| 00:00.03 | TomW | YEAH! |
| 00:00.16 | TomW | Solution: don't get married! |
| 00:00.43 | chouimat | TomW: hey I ditched her 3 years ago ... go me divorce 2 years ago ... |
| 00:00.47 | chouimat | s/go/got |
| 00:00.51 | TomW | seems that everything is downhill from "I do". |
| 00:01.05 | TomW | I do, and she won't. |
| 00:02.46 | chouimat | TomW: I need to find that paper but a friend (who is doing is phd in philosophy) did the proof that wedding == prostitution |
| 00:03.05 | file | women are the root of all evil! |
| 00:03.27 | TomW | file: no, women are interesting creatures. |
| 00:03.37 | chouimat | file: yup and it's the reason why this friend is gay :) |
| 00:03.43 | file | lol |
| 00:03.50 | TomW | file: I don't know what creature they are, but they are certainly interesting. |
| 00:03.57 | chouimat | TomW: yup |
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| 00:05.31 | chouimat | grrrr |
| 00:06.13 | sorphin | TimRiker: ok <stupid mode> ok, so i have the jtag code here, but because the power, etc is controlled by sw on the Z, and the sw is gone, how the heck am i gonna turn it on so i can jtag it, unless when you apply power, it's always in some sort of standby </stupid> |
| 00:07.31 | chouimat | file: ever got to a "bar de danseuses" with gays? |
| 00:07.47 | sorphin | file: he's too young :P |
| 00:07.59 | sorphin | ;) |
| 00:08.08 | file | yes, I wouldn't be allowed in |
| 00:08.11 | sorphin | chouimat: they wouldn't let file in, he's too young |
| 00:08.34 | chouimat | file: that something to do once ... |
| 00:08.47 | chouimat | man I laughed that day ... |
| 00:09.06 | file | lol what happened |
| 00:10.12 | TimRiker | sorphin: when you apply power to the jtag, the cpu stops what it's doing and talks to you. |
| 00:10.38 | sorphin | TimRiker: right |
| 00:10.39 | chouimat | we were about 10 guys ( my friend in philo with 3 of his gay friend) and they tried to get the chicks for a night ... |
| 00:10.48 | sorphin | TimRiker: what was getting at tho |
| 00:10.54 | file | chouimat: lol |
| 00:10.56 | sorphin | TimRiker: if the Z was mostly/totally sw controlled |
| 00:10.59 | TimRiker | then you need to get the cpu to line by line execute the commands to wake up the dsp and enable flash writes, and then put the flash in write mode, and then write the new data. |
| 00:11.09 | chouimat | file: they even succeded :) |
| 00:11.15 | TomW | chouimat: Air Mail Parcel Post (4..10 days) == $44.25, Economy Parcel Post (4..6 weeks) == $28.25. All in USD$ |
| 00:11.19 | sorphin | TimRiker: if i apply power to the Z right now |
| 00:11.29 | sorphin | even tho there's no lights/anything in flash, etc |
| 00:11.37 | file | TomW: dear god those prices are scary |
| 00:11.47 | sorphin | the cpu's still 'awake'/the Z still "powers up" you just don't know it ? |
| 00:11.57 | TomW | chouimat: USD $70 + shipping |
| 00:12.07 | file | TomW: what's that for now? |
| 00:12.15 | TimRiker | "power up" means the cpu has power and tries to execute what's at 0x0, then yes. |
| 00:12.36 | TomW | file: for chouimat's DTC5000 |
| 00:12.41 | sorphin | so basically the Z is always on if it has power hooked up |
| 00:12.45 | TimRiker | the LoCoMo chip is dead, and you will need to step the cpu to do the "right things" to wake it up. |
| 00:12.45 | file | TomW: oh ic |
| 00:12.49 | sorphin | just not always 'active' |
| 00:13.21 | sorphin | TimRiker: now we're going over my head ;) |
| 00:13.36 | chouimat | TomW: did you get the other address? |
| 00:13.51 | TimRiker | what happens normally is that the cpu wakes up and then goes into suspend mode until the button press interrupt occurs. you are likely not even getting that far. |
| 00:13.58 | file | chouimat: how are you going to afford this?!?!? |
| 00:14.43 | chouimat | file: I have enough money in my bank account ... just need to know how much taxes I need to pay first |
| 00:14.58 | TimRiker | but with jtag and without the flash or LoCoMo code you should be able to read what's in the flash. |
| 00:15.00 | file | chouimat: oh ic |
| 00:15.18 | TimRiker | that's why you should start with a working machine. |
| 00:15.31 | sorphin | hrm |
| 00:15.33 | sorphin | that'll be a prob |
| 00:15.38 | sorphin | since i only have 1 Z |
| 00:15.48 | TimRiker | If you don't have one that works, then send your's to Sharp and have them fix it. I'll take you forever to get it working otherwise. |
| 00:15.59 | TimRiker | er it'll |
| 00:16.04 | sorphin | heh |
| 00:16.37 | sorphin | TimRiker: unless a) i can get someone to cough up that windows jflash (i don't care if it's windows atm) |
| 00:17.13 | sorphin | TimRiker: i give up and buy another Z, since i doubt sharp will cover this under warranty, and at the current cost of new 5500's, repair will prolly cost the same |
| 00:17.56 | TimRiker | I don't think JasonNJ or any of the us sharp folks have it setup. at least not as far as I know. |
| 00:18.16 | sorphin | nod |
| 00:18.19 | TimRiker | you need to find someone that works at an authorized sharp repair center. ;-) |
| 00:18.28 | sorphin | yeah |
| 00:18.36 | sorphin | find one in MO ;) |
| 00:18.50 | TimRiker | again... good luck. |
| 00:19.25 | sorphin | thanks.. somethin tells me i'm gonna need it.. still no word from spencer, and chris says he's prolly swamped now |
| 00:19.42 | sorphin | TimRiker: what you were getting into is just way over my head on this kinda platform |
| 00:20.19 | sorphin | the closest i've come to 'talking' to the cpu is doing asm |
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| 00:26.26 | chouimat | ibot change 99 usd to cad |
| 00:27.17 | sorphin | heh |
| 00:27.28 | chouimat | ibot change 23.95 usd to cad |
| 00:27.48 | chouimat | file: I paid 39CAD for the webpal |
| 00:27.55 | sorphin | ibot: change 15 cad to usd |
| 00:28.12 | sorphin | i need to ditch this CAD i have :P |
| 00:28.24 | file | chouimat: with shipping? |
| 00:28.53 | chouimat | yup |
| 00:28.59 | file | nifty |
| 00:31.19 | TomW | TimRiker: what is the LoCoMo chip? |
| 00:31.52 | chouimat | TomW: the last price you gave me is for St-jean or Quebec, via ups? |
| 00:31.53 | TimRiker | programable chip on the zaurus. PLC? |
| 00:33.17 | chouimat | ibot change 96.45 usd to cad |
| 00:35.41 | chouimat | ibot change 96.475 usd to cad |
| 00:37.33 | chouimat | file: because UPS cost less than USPS |
| 00:37.47 | file | chouimat: have you factored in possible brokerage charges? |
| 00:38.24 | chouimat | file: nah tomw just gave me the shiping cost |
| 00:38.35 | TomW | TimRiker: AH! it is a CPLD that is RAM based and needs it's code / fuse list downloaded by the Z's prom code (boot code) before it will work. |
| 00:38.38 | file | chouimat: those will kill you. |
| 00:39.10 | TomW | chouimat: I am sending it to you marked as a "gift", does that sound ok? |
| 00:39.28 | TomW | Or, should I "loan" it to you? |
| 00:39.35 | chouimat | TomW: loan? |
| 00:39.40 | sorphin | do gift |
| 00:40.28 | file | TomW: gift covers a maximum of $60 CAD |
| 00:40.38 | TomW | We got burned on a shipment to Belgium one time because the guy had sent his controller back under warranty repair, they nailed him a second time for Custom. |
| 00:40.47 | file | ie: if after conversion, it's $70 - he pays tax and brokerage charges on $10 |
| 00:41.01 | chouimat | TomW: wait I\m searching my zaurus custom paper |
| 00:41.05 | TimRiker | TomW: I think the LoCoMo chip has code in it already. might need the ram setup though. |
| 00:41.29 | TomW | if they take a look at the thing, they'll know that 30lbs of electronics is more than a "gift". ;) |
| 00:41.48 | file | TomW: they don't :) |
| 00:42.03 | file | TomW: my laptop was marked down for $30 USD, in a big box, and they didn't care |
| 00:42.28 | TomW | TimRiker: Dani Haensse using a Xylinx / Altera part on his Dragonix that is stupid until the processor primes it with it's data. |
| 00:42.33 | chouimat | TomW: my zaurus was a 15.00 pda sample for my own use |
| 00:42.57 | TimRiker | TomW: ugh. |
| 00:43.04 | TomW | chouimat: yeah, well, it also weighted far less than 30 pounds! |
| 00:43.25 | chouimat | - not for resale - smalll electronic |
| 00:43.34 | chouimat | TomW: got it via fdex |
| 00:44.13 | TomW | TimRiker: that would explain it, the Z is largely stupid (cannot reach some of its' hardware) until the PGA (a.k.a PAL) chip is filled with data. |
| 00:44.30 | TomW | TimRiker: assumption anyway. |
| 00:44.48 | TomW | TimRiker: without looking up the chip number in the data sheets. |
| 00:44.57 | TomW | sorphin: send it back to Sharp. |
| 00:44.58 | chouimat | TomW: or as for my webpal they wrote: hardware. value: 0$ postage: 24.95$ |
| 00:45.01 | kergoth`bbl | heh, i doubt you'll find that chip in the data sheets. |
| 00:45.33 | TomW | chouimat: "Electronics Salvage", value $0. |
| 00:46.03 | chouimat | TomW: hehe |
| 00:46.31 | TomW | chouimat: now, why is it that the stuff that I buy from Canada, I don't pay Custom? |
| 00:47.07 | file | TomW: you do, just it requires a higher amount |
| 00:47.09 | chouimat | TomW: don't know. the only thing I know is I'm in the most taxed place in Canada |
| 00:47.18 | TomW | chouimat: OOH! I don't pay Custom, and you probably don't either, YOU pay a Consumption TAX |
| 00:47.41 | TomW | chouimat: an Excise Tax |
| 00:48.13 | chouimat | file: I pay 15.5% |
| 00:48.15 | TomW | chouimat: a.k.a Excess (Indulgance) Tax |
| 00:48.23 | TomW | :D |
| 00:48.29 | TomW | Canada sux |
| 00:48.37 | TomW | tax wise |
| 00:49.01 | chouimat | TomW: Quebec sux: 53% income taxes ... canadian average 43% |
| 00:49.11 | TomW | ow, ow ow ow! |
| 00:49.40 | chouimat | yup ... back in 15 minutes I'm out of beers |
| 00:50.06 | TomW | Well, we seem to pay about the same here, only they get you little by little: Sales Tax, Income Tax, Excise Tax, Luxury Tax ... |
| 00:50.39 | TimRiker | TomW: could be. I don't have access to the bootloader sources. It might contain PGA code. |
| 00:50.47 | chouimat | TomW: add 500CAD/year for pills insurance ... mandatory in Quebec |
| 00:50.48 | TimRiker | must head home. |
| 00:51.10 | TomW | TimRiker: that is "added value" |
| 00:51.20 | TimRiker | heh |
| 00:51.46 | TomW | squeeze the Penguin and make him cry... |
| 00:52.41 | chouimat | bbib |
| 01:09.55 | chouimat | hmmmm that 18 years old chick talk to me a little too much |
| 01:10.22 | sorphin | ? |
| 01:10.37 | chouimat | sorphin: long story |
| 01:13.40 | chouimat | arrrrrrrrgggggggggggggggggg I got everything I wanted to buy except beers ... well I will get out after I ate |
| 01:16.18 | TomW | chouimat: so, don't drink today. |
| 01:16.44 | chouimat | TomW: the grocery is open till 11h00 pm |
| 01:18.52 | TomW | now, if prpplague was on right now, he would be shouting "Heresy!" and demanding I don't say that.. ;) |
| 01:19.13 | kergoth`bbl | ARGH |
| 01:19.29 | kergoth`bbl | ipkg is a horrible worthless piece of shit |
| 01:19.44 | chouimat | TomW: haha ... |
| 01:20.13 | kergoth`bbl | ~lart ipkg |
| 01:23.39 | chouimat | kergoth`bbl: write a new one |
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| 01:49.07 | chouimat | hey file |
| 01:49.15 | file | hiya |
| 01:49.40 | file | what's up? |
| 01:49.43 | chouimat | file: proxy problems? |
| 01:50.08 | file | chouimat: nah, ISP reset my connection - and I think disconnected my line momentarily |
| 01:50.15 | chouimat | file: just learned I will be up all night again ... will need DRINK |
| 01:50.38 | file | they've been messing with their authentication server for the last week... screwing it up |
| 01:50.43 | file | oh? why up all night? |
| 01:51.37 | chouimat | file: an asshole just screwed up his server ... I have the box near me ... he want that for 8h00am tomorrow :( |
| 01:51.59 | file | chouimat: idiot |
| 01:52.14 | chouimat | file: as usual :) |
| 01:52.43 | chouimat | file: I will pay a lot of thing with him ... |
| 01:53.38 | file | :) |
| 01:54.18 | chouimat | file: and he always pay so .... it's the 15th in 2 months I repair his boxes |
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| 01:55.11 | chouimat | hey scanline |
| 01:55.22 | scanline | hi chouimat |
| 01:56.24 | chouimat | ok bbl I need that monitor |
| 02:00.51 | MonMotha | wow, pcb has issues |
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| 08:35.52 | jex | hi |
| 08:36.16 | jex | i need help with an arm, please help me... |
| 08:37.15 | jex | anyone can help meeee |
| 08:40.09 | jex | fuck u all |
| 08:51.57 | scanline | what an idiot... |
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| 11:46.13 | prh_ | scanline: makes you glad you weren't idle and didn't help him |
| 11:46.34 | prh_ | s/werent/were/ |
| 11:46.44 | scanline | heh, yeah.. |
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| 11:50.12 | scanline | hey prpplague |
| 11:53.37 | prpplague | scanline: morning |
| 12:11.52 | prpplague | guess everyone is still sleeping this morning |
| 12:12.09 | scanline | maybe |
| 12:14.02 | prpplague | scanline: ? |
| 12:14.10 | prpplague | scanline: you graduating? |
| 12:14.14 | scanline | no |
| 12:14.23 | scanline | but I could use a way to pay the bills next semester |
| 12:14.24 | prpplague | scanline: or just need something for quick $$? |
| 12:14.50 | scanline | but I wouldn't mind a full time job if I could find one |
| 12:15.01 | scanline | s/but/and/ |
| 12:15.20 | prpplague | scanline: you could come work for abcs for the summer, but i wouldn't wise that on my worst enemy,lol |
| 12:15.27 | prpplague | s/wise/wish |
| 12:15.31 | scanline | haha |
| 12:15.36 | scanline | what would be so bad about it? |
| 12:16.02 | prpplague | terrible hours, low pay, out in the middle of nowhere |
| 12:16.16 | scanline | ah.. I couldn't move yet anyway |
| 12:16.56 | scanline | signed a lease for an apartment I'll be moving into in August, with many friends :) |
| 12:17.11 | scanline | would have to find something closeby, or that I can do over the internet |
| 12:19.06 | prpplague | scanline: pr0n server |
| 12:19.13 | scanline | ha |
| 12:19.51 | prpplague | scanline: find some of those college gals and open up a foot fetish web site, just pics of feet! |
| 12:20.10 | scanline | sounds.. ineffective |
| 12:20.40 | prpplague | scanline: lol, this husband/wife couple on cnbc are millionars for pictures of her feet |
| 12:20.50 | prpplague | scanline: 39.99 for 30 day access |
| 12:21.02 | scanline | ha! |
| 12:21.44 | prpplague | scanline: they've actually started taking requests for what color to paint her toe-nails |
| 12:21.56 | scanline | that's pretty scary |
| 12:22.01 | prpplague | scanline: (extra $20), lol |
| 12:22.10 | prpplague | scanline: ya |
| 12:48.12 | sorphin | heh |
| 12:48.22 | sorphin | prpplague: shouldn't you be off drinking? |
| 12:48.39 | scanline | ha, that's cute... screenshot of some stuff I wrote in their marketing goop |
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| 12:51.15 | sorphin | i'm so sick of scrolling back and seeing that loser coming in here, asking the same crap, and running off in a pout.. and this time, sayin f you all to everyone in here becase we're not on his damn timezone |
| 12:51.19 | sorphin | there's no need for him to be in here |
| 12:51.29 | sorphin | ever, in my opinion |
| 12:52.39 | sorphin | scanline: finish school :P |
| 12:52.48 | scanline | heh |
| 12:52.55 | scanline | I at least need to be able to pay rent... |
| 12:53.27 | sorphin | nod |
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| 12:55.34 | prpplague | sorphin: who? |
| 12:56.37 | sorphin | prpplague: instant replay |
| 12:56.44 | sorphin | -:- jex [~christian@host111-111.pool80105.interbusiness.it] has joined #elinux |
| 12:56.44 | sorphin | <jex> hi |
| 12:56.44 | sorphin | <jex> i need help with an arm, please help me... |
| 12:56.44 | sorphin | <jex> anyone can help meeee |
| 12:56.44 | sorphin | <jex> fuck u all |
| 12:56.45 | sorphin | -:- SignOff jex: #elinux (Remote closed the connection) |
| 12:57.09 | sorphin | he joins every couple days or such, asks the same crap, and stomps off when no one answers |
| 12:57.28 | prpplague | sorphin: ahh, ya, iirc he's the one that posts all those RTFM type questions on lak |
| 12:57.31 | sorphin | before arm he was the one in here asking w/ his buddy about some lame ppc platform that one on uses |
| 12:57.47 | sorphin | nod |
| 12:58.24 | sorphin | prpplague: well, in my opinion, based on what i think tim wouldn't want going on in this channel |
| 12:58.28 | prpplague | sorphin: btw, ya i wish i was off drinking |
| 12:58.34 | sorphin | i don't think 'christian' should be in here again |
| 12:58.52 | sorphin | yeah, heh, i just got up to get ready for work :P |
| 12:58.57 | sorphin | wishing i was still sleeping |
| 12:59.06 | prpplague | sorphin: been working for 3 hours :( |
| 12:59.23 | prpplague | gonna be a _long_ day |
| 12:59.52 | prpplague | atleast by tomorrow there will be one less xSCO bo |
| 13:00.02 | prpplague | SCO box |
| 13:12.29 | sorphin | nod |
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| 13:21.03 | sorphin | prpplague: my sympathy for even having to be in the same country as said box |
| 13:22.00 | prpplague | sorphin: lol |
| 13:22.16 | prpplague | sorphin: ya well, there are still _alot_ of SCO boxes in the US |
| 13:22.41 | prpplague | sorphin: we dropped a customer last week because they wouldn't switch to linux |
| 13:23.15 | prpplague | sorphin: the idiot is paying for a Openserver 5.07 release and something like $1000 a month in support fees to SCO |
| 13:25.46 | sorphin | heh |
| 13:25.53 | sorphin | prpplague: prolly related to jexx ;) |
| 13:29.50 | GPSFan | morning sorphin, prpplague. |
| 13:32.13 | prpplague | GPSFan: hey |
| 13:40.01 | GPSFan | prpplague: well at least you are in a nice environment today (except for the smell of SCO) ;>) |
| 13:40.31 | prpplague | GPSFan: not really, i'm in a back office with muzac blaring in my ear, and no window |
| 13:41.16 | GPSFan | ;>( |
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| 14:18.19 | sieve | morning all |
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| 14:27.54 | prpplague | sieve: yo ho |
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| 14:53.41 | signal11_ | is there a small inexpensive unit that will make a decent X server? I looked at an openbrick but it's a little pricey |
| 14:57.03 | prpplague | signal11_: x server or client? |
| 14:57.43 | sorphin | ROTFL |
| 14:57.44 | sorphin | "A key code for installing Microsoft's Windows Server 2003 has leaked onto the Internet. Rampant piracy sure to follow fears Microsoft, so it's a safe assumption that their lawyers "would scour the Internet looking for the leaked code". The joy of closed source security at work." |
| 14:57.56 | sorphin | who gives a damn about "server 2k3" |
| 14:58.53 | signal11_ | prpplague: X server |
| 14:59.16 | prpplague | signal11_: for something like thinclients to connect to? |
| 14:59.16 | signal11_ | i have an lcd panel and i want to get rid of this bulky old P233 clone I'm using |
| 14:59.31 | signal11_ | X server == thin client |
| 14:59.42 | signal11_ | server & client are kind of backwards in the X world |
| 14:59.52 | prpplague | signal11_: ok just checking, its always backwards imho |
| 14:59.56 | signal11_ | heh |
| 14:59.59 | prpplague | signal11_: try the maxpeed 3300 |
| 15:00.33 | signal11_ | cool, where is the best place to find some information on it? |
| 15:00.44 | prpplague | signal11_: hmmm maxspeed.com ? |
| 15:01.02 | prpplague | signal11_: lol |
| 15:01.11 | signal11_ | oh ok, there wasn't an s in your earlier message & google couldn't find it |
| 15:01.43 | sorphin | signal11_: that happens when prpplague hasn't had any beer yet |
| 15:01.44 | prpplague | signal11_: doh, my bad |
| 15:02.41 | prpplague | signal11_: http://www.maxspeed.com/products/products.aspx?ID=83 |
| 15:03.07 | signal11_ | ouch, even more than an openbrick |
| 15:03.14 | signal11_ | looks like a nice unit though |
| 15:03.20 | prpplague | signal11_: ? should be around $300 |
| 15:03.55 | signal11_ | their site said $579 |
| 15:04.09 | signal11_ | i'll keep searching.... |
| 15:04.23 | prpplague | signal11_: thats probably full retail |
| 15:04.28 | prpplague | signal11_: just need one? |
| 15:04.58 | kergoth | morning guys |
| 15:05.22 | signal11_ | norning |
| 15:05.36 | kergoth | ibot: tuesday |
| 15:05.36 | | Tuesday sucks, because it follows Monday (see monday) |
| 15:06.07 | prpplague | signal11_: if you just need one, i could send you a permanent "eval" unit |
| 15:06.28 | kergoth | hey dan, dave |
| 15:07.17 | sorphin | kergoth: lo chris |
| 15:07.21 | signal11_ | prpplague: seriously? i would really enjoy that. |
| 15:07.45 | sorphin | signal11_: as long as you don't live in canada |
| 15:07.52 | sorphin | signal11_: and your irc nick isn't file ;) |
| 15:08.02 | sorphin | prpplague: right? ;) |
| 15:08.03 | prpplague | signal11_: ya no .ca please :) |
| 15:08.09 | signal11_ | utah |
| 15:08.19 | sorphin | signal11_: that was a joke :P |
| 15:08.27 | prpplague | i've got a ton of stuff i've got to ship when i get back |
| 15:08.37 | sorphin | prpplague: yup |
| 15:08.43 | signal11_ | heh ok is that a reference to something that happened earlier? |
| 15:08.48 | sorphin | signal11_: yes |
| 15:09.06 | sorphin | signal11_: prpplague for some unknown reason, other than temporary insanity |
| 15:09.21 | sorphin | sent a TCSX-11 or whatever |
| 15:09.25 | sorphin | to file, in canada |
| 15:09.31 | sorphin | customs comfiscated it |
| 15:09.32 | kergoth | hm, this new linkin park cd is good stuff |
| 15:09.49 | sorphin | and it's prolly been destroyed by now |
| 15:10.22 | sorphin | signal11_: all because it didn't have a canadian "fcc" type sticker :P |
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| 15:21.01 | sorphin | uh oh |
| 15:21.07 | sorphin | the plague is multiplying |
| 15:21.08 | prpplague^2 | freakin bahamian internet |
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| 15:44.31 | TomW | good morning all |
| 15:44.57 | TomW | I purchased a used Ipaq 3135, just to mess with it. |
| 15:46.01 | sorphin | cool |
| 15:46.41 | TomW | I was always confused by all those 31xx, 32xxx, 37xx model number, still am. |
| 15:46.48 | sorphin | hehe |
| 15:46.51 | sorphin | welcome to compaq |
| 15:46.52 | sorphin | :P |
| 15:47.23 | sorphin | i just want my zaurus working again :P is that too much to ask? :P *Grin* |
| 15:47.42 | TomW | It was $46 for one that needed a new battery, I won't bother with the battery (yet), just take it apart and tinker with it. |
| 15:47.59 | sorphin | nod |
| 15:48.00 | TomW | sorphin: did you locate the jtag stuff? |
| 15:48.47 | TomW | jtag pinouts I mean |
| 15:48.50 | sorphin | TomW: heh, until spencer gets a hold of my, a lead on the sw if very slim, and there's no way in hell i could adapt rmk's code to do what tim was talking about |
| 15:49.09 | TomW | why |
| 15:49.12 | sorphin | TomW: oh, i have the cable setup |
| 15:49.24 | sorphin | just have no sw that i'd be able to use |
| 15:49.26 | sorphin | TomW: ummm |
| 15:49.34 | sorphin | becase that kinda crap is over my head code wise |
| 15:49.37 | TomW | oh, you are going to do it without opening the unit up then? |
| 15:49.41 | sorphin | init this, so this will talk to that |
| 15:49.56 | sorphin | TomW: yeah, the jtag comes out to the connector on the bottom |
| 15:50.03 | TomW | good |
| 15:50.13 | sorphin | sharp was atleast smart about that |
| 15:50.15 | sorphin | if nothing else |
| 15:50.53 | TomW | IMO, all you will have to do is put the code back into the Flash, there should be no "init this, init that" to do so. |
| 15:51.26 | sorphin | that's not how tim was laying it out |
| 15:51.29 | sorphin | just to get to the flash ;p |
| 15:51.44 | TomW | After all, that locomo chip needs a live processor to get its' data primed into it. The processor needs to fetch that data from the Flash store itself. |
| 15:52.12 | sorphin | yeah |
| 15:52.52 | TomW | They have to prime the flash chip somehow. Normally the Flash is either: |
| 15:52.59 | sorphin | one person i was hoping would have insight into it |
| 15:53.02 | sorphin | is prpplague :P |
| 15:53.03 | sorphin | ;) |
| 15:53.18 | TomW | 1. delivered preprogrammed and if you lose the programming in it, you throw the unit away. |
| 15:53.20 | sorphin | TomW: well, from what's on the sharp jtag sheet thing i have |
| 15:53.35 | sorphin | there's no cpld as far as the flash itself |
| 15:54.01 | TomW | 2. the Flash is programmed in production with, first, testing code to wiggle pins, then, with the final code to ship it. |
| 15:54.43 | sorphin | TomW: this is the banner from the jflash the show output from on this sheet |
| 15:54.44 | sorphin | JFLASH Version Special CPU only (no CPLDs) 1.2 for SHARP |
| 15:54.44 | sorphin | Flash SA-1110 revision B4 |
| 15:54.44 | sorphin | 13 |
| 15:54.46 | sorphin | 25 |
| 15:54.51 | sorphin | erm |
| 15:54.57 | sorphin | minus the 13 and 25 |
| 15:55.17 | sorphin | does that tell you anything? *grin* |
| 15:56.05 | sorphin | particularly the special CPU only (no CPLDs) bit |
| 15:56.30 | TomW | I really don't know what you are looking at, so I cannot comment on it. |
| 15:57.00 | sorphin | that's the output on this sheet of the jtag program i'm lacking that sharp shows themselves using to recover a Z |
| 15:57.15 | sorphin | a modified jflash |
| 15:57.39 | sorphin | albeit a windows one like the original intel one |
| 15:58.01 | TomW | Seeing that the ARM processor has a dedicated chip select (CS0) that activates the boot rom, I cannot imagine just why it would be necessary to involve the CPLD during the inital programming of the Flash! |
| 15:58.18 | sorphin | yeah |
| 15:58.27 | sorphin | prolly why that banner says cpu only no cplds |
| 15:58.28 | sorphin | :) |
| 15:58.41 | TomW | To boot the unit, yes. The CPLD would need to be primed before you can access some of the hardware, perhaps. |
| 15:59.33 | TomW | sorphin: AH! A lot of the CPLDs use JTAG interface to field program / do programming in a device programmer. |
| 16:00.06 | sorphin | TomW: so it may not be as non-trivial as tim lead me to believe? |
| 16:00.55 | sorphin | on this sheet all the do is shove in the bootloader/angel and the CF updater |
| 16:01.12 | sorphin | they drag in the kernel, etc via the normal cf update method |
| 16:01.35 | TomW | they have a couple of special pins on the device to allow for programming. These pins can be tied to a cpu i/o port pins so that the CPU can update the CPLD code in the future. Other CPLDS are RAM-based, they have no fuses and need to have their internal RAM loaded with data before they can be used. JTAG is also used by those RAM-based CPLDs. |
| 16:01.56 | sorphin | nod |
| 16:02.07 | TomW | RAM-based |
| 16:02.35 | TomW | IIRC, Xylinx has some devices like that, they do a lot of that type. |
| 16:02.42 | sorphin | nod |
| 16:03.27 | prpplague | sorphin: insight to what? |
| 16:03.32 | TomW | So, if you use a Xylinx device in your circuit (or some of the Altera FPGAs), when your processor boots, it has to shove data into the CPLD / FPGA on each boot up. |
| 16:03.36 | sorphin | TomW: well, if i had a spare Z, i could do like tim was suggesting and poke at the thing via jtag |
| 16:03.43 | sorphin | prpplague: arm jtaging |
| 16:03.50 | prpplague | sorphin: ahh |
| 16:04.09 | prpplague | sorphin: no, i'm still learning jtag ins/outs |
| 16:04.26 | sorphin | prpplague: from what i'm pondering here basked on the banner of the jflash on this sharp sheet, and what tomw's saying |
| 16:04.45 | sorphin | it may be more trivial than tim was leading me to believe to poke at the Z |
| 16:05.07 | sorphin | tho, he was right that a working one as a reference would help |
| 16:05.10 | TomW | IMO, it would be rather clumsy (time consuming) to have to go via JTAG into the main cpu to wiggle the JTAG pins of the CPLD. Those RAM-based CPLDs need a LOT of data to be shoved into their internal RAM. |
| 16:05.11 | prpplague | argh |
| 16:05.31 | sorphin | prpplague: welcome to the tropics ;) |
| 16:05.56 | sieve | prpplague: lucky bastard |
| 16:06.01 | sorphin | TomW: well, once/if i get that svc manual |
| 16:06.04 | TomW | sorphin: I suspect that it will be a very trivial operation to ressurect your Z: just JTAG the code back into the main Flash store. |
| 16:06.12 | sorphin | i'll be able to lok at exactly how the Z is 'wired up' |
| 16:06.19 | sorphin | TomW: yeah |
| 16:06.31 | sorphin | TomW: if i can ever sort out these damn commands |
| 16:06.40 | TomW | Like I said: CS0 drives the ROM (Flash). |
| 16:07.04 | sorphin | TomW: right, but the flash is sitll gonna want those stupid commands innit? |
| 16:07.24 | sorphin | not sending those commands is oddly how i trashed it to begin with (still can't fathom how) |
| 16:07.37 | TomW | you are looking at it as a chicken & egg problem: I need the CPLD loaded before I can boot, but I need to boot before I can load the CPLD. |
| 16:07.51 | sorphin | actually no |
| 16:07.56 | TomW | k |
| 16:07.56 | sorphin | i'm talking about the flash mem itself |
| 16:08.09 | sorphin | the sharp flash, like most other flash chips of this sort |
| 16:08.17 | sorphin | i.e. the atmel/sst i poke at in tivos |
| 16:08.22 | sorphin | before you can write to it |
| 16:08.33 | TomW | You gotta know which Flash (p/n) is in there so you can do the proper 'dance' to erase & program. |
| 16:08.34 | sorphin | you have to send it a command, then the data |
| 16:08.39 | sorphin | right |
| 16:08.41 | sorphin | and i do |
| 16:08.44 | sorphin | hte prob is |
| 16:08.51 | sorphin | the commands on this spec sheet |
| 16:08.52 | sorphin | SUCK |
| 16:09.05 | TomW | what processor is it? |
| 16:09.11 | sorphin | SA1100 |
| 16:09.17 | prpplague | sieve: you pulled redass 9 down yet? |
| 16:09.32 | sorphin | prpplague: i thought you were the redass at abcsinc |
| 16:09.45 | sorphin | prpplague: as often as you take it from management |
| 16:09.54 | prpplague | sorphin: thats no ass, since i get it chewed off frequently |
| 16:10.01 | TomW | sorphin: k, so why won't the jflash work on it? Change the way it wiggles / dances the Flash |
| 16:10.02 | TomW | ? |
| 16:10.04 | sorphin | prpplague: good point |
| 16:10.09 | prpplague | sorphin: actuall, i might be the boss redass soon, lol |
| 16:10.17 | sorphin | prpplague: eh? |
| 16:10.25 | prpplague | sorphin: the hardware manager quit yesterday and no one wants his job |
| 16:10.33 | sorphin | prpplague: muhahahaha |
| 16:10.47 | sorphin | TomW: if i can sort out their commands |
| 16:10.50 | prpplague | sieve: that is unless they can trick ben into it |
| 16:11.41 | TomW | prpplague: I'll do it! Pay me $160K / yr, I can bluff my way through for 6 months before they fire my ass, and I'll have some nice seed money to purchase equipment with! |
| 16:11.49 | sorphin | haha |
| 16:11.55 | TomW | no shit! |
| 16:11.58 | sorphin | TomW: just retire already you geezer |
| 16:12.15 | signal11_ | prpplague: what does a hardware manager do |
| 16:12.29 | signal11_ | apart from managing hardware, i guess |
| 16:12.41 | sorphin | signal11_: management *shiver* |
| 16:14.01 | TomW | prpplague: I'll busy myself with meetings for two months, figuring out 'the problem', then take a month to come up with a 'solution', it'll take 'em two months to implement the 'solution' and another couple of months to realize that I have no clue as to what I am doing! |
| 16:14.08 | sorphin | kergoth: dammit |
| 16:14.09 | prpplague | signal11_: basically schedule repair/upgrade tricks, oversea documentation, testing of rma and new equipment, and oversee the r&d department |
| 16:14.12 | TomW | prpplague: isn't that what managers do? |
| 16:14.20 | sorphin | kergoth: did opie.us change their damn site in the past couple days? |
| 16:14.26 | kergoth | ? |
| 16:14.34 | prpplague | TomW: thats what ours is suppose to do |
| 16:14.44 | kergoth | afaik all that was changed is the embedix patch was uploaded there to mirror zaurus.com while its down |
| 16:14.46 | sorphin | kergoth: The requested URL /devZone.php was not found on this server. |
| 16:14.53 | TomW | prpplague: what? fake 'em out? |
| 16:14.53 | kergoth | worked fine last night |
| 16:14.57 | kergoth | havent tested since |
| 16:15.01 | sorphin | isn't working now |
| 16:15.08 | sorphin | http://www.opie.us/devZone.php |
| 16:15.10 | sorphin | not found |
| 16:15.27 | sorphin | even if you follow the link of their own page |
| 16:15.36 | prpplague | TomW: hmm, ya well, i guess you could say thats what our last one did :0 |
| 16:15.46 | kergoth | sorphin: /join #openembedded. talk to ljp. |
| 16:15.50 | sorphin | ahh |
| 16:15.52 | sorphin | i found it |
| 16:16.00 | kergoth | when he's around anywya, he isnt now |
| 16:16.08 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:16.34 | signal11_ | not to ask a dumb question or anything, but how is openembedded different from elinux |
| 16:16.40 | sorphin | hehe |
| 16:16.51 | sorphin | openembedded is what kergoth is migrating OZ towards |
| 16:17.06 | sorphin | non "only zaurus" specific |
| 16:17.09 | kergoth | openembedded is an infrastructure for embedded use that is both OS and distribution agnostic. |
| 16:17.28 | kergoth | 'elinux' alludes to being linux specific, which there is no need for |
| 16:17.47 | TomW | prpplague: did you see today's Dilbert? |
| 16:18.12 | sorphin | kergoth: yay |
| 16:18.22 | sorphin | i finally found the *exact* flash datasheet |
| 16:18.32 | sorphin | tho, it's in japanese :P |
| 16:20.38 | sorphin | TomW: yo |
| 16:20.55 | kergoth | ibot: seen mallum |
| 16:20.57 | | mallum is currently on #ipaq (7h 53m 6s) #familiar (7h 53m 6s) #intimate (7h 53m 6s) #gpe (7h 53m 6s) #tuxscreen (7h 53m 6s) #elinux (7h 53m 6s) #handhelds.org (7h 53m 6s). Has said a total of 21 messages. Is idling for 1h 18m 49s |
| 16:21.00 | sorphin | would you guess that the onl ydiff between LH28F640BFHE-PTTL80 and -PTTL90 |
| 16:21.01 | kergoth | mallum: ping |
| 16:21.02 | sorphin | is speed? |
| 16:21.13 | kergoth | mallum: the X build doesnt like me much |
| 16:21.18 | prpplague | TomW: negative, been working since 5am est |
| 16:21.19 | mallum | kergoth: hey |
| 16:21.28 | mallum | kergoth: what happens |
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| 16:21.37 | kergoth | /usr/src/collie/output/staging/XXcompiler/cc -E `./ccimake` \ |
| 16:21.37 | kergoth | -DCROSSCOMPILE_CPP imakemdep.h > imakemdep_cpp.h; \ |
| 16:21.37 | kergoth | else touch imakemdep_cpp.h; fi |
| 16:21.37 | kergoth | imakemdep.h:779: linux/version.h: No such file or directory |
| 16:21.47 | sorphin | chouimat: hola |
| 16:21.48 | kergoth | which followed |
| 16:21.48 | kergoth | making imake with BOOTSTRAPCFLAGS= and CROSSCOMPILEFLAGS=-DCROSSCOMPILEDIR="/usr/src/collie/output/staging/XXcompiler" in config/imake |
| 16:21.52 | kergoth | cc -o ccimake -DCROSSCOMPILEDIR=\"/usr/src/collie/output/staging/XXcompiler\" -O -I../../include -I../../imports/x11/include/X11 ccimake.c |
| 16:22.06 | mallum | kergoth: yeah, your tool chain is missing version.h |
| 16:22.09 | kergoth | no |
| 16:22.11 | kergoth | well |
| 16:22.23 | chouimat | hi sorphin |
| 16:22.23 | kergoth | why isnt it using the staging include dir? |
| 16:22.29 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:22.39 | chouimat | kergoth: ck-kernel are in gentoo |
| 16:22.52 | mallum | kergoth: I think it is, but thats missing version.h |
| 16:23.01 | kergoth | mallum: no, it sint. |
| 16:23.41 | kergoth | /usr/src/collie/packages/xfree86$ ls ../../output/staging/include/linux/version.h |
| 16:23.44 | kergoth | ../../output/staging/include/linux/version.h |
| 16:24.05 | kergoth | you're right, it isnt in my toolchain include dir, which is odd, but it should be adding staging to its include path as well |
| 16:25.09 | mallum | kergoth: thats easy to fix, you'll see where it sets the extra include dirs in the Makefile - where it calls make World |
| 16:25.11 | kergoth | well i'll fix my toollchani |
| 16:25.20 | kergoth | Makefile: $(MAKE) -C $(SourceTree) World EXTRA_LDOPTIONS="-L$(STAGING_DIR)/arm-linux/lib" EXTRA_INCLUDES="-I$(STAGING_DIR)/include" CROSSCOMPILEDIR=$(STAGING_DIR)/XXcompiler |
| 16:25.25 | kergoth | .. |
| 16:25.28 | kergoth | and it still fails |
| 16:25.44 | kergoth | so that EXTRA_INCLUDES isnt used when it generates imakemdep_cpp.h |
| 16:25.54 | mallum | looks like it :( |
| 16:26.06 | mallum | it definetly gets used later on |
| 16:26.32 | kergoth | k, not a big deal |
| 16:26.56 | mallum | does it work when you add version.h to your toolchain ? |
| 16:28.02 | prpplague | sieve: hmm, groove salad in nassau :) |
| 16:28.54 | chouimat | hey prpplague |
| 16:30.19 | sorphin | chouimat: looking at the real datasheet for the Z's flash |
| 16:30.28 | sorphin | chouimat: from what me and tomw have been talking about |
| 16:30.29 | chouimat | sorphin: ? |
| 16:30.36 | sorphin | should be trivial to poke at this thing |
| 16:30.51 | chouimat | sorphin: ok |
| 16:31.09 | sorphin | chouimat: the LH28F640BFHE-PTTL90 datasheet |
| 16:31.30 | sorphin | now that i finally got the right datasheet for said flash |
| 16:31.36 | prpplague | chouimat: hey |
| 16:32.07 | sorphin | chouimat: 1st link on google when you search for that exact chip |
| 16:32.33 | chouimat | sorphin: ok I will X up and running later today |
| 16:35.21 | sorphin | ok, <stupid mode> OTP program mode? </stupid> |
| 16:36.17 | kergoth | mallum: okay, it appears to be working. |
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| 16:41.25 | kergoth | god, xfree86's use of make recursion is just excessive. |
| 16:43.20 | prpplague | decisions decisions..... |
| 16:43.27 | prpplague | 1 liter water $6.75 |
| 16:43.37 | prpplague | 1 liter of beer $1.25 |
| 16:43.54 | mallum | kergoth: hehe, keep me posted on how it goes for you |
| 16:44.03 | chouimat | prpplague: depend on what you want to do today :) |
| 16:44.31 | prpplague | chouimat: install 3 mission critical servers ? |
| 16:44.49 | kergoth | hrmm |
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| 16:48.07 | kergoth | /usr/src/collie/output/staging/XXcompiler/`echo gcc|sed "s%.*/%%"` -c -O3 -fsigned-char -I/usr/src/collie/output/staging/include -I../../../../.. -I../../../../../exports/include -Dlinux -D__arm__ -D__arm32__ -U__arm -Uarm -D_POSIX_C_SOURCE=199309L -D_POSIX_SOURCE -D_XOPEN_SOURCE -D_BSD_SOURCE -D_SVID_SOURCE -D_GNU_SOURCE -DFUNCPROTO=15 -DNARROWPROTO -DXTHREADS -D_REENTRANT -DXUSE_MTSAFE_API -DMALLOC_0_RETURNS_NULL |
| 16:48.14 | kergoth | imLcIc.c:34: Xlibint.h: No such file or directory |
| 16:48.16 | kergoth | imLcIc.c:35: Xlcint.h: No such file or directory |
| 16:48.19 | kergoth | imLcIc.c:36: Ximint.h: No such file or directory |
| 16:48.21 | kergoth | make[9]: *** [imLcIc.o] Error 1 |
| 16:48.24 | kergoth | grr |
| 16:48.25 | kergoth | still building though |
| 16:48.29 | kergoth | cool |
| 16:48.31 | kergoth | odd |
| 16:49.37 | prpplague | kergoth: hmm, not like its the first time "collie" and "odd" are in the same context |
| 16:49.38 | mallum | just let it keep going, about 90% of the stuff in the tree isn't needed ;-) |
| 16:50.11 | kergoth | yeah, if a build doesnt fail, i dont fuck with it |
| 16:50.15 | mallum | kergoth: as long as it got the bootstrap stuff compiled ok, the rest should be plain sailing |
| 16:50.15 | kergoth | just struck me as odd :) |
| 16:51.26 | mallum | kergoth: I've been trying to build phoenix for the c700, but not much luck :( |
| 16:53.53 | chouimat | kergoth: ? |
| 16:55.20 | chouimat | come one Gentoo Compile |
| 16:55.25 | chouimat | s/one/on |
| 17:11.57 | kergoth | oh mallum.. |
| 17:11.59 | kergoth | :) |
| 17:12.00 | kergoth | # !! EVIL HACK EVIL HACK !! |
| 17:12.00 | kergoth | # if I dont do this fontconfig linkage breaks |
| 17:12.00 | kergoth | cp -a /usr/X11R6/lib/libexpat.so* /arm-linux/lib/ |
| 17:12.03 | kergoth | cp: cannot stat `/usr/X11R6/lib/libexpat.so*': No such file or directory |
| 17:12.05 | kergoth | make[1]: *** [/usr/src/collie/stamps/.XFree86.staginginstall] Error 1 |
| 17:12.08 | kergoth | make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/collie/packages/xfree86' |
| 17:12.20 | sorphin | kergoth: must be your turn to be a pain today eh? ;) |
| 17:12.27 | mallum | kergoth: yeah you havn't been applying my changesets ;-) |
| 17:12.29 | kergoth | guess so :) |
| 17:12.37 | kergoth | mallum: i missed one? hmm |
| 17:12.46 | chouimat | sorphin: interesting reading |
| 17:13.05 | mallum | kergoth: I think if you check that line in the Makefile it says $(STAMP) when it should say $(STAMPDIR) |
| 17:13.13 | sorphin | chouimat: yeah.. the commands threw me because they say to use them at any valid addr, i'm nto use to that :P |
| 17:13.27 | chouimat | sorphin: hehe |
| 17:14.08 | chouimat | now if we can dicth angel |
| 17:14.14 | sorphin | hehe |
| 17:14.59 | chouimat | sorphin: and have something that enable us to boot from cf too :) |
| 17:15.11 | sorphin | or mmc :P |
| 17:15.14 | sorphin | ;) |
| 17:15.18 | kergoth | mallum: hmm, i cant find any changesets in my mailbox.. hmmmm |
| 17:15.33 | chouimat | sorphin: hehe |
| 17:15.38 | mallum | kergoth: have you got none at all in the last week ? |
| 17:16.06 | chouimat | sorphin: no more space problems :) |
| 17:16.28 | sorphin | yeah |
| 17:16.30 | kergoth | mallum: i have one here from the 32st of may with the corgi modmap fixes, was that before or after the one in question? |
| 17:16.49 | mallum | kergoth: after I think |
| 17:16.56 | chouimat | brb need to do some cleaning in here |
| 17:16.58 | mallum | 32st of may ? |
| 17:17.16 | kergoth | mallum: k |
| 17:17.19 | kergoth | 31st :) |
| 17:17.20 | sorphin | whats OTP (one Time program) mean in the flash sense? |
| 17:17.31 | sorphin | kergoth: drink more coffee :P |
| 17:17.54 | prpplague | sorphin: once you've flash it it no longer can be re-flashed |
| 17:17.54 | chouimat | sorphin: he allready getting his coffee via intravenous ... |
| 17:18.03 | sorphin | prpplague: hmm |
| 17:18.13 | sorphin | i dunno why sharp didn't do that w/ say angel or something |
| 17:18.19 | sorphin | so you'd have a 'safety net' |
| 17:18.33 | sorphin | since htis flash has an OTP Program mode |
| 17:18.37 | sorphin | this even |
| 17:18.53 | sorphin | chouimat: apparently not if he's saying the 32st |
| 17:19.51 | chouimat | sorphin: haha |
| 17:24.43 | mallum | kergoth: whats the revision set to in the Makefile ? |
| 17:26.14 | kergoth | Revision = 7 |
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| 17:26.25 | sorphin | TimRiker: hola |
| 17:26.44 | TimRiker | hey all |
| 17:26.49 | kergoth | hey tim |
| 17:27.20 | mallum | kergoth: ah well Im only on 8 ;-) , maybe Its my fualt and I never sent you my latest changes :( |
| 17:27.26 | kergoth | hmm, dunno |
| 17:27.34 | kergoth | i could have eeasily misplaced it |
| 17:27.36 | sorphin | TimRiker: me and tomw (after a little discussing) figured out, that it prolly won't be as bad as we thought to poke at the flash just to get the angel/cf updater in there, i finally found the proper flash data sheet too, so.. |
| 17:27.51 | sorphin | TimRiker: so i may not be as hopeless as i thought ;) |
| 17:27.55 | mallum | kergoth: well I'll get another changeset to you later, maybe it will be in that |
| 17:28.03 | TimRiker | sorphin: that's good news. |
| 17:28.05 | sorphin | mallum: maybe? ;) |
| 17:28.12 | mallum | sorphin: hopefully |
| 17:28.19 | sorphin | ;) |
| 17:28.32 | kergoth | mallum: well, you can use -r# on the bk send line to force a send |
| 17:28.45 | kergoth | mallum: bk keeps track of what changesets you've sent me, so you have to force a send of one you sent already |
| 17:28.49 | TomW | TimRiker: yeah, makes no sense to me that the locomo chip would have to be involved to replace the content of the Flash store. |
| 17:29.29 | TimRiker | iirc the write_en pin on flash was tied to a locomo gpio not to the sa1110 |
| 17:29.30 | TomW | TimRiker: to run the hardware, yes, the locomo would need to be initialized, but that appears to be the job of the Flash store. |
| 17:29.43 | TomW | chinken & egg problem. |
| 17:29.51 | kergoth | iirc WE is tied to tc35143af or scoop, not locomo |
| 17:29.55 | kergoth | dont recall which off teh top of my head |
| 17:30.07 | sorphin | kergoth: so open your svc manual schematic boy ;P |
| 17:30.14 | TimRiker | ah. that might be. I have no sharp docs at TI. imagine that. ;-) |
| 17:30.17 | kergoth | i forgot the svc manual at work |
| 17:30.21 | kergoth | er at home |
| 17:30.22 | sorphin | TimRiker: rotfl |
| 17:30.27 | sorphin | TimRiker: gee.. wonder why ;) |
| 17:30.31 | TimRiker | heh |
| 17:30.34 | TomW | Wish I could see the schematic, I am just guessing / assuming a lot without seeing it. |
| 17:30.55 | sorphin | TimRiker: i think TI really was meant to mean Tim's Instruments |
| 17:30.58 | sorphin | :) |
| 17:31.02 | TomW | FAX: 570.688.0914 |
| 17:31.14 | TimRiker | TomW: anyone at sharp working on getting you permission? the service manual is a pdf |
| 17:31.14 | sorphin | TomW: eh? |
| 17:31.29 | sorphin | TimRiker: kergoth sent spencer a request for me |
| 17:31.45 | sorphin | but spencer's swampped atm apparently |
| 17:31.49 | TomW | Naw, sorphin dragged me into this, I am not that interested in seeing them, only to help him out. |
| 17:32.13 | TimRiker | sorphin: hehe. can't find any Tim's Instruments shirts anywhere. cafepress perhaps? ;-) |
| 17:32.13 | sorphin | so i haven't even gotten the nda yet |
| 17:32.36 | sorphin | TimRiker: hehe |
| 17:32.50 | TomW | TimRiker: I'm busy writing a proposal to beg^H^H^Hget some work. |
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| 17:33.09 | sorphin | TomW: quit whoring yourself out, your name isn't sjhill :P |
| 17:33.15 | TomW | heh |
| 17:33.20 | sorphin | :) |
| 17:33.27 | TomW | entrepeneur == whore |
| 17:33.32 | sorphin | hmm |
| 17:33.34 | sorphin | good point |
| 17:33.58 | sorphin | s/get/very/ |
| 17:34.06 | sorphin | ok, i'm definately tired :P |
| 17:34.33 | sorphin | TimRiker: so how big's "your office" ? |
| 17:35.03 | TimRiker | sorphin: just a cube. |
| 17:35.17 | sorphin | ahh |
| 17:35.32 | sorphin | TimRiker: your boss isn't pointy haired is he/she? |
| 17:35.46 | TimRiker | anyone interested in a move to dallas? you get to hang out with me. inviting isn't it? |
| 17:36.01 | TomW | TimRiker: size of paycheck & value to the company can be measured by the size of the office. |
| 17:36.02 | TimRiker | sorphin: nope. he's a she. |
| 17:36.04 | TomW | ;) |
| 17:36.26 | sorphin | TimRiker: hiring ? |
| 17:36.27 | TimRiker | TomW: heh. is that an inverse measurement? |
| 17:36.36 | TimRiker | sorphin: yes, some. |
| 17:36.55 | TomW | TimRiker: uhhuh, the smaller the office, the harder you have to work to keep it. |
| 17:37.09 | TimRiker | TomW: hehe |
| 17:37.29 | sorphin | TimRiker: prpplague might be becoming semi pointy haired |
| 17:37.44 | TomW | years of corporate experience has taught me that. The larger the office the less likely it will be your ass in the sling |
| 17:38.10 | sorphin | TomW: don't forget, the larger the office, proportionally the smaller your brain ;) |
| 17:38.17 | TomW | lol |
| 17:38.21 | TomW | :D |
| 17:38.34 | sorphin | TomW: that's why ceo's have such big offices |
| 17:38.43 | sorphin | and hard working engineers have little cubes |
| 17:38.46 | sorphin | ;) |
| 17:38.53 | TomW | ummm, todays' Dilbert anyone? |
| 17:39.03 | sorphin | TomW: i have it up now |
| 17:39.26 | sorphin | TimRiker: there are obvious exceptions to that rule tho ;) |
| 17:39.44 | sorphin | (assuming you had a decent office at lineo) |
| 17:40.22 | prpplague | sorphin: what? |
| 17:40.37 | sorphin | prpplague: when? where? who? |
| 17:40.48 | prpplague | sorphin: you for how? |
| 17:40.58 | prpplague | s/for/forgot |
| 17:41.10 | sorphin | prpplague: nah, i know how |
| 17:41.17 | sorphin | prpplague: i'm not old enough to forget yte ;) |
| 17:41.18 | sorphin | yet |
| 17:41.44 | TimRiker | I don't recall ever having a large enough office to hold all my stuff. ;-) |
| 17:41.58 | sorphin | TimRiker: maybe you have too much stuff? ;) |
| 17:42.10 | sorphin | TimRiker: or were you in the former janitor's closet turned office? |
| 17:44.05 | sorphin | TimRiker: seen any fun toys yet around at TI? |
| 17:44.16 | prpplague | TimRiker: got you pounding those OMAPS yet? |
| 17:45.20 | TimRiker | some nice toys, yes. anyone interested in working on omap-linux should talk to me. I'm working on getting some loaner devel boards. |
| 17:45.42 | prpplague | TimRiker: i wish |
| 17:45.49 | TimRiker | I'll probably bring a few to hand out at OLS. |
| 17:45.57 | sorphin | i don't even know/remember what omap is |
| 17:45.59 | prpplague | TimRiker: as usually i'm working POS |
| 17:46.06 | sorphin | prpplague: now cut that out ;) |
| 17:46.22 | sorphin | prpplague: if you keep playing w/ POS you'll go blind :P |
| 17:46.26 | chouimat | what omap is? |
| 17:46.43 | TimRiker | it's basically arm9-linux at present, though I'm also working on getting easier access to the linux hosted omap dsp tools and docs |
| 17:46.43 | prpplague | sorphin: ya well, this POS stuff is getting old, i'm gonna have to find a real embedded job |
| 17:47.04 | prpplague | TimRiker: ya i just got a gp32 which is arm9 based |
| 17:47.06 | chouimat | sound cool |
| 17:47.07 | sorphin | prpplague: tim's hiring atm |
| 17:47.19 | sorphin | prpplague: he just mentioned that a lil ways up ;) |
| 17:47.50 | prpplague | sorphin: ya but he wants really linux gurus not wannabies :) |
| 17:48.08 | TimRiker | prpplague: well, there is that. ;-) |
| 17:48.18 | sorphin | prpplague: heh |
| 17:48.40 | sorphin | counts me out then :P i've only been messing w/ linux since 93, and prolly am not hard core enough ;) |
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| 19:15.57 | TomW | sorphin: well, the plea has been sent, now to see if I can get the customer to go for it. |
| 19:17.23 | TomW | sorphin: he has an old design (circa 1994) that was 8051 based, 64K EPROM, 128K SRAM. I am proposing to kick it up to ARM, SDRAM and Compact Flash, with Ethernet added in.. |
| 19:19.00 | prpplague | TomW: so the hagis is in the fire? |
| 19:20.10 | TomW | heh, yeah. I do have a $5K check and another Fire Panel to pick up this week.. So, I'll have money to build the prototype EP7312 system. |
| 19:20.33 | prpplague | cool |
| 19:22.48 | TomW | prpplague: six serial ports: 2 RS232 only, 4 software selectable RS232/RS485, 10BaseT, SDRAM, CF slot, QVGA, Touch, Onboard regulation 8-35volt input, and an expansion header. |
| 19:23.13 | TomW | got to have an expansion header! |
| 19:24.11 | TomW | prpplague: it *will* be a six layer board. :( |
| 19:27.29 | prpplague | TomW: bummer |
| 19:28.05 | TomW | yeah, I would like to keep it to four layers, but, we'll see, I am budgeting for six layer. |
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| 19:34.09 | o-_-o | hello :-) |
| 19:34.22 | o-_-o | like has anybody seen these warnings |
| 19:34.42 | o-_-o | "something" supports interworking, where as "something" does not |
| 19:34.46 | o-_-o | ? |
| 19:35.44 | prpplague | o-_-o: uh, you need to provide a little more info there dude |
| 19:36.06 | o-_-o | well |
| 19:36.14 | o-_-o | I am trying to compile a program |
| 19:36.17 | o-_-o | for the GBA |
| 19:36.25 | o-_-o | which uses the ARM processor |
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| 19:36.26 | o-_-o | using gcc |
| 19:36.31 | o-_-o | on a win32 env |
| 19:36.40 | o-_-o | it is built as a cross compiler |
| 19:36.43 | prpplague | o-_-o: well, we general do neither here |
| 19:37.03 | prpplague | o-_-o: best to check with the gba mailing list |
| 19:37.13 | o-_-o | ok...any idea where :/ |
| 19:37.14 | o-_-o | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:37.25 | prpplague | the linux gba dev site? |
| 19:37.32 | o-_-o | :) no linux |
| 19:37.35 | o-_-o | onl gcc |
| 19:37.43 | o-_-o | GBA does not have an OS |
| 19:37.53 | prpplague | o-_-o: i know that |
| 19:38.05 | prpplague | o-_-o: however there is a linux development host for gba |
| 19:38.11 | prpplague | o-_-o: thats where the gcc is coming from |
| 19:38.15 | o-_-o | ok... |
| 19:38.20 | file | greetings all |
| 19:38.35 | prpplague | o-_-o: one sec, i'll get you an url |
| 19:38.39 | o-_-o | ok... |
| 19:39.27 | prpplague | o-_-o: http://gnufoo.org/gba/ |
| 19:39.41 | o-_-o | thanks a lot |
| 19:39.47 | prpplague | o-_-o: np |
| 19:42.34 | o-_-o | I'm out thanks for all the help again prpplague |
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| 19:45.10 | prpplague | my first instinct is to be short with ppl like that for not doing their own research, however i remember i too something have trouble putting 2 and 2 together..... |
| 19:47.12 | file | Google knows all |
| 19:49.52 | prpplague | file: except how to understand a woman |
| 19:50.47 | sorphin | prpplague: 2 + 2 = 4 |
| 19:52.24 | prpplague | sorphin: lol |
| 19:52.33 | prpplague | sorphin: i hope you know what i mean |
| 19:53.00 | sorphin | prpplague: sometimes, othertimes that POS brainwashing of yours leaks through and no one understands you ;) |
| 19:54.59 | prpplague | sorphin: thats a given |
| 19:58.45 | sorphin | TomW: yo |
| 19:59.49 | kergoth | hrm |
| 20:00.04 | sorphin | kergoth: i noticed somehting the other day |
| 20:00.15 | kergoth | which is |
| 20:00.15 | kergoth | ? |
| 20:00.16 | sorphin | on hte back of the Z in the battery area |
| 20:00.51 | sorphin | there are lil pads along that side area, that look like they could be bringouts of the jtag too/the connector |
| 20:01.17 | sorphin | on the right side of the battery area |
| 20:01.48 | sorphin | kergoth: btw, i sent you a /m earlier.. dunno if you saw it |
| 20:02.33 | prpplague | sorphin: i was wondering about those as well |
| 20:03.28 | sorphin | yeah |
| 20:05.11 | sorphin | prpplague: seen a lot of talk about the assabet.. ever seen/messed w/ one? |
| 20:06.15 | prpplague | sorphin: ya the assabet ref design is what i used for the hackkit |
| 20:06.36 | prpplague | file: aim for the heart |
| 20:06.51 | prpplague | file: jk |
| 20:08.08 | sorphin | prpplague: a file w/ a heart? |
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| 20:10.44 | sorphin | wow |
| 20:10.46 | sorphin | it's andersee |
| 20:11.01 | file | All Hail Andersee! |
| 20:11.15 | sorphin | file: you got some brown stuff on your nose |
| 20:11.26 | andersee | sorphin: file: morning |
| 20:11.39 | sorphin | andersee: that explains it right there |
| 20:11.48 | sorphin | andersee: back on your odd schedule again eh? |
| 20:13.00 | andersee | sortof |
| 20:13.26 | prpplague | sorphin: dual pIII 800mhz, db reorg times |
| 20:13.35 | prpplague | sorphin: SCO 68 minutes |
| 20:13.56 | prpplague | sorphin: redhat 7.3 12 minutes |
| 20:14.03 | sorphin | prpplague: sounds bout right |
| 20:14.21 | prpplague | sorphin: and thats their backup box |
| 20:14.34 | sorphin | heh |
| 20:14.49 | sorphin | prpplague: well, i did always call SCO, Scum for a reason |
| 20:16.24 | TomW | sorphin: you rang? |
| 20:16.52 | sorphin | <sorphin> on hte back of the Z in the battery area |
| 20:16.52 | sorphin | <sorphin> there are lil pads along that side area, that look like they could |
| 20:16.52 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:17.03 | sorphin | TomW: sound like that might be what they are to you? |
| 20:17.15 | TomW | maybe |
| 20:17.19 | sorphin | they look pogopinable |
| 20:17.36 | sorphin | and i know the (after just reading) the jourdana does that for it's jtag |
| 20:18.04 | prpplague | zwelch: hey you lurker |
| 20:18.04 | prpplague | zwelch: what the hell are you up to these days? |
| 20:18.15 | TomW | sorphin: it could very well be, it would make sense to avoid having to open a PDA up to service the software. |
| 20:18.43 | sorphin | TomW: and incase you don't have one of those weird connectors that the zaurus uses to connect to the cradle |
| 20:19.42 | TomW | No, I wouldn't expect to find something on the order of JTAG on a consumer accessory. |
| 20:19.57 | TomW | Why would the enduser need JTAG? |
| 20:20.01 | sorphin | nono |
| 20:20.33 | sorphin | i meant they prolly have those pads so that you don't have to use the connector on hte bottom of the Z to get to the jtag, because it does bring it out to that connector too |
| 20:21.05 | sorphin | that's how their actual 'jtag cable' is set up to hook up to.. i just figured those pads were prolly an alternative 'hookup' too |
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| 20:21.22 | sorphin | and there's the other hardware nut ;) |
| 20:21.25 | sorphin | GPSFan: allo ken |
| 20:21.43 | TomW | sounds like over-engineering the device to have it at one connector, then someplace else. Why do that? In case the connector gets broken? |
| 20:22.08 | sorphin | TomW: or like i said, i guess in case you don't have somehting w/ that connector handy? i dunno |
| 20:22.47 | TomW | if the signals are at the connector, why worry. It would make sense to put it at the connector so that service personnel could easily re-Flash it? |
| 20:22.49 | sorphin | it's just a guess on those pads, haven't had a chance to check for continuity |
| 20:22.59 | sorphin | nod |
| 20:23.02 | sorphin | ah well |
| 20:23.21 | sorphin | w/o the schematic i'm taking stabs anyways ;) |
| 20:23.26 | sorphin | stupid sharp |
| 20:23.44 | sorphin | now decisions decisions |
| 20:23.53 | sorphin | do i use jflash-linux as a base |
| 20:23.56 | file | Mission Impossible time, gotta infiltrate Sharp headquarters! |
| 20:23.59 | sorphin | or use the rmk jtag |
| 20:24.17 | sorphin | file: no, i just need spencer to send me my nda |
| 20:24.40 | file | but that'll never happen |
| 20:24.55 | sorphin | it will, whenever he becomes unswamped |
| 20:25.04 | file | like I said - never |
| 20:25.12 | sorphin | file: go back to sleep |
| 20:25.20 | file | sleep not found. |
| 20:25.33 | TomW | sorphin: how about checking with the others that have signed the NDA and see if they have a blank copy. then you fill it out and send it in and see what happens? |
| 20:25.56 | sorphin | TomW: that's a thought |
| 20:25.59 | sorphin | kergoth: y0 digi |
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| 21:17.04 | mallum | how do you create a channel on freenode ? just /join it and get a bot to connect and stay connected ? |
| 21:17.25 | kergoth | you can register it with chanserv |
| 21:17.50 | mallum | how do you do that ? |
| 21:17.50 | sorphin | mallum: the #matchbox channel? |
| 21:18.03 | kergoth | mallum: /msg chanserv help |
| 21:18.04 | sorphin | mallum: /m chanserv help ;) |
| 21:18.16 | mallum | sorphin: no #free-warez-and-nudie-pics |
| 21:18.35 | sorphin | mallum: ah, we already got one of those.. it's called #elinux :P |
| 21:18.44 | mallum | hehe |
| 21:18.45 | mallum | no a matchbox one |
| 21:18.53 | sorphin | thoght so |
| 21:19.07 | sorphin | TomW: hey, old timer |
| 21:19.18 | sorphin | TomW: need a recommendation |
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| 23:53.20 | sorphin | prpplague: booo hisssss boooo |
| 23:53.46 | prpplague | sorphin: bee-otch |
| 23:54.27 | sorphin | prpplague: may your hotel room be full of mosquitos ;) |
| 23:58.49 | prpplague | sorphin: lol, more like beer bottles and condom wrappers |