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| 00:22.34 | sorphin | TimRiker: evenin |
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| 01:15.10 | sorphin | heh, today must be joke day |
| 01:15.12 | sorphin | now on /. |
| 01:15.18 | sorphin | Novell to Make Linux Robust and Reliable |
| 01:15.22 | sorphin | 1st sco today |
| 01:15.24 | sorphin | now novell |
| 01:22.30 | sorphin | and of course |
| 01:22.32 | sorphin | these losers |
| 01:22.36 | sorphin | http://www.ibphoenix.com/main.nfs?a=ibphoenix&page=ibp_Mozilla0 |
| 01:22.39 | sorphin | telling people to flame, etc the mozilla people for the firebird name now |
| 01:26.37 | CosmicPenguin | Don't laugh about novell - they're the only linux people hiring in all of Utah |
| 01:26.55 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: applied there? :P |
| 01:29.58 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: nah - not yet |
| 01:31.26 | sorphin | nod |
| 01:54.14 | CosmicPenguin | Sigh - why is prpplague always gone when I need him? |
| 01:54.52 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: he's still not back back yet.. prolly busy catching up |
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| 03:16.24 | sorphin | GPSFan_: the working/focal distance on the micro is 3.5", the reducer will put it at 7" |
| 03:23.07 | GPSFan_ | sorphin: correct. |
| 03:26.08 | CosmicPenguin | g111 |
| 03:26.10 | CosmicPenguin | oops |
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| 10:42.21 | mallum | scanline: ping |
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| 12:51.36 | sorphin | GPSFan: morning |
| 12:58.34 | GPSFan | hi dan, g'day |
| 13:05.09 | sorphin | hows things? |
| 13:09.07 | GPSFan | sorphin: ok, trying to figure how to fir 40 hours worth of work into 24 hours.. ;>) |
| 13:09.31 | GPSFan | s/fir/fit |
| 13:09.59 | sorphin | GPSFan: ask CP, he does it :P |
| 13:11.56 | GPSFan | ;) |
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| 14:19.36 | CosmicPenguin | morningt |
| 14:22.46 | signal11 | whats up |
| 14:23.00 | signal11 | i got the epia to boot. beware of cheap memory |
| 14:23.14 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: using the via drivers I assume? |
| 14:23.17 | signal11 | the first stick i bought didn't work, i needed a "name brand" |
| 14:23.25 | CosmicPenguin | anything missing? Net, video everything working? |
| 14:23.29 | signal11 | CosmicPenguin: well i'm just getting started |
| 14:23.32 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: heh, we were jsut talking about you ;) |
| 14:23.32 | signal11 | net is working |
| 14:23.47 | sorphin | prpplague: morning slacker |
| 14:24.04 | prpplague | sorphin: morning |
| 14:24.33 | signal11 | I'll try X later today |
| 14:24.38 | signal11 | and sound |
| 14:24.43 | signal11 | it detects the sound chip at least |
| 14:24.56 | sorphin | prpplague: heh, from joebob to billybob eh? bet you don't have angelina tho ;) |
| 14:25.14 | prpplague | sorphin: angelina? |
| 14:25.23 | prpplague | sorphin: ohh, joline? |
| 14:25.30 | sorphin | -n |
| 14:25.45 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: you talkin' about me? |
| 14:25.46 | sorphin | prpplague: or because of her lips, more likely known as angelina blowme :P |
| 14:26.00 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: yeah, ken asked somehting, and i said to ask you, you'd know how to ;) |
| 14:26.07 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: all with open source code? |
| 14:26.15 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: <GPSFan> sorphin: ok, trying to figure how to fir 40 hours worth of work into |
| 14:26.15 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:26.15 | sorphin | <GPSFan> s/fir/fit |
| 14:26.15 | sorphin | <sorphin> GPSFan: ask CP, he does it :P |
| 14:26.23 | CosmicPenguin | Hardly |
| 14:26.34 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: coulda fooled me |
| 14:27.03 | signal11 | CosmicPenguin: yes the network and sound are supported in 2.4.20 |
| 14:27.10 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: good deal |
| 14:27.24 | signal11 | video might not be so easy |
| 14:27.38 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: thats the sticky wicket right there |
| 14:27.49 | prpplague | ibot: seen timriker |
| 14:27.50 | | timriker <~timr@proxyle02.ext.ti.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #opie, 13h 2m 20s ago, saying: 'well, I have to head home. cya'. |
| 14:27.55 | signal11 | but if that fails i can at least use it in the truck |
| 14:28.03 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: Step 1 is a framebuffer, of course |
| 14:28.12 | signal11 | (slightly) better than nothing |
| 14:28.23 | signal11 | i want to try freevo |
| 14:29.24 | sorphin | prpplague: doh |
| 14:29.59 | prpplague | sorphin: i assuming the job is still open :) |
| 14:30.05 | prpplague | sorphin: or did you get hired? |
| 14:30.13 | sorphin | prpplague: didn't even apply |
| 14:30.28 | sorphin | so knock yourself out |
| 14:30.44 | sorphin | prpplague: only way i'd do it is if it were telecommuting |
| 14:31.10 | sorphin | no offense, but i'm not moving to tx, esp seeing as my gf, etc are up here |
| 14:40.04 | prpplague | sorphin: right |
| 14:40.23 | prpplague | sorphin: i'm just wondering what kinda $$ they are offering |
| 14:40.55 | prpplague | sorphin: i found the job listing on the ti employment page, but no $$ amount listed |
| 14:54.01 | sorphin | prpplague: which means it's negotiated based on experience, etc |
| 14:54.58 | scanline | hmm.. think they'd be willing to take in a telecommuting college student real cheap? :) |
| 14:55.04 | signal11 | CosmicPenguin: one weird thing, the network works here but didn't work at home |
| 14:55.18 | CosmicPenguin | That is wierd |
| 14:55.21 | signal11 | it seems to be a common problem in the forums |
| 14:55.26 | signal11 | relatively common |
| 14:55.33 | CosmicPenguin | Something to do with the MII I guess? |
| 14:55.33 | sorphin | scanline: just don't mention picogui *g* |
| 14:55.36 | signal11 | very sensitive to power issues |
| 14:55.58 | scanline | sorphin: I dunno what GUI they're using, but someone at TI was evaluating picogui |
| 14:56.04 | sorphin | scanline: scary |
| 14:56.08 | scanline | yeah |
| 14:56.20 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: speaking of which, how is Royal? |
| 14:56.28 | scanline | CosmicPenguin: haven't heard from them in a while |
| 14:56.50 | scanline | valourtech decided they didn't need me after all |
| 14:57.06 | scanline | though I recently got a little work to do from eForth |
| 15:04.06 | mallum | kergoth`bbl: ah |
| 15:04.26 | mallum | scanline: hey I updated your freetype lib in builroot - hope thats ok ? |
| 15:04.34 | scanline | mallum: thanks |
| 15:04.45 | scanline | I've had other things to do.. and don't even have bitkeeper installed at the moment |
| 15:04.55 | scanline | (not too excited about reinstalling it either :) |
| 15:05.13 | sorphin | scanline: ;) |
| 15:05.14 | mallum | scanline: np, tis 2.1.4 now and I've made a fontconfig package - not sure if picogui uses that ( yet ? ) |
| 15:05.20 | scanline | nope |
| 15:05.45 | scanline | though it should... *sigh*, so much to do |
| 15:05.54 | scanline | at least I'm planning on rewriting the whole thing :) |
| 15:06.24 | mallum | scanline: you should just ditch it and work on making X better on smaller things ;-) |
| 15:06.31 | scanline | heh |
| 15:07.09 | mallum | scanline: would a X11 proto->pg proto proxy/bridge be possible ? |
| 15:07.17 | scanline | mallum: not really |
| 15:07.33 | scanline | well, not easily at least |
| 15:07.40 | mallum | scanline: didn't think so. I was only joking about X, pg is really cool |
| 15:08.21 | prpplague | mallum: didn't think you were the trolling type :) |
| 15:08.30 | scanline | I don't really have a problem with X, but all the conversations I've had so far with X developers lead me to believe it's doomed |
| 15:08.30 | mallum | prpplague: no, not me guv |
| 15:08.55 | mallum | hehe |
| 15:09.09 | scanline | nobody I've seen is interested in refactoring the code, or making anything more manageable.. just keeping it on life support |
| 15:09.35 | mallum | well I think thats whats kind of happening now with the whole keithp thing |
| 15:09.45 | scanline | I'd like to think so too |
| 15:09.55 | mallum | I totally agree btw |
| 15:10.15 | scanline | I'd love to see X separated into a few libraries, for protocol, primitives, video backend, and configuration |
| 15:10.29 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: what, like Picogui and MW? |
| 15:10.41 | scanline | so then you could use the video drivers in another project, or easily replace the configuration system with something easier for newbies |
| 15:10.55 | kergoth`bbl | mallum: ah? |
| 15:10.58 | scanline | CosmicPenguin: and fresco, and GGI, and probably much more |
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| 15:11.24 | mallum | kergoth: heylo |
| 15:11.33 | scanline | or you could use X's protocol library in an X server emulator for another platform |
| 15:11.59 | mallum | kergoth: ah dc_ is having probs with his new image, apparently on boot he gets one line of shell and the rest sharp logo |
| 15:12.01 | scanline | and of course make the whole codebase's learning curve a little shallower |
| 15:12.16 | kergoth | mallum: he didnt name zimage correctly |
| 15:12.20 | kergoth | mallum: zimage.bin |
| 15:12.24 | mallum | kergoth: aha |
| 15:14.14 | mallum | kergoth: thanks |
| 15:14.24 | mallum | kergoth: I've made a few new packages in buildroot :-) |
| 15:15.50 | kergoth | nice, what packages? |
| 15:16.18 | mallum | kergoth: fontconfig, new freetype, expat, vera fonts |
| 15:16.29 | mallum | kergoth: have a few probs with the vera fonts |
| 15:16.31 | kergoth | ah, nice |
| 15:16.32 | kergoth | what probs? |
| 15:16.52 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: if you get a chance, you, me and scanline should get together and try to figure out a generic way to start the graphics engines without having 18 different inittab skeletons |
| 15:17.07 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:17.10 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: I had to add w3c-libwww and a madplay binary for pixil too |
| 15:18.08 | kergoth | actually, i'd prefer to ditch inittab in general in favor of an alternate init.. but that method would do. |
| 15:18.15 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: wouldn't that be more useful for *multiple* guis? |
| 15:18.34 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: not necessarily |
| 15:18.43 | kergoth | you need only show 'console' and the single available gui |
| 15:18.50 | kergoth | now the user has a means of dropping to console easily as well |
| 15:19.05 | CosmicPenguin | true - but most GUIs probably wouldn't want that |
| 15:19.17 | kergoth | ? |
| 15:19.18 | CosmicPenguin | specially those of us who market to the idiot segement of the market |
| 15:19.37 | kergoth | the bootmenu would be an independent package, one neednt install it |
| 15:19.49 | CosmicPenguin | very true - and I agree that a bootmenu would be a useful tool |
| 15:20.15 | scanline | anything that lets us start pixil, opie, and picogui on different VTs would be cool :) |
| 15:20.36 | kergoth | all you'd have to do is set a sane default |
| 15:20.45 | kergoth | opie is default on vt2, picogui is default on vt3, etc |
| 15:20.47 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:21.01 | kergoth | then uninstalling bootmenu simply results in the default being started |
| 15:21.17 | kergoth | then all you need, is a sane means of the system deciding which vt to switch you to on boot. |
| 15:21.20 | CosmicPenguin | agreed |
| 15:21.34 | sorphin | heh |
| 15:21.48 | CosmicPenguin | I'm more concerned about a generic manner of starting the various operating environments |
| 15:21.54 | sorphin | scanline: and overload whatever you're running it all on ;) |
| 15:21.57 | CosmicPenguin | and handling the respawn issue |
| 15:22.34 | CosmicPenguin | To me, having a x:2:respawn:/usr/pixil/nxstart.sh line in initab is unacceptable |
| 15:24.40 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: my point is, you'd simply have respawn entries for a 'bootmenu', which when a boot menu isnt installed, simply calls the default gui for that vt |
| 15:24.54 | CosmicPenguin | You could even tie it into your bootmenu |
| 15:25.03 | CosmicPenguin | with an executable like 'guistart' - the boot menu could simply do something like 'guistart opie vt/2' |
| 15:25.19 | kergoth | yep |
| 15:25.22 | kergoth | well |
| 15:25.29 | kergoth | i disagree with putting 'opie' in the inittabv |
| 15:25.32 | kergoth | in any shape way or form |
| 15:25.41 | CosmicPenguin | Right - I see a default |
| 15:25.42 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: thats the type of start i use |
| 15:25.45 | kergoth | i'd say guistart vt/2, with a /etc/vt2.d/ or something |
| 15:25.55 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: much better |
| 15:26.05 | scanline | that'd be neat |
| 15:26.07 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i also incorporate a check for a file i.e. .nogui |
| 15:26.16 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: that prevents the gui from starting |
| 15:26.31 | mallum | kergoth: the vera fonts is just a tarball, so it the makefile theres no actual make - so a few targets consist of just touch $@ , but when I make SUBDIRS=packages/vera-fonts nothing happens :( |
| 15:26.36 | kergoth | prpplague: easier, the default script in vt2.d is console. if the gui is uninstalled, it runs console. if yo have a bootmenu, you can select console |
| 15:26.37 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: though, I see a world where most people would only care about vt/0 - so the vt should be optional, IMHO |
| 15:26.48 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: sure, making vt/0 default is simple enough |
| 15:26.52 | CosmicPenguin | definately |
| 15:27.11 | kergoth | i've been annoyed with the ways guis start for years. i want this on my desktop too |
| 15:27.14 | kergoth | :) |
| 15:27.31 | prpplague | kergoth: agreed, however, lets say there was something wrong with your enviroment or you need to debug, you'd want to get to the point where you could start the gui by hand |
| 15:27.54 | kergoth | prpplague: runlevels. |
| 15:28.03 | prpplague | kergoth: agreed as well |
| 15:28.13 | prpplague | kergoth: just a personal pref i guess |
| 15:28.16 | kergoth | yeah |
| 15:28.17 | CosmicPenguin | yeah - runlevels are easy enough |
| 15:28.29 | kergoth | so who wants to code it? |
| 15:28.31 | CosmicPenguin | though Busybox doesn't bother with them - which I assume is a concern for the future |
| 15:28.37 | kergoth | its been on my todo for a while, but i havent had time personally |
| 15:28.48 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: I'll start hacking on it - I'm doing Pixil anyway - it all fits |
| 15:28.49 | kergoth | brb, coffee run |
| 15:29.20 | prpplague | kergoth: i'm gearing up to get back into the swing of things but it'll be a couple weeks before i'm back up to speed on oz/oe |
| 15:31.17 | sorphin | prpplague: but you're always up to speed on POS ;) |
| 15:34.46 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: finally, we have universal touchscreen filtering in Nano-X |
| 15:35.05 | scanline | cool |
| 15:35.17 | prpplague | sorphin: maybe not for long |
| 15:35.23 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: all based on picogui of course |
| 15:35.28 | scanline | :) |
| 15:35.31 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: or rather, the picogui model |
| 15:35.45 | scanline | you did a full input filter type system? |
| 15:35.50 | sorphin | prpplague: yeah yeah, POS will always be your 1st *cough* love |
| 15:36.01 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: sort of |
| 15:36.07 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: no plugins or anything like that |
| 15:36.15 | scanline | ah |
| 15:36.30 | prpplague | sorphin: is that anything like the 1st time as a prostitute? |
| 15:36.42 | CosmicPenguin | nice shot |
| 15:36.59 | scanline | egads! |
| 15:37.03 | scanline | biological warfare! |
| 15:37.03 | sorphin | prpplague: something like that |
| 15:37.36 | sorphin | prpplague: speaking of whores |
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| 15:37.51 | sorphin | prpplague: if you leave abcsinc, you won't see your fav mailroom whore anymore *grin* |
| 15:38.01 | sorphin | prpplague: or ashley for that matter |
| 15:38.23 | prpplague | sorphin: no matter, next friday is both their last days :( |
| 15:38.27 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: the biggest concern of course would be - could you still IRC from TI? |
| 15:38.31 | sorphin | prpplague: doh |
| 15:38.46 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: tim has a couple times |
| 15:38.46 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: probably not |
| 15:38.54 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i.e. we don't seem tim much |
| 15:38.57 | CosmicPenguin | What will we ever do for fun? |
| 15:39.14 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: guess you'll have to talk to sorphin |
| 15:39.16 | sorphin | prpplague: well, tim's just busy prolly, cuz i've seen him appear here through the TI firewall |
| 15:39.29 | scanline | you just have to write an IRC client for your TI cell-phone-thingies, then test it extensively |
| 15:39.52 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: don't worry, i wouldn't subject you to that |
| 15:39.52 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: is that anything like the job testing the security of porn websites? |
| 15:40.10 | scanline | CosmicPenguin: eh.. only if the porn website is in the form of ascii art delivered by an IRC bot |
| 15:40.13 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: unless you're sjhill and don't belive in pr0n |
| 15:40.54 | CosmicPenguin | my objectives are to test the sability of our ftp client downloading binary data from some of the webs busiest servers |
| 15:41.04 | scanline | hehe |
| 15:41.09 | sorphin | on the way to see sarah, i go past 2 humorous things.. a) a bright pink bilboard that says "Porn Destroys Lives", which is right next to a bilboard for an Adult Store :P |
| 15:41.40 | sorphin | and b) another one, further on that says (right before an adult store), "Porn hurts everyone" or somesuch |
| 15:41.47 | scanline | "Porn Destroys Lives"? |
| 15:41.54 | scanline | that's like saying "The Internet Killed Jesus!" |
| 15:42.12 | sorphin | scanline: tell that to the bible thumper that had that sign put up |
| 15:42.15 | signal11 | sorphin: heh you should have taken a picture |
| 15:42.17 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: Evanston, Wyoming is right on the Utah/Wyoming border |
| 15:42.24 | scanline | heheh |
| 15:42.25 | sorphin | signal11: i'm going to next trip |
| 15:42.37 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: On the WY side, there are lots of billboards for fireworks, liquor and porn |
| 15:42.47 | CosmicPenguin | and on the UT side, there are lots of billboards against the porn |
| 15:42.52 | sorphin | hehe |
| 15:43.03 | sorphin | damn mormons |
| 15:43.08 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: don't forget tobaco |
| 15:43.44 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: tobbaco is one drug thats not hard to fiind in Utah |
| 15:44.33 | scanline | "Well in those days Mars was just a dreary uninhabitable wasteland... much like Utah. But unlike Utah, it was eventually made livable, when the university was founed in 2636." -Professor Farnsworth, Futurama |
| 15:45.02 | sorphin | heh |
| 15:45.03 | sorphin | cute |
| 15:45.07 | prpplague | scanline: lol, ya saw that epi the other night in a bar in nassau |
| 15:45.22 | scanline | it's a great episode, especially for pessimistic university students |
| 15:45.47 | sorphin | scanline: like you? |
| 15:46.07 | scanline | "I don't know how to teach! I'ma Professor!" |
| 15:46.13 | scanline | pfft.. |
| 15:46.28 | scanline | what's with these quotes pages having typos |
| 15:47.43 | prpplague | scanline: you still have my pg quote up on the quotes page? |
| 15:48.16 | scanline | should |
| 15:48.23 | scanline | though the quotes page hasn't been moved to the new wiki |
| 15:48.34 | scanline | http://old.picogui.org/wiki/view/Main/Quotes |
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| 15:49.41 | scanline | brb, breakfast |
| 15:51.05 | signal11 | my favorite sign is still the peta sign about how jesus was a vegetarian |
| 15:53.35 | signal11 | it had an orange slice as the halo behind his head |
| 15:54.16 | CosmicPenguin | Interesting |
| 15:57.30 | sorphin | signal11: heh |
| 16:03.32 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: how do you configure sqlite to build for the arm platform? |
| 16:03.35 | CosmicPenguin | my libtool keeps breaking |
| 16:09.33 | CosmicPenguin | nm |
| 16:10.02 | kergoth | we have sqlite in buildroot.. |
| 16:10.05 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:10.12 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: yeah, I just found it |
| 16:10.18 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:11.35 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: I went to mkdir packages/sqlite, and what do you know - it was already there.... :) |
| 16:11.36 | CosmicPenguin | Doh |
| 16:11.47 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:12.10 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: whats the deal with output/staging - you prefer arm platform stuff to go into arm-linux, or do you not really care? |
| 16:13.00 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: arm libs -> $(STAGING_LIBDIR), x86 bins -> $(STAGING_BINDIR) |
| 16:13.08 | CosmicPenguin | ok |
| 16:13.27 | CosmicPenguin | what about header files? |
| 16:13.38 | kergoth | $(STAGING_DIR)/include |
| 16:13.47 | CosmicPenguin | ok |
| 16:16.02 | CosmicPenguin | what about for braindead apps that only obey a single prefix? |
| 16:16.33 | kergoth | dont use make install into staging unless you absolutely have to |
| 16:16.38 | CosmicPenguin | ok |
| 16:16.41 | kergoth | manual install -m or cp is preferred |
| 16:16.51 | kergoth | avoids manpage and infopage mess as well |
| 16:17.08 | CosmicPenguin | I was actually thinking about my braindead app that looks in $(PREFIX)/include and $(PREFIX)/lib |
| 16:17.09 | sorphin | kergoth: things that fail cuz i don't use .info's annoy me |
| 16:17.11 | CosmicPenguin | to build |
| 16:17.31 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: autoconf? |
| 16:17.37 | CosmicPenguin | not a chance |
| 16:17.41 | kergoth | ah |
| 16:17.42 | sorphin | hehe |
| 16:17.54 | kergoth | was gonna say, autoconf obeys cflags and ldflags from the environment in its test pass |
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| 16:18.14 | kergoth | you simply need to see how to pass in flags for the gcc compile and link passes in the buildsystem i nquestion |
| 16:18.18 | CosmicPenguin | Hmm.... thats probably what I'm going to have to do too |
| 16:18.25 | TomW | prpplague: dave, you around? |
| 16:18.32 | CosmicPenguin | But I was unhappy with the decisions that OZ was making regarding the compiler flags |
| 16:18.35 | CosmicPenguin | so I ignored them |
| 16:18.36 | sorphin | TomW: yo |
| 16:18.41 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: dont like arm optimizations? |
| 16:18.45 | sorphin | TomW: and yeah, dave's here somewhere |
| 16:18.53 | sorphin | or was a lil bit ago atleast |
| 16:18.55 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: something wasn't kosher - can't remember what it was now, though |
| 16:19.10 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: then pass -I$(STAGING_DIR)/include -L$(STAGING_LIBDIR) -Wl,rpath-link,$(STAGING_LIBDIR) |
| 16:19.20 | TomW | about freakin' time that that boy shows up! |
| 16:19.21 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: and pester me about the flags, i prefer such things to affect all builds |
| 16:20.14 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: I'll try to figure it out again - my buildroot is a bit of a dick - it assumes that the user is a complete moron, so I'm having trouble figuring out how to make it play nice with OZ |
| 16:22.42 | TomW | prpplague: hello Dave, you wanna make some money Dave? |
| 16:23.00 | sorphin | TomW: i think he's busy trying to figure out the TI job application ;) |
| 16:23.00 | TomW | heh |
| 16:23.06 | TomW | LOL |
| 16:23.17 | sorphin | TomW: he's gonna apply to work w/ timmy |
| 16:23.44 | TomW | What happened? he got Motazuma's Revenge while in the Carribean or something? |
| 16:23.48 | kergoth | ah |
| 16:23.54 | kergoth | prpplague: good luck :) |
| 16:24.03 | sorphin | TomW: dunno |
| 16:25.06 | sorphin | TomW: what's your callsign again ? |
| 16:28.15 | TomW | WN3L, what was yours? |
| 16:28.33 | sorphin | kb0olz (the one you made fun of :P ) |
| 16:28.40 | TomW | je |
| 16:28.43 | TomW | heh |
| 16:29.25 | sorphin | TomW: heh, an extra |
| 16:29.30 | sorphin | you ham junkie you |
| 16:29.36 | TomW | I've got a meeting today with a customer. He is finally seeing what I told / proposed to him 3 years ago! |
| 16:32.53 | TomW | sorphin: yeah, only way I could get a 'W' callsign was either that or move to Puerto Rico. |
| 16:33.04 | sorphin | heh |
| 16:33.17 | sorphin | TomW: what's so special about a W callsign? :P |
| 16:34.01 | TomW | I've always wanted a Ham license since I was a kid and they had been issuing Whiskey calls back then, I just wanted a Whiskey callsign |
| 16:34.12 | sorphin | TomW: ah |
| 16:34.36 | TomW | n3jva --> ke3dp --> wn3l |
| 16:34.44 | TomW | I like this one |
| 16:35.03 | sorphin | nod |
| 16:35.15 | sorphin | i ended up w/ a K cuz htey ran out of N's |
| 16:35.36 | TomW | almost kept ke3dp, if the fcc had waited one more year on the vanity program, I would have kept it. |
| 16:35.38 | sorphin | my friend tom (a diff one, but also a ham), is n0yyw, he's who got me into it |
| 16:35.57 | TomW | ouch, he doesn't do much CW does he? |
| 16:36.06 | signal11 | CosmicPenguin: doing a kernel compile, i'll let you know the compile time (2.4.20) |
| 16:36.21 | signal11 | sound support is weird |
| 16:36.31 | TomW | -. ----- -.-- -.-- .-- |
| 16:36.38 | signal11 | apparently the 2.4.20-ac2 is required (or alsa... ack) |
| 16:36.38 | TomW | lot of dashes |
| 16:37.37 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: prolly alsa - doesn't matter thats what the future is anyway |
| 16:38.38 | signal11 | i'm waiting for 2.6 for alsa |
| 16:38.48 | signal11 | modules drive me crazy |
| 16:44.24 | sorphin | TomW: eh? what you mean? |
| 16:44.32 | sorphin | TomW: he got his when they were still giving N calls |
| 16:44.47 | sorphin | TomW: i only got a K cuz htey were out of N's |
| 16:45.08 | signal11 | 10 minute compile; not bad |
| 16:47.40 | signal11 | Via 686a/8233/8235 audio driver 1.9.1-ac |
| 16:47.42 | signal11 | via82cxxx: Six channel audio available |
| 16:47.58 | sorphin | heh |
| 16:47.58 | signal11 | i Really Want the mpeg to work too |
| 16:47.59 | TomW | sorphin: a killer on cw (n0yyw): -. ----- -.-- -.-- .-- |
| 16:48.10 | sorphin | TomW: he knows CW, i don't |
| 16:48.22 | signal11 | this thing could be the ultimate dvd ripper |
| 17:01.08 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: grr... libwww is really sort of a PITA to install by hand |
| 17:01.27 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: it's also why ibot can't do xe.com anymore |
| 17:01.40 | sorphin | if we could get libwww to stop reporting a UA |
| 17:02.36 | CosmicPenguin | bah |
| 17:02.52 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: the mpeg will be a while (if ever) |
| 17:03.00 | CosmicPenguin | Hell, we don't even have a framebuffer at this point |
| 17:03.15 | CosmicPenguin | Belay that - we have VESA, but thats no fun |
| 17:03.29 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: vesa *yawn* |
| 17:03.44 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: might as well be using ega :P |
| 17:05.47 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: do a make install.. capture the output.. copy & paste ;) |
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| 17:08.11 | sorphin | Morn: yo |
| 17:08.19 | sorphin | erm |
| 17:08.25 | julie | yo |
| 17:08.42 | sorphin | JulieWork: uh oh.. |
| 17:08.45 | prpplague | JulieWork: get back here |
| 17:08.50 | prpplague | JulieWork: you can;t work |
| 17:08.55 | JulieWork | doh! |
| 17:09.09 | sorphin | JulieWork: anyways, got mpeg2vcr, trying to track down a useable serial |
| 17:09.15 | prpplague | JulieWork: new job? cell phone disposal service? |
| 17:09.35 | sorphin | JulieWork: the binary's at http://www.womble.com/exe/MPEG2VCR.EXE |
| 17:09.49 | JulieWork | sorphin: I got that binary |
| 17:09.55 | JulieWork | but without the serial it won't touch mpeg2 |
| 17:10.04 | sorphin | JulieWork: umm |
| 17:10.08 | sorphin | JulieWork: actualy |
| 17:10.13 | sorphin | w/o a serial, it wont' even run ;) |
| 17:10.32 | sorphin | you have the option of putting in a serial or quitting |
| 17:10.40 | JulieWork | ack |
| 17:10.50 | JulieWork | prpplague: MIS Coordinator for a small non-profit |
| 17:11.00 | sorphin | JulieWork: this is 3.14 |
| 17:11.08 | sorphin | JulieWork: i got a serial for 3.11 and 3.12 |
| 17:11.14 | sorphin | but neither work for .14 |
| 17:11.23 | JulieWork | :-( |
| 17:11.24 | JulieWork | bummer |
| 17:11.34 | JulieWork | I hear it is THE tool for fixing and editing files |
| 17:11.44 | sorphin | yeah |
| 17:11.57 | sorphin | JulieWork: well, i got my best digging for it, plus i am as well |
| 17:13.13 | prpplague | JulieWork: lol, ya i remember you telling us about it |
| 17:13.18 | prpplague | JulieWork: sounds like fun |
| 17:13.59 | JulieWork | I've been told watching me fix stuff is fun, they aren't used to seeing that much data flash across the screen |
| 17:14.08 | prpplague | JulieWork: lol |
| 17:14.19 | JulieWork | this comment came from me searching a sendmail log file for a email message problem |
| 17:14.44 | prpplague | JulieWork: is this non-profit for the promotion of internet pr0n? |
| 17:14.56 | JulieWork | no, workers rights |
| 17:15.52 | prpplague | JulieWork: ahh ever worker has the right to have pr0n? |
| 17:15.59 | prpplague | JulieWork: jk |
| 17:16.18 | JulieWork | doh! |
| 17:16.29 | sorphin | prpplague: well, they do |
| 17:16.45 | JulieWork | no, they aduit factories over seas to make sure that Nike, for example, isn't exploiting the workers |
| 17:17.54 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: I can reproduce their install - its going to be a very fugly packages Makfile though |
| 17:18.30 | Russ | JulieWork: ever hear of grep? |
| 17:18.51 | JulieWork | Russ: doesn't work well for sendmail logs |
| 17:19.11 | Russ | btw, use transcode |
| 17:19.13 | JulieWork | I find using less with / searches the best |
| 17:19.24 | prpplague | argh, i'm gonna have to join #redhat and ask questions :( |
| 17:19.29 | prpplague | i hate that channel |
| 17:20.03 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: can we help? |
| 17:20.16 | sorphin | prpplague: <nelson from simpsons> HAHA! </nelson from simpsons> |
| 17:20.36 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the console emulation between rhat7.3 and rhat9 has changed |
| 17:20.37 | signal11 | CosmicPenguin: if you could choose an mpeg chip to use, which would it be? |
| 17:20.46 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: all the ansi escapes are different |
| 17:20.55 | signal11 | perhaps we can get via to release another version |
| 17:21.01 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: doesn't seem to still be semi-vt100 compliant |
| 17:21.05 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: thats a good question |
| 17:21.14 | signal11 | might take a year but at least we can let them know |
| 17:21.33 | Russ | JulieWork: http://www.theorie.physik.uni-goettingen.de/~ostreich/transcode/ |
| 17:21.40 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: ahh - don't know anything about rhat9 |
| 17:21.41 | Russ | (apt-get installable via marialat) |
| 17:21.45 | CosmicPenguin | JulieWork: transcode rules! |
| 17:21.53 | JulieWork | transcode is great |
| 17:22.02 | JulieWork | I helped fix some bugs in it a long time ago |
| 17:22.05 | signal11 | transcode #1 |
| 17:22.06 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: VIA is going to start working on the MPEG, but its going to be very propriatary and its a ways out |
| 17:22.09 | JulieWork | when it was first getting out there |
| 17:22.28 | JulieWork | the author is nice to talk with too |
| 17:22.28 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: I keep trying to get partner status to work on the code, but they keep turning me down |
| 17:22.35 | sorphin | Russ: transcode's mplex works better than the mjpeg one |
| 17:22.42 | Russ | so why are you looking for mpeg2vcr serials? |
| 17:22.46 | CosmicPenguin | better sync support |
| 17:22.51 | sorphin | Russ: mpeg2vcr is an editor |
| 17:22.57 | sorphin | Russ: not an transcoder |
| 17:22.59 | JulieWork | Russ: it's for editing |
| 17:23.07 | JulieWork | but it also has a function to fix PTS errors |
| 17:23.21 | JulieWork | which seem to run rampant in the Happauge PVR hardware MPEG encoded files |
| 17:23.33 | sorphin | Russ: the vcr of the name just means it can be used to edit |
| 17:23.38 | Russ | what about avidemux? |
| 17:23.40 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: the problem with the MPEG is that we run right smack up against the patents |
| 17:24.12 | JulieWork | actually I am going to try to get a Mac machine and use Final Cut Pro :-) |
| 17:24.35 | signal11 | CosmicPenguin: so there aren't any useful mpeg chips? |
| 17:24.45 | sorphin | JulieWork: bah |
| 17:24.48 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: not for us Linux hippies - not at this point |
| 17:24.53 | sorphin | JulieWork: sellout ;) |
| 17:25.00 | JulieWork | sorphin: :-) |
| 17:25.14 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: the problem is, that eveyrone is scared of lawsuits, so they only want to play with people who can demonstrate that they have the money to protect themselves |
| 17:25.17 | JulieWork | Conextent(sp?) |
| 17:25.35 | signal11 | conexant |
| 17:25.49 | CosmicPenguin | Even little pissant companies like Sigma Designs wouldn't trust a company like Century |
| 17:25.55 | Russ | and have you looked at lvs-studio? |
| 17:25.56 | JulieWork | there is work on drivers for the Hauppauge PVR-250/350 cards for linux |
| 17:26.33 | sorphin | JulieWork: i know |
| 17:26.39 | sorphin | JulieWork: i know one of the people working on hte PAL sutff |
| 17:26.41 | sorphin | stuff |
| 17:27.13 | sorphin | JulieWork: used to hang in hte tivo channel and just repopped up the other day and mentioned about the PVR card stuff |
| 17:27.56 | JulieWork | I like the cards |
| 17:28.05 | JulieWork | I just wish I could edit the comercials out easier |
| 17:28.07 | sorphin | JulieWork: i've yet to see a 350 |
| 17:28.25 | JulieWork | it's just a 250 with MPEG hardware decoding out |
| 17:28.38 | JulieWork | but the out is ONLY MPEG |
| 17:29.24 | sorphin | nod |
| 17:30.15 | CosmicPenguin | The broadcom chips seem to be fairly good - I just don't know how much capital is needed to get our grubby little hands on the specs |
| 17:30.24 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 17:30.27 | CosmicPenguin | Plus, we need to find outselves a hundred grand or so to acutally make some boards |
| 17:30.31 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: more than you wanna know ;) |
| 17:30.49 | JulieWork | A friend of mine works for Broadcom |
| 17:30.57 | sorphin | JulieWork: sjhill used to work for em |
| 17:30.58 | JulieWork | but he works for the part that makes wireless stuff |
| 17:30.59 | Russ | JulieWork: lvs-studio does scene detection |
| 17:31.16 | Russ | then shows little thumbnails of all the scenes |
| 17:31.19 | JulieWork | Russ: for editing and authoring DVD's linux can't compete with Windows |
| 17:31.42 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i got the specs for the bcm chip the series 2 tivo uses, but of course it's not ahem.. properly attained |
| 17:31.59 | Russ | just tryin' to help |
| 17:32.01 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: it uses the 7030 or 40 or somesuch |
| 17:32.08 | JulieWork | Russ: I know |
| 17:32.24 | JulieWork | Russ: but, I've just run in too many obsticals with doing the video work on linux |
| 17:32.37 | sorphin | JulieWork: and CP is hardcore linux only for dvd stuff ;) |
| 17:32.49 | JulieWork | Russ: plus til I get a solid working driver for the PVR board, windows is the only way to do it |
| 17:32.59 | sorphin | Russ: i can't find a link to lvs-studio via google |
| 17:33.10 | Russ | sorphin: try linuxvideostudio |
| 17:33.48 | sorphin | Russ: still trying to find a tick or 2 to make that damn cable too |
| 17:33.58 | Russ | a tick? |
| 17:34.04 | Russ | or, time |
| 17:34.09 | sorphin | time |
| 17:34.11 | Russ | s/or/er/ |
| 17:34.11 | sorphin | sorry |
| 17:34.16 | sorphin | a tick = a second |
| 17:34.25 | sorphin | i talk to too many brits |
| 17:34.26 | Russ | I got time confused with tclk |
| 17:34.40 | sorphin | hehe |
| 17:34.43 | Russ | tick is american too...its just all the jtag stuff starts with t |
| 17:35.10 | sorphin | indeed |
| 17:35.19 | sorphin | Russ: i know ;) |
| 17:35.32 | sorphin | Russ: just glad i got that crap traced out |
| 17:35.38 | sorphin | now if i could just make the damn cable |
| 17:35.43 | sorphin | maybe i could get somewhere :P |
| 17:35.57 | Russ | sorphin: you have any old AT cases? |
| 17:36.03 | sorphin | nope |
| 17:36.14 | Russ | bummer, the DB25 serial ports on those come in handy |
| 17:36.24 | sorphin | Russ: that conn isn't a prob |
| 17:36.34 | sorphin | Russ: the prob is the cradle i have to hack to do this |
| 17:36.41 | sorphin | since you can't sample/buy the Z's connector |
| 17:36.56 | sorphin | the damn nTRST pin is gnd'd in 2-3 places |
| 17:36.56 | Russ | ah, maybe hack the cradle? |
| 17:37.08 | sorphin | right |
| 17:37.14 | sorphin | but i have to unground all those places |
| 17:37.19 | sorphin | one is easy |
| 17:37.24 | Russ | ah |
| 17:37.26 | sorphin | another involves a trace cut or 2 |
| 17:37.33 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: any gotchas when you install the forms app on the strongarm? |
| 17:37.44 | Russ | trace cuts are no big deal, just don't get overzealous or impatient |
| 17:39.49 | sorphin | Russ: yeah, the prob is these are a pain.. |
| 17:40.25 | Russ | just slowly scratch back and forth across the trace with a sharp pointy tool |
| 17:41.20 | sorphin | Russ: yeah, i know, just figuring the best way, cuz it's gonna have to be switchable |
| 17:41.39 | sorphin | Russ: unless for normal Z usb crap i go buy a cable |
| 17:41.49 | sorphin | and sacrafice the cradle |
| 17:42.04 | sorphin | these are right inbetween the 16 pin conn and the ribbon conn |
| 17:45.11 | sorphin | Russ: just another fun sharp muckup |
| 18:02.49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: nothing jumped out at me |
| 18:03.01 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: although i haven't tried in awhile |
| 18:03.11 | CosmicPenguin | Cept that the list of sections was wayyyy too big for the screen |
| 18:03.34 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: thats not a crime - I need to rewrite the choice widget for pixil anyway, I might as well do it here first |
| 18:30.25 | CosmicPenguin | mmm... transcode |
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| 18:40.40 | CosmicPenguin | woo-hoo! We have epia |
| 18:41.38 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: ? |
| 18:42.31 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: my company bought an Epia to mess around with and the UPS guy just dropped it off |
| 18:43.22 | prpplague | epia? |
| 18:43.32 | CosmicPenguin | ~epia |
| 18:43.35 | prpplague | sounds like you need some penacillen |
| 18:43.35 | sorphin | prpplague: that was my Q too |
| 18:44.27 | CosmicPenguin | The Via Epia - its a multimedia platform with builtin dolby 5.1, firewire, and MPEG2 decoder |
| 18:44.43 | kergoth | nice |
| 18:45.05 | CosmicPenguin | Only problem is (of course) VIA is being a bitch about the specs - specially the MPEG2 |
| 18:45.12 | sorphin | ah |
| 18:45.19 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: hence what you and mark were on about |
| 18:45.27 | CosmicPenguin | xactly |
| 18:50.16 | prpplague | kergoth: hey |
| 18:50.23 | prpplague | kergoth: digi+rhat9 ? |
| 18:50.29 | prpplague | kergoth: any issues? |
| 18:50.34 | kergoth | digi+rhat9 probably = ugly |
| 18:50.37 | kergoth | havent tested it |
| 18:50.38 | kergoth | good luck |
| 18:50.40 | kergoth | :) |
| 18:50.45 | prpplague | kergoth: fun |
| 18:50.49 | sorphin | kergoth: i thought digi+anything = ugly ;) |
| 18:51.16 | prpplague | sorphin: no, that sorphin+procrating=ugly |
| 18:51.29 | sorphin | prpplague: heh |
| 18:51.38 | sorphin | prpplague: who said you could talk, POS whore |
| 18:51.46 | kergoth | ibot: spell procrating |
| 18:51.48 | | possible spellings for procrating: procreating pro crating pro-crating prorating programing procreation procuring proctoring recreating protracting prostrating projecting probating procreative programming perforating |
| 18:51.51 | prpplague | kergoth: ya ya, i can't speel |
| 18:51.54 | prpplague | lol |
| 18:52.01 | sorphin | prpplague: useless texans |
| 18:52.39 | prpplague | kergoth: sad thing is that my mother was an english teacher |
| 18:52.41 | Russ | ibot: spell speel |
| 18:52.42 | | possible spellings for speel: spell spiel sepal Peel peel speer speed steel spill spoil spool speller Spiegel Pele supple Perl spew spree suppl repel |
| 18:53.06 | prpplague | kergoth: i think i drove her insane when i failed so many spelling tests |
| 18:54.27 | prpplague | anyone know the current support for SM cards under linux? |
| 18:54.56 | sorphin | prpplague: sm = smartmedia ? |
| 18:55.01 | Russ | smartcard |
| 18:55.04 | Russ | I think he means |
| 18:55.17 | sorphin | i hope not ;) |
| 18:55.36 | prpplague | doc says smartmedia |
| 18:55.49 | sorphin | thought so |
| 18:55.58 | sorphin | prpplague: camera? |
| 18:56.10 | prpplague | gp32 |
| 18:56.15 | sorphin | which is |
| 18:56.34 | sorphin | ibot: gp32 |
| 18:56.35 | | sorphin: i don't know |
| 18:57.07 | prpplague | http://www.sandisk.com/consumer/sm_card.asp |
| 18:57.13 | prpplague | sorphin: a card like that |
| 18:57.21 | sorphin | i know what a smartmedia card is |
| 18:57.27 | sorphin | my olympus camera uses em |
| 18:57.36 | sorphin | what's a gp32 ? |
| 18:57.54 | prpplague | ibot: gp32 is http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/04/03/1530224&mode=thread&tid=127 |
| 18:57.55 | | prpplague: okay |
| 18:58.27 | sorphin | prpplague: as for your Q |
| 18:58.43 | sorphin | you could prolly use a card like i have |
| 18:58.46 | sorphin | tis a pcmcia reader for it |
| 18:58.54 | sorphin | should pick it up as another ide device |
| 18:59.28 | sorphin | i can double check when i get home on the laptop |
| 18:59.40 | sorphin | i only use hte thing under windows, but i can check linux |
| 18:59.44 | prpplague | sorphin: ya, i have a pcmcia adapter that supports sony memory stick sd and sm, just didn't know if there were any media issues |
| 18:59.55 | sorphin | shouldn't be |
| 19:00.06 | sorphin | as long as the adapter presents whatever media as an ide device |
| 19:00.17 | sorphin | which is should if it's a good adapter |
| 19:00.20 | prpplague | sorphin: thats what i was thinking |
| 19:00.28 | sorphin | s/is/it/ |
| 19:01.20 | sorphin | ah |
| 19:01.25 | sorphin | GP = GamePark |
| 19:02.04 | sorphin | neat looking |
| 19:02.17 | prpplague | sorphin: ya i'm pretty impressed so far |
| 19:02.22 | sorphin | specs? |
| 19:02.35 | prpplague | sorphin: hmm, let me see if i can find them |
| 19:02.39 | prpplague | sorphin: its arm based |
| 19:02.53 | sorphin | prpplague: just as long as it's not xscale ;) |
| 19:03.10 | sorphin | intel's becoming good at releasing garbage |
| 19:03.35 | prpplague | agreed |
| 19:03.37 | sorphin | s/good/better/ |
| 19:04.09 | sorphin | Itanium, XScale, and then you go back in time |
| 19:04.16 | kergoth | bleh. |
| 19:04.30 | sorphin | kergoth: what now digiboy |
| 19:04.58 | kergoth | I cant slack off at work anymore |
| 19:05.02 | kergoth | the bastards |
| 19:05.12 | prpplague | sorphin: http://www.devrs.com/gp32/docs.php |
| 19:05.19 | prpplague | kergoth: what happened? |
| 19:05.36 | kergoth | they're posting individual call stats now |
| 19:05.38 | sorphin | prpplague: they caught him |
| 19:05.43 | kergoth | yeh |
| 19:05.47 | prpplague | kergoth: doh |
| 19:06.02 | sorphin | kergoth: maybe you should apply for that TI job ;) |
| 19:06.23 | prpplague | i still can't figure out why sharp hasn't hired you |
| 19:06.24 | kergoth | heh, i'm even more of a wannabe than dave here ;) |
| 19:06.38 | sorphin | prpplague: because htey're stupid |
| 19:06.39 | prpplague | kergoth: you've done more for the z than lineo ever did |
| 19:07.02 | sorphin | prpplague: sharp != smart, if they were they wouldn't have trashed who they did already |
| 19:07.07 | sorphin | too |
| 19:07.24 | sorphin | and they'd be less NDA about things like the Z |
| 19:07.26 | prpplague | sorphin: "trashed who they did alreay" ?? |
| 19:07.43 | sorphin | prpplague: uhh.. spencer's the only one left |
| 19:07.46 | sorphin | or so i've heard |
| 19:08.39 | file | prpplague: http://www.f-labs.com/gp32/wind-ups/ |
| 19:09.23 | sorphin | grrr |
| 19:09.26 | sorphin | i hate sites liek this |
| 19:09.31 | file | nifty - the wireless module was released |
| 19:09.32 | sorphin | Sorry, this information is restricted to registered users only. |
| 19:09.40 | sorphin | but yet fscking google can CRAWL it |
| 19:09.49 | sorphin | but even teh cached version does the same shit |
| 19:10.13 | sorphin | prpplague: ARM920T ? who makes that one? |
| 19:10.17 | prpplague | sorphin: sharp laid off the sharp dev team? |
| 19:10.21 | prpplague | sorphin: look at the bottom |
| 19:10.27 | sorphin | prpplague: pretty much |
| 19:10.52 | sorphin | heh, samsung |
| 19:10.53 | sorphin | not bad |
| 19:11.05 | prpplague | file: cute |
| 19:11.11 | prpplague | sorphin: wow |
| 19:11.27 | prpplague | sorphin: what was their reason behind that? |
| 19:11.30 | sorphin | kergoth: that's right innit? |
| 19:11.38 | kergoth | afaik yes. jason and ben are both gone |
| 19:11.43 | sorphin | DAMMIT |
| 19:11.45 | kergoth | and some others in that dept were laid off |
| 19:11.46 | sorphin | stupid phoenix |
| 19:11.49 | kergoth | spencer's basically running the show |
| 19:11.53 | kergoth | and he's just a marketing guy for gods sake |
| 19:12.04 | sorphin | kergoth: which explains why still no response back yet again |
| 19:12.13 | kergoth | yep |
| 19:12.15 | prpplague | thats my only concern about going to work for TI, i might be on the streets in 6 months |
| 19:12.46 | sorphin | prpplague: i'd talk to timmy about what he thinks about how stable it'll be |
| 19:13.14 | prpplague | sorphin: ya he said it was long term and stable, but who really knows? |
| 19:13.29 | sorphin | kergoth: tho i do still feel lucky that spencer didn't tell me to just send it in |
| 19:13.39 | kergoth | yeah, i was pleasantly surprised |
| 19:13.50 | sorphin | kergoth: prolly helped that you were the one that sent the initial request |
| 19:13.58 | sorphin | :) |
| 19:14.26 | sorphin | prpplague: true |
| 19:14.50 | kergoth | yeah, sharpis helpful when i ask for things |
| 19:15.01 | kergoth | probably because i'm saving the asses of their users who will be left out in the cold on upgrades shorlty |
| 19:15.06 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:15.10 | sorphin | kergoth:yup |
| 19:15.21 | sorphin | 2.38 is the last rom i've seen (or was it 2.37) |
| 19:15.40 | kergoth | there'll be one last rom, from what i can tell. |
| 19:16.08 | sorphin | nod |
| 19:16.09 | prpplague | kergoth: so is sharp gonna abandon the z series running linux? |
| 19:16.32 | sorphin | prpplague: they'd be stupid since they just released the c700 and the 5600 |
| 19:16.33 | kergoth | prpplague: dont know. rumor says they may bring a c700 style unit to the US |
| 19:16.39 | kergoth | prpplague: but i havent heard beyond that |
| 19:16.49 | sorphin | kergoth: just watch |
| 19:16.54 | sorphin | kergoth: the US unit |
| 19:16.55 | sorphin | CE |
| 19:17.00 | kergoth | hah |
| 19:17.20 | kergoth | I'd pester sharp into giving me the service manual, and OZ would be running on it w/ linux anyway |
| 19:17.40 | prpplague | kergoth: agreed |
| 19:17.40 | sorphin | kergoth: well..... |
| 19:17.57 | prpplague | kergoth: these big companies are just not seeing the light |
| 19:18.00 | sorphin | kergoth: unless they do more of like htey did w/ the 5500 and the SD card bit |
| 19:18.16 | kergoth | sorphin: then we'd .. do what we have to |
| 19:18.16 | sorphin | kergoth: it'll take longer |
| 19:18.19 | kergoth | yep |
| 19:18.33 | prpplague | kergoth: hell, if i could convince leapfrog or mattel to give me info on some of their products, they could be making 50x what they are now |
| 19:18.35 | sorphin | kergoth: speaking of which |
| 19:18.41 | sorphin | kergoth: what's the word on the wrapper? |
| 19:18.50 | kergoth | sorphin: sharp sent me a 2.4.18 binary only sd module. |
| 19:18.52 | kergoth | sorphin: :D |
| 19:18.55 | sorphin | wow |
| 19:19.03 | kergoth | killefiz pulled out hte muscle |
| 19:19.09 | kergoth | they wanted the DB from the zaurus software index |
| 19:19.16 | kergoth | he said he'd give it if we got a new module |
| 19:19.19 | kergoth | .. we have a new module |
| 19:19.24 | sorphin | kergoth: in english please? |
| 19:19.29 | kergoth | zsi |
| 19:19.32 | kergoth | killefiz.de/zaurus |
| 19:19.42 | kergoth | they wanted the database of the available zaurus software |
| 19:19.56 | kergoth | the guy who runs the site sai dthey could only have it if we got a >2.4.10 sd module |
| 19:20.09 | sorphin | ah |
| 19:20.19 | sorphin | shoulda asked for jflash too ;) |
| 19:20.20 | sorphin | hehe |
| 19:20.30 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:20.45 | sorphin | not to knock spencer or anything |
| 19:20.53 | sorphin | but even tho i told him where in the svc manual it is |
| 19:20.59 | sorphin | i dunno if that'll help him |
| 19:21.04 | kergoth | eh, uclibc.org down? |
| 19:21.17 | sorphin | if he really doesn't know where to look for it |
| 19:22.02 | sorphin | kergoth: looks that way |
| 19:22.05 | sorphin | timing out here |
| 19:22.14 | kergoth | k |
| 19:22.42 | sorphin | kergoth: so 3.3 will have 2.4.18 ? |
| 19:22.46 | sorphin | or 3.4 or whatever |
| 19:22.59 | kergoth | yep |
| 19:23.03 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: whats the news? |
| 19:23.06 | kergoth | 2.4.19-rmk7-cl1 actually |
| 19:23.26 | sorphin | kergoth: heh |
| 19:23.42 | sorphin | kergoth: i'm leary of any kernel above 2.4.18 now :P |
| 19:23.52 | kergoth | 2.4.20-ck4 works great for me |
| 19:24.01 | sorphin | ck4 ? |
| 19:24.21 | kergoth | con kolivas |
| 19:24.26 | kergoth | its keyed for responsiveness |
| 19:24.27 | sorphin | sounds like the 4 rev of ck4 cologne :P |
| 19:24.33 | sorphin | erm |
| 19:24.35 | sorphin | ck1 even |
| 19:24.35 | kergoth | patchset w/ preempt, low latency, etc |
| 19:24.39 | sorphin | ah |
| 19:24.49 | sorphin | kergoth: well.. 2.4.20 crashed on me |
| 19:24.53 | sorphin | like nothing you'd believe |
| 19:25.03 | sorphin | becuase of the ide code switch |
| 19:25.08 | kergoth | ah |
| 19:25.24 | sorphin | so i'm leary... i don't need another drive crash :P |
| 19:25.40 | kergoth | cant blame ya there |
| 19:26.03 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: any new info on BLOB and cramfs? |
| 19:26.28 | Russ | you mean grub? |
| 19:27.07 | sorphin | kergoth: fyi |
| 19:27.13 | sorphin | 14 d3-3-4.a02.chcgil01.us.ce.verio.net (157.238.79.90) 43.569 ms 43.178 ms 42.558 ms |
| 19:27.21 | sorphin | that's where i hang up on my way to uclibc.org |
| 19:27.39 | CosmicPenguin | oops yeah |
| 19:27.49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: houston, we have lift off! ups#1Z7495160343984946 |
| 19:28.13 | sorphin | that the Z? |
| 19:28.19 | prpplague | sorphin: ya |
| 19:28.21 | sorphin | cool |
| 19:29.12 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: awesome |
| 19:29.56 | sorphin | heh |
| 19:29.59 | sorphin | ups redesigned |
| 19:30.38 | sorphin | and bought mailboxes, etc, so no fedex shipping there *grin*.. glad there's a fedex world hq not far from me ;p |
| 19:43.34 | prpplague | kergoth: rhat9 builds the current epca driver and run, however the install.sh script is totally non usuable |
| 19:44.06 | kergoth | prpplague: what install.sh scirpt? |
| 19:44.29 | prpplague | kergoth: the one that the digi site recomends using |
| 19:44.53 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: any idea what those FIR pins are hooked into? |
| 19:45.23 | signal11 | uh, huh,uuhh </butthead> |
| 19:45.26 | signal11 | no |
| 19:45.31 | signal11 | "fast ir" |
| 19:45.34 | kergoth | prpplague: we dont recommend the use of any scripts. |
| 19:45.37 | signal11 | isn't that what it is? |
| 19:45.43 | signal11 | there is an interrupt you can set in the bios |
| 19:45.56 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: yeah - I was just trying to see what the IO port is |
| 19:45.58 | signal11 | perhaps it is progress beyond serial-based i/o |
| 19:46.08 | signal11 | i think that's in the bios |
| 19:46.23 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: no doubt. CIR would have to go through serial port 2 though |
| 19:46.39 | signal11 | i'm just going to use my trusty packard bell & lirc |
| 19:46.48 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: thats a good call |
| 19:46.55 | signal11 | if it ain't broke |
| 19:47.03 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: I need to get my hands on a good serial IR dongle |
| 19:47.32 | prpplague | kergoth: ahh, guess you don't use that anymore |
| 19:47.55 | prpplague | kergoth: the older drivers come with an install.sh |
| 19:48.12 | kergoth | prpplague: yep |
| 19:48.23 | kergoth | prpplague: we dont recommend it anymore becaues it doenst work :) |
| 19:48.30 | kergoth | prpplague: read the install guides in the knowledge base |
| 19:48.46 | prpplague | kergoth: ha, read instructions? why? lol |
| 19:49.00 | kergoth | bah |
| 19:49.01 | kergoth | slacker |
| 19:49.28 | prpplague | kergoth: our techs never could install digi correctly |
| 19:49.52 | kergoth | prpplague: half of my coworkers can barely install digi correctly |
| 19:50.12 | prpplague | kergoth: we have a whole menu system for our default configs, they choose, and it installs :) |
| 19:54.34 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: UPS doesn't know about that tracking number |
| 19:54.58 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya not until 5:00pm |
| 19:55.08 | CosmicPenguin | ahh - but I want to know now! |
| 20:03.02 | prpplague | kergoth: didn't their used to be a third file need to flash the z? |
| 20:03.58 | kergoth | it was never required, but was optional |
| 20:04.10 | kergoth | it controlled what runlevel the bootloader passed to the kernel in params |
| 20:04.17 | kergoth | but we control runlevel via inittab |
| 20:04.40 | prpplague | kergoth: ahh, ok |
| 20:04.48 | sorphin | prpplague: so how much was this via thing? |
| 20:04.52 | sorphin | prh: erm |
| 20:04.56 | sorphin | prpplague: ignore that |
| 20:05.06 | prpplague | sorphin: i ignore you all the time anyway |
| 20:05.06 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: so how much was that thing? |
| 20:06.30 | sorphin | prpplague: obviously |
| 20:13.35 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: 250 bucks out the door |
| 20:13.52 | sorphin | k |
| 20:18.59 | signal11 | that's just the mb and case; and they strongly recommend a 2.5" hard drive |
| 20:19.09 | CosmicPenguin | bah - thats why god invented CF |
| 20:19.17 | signal11 | though i was able to plug in a 3.5 and a 2.5 at the same time |
| 20:19.40 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: if you're using more than 32 MB anyawy, you've probably got issues |
| 20:20.16 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya ya, some ppl have a size issue |
| 20:21.02 | CosmicPenguin | This bad boy has 6 USB ports |
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| 20:23.27 | signal11 | heh where are you going to store your gigs of mp3's and movies? |
| 20:23.38 | signal11 | those vob files take a lotta space |
| 20:23.53 | CosmicPenguin | well, vobs are out anyway |
| 20:23.54 | CosmicPenguin | right? |
| 20:24.06 | CosmicPenguin | and the mp3s can easily be nfs mounted |
| 20:24.17 | CosmicPenguin | though a HD would be nice as a secondary drive |
| 20:24.49 | CosmicPenguin | mmm... firewire |
| 20:29.19 | CosmicPenguin | I wish i was more mechanically oriented |
| 20:36.58 | prpplague | signal11: usb hd |
| 20:37.10 | prpplague | signal11: that way you can move it around :) |
| 20:37.20 | sorphin | prpplague: umm |
| 20:37.29 | sorphin | prpplague: as kergoth and i can attest to |
| 20:37.35 | sorphin | usb storage under linux |
| 20:37.41 | sorphin | leaves a lot to be desired |
| 20:37.45 | prpplague | sorphin: is a little iffy |
| 20:37.49 | prpplague | sorphin: ya i know |
| 20:37.50 | sorphin | prpplague: um... |
| 20:37.55 | sorphin | prpplague: a *little* ? |
| 20:38.44 | sorphin | prpplague: need i remind you WHY i'm also sitting on 2.4.18 ? because my fs got fscked because of usb storage hanging up the machine enough times that ext3 got a corrupted journal ;p |
| 20:40.05 | prpplague | sorphin: i was unaware :) |
| 20:42.33 | sorphin | prpplague: 2.4.18 is a bit more tolerable |
| 20:42.53 | sorphin | anything higher, and the slightest thing you're doing and the usb thread would lock up |
| 20:43.06 | sorphin | .18 does it, but not as bad |
| 20:43.25 | sorphin | tho, it did cost me a damn dvd blank that i'm still trying to figure out how to finish the burn on :P |
| 20:43.29 | signal11 | i have a 20g 2.5" drive. i'll probably use it in the truck until i get freevo working nicely |
| 20:43.36 | sorphin | 3/4 of the way |
| 20:44.07 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: alrighty then - lets build an image |
| 20:44.14 | sorphin | ibot: freevo |
| 20:44.14 | | sorphin: are you using Windows? |
| 20:44.18 | sorphin | heh |
| 20:44.23 | sorphin | ibot: die |
| 20:44.24 | | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 20:44.27 | signal11 | heh |
| 20:44.32 | signal11 | ~lart ibot |
| 20:44.36 | signal11 | heh |
| 20:44.41 | sorphin | ROTFL |
| 20:45.08 | sorphin | ibot: freevo is http://freevo.sourceforge.net/ |
| 20:45.10 | | okay, sorphin |
| 20:45.40 | sorphin | ya know |
| 20:45.46 | sorphin | XBMP uses mplayer |
| 20:45.54 | sorphin | and it SUCKS for dvds |
| 20:50.16 | sorphin | playing dvds w/ mplayer was noisy and draggy, and stupid dvdx2 while being region free only uses the xbox's damn controller.. |
| 20:58.54 | prpplague | of course i'd never use an illegal application like dcss to watch dvds, lol |
| 21:01.42 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.cablesamerica.com/product.asp?cat%5Fid=6803&sku=27990 |
| 21:01.46 | CosmicPenguin | Is that a rip off? |
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| 21:25.46 | as | Anyone familliar with flash command sets awake? |
| 21:49.28 | CosmicPenguin | heh - nice of Sharp to give me a call |
| 21:58.55 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: ? |
| 21:59.27 | kergoth | ? |
| 22:01.21 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: At some point I made the fool move of actually giving them my phone number |
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| 22:32.33 | MonMotha | hum...what's a good manufacturer of static RAM? |
| 22:37.08 | as | What purpose? |
| 22:37.54 | MonMotha | small computer (looking for 8K x 8 or so, not very big at all) |
| 22:38.18 | as | Virtually anyone. |
| 22:38.46 | as | These are from samsung. |
| 22:38.52 | as | Severl Mbit. |
| 22:40.31 | MonMotha | any manuf. that happens to give samples? :) |
| 22:42.09 | as | I paid for mine, but 8k is likley to be trivial money. |
| 22:42.40 | MonMotha | $3.20 at digikey...actually more expensive than 32k |
| 22:42.50 | MonMotha | I guess I could use a 32k and only address part of it :) |
| 22:42.55 | as | Yup. |
| 22:43.59 | MonMotha | free is always good tho :) |
| 22:55.58 | MonMotha | heh, I have some Samsung SRAM that was apparently EOLed over 10 years ago...I asked for the data sheet on it and the guy was like "We threw the data on that out over 5 years ago" |
| 22:58.14 | as | What part number? |
| 23:08.12 | as | How much? |
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| 23:13.18 | MonMotha | yeah, they make some REALLY BIG SRAMs |
| 23:13.21 | MonMotha | and they're REALLY expensive |
| 23:14.25 | as | I'm just using some tiny 2MBit ones, DIL 32's. |
| 23:15.28 | Russ | as: about $100 |
| 23:15.50 | as | Yikes, I react like that when I see a fast high rez ADC. |
| 23:16.08 | as | 'Thats looks great... HOW MUCH?!?!?' |
| 23:16.35 | as | Have you done much in the way of flash command set stuff, rewriting etc Russ? |
| 23:16.43 | Russ | ya |
| 23:17.01 | Russ | I did the amd flash stuff for blob |
| 23:17.20 | as | Cool, I thought you involved there. |
| 23:18.02 | as | An ST flash chip is currently making my life hell on earth, I wondered if you had any 'gotchyas' that first timers fall into? |
| 23:18.32 | as | The data sheet doesnt quite match the firmware, but I cant get either method to work. |
| 23:18.51 | as | Ive tried a write, and Ive tried putting it into flashID mode. |
| 23:19.29 | Russ | you can't get the ID from it? |
| 23:19.37 | as | No. :/ |
| 23:19.47 | Russ | is it an x16 flash chip? |
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| 23:20.17 | as | Its 2 x16 chips together. |
| 23:20.30 | Russ | so you understand what that does to the addressing, right? |
| 23:20.43 | as | Pretty much yes. |
| 23:20.56 | Russ | k, because there is bit shifting going on |
| 23:21.11 | Russ | and different processory handle that on their memory bus differently |
| 23:21.35 | Russ | also, beware of data and address bus plaiting |
| 23:21.38 | as | The values used in the firmware are somewhat different to the ones in the datasheet though, theres nothing simple that could explain that. |
| 23:21.45 | as | Plaiting? |
| 23:22.07 | Russ | switching around data lines, address lines, etc when you route the board |
| 23:22.18 | Russ | doesn't matter for actual data written and read from the flash |
| 23:22.30 | Russ | but you have to undo the plaiting for commands |
| 23:22.34 | as | Ive checked that, its normal routing in the hardware. |
| 23:23.16 | Russ | is the address you are expecting 0x55, but its writing 0xaa? |
| 23:23.34 | as | One mo. |
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| 23:24.35 | as2 | Re. |
| 23:25.20 | as2 | ISP did the dirty while I was checking. |
| 23:25.53 | as2 | I'm expecting the first address used from the datasheet to be 555h with whatever shifting is needed. |
| 23:26.07 | as2 | The address actually used, is 5555h * 4. |
| 23:26.36 | as2 | The second address used, should be 2AA, with whatever shifting... |
| 23:26.48 | as2 | And whats actually used is 2AAA * 4. |
| 23:26.56 | as2 | (from the base of the flash in memory). |
| 23:27.05 | Russ | sounds pretty common |
| 23:27.18 | as2 | I dont understand where the extra digit comes from. |
| 23:27.18 | Russ | 555h isn't an actual address in an x16 flash if you think about it |
| 23:27.24 | Russ | the really mean aaah |
| 23:27.42 | Russ | so there is your first *2 |
| 23:27.48 | Russ | s/the/they/ |
| 23:28.22 | as2 | I follow that much. But 5555 versus 555, theres more bits set. :/ |
| 23:28.26 | Russ | the 555 address pertains to a 16 bit word, not a 8 bit word |
| 23:28.57 | as2 | Yes it does, which is why it also botheres me that the 5555 is shifted by x4, and not as Id have expected, by x2. |
| 23:29.09 | as2 | When the box uses this code though, it works. |
| 23:29.21 | as2 | When I try this code, nothing whatsoever happens. |
| 23:30.15 | Russ | ok, anyway, aaa, then shift two and its 1554 |
| 23:30.17 | as2 | IVe also tried calling the flash routine, from my own routine, and still nothing happens (attempted write). |
| 23:30.33 | Russ | 5555 isn't an x32 address |
| 23:30.50 | as2 | Yes, except the value used is 15554, which also make no sense. |
| 23:31.15 | as2 | Yes the datsheet claims to be correct for this flash part. |
| 23:31.19 | as2 | Yet. |
| 23:31.34 | as2 | But is there any reason running the right code could fail to work? |
| 23:31.38 | Russ | 0x1554 is what I expect |
| 23:32.10 | as2 | 0x15554 is what is used. |
| 23:33.05 | Russ | its an offset of 0x14000 |
| 23:33.10 | Russ | how big is the flash? |
| 23:33.37 | as2 | 200000h/2M |
| 23:34.41 | as2 | For this bank, anyway. |
| 23:34.44 | Russ | I used two addresses 0x555 << 2 and 0x2aa << 2 |
| 23:35.20 | as2 | ITs very similar stuff at any rate, when you tried it, did it work first time? |
| 23:35.36 | Russ | have you tried 0x1554 and 0xaa8? |
| 23:36.12 | Russ | (this is on sa1100 btw) |
| 23:36.18 | as2 | Ive tried the numbers used in the firmare twice with different code methods. |
| 23:36.20 | Russ | different processors handle this differently |
| 23:36.35 | Russ | in the sa1100 case A1 and A0 aren't hooked up |
| 23:36.37 | Russ | (iirc) |
| 23:36.47 | Russ | whereas in the processor I'm worknig with now,they would be |
| 23:37.23 | as2 | Its a much saner method with RISC chips. |
| 23:37.30 | as2 | LEt me check the schematic and make sure. |
| 23:37.33 | Russ | both chips are arm |
| 23:37.45 | Russ | one just has a memory controller that does bit shifting on addresses |
| 23:38.06 | Russ | hmm...actually the end result in software is the same |
| 23:38.18 | Russ | are you using memory barriers? |
| 23:38.20 | as2 | Oh. All the older ARM chips I'm used to ignored lower two bits on the chip itself. |
| 23:38.46 | as2 | I'm not sure what a barrier is, but these are directly wired to the bus. |
| 23:39.01 | Russ | is this stuff coded in C? |
| 23:39.19 | as2 | Address lines 1 and 0 arnt connected to the flash, as expected. |
| 23:39.37 | as2 | Its in a godawful dilect of assembler I'm afraid, but I can read it. |
| 23:40.10 | Russ | are any caches or read/write buffers enabled? |
| 23:40.49 | Russ | because if its merging writes, that isn't helpfull |
| 23:40.53 | as2 | Cache should be dead, but I'm using peripheral writes now that dont work through any cache. |
| 23:41.21 | as2 | The code in the firmware works the same way. |
| 23:41.46 | Russ | basically, my flash, I: |
| 23:41.52 | Russ | FLASH_ADDR1 = data_to_flash(UNLOCK1);- |
| 23:41.52 | as2 | If 1554 and aa8, were right on the 16x2 ARM system I'm sure the shifting is right on this. |
| 23:41.57 | Russ | FLASH_ADDR2 = data_to_flash(UNLOCK2); |
| 23:42.05 | Russ | FLASH_ADDR1 = data_to_flash(<command>); |
| 23:42.53 | Russ | and then a read if its something like that |
| 23:42.56 | as2 | Hmm, do you have to have a read after one of the commands? |
| 23:43.01 | Russ | don't forget to be in read array mode first |
| 23:43.10 | Russ | a read? where? |
| 23:43.11 | as2 | Read array mode? |
| 23:43.19 | Russ | FLASH_ADDR1 = data_to_flash(READ_ARRAY); |
| 23:43.28 | Russ | #define READ_ARRAY 0x00F000F0 |
| 23:43.37 | Russ | #define FLASH_ADDR1 (0x00000555 << 2) |
| 23:43.55 | as2 | IS read array mode the normal put in address read data the system uses all the time? |
| 23:44.00 | Russ | yes |
| 23:44.15 | as2 | Then I'm in it becuase I can read the flash data. |
| 23:44.50 | Russ | are you running from flash? |
| 23:45.04 | as2 | I'm running my code from SRAM. |
| 23:45.14 | as2 | The code is running, but the attempt fails. |
| 23:45.30 | as2 | Hmm. |
| 23:45.30 | Russ | are you sure thare are no flash accesses |
| 23:45.37 | Russ | like you accidently left your static data in flash |
| 23:45.39 | as2 | Looks like almost identical command sets. |
| 23:45.50 | Russ | ya, they are |
| 23:46.18 | as2 | 00900090 is the command for manufacturer ID/flash ID. |
| 23:46.47 | as2 | But its not working. Hmmf, more worryingly, a generic program is also failing to read the flash ID. |
| 23:47.05 | Russ | I would think there are some interleazed flash reads |
| 23:47.41 | as2 | The flash is in an isolated bank. |
| 23:47.45 | as2 | Hmm. |
| 23:47.51 | Russ | I know |
| 23:48.07 | Russ | but if your assembler is producking code that ends up reading from an address in flash |
| 23:48.21 | Russ | for static data or sometihng (like 0x00900090) |
| 23:49.04 | as2 | I'm hand assembling it. |
| 23:49.20 | Russ | ew |
| 23:49.33 | Russ | what chip is it anyway? |
| 23:49.43 | as2 | ST20TP3. |
| 23:49.51 | Russ | <I mean the arm |
| 23:50.12 | as2 | This system isnt an ARM system. Ive worked on them before. |
| 23:50.25 | Russ | oh |
| 23:50.41 | Russ | is it x86? |
| 23:50.43 | Russ | ppc? |
| 23:51.05 | sorphin | as2: if it's standard type flash, like atmel/sst type |
| 23:51.08 | sorphin | i know how to work w/ it |
| 23:51.11 | as2 | You may feel it necassary to recoil in horror. |
| 23:51.13 | sorphin | intel crap, no |
| 23:51.17 | sorphin | amd, sorta |
| 23:51.25 | as2 | The ST20TP3 cpu is a transputer with bells on. |
| 23:51.52 | as2 | sorphin, Have you seen anything that uses an extra digit from normal command sets? |
| 23:51.57 | Russ | transputer? |
| 23:52.30 | as2 | Mid 90's INMOS, its 'RISC' but the instructions are 8bit, registers are 3x32bit aranged as a stack. |
| 23:52.38 | sorphin | as2: no, normally it's like russ was showing, 5555h AAAAh or such |
| 23:53.09 | as2 | 5555 was what I meant. The datasheet says 555, what is used is 5555 shifted. |
| 23:54.15 | sorphin | as2: ok |
| 23:54.18 | sorphin | here's an example |
| 23:54.20 | as2 | Unless IVe screwed up several times in a row from scratch, I'm doing exactly what the firmware is doing, but its not working. |
| 23:54.22 | sorphin | to read the chip ID |
| 23:54.24 | as2 | Ok. |
| 23:54.32 | sorphin | from most sst and atmel chips |
| 23:54.36 | sorphin | write: |
| 23:54.37 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:54.37 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:54.37 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:54.57 | Russ | that would be for a x8 |
| 23:55.10 | sorphin | fyi ChipBase is a memory map of the flash |
| 23:55.24 | as2 | I thought that might be the case. |
| 23:55.41 | as2 | Thats exactly whats happening here, is there any reason it would fail if done properly? |
| 23:55.47 | sorphin | yeah, these are 128K flash |
| 23:55.58 | as2 | Same here. |
| 23:55.59 | sorphin | as2: umm.. |
| 23:56.09 | sorphin | where's the datasheet on your chip |
| 23:56.11 | Russ | bad datasheet? |
| 23:56.11 | as2 | Maybe 'properly' is wrong, haha. |
| 23:56.27 | as2 | The datasheet is slightly untrustworthy. |
| 23:56.49 | as2 | I got it from the st.com site, the chips are, M29W800AT. |
| 23:56.55 | sorphin | k |
| 23:56.57 | sorphin | hold |
| 23:57.09 | as2 | But I have found the flash code in the firmware, so I have a good idea whats being done that is working. |
| 23:58.02 | sorphin | as2: you using 8 or 16 bit mode? |
| 23:58.05 | as2 | As far as I can tell, I'm doing everything it is, but when I try the ID read, I'm getting flash contents. |
| 23:58.19 | as2 | Both chips are in 16bit mode. |
| 23:58.22 | sorphin | k |
| 23:58.47 | sorphin | and you've seen this file? |
| 23:58.48 | sorphin | http://us.st.com/stonline/products/support/memory/drivers/c1169_16.c |
| 23:58.52 | Russ | ah-ha |
| 23:58.54 | as2 | Yes. |
| 23:59.05 | Russ | are you *absolutely positive* its a M29W800AT? |
| 23:59.10 | Russ | and not a M29W800T? |
| 23:59.36 | as2 | AT I'm sure, its legible on the chips. |
| 23:59.41 | Russ | http://us.st.com/stonline/books/pdf/docs/6670.pdf < datasheet for M29W800T) |
| 23:59.56 | sorphin | as2: that link i just pasted is how ot do things to those chips in 16bit mode.. |