| 00:33.35 | fontenot | heh good luck on that :-) |
| 00:35.15 | sorphin | fontenot: i wasn't literally trying to figure it out :P |
| 00:35.25 | sorphin | fontenot: it was just a quick pondering |
| 00:35.33 | fontenot | oh heh I thought you couldnt sleep until you knew |
| 00:35.36 | sorphin | the 5v part is strataflash |
| 00:35.57 | fontenot | they probably just wanted to make out loves more difficult |
| 00:36.00 | fontenot | lives |
| 00:36.19 | GPSFan_ | sorphin: what type of 1394 card did you get a while ago? |
| 00:36.56 | sorphin | GPSFan_: just a $13 one from the same place i got my webpals |
| 00:37.02 | sorphin | has a nice TI chip *grin* |
| 00:37.15 | GPSFan_ | work ok? |
| 00:37.18 | sorphin | yup |
| 00:37.25 | GPSFan_ | with linux? |
| 00:37.28 | sorphin | yes |
| 00:37.36 | sorphin | gotta make sure you choose the right driver |
| 00:37.44 | GPSFan_ | k |
| 00:37.46 | sorphin | here i sat wondering why i couldn't detect it |
| 00:37.50 | sorphin | use the OHCI driver |
| 00:37.53 | sorphin | not the pcilynx |
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| 00:38.08 | GPSFan_ | softwareandstuff? |
| 00:38.12 | sorphin | yup |
| 00:38.21 | GPSFan_ | thanks. |
| 00:38.30 | sorphin | fontenot: heh, those 2 identical intel chips |
| 00:38.33 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:38.34 | sorphin | Memory |
| 00:39.04 | fontenot | i wonder how much flash is on this thing |
| 00:39.06 | sorphin | i'd say they prolly have all their bulk in those 2 chips, since they could easily be cascaded |
| 00:39.09 | sorphin | umm |
| 00:39.27 | CosmicPenguin | GPSFan_: I got some sort of POS 1394 card from my local wholesaler, and it came right up |
| 00:39.45 | GPSFan_ | CosmicPenguin: ti chip? |
| 00:40.06 | sorphin | ti is the only supported card ;) |
| 00:40.08 | GPSFan_ | or should I say TimRikerTI chip ;>) |
| 00:40.09 | sorphin | pcilynx is TI |
| 00:40.12 | fontenot | yeah occasionally softwareandstuff aka surpluscomputers has some nice cheap cards |
| 00:40.21 | sorphin | just not the same chip on this board apparently |
| 00:41.31 | sorphin | GPSFan_: fyi here's how i'm config'd |
| 00:41.33 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:41.33 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:41.33 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:41.33 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:41.33 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:41.34 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:41.36 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:41.38 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:41.40 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:41.55 | sorphin | sorry for the flooding.. |
| 00:42.00 | sorphin | forgot it'd do that |
| 00:42.10 | sorphin | damn curses |
| 00:42.13 | GPSFan_ | just put together a 1394/USB2 80G hdd, works great on my wifes iMAC under OSX, thought I might add 1394 to my linux box, looking for a card. |
| 00:42.28 | sorphin | nod |
| 00:42.37 | sorphin | GPSFan_: prolly do better w/ the 1394 |
| 00:42.46 | sorphin | since usb storage seems to be CRAP under linux |
| 00:42.51 | CosmicPenguin | GPSFan_: I don't know - its in my box |
| 00:43.02 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: lspci :) |
| 00:43.12 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: thats not my experience - I've got about 3 mass storage devices here and they work beautifully |
| 00:43.17 | GPSFan_ | sorphin: that's what I was interested in finding out, thanks for the heads-up. |
| 00:43.23 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: you prolly need to upgrade to a version of linux that was made this year |
| 00:43.28 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: eh |
| 00:43.31 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: um... |
| 00:43.41 | sorphin | ~bitchslap cosmicpenguin |
| 00:43.43 | | ACTION beats the sh*t out of cosmicpenguin |
| 00:43.43 | kergoth | I've had usb-storage crash in 2.4.19, 2.4.18, 2.4.20, 2.4.21-pre, 2.5.64-mm1, 2.5.64-bk1 |
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| 00:43.54 | sorphin | kergoth: ditto :P |
| 00:44.09 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: no comment ;) |
| 00:44.11 | kergoth | crashes in fun ways. sometimes mount hangs indefinately.. |
| 00:44.11 | CosmicPenguin | GPSFan_: I have a VIA chip in mine |
| 00:44.16 | GPSFan_ | CosmicPenguin: yeah, thought that might be so. |
| 00:44.20 | kergoth | or the copy will hang indefinately |
| 00:44.22 | kergoth | or it could just up and panic |
| 00:44.34 | sorphin | kergoth: and go status D |
| 00:44.37 | kergoth | yep |
| 00:44.40 | sorphin | aka uninterruptible sleep |
| 00:44.45 | sorphin | meaning reboot and sync time |
| 00:44.46 | kergoth | gotta use sysrq to get the damn box to reboot properly at that point |
| 00:44.49 | kergoth | right |
| 00:45.13 | sorphin | kergoth: that's how i had my big crash |
| 00:45.27 | sorphin | kergoth: what really sucks |
| 00:45.39 | sorphin | is my USB drive boxes |
| 00:45.43 | sorphin | ISD300 |
| 00:46.30 | sorphin | maxes at 18M/sec |
| 00:47.06 | sorphin | but i can handle it.. if the crap didn't crash all the time |
| 00:49.31 | sorphin | GPSFan_: just fyi, the card i have has a Texas Instruments TSB12LV26 |
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| 00:53.24 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: speaking of using a recent kernel :P |
| 00:53.31 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: patched your new root hole yet? :P |
| 00:55.48 | GPSFan_ | sorphinL "unibrain 1304 3-port Ti PCI firewire card" |
| 00:56.10 | sorphin | GPSFan_: yeah |
| 00:56.22 | sorphin | GPSFan_: that'd be the one |
| 00:56.31 | GPSFan_ | on sale $10 I'm ordering. |
| 00:56.59 | sorphin | hehe |
| 00:57.07 | sorphin | ooh.. you saved $3 ;) |
| 00:57.54 | CosmicPenguin | laterz people |
| 00:58.00 | sorphin | cya jc |
| 00:58.01 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: nope, haven't had time |
| 00:59.36 | GPSFan_ | sorphin: needed the card, it came recommended, now's as good time as any.. ;) |
| 00:59.44 | sorphin | hehe |
| 00:59.45 | sorphin | yeah |
| 01:00.10 | sorphin | GPSFan_: any more dct digging on the agenda tonight? |
| 01:00.27 | GPSFan_ | sorphin: maybe a bit later, food calls! |
| 01:00.37 | sorphin | nod |
| 01:25.42 | kergoth | mallum: ping |
| 01:26.00 | mallum | kergoth: pong |
| 01:26.29 | kergoth | mallum: how are you handling screen rotation, when the calibration data isnt rotated (from ts_calibrate)? |
| 01:26.53 | mallum | kergoth: nope, not presently |
| 01:27.02 | kergoth | kk |
| 01:27.54 | mallum | kergoth: Im a bit confused about that. tinyx seems to think the framebuffer is 90 degrees to the console ( as does ts_calibrate ) |
| 01:28.13 | kergoth | mallum: thats correct. |
| 01:28.20 | kergoth | c700 has fbcon rotation |
| 01:28.21 | kergoth | :) |
| 01:28.25 | kergoth | as does every zaurus |
| 01:28.42 | mallum | kergoth: if you run x unrotated ( eg in portrait ) its approx 10 times faster than in lanscape |
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| 01:28.56 | kergoth | mallum: damn! |
| 01:29.19 | mallum | kergoth: you cant see to be able to rotate to 640x480 though, just 320x240, 240x320 & 480x640 |
| 01:29.46 | kergoth | mallum: FB rotation doesnt belong in kernel space for anything but fbcon |
| 01:29.47 | Sammy | morning all |
| 01:31.00 | sorphin | Sammy: actually, it's evening here ;) |
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| 01:32.33 | mallum | kergoth: yeah, I find it all a bit confusing. I dont quite understand why X is so much slower |
| 01:32.38 | mallum | kergoth: its a real pain |
| 01:32.38 | scanline | morning Sammy! |
| 01:32.58 | kergoth | mallum: thing is, X has more knowledge of what its rotating and how to rotate than the kernel does |
| 01:33.05 | kergoth | mallum: all the kernel could do is rotate pixel by pixel |
| 01:33.28 | kergoth | so it doesnt make much sense to do it at that level, even not considering the fact that such a thing really doesnt _belong_ in kernel space |
| 01:33.55 | scanline | rotation definitely belongs in the GUI server, not the kernel |
| 01:34.08 | kergoth | :) |
| 01:34.10 | kergoth | yo scanline |
| 01:34.11 | kergoth | how goes it |
| 01:34.17 | mallum | kergoth: yeah but I think the kernel driver calls strait into the w100 chip to do it - I guess you could probably do that from user space |
| 01:34.20 | scanline | I don't even know how you could do rotation in the kernel with a mmap'ed framebuffer |
| 01:34.22 | scanline | hi kergoth |
| 01:34.50 | kergoth | scanline: you'd have to hide the real fb from userspace. the mmap would be mmaping a local copy |
| 01:34.57 | kergoth | no fun |
| 01:35.01 | kergoth | :) |
| 01:35.14 | kergoth | scanline: does picogui support tslib atm? |
| 01:35.27 | scanline | no, haven't looked at tslib yet |
| 01:35.32 | scanline | shouldn't be hard though |
| 01:35.40 | sorphin | kergoth: picogui doesn't even support a user ;) |
| 01:35.45 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:35.53 | scanline | sorphin: well, there's that too |
| 01:35.57 | mallum | kergoth: on rotaion I think X paints via a shadow framebuffer thus slowness |
| 01:36.24 | sorphin | scanline: CP was afraid you'd be attacking him earlier after what he said similar to that |
| 01:36.45 | scanline | mallum: that's X's fault... there are much better ways to do it |
| 01:36.51 | scanline | sorphin: haha |
| 01:36.56 | scanline | sorphin: I don't take myself that seriously |
| 01:37.28 | sorphin | scanline: good to know |
| 01:37.38 | sorphin | scanline: just take your macgyver seriously ;) |
| 01:37.43 | scanline | mmyeah :) |
| 01:37.54 | sorphin | jacques: all you need is one more place to login from, for dwayne :P |
| 01:38.26 | sorphin | scanline: keep catching it on tvland whenever i think of it |
| 01:38.45 | file[inet2] | wth... my laptop is infected with a stupid worm that keeps downloading itself |
| 01:39.27 | scanline | mallum: I think PicoGUI and Qt/E do the rotation above the rasterization level, so the speed impact is negligible |
| 01:39.39 | kergoth | scanline: yeap |
| 01:39.47 | kergoth | thats what i assumed tinyx would be doing.. |
| 01:39.54 | mallum | scanline: yeah I thought that too |
| 01:40.23 | mallum | on the ipaq rotation / reflection is totally negliable at any orientation |
| 01:40.31 | mallum | theres something else up, its really odd |
| 01:40.42 | kergoth | weird. |
| 01:41.21 | mallum | Im gotta get some specs for this chip |
| 01:41.32 | kergoth | send em my way when you get em, will ya? |
| 01:41.40 | mallum | yeah of course |
| 01:41.41 | kergoth | we may be able to improve its driver |
| 01:41.44 | sorphin | which chip? |
| 01:41.49 | kergoth | ati imageon |
| 01:41.59 | mallum | sorphin: http://www.ati.com/technology/hardware/imageon100/ |
| 01:42.33 | sorphin | ah |
| 01:42.40 | sorphin | that what's in the Z? |
| 01:42.50 | kergoth | c700 |
| 01:42.59 | sorphin | ah |
| 01:43.00 | kergoth | mallum: i wonder if it takes advantage of the power management bits |
| 01:43.23 | mallum | kergoth: yeah there is some power management stuff going on in the driver |
| 01:43.42 | kergoth | ah, didnt recall reading that. course i only skimmed it |
| 01:43.53 | kergoth | I'll be merging in the c700 support into the OE 2.4.19 zaurus tree one of these days |
| 01:44.00 | kergoth | its about time i jumped back into kernel space |
| 01:44.21 | mallum | kergoth: none of it is commented though, and mostly just obscure writes to wierdly named #defined |
| 01:44.28 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:44.32 | kergoth | thats true of all of lineo's code |
| 01:44.55 | kergoth | unnecessary layers, lots of convolution, ifdef/define hell, zero comments |
| 01:45.02 | mallum | like write(base+FBCTROLXFTS, 1) |
| 01:45.13 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:45.21 | kergoth | that wouldnt be bad if that define was named better |
| 01:45.28 | mallum | yeah indeed |
| 01:45.37 | mallum | I dont wanna fuck with it in case I break it |
| 01:45.39 | kergoth | fb control XFTS |
| 01:45.41 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:45.46 | kergoth | mallum: thats how i felt with the 5000d/5500 |
| 01:45.54 | kergoth | I read through it over and over and over and over |
| 01:45.59 | kergoth | trying to figure it out so i could improve it |
| 01:46.09 | kergoth | I had to get the service manuals from sharp to get anywhere |
| 01:46.56 | mallum | kergoth: if you get a mo, drop a mial to ati - they may open up a little if they see there getting a few mails |
| 01:47.19 | kergoth | will do |
| 01:47.24 | mallum | kergoth: after all it is listed as there policy to provide OS developers with specs to all 2d accell stuff ... |
| 01:47.35 | kergoth | ah |
| 01:50.16 | kergoth | ahah |
| 01:50.19 | kergoth | # /etc/init.d/opie start |
| 01:50.20 | kergoth | /etc/init.d/opie: /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/opie-reorgfiles: No such file or directory |
| 01:50.20 | kergoth | Starting Opie.... |
| 01:50.20 | kergoth | Illegal instruction |
| 01:50.22 | kergoth | :\ |
| 01:50.38 | TimRikerTI | kergoth: do you have a 5600? know anybody that does? |
| 01:50.51 | kergoth | TimRikerTI: I only have a 5500 and c700. jason has a 5600. |
| 01:51.04 | TimRikerTI | I wish I had a few 5600's here. |
| 01:51.29 | TimRikerTI | for that matter I wish I had a few c700's ;-) know any way to purchase them in the US? |
| 01:51.50 | kergoth | shop.conics.net will import from japan and ship worldwide |
| 01:51.55 | kergoth | course there's dynamism |
| 01:52.03 | kergoth | but $700 is a bit pricey |
| 01:54.05 | mallum | TimRikerTI: I got mine from conics to UK no probs |
| 01:56.04 | TimRikerTI | kergoth: thanx. |
| 01:57.24 | kergoth | np |
| 01:57.38 | kergoth | wtf |
| 01:57.42 | kergoth | I start opie from serial |
| 01:57.50 | kergoth | ah, nm |
| 01:57.52 | kergoth | stupid opie |
| 01:58.07 | kergoth | doesnt have a SIGSEGV handler to put the keyboard back into XLATE mode |
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| 01:58.13 | kergoth | crashes, leaves me with a useless keyboard |
| 01:58.13 | TimRikerTI | hmm... OT: anyone know how to talk mozilla into using a HTTP/CONNECT proxy to get to imaps servers etc? |
| 01:59.35 | sorphin | kergoth: umm |
| 01:59.45 | sorphin | sysreq has an xlate thingy |
| 02:00.12 | kergoth | sorphin: yeah i know, but I havent mapped the sysrq key to a useful key on the c700 keyboard :) |
| 02:00.18 | kergoth | actually, maybe it is already.. /me checks |
| 02:01.15 | sorphin | umm |
| 02:01.21 | sorphin | on the 5500 sysreq = home |
| 02:01.25 | kergoth | yes, i know. |
| 02:01.29 | kergoth | I applied the patch that made it that way |
| 02:01.31 | kergoth | :) |
| 02:01.35 | sorphin | heh |
| 02:03.55 | sorphin | kergoth: well, it's not in the OZ faq i'm lookin at, so it can't be an OZ specific thing ;p |
| 02:04.03 | kergoth | bah |
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| 02:21.40 | sorphin | plague squared |
| 02:21.56 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:22.07 | prpplague^2 | woh |
| 02:22.09 | prpplague^2 | howdy that happen |
| 02:22.21 | sorphin | simple |
| 02:22.24 | sorphin | you never left ;) |
| 02:22.31 | sorphin | just idled for 3 hours |
| 02:22.42 | prpplague^2 | hmm, i guess i left the office logged in |
| 02:23.16 | prpplague^2 | prpplague: die bitch die |
| 02:23.23 | sorphin | haha |
| 02:23.51 | sorphin | prpplague: one of you is plenty ;p |
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| 02:24.15 | mallum | bedtime for me - g'night ppl |
| 02:24.18 | prpplague | mallum: later |
| 02:25.28 | prpplague | sorphin: my rugrate is spending the night over at his aunt's so i have the house to myself |
| 02:25.46 | chouimat|tv | rugrate?? |
| 02:26.21 | file | rugrat |
| 02:26.23 | kergoth | chouimat|tv: rugrat |
| 02:26.43 | chouimat|tv | rug rat? |
| 02:26.49 | file | chouimat|tv: kid. |
| 02:26.51 | kergoth | chouimat|tv: kid. |
| 02:26.53 | kergoth | hm |
| 02:26.54 | kergoth | echo |
| 02:26.55 | kergoth | :) |
| 02:26.57 | chouimat|tv | ok ... |
| 02:26.59 | file | kergoth: me and you have the same thinking |
| 02:27.04 | prpplague | lol |
| 02:27.15 | kergoth | god i hope not :P |
| 02:27.16 | file | we even put a period after each... |
| 02:27.32 | prpplague | kergoth: what other platforms are currently targeted for OpenEmbedded rootfs? |
| 02:27.36 | file | kergoth: can't change your deoxyribonucleic acid |
| 02:28.36 | kergoth | prpplague: we've got webpal, collie, corgi, poodle, a300, the various ipaqs, the ads dev board, and ramses so far. Going forward, it'd be nice to see it on the axim, ibm's platform, tuxscreen, and any other device that currently uses a buildroot in any form. |
| 02:29.11 | prpplague | kergoth: nice |
| 02:29.36 | prpplague | kergoth: i'd like to see the hackkit as well if we actually go into production |
| 02:29.47 | sorphin | prpplague: mindreader |
| 02:29.56 | sorphin | prpplague: i was just gonna say.. don't forget about the hackkit :) |
| 02:30.09 | MonMotha | prpplague: got some spare time for some BLOB hacking? |
| 02:30.20 | prpplague | kergoth: aix is that the dell unit? |
| 02:30.24 | prpplague | kergoth: axim |
| 02:30.26 | kergoth | prpplague: yeah |
| 02:30.27 | MonMotha | yes |
| 02:30.37 | prpplague | MonMotha: already started this evening |
| 02:30.47 | kergoth | blob hacking.. webpal? |
| 02:30.48 | prpplague | MonMotha: doing some reading |
| 02:30.56 | MonMotha | someone was attempting to boot linux on it from within CE |
| 02:30.57 | MonMotha | since we don't know enough about it to actually write a bootloader |
| 02:31.05 | MonMotha | prpplague: you want a tarball of my current blob tree? |
| 02:31.10 | MonMotha | it's a bit of a mess :) |
| 02:31.13 | prpplague | MonMotha: please |
| 02:31.18 | MonMotha | k, let me tar it up |
| 02:31.19 | prpplague | ibot: prpplague |
| 02:31.20 | | [prpplague] mailto:dave123@abcsinc.com or Dave Anders |
| 02:31.58 | sorphin | MonMotha: um.. CE ? |
| 02:32.30 | kergoth | sorphin: axim runs windows |
| 02:32.31 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:33.11 | sorphin | kergoth: monmotha was crossing topics then :P |
| 02:33.25 | kergoth | yep |
| 02:33.27 | sorphin | ~bitchslap monmotha for crossing topics |
| 02:33.28 | | ACTION beats the sh*t out of monmotha for crossing topics |
| 02:34.42 | prpplague | man wheres ade.... i need a pic of my winning bid! lol |
| 02:34.45 | MonMotha | sending |
| 02:34.51 | prpplague | MonMotha: gracias |
| 02:35.03 | sorphin | prpplague: he never said you actually won yet ;) |
| 02:35.46 | prpplague | sorphin: ha, if she's cute and interested, i'd take a redeye and be there tomorrow night for dinner :) |
| 02:35.47 | file | From darkness there is light, as from chaos spawns order. |
| 02:36.03 | MonMotha | prpplague: my last name is on one of the files (start-clps7500.S), if you could remove it before submitting I'd be happy :) |
| 02:36.04 | [mbm] | hmm CE.. reminds me.. netbsd mips port works better on mips CE's than the linux-vr port (long abandonded) |
| 02:36.05 | prpplague | echo "1" > /proc/file/sleep |
| 02:36.18 | file | prpplague: soon, soon |
| 02:36.32 | MonMotha | of course it runs netbsd :) |
| 02:36.40 | prpplague | MonMotha: hell no, # MonMotha put this crappy code in! |
| 02:36.51 | MonMotha | heh |
| 02:37.08 | MonMotha | I have no clue if it even assmebles |
| 02:37.08 | MonMotha | I've never coded in asm before |
| 02:37.21 | kergoth | asm if spiffy |
| 02:37.28 | kergoth | er is |
| 02:37.36 | MonMotha | yes it is |
| 02:37.55 | MonMotha | with what? |
| 02:38.02 | MonMotha | xor requires two operands :) |
| 02:38.11 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:38.12 | sorphin | MonMotha: a digiboard ;p |
| 02:38.16 | kergoth | ack |
| 02:38.21 | sorphin | so, as i said earlier |
| 02:38.22 | MonMotha | heh |
| 02:38.26 | sorphin | he's actually a talking digiboard ;) |
| 02:38.52 | kergoth | hmm |
| 02:39.08 | sorphin | kergoth: riiiight |
| 02:39.19 | kergoth | you doubt a digiboard can make it panic? |
| 02:39.22 | kergoth | you should know better :) |
| 02:39.25 | MonMotha | got root? |
| 02:39.39 | kergoth | i have that hat |
| 02:39.45 | [mbm] | if you've got a shell on a pre 2.4.20 kernel then you can do that ptrace exploit |
| 02:40.07 | sorphin | [mbm]: i have a shell on your box ;) |
| 02:40.18 | prpplague | MonMotha: looks like i'm gonna do 5 weeks on the road |
| 02:40.42 | prpplague | MonMotha: i'm hopin that after i get through that i feel a little better about getting some dev work done |
| 02:40.43 | [mbm] | sorphin: you mean the one that's unplugged atm? |
| 02:40.50 | sorphin | ah |
| 02:41.09 | sorphin | prpplague: the purple plague POS world tour |
| 02:41.17 | prpplague | sorphin: yep |
| 02:41.40 | prpplague | sorphin: i really need this for my sanity and my bank account |
| 02:41.47 | [mbm] | anyways, like there's much on any of my boxes worthy of abusing root for |
| 02:42.20 | sorphin | prpplague: enjoy |
| 02:42.24 | kergoth | prpplague: good plan |
| 02:42.34 | file | sanity? what's that... |
| 02:42.37 | kergoth | err |
| 02:42.42 | kergoth | i couldve left work 45 minutes ago! |
| 02:42.44 | kergoth | wtf? |
| 02:42.47 | kergoth | ~lart me |
| 02:43.04 | MonMotha | "one second..." |
| 02:44.08 | file | MonMotha: imagine somebody remotely dialing the phone from it lol |
| 02:44.16 | sorphin | ibot: test |
| 02:44.21 | | Failed |
| 02:45.01 | [mbm] | rooting a box and dialing 911 is an old gag |
| 02:45.15 | file | [mbm]: make old gags young again. |
| 02:45.20 | file | anyway |
| 02:46.35 | sorphin | um... ok |
| 02:58.29 | jacques | sorphin: lol |
| 02:58.40 | jacques | sorry was working just saw your comment above |
| 02:58.58 | jacques | man I missed a lot :-\ |
| 03:01.26 | sorphin | yup |
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| 03:21.02 | chouimat|tv | wb ibot |
| 03:23.26 | sorphin | ibot: wb |
| 03:23.27 | | thx |
| 03:24.59 | GPSFan_ | hey sorphin: any ideas about the dct5000? |
| 03:27.54 | sorphin | GPSFan_: like what? |
| 03:29.02 | sorphin | GPSFan_: [mbm] was suggesting testing the control codes like can be used on the serial of the DCT 2k, at 9600, but since our ports running at 38400.. |
| 03:29.05 | jacques | like where TimRikerTI put the kernel source |
| 03:29.06 | GPSFan_ | like anything, I've been probing around the board with a scope to see if I see any activity when I send data into the serial port, but no dice. |
| 03:29.39 | jacques | so we know that linux is possible to run, just nothing else? |
| 03:29.48 | chouimat|tv | anyone tryed a RF signal? |
| 03:29.59 | jacques | someone did but they didnt have digital cable |
| 03:30.10 | jacques | i have digital cable but I'm afraid |
| 03:30.19 | jacques | they might think I am trying to stel service or something |
| 03:30.25 | jacques | steal |
| 03:30.29 | GPSFan_ | I pulled U10 out of it's socket and there is no display and nothing comes out the serial port. so it is key to the operation. |
| 03:30.30 | sorphin | jacques: nah, it'll prolly just reject you |
| 03:30.32 | sorphin | or let you in |
| 03:30.38 | chouimat|tv | jacques: you say that "normal" cable don't work? |
| 03:30.44 | sorphin | GPSFan_: yeah, the question is what is it |
| 03:30.55 | jacques | chouimat|tv: someone said they tried it |
| 03:31.03 | chouimat|tv | jacques: ok |
| 03:31.08 | sorphin | jacques: i did :P |
| 03:31.20 | jacques | sorphin: well you are someone :-) |
| 03:31.37 | sorphin | jacques: usually |
| 03:31.43 | chouimat|tv | jacques: if sorphin don't qualify as someone I wonder who will :) |
| 03:31.50 | jacques | heh |
| 03:31.58 | jacques | what we need is to talk to some pirates |
| 03:32.09 | jacques | at least IMHO |
| 03:32.22 | sorphin | heh |
| 03:32.32 | sorphin | chouimat|tv: can it canuck |
| 03:32.45 | jacques | there's at least one pirate in the office here but he sticks to stealing satellite |
| 03:32.58 | chouimat|tv | sorphin: huh? |
| 03:32.59 | sorphin | jacques: should just try and see if it even sees your dig cable or if the HE rejects it or just lets it in |
| 03:33.33 | jacques | are we thinking that best case it will dl something from the HE ? |
| 03:33.44 | chouimat|tv | or if you have a colorbar generator just use it ... |
| 03:34.06 | sorphin | chouimat|tv: umm |
| 03:34.12 | sorphin | chouimat|tv: i hooked it to analog cable |
| 03:34.27 | sorphin | it tried to hunt on freq 1 alone then instead of 1-8 |
| 03:35.11 | GPSFan_ | sorphin: how did you get it to do just hunt freq 1? |
| 03:35.15 | sorphin | hooked up my cable to it |
| 03:35.29 | chouimat|tv | sorphin: you have a trap in the pole? |
| 03:35.38 | GPSFan_ | sorphin: so it just stayed on 1 after you hooked it up. |
| 03:36.12 | sorphin | chouimat|tv: dunno where it is.. there's no pole nearby we're in condo's i can look out my basement window here and see where everyone's cable is :P there's a lil green stub by my window |
| 03:36.19 | sorphin | GPSFan_: yes |
| 03:36.49 | jacques | sorphin: but nothing came out of any of the video outputs when you hooked it up? |
| 03:37.00 | GPSFan_ | sorphin: did you try pressing any buttons while it was sitting on fr 1? |
| 03:37.19 | sorphin | jacques: nope |
| 03:37.30 | sorphin | GPSFan_: it didn't "sit" on it persay |
| 03:37.35 | sorphin | just instead of seeing: |
| 03:37.35 | chouimat|tv | sorphin: you probably have one ... I have analog cable but of what I have heard of my contact still in the local cable co I just need to get the digital receptor and I'm ok ... |
| 03:37.38 | sorphin | hunt |
| 03:37.41 | sorphin | Fr 1 |
| 03:37.43 | sorphin | hunt |
| 03:37.46 | sorphin | Fr 2 |
| 03:37.48 | sorphin | etc |
| 03:37.52 | sorphin | it just toggled |
| 03:37.53 | sorphin | hunt |
| 03:37.56 | sorphin | Fr 1 |
| 03:37.58 | sorphin | hunt |
| 03:37.59 | sorphin | Fr 1 |
| 03:38.17 | jacques | heh I hope we don't somehow need the remote |
| 03:38.19 | sorphin | chouimat|tv: nod |
| 03:38.25 | sorphin | jacques: doubtful |
| 03:38.32 | GPSFan_ | jacques: I think it doesn't have any operating system, just a boot loader, and it's looking for a place to download its OS. |
| 03:38.52 | chouimat|tv | sorphin: and I did the test with a friend receptor and it work here ... |
| 03:39.12 | jacques | GPSFan_: yeah that's why I said <jacques> are we thinking that best case it will dl something from the HE ? |
| 03:39.16 | sorphin | GPSFan_: umm |
| 03:39.28 | sorphin | GPSFan_: then why the shh load of flash? :P |
| 03:40.14 | GPSFan_ | sorphin: that's where it wants to download it to. this is a development box, for sw developers like linoe & microsoft. |
| 03:40.28 | chouimat|tv | sorphin: it probably download the channel info |
| 03:40.36 | sorphin | chouimat|tv: umm |
| 03:40.45 | sorphin | GPSFan_: true.. |
| 03:40.54 | chouimat|tv | sorphin: of the channel you choose to have |
| 03:42.01 | GPSFan_ | I found an interesting page that has what looks like a sw development plan for the DCT5000: http://www.cyberspeedway.net/rgardner/examples/DCT5000/D5k.htm |
| 03:42.09 | sorphin | nod |
| 03:42.56 | sorphin | GPSFan_: noticed it tries to static on rca and it just does on RF once on |
| 03:42.58 | GPSFan_ | note the liberal use of the word microsoft. |
| 03:43.54 | sorphin | nod |
| 03:43.57 | chouimat|tv | GPSFan_: liberal??? |
| 03:44.06 | jacques | nothing found :-( |
| 03:44.20 | jacques | The requested URL /rgardner/examples/files/Drawings/Dct5000/COM Ckt DCT5000 Ver 1_1.vsd was not found on this server. |
| 03:44.25 | jacques | etc etc |
| 03:44.38 | sorphin | umm |
| 03:44.40 | GPSFan_ | I wish some of those links worked. ;( |
| 03:44.58 | chouimat|tv | sorphin: what we be of real use is to know what Fr.1 is |
| 03:45.09 | sorphin | chouimat|tv: frequency 1 |
| 03:45.32 | jacques | it's the one before frequency 2 |
| 03:45.33 | chouimat|tv | sorphin: I know. the value I mean |
| 03:45.55 | GPSFan_ | FREQ 75250000 |
| 03:46.08 | GPSFan_ | it comes out the serial port. |
| 03:46.23 | GPSFan_ | along with all the other freq's |
| 03:46.31 | sorphin | ;) |
| 03:46.45 | sorphin | 75.25mhz? |
| 03:46.48 | GPSFan_ | FREQ 75250000 |
| 03:46.48 | GPSFan_ | FREQ 104200000 |
| 03:46.48 | GPSFan_ | FREQ 72750000 |
| 03:46.48 | GPSFan_ | FREQ 92200000 |
| 03:46.48 | GPSFan_ | FREQ 98200000 |
| 03:46.48 | GPSFan_ | FREQ 107400000 |
| 03:46.50 | GPSFan_ | FREQ 110200000 |
| 03:46.52 | GPSFan_ | FREQ 116200000 |
| 03:46.54 | GPSFan_ | yep. |
| 03:47.10 | sorphin | heh |
| 03:47.14 | sorphin | bit low |
| 03:47.20 | jacques | i wonder if comcast/at&t has any 5000's deployed in my area |
| 03:47.36 | chouimat|tv | 75.25mhz that between channel 4 and 5 ??????? |
| 03:47.41 | GPSFan_ | this tells you what several of them are for: http://www.scte.org/documents/pdf/ANSISCTE5512002DVS178.pdf |
| 03:47.49 | jacques | my carrent stb is a GI - and really crappy |
| 03:48.04 | sorphin | jacques: um... most are for dig cable :P |
| 03:48.07 | sorphin | jacques: it a 2k ? |
| 03:48.22 | jacques | sorphin: how can I tell? I wa looking for a model number but did not find one |
| 03:48.32 | jacques | it's a POS |
| 03:49.42 | sorphin | jacques: heh, when [mbm] returns from charter's /dev/null |
| 03:49.46 | sorphin | ask him, he has a 2k |
| 03:50.52 | jacques | will an xscale run strongarm code ? |
| 03:51.05 | jacques | d`oh of course it will... |
| 03:51.06 | sorphin | yes |
| 03:51.09 | sorphin | duh |
| 03:51.16 | sorphin | ~lart jacques |
| 03:51.18 | jacques | :-) |
| 03:51.20 | jacques | ouch |
| 03:51.22 | sorphin | YAY |
| 03:51.39 | sorphin | yay! ibot larted w/ a cluebat! :) |
| 03:51.47 | jacques | ? |
| 03:51.55 | chouimat|tv | sorphin: your favorite one? |
| 03:51.57 | jacques | ibot: yow |
| 03:56.43 | GPSFan_ | chouimat|tv look at section 5.1.1 it lists 75.25, 72.75, and 102.4 as OBB carrier freq's |
| 03:58.11 | chouimat|tv | GPSFan_: ok |
| 03:58.49 | jacques | what's the frequency, kenneth? |
| 03:59.46 | GPSFan_ | jacques: what do we need to get jtag talking to this beast? |
| 04:00.40 | jacques | GPSFan_: wish I knew... I'm not up on jtag - havent used it before |
| 04:00.49 | chouimat|tv | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6813561316.html |
| 04:00.59 | GPSFan_ | jacques: sorry I thought you were. |
| 04:01.19 | jacques | tomw knows something about jtag I think |
| 04:01.36 | jacques | several ppl here do, prpplague I think |
| 04:02.16 | jacques | i really wanna know what bootldr the various linux projects were using on this hw |
| 04:02.46 | jacques | well I'd like to know lots of things about the hw |
| 04:04.33 | GPSFan_ | GI/Motorola didn't make it easy to get inside, but they put a jtag connector on so it's plausable that they intended the sw developers to use it. |
| 04:07.04 | prpplague | chouimat|tv: you alive? |
| 04:07.36 | prpplague | jacques: i don't know jack, and if you think i do you crazy :) |
| 04:07.49 | jacques | prpplague: heh sorry :-) |
| 04:07.55 | prpplague | jacques: lol |
| 04:07.57 | GPSFan_ | the manual shows a modem in place of the rs-232 hack, and the development plan indicates that the second port was added for the production units. |
| 04:08.18 | prpplague | GPSFan_: ? |
| 04:08.55 | GPSFan_ | prpplague: rambling on about the dct5000, |
| 04:09.00 | prpplague | GPSFan_: ahh |
| 04:09.18 | prpplague | GPSFan_: aren't bootldrs a facinating topic |
| 04:09.25 | GPSFan_ | trying to figure out how they intended the software developers to load code into it. |
| 04:09.55 | prpplague | GPSFan_: you know its quite interesting how such bastardizations like BIOS came about |
| 04:10.01 | jacques | i bet there's a secret handshake |
| 04:10.48 | GPSFan_ | jacques: I bet you are right, however I don't see any change in processor activity when I send data in the serial port, so maybe it's buttons. |
| 04:12.18 | jacques | arg why do I try helping ppl on hh.org and then find out they are totally clueless |
| 04:12.29 | GPSFan_ | prpplague: you ported blob to the elf didn't you? |
| 04:12.33 | kergoth | jacques: eh, thats not just hh.org, its people in general :) |
| 04:13.04 | kergoth | you try to help them, and it turns out their inept |
| 04:13.45 | jacques | yeah lately i have tried helping ppl only to find I way overestimated their eptness |
| 04:14.30 | kergoth | mm! new hed pe album out |
| 04:14.39 | kergoth | my priorities are so outta whack |
| 04:14.45 | kergoth | i'll go buy that cd and keep eating ramen |
| 04:15.04 | jacques | speaking of eating I need to get food soon or not be able to stand up |
| 04:15.12 | prpplague | GPSFan_: ya, i will plead guilty to that nightmare |
| 04:16.16 | prpplague | jacques: hh.org is strange place |
| 04:16.27 | GPSFan_ | prpplague: what did you need to know about the architecture, and did you ever do anything with jflash? |
| 04:16.40 | prpplague | jacques: ppl who want to learn are shuned, newbie morons are treated with respect |
| 04:16.55 | kergoth | prpplague: true that. |
| 04:17.18 | kergoth | I'm only there to hash out distribution issues with nelson, jamey, jg, and pb_ from time to time |
| 04:17.40 | kergoth | and occasionally someone else with a clue |
| 04:17.59 | prpplague | GPSFan_:basically the elf had a primary bootloader, i was chain booting blob |
| 04:18.16 | prpplague | GPSFan_: like the tuxscreen the primary bootload was write protected |
| 04:18.48 | prpplague | GPSFan_: oncce i got blob chain loading, i then started work on unprotecting the primary bootloader |
| 04:19.20 | prpplague | GPSFan_: the main problem is that the primary bootloader initialized the mmu and blob expects the mmu to be off |
| 04:19.23 | GPSFan_ | prpplague: ah i see, that may be what we need to do with the dct5000, once we figure out how stuff goes in. |
| 04:19.37 | prpplague | GPSFan_: so i had to hack a routine to return the memory to a 1-to-1 mapping |
| 04:19.58 | GPSFan_ | so blob could start clean. |
| 04:20.02 | prpplague | right |
| 04:20.06 | chouimat|tv | prpplague: yes I'm alive |
| 04:20.14 | prpplague | chouimat|tv: thanks for the oggs |
| 04:20.21 | chouimat|tv | prpplague: nothing |
| 04:20.36 | prpplague | chouimat|tv: i should have the cops here soon, lol |
| 04:20.37 | GPSFan_ | sorphin: do you have any smart cards? |
| 04:20.50 | chouimat|tv | prpplague: too heavy for texas? |
| 04:20.58 | prpplague | chouimat|tv: too loud |
| 04:21.30 | chouimat|tv | prpplague: haha ... ok I will spins some nice texan music ... and obscure band called Pantera :) |
| 04:21.37 | prpplague | lol |
| 04:21.52 | jacques | wans't that a sports car? |
| 04:22.28 | prpplague | chouimat|tv: i have an old maxterm thin client jacked into my stero |
| 04:22.28 | chouimat|tv | jacques: yup that too, I speak of the metal band |
| 04:22.48 | jacques | http://www.rapidcars.com/images/pantera.jpg |
| 04:23.40 | kergoth | hmmm ramen + milk + cheddar cheese soup + seasonings = good cheap food |
| 04:24.35 | chouimat|tv | jacques: http://www.officialpantera.com/ |
| 04:24.55 | jacques | hmm no flash |
| 04:25.10 | jacques | i love pages like that - one big flash |
| 04:25.32 | jacques | they can CENSORED my CENSORED |
| 04:25.57 | jacques | damn when did opennode put the content control in ? |
| 04:26.12 | kergoth | ~fishslap jacques |
| 04:26.14 | | ACTION slaps jacques up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 04:26.23 | jacques | ow |
| 04:27.25 | chouimat|tv | kergoth: try chicken + broccoli + ramen stir fry |
| 04:28.34 | jacques | i want an elise http://lotuscars.com/index3.html |
| 04:28.45 | jacques | http://lotuscars.com/gallery/elisemotorsport/frontview.jpg |
| 04:29.13 | jacques | http://lotuscars.com/gallery/elise190r/side640x480.jpg |
| 04:29.16 | jacques | drool |
| 04:29.18 | kergoth | chouimat|tv: hm, sounds good |
| 04:29.36 | chouimat|tv | kergoth: Windriver Linux USB 6.00 |
| 04:30.46 | chouimat|tv | kergoth: http://www.jungo.com/linuxusb.html |
| 04:35.05 | chouimat|tv | prpplague: can send you my cd listing when I will have finished it :) |
| 04:35.18 | chouimat|shower | brb |
| 04:35.52 | prpplague | argh, i've gotten myself in a frellin flame war on ratebeer.com |
| 04:36.21 | kergoth | chouimat|tv: quick shower :P |
| 04:36.49 | chouimat|tv | kergoth: switched channel .... nacked chick with a fur coat on tv ... |
| 04:37.05 | kergoth | good reason to watch tv then |
| 04:37.16 | chouimat|tv | definitly |
| 04:39.33 | prpplague | argh, i can't believe i subscribe to a website running m$ crap and is down atleast once a week due to server issues |
| 04:40.56 | chouimat|tv | prpplague: I can believe that the university I studied to, ditched their VMS system for XP ... |
| 04:41.15 | kergoth | vms to XP? egad |
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| 04:42.35 | chouimat|tv | kergoth: http://ulyx.homeunix.org:12000/pic2.jpg |
| 04:43.06 | sorphin | GPSFan_: yeah, i have one from my directivo.. it's a virgin HU, ex subbed, but never streamed :P |
| 04:45.08 | prpplague | chouimat|tv: i really like coldmetal |
| 04:46.06 | GPSFan_ | sorphin: wonder what would happen if you put it in the dct5000? |
| 04:48.40 | jacques | i have $10 on "burst into flames" |
| 04:50.01 | kergoth | ~lart ipkg |
| 04:50.22 | kergoth | ~lart ipkg's two pieces |
| 04:50.53 | chouimat|tv | prpplague: yup that one is really good |
| 04:51.03 | kergoth | coldmetal? |
| 04:51.56 | prpplague | chouimat|tv: send kergoth the ogg |
| 04:52.05 | prpplague | kergoth: not sure you'd like it |
| 04:52.06 | chouimat|tv | kergoth: fixed you firewall? |
| 04:52.29 | prpplague | chouimat|tv: i need to see what that chick looks like now |
| 04:52.36 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:52.42 | kergoth | I listen to every genre of music. |
| 04:52.55 | chouimat|tv | prpplague: yeah she's 16 now ... |
| 04:53.02 | kergoth | from celtic to classical to hardcore rap to prog metal to alternative to country |
| 04:53.10 | prpplague | chouimat|tv: perfect |
| 04:53.12 | prpplague | lol |
| 04:53.29 | chouimat|tv | kergoth: I have some medival metal in german ... |
| 04:53.39 | kergoth | medeival metal? |
| 04:53.46 | jacques_gone | be on from hoe later |
| 04:53.50 | jacques_gone | home |
| 04:53.57 | prpplague | jacques_gone: later |
| 04:54.18 | chouimat|tv | kergoth: thank metal and add some medival music instrument and dress like 12th century peoples |
| 04:54.24 | chouimat|tv | s/thnak/take |
| 04:54.45 | kergoth | hah |
| 04:54.46 | kergoth | sweet |
| 04:54.59 | chouimat|tv | kergoth: and have some religious text |
| 04:57.27 | sorphin | jacques_gone: doubtful |
| 04:57.45 | prpplague | frellin m$ zombies |
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| 04:58.38 | chouimat|tv | good idea ... |
| 04:58.59 | prpplague | some of these frellin m$ goons are like something of resident evil |
| 04:59.18 | chouimat|tv | prpplague: ouch ... |
| 04:59.26 | sorphin | [mbm]: done playing charter hid my cablemodem connection? |
| 04:59.44 | prpplague | no higher brain functions, only base functions "must buy new software.... must buy new software....." |
| 05:00.15 | chouimat|afk | prpplague: ok :) |
| 05:00.20 | chouimat|afk | brb |
| 05:00.22 | sorphin | prpplague: aren't you supposed to be drinking beer and watching girls gone wild? |
| 05:00.42 | prpplague | sorphin: ya well, i'm having a flame war on ratebeer.com |
| 05:01.03 | sorphin | ah |
| 05:01.54 | prpplague | sorphin: i've paid for a subscription and the mf'ers have been off line 20% of the time lately due to frellin IIS worms, m$-sql problems, and other OS related issues |
| 05:02.16 | sorphin | fun |
| 05:02.39 | prpplague | sorphin: then when i politetly ask why don't they use linux, i'm suddenly marked as a frellin "religious zelot" |
| 05:02.46 | prpplague | sorphin: that shit pisses me off |
| 05:02.48 | kergoth | hm |
| 05:05.43 | sorphin | prpplague: heh, i'd have just said apache |
| 05:06.23 | kergoth | hrm |
| 05:06.37 | kergoth | opie started in a little 320x240 window in th emiddle of my 640x480 display |
| 05:06.41 | kergoth | oop |
| 05:06.41 | kergoth | s |
| 05:07.18 | sorphin | kergoth: oops ;p |
| 05:07.28 | kergoth | yeah |
| 05:07.45 | kergoth | and my qt/e kernel_keymap patch isnt working properly.. |
| 05:07.53 | kergoth | hrm |
| 05:09.46 | prpplague | lol, check out the pic of this beer drinker - http://64.106.162.89/ViewUser.asp?UserID=1274 |
| 05:09.59 | prpplague | think hes had a few? |
| 05:10.57 | prpplague | kergoth: dev enviroment? |
| 05:11.22 | kergoth | prpplague: ? |
| 05:11.29 | kergoth | no, just things not liking me today |
| 05:11.39 | prpplague | kergoth: ahh |
| 05:11.52 | kergoth | At least I confirmed my qt/e tslib patch is playing nice |
| 05:11.55 | kergoth | so thats something anyway |
| 05:12.42 | prpplague | kergoth: agreed |
| 05:12.55 | kergoth | tslib is really quite spiffy |
| 05:13.12 | prpplague | kergoth: so much to learn so little time |
| 05:13.26 | kergoth | indeed. |
| 05:13.29 | prpplague | kergoth: why are still working for digi? |
| 05:13.42 | prpplague | kergoth: you need to press sharp for a high $$ job |
| 05:16.07 | kergoth | I'm working for Digi because the market is shit and I have no degree, and not enough job history |
| 05:16.10 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:17.33 | prpplague | kergoth: man OZ/OE should be one hell of a resume entry |
| 05:18.03 | prpplague | chouimat|afk: i'm surprised they didn't say something about that chick singing the lyrics to sweetlittlebrother |
| 05:24.07 | GPSFan_ | nite all. |
| 05:24.11 | chouimat | prpplague: hehe |
| 05:24.34 | prpplague | kergoth: "gopher everett?" |
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| 05:25.20 | prpplague | chouimat: i'm gonna have to get that ambeon album |
| 05:25.38 | prpplague | chouimat: you tried "the masters of chant" ? |
| 05:26.03 | kergoth | whew |
| 05:26.09 | kergoth | the opie problem was a stupid typo |
| 05:26.31 | chouimat | prpplague: I have the 3 album of a band called Autumn Tears ... the problem is after listening to the 3 album in a row you want to jump from a cliff |
| 05:26.44 | prpplague | chouimat: lol |
| 05:27.33 | chouimat | prpplague: kind of dark metal but only with soprano voice and keyboard |
| 05:27.40 | prpplague | chouimat: grab that one |
| 05:27.41 | chouimat | prpplague: resend |
| 05:28.16 | chouimat | prpplague: DCC Failed: Connection refused |
| 05:28.23 | prpplague | hmm |
| 05:28.25 | prpplague | one sec |
| 05:29.19 | prpplague | chouimat: sorry, iptables foobar |
| 05:31.31 | kergoth | IS IT YOU?! |
| 05:31.32 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:31.43 | chouimat | prpplague: I riping some autumn tears |
| 05:32.14 | prpplague | chouimat: you like pink floyd? |
| 05:32.28 | chouimat | prpplague: I have all their album |
| 05:32.48 | prpplague | chouimat: i have a great version of dark side of the rainbow |
| 05:33.34 | chouimat | prpplague: ok ... btw that version is better than the metallica original :) |
| 05:33.49 | prpplague | chouimat: i thought so too |
| 05:34.13 | prpplague | chouimat: your welcome to the "dark side of the rainbow" mpg |
| 05:34.43 | prpplague | chouimat: aka. dark side of the moon played over the video of the wizard of oz |
| 05:34.53 | chouimat | prpplague: ok I have seen it |
| 05:35.24 | prpplague | chouimat: theres an entire album of re-makes in chant |
| 05:36.15 | chouimat | prpplague: ok I need to find that |
| 05:36.28 | prpplague | "the masters of chant" |
| 05:39.37 | prpplague | chouimat: daft punk? |
| 05:40.17 | chouimat | prpplague: nah |
| 05:41.06 | prpplague | chouimat: jethro tull ? |
| 05:41.27 | chouimat | prpplague: have a 15 of them |
| 05:41.33 | prpplague | chouimat: lol |
| 05:41.45 | prpplague | chouimat: santana? |
| 05:41.47 | chouimat | prpplague: even the last one |
| 05:41.49 | chouimat | prpplague: nope |
| 05:42.04 | prpplague | chouimat: elo? |
| 05:42.17 | chouimat | prpplague: every Deep Purple, Black Sabbath, Ozzy, Led Zeppelin, Rush ... |
| 05:42.27 | chouimat | Iron Maiden too |
| 05:42.47 | prpplague | chouimat: nice mix |
| 05:43.06 | chouimat | prpplague: bah about 1500 album here |
| 05:43.12 | prpplague | chouimat: wow |
| 05:43.14 | kergoth | damn |
| 05:43.15 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:43.29 | kergoth | I dont have the time to follow all the genres i like |
| 05:43.32 | kergoth | :\ |
| 05:43.33 | prpplague | chouimat: my music interests are too diverse to buy so many albums |
| 05:43.51 | kergoth | heh, same here, it'd bankrupt me |
| 05:44.08 | prpplague | kergoth: i bought a 100cd player just so i could do really good urandom selections, lol |
| 05:44.09 | kergoth | s |
| 05:44.19 | kergoth | you mentioned daft punk? good stuff |
| 05:44.20 | chouimat | prpplague: alot in mp3s, old cassettes and copied cd from napster, kazaa etc ... but if the album i s really good I buy it |
| 05:44.33 | kergoth | i liked the cd with every song had a video, and they told a story |
| 05:44.38 | kergoth | does daft punk have a dvd of that yet? |
| 05:44.40 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:44.41 | prpplague | chouimat: interest in an local stuff? |
| 05:45.05 | prpplague | kergoth: ya what was frellin cartoon network thinking putting all those vids in quicktime |
| 05:45.11 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:46.04 | prpplague | chouimat: i have some great rips of local artists in the austin aread |
| 05:46.21 | prpplague | chouimat: not exactly techno, but very artistic |
| 05:46.22 | chouimat | prpplague: ok I have some local stuff too |
| 05:46.37 | chouimat | prpplague: I don't like techno very much ... |
| 05:46.44 | prpplague | chouimat: oh? |
| 05:47.06 | chouimat | prpplague: the dance kind |
| 05:47.12 | prpplague | chouimat: ahh me either |
| 05:47.29 | prpplague | kergoth: shoutcast has some good stuff |
| 05:47.38 | kergoth | yep |
| 05:47.43 | kergoth | XM has a great station for it |
| 05:47.44 | chouimat | kergoth: I'm in more progressive mood lately |
| 05:47.45 | kergoth | :) |
| 05:48.05 | kergoth | listening to wumpscut and haujobb tonight |
| 05:48.35 | chouimat | kergoth: I was litening to a weird free jazz show on local radio last night |
| 05:48.44 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:49.42 | chouimat | kergoth: some of the thing they played were .... people who said that metal is noise must listen to that band |
| 05:50.35 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:50.43 | kergoth | that bad eh |
| 05:50.43 | kergoth | ? |
| 05:51.27 | chouimat | put a cat in a blander and you have a good approximation |
| 05:51.32 | kergoth | hah |
| 05:52.32 | chouimat | prpplague: 9 minutes 21 second of sheer deseaparition :) |
| 05:56.34 | prpplague | chouimat: hmm, not thats not too bad compared to being married to a psycho bitch for 12 years, lol |
| 05:58.05 | chouimat | prpplague: wow! I wonders when the " I love you my little <nice word>" turn into " You my f**king psycho bitch" :) |
| 05:58.44 | prpplague | chouimat: hmm about 7 years into the marriage :) they don;t call it the 7 year itch for nothing :) |
| 05:59.20 | prpplague | chouimat: what do you ripp your audio with? |
| 05:59.21 | chouimat | prpplague: was married from 1995 to 2001 ... left her in 2000 ... |
| 05:59.31 | chouimat | prpplague: cdparanoia |
| 05:59.32 | prpplague | chouimat: good move |
| 05:59.46 | prpplague | chouimat: strickly cd audio?? |
| 06:00.57 | chouimat | prpplague: now need to find another one soon ... you know after 3 years you begin to be tired of waking in the morning and say: Who are you? or worst : Man1 i didn't though I drank so much last night |
| 06:01.37 | chouimat | prpplague: I have some mp3 cd but I eventually made audio cd with them |
| 06:02.47 | prpplague | chouimat: alot of my local stuff is on tape |
| 06:02.59 | prpplague | chouimat: i need to convert that to mp3's |
| 06:03.08 | chouimat | I use krecord and gramophile for that |
| 06:06.04 | chouimat | prpplague: accept DCC |
| 06:06.51 | prpplague | oops |
| 06:07.00 | prpplague | source playing with a tape |
| 06:07.25 | chouimat | huh? allready 1h08 EST ... |
| 06:15.31 | chouimat | prpplague: enjoy |
| 06:16.06 | prpplague | chouimat|Zzzz: thanks |
| 06:16.09 | prpplague | chouimat|Zzzz: night |
| 06:16.36 | chouimat|Zzzz | prpplague: night ... need to get to bed before the cat take too much place ... :) |
| 06:27.58 | prpplague | ok whos interesting in webpals for $40, memory upgrade, cf to ide adapter, pre-flashed and parts for rs-232 adapter? |
| 06:35.08 | fontenot | inclusing cf to ide? not bad |
| 06:35.24 | fontenot | prpplague: you finally get your webpals? |
| 06:35.38 | kergoth | tempting, i still havent picked up any webpals |
| 06:35.49 | kergoth | id probably be interested, at some point in the near future when i'm less broke |
| 06:36.03 | fontenot | I'm interested |
| 06:38.47 | fontenot | well my ipaq is tied up for the night so kergoth just reminded me that I need to work on the tux xfree tslib driver |
| 06:39.12 | kergoth | fontenot: you know mallum has xfree 4.3 working on the c700 using tslib, right? |
| 06:39.13 | kergoth | heh |
| 06:39.18 | kergoth | :) |
| 06:39.43 | kergoth | so should work fine on teh tux, once you know tslib is behaving itself |
| 06:39.49 | kergoth | (e.g. ts_calibrate, then ts_test works) |
| 06:39.56 | fontenot | welll... |
| 06:40.24 | fontenot | until someone proves to me that the ucb1x00 (or whatever) kernel ts driver is working right I'm not sonvinced |
| 06:40.35 | kergoth | try the tslib test apps |
| 06:40.41 | prpplague | fontenot: just got a confirmation of a 100 qty shipment |
| 06:40.42 | kergoth | ts_print_raw, ts_print, ts_calibrate, ts_test |
| 06:40.46 | fontenot | tho I also admit that mallum is about 100x better coder than I |
| 06:41.15 | fontenot | prpplague: great! |
| 06:41.32 | prpplague | i'm out of here for tonight |
| 06:41.39 | kergoth | night dave |
| 06:41.39 | prpplague | later guys |
| 06:41.44 | fontenot | later prpplague |
| 06:42.04 | fontenot | kergoth: think anything has changed in tslib cvs int eh last couple of weeks? |
| 06:42.10 | fontenot | guess I should just check |
| 06:42.12 | kergoth | I know stuff has changed |
| 06:42.29 | kergoth | for a fact, because i saw 5600/c700 support get merged after i sent the patches in |
| 06:42.32 | kergoth | heh |
| 06:42.50 | kergoth | but anything thatd affect you? doubtful, other than a possible segfault bug fix in one of the test apps |
| 06:43.05 | fontenot | hmm those all sound like stuff I read in the changelog |
| 06:43.10 | kergoth | yep |
| 06:43.19 | fontenot | version I have has your corgi and collie stuff |
| 06:43.27 | kergoth | ah, so its recent |
| 06:43.33 | kergoth | i doubt anything has happened after that |
| 06:44.05 | fontenot | cool because I dont have a buildroot .mk file for it yet and it's a bit of a pain to xcompile |
| 06:44.31 | kergoth | ;) |
| 06:45.10 | fontenot | tonight? |
| 06:45.18 | kergoth | whenever |
| 06:45.28 | kergoth | pretty much just need to add the tux kernel build |
| 06:45.34 | kergoth | everything else will fall into place |
| 06:45.36 | fontenot | ok sounds like a good idea to me just not tonight :-) |
| 06:45.42 | fontenot | yeah I agree |
| 06:45.54 | fontenot | hmm need more serial ports |
| 06:46.05 | kergoth | where's the latest tux kernel patch at? |
| 06:46.28 | kergoth | ah |
| 06:54.21 | fontenot | dsl degrading may lose connectivity soon |
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| 07:11.04 | kergoth | fontenot: added the tux kernel build, its chugging away |
| 07:11.23 | kergoth | fontenot_: will add the image creation / deployment bits lat |
| 07:11.24 | kergoth | er |
| 07:12.00 | fontenot | why the F does date not have a flag to output in the format it wants to be set in????????? |
| 07:12.54 | fontenot | i really wanna know |
| 07:13.31 | kergoth | hehe |
| 07:13.39 | fontenot | really |
| 07:22.04 | fontenot | kergoth: do you know what libgcc_s.so.0.9.9 is? |
| 07:22.10 | fontenot | what's its purpose? |
| 07:22.48 | kergoth | its libgcc. |
| 07:23.04 | kergoth | it contains the integer mod and div fucntions |
| 07:23.07 | kergoth | dunno beyond that |
| 07:23.13 | kergoth | __modsi3 __divsi3 |
| 07:23.14 | kergoth | .. |
| 07:24.05 | fontenot | ah, so there is a good reason why my Xfbdev binary links is in dynamically? |
| 07:24.22 | fontenot | ir can I somehow remove it as a dependedncy? |
| 07:25.55 | kergoth | it links it in dynamically because recent gccs build a shared one |
| 07:26.04 | kergoth | it only makes sense, its such a common dependency |
| 07:26.15 | kergoth | hm, there are some useful patches in the tuxscreen buildroot |
| 07:26.21 | kergoth | should grab the uclibc one as well |
| 07:26.27 | kergoth | merge some of this stuff in |
| 07:27.10 | fontenot | thanks for the info! |
| 07:27.19 | kergoth | np |
| 07:27.27 | kergoth | hmm |
| 07:27.28 | fontenot | now we need to teach tux buildroot to include it in the fs image |
| 07:29.06 | andersee | kergoth: I've merged a lot (but not all) of my uclibc buildroot stuff into the tux buildroot |
| 07:29.28 | kergoth | andersee: oh good, I was hoping i wouldnt have to read through a ton of independent trees |
| 07:29.32 | kergoth | :) |
| 07:30.15 | andersee | kergoth: lots more stuff in the uclibc one though |
| 07:30.52 | andersee | kergoth: http://uclibc.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/buildroot/ |
| 07:32.08 | fontenot | how do I checkout the uclibc one ? |
| 07:32.15 | kergoth | hehe, man has there been a lot of duplication of effort amongst us.. |
| 07:32.39 | kergoth | andersee: http://openzaurus.bkbits.net:8080/buildroot/src?nav=index.html |
| 07:33.55 | andersee | fontenot: go to the URL I posted and click "Download tarball" |
| 07:34.21 | andersee | kergoth: yup |
| 07:34.53 | kergoth | well I'm hoping the OE infrastructure will be the means by which we can prevent doing so going forward |
| 07:35.57 | fontenot | andersee: heh thanks |
| 07:36.11 | andersee | kergoth: I'd be more than happen to get out of the disto business. |
| 07:36.14 | fontenot | straaange |
| 07:36.27 | fontenot | I just did ldd ts_calibrate and it oopsed my kernel on tux |
| 07:36.30 | kergoth | andersee: its a far more time consuming business than I would have ever expected |
| 07:36.41 | andersee | kergoth: right now the uclibc buildroot is how I make the uclibc dev systems on http://uclibc.org/ |
| 07:36.51 | kergoth | ah, cool :) |
| 07:37.11 | andersee | x86, arm, powerpc, and mips thus far (all the arches I have boxes for) |
| 07:37.13 | fontenot | repeatable |
| 07:37.18 | fontenot | what's up? |
| 07:37.48 | kergoth | okay, well i'm going to start by merging in the tux kernel |
| 07:37.57 | kergoth | then any applicable application patches |
| 07:39.24 | fontenot | anyone know why ldd would oops my tux ? |
| 07:39.50 | kergoth | heh, not offhand. decode the oops |
| 07:41.44 | fontenot | sigh I forgot about the wonderful tslib error messages |
| 07:41.55 | fontenot | /usr/local/bin # ./ts_test |
| 07:41.56 | fontenot | ts_open: No such file or directory |
| 07:41.57 | kergoth | hm, so the current tux build is building 2.4.18-rmk6-tux1? out of curiosity, why are the vars overriding the 2.4.19 values? |
| 07:42.00 | kergoth | fontenot: hehe |
| 07:42.04 | kergoth | fontenot: fun |
| 07:42.11 | fontenot | i have another word for it |
| 07:42.13 | kergoth | fontenot: the tslib device wasnt able to be opened |
| 07:42.22 | kergoth | fontenot: default is /dev/touchscreen/ucb1x00, unless you override |
| 07:42.32 | kergoth | does cat < /dev/touchscreen/ucb1x00 work? |
| 07:42.41 | fontenot | yeah usually I have to read the source til I find out what the error message is talking about |
| 07:42.54 | fontenot | not an efficient way to go |
| 07:43.06 | kergoth | I'll push a patch to improve verbosity |
| 07:43.11 | kergoth | i'm knee deep in the code already anyway |
| 07:43.23 | fontenot | is that a devfs device ? |
| 07:43.40 | fontenot | because on ipaq it's just /dev/ucb1x00-ts |
| 07:44.20 | fontenot | i will just look at my other tux - I left the old code on it just so I could use the tslib configs and stuff |
| 07:44.46 | kergoth | yeah i think thats the devfs path |
| 07:44.46 | kergoth | k |
| 07:45.13 | fontenot | yeah I found the env vars I was setting: |
| 07:45.16 | fontenot | export TSLIB_TSDEVICE=/dev/ucb1x00-ts |
| 07:45.16 | fontenot | export TSLIB_PLUGINDIR=/usr/local/lib/ts |
| 07:45.16 | fontenot | export TSLIB_CONFFILE=/usr/local/bin/ts.conf |
| 07:45.16 | fontenot | export TSLIB_CALIBFILE=/usr/local/bin/ts.calib |
| 07:45.31 | kergoth | ah |
| 07:48.54 | fontenot | ts_open: Inappropriate ioctl for device |
| 07:48.59 | fontenot | this could go on all night |
| 07:49.10 | kergoth | eh, did you try using cat first? |
| 07:49.14 | kergoth | cat < /dev/ucb1x00-ts |
| 07:49.15 | kergoth | tap on the display |
| 07:49.17 | kergoth | do you see garbage? |
| 07:49.41 | fontenot | hmm no :-( |
| 07:50.01 | kergoth | well, thats not definitive. redirect it to a file |
| 07:50.16 | kergoth | cat < /dev/ucb1x00-ts > tsstuff & |
| 07:50.23 | kergoth | *tap tap* |
| 07:50.26 | kergoth | ls -l tsstuff |
| 07:50.46 | fontenot | nothing |
| 07:50.56 | fontenot | tho have you ever done that on a tux? |
| 07:50.59 | fontenot | just a sec |
| 07:51.05 | fontenot | gonna try it on other tux |
| 07:51.28 | kergoth | its the blind leading the blind here i'm afraid :) |
| 07:51.37 | fontenot | also nothing |
| 07:51.50 | fontenot | see the ucb1x00 driver is differnt |
| 07:51.51 | kergoth | odd. some sort of data should be coming from the device. |
| 07:51.59 | kergoth | heh, dood, I know the driver well |
| 07:52.02 | kergoth | I patched it to support the Z |
| 07:52.05 | kergoth | :) |
| 07:52.32 | kergoth | does sound like this could be a driver problem though |
| 07:52.40 | kergoth | are there any interrupts from the ucb1x00 on /proc/interrupts? |
| 07:53.01 | fontenot | yeah |
| 07:53.31 | fontenot | one interrupt per tap |
| 07:53.36 | kergoth | okay, good sign |
| 07:53.44 | kergoth | guess the driver isnt doing much with it though *g* |
| 07:53.49 | fontenot | but why nothing in cat ? |
| 07:54.03 | fontenot | if your driver works that way and it's same driver... |
| 07:54.04 | fontenot | ? |
| 07:54.05 | kergoth | thats the question, isnt it |
| 07:54.24 | kergoth | this driver works, yes. in fact, I confirmed I can use ts_calibrate, and ts_test works flawlessly |
| 07:54.54 | fontenot | yeah I got those all somewhat working in november |
| 07:55.03 | fontenot | on the old tux |
| 07:56.12 | fontenot | just tried ts_test on old tux still works |
| 07:56.20 | fontenot | just need to make new tux like old one |
| 07:57.35 | kergoth | okay, and is the kernel different, or only user space? |
| 07:57.59 | fontenot | same kernel version, built mor recently tho |
| 07:58.13 | fontenot | tho the old tux behaves exactly same way re cat |
| 08:00.02 | fontenot | damn I hope tslib isnt out of sync with kernel driver |
| 08:00.53 | fontenot | why are the error messages so useless? ts_open: Inappropriate ioctl for device |
| 08:03.15 | fontenot | i guess one test is to find the old tslib binaries and try them on new tux |
| 08:03.20 | kergoth | inappropriate ioctl for device isnt a useless message |
| 08:03.27 | kergoth | its attempting an ioctl() and failing |
| 08:03.33 | fontenot | which device? what ioctl ? |
| 08:03.34 | kergoth | it'd be better if it said which ioctl :) |
| 08:03.38 | kergoth | what device? uhh |
| 08:03.40 | kergoth | it only opens one |
| 08:03.45 | fontenot | yeah? |
| 08:03.47 | fontenot | and? |
| 08:03.47 | kergoth | the one you specified in your TSLIB_TSDEVICE env var |
| 08:03.59 | kergoth | the touchscreen device is the only one it opens |
| 08:04.00 | fontenot | if I *assume* that it's picking that up |
| 08:04.08 | kergoth | if its exported, it is. |
| 08:04.14 | kergoth | heh |
| 08:04.20 | fontenot | if something gets lost between env and open then? |
| 08:04.28 | fontenot | what if they changed the env var names ? |
| 08:04.28 | kergoth | then it'll revert to default |
| 08:04.32 | kergoth | which would see the ts_open error |
| 08:04.38 | kergoth | not the inapporpriate ioctl errrot |
| 08:04.39 | kergoth | error |
| 08:04.49 | fontenot | ok I'll give you that one |
| 08:04.54 | kergoth | :) |
| 08:05.13 | fontenot | I guess I keep hoping that tslib will become more usable for someone who does not have the source memorized |
| 08:05.41 | kergoth | It will |
| 08:05.46 | kergoth | when you submit a patch to do so |
| 08:05.48 | kergoth | :P |
| 08:06.12 | fontenot | if I could get the damn thing to actually work I might be able to do that |
| 08:06.28 | fontenot | obviously it works for ither ppl |
| 08:07.18 | fontenot | no fast way to get binaries from one tux to the other |
| 08:10.26 | fontenot | time to do a code comparison between nov and now |
| 08:10.38 | kergoth | are we having fun yet? ;) |
| 08:12.22 | fontenot | yes I am having the same amount of fun I always have with tslib this being the third time I have tried to get it going over about 8 months |
| 08:12.34 | fontenot | hmm the ioctl code has not changed |
| 08:12.36 | fontenot | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:15.40 | fontenot | so if the only occurence of ioctl is in ts_open.c and that has not changed... |
| 08:15.42 | fontenot | confusing |
| 08:18.08 | kergoth | brb |
| 08:22.07 | fontenot | oh darn I think I know what I did wrong |
| 08:32.24 | fontenot | now I can oops my kernel over and over whee |
| 08:32.39 | fontenot | how can a userspace program oops the kernel ? |
| 08:33.38 | kergoth | its doing something via an interface into the kernel (character device, proc interface, syscall) which is resulting in something in kernel space responding badly to it |
| 08:33.42 | kergoth | b00m b00m |
| 08:34.48 | fontenot | so kernel is broken |
| 08:35.02 | kergoth | yep |
| 08:35.13 | fontenot | i found my other error and fixed it. but things got worse |
| 08:35.22 | fontenot | how do I even decode the oops on the tux ? |
| 08:35.41 | fontenot | pass system map to ksymoops on host pc ? |
| 08:36.27 | fontenot | so I can oops with ldd and oops with ts device |
| 08:36.59 | fontenot | really - above you said to decode the oops - how do I do that for tux ? |
| 08:37.42 | kergoth | you'd have to use serial console or something |
| 08:37.42 | kergoth | yeah |
| 08:37.42 | kergoth | capture it, send through ksymoops w/ vmlinux and System.map that match the tux kernel |
| 08:38.42 | kergoth | pass it a vmlinux and System.map that were built by the tux kernel sources |
| 08:38.50 | kergoth | sources which match the kernel on the tux |
| 08:39.20 | fontenot | yeah ok |
| 08:40.00 | fontenot | so I am no longer working on tslib I am trying to find a kernel bug |
| 08:40.53 | kergoth | looks that way |
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| 08:43.23 | fontenot | hm ksymoops really wants to use all the stuff on the host pc - stuff in /proc |
| 08:47.36 | kergoth | cat myoops | ksymoops -K -L -O -m ./tuxkernel/System.map -v ./tuxkernel/vmlinux |
| 08:48.49 | fontenot | hmm I'm not sure I have enough of an oops to decode |
| 08:50.04 | fontenot | i only have 7 lines |
| 08:57.30 | fontenot | i dont know where to go from here |
| 08:57.40 | kergoth | wasnt able to decode it? |
| 08:57.44 | fontenot | no |
| 08:57.48 | andersee | kergoth: I did the 2.4.19-rmk6 tux patch |
| 08:57.53 | fontenot | it's only 7 lines - does that sound right ? |
| 08:57.59 | andersee | kergoth: took me about 20 mins |
| 08:58.17 | fontenot | so there is a newer kernel ? |
| 08:58.21 | fontenot | I would like to try it |
| 08:58.23 | kergoth | yeah i saw that |
| 08:58.26 | andersee | kergoth: but I never fixed up the oopes, etc, so I left it 2.4.18-blah by defaut |
| 08:58.27 | fontenot | maybe it wont oops |
| 08:58.31 | kergoth | ahh |
| 08:58.34 | kergoth | gotcha.. |
| 08:58.41 | fontenot | you mean thre are more oopses ? |
| 08:58.56 | fontenot | how can ldd cause an oops ? |
| 08:59.15 | andersee | fontenot: what kernel? |
| 09:00.00 | fontenot | andersee: default tux kernel |
| 09:00.06 | andersee | hmm |
| 09:00.10 | fontenot | Linux tuxscreen 2.4.18-rmk6-tux1 #1 Thu Mar 6 19:46:50 PST 2003 armv4l unknown |
| 09:00.15 | andersee | k |
| 09:00.24 | fontenot | and Linux tuxscreen 2.4.18-rmk6-tux1 #1 Sat Nov 16 17:41:47 PST 2002 armv4l unknown |
| 09:00.31 | fontenot | same kernel just compiled at different times |
| 09:00.38 | andersee | dunno man |
| 09:00.41 | andersee | ~ # uname -a |
| 09:00.41 | andersee | Linux tuxscreen 2.4.18-rmk6-tux1 #1 Mon Mar 3 14:35:29 MST 2003 armv4l unknown |
| 09:00.41 | andersee | ~ # ldd /bin/true |
| 09:00.42 | andersee | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:00.42 | andersee | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:00.42 | fontenot | both oops when I ldd ts_test or any of the ts_ apps |
| 09:00.49 | fontenot | yes yes |
| 09:00.54 | fontenot | some apps can ldd fine |
| 09:01.03 | fontenot | but not tslib apps |
| 09:01.14 | kergoth | odd. |
| 09:01.21 | fontenot | and latest tslib oopses kernel every time it tries to access the device |
| 09:01.45 | fontenot | because ts_test prints continuous oopses while ts_print_raw only prints one |
| 09:02.01 | andersee | fontenot: ldd executes the app's shared lib loader |
| 09:02.37 | fontenot | would be nice to have strings in busybox |
| 09:02.46 | andersee | fontenot: got it in unstable |
| 09:03.47 | fontenot | is the shared lib loader in a strin in the binary ? |
| 09:04.01 | fontenot | can I find out of it's somehow wrong in these binaries ? |
| 09:04.34 | andersee | fontenot: run 'readelf <appname>' |
| 09:05.02 | andersee | oops |
| 09:05.45 | fontenot | which options did you have inmind ? |
| 09:06.07 | andersee | fontenot: none |
| 09:06.23 | andersee | fontenot: readelf on the tux is the tiny uClibc one |
| 09:06.29 | fontenot | oooh on the tux |
| 09:06.31 | fontenot | just a sec |
| 09:06.40 | andersee | fontenot: look at INTERP |
| 09:07.16 | kergoth | andersee: you know any good books or resources on linking? was thinking about picking up 'linkers and loaders' |
| 09:07.27 | fontenot | hmm it just says : |
| 09:07.31 | fontenot | /usr/local/bin # /usr/bin/readelf /usr/X11R6/bin/Xfbdev |
| 09:07.31 | fontenot | /usr/bin/readelf: No such file or directory |
| 09:08.07 | fontenot | even says that when run with no args |
| 09:08.44 | fontenot | this is obviously one of those days where nothing is going to work right |
| 09:08.53 | kergoth | its a MONDAY |
| 09:09.09 | kergoth | though its tuesday, its still a proverbial MONDAY |
| 09:09.09 | kergoth | heh |
| 09:09.24 | fontenot | why would readelf behave that way? |
| 09:09.50 | andersee | fontenot: readelf was built wrong |
| 09:10.13 | andersee | fontenot: when did you grab uClibc last? |
| 09:10.16 | andersee | Hmm |
| 09:10.23 | fontenot | maybe other things were built werong too ? |
| 09:10.23 | andersee | I think I use stock .19 now |
| 09:10.26 | andersee | grr |
| 09:10.27 | fontenot | I am |
| 09:10.35 | fontenot | but both machines behave that way |
| 09:10.38 | andersee | That bug was fixed post uClibc .19 |
| 09:10.44 | fontenot | one on stop 19 and the other something from november |
| 09:10.46 | andersee | The readelf build bug |
| 09:10.53 | fontenot | oooh |
| 09:10.57 | andersee | anyways |
| 09:11.02 | andersee | no biggie |
| 09:11.17 | fontenot | assuming we dont have readelf what can I do ? |
| 09:11.23 | andersee | you can do the same using the cross tools on the build host |
| 09:11.33 | fontenot | ah cross tools |
| 09:11.36 | fontenot | just a sec |
| 09:12.31 | fontenot | ok those readelfs really want a flag or 2 |
| 09:13.07 | fontenot | BTW since elf is elf cant I use the native readelf just the same ? |
| 09:13.34 | fontenot | they seem to give same output |
| 09:17.54 | kergoth | tux has what, a sa1100? |
| 09:18.16 | fontenot | Processor : Intel StrongARM-1100 rev 9 (v4l) |
| 09:18.25 | kergoth | thanks |
| 09:20.02 | fontenot | if we can assume that's accurate :-) |
| 09:21.06 | fontenot | hmm I thought maybe ldd didnt like apps that link libdl but it likes Xfbdev and that links it :-\ |
| 09:23.01 | fontenot | tho I'm not sure what tinyx uses it for... |
| 09:24.44 | fontenot | hm no it doesnt according to readelf yet it does according to ldd on tux |
| 09:27.53 | fontenot | andersee: maybe something changed in the libdl of uclibc since november ? |
| 09:30.55 | andersee | fontenot: plenty of changes |
| 09:31.21 | andersee | kergoth: hmm. I've never had a book on the subject |
| 09:32.16 | fontenot | andersee: can you think of things that would confuse the dynamic loader / ldd ? I would like to help find a bug in uclibc if it exists :-) |
| 09:32.39 | fontenot | I'm looking at readelf of the binaries but nothing really jumps out except that they link in libdl |
| 09:32.44 | kergoth | andersee: just looking for resources, as I know very very little about such things |
| 09:33.24 | andersee | Wish I could recommend a book to you |
| 09:33.32 | andersee | kergoth: if you find a good one, lemme know |
| 09:35.07 | fontenot | andersee: any readelf reports you wanna see ? |
| 09:38.21 | andersee | fontenot: nah |
| 09:38.41 | andersee | fontenot: besides I have a crapload of work I need to finish up tonight |
| 09:38.46 | fontenot | any suggestions ? |
| 09:38.48 | andersee | fontenot: so I should quit goofing off |
| 09:38.49 | andersee | :) |
| 09:39.53 | fontenot | ok |
| 09:40.36 | fontenot | I'll keep banging on it |
| 09:42.21 | kergoth | hrm |
| 09:42.36 | kergoth | this c700's touchscreen digitizer goes beyond the edge of the visible LCD |
| 09:42.53 | kergoth | to a little 'button bar' with 5 buttons on it |
| 09:43.13 | kergoth | how to handle this.. calibration will have to take it into account |
| 09:43.15 | kergoth | hrmph |
| 09:43.21 | scanline | shouldn't need to |
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| 09:43.39 | kergoth | scanline: if i dont, tapping on that button bar registers as a tap on the right side of the visible lcd. |
| 09:43.53 | scanline | the VTech Helio has a Palm-style silkscreen- it just calibrates normally, and the silkscreen returns values outside the screen resolution |
| 09:44.12 | kergoth | heh |
| 09:44.18 | scanline | that's not a calibration problem, just cut out the code that clips the result to the LCD.. should work? |
| 09:44.45 | kergoth | well the calibration is of course going to scale X to ensure the values line up |
| 09:44.47 | kergoth | right |
| 09:45.16 | kergoth | hrmph |
| 09:45.21 | kergoth | the helio code available anywhere? |
| 09:45.32 | kergoth | maybe i should just sleep and finish tomorrow |
| 09:45.33 | kergoth | heh |
| 09:46.13 | scanline | kergoth: picogui repository, but there's no special code for that, just part of picogui's touchscreen layer |
| 09:46.42 | scanline | there's a client-side app that can add an input filter to monitor clicks outside the screen, and launch apps or whatever |
| 09:48.37 | kergoth | hrm, maybe I'm wrong and its really 480x600 |
| 09:48.49 | kergoth | because those clicks are being registered as within the display |
| 09:49.52 | scanline | is it clamping them to the edge, or doing something more funky? |
| 09:49.56 | kergoth | so i can tap on everything normally, except the stuff on far right, which is consistently approx 30-40 pixels off |
| 09:50.11 | kergoth | tap on upper right of visable actually registers 30 pixels to the left of where i tapped |
| 09:50.19 | scanline | funky... |
| 09:50.20 | kergoth | roughly equivalent to the size of the silkscreened area |
| 09:50.24 | kergoth | very |
| 09:50.26 | kergoth | its annoying |
| 09:50.44 | kergoth | cause the close button is in the upper right, and i'm sitting here tapping blindly on that area trying to hit it |
| 09:50.47 | kergoth | :) |
| 09:53.14 | kergoth | i dont get it |
| 09:53.19 | kergoth | maybe i'll get it in the morning |
| 09:53.21 | kergoth | heh |
| 09:53.49 | scanline | good luck |
| 09:54.01 | kergoth | such a stupid thing to be hung up on |
| 09:54.25 | kergoth | the tslib opie support was a breeze, making qt/e read and use the kernel keymap was a breeze, and i get stuck on the stupid silkscreened buttonbar dealy |
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| 14:49.03 | chouimat | morning |
| 14:49.50 | TimRiker | morning. |
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| 14:50.53 | TimRiker | all: DCipher is a friend. his company is just getting into embedded Linux. |
| 14:51.02 | chouimat | hi DCipher |
| 14:51.04 | DCipher | or trying to |
| 14:51.07 | DCipher | hi all |
| 14:51.38 | sjhill | lo' |
| 14:51.40 | TimRiker | so if you have an m68k or arm7 or a mmu-less chip, then ucLinux is an option. |
| 14:51.53 | DCipher | well, we haven't chosen our chip yet |
| 14:51.56 | TimRiker | as you get smaller than that, linux is probably not the right solution. |
| 14:52.03 | chouimat | why when TimRiker said that I got the picture of the doctor nick entering the #channel ... |
| 14:52.56 | TimRiker | for larger systems, ie: 4M flash and up, 8M ram and up, then Linux can fit comfortably even with a gui front end. |
| 14:53.22 | DCipher | well, we're basically looking at 32 bit chips w/ and w/out mmus, trying to figure out what RTOS's are available... |
| 14:53.25 | TimRiker | to get a decent browser on a color display, you should shoot for 16/16 or so. |
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| 14:53.44 | chouimat | hi TomW |
| 14:53.52 | TimRiker | what's the general desired functionality? |
| 14:53.53 | TomW | 'lo |
| 14:54.08 | DCipher | couple of devices |
| 14:54.41 | TimRiker | ibot: fishslap TomW for not being awake yet |
| 14:54.43 | | ACTION slaps TomW up side the head with a wet fish for not being awake yet |
| 14:54.44 | DCipher | 1. Panel that will be like a router: local db, TCP/IP |
| 14:54.57 | DCipher | 2. Modules that will communicate with the panel |
| 14:55.03 | TimRiker | k, no gui needed there. likely a web admin front end, yes? |
| 14:55.10 | DCipher | exactly |
| 14:55.33 | TomW | TimRiker: sounds like some of the stuff I work with: security systesm |
| 14:55.35 | DCipher | web front end to the panel and panel will communicate with the modules |
| 14:55.45 | DCipher | hmmm... perhaps ;) |
| 14:56.16 | TimRiker | k. bootloader, linux, pcmcia, http, busybox, tinylogin, ipv4, ipsec, ipv6 etc would all fit in 2M flash, 4M ram. |
| 14:56.30 | TimRiker | spped issues? ie: whats the max through traffic? |
| 14:56.47 | DCipher | ah, well, typically not much traffic |
| 14:56.47 | TimRiker | s/spped/speed |
| 14:56.55 | DCipher | very low b/w between devices |
| 14:57.10 | DCipher | except... will be streaming video & VOIP |
| 14:57.16 | TomW | DCipher: I am about to design an ARM system that will have 6 serial ports (mixed RS232 & RS485), ethernet, LCD, touch. It will use html to configure it. |
| 14:57.25 | TimRiker | then anything from a coldfire/ucLinux up should do ya. |
| 14:57.40 | DCipher | right, my concern is stability |
| 14:57.50 | DCipher | did i mention stability? |
| 14:58.08 | TimRiker | DCipher: will the video/voip be encoded/decoded on the device? or just passed through? |
| 14:58.17 | DCipher | passed through |
| 14:58.34 | chouimat | DCipher: like a router? |
| 14:58.39 | DCipher | 'xactly |
| 14:58.56 | TimRiker | arm-linux is popular and stable. we (TI) are using it on OMAP chips (dual arm/dsp) too. |
| 14:59.24 | DCipher | well, i guess what i need to find out, is ... what are all the variants, what they support, etc. |
| 14:59.45 | DCipher | and if you/all think this is a smart OS choice for this type of product |
| 15:00.18 | chouimat | DCipher: I'm using freebsd for all my firewall/vpn products |
| 15:00.49 | TimRiker | DCipher: propriatary OSes might give you slightly faster routing, but not by much. and all the other add ons would be tougher, plus the licensing costs. I'd say Linux is a good fit for what you are doing. |
| 15:01.09 | TomW | linux works for most non-critical realtime stuff. When you get into millisecond timings, things get tricky. |
| 15:01.32 | TimRiker | freebsd is also a good choice, but I'd say Linux is a bit more popular at present, and likely in the future too. |
| 15:01.33 | DCipher | we are not too worried about the mission critcal stuff |
| 15:01.38 | DCipher | we ain't building fighter jets |
| 15:01.59 | TimRiker | meeting |
| 15:02.05 | DCipher | k... later Tim |
| 15:02.25 | DCipher | so, we talked with folks from ucLinux |
| 15:02.37 | DCipher | they seemed pretty knowledgable |
| 15:03.00 | TomW | yeah, I haven't tinkered with uClinux in a while. I have been "entranced" by the ARM stuff. |
| 15:03.30 | DCipher | TomW: what's the stuff you are working on? |
| 15:03.32 | TomW | the main thing that turned me away from uClinux was the issue of recovering memory . |
| 15:04.02 | DCipher | i'm a newbie when it comes to this stuff... come from the dark side |
| 15:04.31 | TomW | memory fragmentation was an issue with uClinux. |
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| 15:04.42 | DCipher | TomW: issue with recov memory? |
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| 15:05.46 | mallum | kergoth`zzz: wakey wakey |
| 15:06.19 | TomW | As it was, if you malloc hunks of memory and hold onto them (forever), you were ok. But, say you have a program that alloc/frees a bunck of memory blocks on a regular basis, you can easily end up with a patchwork of memory that is free & used. Then when you go to alloc a larger hunk than usual, it will fail. |
| 15:06.56 | DCipher | doesn't realloc memory & defrag? |
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| 15:07.41 | mallum | chouimat: you know netbsd pretty good ? |
| 15:08.01 | TomW | the MMU virtualizes the address of memory so that your memory manager (software) can move that memory block to a new location (by copying its' contents) then you can release that physical memory block, effectively merging two smaller blocks into a larger block that can now be re-malloc'ed again. |
| 15:08.50 | DCipher | TomW: but your software has to manage all that? |
| 15:08.55 | TomW | DCipher: not when I was playing with it abt 18 months ago. Not having an MMU in a processor *can* be a severe liability in some applications. |
| 15:09.06 | sieve | morning all. I guess I forgot to log out last night...hmm. |
| 15:09.24 | DCipher | TomW: sounds like you are doing something very similar to us |
| 15:09.32 | TomW | no, well, ... you have to keep it in mind that the potential for fragementation exists. |
| 15:10.06 | TomW | Look what happens in MSDOS with disc fragmentation, ok, that is what was happening in uClinux with the memory. |
| 15:10.34 | DCipher | ah, right, but you could write some pretty simple defrag routines |
| 15:10.46 | DCipher | just have to update all your pointers on the fly |
| 15:11.47 | TomW | if you alloc what you need, and hold onto it (don't free it) then you are ok. They were working on some solutions at the time to the memory fragementation issue, I just got pissed off that the whole development process of uClinux was closely held by a few individuals. They wanted to control everything and I couldn't get commit privs to the cvs. |
| 15:12.18 | DCipher | ah... so what are you using? |
| 15:12.22 | chouimat | mallum: can use it why? |
| 15:12.36 | TomW | ARM & standard version of linux now. |
| 15:12.54 | DCipher | oh, big footprint, no? |
| 15:13.06 | mallum | chouimat: just wondering how well matchbox currenlty works with it |
| 15:13.29 | TomW | ARM has plenty of MIPS to power most applications, there are a number of manufacturers offering it and the issue of memory fragmentation is nil. |
| 15:13.31 | chouimat | mallum: currently I have no x on my netbsd box |
| 15:14.15 | DCipher | memory requirements? |
| 15:14.31 | TomW | DCipher: the stuff that I design has to run by itself for months / years without reboots, etc. I do a lot of security systems work, you cannot reboot your fire alarm panels, right? |
| 15:14.32 | mallum | chouimat: okey, maybe I install netbsd on aging box here |
| 15:14.47 | DCipher | exactly |
| 15:14.51 | DCipher | same thing here |
| 15:15.00 | DCipher | we want them installed and then forget about 'em |
| 15:15.23 | chouimat | mallum: I did that on a P200MMX/64MB, the box has Win2k, beos,beos 5.1 and qnx too |
| 15:15.24 | TomW | DCipher: yeah, that is another reason I shied away from uClinux, the memory fragmentation issue is a big one. |
| 15:15.25 | DCipher | if necessary, we need to be able to update our software remotely, but not the OS |
| 15:15.51 | mallum | chouimat: ah nice idea, what bootloader - grub ? |
| 15:16.39 | TomW | DCipher: yeah, well, you probably then want to use a compact flash based file system then. This way the system keeps running while you are sending the new file up to it, then you login to the system remotely and replace the original binary with the new one. |
| 15:16.49 | DCipher | TomW: you do any consulting? |
| 15:16.51 | chouimat | mallum: no I used gag |
| 15:16.57 | TomW | DCipher: yeah |
| 15:17.08 | TomW | DCipher: tom@openhardware.net |
| 15:17.09 | DCipher | where u located? |
| 15:17.12 | sieve | hmmm... we have lots of snapgear routers out in the field. They use uclinux... crap. |
| 15:17.15 | DCipher | ok, i'll email you |
| 15:17.26 | sorphin | TomW: mornin |
| 15:17.40 | mallum | chouimat: gag ? |
| 15:17.41 | TomW | DCipher: Pennyslvania, the northeast, 70miles north of Philadelphia. |
| 15:17.52 | DCipher | k, we're just outside of boston |
| 15:17.55 | TomW | sorphin: hello |
| 15:18.06 | sieve | morning sorphin |
| 15:18.16 | sorphin | TomW: you got one of the dct's right? |
| 15:18.19 | sorphin | sieve: allo |
| 15:18.39 | mallum | chouimat: beos / qnx both freely downloadable at least ? |
| 15:18.46 | TomW | sorphin: I ordered 'em, but nothing on the doorstep yet. |
| 15:18.46 | chouimat | mallum:http://gag.sourceforge.net/ |
| 15:18.48 | chouimat | mallum: yup |
| 15:18.58 | DCipher | sieve: using uclinux? |
| 15:19.03 | chouimat | mallum: www.bebits.com |
| 15:19.13 | sorphin | TomW: ah.. well, we're waiting on you now *grin*.. |
| 15:19.18 | DCipher | TomW: Thanks for the help so far |
| 15:19.26 | sorphin | TomW: esp if you know as much about jtag as we think you do ;) |
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| 15:20.57 | prpplague | howdy all |
| 15:20.59 | sorphin | ~fishslap prpplague to wake him up (cuz we know he's not really awake yet) |
| 15:21.01 | | ACTION slaps prpplague to wake him up (cuz we know he's not really awake yet) up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 15:21.23 | sorphin | prpplague: yeah, it's that morning thing alright |
| 15:21.41 | sorphin | and it's raining in buckets here |
| 15:21.43 | prpplague | sorphin: ya well, i'm awake, just with a hang-over |
| 15:22.10 | sorphin | prpplague: that's your fault ;) |
| 15:22.37 | chouimat | hi sorphin prpplague |
| 15:22.48 | prpplague | sorphin: yep, since i've lost all this weight it doesn't take a much to know me on my ass |
| 15:22.52 | prpplague | chouimat: morn |
| 15:23.11 | chouimat | grrr -10C today |
| 15:23.46 | sieve | DCipher: yes.. the Snapgear routers use uclinux |
| 15:23.59 | sorphin | chouimat: bonjour mathieu |
| 15:25.26 | chouimat | sorphin: merci ... hmmmm trop poli a matin .... |
| 15:25.40 | DCipher | sieve: you help develop the snapgear routers? |
| 15:26.26 | sorphin | chouimat: indeed |
| 15:27.28 | sorphin | haha |
| 15:27.34 | sorphin | Amazon Sells IPAQs for $10 |
| 15:27.39 | sorphin | nice one |
| 15:27.46 | chouimat | sorphin: which model? |
| 15:27.54 | sorphin | H1910 |
| 15:28.03 | sorphin | tis a blunder apparently |
| 15:28.06 | sorphin | funny tho |
| 15:28.25 | sorphin | heh |
| 15:28.35 | sorphin | the feds are gonna much w/ GPS again.. ba |
| 15:28.37 | sorphin | bah |
| 15:28.49 | CosmicPenguin | Thats it |
| 15:28.57 | CosmicPenguin | I'm done - I can't handle it |
| 15:29.06 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: ? |
| 15:29.12 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: greg? |
| 15:29.16 | CosmicPenguin | Pixil is now dead - I'm bailing on the rest of my contract |
| 15:29.22 | sorphin | doh |
| 15:30.01 | sorphin | heh, /. has some funny stuff today |
| 15:30.16 | sorphin | The high-cost filter being sold on Ebay and through email Spam to bypass Pay-Per-View (PPV) digital cable systems is a readily available filter that only temporarily blocks the PPV charges... |
| 15:30.17 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: whats the story? |
| 15:30.33 | sorphin | seen those filters... a joke and a 1/2 and people actually bought em |
| 15:30.39 | sorphin | prpplague: greg prolly pushed him too far |
| 15:36.04 | sieve | DCipher: no.. we just have a lot out in the field |
| 15:38.47 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I don't want to talk about it |
| 15:45.35 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: sorry to here about it |
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| 15:46.11 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: time to make sure your out of your NDA and lets start a fresh project |
| 15:46.17 | prpplague | julie_: hey girl |
| 15:46.31 | prpplague | julie_: exterminated any cell phones lately? |
| 15:46.33 | julie_ | morning |
| 15:46.38 | julie_ | I'm about to |
| 15:46.38 | TomW | LOL |
| 15:46.55 | TomW | nuts, everybody on this channel is nuts! |
| 15:47.08 | julie_ | don't tell my doctor |
| 15:47.31 | chouimat | TomW: yup .... |
| 15:47.42 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Yep |
| 15:48.03 | TomW | julie_: just mention that you did something, then you are never forgiven. |
| 15:48.05 | chouimat | brb phone |
| 15:48.31 | TomW | prpplague: good morning Dave |
| 15:48.46 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I thought I got fired - why the hell am I still taking this kind of abuse? |
| 15:49.05 | julie_ | because you love it |
| 15:49.14 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: it builds character? |
| 15:49.43 | CosmicPenguin | I don't love it - thats why I got fired in the first place |
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| 15:50.00 | TomW | :( |
| 15:50.01 | CosmicPenguin | Its my sad dependence on his checkbook that keeps me coming back |
| 15:50.26 | CosmicPenguin | And of course, my undying love for a tarball full of code that is certain to send me to an early grave |
| 15:50.32 | TomW | yeah, I got one of those, you have to find ways to keep 'em interested. |
| 15:51.03 | prpplague | TomW: morning |
| 15:52.32 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya keep him interested......use a french maid costume.....,lol |
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| 15:54.06 | TomW | consultant == prostitute. |
| 15:54.38 | chouimat | TomW: very true ... |
| 15:55.55 | CosmicPenguin | Which I'm ok with - generally |
| 15:56.00 | DCipher | sieve: sorry, computer crashed before i saw your response to my ? re: did you do devel on uCLinux? |
| 15:56.14 | CosmicPenguin | But I committed the first crime of the prostitute - I got emotionally involved in the job |
| 15:56.50 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: lol |
| 15:56.52 | sorphin | TomW: you mean just outright whore |
| 15:57.03 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: does the lack of spaces in the survey script annoy you? |
| 15:57.25 | sorphin | Morn: trashing cell phone eh? |
| 15:57.26 | sieve | DCipher: no.. we just have several snapgears out in the field and it worries me about what you said regarding memory and uclinux. |
| 15:57.38 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: spaces? not that i know of.... |
| 15:58.00 | Morn | sorphin: no, but my cat is wondering why I keep yelling at the phone |
| 15:58.52 | prpplague | sieve: we should get a good dev board from snapgear to do some dev |
| 15:59.05 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: fun |
| 15:59.08 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: good luck with that |
| 15:59.58 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: what about the output/text widget? |
| 16:00.08 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: thats what I'm working on |
| 16:00.11 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: thats not clear? |
| 16:00.20 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you expressions engine |
| 16:00.39 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: $a + $b is an expression, is it not? |
| 16:01.08 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: agreed, but...., oh nm |
| 16:01.13 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: lol |
| 16:01.34 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: sync? |
| 16:01.47 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: later |
| 16:01.51 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ok |
| 16:04.04 | sieve | prpplague: I wonder what the cost is on a dev board from snapgear. |
| 16:04.35 | prpplague | sieve: we still have the net+arm board that we need to work with |
| 16:08.41 | chouimat | grrrr my isp mail server is down |
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| 16:15.56 | mallum | kergoth: hey hey hey |
| 16:16.10 | kergoth | hey |
| 16:16.51 | *** part/#elinux DCipher (~irc@h0050da0d0a12.ne.client2.attbi.com) |
| 16:17.08 | TomW | sorphin: sometimes I feel like that, humph, gotta put up with the shame so I can enjoy the life style. |
| 16:17.38 | TomW | sorphin: today, I am going to help a friend get started with PHP, apache & mysql. |
| 16:17.45 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 16:17.49 | mallum | kergoth: I fixed the x x-compile probs with evil symlink temp staging dir hell |
| 16:17.50 | CosmicPenguin | s/PHP/Perl/ |
| 16:18.01 | kergoth | mallum: yay |
| 16:18.05 | sorphin | TomW: nod |
| 16:18.20 | sorphin | TomW: saw my mention about jtag and the dct ? |
| 16:18.23 | TomW | naw, he is not ready to understand perl. He is a converting VB programmer (ASP). |
| 16:18.55 | TomW | sorphin: yeah, I think that we maybe mod the jflash util for use in programming the DTC-5000? |
| 16:19.33 | sorphin | TomW: yeah, except we have to figure out which flash to hit |
| 16:19.37 | sorphin | there's an AMD |
| 16:19.43 | sorphin | theres an intel strataflash |
| 16:19.56 | sorphin | and there's a pair of other identical intel chips |
| 16:19.58 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: I introduced him to linux about 6 months ago, he had me convert his small ISP over to linux and he likes the stability & functionality he now has. |
| 16:20.35 | mallum | kergoth: I want to add a couple more subpackages ( x11perf etc ) and then I'll mail it over to you / put it somewhere pub |
| 16:20.48 | kergoth | mallum: sounds good |
| 16:21.06 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: plus, Mico$oft quoted him > $50K to upgrade to Win2000 servers, I like the fact that I was able to cheat M$ out of that money. :D |
| 16:21.07 | kergoth | mallum: man, i'm hung up on the qt/e support |
| 16:21.19 | mallum | kergoth: how do you mean ? |
| 16:21.22 | kergoth | mallum: ts taps on the far right of the visable display are offset 30-40 pixels to the left |
| 16:21.25 | kergoth | mallum: quite odd |
| 16:21.35 | CosmicPenguin | TomW: thats always a good thing |
| 16:21.48 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: "warm glowy feeling" |
| 16:21.57 | kergoth | mallum: note that if i use opie to calibrate, then run ts_test, its great.. so it must be a bug in passing the event up through qte |
| 16:22.07 | kergoth | annoying. |
| 16:22.07 | mallum | kergoth: yeah, i think Im getting that a little with X, maybe no so bad ( say 5 pixels ) |
| 16:22.21 | chouimat | kergoth: morning |
| 16:23.06 | kergoth | mallum: does X have a means of handling that buttonbar on the right? that is, ts events from outside the visable display? |
| 16:23.12 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: what about me? :P :) |
| 16:23.13 | sieve | CosmicPenguin: I can poke prpplague is you want.. I sit next to the guy. |
| 16:23.16 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: principles are for barbie dolls |
| 16:23.26 | CosmicPenguin | sieve: nah - he knows what I'm talking about |
| 16:23.31 | mallum | kergoth: hmm, havn't tried - let me see |
| 16:23.33 | TomW | sorphin: hmm, big, heavy box on my doorstep... |
| 16:23.38 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: but I don't want to detroy the project just to get it released, know what I'm saying? |
| 16:23.49 | kergoth | mallum: just curious, cause then you can associate those 'buttons' to app launches and the like :) |
| 16:23.54 | TomW | sorphin: says General Instruments on it... |
| 16:23.59 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i was quite impressed when i saw the shots of pixil remember? :) |
| 16:24.04 | sorphin | TomW: that'd be it ;) |
| 16:24.06 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: thats true - |
| 16:24.28 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: and i'm picky ;) |
| 16:24.38 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: if you want me to sign NDA to have a play I will - If your using mb I could probably improve interaction etc |
| 16:24.57 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya ya, i was gonna purchase one from hsn and just have it shipped to you |
| 16:25.32 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: I wish I could |
| 16:25.36 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: and don't forget, you'll be one up on scanline already, someone can actually use pixil ;) (btw, dunno if you saw last night, he didn't mind the joke about user vs pixil) |
| 16:26.04 | scanline | :) |
| 16:26.27 | sorphin | speak of the devil ;) |
| 16:26.43 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: I could use some help figuring out the bestway to get matchbox to emulate the Pixil look and feel, though |
| 16:26.51 | scanline | pretty much the only things that will get me mad GUI-wise are people telling me I should be writing Qt/E code instead ;) |
| 16:26.56 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: erm.. user vs picogui vs pixil even |
| 16:27.05 | sorphin | scanline: no one should be doing that ;) |
| 16:27.12 | scanline | indeed |
| 16:27.17 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: see - I love PicoGUI - the engine is far better than anything else out there |
| 16:27.18 | TomW | sorphin: that's a big unit! |
| 16:27.27 | sorphin | TomW: yes, it is |
| 16:27.29 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: sure, its probably possible - the current mb themeing engine ( in cvs ) is _very_ flexible |
| 16:27.33 | sorphin | TomW: wait till you get it open ;) |
| 16:27.34 | CosmicPenguin | I don't agree with the concept of integrated widgets, but hey... |
| 16:27.42 | sorphin | TomW: lots of embedded goodness in there |
| 16:28.29 | scanline | CosmicPenguin: the picogui 2.0 architecture we have in the planning should improve that... what's currently a monolithic server will become a constellation of simple servers, like the HURD but with an IPC layer that can become as thin or thick as necessary |
| 16:28.46 | sorphin | TomW: when you get it open, you'll notice a long socketed chip next to the board above the smartcard reader.. ken discovered if you pull that chip, it does -0- |
| 16:30.00 | TomW | screwy a/c cord on it. |
| 16:30.08 | sorphin | heh |
| 16:30.16 | sorphin | no diff than the xbox or the tivos |
| 16:30.47 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: if I defect from MW, will you adopt me? :) |
| 16:30.56 | scanline | CosmicPenguin: sure |
| 16:31.01 | sorphin | hehe |
| 16:31.03 | scanline | :) |
| 16:31.06 | TomW | sorphin: got to get my Dremel |
| 16:31.13 | scanline | mmm.. Dremel... |
| 16:31.34 | sorphin | TomW: yeah.. i ended up fighting w/ those screws and finally the ac cord seperator on my pliers did the trick |
| 16:31.49 | prpplague | scanline: here here, i hate it when ppl insist that i need to be using qt/e |
| 16:33.08 | prpplague | sorphin: doesn't matter if he likes it, kergoth doesn't pester everyone around him to use it |
| 16:33.10 | scanline | prpplague: not to rant, but that's the bad taste the Opie folk left in my mouth.. Harlekin actually told me what I'm doing is bad because it fragments GUIs on linux, and that I should join him instead |
| 16:33.35 | chouimat | TomW: got 2 of those? |
| 16:33.36 | prpplague | scanline: man thats crazy |
| 16:33.39 | scanline | sorphin: kergoth said he likes Qt, but not the /E parts |
| 16:33.56 | chouimat | scanline: I don't like the /E part too |
| 16:34.00 | scanline | I don't really have any problems with Qt, but I don't like it either... but to me the whole /E part is crazy |
| 16:34.05 | sorphin | too weighty |
| 16:34.27 | prpplague | scanline: ya if i had more time i'd be a picogui developer |
| 16:34.31 | chouimat | not enough modularisation |
| 16:34.36 | scanline | Qt does it's job decently- it's a nice C++ widget toolkit. but it's not a complete solution, and it does nothing innovative |
| 16:34.42 | scanline | prpplague: I get that a lot :) |
| 16:35.03 | sorphin | scanline: c++ is the 1st thing i don't like about anything ;) |
| 16:35.20 | prpplague | scanline: after i get back from my traveling, i might look into it |
| 16:35.30 | scanline | C++ is good for many things, but for something as fundamental as a GUI system it's important to be as language agnostic as possible |
| 16:36.17 | TimRiker | TomW: so you got DCipher educated? ;-) |
| 16:36.34 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: http://www.cosmicpenguin.net/pub/screenshots/ |
| 16:36.43 | sorphin | scanline: i've always used C/ASM.. i was forced to take C++ for my EE degree.. the class was a breeze.. i picked up the ++ parts easy, but as soon as class was over.. i dropped em ;) |
| 16:37.32 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: I like the "Palm"-like icon |
| 16:37.34 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: ahh.. chewy pixil goodness |
| 16:37.38 | scanline | C++ is good when memory efficiency isn't that important but speed is- like in games |
| 16:38.01 | sorphin | scanline: for speed i just use asm ;) |
| 16:38.26 | scanline | only asm I've done recently has been for microcontrollers and an obfuscated C contest :) |
| 16:38.47 | scanline | I did a really really nasty obfuscated C version of "99 bottles of beer on the wall" |
| 16:38.55 | TomW | TimRiker: yeah, we gotta NDA then he can spec it and I'll see if it sounds interesting. |
| 16:39.01 | TomW | TimRiker: thanks |
| 16:39.12 | chouimat | scanline: wait to see my brainfuck version |
| 16:39.16 | scanline | coolest thing it does is read back the machine code corresponding to part of itself and decode another segment of machine code which it writes over main() with and calls |
| 16:39.20 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: what palm like icon? |
| 16:39.25 | scanline | chouimat: hehe |
| 16:39.59 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: nm |
| 16:40.21 | scanline | sorphin: I used to do asm a long time ago, but it's hard for me to stomach it any more now that I've seen better architectures |
| 16:40.37 | sorphin | scanline: nod |
| 16:42.02 | scanline | err.. s/asm/x86 asm/ |
| 16:42.04 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: ya know.. you could prolly have Pixil tshirts too w/ that logo bit on main.png ;) |
| 16:42.21 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: of course... :) |
| 16:42.36 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: the only thing new to you should be the browser |
| 16:42.47 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: I didn't want to stick it in, but of course they forced me |
| 16:43.01 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: that'd be on my list of things to rip back out ;) |
| 16:43.23 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: so will you be able to work on a similiar fltk projects? |
| 16:43.28 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: yeah - a browser is nessesary, but ViewML can only handle HTML 3.X |
| 16:43.33 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: yes - I can do that now... :) |
| 16:43.54 | sorphin | ah well |
| 16:44.14 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: what we need, is to borrow the engine from Dillo and port it to FLTK |
| 16:44.21 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: yeah |
| 16:44.32 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: or, if you are into pain, we can port the Gecko widget to use FLTK instead |
| 16:44.42 | sorphin | haha |
| 16:44.43 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: that would be nice |
| 16:44.45 | scanline | dillo is full of glibisms, but at least is isn't C++ |
| 16:44.53 | CosmicPenguin | glibisms we can handle |
| 16:45.14 | CosmicPenguin | We just need a decent engine, thats all |
| 16:45.16 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: phoenix had been nice to me, till recently.. now the damn thing will hang trying to download a file, or won't close tabs correctly |
| 16:45.39 | sorphin | me has gotten way too used to tabbed browsing now |
| 16:45.42 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: phoenix is based on that wierd ass Mozilla GUI engine, right? |
| 16:45.45 | sorphin | at 1st i resisted doing it |
| 16:45.57 | CosmicPenguin | or is Phoenix Gecko based? |
| 16:46.00 | sorphin | but it saves having 20 browser windows open |
| 16:46.04 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: gecko |
| 16:46.07 | scanline | CosmicPenguin: what's the difference? |
| 16:46.28 | scanline | phoenix uses gecko and XUL, just like mozilla itself.. it just has more efficient XULL |
| 16:46.35 | scanline | err, XUL |
| 16:46.59 | sorphin | scanline: i'm not sure what's up w/ phoenix now |
| 16:47.06 | CosmicPenguin | Ahh - thats right. Other Gecko browsers don't use XUL |
| 16:47.17 | sorphin | .6 was fine, now it's acting crappy, and [mbm] tried their current snapshot |
| 16:47.21 | CosmicPenguin | WHen i said wierd ass engine, I meant XUL - I forget what it is called |
| 16:47.37 | chouimat | sorphin: I'm still on .5 |
| 16:47.42 | CosmicPenguin | at least, until they force me to Gnome2 against my will |
| 16:47.45 | sorphin | scanline: went to kernel list thing, the damn thing sucked up memory and crasked |
| 16:48.00 | sorphin | crashed |
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| 16:48.23 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: umm.. i was gonna look at galeon, but having to install all that stupid gnome library crap |
| 16:48.26 | sorphin | is annoying |
| 16:48.35 | sorphin | chouimat: sellout |
| 16:48.38 | scanline | galeon can work without gnome |
| 16:48.48 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: meh - I've got Gnome anyway - so might as well use it |
| 16:48.49 | chouimat | sorphin: why? |
| 16:48.49 | scanline | in gentoo you just have to add "-gnome" to your USE variable :) |
| 16:48.50 | sorphin | scanline: now w/o all the damn libs :P |
| 16:48.58 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: Skipstone might work for you |
| 16:49.10 | sorphin | chouimat: kde lover :P |
| 16:49.31 | CosmicPenguin | Rocinante: finally hacked the Dick Simon server to let you in? |
| 16:49.44 | chouimat | sorphin: it's work well for me ... I'm still waiting for Gnustep to be completed ... |
| 16:49.44 | CosmicPenguin | heh - CDE |
| 16:50.06 | CosmicPenguin | I'm still waiting for the next best thing too |
| 16:50.09 | CosmicPenguin | Pixil!!!! |
| 16:50.12 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: anything is better than kde ;) |
| 16:50.19 | TomW | interesting box, it is a "total solution" settop box for CATV, probably Subscription TV services (descrambler), VOD, and Cable Modem? |
| 16:50.25 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: pixil is just magically delicious *grin* |
| 16:50.32 | sorphin | TomW: yup |
| 16:51.03 | chouimat | TomW: new toy to play with? |
| 16:51.08 | sorphin | TomW: the 44 pin is ide, confirmed, there's 64M of mem onboard below the sodimm slot |
| 16:51.12 | sorphin | chout: he got his DCT |
| 16:51.18 | sorphin | chouimat: see above |
| 16:51.23 | chouimat | sorphin: I know :) |
| 16:51.33 | TomW | I don't think that we are going to reverse engineer a set of schematics for this puppy! Too many BGA devices on it. |
| 16:51.36 | sorphin | TomW is our real hardcore hardware guy ;) |
| 16:51.51 | sorphin | TomW: that's ok |
| 16:51.56 | scanline | TomW: know anybody that gives free samples of FPGAs? :) |
| 16:52.01 | sorphin | TomW: we just wanna bea ble to use the damn things ;) |
| 16:52.12 | TomW | chouimat: yeah, I got the DTC-5000 units here, one is waiting for you. |
| 16:52.42 | chouimat | TomW: ok ... I will check with my accountant who is doing my taxes report |
| 16:53.36 | TomW | scanline: they all pretty much do, you just have to convince them (qualify) that you intend on incorporating their stuff into your design and they all pretty much fall over themselves to sample stuff to you. The trick is to qualify. |
| 16:54.00 | sorphin | TomW: indeed |
| 16:54.12 | scanline | TomW: TI has an awesome free sample program :) |
| 16:54.31 | scanline | and now that Microchip samples, I've been doing a lot more with PICs |
| 16:55.28 | TomW | scanline: I have had tech reps stop by the house here so I could do a "show n tell". They just wanted to get a sense of who I was face-to-face and see how much "shit" I had lying around and what it was that I did have running.. :) |
| 16:55.47 | scanline | hehe |
| 16:55.52 | chouimat | can someone send a email to chouimat@videotron.ca I need to check something |
| 16:56.20 | TomW | got to go, I have a newbie MySQL person to get oriented... |
| 16:56.30 | chouimat | TomW: have fun |
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| 17:00.35 | chouimat | war in 8 hours guy |
| 17:01.00 | sorphin | chouimat: and gps will be shot to hell again for a while |
| 17:01.45 | chouimat | sorphin: :( |
| 17:02.37 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: they shut it down during war? |
| 17:02.49 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: no |
| 17:02.54 | sorphin | SA will be turned back on |
| 17:03.10 | sorphin | one of the top /. stories.. |
| 17:05.22 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: Well, I kinda agree with that |
| 17:08.27 | prpplague | anyone wanting to purchase webpals, plese drop me an email with webpals as the subject dave123@abcsinc.com |
| 17:09.11 | chouimat | sorphin: you will need to use your sextant :) |
| 17:09.19 | sorphin | chouimat: eh? |
| 17:09.34 | chouimat | sorphin: if the gps is becoming less acurate |
| 17:10.12 | sorphin | prpplague: getting them from that place that ken repointed you at ? |
| 17:11.57 | prpplague | sorphin: ya looks that way |
| 17:12.09 | prpplague | sorphin: i'll have $11 in them when they get here |
| 17:12.59 | prpplague | sorphin: i figured i'd drop in ram upgrade, cf-2-ide adapter, solder in the serial header, flash it, and include parts to make the rs-232 adapter |
| 17:13.02 | sorphin | $11 ? |
| 17:13.08 | chouimat | prpplague: I will think about it |
| 17:13.32 | prpplague | sorphin: $9 per unit + |
| 17:13.46 | prpplague | sorphin: $3 shipping per unit |
| 17:14.08 | sorphin | prpplague: ah |
| 17:14.26 | chouimat | prpplague: 9+3=12 btw |
| 17:14.38 | prpplague | chouimat: ya typo |
| 17:14.47 | prpplague | chouimat: been fat fingering the keyboard all day |
| 17:14.59 | chouimat | prpplague: not enough sleep? |
| 17:15.15 | prpplague | chouimat: too much beer last night |
| 17:15.25 | prpplague | chouimat: it was sorta of a friday for me |
| 17:15.39 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: just did here |
| 17:15.45 | chouimat | prpplague: didn't have a beer since saturday |
| 17:15.55 | prpplague | chouimat: didn't have to work late, son was over at his aunts |
| 17:16.29 | chouimat | cooooool: http://noegnud.sourceforge.net/ |
| 17:17.30 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: CNN? the Comunist News Network? lol |
| 17:17.35 | Rocinante | CosmicPenguin: Yup....Except it's no longer Dick Simon...Central Refriderated baby... |
| 17:19.06 | CosmicPenguin | Rocinante: nice - in the summer you can just move the NOC to one of the trucks |
| 17:19.36 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: you prefer to have all variables have a $ as a prefix? |
| 17:19.39 | Rocinante | CosmicPenguin: Tell me about it, crank the refer on |
| 17:19.47 | Rocinante | and work in comfort! |
| 17:20.41 | CosmicPenguin | Know what - I don't agree with this 24 hour press coverage of the war stuff |
| 17:21.11 | CosmicPenguin | Gotta keep some of the stuff secret, know what I'm saying? |
| 17:21.15 | scanline | http://homepage.mac.com/leperous/PhotoAlbum1.html |
| 17:21.47 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yes, that would be nice for consistancy |
| 17:22.32 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: gotcha |
| 17:23.04 | prpplague | ok, anyone recommend a outlook style email client thats easy to maintain? |
| 17:23.17 | ade|indy | its nice to give iraq a sporting chance :) |
| 17:23.25 | prpplague | ade|indy: hey |
| 17:23.28 | scanline | prpplague: mutt |
| 17:23.34 | prpplague | ade|indy: where our pic? |
| 17:23.44 | ade|indy | still haven't got one sorry |
| 17:23.58 | ade|indy | will take a photo when i go home for easter |
| 17:24.09 | prpplague | ade|indy: was my 20 quid the winning bid? lol |
| 17:24.23 | ade|indy | bidding was suspended |
| 17:24.42 | prpplague | scanline: i need something GUI |
| 17:24.51 | prpplague | ade|indy: ahh |
| 17:25.13 | prpplague | ade|indy: don't think she'd be upset that see only got up to 20 quid? lol |
| 17:25.20 | scanline | prpplague: mutt is GUI.. for small values of G |
| 17:26.02 | ade|indy | prpplague: i guess her boyfriend might be a bit miffed at only 20 quid |
| 17:26.08 | prpplague | scanline: let me rephrase that.......i need something to apease the m$ converts |
| 17:26.19 | prpplague | ade|indy: lol |
| 17:26.22 | scanline | prpplague: evolution? |
| 17:28.28 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: evolution is probably the best there |
| 17:29.00 | chouimat | shit! forgot my laundry in the washing machine for the last 3 days ... |
| 17:29.07 | ade|indy | lol |
| 17:30.33 | prpplague | scanline / CosmicPenguin ok thanks, i'll have a look |
| 17:30.40 | prpplague | anyone using phoenix |
| 17:30.40 | prpplague | ? |
| 17:31.13 | CosmicPenguin | heh - I know too many people that are thinking this right now: http://homepage.mac.com/leperous/.Pictures/rotc.jpg |
| 17:31.49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: lol, ya there are alot of those |
| 17:32.17 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: most of them get washed out during basic and AIT |
| 17:32.45 | chouimat | ok need to reboot |
| 17:33.06 | scanline | CosmicPenguin: my roommate's in ROTC, and overly patriotic... a few of my friends and I printed out our favorites from that site and plastered my half of the room with them :) |
| 17:33.14 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: indeed |
| 17:33.44 | prpplague | scanline / CosmicPenguin : holy-dependencies batman!! evolution is a bitch to install |
| 17:34.00 | scanline | I like mutt, and mutt I shall use |
| 17:34.00 | scanline | :) |
| 17:34.37 | sorphin | prpplague: gpsfan was still waiting for he cfide adapters anyways ;) |
| 17:34.53 | sorphin | scanline: i still use pine |
| 17:35.05 | scanline | eugh... pine is too... icky... |
| 17:35.17 | scanline | and non-free! |
| 17:35.21 | sorphin | umm |
| 17:35.27 | prpplague | sorphin: yes i know |
| 17:35.50 | sorphin | scanline: not free as in... |
| 17:35.53 | prpplague | sorphin: i'm just know getting out from underneath all my work and lack of motivation |
| 17:36.00 | scanline | sorphin: not free as in debian :) |
| 17:36.05 | sorphin | scanline: umm |
| 17:36.10 | sorphin | scanline: not going there |
| 17:36.18 | scanline | sorphin: I forget exactly what, but the license does something funky |
| 17:36.20 | sorphin | prpplague: ah |
| 17:36.31 | sorphin | scanline: ah.. i don't read licenses ;) |
| 17:36.52 | scanline | sorphin: funky enough that it's not in debian, and there's a GNU reimplementation of pico |
| 17:37.07 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I use sylpheed and love it |
| 17:37.11 | CosmicPenguin | but its not very Outlook like |
| 17:37.17 | sorphin | scanline: nod |
| 17:37.42 | sorphin | scanline: well, i don't need anything fancy w/ my mail |
| 17:37.48 | sorphin | scanline: i tried using mutt a couple of times |
| 17:37.58 | prpplague | hmm, guess i could just use mozilla for now |
| 17:38.00 | sorphin | was an annoyance to get how i want |
| 17:38.35 | sorphin | instead of outlook |
| 17:38.59 | sorphin | but since i'm forced to use windows for some things.. |
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| 17:59.56 | CosmicPenguin | Seesh - CNN has everything except for a digital countdown clock in the corner |
| 18:00.08 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: lol |
| 18:00.11 | sorphin | yup |
| 18:00.26 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: canadian news channels got it |
| 18:00.58 | CosmicPenguin | 1:00 PM in Washington and 8:00 PM in Iraq? |
| 18:01.02 | CosmicPenguin | Thats not right, is it? |
| 18:02.40 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: 9:00 PM in iraq |
| 18:03.22 | CosmicPenguin | Wow |
| 18:03.26 | CosmicPenguin | I thought it was way further ahead |
| 18:04.07 | CosmicPenguin | I guess I was confused |
| 18:05.57 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: probably a rerun of the actual raid |
| 18:28.09 | CosmicPenguin | Lunchtime: home made potato cheese soup |
| 18:28.35 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: sound good ... |
| 18:31.24 | sorphin | hmm |
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| 19:38.09 | prpplague | kergoth: ping ping ping |
| 19:41.24 | TimRiker | TomW_gone: keep me posted. ;-) |
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| 19:48.06 | prpplague | kergoth_: re |
| 19:54.07 | kergoth | prpplague: pong pong pong |
| 19:54.37 | GPSFan | prpplague: ping,ping,ping... |
| 19:55.00 | prpplague | ding ding ding |
| 19:55.10 | prpplague | kergoth: hey two questions |
| 19:55.39 | prpplague | kergoth: one, you said the new epca drivers look for the correct link in /usr/src now right? |
| 19:55.53 | kergoth | yeah, they look for linux-[result of uname] |
| 19:56.38 | prpplague | kergoth: two, any problems making annoucement on openembedded about webpals being available? |
| 19:56.51 | GPSFan | hey prpplague: how many webpals are you going to get? and how did you arrive at the $3.00 for shipping (to you)? |
| 19:57.07 | prpplague | kergoth: hmm, from uname? thats gonna be a problem, my script installs a new kernel and then the new epca drivers |
| 19:57.19 | prpplague | kergoth: no reboot inbetween |
| 19:57.41 | kergoth | prpplague: yeah, its lame, as it means it wont build properly if you're building for a kernel other than the running kernel |
| 19:57.55 | kergoth | I tried to explain it to the engineers.. but nobody listens to lowly tech support folks |
| 19:58.12 | prpplague | GPSFan: 100x9=900 $198 shipping 900+198=1098 1098/100=$10.98 |
| 19:58.35 | prpplague | kergoth: that means i need to fix that.... |
| 19:59.31 | kergoth | prpplague: and I suspect it obeys its belief of the kernel sources before 'linux'.. it should be vice versa to allow you to override via the symlink |
| 19:59.36 | kergoth | prpplague: not certain on that one though |
| 20:00.16 | GPSFan | prpplague: I priced out shipping at their website and came up with almost the same for 10 units. I guess 100 units can get a better freight rate. |
| 20:00.20 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague, sorphin: I am counting on you guys to fix this code after I break it... :) |
| 20:00.41 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: whatcha workin on? |
| 20:00.48 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: the bane of my existance |
| 20:00.50 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: no problem |
| 20:00.57 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: oh, _that_ |
| 20:01.00 | sorphin | kergoth: pixil ;) |
| 20:01.40 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i still think you should be known as ComicPixil ;) |
| 20:01.47 | sorphin | or PixilPenguin ;) |
| 20:01.57 | PixilPenguin | Let it be done |
| 20:02.04 | sorphin | hehe |
| 20:02.16 | GPSFan | CosmicPenguin: if you ever succeed in getting pixil gpl'd I'll sit down and learn C just so I can help fix it. (although you may not want my crappy coding skills) ;>) |
| 20:02.19 | PixilPenguin | for a while anyway - I'm trying to build my brandname around pixil |
| 20:02.20 | prpplague | kergoth: looks like there is suport for a enviroment variable $LINUX_KERNEL_VERSION |
| 20:02.21 | sorphin | btw i meant Cosmic not Comic.. tho.. sometimes, you are comic ;) |
| 20:02.28 | PixilPenguin | s/pixil/Cosmic |
| 20:02.30 | kergoth | prpplague: *cough*hack*cough* |
| 20:03.54 | prpplague | kergoth: ? |
| 20:04.12 | PixilPenguin | CNN: Note that the war hasn't started yet, though that doesn't mean the US military isn't fully engaged |
| 20:04.14 | kergoth | prpplague: nothing, just commenting on digi's hackish implementations |
| 20:04.55 | prpplague | kergoth: ahh |
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| 20:09.47 | prpplague | kergoth: ha, this config script will totally choke if you have anything as part of the kernel version other than smp |
| 20:10.00 | prpplague | kergoth: i.e. 2.4.18-24bigmem |
| 20:10.10 | prpplague | file: lo ho |
| 20:10.18 | kergoth | prpplague: thats pretty fucking lame. |
| 20:10.42 | prpplague | kergoth: ya someone really didn't think about this one |
| 20:14.18 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:14.18 | kergoth | prpplague: big surprise! |
| 20:14.18 | kergoth | am I becomign more bitter and cynical daily? why yes! I am! |
| 20:14.22 | kergoth | heheh |
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| 20:23.36 | prpplague | kergoth: lol me too |
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| 20:25.09 | mallum | hey all |
| 20:25.21 | PixilPenguin | me starts yelling like the indian guy at the start of officespace |
| 20:25.21 | kergoth | hey mallum |
| 20:25.25 | mallum | kergoth: just discovered babblefish can translate japanese :-) |
| 20:25.37 | kergoth | mother .. bastard.. fucker.. son of a.. |
| 20:25.41 | kergoth | PixilPenguin: :) |
| 20:25.42 | prpplague | mallum: hey is for horses and sometimes cows |
| 20:25.49 | mallum | prpplague: jim ? |
| 20:26.03 | kergoth | jim? |
| 20:26.10 | prpplague | jim? |
| 20:27.25 | prpplague | mallum: btw, howdy |
| 20:27.29 | mallum | prpplague: jg always says that about hey |
| 20:27.39 | prpplague | mallum: ahh |
| 20:27.43 | mallum | kergoth: http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/urltrurl?lp=ja_en&url=http://more.sbc.co.jp/sl_j/source/source_dl.htm#source-B500-100JP |
| 20:29.50 | kergoth | mallum: yeah, where did you think I got the sources for the buildroot c700 build? :) |
| 20:29.58 | kergoth | mallum: the day they were available they were in buildroot |
| 20:31.33 | mallum | kergoth: hehe :-) I didn't realize you were using bablbefish ( nor that it did jp -> en ) |
| 20:31.39 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:31.52 | kergoth | yeah, use it quite a bit |
| 20:31.58 | kergoth | sukoshi often points me to cool c700 japanese sites |
| 20:32.09 | kergoth | like different kernel builds, and the b500 battery hack |
| 20:35.09 | mallum | http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/urltrurl?lp=ja_en&url=http%3A%2F%2Fzaurus.spacetown.ne.jp%2Fsl-c700%2Fqa%2Fqa-slc700-renkei-01.asp%23a10 <-- nice translation of question 10 |
| 20:37.33 | kergoth | lol |
| 20:37.43 | kergoth | The personal computer begins dial rise selfishly! |
| 20:38.17 | mallum | wtf is that all about ? |
| 20:39.21 | scanline | " The Sharp * dial rise is not done automatically, the sea urchin it does * " |
| 20:39.48 | PixilPenguin | ah, isn't that cute? Its in haiku! |
| 20:40.49 | scanline | ha.. a brand name around Pixil? |
| 20:41.11 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:41.14 | PixilPenguin | scanline: ignore that - I meant cosmioc |
| 20:41.34 | mallum | this looks pretty dan fine -> http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/urltrurl?lp=ja_en&url=http://www.vaio.sony.co.jp/Products/PCG-U101/ |
| 20:41.40 | sorphin | heh |
| 20:42.27 | kergoth | mallum: odd |
| 20:42.51 | PixilPenguin | prpplague: UPS guy just knocked on my door - I got all excited for a second |
| 20:42.52 | sorphin | mallum: you mean damn ;p since i'm dan and that's not me :P |
| 20:42.58 | PixilPenguin | but he just wanted to drop off a package for the neighbors |
| 20:43.01 | scanline | PixilPenguin: anything involving penguins can make a brand name |
| 20:43.18 | prpplague | ok, i'm gonna ask a totally stupid question, can you check module dependices on a kernel thats not currently running? |
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| 20:44.07 | kergoth | prpplague: yes, by supplying it the System.map from the kernel sources that match the kernel you'll be booting onto |
| 20:44.10 | kergoth | prpplague: man depmod |
| 20:44.29 | prpplague | kergoth: i did a man, guess i missed that section, thanks |
| 20:46.05 | Sumomo | Might someone have some insight into a cross-compiling problem I'm having? |
| 20:46.11 | kergoth | ask the question |
| 20:47.00 | prpplague | Sumomo: ask away |
| 20:47.17 | Sumomo | I'm working on Konq/E (head) + Qt/E... Luciano and I have been working through some of the bugs with Qt/E (works with Qt/X11 per Luciano's checked in changes), |
| 20:47.35 | prpplague | kergoth: it was right there in the page :| |
| 20:48.00 | Sumomo | I've gotten past most of the bugs, and stubbed the other problems, but I'm having problems during the link phase. |
| 20:48.33 | Sumomo | It's the typical configure-finding-host-libraries-instead-of-target-libraries problem, |
| 20:48.34 | Sumomo | although |
| 20:49.21 | Sumomo | I've given configure the requisite --with-extra-libs that should point it to the proper location. |
| 20:50.03 | Sumomo | with the libraries for the target OS (embedded ppc860-linux) |
| 20:51.05 | Sumomo | Might someone be able to list out how configure/gcc goes about adding & finding libraries & their paths? |
| 20:51.52 | Sumomo | I've heard --prefix has something to do with it, as does --with-extra-libs |
| 20:52.21 | Sumomo | I pretty much don't find any documentation on the subject in my poking around the net. |
| 20:52.57 | Sumomo | and the autoconf manual also wasn't helpful on the subject. |
| 20:53.21 | kergoth | you dont want to use --prefix, it'll hardcode the path in the binary |
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| 20:53.37 | kergoth | set prefix to / or /usr or /usr/local, whatever is appropriate on the target device |
| 20:54.02 | kergoth | You're best off simply passing LDFLAGS and CFLAGS into the build which add the appropriate lib and header paths |
| 20:54.50 | Sumomo | the funny thing is, I see the requisite -L/path/to/lib/dir/with/proper/libs on the g++ command that fails. |
| 20:55.46 | Sumomo | when you say --prefix will hardcode the path in the library, what do you mean? |
| 20:56.00 | Sumomo | s/library/binary/ |
| 20:56.55 | kergoth | example. ./configure --prefix=/home/me/blah |
| 20:57.00 | prpplague | freakin frellin digi crap.... |
| 20:57.09 | kergoth | now, there are hardcoded refs to /home/me in the binary on the target device |
| 20:57.20 | kergoth | which may or may not cause problems, but in general is bad policy |
| 20:57.32 | prpplague | kergoth: someone needs their ass kicked for this monstrosity |
| 20:57.48 | kergoth | prpplague: i hear ya man |
| 20:57.50 | Sumomo | ok. |
| 20:58.19 | kergoth | Sumomo: and i assume you meant target-linux-g++, not g++ |
| 20:58.30 | kergoth | since g++ isnt cross, its native |
| 20:58.31 | Sumomo | kergoth: yes. |
| 20:58.52 | Sumomo | powerpc-linux-g++ |
| 20:59.09 | kergoth | okay, and whats the exact error?' |
| 21:01.22 | Sumomo | error: /usr/lib/libjpeg.so: could not read symbols: Invalid operation |
| 21:01.58 | Sumomo | and on that same g++ cmd line, I've got -L/usr/local/ppc860-linux/lib |
| 21:02.17 | Sumomo | which contains a sane libjpeg.so for ppc |
| 21:02.50 | Sumomo | which makes me wonder why it went looking in /usr/lib first. |
| 21:03.44 | kergoth | is it using libtool? |
| 21:03.53 | Sumomo | Yes |
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| 21:07.20 | kergoth | Sumomo: therein lies the problem. |
| 21:07.27 | kergoth | libtool is a complete and utter piece of shit |
| 21:07.32 | kergoth | and is worthless for crosscompiling |
| 21:08.01 | kergoth | first, make sure there are _zero_ .la files in the library search path of your crosscompiler (including those you add via -L) |
| 21:08.12 | kergoth | if that still isnt sufficient, you'll want to patch libtool. |
| 21:11.30 | Sumomo | ahh... I have heard reports that libtool isn't very good. |
| 21:11.50 | kergoth | those reports are quire accurate, if understated |
| 21:11.51 | kergoth | ;) |
| 21:12.08 | Sumomo | I've tried moving the .la files out of the way, but when that happens, libtool bitches and moans. |
| 21:12.19 | Sumomo | is there an alternative to libtool? |
| 21:12.19 | kergoth | .la files arent required for the linking |
| 21:12.35 | kergoth | no alternative short of handling the library linking manually in the buildsystem of the package in question |
| 21:14.29 | kergoth | Sumomo: essentially, you have to ensure that $libdir is not in the libtool search path. at all. .la files contain a $libdir reference which adds it to the search path, hence borking your build |
| 21:14.37 | kergoth | Sumomo: vi libtool. its just a shell script. |
| 21:16.07 | Sumomo | GAH. Libtool is a pos |
| 21:16.15 | kergoth | ibot: libtool? |
| 21:16.16 | | i heard libtool is a fool, and can be found at http://www.gnu.org/software/libtool/ |
| 21:16.20 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:17.19 | kergoth | Sumomo: in my crosscompilations, I build a local copy of libtool, patch it to alter its search path, and remove any .la files anywhere |
| 21:17.28 | kergoth | Sumomo: which tends to take care of the problem |
| 21:18.42 | Sumomo | when are the .la files required? |
| 21:20.06 | kergoth | I dont know of any circumstance when they are needed. |
| 21:22.09 | sorphin | kergoth: i've never seen them actually used for any purpose.. |
| 21:24.44 | kergoth | well, it makes sense in a native build |
| 21:24.53 | kergoth | where you want $libdir to be in libtool's library search path |
| 21:25.24 | kergoth | but it could be done in a more sane manner |
| 21:26.32 | Sumomo | no doubt as embedded linux becomes more popular (as it is now), no doubt there will be a big demand to get rid of/fix libtool. |
| 21:27.17 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:27.22 | kergoth | righhttt |
| 21:27.45 | kergoth | just like we'll see a autoconf replacement that can better handle test results for the target arch in question.. when hell freezes over perhaps :) |
| 21:30.24 | chouimat|reading | wooohoooo is email is back |
| 21:30.33 | kergoth | chouimat|reading: nice |
| 21:30.54 | chouimat|reading | kergoth: receiving 13 of 346 |
| 21:37.23 | Sumomo | well... with enough support in the community, it could happen. |
| 21:38.30 | kergoth | Sumomo: and with enough restraint, idiots will stop reproducing |
| 21:38.36 | kergoth | possible, but not altogether likely :P |
| 21:45.10 | Sumomo | lol |
| 21:48.03 | Sumomo | why on earth does libtool specify sys_lib_search_path_spec twice, once near the beginning of the script, and once near the end? |
| 21:48.10 | Sumomo | *roll* |
| 21:48.43 | kergoth | there you go expecting sanity again |
| 21:48.44 | kergoth | tisk tisk |
| 21:49.14 | Sumomo | lol |
| 21:49.43 | Sumomo | I wonder if RMS contributed to the creation of libtool |
| 21:52.27 | Sumomo | ok, if .la files aren't required for compilation, why might I be getting: libtool: link: cannot find the library `/usr/lib/libjpeg.la' |
| 21:53.10 | kergoth | Sumomo: eh, why is it looking in /usr/lib at all? |
| 21:53.18 | kergoth | Sumomo: you're seeing an effect, not a cause. |
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| 21:53.24 | kergoth | Sumomo: figure out whats leaking /usr/lib into the search path. |
| 21:53.51 | Sumomo | yes. this is in the unmodified libtool (I've got two trees going -- one that's all compiled, but wrong, and a new one that I'm building. |
| 21:54.20 | kergoth | hey jacques |
| 21:54.27 | kergoth | jacques: you ever get your kernel behaving itself? |
| 21:55.34 | kergoth | Sumomo: so you work on konq/e? |
| 21:55.54 | Sumomo | Yes, I've been helping out more directly for the last few weeks. |
| 21:56.06 | kergoth | cool :) glad to hear theres development |
| 21:56.30 | jacques | kergoth: no |
| 21:56.34 | jacques | I am not a kernel hacker |
| 21:56.34 | Sumomo | Luciano checked in the Konq/E patches for KDE3.1 support a month back, but it's only working on Qt/X11.. |
| 21:56.36 | kergoth | working on konq/e on qt/e 3.x or 2.x? |
| 21:56.43 | kergoth | that answers my question |
| 21:56.44 | kergoth | *g* |
| 21:56.46 | kergoth | jacques: k |
| 21:57.19 | jacques | kergoth: I am happy to help try to find the bug tho |
| 21:57.29 | jacques | but I am lost by myself |
| 21:57.43 | jacques | cant even get a ksymoops report |
| 21:57.45 | kergoth | If I had a tux i'd work on it with ya, otherwise i'm flyin blind |
| 21:58.10 | Sumomo | kergoth: yup, Qt/e 3.1.2... I've been working on getting Konq/E head working with Qt/E. There are some bugs in the main KDE dir in some conditional Qt/E code that I'm not sure how to submit |
| 21:58.19 | kergoth | Sumomo: ahh |
| 21:58.32 | jacques | kergoth: ah :-\ I forgot you didnt have a tux |
| 21:58.59 | jacques | kergoth: I would be happy if someone with a tux would try recent buildroot and build the tslib apps and see if they get same results |
| 21:59.06 | jacques | I could help them get to that point |
| 21:59.22 | Sumomo | kergoth: They probably should get checked into kdelibs, but I'm not an active participant there, and I'm not sure how the politics of that works. |
| 21:59.34 | kergoth | gotcha |
| 21:59.49 | kergoth | I havent played with konq/e on qt3, was looking forward to playing with it |
| 22:00.01 | kergoth | I use it on opie, qt/e2.3.4, on the zaurus |
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| 22:02.33 | Sumomo | There aren't too many bugs -- some dynamic_cast problems (Qt/E must be compiled with -fno-rtti), a few Java bugs (which were easily fixed - Konq/E doesn't support Java yet anyway), |
| 22:03.25 | Sumomo | and the main problem, that I'm still working on: KDE Javascript APIs have changed some, and the data needs to be massaged into the right format. |
| 22:05.02 | Sumomo | in general, it shouldn't be too hard to tackle though. My employer wants me to get something, anything in demo form out *now*, so if I can skip it for the moment, I will. |
| 22:05.11 | kergoth | ah |
| 22:06.46 | Sumomo | So, right now it's just me & Luciano working on it. Simon & Paul seem to have moved onto other projects. |
| 22:10.27 | MonMotha | well, that was fun |
| 22:10.34 | kergoth | MonMotha: ? |
| 22:10.46 | MonMotha | on the upside, once you get the screws out of the DCT5000, standard size PC CD-ROM screws will fit back in |
| 22:10.54 | MonMotha | kergoth: removing the screws from the DCT-5000 |
| 22:10.57 | kergoth | ah |
| 22:11.29 | jacques | MonMotha: aha! I knew it! |
| 22:11.43 | jacques | cdrom aja floppy screws |
| 22:11.45 | jacques | aka |
| 22:11.47 | MonMotha | yep |
| 22:11.58 | MonMotha | I guess floppies use that size too |
| 22:12.40 | MonMotha | now to start rev engineering it :) |
| 22:13.09 | file | Good luck to the DCT Hacking crew |
| 22:14.31 | jacques | file: thanks :-) |
| 22:15.07 | MonMotha | ah, you have one too jacques? |
| 22:17.05 | jacques | MonMotha: that's a yepper |
| 22:17.13 | MonMotha | jacques: very cool |
| 22:17.17 | MonMotha | looks like a neat unit |
| 22:17.39 | MonMotha | too bad they didn't put somethign over the PSU...I hate working around a live, unguarded PS |
| 22:17.52 | jacques | MonMotha: yeah same as my tivo - scary |
| 22:19.17 | jacques | MonMotha: if we can get half the hardware in these things working it will be a great little machine |
| 22:19.22 | MonMotha | oh yeah |
| 22:19.39 | MonMotha | unfortunately there's a fair amount of broadcom gear and we know how much they *love* linux hackers |
| 22:19.56 | jacques | even their wifi chips have no drivers |
| 22:19.59 | MonMotha | on the upside, ethernet is AMD PCNet |
| 22:20.09 | MonMotha | which already has a linux driver (at least on x86, probably on MIPS too |
| 22:20.14 | jacques | and superio |
| 22:20.31 | jacques | also supported, and rage theater / ATI shold be supported |
| 22:20.31 | MonMotha | and I do beleive the PC southbridge is linux supported on x86 |
| 22:20.39 | MonMotha | large codebase there to work from |
| 22:20.56 | jacques | yeah we just need to fogure out how to actually get code onto the thing |
| 22:21.01 | MonMotha | jacques: do you have the screws out of yours yet? if not I can offer some hints |
| 22:21.17 | jacques | MonMotha: took me 7 minutes with a dremmel and cutoff wheel |
| 22:21.27 | jacques | :-D |
| 22:21.32 | MonMotha | sounds like you already do |
| 22:22.06 | jacques | yep |
| 22:22.07 | MonMotha | heh, I actually UNSCREWED them |
| 22:22.07 | MonMotha | which means I can put in regular screws |
| 22:22.11 | MonMotha | jacques: well, we have JTAG to the CPU I gather |
| 22:22.28 | jacques | MonMotha: I cut a slot into them and unscrewed them too |
| 22:22.37 | jacques | yeah jtag header |
| 22:22.46 | jacques | tiny connector tho |
| 22:22.59 | MonMotha | ah, that works |
| 22:23.07 | MonMotha | yeah, I'm trying to locate some since I don' thave any |
| 22:23.10 | MonMotha | digikey probably has them |
| 22:23.20 | jacques | I dont have anything that small |
| 22:23.59 | MonMotha | I bet there's actually two serial ports on the thing, that could also be of use once we get a kernel on there (one for login and one for remote gdb |
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| 22:32.44 | Sumomo | so, what is the purpose of your DCT-5000 hacking? any goal in mind? |
| 22:33.40 | MonMotha | Sumomo: well, I was hoping to eventually make kinda "lazy-ass person who wants to sit in their easychair all day and do everything" kind of system to put in a home entertainment center |
| 22:34.33 | MonMotha | since it can be hooked up to other components and such |
| 22:35.04 | Sumomo | ahh. Cablemodem, router, music, video, etc? |
| 22:35.13 | jacques | MonMotha: there are 2 serial ports - see the other header ? |
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| 22:38.45 | Sumomo | holy bejezzus it actually linked! you're a lifesaver kergoth! |
| 22:38.59 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:39.01 | kergoth | glad to hear it |
| 22:39.02 | Sumomo | kergoth: Thank you so much! |
| 22:39.13 | kergoth | Sumomo: have fought those battles before :) |
| 22:39.21 | kergoth | you're quite welcome |
| 22:39.35 | Sumomo | now to actually see if it runs.. |
| 22:41.07 | sorphin | i'm just messing w/ them just cuz :P |
| 22:41.24 | sorphin | MonMotha: and there are 2 serial ports :P |
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| 22:41.34 | sorphin | both come off the ALi southbridge :P |
| 22:41.40 | DCipher | bg: hi |
| 22:41.52 | jacques | along with the IDE :-D |
| 22:42.28 | sorphin | nod.. |
| 22:42.58 | DCipher | TimRiker: you there? |
| 22:43.19 | sorphin | if monmotha ever paid attention he'd know all of what he was asking already cuz we talked about it before while he was here, just not paying attention ;) |
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| 22:44.37 | kergoth | hey morn |
| 22:45.15 | kergoth | i need to get the fsck out of here |
| 22:50.28 | bg | Question: Has anyone tried to port Linux to the Dallas Semi Tini chip |
| 22:54.19 | Morn | re's |
| 22:56.01 | bg | re's = ?? |
| 22:56.07 | Sumomo | Tini chip? wazzat? |
| 22:56.40 | bg | An 8051 with firmware OS ethernet and JVM |
| 22:56.56 | Sumomo | nifty! |
| 22:57.59 | bg | Tini http://www.maxim-ic.com/TINIplatform.cfm |
| 22:58.04 | sorphin | bg: re's means she was saying re or hi to all the people in here :P |
| 22:58.14 | Morn | yeah, that |
| 22:58.22 | bg | thanks for the translation |
| 22:58.26 | sorphin | and no, to my recollection, no one has messed w/ the tini in here. |
| 22:58.56 | sorphin | i know of people tha thave used the tini as a ppp -> ethernet server |
| 22:59.05 | sorphin | but never touched one myself |
| 22:59.13 | bg | Any reccommendations for low end Linux systems |
| 22:59.31 | sorphin | heh |
| 22:59.35 | sorphin | define 'low end' |
| 22:59.55 | bg | 8-bit no MMU low cost |
| 23:00.27 | sorphin | heh |
| 23:00.47 | sorphin | bit too low end for anything i'd know about, sorry |
| 23:01.32 | bg | how about power pc class with and w/o mmu |
| 23:02.36 | bg | would I use Linux or some down sized "real time" version |
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| 23:12.13 | PixilPenguin | What up folks |
| 23:28.02 | chouimat|reading | nothing |
| 23:38.33 | andersee | PixilPenguin: name change? Pixil released? |
| 23:40.15 | PixilPenguin | heh |
| 23:40.55 | PixilPenguin | Are flying pigs sking in hell yet? |
| 23:41.56 | andersee | PixilPenguin: as a matter of fact I think they are |
| 23:41.58 | andersee | ;-) |
| 23:44.11 | GPSFan | PixilPenguin: there are flying pigs on this beer: will that do? http://www.averybrewing.com/avery/BigBeers/docs/hogHeaven |
| 23:46.06 | GPSFan | PixilPenguin: and they are in Boulder which is under a LOT of snow atm... ;>) |
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