| 00:00.00 | sorphin | if you tie it to pin 11, it's tied to vcc then w/ no resistor |
| 00:00.01 | kergoth | er, they're indirectly tying vcc to gnd? |
| 00:00.09 | sorphin | no |
| 00:00.12 | sorphin | directly |
| 00:00.20 | sorphin | according to the diagram |
| 00:00.26 | sorphin | they tie 11 and 13 |
| 00:00.29 | sorphin | for jtag |
| 00:00.35 | kergoth | ah |
| 00:00.36 | sorphin | if you tie 11 to 13 |
| 00:00.43 | kergoth | well wtf |
| 00:00.43 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:00.43 | sorphin | you're also tying 11 to 8 |
| 00:00.46 | kergoth | brb, soda |
| 00:00.52 | chouimat|tv | brb simpsons |
| 00:00.59 | sorphin | since 8 is already tied to 13 |
| 00:01.00 | sorphin | nod |
| 00:04.03 | chouimat|tv | grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Rerun |
| 00:04.20 | sorphin | nod |
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| 01:34.37 | chouimat|eat | the "aol for broadband" ad sucks |
| 01:40.45 | sorphin | i commented on that earlier |
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| 01:54.50 | file | anybody concious? |
| 01:54.59 | chouimat|eat | file no |
| 01:55.06 | file | chouimat|eat: are you eating yourself? |
| 01:55.28 | chouimat|eat | no pate chinois |
| 01:55.38 | file | oh ic |
| 01:56.44 | file | arg matey |
| 01:56.52 | chouimat|eat | ? |
| 01:57.54 | file | I thought my proxy crashed, but it recovered |
| 01:57.58 | file | so I'm happy :) |
| 02:01.07 | MonMotha | woah...gEDA doesn't have an 8051 in it's symbol library>? |
| 02:02.32 | MonMotha | hi |
| 02:02.43 | file | what's up? |
| 02:08.44 | TomW`gone | MonMotha: why use gEDA? Doing some testing or something like that? |
| 02:11.40 | file | chouimat: Enjoy your... food? |
| 02:12.04 | chouimat | file: yup ... now I need to go buy beers |
| 02:12.13 | file | chouimat: quickly, quickly! |
| 02:12.39 | MonMotha | TomW`gone: well, I was planning on actually drawing up the schematic for this thign (picture in a sec) so I could try an autorouter for a pcb |
| 02:12.48 | chouimat | file: still have 48 minutes :) |
| 02:13.06 | file | eh fine |
| 02:13.09 | file | it's your world |
| 02:13.12 | chouimat | DAMN CAT! I need to go out MOVE! |
| 02:13.26 | TomW | MonMotha: I was just looking the gEDA over, I don't see anything to do the PCB Layout? |
| 02:13.36 | MonMotha | http://monmotha.mplug.org/hardware/micro/s3500009.jpg |
| 02:14.12 | MonMotha | TomW: I thought I saw an autorouter for them...not sure |
| 02:14.14 | MonMotha | maybe not |
| 02:14.18 | MonMotha | it worked with PCB as I recall |
| 02:14.28 | MonMotha | TomW: the reason I use geda is because I'm cheap :) |
| 02:14.29 | TomW | No, I don't even see a manual router |
| 02:14.37 | MonMotha | yeah, they don't have a PCB prog at all |
| 02:14.48 | TomW | ok, they export the netlist, then you can import it into PCB. |
| 02:14.51 | MonMotha | yeah |
| 02:14.54 | TomW | hmm |
| 02:14.58 | TomW | messy |
| 02:15.04 | MonMotha | I thought I saw someone had some perl scripts to do some hackish stuff as well |
| 02:15.05 | MonMotha | yes it is |
| 02:15.10 | MonMotha | I should probably get eagle or something |
| 02:15.12 | sorphin | MonMotha: all i see is a buncha ribbon cable on an image bigger than 1280x1024 :P |
| 02:15.15 | TomW | I did that with OrCad 3 & Tango PCB 1.0 |
| 02:15.17 | TomW | messy |
| 02:15.26 | MonMotha | sorphin: heh :) |
| 02:15.37 | chouimat | sorphin: :) |
| 02:15.43 | file | mmm... Webpal... 2 days till this auction is over |
| 02:15.46 | MonMotha | sorphin: there's an 80C451 under there hooked up to 8k of static RAM and 128k (only 64k addressable) of flash memory |
| 02:15.55 | TomW | sorphin: so, stop using 640x480 resolution and go higher. |
| 02:15.58 | TomW | ;) |
| 02:16.02 | MonMotha | the rest is just glue logic and the MAX232 for the serial port |
| 02:16.12 | sorphin | TomW: umm |
| 02:16.18 | sorphin | TomW: i was using 1280x1024 :P |
| 02:16.19 | sorphin | dork |
| 02:16.22 | MonMotha | I do need to work out the xtal and finish tying some unused inputs |
| 02:16.30 | TomW | ~lart sorphin |
| 02:16.32 | file | owwwww |
| 02:16.38 | file | I stuck my hand under my laptop, and it's REALLY hot |
| 02:17.17 | TomW | MonMotha: I use a purchased version of EagleCAD, it does what I need. |
| 02:18.01 | TomW | MonMotha: I got the autorouter, but seldom ever use it. Autorouters are notorious for being very stupid about routing signals. |
| 02:19.19 | TomW | good for low speed stuff, if you manually route your high speed lines, then turn the autorouter loose on the board to do the rest, it usually rips up & reroutes some of the high speed trace work that you manually routed. |
| 02:19.22 | TomW | not usefull. |
| 02:19.47 | TomW | IMO |
| 02:20.13 | sorphin | ~cluebat TomW |
| 02:20.15 | | ACTION pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps TomW. |
| 02:20.30 | file | ~lart file |
| 02:20.37 | TomW | thanks, but I already have several clues... |
| 02:20.43 | sorphin | TomW: apparently not |
| 02:20.48 | TomW | why so? |
| 02:21.53 | file | well - I have yet to see the e-mail regarding shipping cost on this Webpal! |
| 02:22.40 | sorphin | TomW: <TomW> sorphin: so, stop using 640x480 resolution and go higher. |
| 02:22.56 | TomW | oh, ok |
| 02:23.08 | file | I tried 640x480 one day, to see what it was like when I used it many years ago |
| 02:23.14 | file | it hurt my eyes, I didn't know how I survived |
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| 02:24.53 | file | The UPS Store? |
| 02:24.56 | file | oh my |
| 02:28.21 | sorphin | kergoth: re |
| 02:28.43 | chouimat | mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm beer |
| 02:29.06 | file | chouimat: estimated time till you lapse into a beer delirious state? |
| 02:29.20 | chouimat | ffile3minutes |
| 02:29.31 | file | scary |
| 02:30.09 | MonMotha | file: 640x480 is quite nice to my eyes actually since I can crank the refresh up so high |
| 02:30.24 | file | MonMotha: you scare me more |
| 02:30.42 | MonMotha | TomW`ZZzz: yeah, I didn't plan on actually USING the autorouter, just playing with it :) |
| 02:30.56 | TomW`ZZzz | k |
| 02:31.05 | MonMotha | I'm only running at a max of 12MHz too :) |
| 02:31.14 | file | I regret that I soon am leaving |
| 02:31.45 | MonMotha | needless to say, I doubt it will even work at that speed on the protoboard |
| 02:34.48 | file | Goodnight everyone |
| 02:35.59 | sorphin | night file |
| 02:36.05 | chouimat | bye file |
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| 03:08.46 | MrHim | Anyone here playing with a webpal and TomW's build-root? |
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| 03:45.18 | TimRiker | eve. fighting with comcast cable. |
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| 05:23.06 | sorphin | TimRiker: cable sucks ;) |
| 05:56.12 | TimRiker | sorphin: need to get a mrtg page up to report uptimes soon. ;-) |
| 05:57.04 | sorphin | hehe |
| 06:05.59 | TimRiker | time to upgrade router firmware... bbiab |
| 06:06.04 | sorphin | nod |
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| 06:27.47 | sorphin | TimRiker: re |
| 06:29.08 | TimRiker | still having wierd dns issues. |
| 06:29.17 | TimRiker | ~nslookup irc.oftc.net |
| 06:29.19 | sorphin | hmm |
| 06:29.47 | TimRiker | shows 179.181.122.192 here |
| 06:30.37 | sorphin | umm |
| 06:30.42 | sorphin | prolly a rotation |
| 06:30.52 | sorphin | Name: irc.oftc.net |
| 06:30.52 | sorphin | Addresses: 217.204.76.170, 212.13.197.208 |
| 06:30.54 | sorphin | that's what i show |
| 06:31.05 | sorphin | just from nslookup |
| 06:31.23 | sorphin | *** mewp.rfc.captainrock.com can't find 179.181.122.192: Non-existent host/domain |
| 06:31.29 | sorphin | no reverse on 179 |
| 06:31.36 | TimRiker | no. can't get to 179.181.122.192 at all. shows the same IP for other names from time to time. |
| 06:31.59 | sorphin | weird |
| 06:32.09 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:32.16 | sorphin | taht's where i stop for 179.x |
| 06:32.21 | TimRiker | cache screwed up someplace. could be attbi.com could be comcast, could be the UStec in-house router. |
| 06:32.24 | sorphin | dunno what that 179 actually is |
| 06:32.29 | sorphin | but it's unrouteable to me |
| 06:33.11 | sorphin | uhhhhh |
| 06:33.14 | sorphin | 179.181.122.192 |
| 06:33.16 | TimRiker | nmap shows that the in-house router is running linux. probably 2.2.x |
| 06:33.16 | sorphin | is reserved |
| 06:33.33 | sorphin | 179.x.x.x are teh class b reserved addrs |
| 06:34.09 | sorphin | or are reserved in general |
| 06:34.10 | sorphin | i dunno |
| 06:34.28 | sorphin | all i know is i can't get to that block ,and oftc is the ips i pasted above |
| 06:34.36 | TimRiker | hmm. I was thinking it was only 179.0.0.0/10 or something. |
| 06:35.07 | sorphin | NetRange: 179.0.0.0 - 179.255.255.255 |
| 06:35.07 | sorphin | CIDR: 179.0.0.0/8 |
| 06:35.13 | sorphin | according to arin |
| 06:35.52 | TimRiker | ah... that's 172.(16-31) which are non-routable. 179 must be something else. |
| 06:37.00 | sorphin | i dunno |
| 06:37.06 | sorphin | arin lists the above as 'reserved' |
| 06:37.23 | sorphin | doh |
| 06:37.24 | sorphin | i see |
| 06:37.30 | sorphin | reserved for IANA |
| 06:38.07 | sorphin | 179 is unrouteable for me tho |
| 06:38.35 | sorphin | anyways |
| 06:42.52 | sorphin | got the gem |
| 06:42.54 | sorphin | grr |
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| 06:49.28 | sorphin | uh oh, it's that bzflag character ;) |
| 06:49.47 | sorphin | always tryin to pawn off his game ;) |
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| 06:52.47 | TimRiker | sucky ustec hardware. I can see I'll have to nuke it soon. |
| 06:56.23 | sorphin | never heard of it |
| 07:04.06 | TimRiker | www.ustecnet.com or www.ustec.co.jp preinstall home electronics |
| 07:04.44 | sorphin | ah |
| 07:04.54 | sorphin | tho from your fun |
| 07:04.58 | sorphin | sounds like what not to buy ;) |
| 07:13.35 | TimRiker | heh. I'll just kick it in the head and use the 9 port 10/100 switch but not the nat portion. just have to get a linux server setup. |
| 07:13.36 | TimRiker | nite |
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| 10:49.36 | file | ade|indy: I'm after you!!!! |
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| 12:34.22 | TomW | it is snowing here, again! |
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| 13:03.40 | mallum | sorphin: greetings from the mothership |
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| 13:13.25 | sorphin | morn: re |
| 13:15.52 | Morn | :-) |
| 13:16.31 | Morn | how is everyone? |
| 13:16.50 | sorphin | prepareing to leave for hell^H^H^H^Hwork |
| 13:16.53 | sorphin | -e |
| 13:17.11 | Morn | I start the new job tomorrow afternoon |
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| 14:11.29 | sieve | morning all |
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| 15:09.07 | MicroChip32 | anyone here help with a 'broken' tuxscreen ? |
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| 15:56.13 | tmbinc | hi |
| 15:58.46 | tmbinc | anyone here who can help me creating flt-executables for uclinux on arm? my kernel works ok (on an arm7tdmi), but a simple "hello world" just crashes |
| 15:59.05 | tmbinc | i think my toolchain must be broken in some way... |
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| 16:05.42 | kergoth | i am! :) |
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| 16:08.57 | sieve | 'lo kergoth |
| 16:10.24 | kergoth | hey sieve |
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| 16:32.05 | MicroChip32 | MORN !!! |
| 16:32.12 | Morn | wow! |
| 16:32.16 | MicroChip32 | ltns |
| 16:32.16 | Morn | your back |
| 16:32.23 | Morn | I thought you dropped off the planet |
| 16:32.34 | Morn | did you hear I got a real job? |
| 16:33.12 | MicroChip32 | job? whats a job? LOL well ive been doing a bit of stuff here and there, but no, not any regular employment |
| 16:33.45 | MicroChip32 | and yea i fell off the planet, in more ways than one |
| 16:34.25 | MicroChip32 | finally pulled my tux outa mothballs and trying to get the stupid thing jtag'd |
| 16:34.46 | Morn | I got a job as Director of IT for a small non-profit |
| 16:35.11 | MicroChip32 | kewl, need an assistant ? <G> |
| 16:35.24 | Morn | grin |
| 16:35.30 | Morn | I start tomorrow |
| 16:35.39 | Morn | I've been moving this weekend |
| 16:35.42 | Morn | I'm beat |
| 16:35.43 | MicroChip32 | fun |
| 16:41.19 | MicroChip32 | bah! ok i think thats the end of that tux :( |
| 16:43.40 | MicroChip32 | morn, are capacitors and diodes supposed to 'leak' smoke ? <G> |
| 16:44.52 | Morn | MicroChip32: if you let the magic smoke out they don't work any more |
| 16:45.22 | MicroChip32 | id heard that, hrm, i wonder if there's any left in em |
| 16:46.12 | MicroChip32 | now if only i knew what i had wrong, i didnt change anything :( |
| 16:47.42 | MicroChip32 | shit, cap looks ok, looks like i may have cooked an inductor ... L300 on the main board :( |
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| 16:53.24 | kergoth | hey andersee |
| 17:01.24 | andersee | kergoth: morning |
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| 17:10.36 | MicroChip32 | anyone have schems for the tuxscreen ? |
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| 17:16.23 | chouimat | hi] |
| 17:24.37 | GPSFan | MicroChip32: there used to be a wiki page for the schematics, but it seems to have vanished. try looking here though. http://tuxscreen.net/download/schematics/ |
| 17:25.59 | GPSFan | MicroChip32: ah, here it is: http://tuxscreen.net/wiki/view/ScheMatics |
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| 17:31.52 | MicroChip32 | GPSFan thanks lemme see if it has what i need |
| 17:33.30 | MicroChip32 | hrm, shit now which one of those has the part of the board i need LOL |
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| 17:45.52 | MicroChip32 | well, now i need to know the part value, so i know how much "magic smoke" to put back in it :( |
| 17:49.09 | sorphin | MicroChip32: which one? :P |
| 17:49.43 | MicroChip32 | well two actually, but L300, and maybe C300, on the right hand side of the main tux board |
| 17:50.24 | MicroChip32 | L300 at least "sprung a leak" and let its magic smoke out :( |
| 17:51.21 | sorphin | ah |
| 17:51.48 | sorphin | at work atm so i can't measure C300 for you.. |
| 17:51.53 | sorphin | and i don't have an inductance meter |
| 17:51.59 | sorphin | so i can't help on L300 |
| 17:53.00 | MicroChip32 | c300 looks like 100uf 1.0 (or maybe 10) v |
| 17:53.11 | MicroChip32 | but cant read the color bands on L300 |
| 17:53.30 | sorphin | it's gonna be atleast 10v (C300) |
| 17:53.34 | sorphin | or 16 |
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| 17:53.41 | MicroChip32 | no its def a one and a zero |
| 17:53.43 | sorphin | chouimat: tsk tsk |
| 17:53.45 | chouimat | join #zaurus |
| 17:53.54 | sorphin | chouimat: irc'ing as root is a nono |
| 17:55.03 | *** join/#elinux Morn (Julie@166.180.9.40) |
| 17:55.10 | sorphin | Morn: re |
| 17:55.27 | Morn | re's |
| 17:55.33 | *** join/#elinux chouimat (~dieu@modemcable120.184-130-66.que.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 17:55.33 | Morn | I think I just hosed my wireless router |
| 17:55.41 | sorphin | chouimat: good boy ;) |
| 17:55.45 | sorphin | Morn: doh |
| 17:55.56 | Morn | I was putting MAC filtering in |
| 17:56.01 | sorphin | uh oh |
| 17:56.06 | MicroChip32 | lol Morn, yer not supposed to do that |
| 17:56.10 | Morn | and I hit one of the buttons before specifying any valid MAC address |
| 17:56.11 | sorphin | yeah |
| 17:56.18 | sorphin | even my dslmodem they say not to turn that on |
| 17:56.20 | chouimat | sorphin: :P |
| 17:56.21 | MicroChip32 | lol oops |
| 17:56.22 | Morn | so now nothing can connect to it |
| 17:56.24 | sorphin | otherwise you have to console into it |
| 17:56.36 | sorphin | cuz there's no other way ot turn it off |
| 17:56.42 | Morn | doh! |
| 17:56.44 | sorphin | never ever use mac filtering ;) |
| 17:56.47 | sorphin | ever |
| 17:57.01 | sorphin | i dunno why they put that crap in :P |
| 17:57.03 | Morn | it seemed like a good idea for a wireless access point |
| 17:57.17 | sorphin | Morn: and now you see otherwise, right? ;) |
| 17:57.26 | Morn | doh! |
| 17:57.47 | sorphin | MicroChip32: careful what you say ;) |
| 17:58.02 | sorphin | or i'll sick ibot on ;) |
| 17:58.03 | MicroChip32 | yea i know, mixed company and all LOL |
| 17:58.04 | sorphin | you |
| 17:58.15 | sorphin | ~lart microchip32 |
| 17:58.37 | sorphin | a waste of perfectly good VAXen too ;p |
| 17:58.44 | MicroChip32 | lol |
| 17:59.02 | sorphin | never worked on a VAX ? |
| 17:59.21 | sorphin | workhorse piece of hardware |
| 17:59.25 | MicroChip32 | dont think so, dunno, worked on a fair number of unidentifyied remote machines |
| 17:59.40 | sorphin | vaxen lived in clusters, mostly at uni's |
| 17:59.46 | sorphin | ran VMS/CMS |
| 18:00.03 | sorphin | anyways |
| 18:00.08 | sorphin | retro moment there |
| 18:00.08 | MicroChip32 | yea, dont ~think~ ive encounted any vms, so prolly not |
| 18:00.12 | MicroChip32 | hehehehe |
| 18:00.30 | MicroChip32 | yea reminds me of "the coocoo's egg" book |
| 18:00.39 | sorphin | as far as your L300 |
| 18:00.51 | sorphin | if gpsfan ever wakes back up, or TomW appears |
| 18:00.56 | sorphin | either one might be able to measure |
| 18:01.08 | chouimat | ok I need to reinstall that box ... |
| 18:01.14 | MicroChip32 | kewl. i wanna get this book-end jtag'd |
| 18:01.31 | sorphin | MicroChip32: i have 2 bookends myself :P |
| 18:01.37 | sorphin | they're called Webpals |
| 18:01.38 | sorphin | :P |
| 18:01.42 | MicroChip32 | lol |
| 18:02.08 | sorphin | smoked yours too huh? |
| 18:02.57 | MicroChip32 | hehe yea not sure what happened but tried loading the updated tux code (before linuxing it) and it croaked on reboot |
| 18:03.12 | sorphin | erm |
| 18:03.15 | MicroChip32 | i'd done it a few times, so i KNOW it worked, but that time it croaked |
| 18:03.22 | sorphin | the tuxes were easy |
| 18:03.33 | sorphin | and i've jtag'd my tuxes before |
| 18:03.41 | sorphin | straight from the parallel port ;) |
| 18:03.50 | chouimat | sorphin: made the jtag cable? |
| 18:04.01 | MicroChip32 | hehe well i was trying when L300 leaked |
| 18:04.34 | sorphin | mico: did you use a straight cable or a proper adapter? |
| 18:04.40 | sorphin | MicroChip32: did you use a straight cable or a proper adapter? |
| 18:04.54 | sorphin | chouimat: no.. i'm still a bit leary about what they're doing |
| 18:05.13 | sorphin | chouimat: tying pin 11 to pin 13 while pin 8 is still attached |
| 18:05.20 | sorphin | is a direct (indirectly) short |
| 18:05.27 | MicroChip32 | hadnt gotten so far as to connect the cable, had just put the thing back together after checking the m/b side wiring |
| 18:06.01 | chouimat | sorphin: ok ... |
| 18:06.01 | sorphin | mico: only reason i was able to jtag w/ just a straight cable and 1 resistor |
| 18:06.01 | sorphin | is my parallel port is +3.3v |
| 18:06.26 | sorphin | chouimat: i dunno, being an EE, that just doesn't sit right w/ me |
| 18:06.32 | MicroChip32 | but anyway sorphin, was gonna use the means as defined in the "jtag-lart-schematic.pdf" |
| 18:06.43 | sorphin | if that old geezer TomW would wake up |
| 18:06.48 | sorphin | i'd get his take |
| 18:07.33 | sorphin | TomW: wake up old timer |
| 18:08.03 | sorphin | MicroChip32: he's old.. prolly wears depends |
| 18:08.06 | Morn | there is a way to restore factory defaults |
| 18:08.06 | Morn | :-) |
| 18:08.14 | sorphin | Morn: good, is it easy? |
| 18:08.44 | Morn | yeah, just hold the reset down for more than 5 secons |
| 18:08.45 | Morn | seconds |
| 18:08.49 | sorphin | ah |
| 18:09.09 | MicroChip32 | morn, will that reset my leaky part too? <grin> |
| 18:09.11 | sorphin | [mbm] just finally abandoned stinksys APs |
| 18:09.28 | sorphin | ~cluebat MicroChip32 |
| 18:09.29 | | ACTION pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps MicroChip32. |
| 18:09.39 | sorphin | ibot: botsnack |
| 18:09.39 | | sorphin: thanks |
| 18:10.10 | chouimat | sorphin: sorry was on another box ... I screwed it up last night |
| 18:10.19 | *** mode/#eLinux [+o sorphin] by ChanServ |
| 18:10.29 | sorphin | MicroChip32: you were saying? ;) |
| 18:11.04 | chouimat | sorphin: I did CS and now I'm wondering why I didn't do EE |
| 18:11.09 | sorphin | chouimat: you been playing at r00t again? |
| 18:11.43 | sorphin | MicroChip32: quit hitting on the regulars ;) |
| 18:11.48 | chouimat | sorphin: nah! just updated the box ... but I finished at 5h00am |
| 18:12.16 | MicroChip32 | sorphin im an old regular too, just been away for several months, like since last summer |
| 18:12.55 | sorphin | MicroChip32: in what channel? :P i never saw you in #tuxscreen |
| 18:13.02 | sorphin | chouimat: uh huh |
| 18:13.12 | MicroChip32 | yep i was there sorphin, ask Morn :) |
| 18:13.37 | sorphin | MicroChip32: i could ask ibot too ;) |
| 18:14.56 | MicroChip32 | bots are notorious for being forgetful :p |
| 18:15.04 | MicroChip32 | especially that one LOL |
| 18:15.10 | sorphin | actually i was gonna look in his logs ;) |
| 18:15.23 | sorphin | tim still archives |
| 18:16.48 | MicroChip32 | hehe i have some logs of chats with both bz and morn |
| 18:18.39 | sorphin | chouimat: nonetheless, even if i make the cable |
| 18:19.10 | sorphin | chouimat: i'm still SOL until spencer coughs on the rest of the doc and/or that missing jflash from sharp appears |
| 18:19.53 | *** join/#elinux Julie (~Julie@166.180.9.194) |
| 18:21.27 | sorphin | Julie: all workie now? |
| 18:21.40 | Julie | all workie |
| 18:21.45 | Julie | And properly enabled this time |
| 18:22.25 | MicroChip32 | lucky you jules, hey tell sorphin that i really was a regular in tuxscreen |
| 18:22.28 | Julie | now the question is should I try to get the aircard working with linux on the laptop, or should I just give up and live with the laptop for now |
| 18:22.43 | Julie | sorphin: an eon ago, MicroChip32 was around all the time |
| 18:22.51 | sorphin | ah |
| 18:22.55 | MicroChip32 | eon? LOL |
| 18:23.00 | Julie | then one day while discusing making a DivX of Swordfish he disappeared |
| 18:23.51 | sorphin | heh |
| 18:24.12 | MicroChip32 | hrm, my log says we was discussing shower cams |
| 18:24.12 | Julie | or was it Matrix |
| 18:24.16 | Julie | it was one of those |
| 18:24.39 | MicroChip32 | matrix |
| 18:25.03 | Julie | did you see the new matrix movie is out next month |
| 18:25.05 | Julie | I can't wait |
| 18:25.08 | MicroChip32 | and it was, yikes, december '01 |
| 18:25.15 | MicroChip32 | yep and another matrix this fall |
| 18:26.31 | Julie | I have the first one |
| 18:26.40 | MicroChip32 | well, at least if 2 and 3 are as good as #1 |
| 18:26.43 | sorphin | Julie: most do ;) |
| 18:26.46 | Julie | I can't wait til the first 3 star wars movies come out on DVD |
| 18:26.56 | Julie | sigh |
| 18:27.01 | sorphin | ju; you'll be waiting a while |
| 18:27.08 | sorphin | Julie: you'll be waiting a while |
| 18:27.13 | Julie | I know |
| 18:27.14 | sorphin | AND htey won't be the originals |
| 18:27.21 | sorphin | they'll be the relucas'd ones |
| 18:27.21 | Julie | But, I can't help but hope |
| 18:27.33 | sorphin | the 'enhanced' ones |
| 18:27.33 | MicroChip32 | i want all the indiana jones movies on dvd |
| 18:27.45 | sorphin | MicroChip32: that's another one he's gonna mess up |
| 18:30.16 | MicroChip32 | and it looks like theyre gonna make a whole similar series out of tomb raider |
| 18:30.16 | sorphin | MicroChip32: incase you haven't seen |
| 18:30.16 | sorphin | Tom King: |
| 18:30.16 | sorphin | E.T. is finally out on DVD after a long wait. Fans of Indiana Jones are hoping "Raiders of the Lost Ark" won't be far behind, but Paramount is mum. Can you fill us in? |
| 18:30.16 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:30.16 | sorphin | Steven Spielberg: |
| 18:30.16 | sorphin | We're aiming for next fall. George Lucas and I are having an argument with Paramount. Paramount wants to come out with all three [Indiana Jones] movies in one package. George [writer and producer of "Raiders"] and I want to come out with one film at a time and then come out with all three movies, and maybe even the fourth one, in one package later. (Paramount says there is no argument and discussions are ongoing.) |
| 18:30.16 | MicroChip32 | only 3 raiders movies?? i thot there were half a dozen or so |
| 18:30.17 | sorphin | MicroChip32: young indiana jones doesn't count |
| 18:30.23 | MicroChip32 | ah ok, and i want those too |
| 18:30.33 | sorphin | i thikn you can already get those :P |
| 18:30.49 | MicroChip32 | i wouldnt know, dont even have a dvd player yet |
| 18:31.25 | sorphin | heh |
| 18:31.40 | sorphin | Morn is the dvd copying queen now ;) |
| 18:32.08 | sorphin | Julie: i still haven't tried dvd2one 1.1.1 or whatever now |
| 18:32.22 | sorphin | rotfl |
| 18:34.01 | Julie | sorphin: I used it some, and even did a full disc copy, but haven't watched it yet |
| 18:34.07 | Julie | with the move I just haven't had time |
| 18:34.11 | sorphin | yeah |
| 18:34.21 | sorphin | i just wish i could get one of em working right |
| 18:34.32 | sorphin | so i can offload these damn dvd9 movies |
| 18:34.34 | MicroChip32 | where'd ya move to morn ? |
| 18:34.52 | Julie | Northampton, MA |
| 18:35.24 | MicroChip32 | nuts, too far away |
| 18:35.38 | sorphin | rotfl |
| 18:35.49 | sorphin | Julie: i think this guy has a thing for you :P |
| 18:36.02 | Julie | sorphin: nah, he just wants my DVD's |
| 18:37.05 | Julie | I'm not exactly a very attractive woman, so I doubt anyone would be after me for that reason |
| 18:37.42 | MicroChip32 | heh, i still have that pic of you. yer not exactly scary ya know |
| 18:37.51 | Julie | thanks |
| 18:38.03 | sorphin | MicroChip32: it a pic other than the one on hte couch? |
| 18:38.21 | Julie | sorphin: that's about the only I really have |
| 18:38.24 | MicroChip32 | the one of her and old boyfriend and a cute kid |
| 18:38.25 | Julie | I'm very camera shy |
| 18:38.45 | sorphin | ah |
| 18:39.01 | MicroChip32 | couldnt get her to give me a shower pic :p |
| 18:39.08 | sorphin | ROTFL |
| 18:39.14 | Julie | doh! |
| 18:39.18 | sorphin | MicroChip32: that's going a lil far |
| 18:39.26 | MicroChip32 | lol sorphin, ya think ? |
| 18:39.29 | sorphin | even tim would frown at that one :P |
| 18:39.41 | MicroChip32 | why would i want a shower pic of tim ?? |
| 18:39.44 | sorphin | no |
| 18:39.50 | sorphin | i mean your comment :P |
| 18:39.59 | MicroChip32 | oh, lol |
| 18:40.09 | sorphin | he frowns on language, so.. |
| 18:41.12 | TomW | YO! Did someone say there is a *new* Matrix movie coming out?! |
| 18:41.19 | sorphin | TomW: there you are |
| 18:41.33 | MicroChip32 | two of em TomW |
| 18:41.33 | sorphin | MicroChip32: ask and you shall receive ;) |
| 18:41.48 | TomW | whoa! cool! |
| 18:41.58 | MicroChip32 | one comin out in a week or so, and the other sometime this fall |
| 18:42.01 | sorphin | TomW: you must nap too much ;) |
| 18:42.17 | sorphin | the fact about the 2 movies is old news ;) |
| 18:42.19 | sorphin | last year |
| 18:42.24 | TomW | sorphin: naw, was gabbing on the phone to a couple of friends. |
| 18:42.25 | MicroChip32 | hey tom, sorphin was tellin me you might be able to answer sumfin for me |
| 18:42.38 | TomW | MicroChip32: uhoh |
| 18:42.40 | Julie | it's bad when you can speak parts of a language but not spell the words |
| 18:42.46 | sorphin | TomW: he lst the smoke out of his tux |
| 18:42.53 | TomW | LOL |
| 18:42.53 | sorphin | L300 and possibly C300 |
| 18:43.04 | sorphin | i can't measure inductance even if i was at home |
| 18:43.09 | TomW | MicroChip32: you cannot run the Tux without the "magic smoke". |
| 18:43.10 | sorphin | so i couldn't help w/ L300 |
| 18:43.10 | MicroChip32 | yea, they put a leaky part in my tux :( |
| 18:43.21 | sorphin | figured you might be able to measure that |
| 18:43.41 | TomW | what is L300? I don't recall |
| 18:43.53 | sorphin | L = inductor |
| 18:43.59 | sorphin | :P |
| 18:44.09 | sorphin | says right side of mainboard |
| 18:44.10 | MicroChip32 | not sure, its in the 1200 pdf part c, and on the right hand side of the main board |
| 18:44.15 | sorphin | or somesuch |
| 18:44.47 | MicroChip32 | oops, part b |
| 18:45.03 | MicroChip32 | nope right the first time, part c |
| 18:45.25 | sorphin | MicroChip32: make up your mind, you'll confuse him, remember, he's old ;) |
| 18:45.48 | MicroChip32 | looks like part of the power supply circuit |
| 18:45.55 | sorphin | oh fun |
| 18:46.48 | TomW | brown, brown, gold. I have to look that up, inductor markings are different than resistors. |
| 18:47.00 | sorphin | yup |
| 18:47.27 | sorphin | TomW: and he couldnt quite make out what's on C300 either |
| 18:47.30 | MicroChip32 | well at least you can READ the markings on yours, i cant LOL |
| 18:47.50 | MicroChip32 | c300 looks like 100uF 1.0 or 10v |
| 18:47.51 | sorphin | MicroChip32: well, don't let the magic smoke out, and you'd be able to ;) |
| 18:47.53 | TomW | IIRC, that is 1.1uh, but I will check |
| 18:48.28 | MicroChip32 | sorphin i didnt let it out, it leaked. inferior parts aparently :p |
| 18:48.57 | sorphin | TomW: found a reference |
| 18:49.01 | sorphin | if it's brown brown gold |
| 18:49.19 | sorphin | it's 1.1 w/ a .1 / Mil. Dec Pt. |
| 18:49.26 | sorphin | http://www.elexp.com/t_induct.htm |
| 18:51.18 | TomW | 11 uh |
| 18:51.50 | TomW | But, I don't think that it is being used as an inductor, but rather a low current fuse. |
| 18:52.03 | sorphin | and seeing as he popped that "fuse" |
| 18:52.08 | sorphin | i'd suspect other probs |
| 18:52.09 | MicroChip32 | that makes sense |
| 18:52.30 | TomW | seems to be on a power feed to the LCD. |
| 18:52.39 | *** mode/#eLinux [-o sorphin] by sorphin |
| 18:52.43 | MicroChip32 | yea i figured i prolly got didnt have sumfin screwed down right and sumfin shorted |
| 18:52.54 | TomW | s//in series with the power feed to the LCD/ |
| 18:53.08 | MicroChip32 | is it 11uH or 1.1uH ? |
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| 18:53.28 | sorphin | 11 |
| 18:54.03 | file | boo everyone |
| 18:54.09 | MicroChip32 | brown brown gold looks like 1.1 to me |
| 18:54.15 | file | got the shipping reply back, $33 USD for USPS Airmail |
| 18:54.26 | TomW | MicroChip32: schematic of the LCD connector: http://www.openhardware.net/TuxScreen/perf-schematic1.pdf |
| 18:54.47 | sorphin | file: told ya ;) |
| 18:55.08 | file | $26 for Ground (hey - like I'd use that again!) |
| 18:55.15 | file | and $63 for Fedex |
| 18:55.17 | sorphin | MicroChip32: multiplier |
| 18:55.26 | sorphin | file: for fedex gnd ? |
| 18:55.44 | sorphin | file: you did know fedex has gnd (and it's more reliable than ups) right? |
| 18:56.06 | MicroChip32 | brown brown would be 11, multiplier 0.1 == 1.1 |
| 18:56.09 | file | sorphin: yes but I'd have to get involved with getting my own customs broker and stuff |
| 18:56.36 | sorphin | MicroChip32: you didn't read that all did you? |
| 18:56.46 | sorphin | .1/Mil. Dec. Pt. |
| 18:57.11 | file | sorphin: he apparently has more though so if I lose on the auction, he'll sell me one at what I bid |
| 18:57.20 | sorphin | cool |
| 18:57.34 | MicroChip32 | ok so what am i not seeing sorphin ? |
| 18:57.42 | file | (nudge to anyone who didn't get a Webpal and wants one) |
| 18:57.51 | TomW | MicroChip32: yeah, it is on the 3.3v supply to the LCD connector. |
| 18:58.03 | TomW | it is a low current fuse. |
| 18:58.09 | sorphin | TomW: explain to our young friend |
| 18:58.40 | TomW | MicroChip32: so, you got any floppy / ide cabling around? The flat ribbon cable? |
| 18:59.05 | MicroChip32 | got all sorts of stuff around, why, gonna tell me how to make a substitute fuse ? |
| 19:00.19 | file | copy/paste from e-mail: |
| 19:00.19 | file | It's a neat box with lots of stuff, but if you bid much more than $10, the item plus the shipping might be getting past the point of fun. |
| 19:00.24 | file | :) |
| 19:00.26 | MicroChip32 | im now thinking what happened is i plugged the screen cables in one pin off |
| 19:00.47 | TomW | yes, strip out a wire from an old Flat Ribbon Cable (IDE, Parallel, RS232, Floppy, whatever), strip back the insulation and get ONE STRAND of that wire. Use that strand, not the whole freakin' wire, one strand and use that to solder a jumper across L300. |
| 19:01.02 | TomW | MicroChip32: effectively, you are "replacing the fuse". |
| 19:01.41 | MicroChip32 | one strand of one multi-strand conductor of one multi-conductor ribbon ... right ? |
| 19:02.20 | file | Q: What are you talking about? |
| 19:02.35 | TomW | Don't be tempted to use 28 / 30ga wire wrap wire, it is too heavy and will pass too much current before it blows (over 1 Amp), use the single strand, it is fine enough to carry only about 100 .. 200 ma before it will blow. |
| 19:02.48 | MicroChip32 | file: one of my parts sprung a leak and let out the magic smoke |
| 19:03.23 | MicroChip32 | TomW: cool, i can do that easy enough |
| 19:03.25 | TomW | MicroChip32: yes, one strand of the multi strand wires. As they say: thinner than sorphin's hair. |
| 19:03.40 | MicroChip32 | lol |
| 19:03.44 | file | lol |
| 19:04.10 | sorphin | TomW: don't make me beat you with your cane again gramps |
| 19:04.16 | sorphin | least i still have hair |
| 19:04.22 | MicroChip32 | with all the magic smoke i let out of parts, i oughta invent something to re-inject that smoke into parts :) |
| 19:04.36 | TomW | morn: what is the URL for your shower webcam? ;) |
| 19:04.53 | sorphin | ~lart TomW for being a dirty old man |
| 19:05.07 | GPSFan | hi all, TomW is correct about the L300, it's 1.1uh and used as a fuse. C300 is 100uF @10V. Keep the smoke inside! ;>) |
| 19:05.21 | file | haha! I've got more hair than any of you, and I still have a long life ahead of me! |
| 19:05.41 | MicroChip32 | hi GPSFan, yea but its hard to keep the smoke inside of faulty parts :p |
| 19:05.42 | sorphin | file: don't push your luck |
| 19:05.50 | sorphin | GPSFan: um.. tomw said it was 11uH :P |
| 19:06.25 | MicroChip32 | not if its brown brown gold it aint |
| 19:06.51 | sorphin | well, i'm at work and my brain got smoked after the shit i had to fix this morning :P |
| 19:06.53 | MicroChip32 | not that it matters if i use tom's sorphin-hair solution |
| 19:07.06 | TomW | Gold band is used as a Tolerance, not as Multiplier on inductors. |
| 19:07.36 | sorphin | TomW: looked here btw ? http://www.elexp.com/t_induct.htm |
| 19:07.58 | *** join/#elinux Julie_ (Julie@166.180.9.194) |
| 19:08.00 | TomW | MicroChip32: Well, either the LCD is now toasted, or the analog board is. Not to worry, mate, I happen to have a spare of each, for a price. |
| 19:08.24 | MicroChip32 | lol TomW, ummm i got $0.50 will that do it ? |
| 19:08.39 | TomW | sorphin: no, I looked in the ARRL Handbook. |
| 19:08.52 | GPSFan | sorphin: I tried to measure it and it was too low for my RLC meter. the LSD of which is 1uh, so I'd have to say 1.1 vs 11 from a measurement standpoint. |
| 19:08.56 | sorphin | TomW: i meant does that page agree w/ you |
| 19:09.13 | sorphin | GPSFan: i can't even measure inductance |
| 19:09.16 | TomW | MicroChip32: that will pay for the postage on my letter of condolance... |
| 19:09.37 | MicroChip32 | lol TomW |
| 19:10.17 | TomW | MicroChip32: If it comes to that, it would be reasonable, not the $100 sorphin would charge you. |
| 19:10.37 | sorphin | tomw/gpsfan: i'm a bit rusty.. how easy you think i'd be to make up an L meter as an adapter for my nice meter that measures everything else? |
| 19:10.50 | sorphin | TomW: ok, that's it, you're eating your teeth |
| 19:11.00 | sorphin | ~bitchslap TomW |
| 19:11.01 | | ACTION beats the sh*t out of TomW |
| 19:11.01 | GPSFan | sorphin: found a wavetek DM27XT at a swapmeet a few years back, it had a shorted sparkgap, works fine, measures RLC, freq, etc. $5.00 |
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| 19:11.16 | sorphin | GPSFan: heh |
| 19:11.20 | TomW | heh |
| 19:11.27 | TomW | ibot: missed me |
| 19:11.27 | | TomW: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 19:11.31 | MicroChip32 | stupid isp |
| 19:12.44 | TomW | MicroChip32: WN3L |
| 19:13.09 | MicroChip32 | kewl TomW, kc8aco |
| 19:13.30 | sorphin | TomW/MicroChip32: KB0OLZ |
| 19:14.13 | TomW | sorphin: lol, that spells more like an exclaimation of some kind other than a ham call, doesn't it? |
| 19:14.46 | TomW | MicroChip32: yeah, 2 mtrs sux, so I do irc now. :( |
| 19:14.48 | mallum | hi all |
| 19:14.59 | sorphin | TomW: heh |
| 19:15.06 | sorphin | TomW: bite me |
| 19:15.07 | TomW | mallum: hello, we are beating sorphin up today, join in! |
| 19:15.10 | sorphin | mallum: evening |
| 19:15.42 | *** mode/#eLinux [+o sorphin] by ChanServ |
| 19:15.43 | MicroChip32 | lol TomW i dunno which is worse, 2m or irc |
| 19:15.43 | TomW | uhoh |
| 19:15.43 | MicroChip32 | prolly depends on where you are, in both cases |
| 19:15.55 | *** kick/#elinux [TomW!sorphin@adsl-64-218-79-41.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net] by sorphin (persistant harrassment :P) |
| 19:16.40 | mallum | This is totally OT, but but I put a new bigger disk in my CATS machine and dd'd the old disk across but when booting from it df only gives 4Gig ( old disk sized ), yet fdisk gives 20gig for the same partion |
| 19:16.40 | *** mode/#eLinux [-o sorphin] by sorphin |
| 19:18.11 | *** join/#elinux MicroChip (~mc@ppp045.cy.centurytel.net) |
| 19:18.26 | MicroChip32 | blah |
| 19:20.30 | *** join/#elinux WN3L_ (tom@144seg-pc-1919-4.cmts.sth.ptd.net) |
| 19:20.37 | WN3L_ | heh |
| 19:21.00 | *** join/#elinux TomW (tom@144seg-pc-1919-4.cmts.sth.ptd.net) |
| 19:21.08 | sorphin | TomW: showoff |
| 19:21.41 | kb0olz | :P |
| 19:21.52 | MicroChip32 | TomW should i snip out the dead L300 and replace it, or just wire right across it |
| 19:22.13 | TomW | MicroChip32: wire across it |
| 19:22.19 | MicroChip32 | ok |
| 19:22.23 | sorphin | MicroChip32: and visually chekc everything else |
| 19:22.28 | TomW | use the dead inductor to support the new wire. |
| 19:22.39 | sorphin | MicroChip32: if you have a meter that can measure caps |
| 19:22.42 | sorphin | i'd check C300 |
| 19:22.44 | MicroChip32 | sorphin already did that, dont see anything else that looks dead |
| 19:23.07 | TomW | MicroChip32: if anything, the LCD itself _may_ be dead. |
| 19:24.42 | GPSFan | MicroChip32: use an ohmmeter to check each side of L300 to ground for shorts. |
| 19:24.45 | TomW | MicroChip32: at least on IRC, you can ban offensive people, try doing that on 2 mtrs. |
| 19:24.45 | MicroChip32 | TomW the lcd lights up fine |
| 19:25.01 | TomW | MicroChip32: k, feel the wire, is it hot? |
| 19:25.06 | MicroChip32 | TomW: ban/2m LOL yea |
| 19:25.07 | sorphin | heh |
| 19:25.23 | sorphin | TomW: did you say ban? ;) |
| 19:25.41 | TomW | Old Spice, I don't use Ban. |
| 19:25.43 | MicroChip32 | tom, no power on it yet i aint got it wired in yet |
| 19:26.20 | TomW | MicroChip32: while you are there, you should see 3.3v on that jumper wire strand to GND. |
| 19:26.56 | sorphin | TomW: oh, now that i'm thinking of it |
| 19:27.04 | sorphin | got one for you too |
| 19:27.07 | TomW | sorphin: yea? |
| 19:27.14 | sorphin | TomW: the jtag cable for the Z |
| 19:27.21 | sorphin | by default in the cradle |
| 19:27.25 | TomW | Oh, where did you find that? |
| 19:27.27 | sorphin | pin 8 and 13 are tied together |
| 19:27.34 | sorphin | pin 8 is GND |
| 19:27.46 | sorphin | the CABLE ties pin 11 to 13 |
| 19:27.50 | sorphin | pin 11 is VCC |
| 19:27.53 | sorphin | this bothers me |
| 19:27.57 | MicroChip32 | TomW: measure the cap W/O power on the board right ? |
| 19:28.04 | sorphin | because now you have 11 tied to 8 via 13 |
| 19:28.09 | sorphin | aka short |
| 19:28.12 | sorphin | w/ no resistor |
| 19:28.47 | TomW | No, I wouldn't bother with the caps, just make sure that the 3.3v supply is still giving you 3.3volts. It probably is, but just check to be sure. |
| 19:29.33 | *** join/#elinux Julie_ (Julie@166.180.9.12) |
| 19:29.56 | MicroChip32 | where's a convenient ground, and do i need to have the lcd and stuff plugged in before powering it up ? |
| 19:30.27 | TomW | the metal can that houses the DSP is GND. |
| 19:30.32 | MicroChip32 | the metal sheild could be ground no ? |
| 19:30.34 | MicroChip32 | ye aok |
| 19:31.16 | TomW | no LCD needed, you are just checking the 3.3 to see if it is still ok. After all, you overloaded it and blew a part, so, you check the supply as General Practice. |
| 19:31.55 | TomW | Julie_: moved in yet? |
| 19:32.02 | Julie_ | TomW: Mostly |
| 19:32.08 | Julie_ | just hooking everyting up |
| 19:32.17 | Julie_ | I just took some pictures of the new place |
| 19:32.20 | TomW | Julie_: what is the URL of the shower webcam? |
| 19:32.39 | sorphin | TomW: stop being a dirty old man and answer my Q :P |
| 19:32.42 | Julie_ | http://127.0.0.1/webcam.php |
| 19:32.45 | sorphin | well, my statement |
| 19:32.50 | TomW | lol |
| 19:33.41 | TomW | sorphin: the pinouts you were referring to, is that the Tux JTAG to be connected to the Z? |
| 19:34.16 | sorphin | that's the jtag stuff for the Z itself |
| 19:34.38 | sorphin | pin 8 is tied to 13 internally in the cradle |
| 19:34.57 | sorphin | ya know |
| 19:35.03 | sorphin | i dunno why i don't think sometimes |
| 19:35.18 | TomW | Z? I thought you were talking about the DTC5000, sorry. |
| 19:35.20 | sorphin | if you're hooking up jtag, you're likely not hacking the cradle like i am |
| 19:35.30 | sorphin | so pin 8 being tied to 13 |
| 19:35.31 | TomW | No, I have no Z. |
| 19:35.31 | sorphin | won't matter |
| 19:35.46 | TomW | Z == Zaurus |
| 19:35.49 | sorphin | TomW: seems to be nothing going on w/ the DCT |
| 19:36.02 | sorphin | waste of $50 atm |
| 19:36.04 | TomW | no, been laying out a new ARM board. |
| 19:36.33 | TomW | sorphin: yeah, I suspect as much, but, it does have some nice flash chips I can salvage from it and use. |
| 19:36.39 | sorphin | heh |
| 19:36.51 | sorphin | if we can't do anything w/ it |
| 19:36.54 | file | nobody is doing much... |
| 19:36.56 | sorphin | i'm ebaying them |
| 19:37.00 | file | of anything |
| 19:37.04 | sorphin | maybe i'll get lucky and get my $50 back |
| 19:37.14 | TomW | but, I thought that GPSFan had a pictoral on the DTC5000 site that listed the JTAG pinout. |
| 19:37.25 | file | ibot: JTAG |
| 19:37.25 | | it has been said that jtag is http://TuxScreen.net/wiki/view/Main/jtag or http://www.lart.tudelft.nl/projects/jtag/ or order $20 usd dongles from http://www.aleph1.co.uk/armlinux/LART/ |
| 19:37.25 | sorphin | he does |
| 19:37.42 | sorphin | file: don't know what jtag means ? |
| 19:37.51 | file | sorphin: I wanted to know if ibot knew |
| 19:37.55 | sorphin | ah |
| 19:38.29 | TomW | sorphin: I'll have to think about how I am going to tackle the unit. I could use JTAG, but it is slow, I could use an EPROM emulator, but mine is only 8 bit. |
| 19:39.11 | TomW | sorphin: maybe, use a webpal simm and make an adaptor for it to plug into the 42 pin socket? |
| 19:39.28 | sorphin | heh |
| 19:39.53 | sorphin | TomW: umm.. isn't a masked rom just pinned slightly different? :P |
| 19:39.59 | sorphin | than a flash chip |
| 19:40.22 | TomW | or, build a board with a flash chip on it, then goto AP circuits and for $60 have them make it for me. That way, I can plug the board into both the DTC and the EMP-30 programmer. |
| 19:40.53 | sorphin | heh |
| 19:41.25 | TomW | I don't have any 16bit Flash memory laying around though, except in the webpal... |
| 19:41.37 | TomW | s/webpal/webpals/ |
| 19:41.38 | file | nooooooooooooooooooooooooo! |
| 19:41.42 | file | don't hurt your webpals! |
| 19:41.55 | tmbinc | by the way, are there any arm7 jtag tools which DONT use boundary scan? (sooo slow ...) (but instead the debugging features to write and read memory etc.) |
| 19:42.09 | TomW | Which, BTW, the webpal is interesting, but not very usefull. It does hookup to the TV, yes, but it is so slooooooooooooow! |
| 19:42.30 | TomW | tmbinc: blob |
| 19:42.38 | file | TomW: slow can be fun though. |
| 19:42.56 | sorphin | file: you're too young to know about that kinda fun ;p |
| 19:43.05 | file | sorphin: too bad |
| 19:43.15 | TomW | tmbinc: or something like that, there shouldn't be any good reason why blob cannot be ported to other platforms, but even blob can be slow. |
| 19:43.47 | file | sorphin: you have not that power sir sorphin! |
| 19:44.06 | TomW | tmbinc: you have to take what you (we) can afford. the alternative is a full blown ICE, that is the fastest development tool. |
| 19:44.13 | sorphin | file: i'm already there |
| 19:44.58 | TomW | sorphin: time to change jobs? (re: path of the dead). |
| 19:45.21 | file | muahahahahahahaha! |
| 19:45.22 | sorphin | TomW: heh, i need another job, trust me |
| 19:45.34 | sorphin | ~lart file |
| 19:45.34 | tmbinc | TomW: but blob isn't jtag, isn't it? (sorry, i don't know the tuxscreen thingie, just having an Access Point here with an arm7 to play around) |
| 19:46.08 | chouimat | TomW: webpal == X terminal :) |
| 19:46.16 | file | Webpal? X? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 19:46.21 | sorphin | chouimat: go find that jflash :P |
| 19:46.23 | TomW | tmbinc: not, not JTAG, it is an alternate way to download code into the Flash memory. Similar to Angel. |
| 19:46.48 | tmbinc | TomW: all jtag tools for arm i saw use boundary scan.. and i think scanning some hundred bits just to set CE down and up again is slower than just use a "store"-instruction or something like this... (i was working on some PPC405, where i wrote some tool for jtag access that way... speed was slow, but ok) |
| 19:47.03 | chouimat | sorphin: currently reinstalling my main box |
| 19:47.13 | sorphin | chouimat: i know |
| 19:47.20 | sorphin | chouimat: am just bored |
| 19:47.41 | TomW | tmbinc: you want to do rapid code development, right? |
| 19:47.43 | sorphin | chouimat: and still no response from spencer on sending the nda yet |
| 19:47.57 | chouimat | sorphin: that sucks ... |
| 19:48.04 | sorphin | yup |
| 19:48.21 | tmbinc | TomW: i just want to have a usefull debugging tool, for any kind of arm. currently i'm using OCdeamon (windows), but that sucks.. ( no download from memory to file, and it's windows, and it's buggy) |
| 19:48.22 | file | chouimat: did you see the cost for shipping my Webpal? |
| 19:48.26 | sorphin | and w/o that manual, i can't try and dup sharp's jflash (assuming i can't get it out of them) |
| 19:48.29 | chouimat | why my cat allways want to be on my lap when I'm working |
| 19:48.43 | chouimat | file: no |
| 19:48.56 | file | chouimat: $33 USD for USPS Airmail |
| 19:49.06 | tmbinc | TomW: for example, i'd like to upload my kernel using jtag out of linux... (and not having always 2 PCs.. one for compiling, one for uploading) |
| 19:49.11 | chouimat | file: ouch I paid 24.95USD |
| 19:49.17 | file | chouimat: aye |
| 19:49.35 | file | chouimat: I think that's using an online estimate... could be cheaper in real life... who knows |
| 19:49.38 | sorphin | file: doesn't that kill your allowance for the month? ;) |
| 19:49.46 | file | sorphin: allowance? I get no allowance |
| 19:49.55 | TomW | tmbinc: no, I haven't debugged any kernel code with anything. I usually find ways around the need for a debugger: printk(). When I do driver development, I use modules + printk to debug stuff. It is slow, but cheap. |
| 19:50.05 | sorphin | file: ahh, stealing from the parents |
| 19:50.09 | file | I get money where I can. |
| 19:50.13 | file | stealing? n |
| 19:50.14 | file | no |
| 19:50.47 | tmbinc | TomW: yep, ok youre right :)... but i still don't have the rom contents of the board i have here, and i see no way of downloading them other than include mtd support in my kernel and copy it to nfs :) |
| 19:50.59 | sorphin | file: ah.. you whore yourself out to people that like young canuck boys? :P |
| 19:50.59 | TomW | sorphin: file: settle down or you both will go stand in a corner. |
| 19:51.08 | chouimat | hehe |
| 19:51.14 | MicroChip32 | TomW: prior to installing the new wire, i tested voltage on both sides of L300 ... 3.39v on both sides to ground so its not burned out (even tho the part is obviously damaged) |
| 19:51.15 | sorphin | TomW: don't make me put you in an old folks home |
| 19:51.37 | file | TomW: Yes sir, would you like a piece of chocolate cake? |
| 19:51.39 | TomW | MicroChip32: good, within tolerances: %5 |
| 19:51.57 | file | whoops |
| 19:52.03 | sorphin | haha |
| 19:52.21 | MicroChip32 | TomW: so does that mean I dont need to replace L300 after all, that maybe the cap is damaged instead, or god-forbid, the lcd |
| 19:52.30 | sorphin | do |
| 19:52.44 | sorphin | dd if=/dev/random of=file |
| 19:52.44 | chouimat | file: good stuff in that dart |
| 19:52.45 | sorphin | done |
| 19:52.50 | TomW | tmbinc: what is the target platform? Tux, webpal, what? |
| 19:52.53 | GPSFan | TomW: I rang out the jtag header on the DCT5000 to the chip pins, then found the suggested JTAG and E-Jtag pinnouts in the NEC5432 manual. The NEC5432 has realtime trace and debug capable jtag, the header on the DCT5000 is only the 10 pin version but the pattern on the board looks like it might be the full 26 pin e-jtag connector. |
| 19:53.04 | file | chouimat: I use premium tranquilizers! beer! |
| 19:53.14 | sorphin | TomW: it's an AP |
| 19:53.24 | tmbinc | TomW: an DWL 900AP+, an access point from d-link .. (same as global sun xyz stuff :) .. my uclinux kernel already boots up, but i still have problems with userspace... anyway. |
| 19:53.49 | TomW | tmbinc: ah, interesting. |
| 19:53.50 | tmbinc | TomW: i'm used to embedded platforms, but it was all powerpc yet.. (MPC823 and PPC405-based) |
| 19:54.16 | TomW | tmbinc: what CPU (p/number)? |
| 19:54.18 | tmbinc | TomW: that access point has 1MB flash, 8MB ram .. (in case you're interested) .. and some "pcmcia"-styled adapter (but doesn't seem to be compliant :/ )... |
| 19:54.26 | tmbinc | TomW: CPU is samsung S3C4510B |
| 19:54.38 | tmbinc | ppc rulez... :) .. i really don't like arm that much |
| 19:54.47 | tmbinc | ok, they're cheap .. |
| 19:54.52 | file | an arm and a leg... |
| 19:55.19 | chouimat | tmbinc: still have optimizing powerpc code here |
| 19:55.30 | tmbinc | in german "arm" means "poor", and exactly that is what i'm thinking about them :)) |
| 19:57.05 | TomW | tmbinc: if you only have 1 meg flash, you may want to take a look at the cramfs that I built for the WebPal, that is an ARMv3 processor with only 1 Meg flash. But the cram file system uses statically linked busybox + uClibc to keep the file sizes down. |
| 19:57.17 | file | I wonder when my parents are going to take the hint that I haven't had takeout for 2 weeks, and want some... badly |
| 19:57.47 | TomW | tmbinc: you could just substitude your kernel source into the buildroot-webpal, then make any needed changes to the linux.mk makefile. |
| 19:57.57 | tmbinc | TomW: yeah.. but that size is not my primary problem ... i think i will solder a bigger one into that board.. it's an 29LV800B, so it should be no problem to exchange by some 4MB device from intel i still have lying around... |
| 19:57.59 | MicroChip32 | TomW: so does that mean I dont need to replace L300 after all, that maybe the cap is damaged instead, or god-forbid, the lcd ?? |
| 19:58.18 | tmbinc | TomW: fine... honestly, my current problem is linking |
| 19:58.32 | tmbinc | the executables created by my arm-ulibc-gcc -elf2flt are just crashing |
| 19:58.39 | tmbinc | so have you some precompiled root? preferable as .tar ? |
| 19:59.23 | TomW | MicroChip32: no, I would not think so. The 11uh inductor could behave as a filter to the 3.3v supply, but I suspect that it was mainly used as a fuse to fuse the LCD assembly from tearing up the Analog board should the LCD short out. |
| 19:59.50 | file | TomW: what |
| 19:59.55 | file | TomW: what's the URL for your webpal stuff? |
| 20:00.36 | MicroChip32 | TomW: ok so how do i tell if the caps are ok, i dont get any reading from any of the large caps on the board, they cant all be bad |
| 20:01.22 | TomW | tmbinc: no, not precompiled, it is a full build environ: you just load 2 meg of the buildroot-webpal dir onto your drive, have a gcc cross compiler + bintools already installed, then type 'make'. it then pulls in what else is needed off the web and compiles it, then leaves you with a 1 Meg binary image that you can put into Flash. |
| 20:01.49 | tmbinc | TomW: ok currently i'm booting over nfs... |
| 20:02.02 | tmbinc | but i'll try it |
| 20:02.03 | TomW | MicroChip32: Trust me, there is darn little you can do to screw up a cap, other than over voltage and blow them off the board. |
| 20:02.08 | tmbinc | but i think my toolchain is broken |
| 20:02.27 | file | blow them off the board, sounds real fun |
| 20:02.33 | MicroChip32 | hrm, ok which means maybe i screwed the display? any way to tell ?? |
| 20:02.51 | TomW | tmbinc: yeah, look here: http://www.openhardware.net/webpal/index.html and just take what you need. |
| 20:02.51 | file | smash it, then you'll know 100% it's screwed :) |
| 20:03.23 | TomW | MicroChip32: you tried the LCD? It won't power up? |
| 20:03.50 | MicroChip32 | TomW: it lights up, but nothing happens, no boot or error screen |
| 20:04.04 | MicroChip32 | lemme put it all back together and see if it still does that |
| 20:04.25 | TomW | hmm, you may have screwed the LCD or you may have screwed a chip / diode on the Analog board. |
| 20:04.37 | tmbinc | TomW: ok i'll try that :) |
| 20:04.37 | TomW | hard to tell. |
| 20:04.39 | MicroChip32 | hush LOL |
| 20:05.16 | tmbinc | so there's nobody who can give me any (statically linked) uclinux-arm binary to test my kernel? just some busybox or whatever ? |
| 20:06.00 | sorphin | TomW: i've had caps just pop and then fizzle |
| 20:06.17 | file | like a can of soda? |
| 20:06.19 | TomW | tmbinc: we used the buildroot idea (andersee did that) to package the development for the SA1100, TuxScreen. It worked well, that way, you didn't have to grab 100Meg of stuff just to get started. You could fire off the make, go watch a movie and wait til it finished. |
| 20:06.21 | sorphin | but that's all |
| 20:06.25 | sorphin | file :yes |
| 20:06.35 | file | mmm... soda |
| 20:07.00 | tmbinc | TomW: yes, but since i assume that my toolchain is broken, i'd like to test some binary which is known to be working. |
| 20:07.19 | sorphin | file: last i checked, that is soda :P |
| 20:07.39 | file | cola, soda, spelled differently! |
| 20:07.51 | sorphin | file: no webpal for j00 |
| 20:07.58 | file | sorphin: your not the boss of my Webpal! |
| 20:07.59 | TomW | tmbinc: correct, I don't know of anyone who is hacking that D-Link box. But, like I said, ARM == ARM, the memory map changes and the CPU version changes. ARM CPUs vary between doing half-word loads (16 bit vs 32 bit loads from memory) to allowing byte loads (8 bit). |
| 20:08.07 | sorphin | file: i'll buy them all! muhahaha |
| 20:08.19 | file | sorphin: and hook them together into a cluster Webpal? |
| 20:08.38 | tmbinc | TomW: ok but userspace should be compatible? |
| 20:08.41 | sorphin | file: yeah, and they'll host a webpage that says "no webpals for file" |
| 20:08.46 | file | curse you |
| 20:08.58 | sorphin | :) |
| 20:09.02 | tmbinc | TomW: ok my webpal buildroot just "make"s ;) |
| 20:09.04 | sorphin | file: that's already happened |
| 20:09.14 | file | curse you a second time |
| 20:09.24 | sorphin | you couldn't even if you tried |
| 20:09.32 | file | Voodoo! |
| 20:09.45 | sorphin | to you, voodoo is just a beverage |
| 20:09.57 | sorphin | file: btw.. voodoo is a religion :P |
| 20:10.08 | sorphin | silly canuck |
| 20:10.12 | TomW | tmbinc: correct, let it run and see what it does. If you are hacking an embedded system and have linux running on it in some form, then I don't expect that the buildroot will do anything that you couldn't easily change. |
| 20:10.24 | file | TomW: I request your assistance in cursing sorphin. |
| 20:11.07 | TomW | file: sorry, I have to take my blood pressure medication right now, the Doctor said I should try to remain calm and quiet. |
| 20:11.13 | sorphin | file: all i have to do is beat him w/ his cane |
| 20:11.25 | kergoth | bleh |
| 20:11.34 | sorphin | kergoth: i feel stupid, ya know that? |
| 20:11.41 | kergoth | ? |
| 20:11.42 | TomW | kergoth: having a good day? |
| 20:11.46 | sorphin | that jtag bit |
| 20:11.48 | kergoth | its a monday |
| 20:11.58 | kergoth | ibot: monday |
| 20:11.59 | | i heard monday is when everything breaks for no apparent reason, creating so many problems it takes you until friday to get back to normal. a good reason to want to go out and kill people |
| 20:11.59 | sorphin | kergoth: 8->13 is only in the cradle |
| 20:12.15 | sorphin | you normally don't jtag via the cradle/a cradle hack |
| 20:12.25 | kergoth | sorphin: aha |
| 20:12.31 | sorphin | so pins 11/8/13 wouldn't interact |
| 20:12.48 | sorphin | kergoth: this is almost as stupid as how i smoked the damn Z to begin w/ |
| 20:14.01 | sorphin | kergoth: so if i wanna hack this into teh cradle, i'll need to slap a toggle on hte cradle |
| 20:14.13 | sorphin | file: unless you wanna be kicked, enough |
| 20:14.49 | sorphin | kergoth: still nothing from spencer.. i hope it doesn't take too long :/ |
| 20:14.52 | TomW | ibot: monday is also a day that no work should be performed due to this phenomenon |
| 20:14.52 | | TomW: okay |
| 20:15.00 | TomW | ibot: monday |
| 20:15.00 | | monday is probably when everything breaks for no apparent reason, creating so many problems it takes you until friday to get back to normal. a good reason to want to go out and kill people, or a day that no work should be performed due to this phenomenon |
| 20:15.09 | sorphin | ibot: tomw? |
| 20:15.11 | | i guess tomw is at tom@openhardware.net |
| 20:15.16 | TomW | heh |
| 20:15.37 | sorphin | ibot: tomw is also some old geezer that hangs around #elinux and stirs up trouble, but knows a lot about hardware. |
| 20:15.38 | | okay, sorphin |
| 20:15.44 | sorphin | ibot: tomw? |
| 20:15.45 | | it has been said that tomw is at tom@openhardware.net, or some old geezer that hangs around #elinux and stirs up trouble, but knows a lot about hardware. |
| 20:15.54 | sorphin | ;) |
| 20:15.59 | sorphin | ibot: lock tomw |
| 20:16.01 | chouimat | sorphin: last time I saw spencer on #zaurus it was 37d ago |
| 20:16.10 | sorphin | hmm |
| 20:16.26 | chouimat | make that 38d |
| 20:16.27 | sorphin | heh, ibot has locking disabled now |
| 20:16.36 | sorphin | chouimat: hrm |
| 20:16.45 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:16.48 | kergoth | ibot: kergoth is also blah |
| 20:16.48 | | kergoth: cannot alter locked factoids |
| 20:16.48 | | kergoth: wish i knew |
| 20:17.03 | chouimat | sorphin: and his last message was : brb |
| 20:17.08 | sorphin | kergoth: i meant for new locking |
| 20:17.11 | sorphin | [ibot(ibot@208.186.182.172)] sorry, locking cannot be used since it can be |
| 20:17.13 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:17.14 | kergoth | yeah |
| 20:17.19 | sorphin | chouimat: double hrm |
| 20:17.32 | sorphin | well, i guess i'm SOL |
| 20:17.37 | sorphin | i can make the cable |
| 20:17.53 | sorphin | but w/o something to shove into jflash, unless we can find that jflash |
| 20:18.00 | TomW | ibot: forget tomw |
| 20:18.00 | | TomW: i forgot tomw |
| 20:18.09 | TomW | ibot TomW is at tom@openhardware.net |
| 20:18.09 | | okay, TomW |
| 20:18.11 | sorphin | TomW: you're not fun |
| 20:18.15 | sorphin | -t |
| 20:18.57 | TomW | sorphin: well, at least use "TomW is also" as opposed to just "TomW is" |
| 20:19.09 | chouimat | hmmmm 16h18 and I'm still didn't takemy lunch hour ... |
| 20:19.16 | sorphin | is did |
| 20:19.18 | sorphin | you dork |
| 20:19.21 | sorphin | i even |
| 20:19.31 | sorphin | <ibot> it has been said that tomw is at tom@openhardware.net, or some old |
| 20:19.31 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:19.31 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:19.39 | TomW | sorphin: k, sorry. |
| 20:20.01 | sorphin | and i said: <sorphin> ibot: tomw is also some old geezer.... |
| 20:20.02 | TomW | ok, I got a spec to write. later. |
| 20:20.06 | sorphin | gimme some credit :) |
| 20:20.19 | chouimat | ok brb |
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| 20:42.06 | zx80user | I am having a problem booting my dreamcast with nfs as root |
| 20:42.15 | zx80user | (that counts as embedded I hope) |
| 20:45.10 | *** part/#elinux tglx_gone (~tglx@pD9EB9EB5.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:53.14 | zx80user | oops, sorry about that. Anyway - I cannot get the machine to boot off nfs - it sticks with the initrd (busybox) unless I use poweroff, in which case it restarts with nfsroot mounted as ro |
| 20:53.21 | zx80user | Anybody able to help? |
| 21:04.34 | tmbinc | i never userd any dreamcast, but shouldn't do "ip=bootp root=/dev/nfs rw" as kernel cmdline do the trick? |
| 21:05.08 | chouimat | zx80user: my dreamcast is dead ... did not have time yet to repair it |
| 21:05.30 | chouimat | and I don't have the BBA |
| 21:06.11 | zx80user | tmbinc, I am pretty sure the command line is fine, its the initrd that's the issue I feel - should I be using one at all? |
| 21:06.53 | tmbinc | oh well, hm, i never ever used an initrd. if network works out of the box (without modules), why use initrd? however, as said, i never used any dreamcast |
| 21:07.02 | zx80user | Or should it be an empty initrd for nfsbooting? |
| 21:07.27 | tmbinc | just be sure that kernel supports nfsroot ... and "kernel level autoconfiguration" (for bootp .. or dhcp.. or rarpd.. whatever you like) |
| 21:07.56 | zx80user | It supports it - see message above where it bizarre mounts as read only after a 'poweroff' |
| 21:08.49 | zx80user | Suppose I could just try with an empty initrd? So recompile kernel without initrd support? |
| 21:12.28 | tmbinc | i'd try without initrd |
| 21:12.33 | tmbinc | or why do you want some? |
| 21:12.58 | tmbinc | i can't see any reason |
| 21:12.59 | zx80user | no reason, just always have used one before :-> |
| 21:13.38 | tmbinc | hehe, ok , just kick it :) |
| 21:15.29 | zx80user | urrrgh trying to find the option under menuconfig |
| 21:23.34 | tmbinc | hm well ... note that at least on ppc, there is a bug in the makefiles... that when you change the default boot cmd (ok, it's the embdedded loader there), some objectfiles are out-of-date and deps are buggy, so they have to be removed. |
| 21:23.56 | tmbinc | at least with 2.4.20 |
| 21:24.15 | tmbinc | so you better watch if the kernel cmdline is correct (when the kernel is booting up) |
| 21:44.04 | zx80user | tmbinc, might have just had that problem - told me there was no rule to make bzImage!! |
| 21:44.16 | zx80user | Did a clean and restarting |
| 21:44.37 | tmbinc | hm, no .. bzImage is most propably only x86 |
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| 21:55.57 | zx80user | err, yes :-> |
| 21:57.01 | zx80user | zImage is what it should have been |
| 22:17.24 | sorphin | welp, my 256M mmc hath arrived |
| 22:17.35 | sorphin | too bad i don't have a working Z to use it in :P |
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| 22:20.16 | sorphin | TimRiker: afternoon |
| 22:20.32 | zx80user | worked - thanks all :-> |
| 22:21.09 | zx80user | Though it only mounts it as read only - very odd, but I can fix that I think |
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| 22:53.15 | chouimat | *yawn* |
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| 23:33.17 | TimRiker | ~insult file |
| 23:33.52 | file | TimRiker: hi |
| 23:34.05 | sorphin | TimRiker: ibot was close too ;) |
| 23:34.09 | TimRiker | heh |
| 23:34.17 | sorphin | kidding :P |
| 23:34.38 | sorphin | ? |
| 23:34.56 | sorphin | yup ;) |
| 23:34.59 | file | TimRiker: the DCT hackers are getting restless |
| 23:35.04 | file | TimRiker: they've resorted to attacking me |
| 23:35.09 | TimRiker | heh |
| 23:35.25 | TimRiker | I'll get back to it soon. Perhaps this week. |
| 23:35.27 | sorphin | good boy |
| 23:35.28 | kergoth | hey tim |
| 23:35.46 | chouimat | re |
| 23:36.02 | TimRiker | kergoth: you got 2.4 for the Z stable yet? I'm going to get even less involved with all this TI work I've taken on. |
| 23:36.13 | sorphin | TimRiker: also pondering, if spencer ever gets to me w/ the nda, trying to use the svc manual to reconstruct sharp's jflash, if we can't ever find someone that has it, etc |
| 23:36.15 | chouimat | file: did you get the webpal? |
| 23:36.17 | TimRiker | kergoth: feel free to send rmk a patch and tell him you're the man. |
| 23:36.38 | kergoth | TimRiker: theres a fair bit of remnant madness. once i've cleaned it up i'll submit it |
| 23:37.15 | kergoth | no time lately, busy busy |
| 23:37.25 | sorphin | TimRiker: think it's doable? |
| 23:37.30 | TimRiker | sorphin: it's pretty simple wiring. should be able to hack a serial adapter to add a jtag interface, use a holly dongle and the tuxscreen flash software (or rmk's etc...) |
| 23:37.42 | sorphin | TimRiker: i know how do to the cable |
| 23:37.49 | sorphin | TimRiker: the prob is the jflash |
| 23:38.05 | TimRiker | sorphin: then rmk's jtag code should get you the rest of the way. |
| 23:38.26 | TimRiker | the sharp jflash would be a windows app, you want a linux app. |
| 23:38.29 | chouimat | url? |
| 23:38.43 | sorphin | TimRiker: true |
| 23:38.46 | TimRiker | for rmk's code? hmm. arm-linux cvs... looking... |
| 23:38.47 | kergoth | cvs on arm.linux.org.uk, iirc |
| 23:38.49 | sorphin | TimRiker: tho atm, i just want something that works |
| 23:38.50 | kergoth | yep |
| 23:38.56 | sorphin | TimRiker: i'm sitting here w/ a brick |
| 23:39.12 | sorphin | and the jflash would be the only hitch |
| 23:39.18 | sorphin | the cable's a sinch |
| 23:39.27 | chouimat | someone tried the jtag tools in openwince on sf.net? |
| 23:39.46 | TimRiker | http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/cvs/ |
| 23:40.31 | sorphin | TimRiker: reason i wasn't sure about rmk's code and/or the tux type jflash, is the well.. the flash the Z uses.. the flash commands they use are... sad compared to what i'm used to |
| 23:40.39 | kergoth | TimRiker: the port forward of the Z support to 2.4.19 took two weeks flat. then ran into an ugly TS bug and the SD issue. just about everything else is fine. |
| 23:40.47 | kergoth`bbl | bbl, bolting early |
| 23:40.54 | sorphin | kergoth`bbl: slacker ;) |
| 23:40.56 | TimRiker | sorphin: ugh. you want to start with one that works. then get jtag reading working. once read works you can be pretty sure a write will work ok. well... once you get the write enable pin on. /me pokes kergoth`bbl |
| 23:41.00 | kergoth`bbl | sorphin: and? :0 |
| 23:41.46 | sorphin | TimRiker: yeah.. i wish i'd THOUGHT about the writing commands when i was testing my code |
| 23:41.56 | sorphin | TimRiker: i wrote a cmdline mmaping flash reader/writer |
| 23:41.59 | TimRiker | heh |
| 23:42.10 | sorphin | TimRiker: somehow, w/o sending ANY flash commands |
| 23:42.15 | sorphin | it trashed the Z's flash |
| 23:42.20 | sorphin | not sure how |
| 23:42.48 | TimRiker | you've done a cold power down? ie: remove the battery and let it sit for 1/2 hour or so? |
| 23:42.53 | sorphin | reads the whole flash perfectly tho |
| 23:42.54 | sorphin | yes |
| 23:43.09 | sorphin | it's dead, no power lights, nothing (damn sw controlled stuff) |
| 23:43.21 | chouimat | http: //openwince.sf.net/jtag |
| 23:45.06 | sorphin | TimRiker: i knew something was wrong when after i tried writing (the wrong way), and did a read back, the flash was just one long pattern of the same bytes |
| 23:48.00 | chouimat | arrrggggg that memory leek on that controller is driving me crazy |
| 23:48.12 | sorphin | chouimat: doh |
| 23:48.18 | sorphin | TomW: and there's mr jtag himself ;) |
| 23:48.52 | chouimat | sorphin: I hate z80 asm |
| 23:48.57 | TomW | Don't blame me! |
| 23:49.15 | sorphin | chouimat: hehe |
| 23:49.21 | TomW | I know enough about JTAG to be dangerous (ill-informed) |
| 23:49.32 | sorphin | TomW: looking at rmk's jtag code atm |
| 23:49.32 | file | mmm |
| 23:49.35 | file | Webpal or headphones... |
| 23:49.40 | file | headphones cheaper, Webpal geekier... |
| 23:50.06 | chouimat | file: tonight it's beer or gf |
| 23:50.16 | sorphin | file: you're no geek, you're a poser geek ;p |
| 23:50.32 | file | LIES! |
| 23:51.51 | chouimat | *sigh* |
| 23:54.19 | chouimat | sorphin: the jtag link I posted earlier look cool too |
| 23:55.35 | sorphin | k |
| 23:57.56 | TomW | I hate myself... |
| 23:58.17 | TomW | I hate it when I beg for work. :/ |
| 23:58.34 | chouimat | TomW: any idea on the shipping cost? |
| 23:58.42 | sorphin | <beg> give me woooooooooork </beg> |
| 23:58.52 | TomW | "please, this is a really cool controller, let me do it, pleeeeease!" |
| 23:59.09 | TomW | chouimat: I'll check now... |
| 23:59.23 | chouimat | men beg for 2 things: work and sex |
| 23:59.43 | TomW | hmmm, you beg for sex? |
| 23:59.52 | TomW | heh |
| 23:59.53 | chouimat | TomW: when I was married :) |
