 14:38.19 | sjhill | oh that's cute |
| 14:38.30 | sjhill | jerks |
| 14:38.38 | Russ | prpplague: kill the battery |
| 14:39.19 | prpplague | Russ: it has an internal backup battery |
| 14:39.32 | prpplague | Russ: but after i got it open i disconnect it |
| 14:41.55 | prpplague | sjhill: mmmmmm, shame on you! you have decss on your web page.......... |
| 14:42.54 | prpplague | sjhill: nice collection of docs |
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| 14:44.40 | sjhill | thx |
| 14:44.45 | sjhill | it's going to get even better |
| 14:44.50 | sjhill | i have about 200mb more to upload |
| 14:48.17 | prpplague | sjhill: i really need to get my pages in order |
| 14:48.33 | prpplague | sjhill: i have small-linux.com |
| 14:48.55 | prpplague | sjhill: i'd like to post alot of howto and info docs, just can't ever seem to find the time |
| 14:55.01 | sorphin | everything never wanted to know about mips and were definately afraid to ask, by Steven J Hill |
| 15:04.04 | sjhill | heh |
| 15:04.12 | sjhill | be afraid, be very afraid |
| 15:06.47 | Russ | hmm...bb.org just sent me a duplicate email from 3 weeks ago |
| 15:06.54 | Russ | that might be a bad sign |
| 15:06.58 | sorphin | sjhill: and of course we can't forget your new phone #, 1-900-mips4j00 |
| 15:07.10 | sorphin | Russ: hmm |
| 15:07.24 | sjhill | lol |
| 15:07.34 | sjhill | that reminds me, megatokyo |
| 15:07.40 | sorphin | ? |
| 15:08.43 | Russ | I need caffine |
| 15:08.52 | Russ | I'm going to go refill my 64 oz'r |
| 15:09.57 | sjhill | sorphin: megatokyo.com |
| 15:10.05 | sjhill | one of my favorite strips |
| 15:11.21 | sorphin | i dun get todays |
| 15:11.44 | kergoth | hey |
| 15:12.16 | sorphin | lo chris |
| 15:12.32 | sjhill | word up kergoth |
| 15:15.05 | Russ | is megatokoyo ECN disabled or something? |
| 15:15.17 | Russ | wait, there it goes |
| 15:15.41 | sjhill | Russ: it takes a while |
| 15:23.54 | Russ | http://dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert2003036584418.gif |
| 15:26.40 | sjhill | lol |
| 15:26.49 | sjhill | i saw that earlier this week....that is so Wally |
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| 15:30.03 | chouimat | hmmmmm I really need coffeee |
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| 15:32.29 | Error403 | Hello, I'm using a Tuxscreen (or at least trying to use it) and I have a uclibc development image for arm on an NFS mount. I've managed to successfully set it all up and pivot_root, but when I get a shell in the new root I always get "reading directory .: invalid argument". Ideas? :/ |
| 15:33.11 | Error403 | Research on google turns up very very little (only 1 thread), but no answers |
| 15:38.59 | Russ | where does "reading directory" come from? |
| 15:40.23 | Error403 | any directory |
| 15:40.26 | Error403 | oh |
| 15:40.26 | Error403 | ld |
| 15:40.28 | Error403 | err |
| 15:40.28 | Error403 | ls |
| 15:40.46 | Error403 | executing commands works |
| 15:43.11 | prpplague | chouimat: 6809? not familiar with that one |
| 15:43.41 | chouimat | prpplague: Motorola 6809 (8bits) used in the Tandy Color Computer |
| 15:44.12 | prpplague | chouimat: ahh |
| 15:45.03 | chouimat | prpplague: and I like the os on that thing .... OS-9, multitasking, gui etc ... |
| 15:46.04 | Russ | I mean what binary |
| 15:46.19 | Russ | I've coded for the 6809 |
| 15:46.54 | chouimat | Russ: I have a working one here ..... man I miss that zaxxon game ... |
| 15:47.35 | Error403 | Russ: 'ls' using the uclibc arm development image |
| 15:49.05 | Russ | is ls part of busybox? |
| 15:51.00 | Error403 | No, it's gnu core utils, but when I try to use busybox's 'ls' it doesn't list anything (where there should be plenty) and it also gives no error message |
| 15:52.48 | Russ | "And a Federal Aviation Administration spokesman says there's no specific prohibition against flying naked." |
| 15:53.03 | Error403 | heh |
| 15:53.05 | Russ | did you grep the ls source for "reading directory"? |
| 15:53.13 | Error403 | Er, no |
| 15:53.22 | Russ | http://www.usatoday.com/travel/news/2003/2003-04-25-sw-naked-pilots.htm |
| 15:53.49 | Error403 | I suppose I could go that route, but I just wanted to see if any of you have seen that before |
| 15:53.52 | Error403 | kergoth? :) |
| 15:54.05 | Russ | I think you woke him up |
| 15:54.21 | Error403 | heh |
| 15:55.09 | sorphin | it's impossible to wake kergoth up w/o a caffeine dart or 50 |
| 15:57.33 | kergoth | ibot: friday |
| 15:57.34 | | Friday sucks, because it should be the weekend, but you're stuck working anyway. |
| 15:59.01 | CosmicPenguin | grrr... how do you recover when the apm suspends the Z? |
| 15:59.23 | Error403 | so... meanwhile when I download the source to coreutils.. anyone ever get opie running on the Tux? That's what I'm trying to accomplish now, I'm pretty far... just need to make a cross compile for opie itself |
| 15:59.43 | Error403 | CosmicPenguin: Turn it back on (using Cancel) |
| 16:00.01 | CosmicPenguin | uh - sorry |
| 16:00.15 | Error403 | :) |
| 16:00.38 | CosmicPenguin | No - sorry, because this POS doesn't work |
| 16:00.39 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: in console, automatic suspend, the Z will never awaken. bug in the apm subsystem in lineo's kernel |
| 16:00.46 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: ahh... |
| 16:00.47 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: suspend with apm -s, and it'll awaken. or kill apmd. |
| 16:00.57 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: I was in graphical mode though |
| 16:00.59 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: same issue? |
| 16:01.01 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: but of course killing apmd means you lose the ability to run suspend/resume scripts, which is fairly useful |
| 16:01.09 | kergoth | if you're in Opie, it runs apm -s to suspend |
| 16:01.12 | kergoth | then you shoudlnt see the issue |
| 16:01.31 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: it just happened for some strange reason |
| 16:01.40 | kergoth | odd |
| 16:01.45 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: which key resumes then? |
| 16:01.55 | kergoth | cancel |
| 16:01.57 | Error403 | kergoth: Sorry to pester, but do you have any idea about my error (besides myself ;) ) |
| 16:01.59 | kergoth | same as sharp |
| 16:02.00 | CosmicPenguin | k |
| 16:02.17 | kergoth | Error403: not off the top of my head, go with russ' suggestion and read the code |
| 16:02.26 | Error403 | k |
| 16:03.15 | Error403 | This embedded stuff gives me warm fuzzies for some reason |
| 16:03.32 | sorphin | hehe |
| 16:03.33 | kergoth | join the club |
| 16:03.34 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:03.40 | kergoth | brb, coffee |
| 16:03.57 | sorphin | kergoth: i thought caffeine gave you warm fuzzies, chris :P |
| 16:04.51 | chouimat | warm fuzzle? |
| 16:05.38 | sorphin | chouimat: warm fuzzy feeling |
| 16:05.49 | kergoth | sorphin: that too |
| 16:06.16 | Russ | the 4.3 mouse cursor gives me warm fuzzies |
| 16:07.02 | sorphin | Russ: eh? |
| 16:07.13 | Russ | whiteglass |
| 16:07.38 | Error403 | Russ: I like redglass myself :) |
| 16:07.46 | sorphin | umm |
| 16:07.49 | sorphin | oooooooook |
| 16:08.53 | sjhill | personally i like whitezinfandelglass, but that's just me |
| 16:09.08 | sorphin | heh |
| 16:09.10 | Error403 | Ok, well, there's only one instance of my error message in the core utils and the code around that error message clearly states that even if there is someother error that it prints all of the files it read, but I get NO entries from ls. |
| 16:09.13 | Error403 | this is really not good :/ |
| 16:09.30 | Russ | I would take a screenshot, but pointers don't show up in screenshots |
| 16:09.49 | Russ | so what causes the error though |
| 16:10.33 | Error403 | well, what causes the error message is ls' is unable to close the directory it just read |
| 16:11.04 | Russ | close returns -EINVAL? |
| 16:11.04 | Error403 | or that the dirp pointer (used throughout all of the code) some where becomes null |
| 16:11.08 | Error403 | no |
| 16:11.16 | Error403 | I don't believe |
| 16:11.25 | Error403 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:11.25 | Error403 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:11.25 | Error403 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:11.25 | Error403 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:11.25 | Error403 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:11.27 | Error403 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:11.34 | Russ | errno |
| 16:11.41 | Russ | CLOSEDIR is giving -EINVAL |
| 16:11.58 | Russ | probably |
| 16:12.05 | Russ | might check if dirp is null |
| 16:12.23 | Error403 | I'll do a gdb and check the pointers |
| 16:12.27 | chouimat | ok time to emerge gimp |
| 16:12.36 | Russ | chouimat: ew |
| 16:12.49 | sorphin | chouimat: you are a gimp :P |
| 16:13.00 | Russ | no, he's just OCD |
| 16:13.01 | chouimat | ~lart sorphin |
| 16:13.08 | chouimat | Russ: ? |
| 16:13.44 | sorphin | chouimat: my name isn't natalie portman, so hot grits don't affect me :P |
| 16:13.58 | Russ | I hear he compiles *everything* from source rather than using precompiled binaries |
| 16:14.15 | Error403 | Russ: People who are bored do that ;) |
| 16:14.24 | Error403 | Russ: People who do that are bored do that ;) |
| 16:14.32 | sorphin | Error403: s/bored/masochistic/ |
| 16:14.33 | Error403 | LOL |
| 16:14.38 | Error403 | I can't type today |
| 16:14.47 | Error403 | sorphin: either one ;) |
| 16:14.50 | chouimat | sorphin: nah! that just my BSD background |
| 16:15.15 | sorphin | chouimat: go worship celine ya freak :P |
| 16:15.34 | chouimat | sorphin: that joke is old |
| 16:15.42 | sorphin | chouimat: what joke? :P |
| 16:16.15 | chouimat | sorphin: the one about Celine Dion |
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| 16:16.27 | sorphin | chouimat: i wasn't joking, that's the point |
| 16:16.34 | sorphin | TimRiker: morning timmy |
| 16:18.17 | Error403 | argh, I can't use gdb because it can't find ls.c which in RIGHT THERE |
| 16:18.47 | sorphin | heh |
| 16:18.56 | Error403 | TimRiker: Hello mr tuxscreen. Have a question for you :) |
| 16:19.09 | sorphin | TimRiker: here's your daily prod for the DCT digging ;) |
| 16:19.32 | sorphin | ok, maybe not daily ;) |
| 16:19.35 | Error403 | TimRiker: I'm using a Tuxscreen (or at least trying to use it) and I have a uclibc development image for arm on an NFS mount. I've managed to successfully set it all up and pivot_root, but when I get a shell in the new root I always get "reading directory .: invalid argument". Ideas? |
| 16:19.59 | chouimat | sorphin: no news on that front? |
| 16:20.18 | sorphin | chouimat: that's why i was prodding tim, he's the one w/ the magic stuff :P |
| 16:20.28 | TimRiker | Error403: if you cd someplace does it go away? |
| 16:20.55 | Error403 | TimRiker: No |
| 16:23.26 | chouimat | sorphin: ok |
| 16:23.29 | TimRiker | Error403: wierd. I've run pivot_root uclibc images and not seen that. |
| 16:23.51 | TimRiker | try a different uclibc release and bug andersee if that fixes it. ;-) |
| 16:24.15 | Error403 | ugh, that's a LOT of work :/ |
| 16:24.46 | Error403 | TimRiker: Does it matter that the initial root of the tuxscreen was a different libc (the one from v0.6 tuxscreen release)? |
| 16:24.47 | TimRiker | you do have a buildroot script to rebuild it all, right? ;-) |
| 16:25.14 | Error403 | TimRiker: Hell no ;) I just used the arm image from the uclibc site |
| 16:25.51 | sorphin | Error403: proly why then :P |
| 16:26.45 | TimRiker | Error403: why not start with the TuxScreen buildroot then? |
| 16:27.18 | Error403 | TimRiker: I want my root to be on a NFS mount so I can fill 'er up |
| 16:28.44 | TimRiker | Just copy a tux buildroot over to nfs, and pivot_root there. |
| 16:28.55 | TimRiker | then add whatever you want. I've done that often. |
| 16:29.38 | Error403 | That's a good idea, I just wanted to avoid the whole compile EVERYTHING that comes along with buildroot. I'll bite the bullet |
| 16:30.19 | Error403 | I think KDE development made me bitter about compiling anything (since it takes so long to compile anything from KDE because of its enormous inheretence tree) |
| 16:35.52 | Error403 | Does buildroot have a menuconfig system of some sort? |
| 16:36.36 | kergoth | The OZ buildroot does, and has a tux kernel build, but its never been tested. the tuxscreen buildroot doesnt, but is tested :) |
| 16:36.43 | prpplague | Error403: the old buildroot doesn't |
| 16:36.52 | prpplague | Error403: but OE/OZ does |
| 16:37.06 | prpplague | kergoth: your too fast |
| 16:37.10 | Error403 | I'll pass on an untested kernel, thanks ;) |
| 16:37.17 | kergoth | party pooper |
| 16:37.31 | chouimat | nothing like that album when debugging |
| 16:40.52 | Error403 | Bah, tuxscreen doesn't have 2.4.20 yet ;) |
| 16:40.58 | Error403 | Not like it matters, I'm sure |
| 16:41.58 | Russ | does 2.4.20-rmk1 exist? |
| 16:44.07 | kergoth | heheh |
| 16:45.23 | Error403 | So do I have to specify my cross compiler before running make in buildroot? |
| 16:45.33 | Error403 | it's just arm-linux-g* and it's in my path |
| 16:48.06 | TimRiker | Error403: with the old build root just do a make to get the base stuff, then a "make tinyx" etc to get the add ons. |
| 16:48.29 | TimRiker | it will build a working 3.x cross compiler. |
| 16:49.22 | Error403 | I don't think 3.x is good idea for what I'm doing, so I specified true for gcc-2.95 in the makefile |
| 16:49.40 | Error403 | C++ is larger and slower on GCC 3.x |
| 16:49.53 | kergoth | and prelinkable |
| 16:49.55 | kergoth | ;) |
| 16:49.58 | Error403 | true |
| 16:50.22 | Error403 | but prelink is hacky and anoying when you have to run it (almost) everytime you install a new lib |
| 16:50.30 | kergoth | nature of the beast. |
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| 16:50.36 | Error403 | and you have to make sure everything you compile has -fPIC |
| 16:50.49 | kergoth | you should be doing that anyway |
| 16:50.49 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:51.01 | Error403 | So.. buildroot's milk is using my i386 gcc... what's wrong? |
| 16:51.15 | Error403 | LOL |
| 16:51.17 | Error403 | milk |
| 16:51.20 | Error403 | make, that is |
| 16:51.36 | Error403 | I heard milk on the radio, and I typed milk |
| 16:51.41 | sorphin | heh |
| 16:52.52 | Error403 | yes, I need caffiene, I'm out of soda |
| 16:52.55 | Error403 | I hate coffee |
| 16:53.14 | Error403 | ummmmmmm |
| 16:53.34 | Error403 | kergoth: ok... so why isn't buildroot using my cross compiler? |
| 16:53.59 | kergoth | hey dont ask me, i havent touched the tuxscreen buildroot in like a year |
| 16:54.47 | Error403 | TimRiker? :) |
| 16:55.30 | Error403 | I wish these buildroots used a damn autoconf/libtool configure so I can molest it easier |
| 16:55.59 | kergoth | blasphemy |
| 16:56.07 | Error403 | :) |
| 16:56.08 | kergoth | auto* and libtool are evil |
| 16:56.12 | kergoth | EVIL i say! |
| 16:56.19 | sieve | empire had the better ending |
| 16:56.22 | Error403 | yes, yes they are |
| 16:56.51 | Error403 | Tim, Tim, TIM!@#? hehe |
| 16:57.04 | kergoth | TimRiker: run1 |
| 16:57.06 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:57.22 | CosmicPenguin | Whew - that rotated touchscreen tossed me for a loop |
| 16:57.38 | CosmicPenguin | And now I probably broke the Ipaq calibration... :( |
| 16:57.49 | Error403 | TimRiker: yes, ph34r me ;) |
| 16:58.09 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: please tell me ipaq calibration isnt in kernel |
| 16:58.10 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:58.30 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: its supposed to be - but really, you can do user land calibration by just reading the raw, right... :) |
| 16:58.39 | CosmicPenguin | It only calibrates in kernel if you ask it to |
| 16:59.46 | Error403 | oh, duh |
| 16:59.52 | Error403 | I export CC and CXX |
| 16:59.54 | Error403 | I think |
| 17:00.30 | Error403 | no, that didn't do anything |
| 17:05.13 | Error403 | Hmm, I suppose binutils would probably need to be compiled for the system building it first |
| 17:05.52 | Error403 | brb |
| 17:22.43 | prpplague | sorphin: http://seeker.dice.com/seeker.epl?rel_code=1102&op=2 |
| 17:22.44 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: so, technically, you could switch between VTs on the Z, right? |
| 17:23.11 | sorphin | prpplague: k ? |
| 17:23.23 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: yup |
| 17:23.29 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: whats the key combination |
| 17:23.42 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: there isnt one bound to it in the default keymap |
| 17:23.47 | kergoth | either add one, or use chvt & friends |
| 17:23.50 | CosmicPenguin | k |
| 17:23.56 | kergoth | at least, in console and opie it isnt boudn to anything |
| 17:23.59 | kergoth | brb |
| 17:25.55 | prpplague | sorphin: POS job :) |
| 17:26.37 | sorphin | prpplague: not on this page there isn't ;) |
| 17:27.19 | sorphin | prpplague: heh, "NEW! Find hundreds of Security Clearance jobs on Dice now!" |
| 17:27.44 | prpplague | sorphin: doh, sorry |
| 17:27.57 | prpplague | sorphin: frellin frames |
| 17:28.01 | sorphin | prpplague: you sent me to the search page ;) |
| 17:28.16 | sorphin | damn POS lover ;) |
| 17:36.07 | sorphin | i dunno, depends on if you go in a restaurant tonight :P |
| 17:36.36 | kergoth | you're so helpful |
| 17:36.54 | chouimat | kergoth: yup .... |
| 17:37.01 | kergoth | heheh |
| 17:37.28 | CosmicPenguin | I normally hold it in until I get back from the restaurant... :) |
| 17:37.48 | prpplague | sjhill: ha, timesys has a few job openings :) |
| 17:37.50 | Russ | why do the ATA docs read like biblical scripture? |
| 17:38.07 | sorphin | Russ: if you actually have to ask.. |
| 17:38.14 | prpplague | Russ: "in the beginning...." |
| 17:38.17 | sorphin | prpplague: is one of them sjhill's? |
| 17:38.28 | chouimat | Russ: because it need an act of faith to get that workingg correctly |
| 17:38.33 | sorphin | prpplague: in the beginning, there was MFM |
| 17:38.36 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: and 'lo the bit went forth unto the bus |
| 17:38.43 | Russ | "If the device requires to extend the host transfer cycle time at PIO modes 3 and above, the device shall utilize IORDY. Hosts that use PIO modes 3 and above shall support IORDY" |
| 17:38.53 | prpplague | Russ: "mfm beget rll and rll beget ata...." |
| 17:39.17 | chouimat | and some turned to the scsi heresyy |
| 17:39.28 | prpplague | Russ: your right it does sound a little religious |
| 17:39.36 | Error403 | mmmmm, went to subway and I got a sub and 32oz of pure goodness (aka mountain dew) |
| 17:39.46 | sorphin | Error403: ok jared :P |
| 17:39.49 | Russ | I should go to cheba hut today |
| 17:40.03 | Error403 | jared? |
| 17:40.15 | Error403 | lol |
| 17:40.22 | Error403 | the stupid subway guy |
| 17:40.28 | sorphin | ~fishslap sjhill |
| 17:40.29 | | ACTION slaps sjhill up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 17:40.30 | Error403 | I think they fired him |
| 17:40.40 | chouimat | I will go to " Chez Ashton" to eat a nice poutine and roastbeef sandwich ... |
| 17:40.44 | sorphin | sjhill: i see you having fish 1st, mipswhore |
| 17:40.55 | sorphin | chou; frenchy |
| 17:41.15 | chouimat | sorphin: or I go eat a kebab ... still don't know |
| 17:41.25 | sorphin | that's not french :P |
| 17:41.41 | chouimat | sorphin: I knwo |
| 17:42.45 | Russ | he takes those pants freakin everywhere |
| 17:43.09 | chouimat | Russ: that don't work .... I took 35lbs after eating for 5 months at subways .... |
| 17:43.19 | sorphin | prpplague: heh, here's one for you: http://www.hotornot.com/r/?emid=SURUGM |
| 17:43.37 | sorphin | a hot female electrician ;) |
| 17:43.52 | Russ | chouimat: which subs did you eat |
| 17:44.15 | Russ | do you think she could dress chouimat? |
| 17:44.15 | prpplague | sorphin: cute |
| 17:44.18 | chouimat | Russ: steak & cheese |
| 17:44.21 | Russ | you should send and email and ask |
| 17:44.23 | sjhill | lol |
| 17:44.23 | Russ | chouimat: thats why |
| 17:44.28 | sorphin | prpplague: taller than me :P |
| 17:44.34 | Error403 | chouimat: Hey, I have that ;) |
| 17:44.45 | Russ | 50% of femails are taller than me, 50% shorter I think |
| 17:44.55 | Error403 | Russ: I lost weight eating that sub ;) |
| 17:44.55 | Russ | "good cook" |
| 17:44.58 | chouimat | Error403: :) |
| 17:45.04 | chouimat | sorphin: very very nice |
| 17:45.06 | Russ | nothing about fasion though |
| 17:45.33 | sorphin | Russ: i'm 5'11" tho |
| 17:45.49 | sorphin | so she has an inch on me |
| 17:47.36 | chouimat | sorphin: is that a problem? |
| 17:47.51 | sorphin | chouimat: i prefer shorter |
| 17:47.55 | prpplague | sorphin: and me as well |
| 17:48.02 | sorphin | my last ex was 5'10".. it was pushing it |
| 17:48.26 | sorphin | sarah's 5'7", so safe there |
| 17:48.45 | chouimat | sorphin: one of my friend is 6'3" (375lbs) and his new gf is 5'2" (275lbs) |
| 17:49.01 | sorphin | heh |
| 17:49.33 | kergoth | heh. i'm 5'8", 170 |
| 17:49.41 | Error403 | sorphin: How tall are you? Or do you just have a fetish for short women? |
| 17:49.51 | sorphin | kergoth: i used to be 165 :P |
| 17:49.58 | sorphin | Error403: i already said, i'm 5'11" |
| 17:49.58 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: the Z has been pixiled |
| 17:50.04 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: cool |
| 17:50.04 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: YAY |
| 17:50.09 | prpplague | sorphin: check out this one - http://candidate.brassring.com/EN/ASP/cim/cim_jobdetail.asp?jobId=409097&clientId=654&type=search&date=8-Apr-2003&dummyClient=0 |
| 17:50.10 | kergoth | sorphin: i been slackin.. havent worked out in months :\ |
| 17:50.24 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I still gotta do the power management and stuff though |
| 17:50.29 | prpplague | sorphin: check out the line about targeting linux customers |
| 17:50.54 | Error403 | sorphin: Do you have a control problem? ;) |
| 17:51.03 | sorphin | prpplague: Specific J2EE or Linux expertise. |
| 17:51.22 | sorphin | Error403: do you have a /kb problem? :P |
| 17:51.34 | sorphin | Error403: and that doesn't mean keyboard ;) |
| 17:51.36 | Russ | I prefer equal hieght, maybe a half inch sharter, because of the shoes |
| 17:51.46 | sjhill | sorphin: never ask a woman her weight.... |
| 17:51.53 | prpplague | sjhill: or iq |
| 17:51.58 | CosmicPenguin | When was it that soembody got the bright idea of calling salesmen evanglists? |
| 17:52.04 | sorphin | sjhill: i haven't :P i was just saying, she's never told me |
| 17:52.13 | Error403 | sorphin: No, but I'm just interested in mental disorders since I'm studying to be a psychiatrist |
| 17:52.17 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i dunno.. tivo used ot do that too |
| 17:52.25 | sorphin | Error403: go lay on a couch |
| 17:52.30 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: I was a a UG the other day, and they used the word there too |
| 17:52.35 | sjhill | prpplague: no, all you have to do is ask "What does IQ stand for?" if she pauses, you don't need to ask anything further |
| 17:52.58 | sjhill | oh great, we have a shrink on irc... |
| 17:53.07 | Error403 | sorphin: No thanks, I'm not a neo Freudian |
| 17:53.12 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i've heard "linux evangelist".. makes me shiver in fear |
| 17:53.13 | chouimat | sjhill: hehe |
| 17:53.16 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: speaking of which |
| 17:53.23 | sorphin | bout 1.5 miles from my house |
| 17:53.27 | sorphin | guess what's there |
| 17:53.37 | sorphin | "Gateway College of Evangelism" |
| 17:53.40 | sorphin | what a joke |
| 17:54.06 | sorphin | Error403: "how do you feel, about your mother?" :P |
| 17:54.20 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: careful - Error403 is really an elizabot |
| 17:54.20 | sjhill | lol |
| 17:54.34 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: a poorly written one at that |
| 17:54.41 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: prolly Java |
| 17:54.46 | sorphin | prolly |
| 17:54.52 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: greg gave the OK yet? |
| 17:54.54 | Error403 | sorphin: That's a congnitive question ;) |
| 17:54.59 | Error403 | lol |
| 17:55.04 | Error403 | elizabot, riiight |
| 17:55.10 | sorphin | ~cluebat Error403 |
| 17:55.15 | | ACTION pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps Error403. |
| 17:55.16 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: for binaries, or for source? |
| 17:55.22 | chouimat | ibot emulate kergoth |
| 17:55.23 | | ACTION mutters about buildsystems and tells people to RTFM. |
| 17:55.27 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: either or both |
| 17:55.36 | sorphin | ibot: emulate chouimat |
| 17:55.37 | | ulyx lart georges |
| 17:55.45 | Error403 | ~elizabot |
| 17:56.08 | sorphin | ~bitchslap error403 |
| 17:56.09 | | ACTION beats the sh*t out of error403 |
| 17:56.23 | Error403 | heh |
| 17:56.30 | sorphin | analyze that :P |
| 17:56.43 | CosmicPenguin | lol |
| 17:56.55 | sorphin | hmm |
| 17:57.05 | sorphin | ~emulate cosmicpenguin |
| 17:57.08 | Error403 | repressed anger ;) |
| 17:57.24 | sorphin | Error403: oh, i don't repress, trust me ;) |
| 17:57.56 | Error403 | Right, you used to (you used to stuff it), now it comes out full force :) |
| 17:58.15 | Error403 | ok, I'll stop |
| 17:58.16 | sorphin | *buzz* |
| 17:58.18 | Error403 | ehem |
| 17:58.21 | sorphin | try again |
| 17:58.28 | sjhill | ibot emulate sjhill |
| 17:58.29 | | sjhill: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 17:58.40 | Error403 | gcc 3.2 is f'ing huge |
| 17:58.47 | Error403 | sorphin: Sexual abuse? ;) |
| 17:58.48 | sjhill | and slow |
| 17:58.55 | sorphin | ibot: emulate sjhill is mips mips mips everywhere! |
| 17:58.56 | | okay, sorphin |
| 17:59.03 | sjhill | ibot emulate sjhill |
| 17:59.04 | | it has been said that emulate sjhill is mips mips mips everywhere! |
| 17:59.09 | kergoth | hmm |
| 17:59.11 | kergoth | ibot: emulate kergoth |
| 17:59.12 | | ACTION mutters about buildsystems and tells people to RTFM. |
| 17:59.35 | sorphin | Error403: how'd you like to be removed from the channel? ;) |
| 18:00.32 | Error403 | sorphin: Pfft, just making conversation while my builtroot downloads this enormous gcc |
| 18:00.50 | sorphin | Error403: well, i don't like your last inference :P |
| 18:01.18 | Error403 | sorphin: 'twas a joke |
| 18:01.24 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: I assume that all the keys are delivered in the normal manner through tty, right? |
| 18:01.32 | sorphin | Error403: try childhood trauma coupled with much childhood teasing |
| 18:01.36 | sorphin | :P |
| 18:01.39 | sjhill | huh? |
| 18:01.40 | CosmicPenguin | The 'HOME' key doesn't have a secret device or anything scary? |
| 18:01.43 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: keys through tty? |
| 18:01.49 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: buttons |
| 18:01.53 | sjhill | oh |
| 18:01.53 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: nope, they're normal keycodes |
| 18:01.56 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: my brain is broken |
| 18:01.59 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: sweet |
| 18:02.05 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: note that fn+key keymappings are in kernel, cant be remapped via normal means |
| 18:02.10 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin:obviously, since i said 'either or both' ;) |
| 18:02.21 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: need to use the sharp_kbdctl device to check the status of such 'special' modifiers |
| 18:02.23 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: thats fine - I just want the scan codes, I'll remap them in MW anyway |
| 18:02.27 | sjhill | yes, today feels like a good day to go postal |
| 18:02.28 | kergoth | thanks sharp/lineo for extra propriatary bullshit |
| 18:02.34 | Error403 | sorphin: Well, I'm not downplaying your past, like I said, stupid conversation. Lets just drop it. |
| 18:02.38 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: what do you mean by secial modifiers? |
| 18:02.52 | kergoth | fn |
| 18:02.54 | kergoth | is a modifier |
| 18:03.01 | CosmicPenguin | ah - I see |
| 18:03.01 | Error403 | kergoth: Speaking of which, any news on when you can release OZ with the SD driver? |
| 18:03.02 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: freudian slip? |
| 18:03.04 | kergoth | nonstandard, not handled in keyboard.c like ctrl, alt, shift, altgr |
| 18:03.13 | kergoth | Error403: no news. |
| 18:03.31 | CosmicPenguin | Ok - I guess thats alright - normally you would only care about the key and not if FN was pressed or not |
| 18:03.35 | sorphin | Error403: he has to finish cleaning it up 1st ;) |
| 18:03.41 | Error403 | kergoth: So much for sharp's "openness", if they ever had it. |
| 18:03.52 | sorphin | sharp? open? |
| 18:03.54 | sorphin | riight |
| 18:03.55 | Error403 | sorphin: Oh, I thought kergoth just got the binary |
| 18:04.00 | kergoth | Error403: i did |
| 18:04.01 | Error403 | sorphin: They pretend |
| 18:04.02 | sorphin | that's like saying Broadcom is Open |
| 18:04.13 | sorphin | sjhill: ;) |
| 18:04.14 | kergoth | Error403: but hte rest of the 2.4.19 tree needs a few finishing touches |
| 18:04.58 | Error403 | sorphin: I used to be a Qt/E developer for a while and they invited me to the symposium they had a year and a half ago... it was sick how much BS they were feeding us. |
| 18:05.06 | Error403 | they being Sharp |
| 18:05.08 | sjhill | heh |
| 18:05.16 | sorphin | Error403: sounds about right |
| 18:05.29 | sorphin | Error403: the only thing sharp about sharp |
| 18:05.35 | sorphin | is the knife they stick in your back ;) |
| 18:06.05 | Error403 | The only thing I found enjoyable was the one block I was chain to from the Hyatt |
| 18:06.19 | Error403 | s/chain/chained |
| 18:06.42 | sorphin | nod |
| 18:07.18 | Error403 | Oh, and the fact that Trolltech put a screenshot of my checking application (the chart specifically) into their presentation slides |
| 18:07.30 | Error403 | I still enphasize that TT rocks |
| 18:07.44 | sorphin | hmm |
| 18:07.49 | sorphin | ~emulate sjhill |
| 18:07.50 | | mips mips, I love mips, give me mips! |
| 18:07.52 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: just let it go, man |
| 18:08.12 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: eh? |
| 18:08.19 | Error403 | T - 5 minutes |
| 18:08.25 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i'm still waiting for an answer :P |
| 18:08.33 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: I thought you were going to say something about Error403's comment about TT |
| 18:08.41 | CosmicPenguin | bah |
| 18:08.56 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: so am I, so am I |
| 18:09.01 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: ah |
| 18:09.16 | Error403 | CosmicPenguin: Are you bitter about the Qtopia project? |
| 18:09.17 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: and i wans't gonna say anything about TT |
| 18:09.53 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: some things are better left unsaid ;) |
| 18:09.58 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: amen |
| 18:10.32 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: so when the hell's your bachelor party? |
| 18:10.36 | Error403 | I wanna know what you think of them :) |
| 18:10.49 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: coming up here shortly - probably on the 17th |
| 18:10.53 | sorphin | Error403: "I exercise my 5th amendment right" |
| 18:10.57 | kergoth | TT's library work is great |
| 18:11.02 | kergoth | TT's apps all suck horribly |
| 18:11.15 | kergoth | course, qtopia is an exception, its libqpe library sucks too |
| 18:11.32 | kergoth | ~kill sorphin |
| 18:11.33 | | ACTION slits sorphin's throat |
| 18:11.38 | sorphin | kergoth: some things are better left alone chris ;) |
| 18:11.41 | kergoth | ~botsnack |
| 18:11.41 | | kergoth: thanks |
| 18:11.45 | Error403 | kergoth: Yeah, Sharp forced Trolltech to come up with something way too quickly |
| 18:11.47 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: everyone wants to escape to Vegas - but the last time that happened, we spent 6 grand |
| 18:11.56 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: ouch |
| 18:12.06 | CosmicPenguin | Error403: hardly, Qtopia had been in the works long before Sharp came along |
| 18:12.31 | Error403 | CosmicPenguin: I know, but Sharp put way too much pressure on them when they negotiated |
| 18:12.33 | kergoth | heh, ipaq users were even running it |
| 18:12.42 | kergoth | libqpe sucked then |
| 18:12.44 | kergoth | it sucks more now |
| 18:12.55 | sorphin | kergoth: it sucks like a $2 hooker? |
| 18:13.08 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: and not as satisfying |
| 18:13.23 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i won't even ask how you know that, jc ;) |
| 18:13.33 | kergoth | also, the qt/e device specific stuff is hackish at best |
| 18:13.33 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: I'm guessing of course |
| 18:13.40 | kergoth | keyboard handling, ts handling, et cetera |
| 18:13.48 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: uh huh... so that's what you did in vegas huh? :P |
| 18:14.03 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: nah - not us |
| 18:14.30 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: we were more of the liquor and stripper types |
| 18:14.59 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: well, i've heard some strippers.... |
| 18:16.00 | prpplague | kergoth: so.....what is the latest on sharp's z linux ppl? |
| 18:16.12 | kergoth | prpplague: what z linux ppl? |
| 18:16.14 | kergoth | prpplague: heheh |
| 18:16.16 | prpplague | kergoth: they give the axe to the ppl left? |
| 18:16.22 | kergoth | the only people at sharp us, afaik, is spencer |
| 18:16.29 | kergoth | in this pda shit anyway |
| 18:16.41 | prpplague | kergoth: fun |
| 18:16.50 | CosmicPenguin | Is Motorola still supporting Embeddix? |
| 18:17.03 | prpplague | kergoth: kinda sounds like sharp isn't too happy with sales |
| 18:17.52 | kergoth | prpplague: sounds like sharp realized they dropped the ball on this |
| 18:18.02 | Error403 | kergoth: What about the International Sharp embedded locations? |
| 18:18.15 | Error403 | kergoth: They were always larger than the US operation |
| 18:18.19 | kergoth | Error403: dont know anything about sharp germany or others |
| 18:18.26 | kergoth | Error403: sharp japan appears intact, i work with them fairly often |
| 18:19.01 | Error403 | Couldn't remember if it was Japan or not.. hmm |
| 18:19.23 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: home key is mapped as sysreq, right? It won't generate a scancode? |
| 18:19.50 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: its interpreted as sysrq, but stillg enerates a scancode, and therefore a keycode |
| 18:19.59 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: does MW open the keyboard in mediumraw or raw mode? |
| 18:20.19 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: medium raw |
| 18:20.45 | kergoth | then you're looking at keycodes, not scancodes |
| 18:20.55 | kergoth | just unmapped |
| 18:20.57 | kergoth | iirc |
| 18:21.00 | kergoth | i need more caffeine |
| 18:21.30 | kergoth | hmm, /me heads to grab a sandwich and a cafe mocha at a nearby coffee shop |
| 18:21.34 | Error403 | the Zaurus' IR port isn't capable of more than like 5 feet, right? |
| 18:21.43 | Error403 | I wish it was crazy powerful, use it as a remote |
| 18:23.32 | prpplague | kergoth`lunch: dropped the ball as in not getting more linux community support? |
| 18:24.10 | sorphin | prpplague: among other things |
| 18:24.15 | Error403 | prpplague: I'm not sure how he feels about that, but that's what I think happened |
| 18:24.19 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i prefer medium well ;) |
| 18:24.40 | sorphin | or well done depending on the cook |
| 18:24.49 | Error403 | prpplague: They pretended to be open about everything, but when you wanted something they valued greatly, they wouldn't even talk about it |
| 18:24.49 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: you're a barrel of laughs |
| 18:24.56 | prpplague | sorphin / Error403 : agreed |
| 18:25.24 | prpplague | i think Russ always calls it the asian black hole: source goes in but never comes out |
| 18:25.34 | sorphin | prpplague: cute |
| 18:25.46 | Error403 | heh |
| 18:26.23 | prpplague | i've had hell with the koreans |
| 18:26.23 | sorphin | prpplague: source goes in the water, sharp in the water.... |
| 18:26.32 | prpplague | gmate was aweful about code |
| 18:27.12 | prpplague | gmate had a great handheld with the ydk-1000, but their linux community support just plain sucked |
| 18:28.04 | prpplague | anyone ever get the count on the number of z's hsn sold last month? |
| 18:28.12 | sorphin | no |
| 18:28.38 | Error403 | prpplague: From what I heard the Z was 6th runner in PDA sales |
| 18:28.47 | chouimat|nap | gmate? |
| 18:28.55 | prpplague | chouimat|nap: the yopy pda |
| 18:29.00 | sorphin | prpplague: ya know |
| 18:29.01 | chouimat|nap | ok ... |
| 18:29.08 | sorphin | prpplague: i looked at theirs |
| 18:29.11 | prpplague | Error403: on hsn? or in general? |
| 18:29.15 | sorphin | prpplague: the pricetag turned me off |
| 18:29.17 | chouimat|nap | ok back to my book |
| 18:29.19 | Error403 | prpplague: general |
| 18:29.23 | prpplague | sorphin: ya it was pricy |
| 18:29.41 | CosmicPenguin | We all know Palm is #1 |
| 18:29.44 | sorphin | prpplague: speaking of prices+embedded |
| 18:29.50 | prpplague | sorphin: ? |
| 18:29.51 | sorphin | prpplague: where's that hackkit? :P |
| 18:29.53 | CosmicPenguin | Does Handspring count as #2? |
| 18:30.03 | prpplague | sorphin: dead and burried :( |
| 18:30.08 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i'd take a handspring over Palm |
| 18:30.12 | sorphin | prpplague: DOh.. |
| 18:30.12 | chouimat|reading | prpplague: that sux |
| 18:30.17 | sorphin | prpplague: seriously? |
| 18:30.17 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: I dunno - my mom's handspring sucks |
| 18:30.30 | Error403 | IMO PalmOS sucks in the non-technical way |
| 18:30.40 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: maybe she's too old to be doing handsprings? |
| 18:30.42 | prpplague | sorphin: the medical bills, divorce, and my job in question, i've decided to hold off |
| 18:30.47 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: they are tricky to do |
| 18:30.57 | CosmicPenguin | Error403: PalmOS is a hundred times more popular than QT/E - there has to be a reason why |
| 18:31.02 | sorphin | prpplague: good things never get a chance |
| 18:31.09 | prpplague | sorphin: yep |
| 18:31.17 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: true that - of course, my palm has always been my best friend, so what do I know? |
| 18:31.25 | Error403 | CosmicPenguin: Well, a lot of PDAs use it |
| 18:31.33 | prpplague | sorphin: i can't seem to convince anyone that it'd be a big seller |
| 18:31.41 | Error403 | CosmicPenguin: And PalmOS' developer relations is good |
| 18:31.53 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: um... not going there |
| 18:32.01 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: I'm glad you got the joke... :) |
| 18:32.06 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: I was worried for a second |
| 18:32.16 | prpplague | sorphin: on the other hand, seems ppl have no problems convincing upper management that "digital picture frames" will be a big seller :( |
| 18:32.22 | Error403 | CosmicPenguin: I think that the Zaurus would have been more successful if Sharp made sure not to advertise it as the "linux PDA" |
| 18:32.27 | sorphin | prpplague: which reminds me |
| 18:32.39 | sorphin | haven't done anything w/ it yet |
| 18:32.45 | sorphin | other than opened it up |
| 18:32.51 | CosmicPenguin | Error403: the problem that we all have when developing PDA software is that we don't like of it like an handheld |
| 18:32.53 | prpplague | sorphin: rumor has it that someone has linix booting |
| 18:33.14 | CosmicPenguin | Palm is the only company that doesn't develop its code like a HH is a tiny desktop - and thats why they are successful |
| 18:33.18 | Error403 | CosmicPenguin: Every store selling it knew it was the "Linux PDA" and the Windows-loving sales men would just say "Oh, that the *Linux* PDA, you don't want that. Take a look at this pretty PocketPC or Palm." |
| 18:33.37 | prpplague | Error403: yep |
| 18:33.46 | prpplague | Error403: i had that happen to me at worstbuy |
| 18:33.49 | CosmicPenguin | No - I doubt it - nobody cares what the OS is |
| 18:34.03 | Error403 | prpplague: Yup, I had many friends report that to me |
| 18:34.12 | CosmicPenguin | Really - its about the presentation - PocketPC and QT make like you have a cute little 240x320 desktop, and thats not hte way it work |
| 18:34.20 | CosmicPenguin | Palm uses 16 colors and simple widgets, and they rule |
| 18:34.50 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: we've always had the same mind on the pda environment, but it seems we are a minority |
| 18:34.59 | Error403 | CosmicPenguin: The person buying doesn't, but the sales person creates bias by rejecting the Z as a candidate. Anyone that needs a sales person to help them buy a PDA is going to take the advice of the sales person |
| 18:35.24 | CosmicPenguin | Error403: accept it - the Z environment isn't what the consumer wants |
| 18:35.46 | prpplague | sorphin: tomw was interested in using the hackkit core for a project so, there might be hope down the road |
| 18:35.48 | Error403 | Really? I think it was a very nice environment. My friends loved it |
| 18:35.59 | Error403 | Hell, my mom loved it |
| 18:36.04 | sorphin | prpplague: i'd still wnt one of those kodak frames |
| 18:36.06 | Error403 | she asked me if I could buy her one |
| 18:36.12 | Error403 | I just laughed ;) |
| 18:36.19 | prpplague | Error403: ek! are you serious? |
| 18:36.35 | prpplague | Error403: i found the opie/qt environment totally un-usable |
| 18:37.01 | prpplague | Error403: i went back to my x/gpe/fltk hybrid |
| 18:37.12 | sorphin | prpplague: least the kodak one could load pics w/o having to dial the hell in :P |
| 18:37.23 | prpplague | sorphin: yeo |
| 18:37.36 | Error403 | prpplague: Anyone using such a hybrid is a computer hacker (in the code/compile sense) |
| 18:38.02 | sorphin | Error403: umm |
| 18:38.06 | Error403 | prpplague: Of course many developers (expecially the ones not particually interested in Qt) are going to dislike it |
| 18:38.07 | MornWork | I'm trying to decide between gpe and opie right now |
| 18:38.22 | sorphin | that's the only way i acknowledge hacker.. unlegit people are crackers, not hackers :P |
| 18:38.27 | Error403 | MonMotha: If you're going to go that route, definately Opie |
| 18:38.31 | CosmicPenguin | And I'm working hard to give Morn a third option |
| 18:38.36 | MornWork | until mister pixil gives us something to work with |
| 18:38.39 | CosmicPenguin | There you go |
| 18:38.45 | sorphin | hehe |
| 18:38.48 | CosmicPenguin | MornWork: did you see - I got it up on the Z... :) |
| 18:38.50 | Error403 | MonMotha: The applications and environment are slick |
| 18:38.54 | sorphin | Error403: umm |
| 18:38.56 | MornWork | CosmicPenguin: Awesome |
| 18:39.05 | MornWork | CosmicPenguin: but when do I get to see it!?!?! |
| 18:39.08 | sorphin | Error403: try typing mor instand or mon :P |
| 18:39.16 | Error403 | sorphin: Am I making you sick to the stomach? :) |
| 18:39.21 | sorphin | Error403: you're matching to monmotha :P |
| 18:39.21 | CosmicPenguin | MornWork: I'm trying to convince Greg to let me do a binary release |
| 18:39.27 | Error403 | ah, I am |
| 18:39.29 | MornWork | CosmicPenguin: is it worth me downloading the PDA 1.1 version from the website for my 3536? |
| 18:39.45 | MornWork | CosmicPenguin: I had the 1.0 version on that machine once before |
| 18:39.59 | CosmicPenguin | MornWork: I dunno... its pretty much the same. |
| 18:40.21 | MornWork | CosmicPenguin: how hard will it be to integrate my CF card, I remember fore it wasn't very easy |
| 18:40.27 | prpplague | Error403: agreed, however their are/were alternatives like pixil and picogui that are far supieror for pda environments |
| 18:40.36 | CosmicPenguin | MornWork: that will be much easier now |
| 18:40.41 | MornWork | s/fore/before/g |
| 18:41.06 | MornWork | I tried doing a pivot_root with opie last night |
| 18:41.19 | MornWork | for some reason when it gets to running /sbin/init it hangs |
| 18:41.58 | MornWork | CosmicPenguin: if you can get something out soon I may use pixil for my DVD Changer project |
| 18:42.12 | MornWork | if not I may go with gpe |
| 18:42.19 | Error403 | MornWork: I had that problem, I added /bin/tinylogin after the execution of /sbin/init and it worked |
| 18:42.45 | CosmicPenguin | MornWork: If it was up to me, It would have been released months ago |
| 18:42.56 | MornWork | Error403: if your around after I get home I'll ask for your help |
| 18:43.01 | MornWork | CosmicPenguin: I know, I know |
| 18:43.21 | MornWork | CosmicPenguin: does pixil have hooks into the IR? |
| 18:43.43 | CosmicPenguin | MornWork: no - but thats not too tough to add |
| 18:43.50 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: w/ less bloat ;) |
| 18:43.55 | Error403 | MornWork: Beaware that I'm still new to all of this stuff, but I've definately picked up on a lot of Q&A in the last week |
| 18:44.00 | CosmicPenguin | MornWork: you can read and write the device files without the intervention of the OE |
| 18:44.42 | MornWork | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:44.57 | prpplague | speaking of dvd project, has anyone started looking at some of these really cheap dvd players to see what kind of processor they are based on? |
| 18:44.58 | CosmicPenguin | Oh - so more of a LIRC client? |
| 18:45.19 | MornWork | CosmicPenguin: I haven't looked into the down and dirty yet about it |
| 18:45.29 | MornWork | I wanted to settle on a API for the GUI first |
| 18:45.56 | CosmicPenguin | MornWork: the LIRC should be easy. How are you doing the UI? Is it scriptable? |
| 18:46.25 | MornWork | I was thinking of using sqllite |
| 18:46.32 | sorphin | prpplague: mostly a dvd decoder chip that handles some brainy stuff, and a dvdrom drive |
| 18:46.32 | sorphin | prpplague: that's all |
| 18:47.09 | CosmicPenguin | MornWork: sqlite for what? What sort of data are you storing? |
| 18:47.24 | MornWork | CosmicPenguin: it's a small database of all the movies in the Changer |
| 18:47.29 | MornWork | in my case about 180 movies |
| 18:47.52 | sorphin | Morn: heh, gotta get 20 more ;) |
| 18:48.01 | MornWork | I wanted to store stuff like actors, summary, director, etc, and maybe even images of the covers |
| 18:48.22 | CosmicPenguin | But the UI would be basically static? |
| 18:48.25 | MornWork | so that the GUI would let you search for movies |
| 18:48.31 | prpplague | sorphin: hmm, even for the ones that do stuff from standard cd's ? |
| 18:48.43 | MornWork | oh, yeah the UI itself is static |
| 18:49.02 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmm, survey app? lol |
| 18:49.11 | MornWork | CosmicPenguin: but again, I needed to decide on the GUI API before doing the UI |
| 18:49.27 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I'm telling you - thats a valuable project |
| 18:49.27 | sorphin | prpplague: look at the internals of an apex |
| 18:49.31 | sorphin | very very simple |
| 18:49.47 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: and I haven't heard from Scott in a week or so, so I guess you're the new owner? :) |
| 18:50.08 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'll try to message him and find out |
| 18:50.30 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I had to do century stuff the rest of this week, but on Monday I'll start again with the HTML spec |
| 18:50.40 | CosmicPenguin | for the form description language |
| 18:51.18 | MornWork | CosmicPenguin: but I've never used the API for pixil, so I may end up bugging you :-) |
| 18:51.37 | CosmicPenguin | MornWork: fine - you can help me make it less annoying |
| 18:52.27 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: ;) |
| 18:52.27 | MornWork | CosmicPenguin: after I installed the 1.0 version and a barrage of emails to centurysoft they did some of my suggestions |
| 18:52.48 | MornWork | I guess my emails got forward to some of the top people |
| 18:52.48 | MornWork | I was afraid they had my picture up with my email, saying don't talk to this woman! |
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| 18:53.02 | prpplague | MornWork: ha |
| 18:53.24 | MornWork | I seem to recall a few phone calls as well |
| 18:53.38 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: seeing how i'm the current owner of the code, you need to send morn a copy and see what she thinks |
| 18:53.53 | sorphin | ibot: emulate file |
| 18:53.54 | | sorphin: i don't know |
| 18:54.03 | sorphin | sounds about right ;p |
| 18:54.16 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: good idea |
| 18:54.23 | sorphin | prpplague: umm |
| 18:54.45 | sorphin | prpplague: you're the current owner of what? |
| 18:55.10 | prpplague | sorphin: i project i paid CosmicPenguin for |
| 18:55.28 | sorphin | nod |
| 18:56.16 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: hopefully, you retain the rights for it too, I have big plans for it |
| 18:59.33 | Russ | Error403: CIR signals travels further than FIR |
| 19:03.20 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: talking to scott now |
| 19:04.59 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: let me know - I gotta go walk to the auto repair place |
| 19:05.47 | Error403 | Russ: I didn't know CIR could transmit from the Tuxscreen |
| 19:06.18 | Error403 | Not that you implied it could |
| 19:06.52 | sorphin | Russ: so SIR->FIR->CIR in progression of strength? |
| 19:07.41 | Error403 | I know that the tuxscreen can receive the keyboard commands from crazy distances, but can it transmit? |
| 19:09.22 | sorphin | Error403: it doesn't have a transmitter |
| 19:09.31 | sorphin | only a receiver |
| 19:09.35 | sorphin | that i'm aware of |
| 19:09.42 | Russ | well, CIR is just lower bandwidth |
| 19:09.51 | Russ | Error403: the tuxscreen only receives CIR signals |
| 19:11.10 | Error403 | right, that's what I thought |
| 19:14.42 | Error403 | ok, so why is mtd failing to compile |
| 19:14.54 | Error403 | where is 'time' defined |
| 19:15.05 | Russ | wtd what? |
| 19:15.07 | Russ | er |
| 19:15.08 | Error403 | not in all the time.h's I have in the build-root |
| 19:15.09 | Russ | mtd what? |
| 19:15.20 | Error403 | mtd package that creates mk.jffs2 |
| 19:15.27 | Error403 | mkfs.jffs2 rather |
| 19:15.31 | Russ | <time.h> |
| 19:15.42 | Error403 | well, the include says <sys/time.h> |
| 19:15.49 | Russ | add <time.h> |
| 19:15.59 | Error403 | ok, that makes sense |
| 19:16.12 | Error403 | Just didn't seem like it was right |
| 19:20.29 | Error403 | now it can't find crt1.o, grrr |
| 19:20.38 | Error403 | is it just me or is there something broken with buildroot? |
| 19:20.45 | Error403 | like, a few things |
| 19:20.47 | Russ | just changes with cvs |
| 19:20.58 | Error403 | Well, actually, it's probably my compiler setup |
| 19:21.09 | Error403 | It's the lineo toolkit |
| 19:21.13 | Russ | crt1.o is part of your library |
| 19:21.20 | Russ | er, compiler |
| 19:21.36 | Russ | get abetter prebuilt toolchain? |
| 19:22.11 | sorphin | Error403: like the one from uclibc ;) |
| 19:22.13 | sorphin | *g* |
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| 19:23.42 | Russ | j) there is no step (j) |
| 19:23.47 | Error403 | Russ: That's my thought. It's there, but the compiler doesn't know where it is, and other than passing a -L/location ld flag (which is a hack) I don't know what to do |
| 19:23.49 | Russ | oj, I added that last one |
| 19:23.53 | Russ | s/oj/ok/ |
| 19:24.17 | Russ | get a better toolchain? |
| 19:26.43 | kergoth | Error403: the lineo toolchain is crap |
| 19:26.50 | kergoth | Error403: get erikm's 2.95.3 toolchain from ftp.arm.linux.org.uk |
| 19:28.22 | Error403 | rgr |
| 19:29.19 | Error403 | holy shiat |
| 19:29.20 | sorphin | heh |
| 19:29.22 | Error403 | 80meg |
| 19:29.32 | sorphin | and here's my "stupid quote for hte day" |
| 19:29.33 | Error403 | jesus |
| 19:29.49 | sorphin | brought ot you by Steve Ballmer: our customers have seen a lot more innovation from us than they have seen from that [open-source] community' |
| 19:30.11 | sorphin | so M$ calls what htey do innovation now? |
| 19:32.27 | Error403 | an hour and fifty minutes, well, there goes my daytime development |
| 19:32.56 | Error403 | Russ: What happened with step f.) ? :) |
| 19:33.14 | Error403 | and h.) and i.) ? ;) |
| 19:33.29 | Error403 | and g.) |
| 19:36.33 | Error403 | sorphin: they're a company, they stand something to lose if they were to say anything else or even nothing at all, the OS community doesn't stand something to lose. |
| 19:36.41 | Error403 | But that's just redundant |
| 19:37.11 | sorphin | I just love how useless CEOs really are |
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| 20:19.55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hey hey, server problem in jamaica!! |
| 20:20.07 | kergoth | bastard |
| 20:20.08 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: either sieve or i will be headed down |
| 20:26.54 | prpplague | kergoth: glad i found time to dump opie off my z :) |
| 20:29.32 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: sweet |
| 20:30.18 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: we'll see, should know something in about 30 minutes |
| 20:30.25 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: sounds like a good time to me - |
| 20:30.49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: looks likes its probably a simple net connection issue |
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| 20:36.07 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: scott called but didn't leave message - any idea what he wanted? |
| 20:38.22 | Russ | prpplague: too bad I'm not done with my sub $300 surver monitoring card |
| 20:38.43 | Russ | s/surver=/server/ |
| 20:39.59 | prpplague | Russ: i'm on the phone now where i could use that |
| 20:40.52 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: probably because i told him that i wanted make sure that gets an agreement with you |
| 20:41.09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: and that he is 100% committed in paying you |
| 20:41.11 | chouimat | back |
| 20:41.17 | prpplague | front |
| 20:41.59 | chouimat | what a boring day |
| 20:42.30 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I just want the rights to the source code - he can keep his money |
| 20:45.15 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: telll him that |
| 20:47.11 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: doh, jamaica postponed for a week |
| 20:47.26 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: time to get your tan ready... :) |
| 20:51.05 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: probably head to seattle before then |
| 20:51.20 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: much less sun |
| 20:54.18 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: the console doesn't always seem to recover after an apm -s |
| 20:54.27 | CosmicPenguin | is that associated with the same problem you were talking about before? |
| 20:54.30 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: does here. every single time |
| 20:54.43 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: does it recover after suspending with killall -USR1 apmd? |
| 20:55.02 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: my terminal disappared |
| 20:55.08 | CosmicPenguin | my ssh terminal, I mean |
| 20:55.08 | kergoth | ? |
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| 21:41.32 | chouimat|away | bbl |
| 21:58.47 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: yeah, just sitting there in graphic mode, the console still seems to blank |
| 21:58.54 | CosmicPenguin | And it won't resume with Cancel either |
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| 22:02.57 | CosmicPenguin | grrr... this PM is aggrivating |
| 22:03.05 | chouimat|away | cosmic_weekend: ? |
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