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| 00:24.03 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin? |
| 00:25.11 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: yes? |
| 00:25.25 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: what was that about the cdrecord-pro vs dvdrecord? |
| 00:25.37 | CosmicPenguin | I know that caused you issues under LInux - which one do I use? |
| 00:26.07 | sorphin | cdrecord-prodvd is the only thing i've seen burn properly/recognize media... dvdrecord is just a hack of cdrecord that needs a lot of work |
| 00:27.20 | sorphin | prodvd doesn't have source (since cdrecord isn't gpl'd he didn't have to w/ the prodvd portions) |
| 00:27.23 | sorphin | but it works fine |
| 00:27.33 | sorphin | and it's free for non-comm |
| 00:31.21 | CosmicPenguin | cdrecord-prodvd it is |
| 00:32.37 | sorphin | nod |
| 00:34.20 | CosmicPenguin | grrr... I think that transcode has borked audio |
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| 01:21.50 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: do Ineed to send any special flags to cdrecord-prodvd? |
| 01:25.08 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: not really |
| 01:25.44 | CosmicPenguin | --device 1,1,0 -dao dvd.iso then, eh? |
| 01:26.08 | sorphin | might wanna also use --iso-info or whatever that flag is |
| 01:26.15 | sorphin | so it reads the size from the file |
| 01:26.19 | sorphin | instead of guessing |
| 01:26.54 | CosmicPenguin | --isosize? |
| 01:27.56 | CosmicPenguin | here goes |
| 01:38.47 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: yeah |
| 01:39.35 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: does it take forever the first time? |
| 01:39.49 | CosmicPenguin | it printed Track 01: Total bytes read/written: 11239424/11270144 (5503 sectors). |
| 01:39.54 | CosmicPenguin | and now its sitting here with the light on |
| 01:39.58 | CosmicPenguin | for about 10 minutes |
| 01:40.23 | ade|indy | bed calls, later folks |
| 01:42.17 | CosmicPenguin | Now its done |
| 01:43.27 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: one more question - whats this -dvd-video flag for mkisofs I keep seeing? |
| 01:43.33 | CosmicPenguin | my mkisofs doesn't have one of those |
| 01:44.22 | CosmicPenguin | now it does.. : |
| 01:44.24 | CosmicPenguin | :) |
| 01:45.51 | sorphin | you need a newer mkisofs ;) |
| 01:46.12 | sorphin | it aligns the files properly in the tree |
| 01:46.27 | sorphin | so that VIDEO_TS.IFO is the 1st *file* |
| 01:46.35 | sorphin | if it's not, the dvd won't play |
| 01:46.53 | sorphin | so make sure your filenames are all caps too ;) |
| 01:46.56 | sorphin | it relies on that |
| 01:50.43 | CosmicPenguin | yeah - I got that. I checked with isoinfo, and VIDEO_TS.IFO is now the first file |
| 01:50.56 | CosmicPenguin | man, my audio is way off - I hope thats just mplayer being gay |
| 01:51.24 | sorphin | we'll see |
| 01:51.33 | CosmicPenguin | yes we wil |
| 01:53.16 | sorphin | and yes, it does take forever, esp to write the leadout |
| 01:53.32 | sorphin | fyi, you can do a quick blank usually |
| 01:53.39 | sorphin | you don't have to full blank every time |
| 01:53.55 | sorphin | takes a minute vs longer |
| 01:54.05 | CosmicPenguin | I'll store that for later |
| 01:54.55 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: troubleshooting time... the audio and video progressively get farther and farther apart as the video plays |
| 01:55.03 | CosmicPenguin | possible reasons? |
| 02:12.25 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: synchro problem? |
| 02:13.31 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: that would happen when you mux'd |
| 02:14.25 | CosmicPenguin | I tried adjusting the start time - but it doesn't seem like the offset is the same for the whole clip |
| 02:14.52 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: now you know why i've wanted to use one of my tivos (mainly my series 2) for hw encoding |
| 02:15.00 | sorphin | eliminates that issue |
| 02:15.12 | CosmicPenguin | heh... |
| 02:15.43 | chouimat | sorphin: what the difference between a serie1 and a serie2? |
| 02:17.04 | prpplague | evening all |
| 02:17.07 | chouimat | hey prpplague |
| 02:17.29 | sorphin | chouimat: the cpu for one, the encoding chip/decoder for another |
| 02:17.29 | prpplague | whats cookin this evening guys? |
| 02:17.57 | sorphin | chouimat: series 1 is PPC & a sony encoder & an ibm decoder |
| 02:17.59 | chouimat | sorphin: ok |
| 02:18.10 | sorphin | chouimat: series 2 is a 5432 MIPS w/ a broadcom encoder and decoder |
| 02:19.12 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i dunno.. i do know tho, that whether i use dvd2one or instantcopy to shrink a dual layver dvd down to 1 dvd |
| 02:19.24 | sorphin | i always have mpeg glitching |
| 02:19.37 | sorphin | and i know it has to do w/ my setup, because morn never gets it |
| 02:23.49 | prpplague | sorphin: playing the dct unit from bz? |
| 02:24.21 | sorphin | prpplague: no |
| 02:24.30 | sorphin | prpplague: haven't gotten mine yet, won't till later this week |
| 02:24.41 | jacques_gone | me neither :-( |
| 02:25.07 | prpplague | hmm, is there a GBA sdk? |
| 02:25.27 | sorphin | prpplague: ? |
| 02:25.39 | chouimat | prpplague: google for devkitadvance |
| 02:26.22 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: remind me never to blank a DVD again.. :( |
| 02:26.54 | prpplague | chouimat: i am, i just was curious if anyone here had used one |
| 02:27.25 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: heh |
| 02:27.38 | jacques_gone | ibot: seen tim_tiker |
| 02:27.44 | | jacques_gone: i haven't seen 'tim_tiker' |
| 02:27.44 | chouimat | prpplague: I didn't have a flashcart yet ... and my gba is dead so I'm waiting for the SP .. |
| 02:27.44 | jacques_gone | ibot: seen tim_riker |
| 02:27.44 | | jacques_gone: i haven't seen 'tim_riker' |
| 02:27.53 | CosmicPenguin | is there an echo in here? |
| 02:27.57 | jacques_gone | ibot: seen timriker |
| 02:27.57 | | timriker <~timr@rikers.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 2d 2h 18m 40s ago, saying: 'no ts on a laptop'. |
| 02:28.08 | sorphin | jacques_gone: can it |
| 02:28.30 | jacques_gone | huh? |
| 02:28.37 | chouimat | prpplague: http://www.gbadev.org/ |
| 02:28.41 | sorphin | jacques_gone: you asked 3 fscking times |
| 02:28.45 | jacques_gone | typos arent allowed here? |
| 02:28.56 | sorphin | heh |
| 02:29.31 | GPSFan | check out the dct5000 wiki page http://elinux.org/wiki/DCT5000 I've added links to datasheets of most of the major chips. and described what I see out the serial port. |
| 02:29.41 | sorphin | tho if tim is even on |
| 02:29.51 | jacques_gone | GPSFan: excellent! |
| 02:29.54 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:29.59 | jacques_gone | cant wait to get mine |
| 02:30.24 | GPSFan | jacques_gone: it looks like all the software on it is a boot loader. |
| 02:30.58 | sorphin | GPSFan: as long as it's not like the webpal w/ no jtag :P |
| 02:31.27 | GPSFan | sorphin: the cpu has jtag, but I don't know where it comes out yet. |
| 02:31.46 | sorphin | GPSFan: that's all that matters |
| 02:31.50 | sorphin | as long as it has it |
| 02:31.53 | sorphin | we can snag it :P |
| 02:32.40 | prpplague | chouimat: nice i was thinking about doing some stuff for my sons gba |
| 02:33.15 | chouimat | prpplague: hehe ... if you can post a schematic of a cart :) |
| 02:33.31 | prpplague | chouimat: ? |
| 02:33.42 | chouimat | prpplague: mn |
| 02:34.14 | prpplague | chouimat: from what i read, you can just buy a flash card and put your game on it |
| 02:34.22 | CosmicPenguin | the blnak just keeps and going, and going...... |
| 02:34.33 | chouimat | prpplague: they are very hard to get in canada :( |
| 02:34.39 | prpplague | chouimat: oh? |
| 02:35.19 | file | chouimat: what are you looking for? |
| 02:35.34 | chouimat | file: flashcard for GBA |
| 02:36.02 | file | chouimat: I'll see what I can do... |
| 02:36.07 | jacques_gone | GPSFan: were you able to detect any activity on the ethernet port? |
| 02:36.08 | prpplague | chouimat: http://www.save2much.com/buy/search/Mr_Flash_64M_Card |
| 02:37.36 | GPSFan | jacques_gone: no, I had tcpdump watching while I excercised every button combo I could and nada. there is no mac address sticker on the box, and the AMD chip doesn't have an eeprom neer it for the mac address, so it might be set by firmware. |
| 02:39.32 | jacques_gone | hmm too bad I was thinking maybe it could tftp or someting |
| 02:39.49 | jacques_gone | n dl looked promising |
| 02:40.27 | GPSFan | jacques_gone: yep, I cant tell you how many times I selected that one while looking at tcpdump, hoping for some activity. |
| 02:41.52 | GPSFan | jacques_gone: since tim said that lineo had the kernel working, I think there must be some way to download software into th box with out opening it. those screws are a bitch. |
| 02:43.52 | chouimat | GPSFan: which form? |
| 02:43.58 | jacques_gone | GPSFan: are they torx ? |
| 02:44.13 | GPSFan | they look like reverse torx |
| 02:44.25 | jacques_gone | ?? |
| 02:44.38 | GPSFan | maybe I can find a torx screw that will fit over them. |
| 02:45.33 | jacques_gone | maybe I shold start looking for the proper tool now... |
| 02:46.11 | GPSFan | tims dremmel method works, I used vice grips, now that they are out they are gone! |
| 02:46.51 | chouimat | I know a place for special screwdrvier here but they sold them for 40 - 80 CAD each |
| 02:47.57 | file | chouimat: I'm getting a 128MB PC133 SDRAM stick for $31 CAD with tax and shipping :) |
| 02:48.08 | chouimat | file: hehe |
| 02:48.41 | file | chouimat: brand new too |
| 02:49.08 | GPSFan | the dct5000 boot process seems to be looking for some sort of rf link, as it scans through a list of frequencies, many of which appear here: http://www.scte.org/documents/pdf/ANSISCTE5512002DVS178.pdf |
| 02:49.20 | jacques_gone | GPSFan: dremel method = use cuttof wheel to make a slot in the screw? |
| 02:49.43 | GPSFan | jacques_gone: yep, it took tim about 5 minutes to do all 3 screws. |
| 02:50.16 | jacques_gone | cool |
| 02:50.17 | chouimat | GPSFan: did you put a RF signal to it? |
| 02:51.31 | GPSFan | chouimat: how, I don't have any head-end cable gear. and don't have cable. |
| 02:51.44 | jacques_gone | my tivo sometimes downloads stuff from channels with black and white patterns - I assume some sort of digital encoding |
| 02:51.57 | chouimat | GPSFan: have an antena? |
| 02:52.36 | GPSFan | chouimat: yes, but only get 3 uhf stations here, all the freq's were in the 75-100MHz range. |
| 02:52.52 | chouimat | GPSFan: ok |
| 02:53.53 | jacques_gone | GPSFan: what are the chances of us getting any more information about of any of the entities who have had linux booting on these devices? |
| 02:53.58 | sorphin | jacques_gone: umm |
| 02:53.59 | sorphin | no |
| 02:54.11 | sorphin | jacques_gone: that's not 'digital encoding' |
| 02:54.23 | jacques_gone | sorphin: waht is it? |
| 02:54.23 | sorphin | it's data embedded in CC |
| 02:54.34 | GPSFan | jacques_gone: tim is our best bet. |
| 02:54.58 | sorphin | jacques_gone: it's how they push guide these days |
| 02:55.03 | file | jacques_gone & GPSFan: good luck with your hacking efforts |
| 02:55.15 | GPSFan | file: thanks. |
| 02:55.21 | sorphin | they can push about 40MB of data on that '1/2 hour screen of pattern' |
| 02:55.24 | jacques_gone | sorphin: seriously?? you mean I can disconnect the phone line? that would be SOO sweet! |
| 02:55.37 | sorphin | jacques_gone: not quite |
| 02:55.52 | sorphin | you still need the phoneline for the file that allows your tivo to use the data |
| 02:55.57 | sorphin | you just need it for less time |
| 02:56.22 | jacques_gone | ah yeah otherwise they would have no subscrption security |
| 02:56.24 | sorphin | not like your tivo can talk to them through the cable to confirm you're still sub'd, etc :P |
| 02:56.37 | jacques_gone | nod |
| 02:57.02 | jacques_gone | i ordered cable broadband at home and i would like to totally get rid of my dsl and phone line |
| 02:57.12 | sorphin | heh |
| 02:57.19 | sorphin | have fun |
| 03:02.21 | jacques_gone | GPSFan: when did tim shop the boxes out? |
| 03:02.25 | jacques_gone | ship |
| 03:03.05 | GPSFan | jacques_gone: Thursday. |
| 03:03.34 | jacques_gone | GPSFan: ah OK then hopefully mine will arrive on mon or tues |
| 03:03.43 | GPSFan | sorphin: jtag comes out to j7, it has a small header soldered on to it. I just rang the pins out from the cpu. |
| 03:04.03 | chouimat|tv | GPSFan: how many pin? |
| 03:05.03 | GPSFan | it's a 10 pin header with half the pins grounded. but it's real small, smaller than the 2mm ide connector. |
| 03:05.49 | chouimat|tv | hmmmm 130CAD for a old mac with a ppc603 .... |
| 03:07.25 | file | how's all the Webpal hacking going? |
| 03:07.58 | GPSFan | file: mine runs X. |
| 03:08.17 | file | GPSFan: Nifty |
| 03:08.34 | chouimat|tv | file: mine still on my secondary desk ... |
| 03:08.48 | GPSFan | bbl |
| 03:08.59 | file | chouimat|tv: reason for discarding such a useful tool? |
| 03:09.16 | chouimat|tv | file: TIME |
| 03:09.25 | file | chouimat|tv: :( |
| 03:34.04 | sorphin | GPSFan: cool |
| 03:40.46 | file | chouimat|tv: still alive in there? |
| 03:59.50 | chouimat|tv | file: yup |
| 04:00.42 | file | chouimat|tv: a person I sold a CPU to is finally going to send payment so I'll have to head to the post office soon... want me to send that SIMM out? |
| 04:01.09 | chouimat|tv | how much? |
| 04:01.25 | file | chouimat|tv: the size, or cost? |
| 04:01.38 | chouimat|tv | the cost |
| 04:01.58 | file | like everybody says to me... make an offer |
| 04:02.16 | file | don't you just hate that? |
| 04:02.26 | chouimat|tv | file: yup I hate that |
| 04:03.20 | file | chouimat|tv: do some research and see what a fair offer would be, I may also accept hardware in trade |
| 04:03.40 | chouimat|tv | file : size? |
| 04:03.53 | file | chouimat|tv: it's a 32MB |
| 04:04.59 | chouimat|tv | file: how about 15$ including shipping |
| 04:05.20 | file | chouimat|tv: great |
| 04:05.28 | file | 1 SIMM down... 9 to go |
| 04:06.08 | file | I should glue them together and make a memorial to the gods of RAM... |
| 04:12.42 | file | chouimat|tv: e-mail your address to joshnet@nbnet.nb.ca and I'll e-mail back my address for money order... |
| 04:13.10 | file | chouimat|tv: it'll be sent out asap even if your money order isn't here... I'm too nice aren't I? |
| 04:15.18 | chouimat|tv | file: thanks ... email away ... |
| 04:16.07 | file | chouimat|tv: and my address is sent back |
| 04:16.13 | file | my concious state is fading |
| 04:17.32 | chouimat|tv | file go to sleep |
| 04:18.09 | file | I willl, soon |
| 04:18.23 | file | er will |
| 04:20.03 | chouimat|tv | woohooo clone high on teletoon |
| 04:20.16 | file | french or english one? |
| 04:20.29 | chouimat|tv | file: vcr .... :-P |
| 04:20.42 | file | lol |
| 04:20.57 | chouimat|tv | file: french one at 1h00 EST |
| 04:23.20 | file | goodnight |
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| 05:02.50 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
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| 14:23.12 | file | hi GPSFan |
| 14:33.26 | GPSFan | morning file: |
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| 15:43.01 | chouimat | hey kergoth |
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| 15:43.11 | kergoth | hey |
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| 16:16.18 | file | hey ade |
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| 18:35.34 | sorphin | prpplague: lo |
| 18:35.46 | prpplague | howdy |
| 18:36.18 | chouimat | hey prpplague, listened to the songs? |
| 18:36.46 | prpplague | chouimat: no, sorry, been a little busy this weekend |
| 18:37.06 | prpplague | chouimat: cleaning house/yard, and preparing a Z for a customer meeting this afternoon |
| 18:38.28 | chouimat | prpplague: good idea, i need to cleam the house too |
| 18:39.17 | sorphin | prpplague: what're you doing to the poor Z to "prepare" it? :P |
| 18:39.38 | prpplague | chouimat: ya well it was a matter of nessity, everything was dirty :) |
| 18:39.58 | prpplague | sorphin: loading OZ+tiny+fltk |
| 18:40.03 | prpplague | sorphin: loading OZ+tinyx+fltk |
| 18:40.10 | sorphin | prpplague: rc3 or 3.0 ? |
| 18:40.36 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: howdy |
| 18:40.42 | prpplague | sorphin: custom |
| 18:40.48 | sorphin | prpplague: ah. |
| 18:41.11 | prpplague | sorphin: CosmicPenguin and i have been working on a project |
| 18:41.25 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: lo jordan "hi, my name is pixil, and i'm getting married" crouse |
| 18:41.27 | sorphin | prpplague: ah |
| 18:41.39 | sorphin | ;) |
| 18:42.16 | prpplague | "do you jordan crouse take this woman?" "uh uh, i pixil!" |
| 18:42.21 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: then I'll be Mr. Pixil! |
| 18:42.23 | sorphin | hehe |
| 18:42.32 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: you already are ;) |
| 18:43.45 | sorphin | prpplague: actually, i thought it was "jordan crouse, do you take this code..er woman to be your pixil.. er wife?" |
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| 18:44.24 | prpplague | kergoth: hey kergy |
| 18:44.47 | prpplague | kergoth: nothing better to do on a sunday that hang out on irc with geeks? |
| 18:44.54 | chouimat | sorphin: :) |
| 18:45.09 | kergoth | prpplague: hehe. cleaning isnt much better ;) |
| 18:45.20 | chouimat | prpplague: he can give doritos to his cat :) |
| 18:45.30 | kergoth | i dont have any doritos :( |
| 18:45.59 | chouimat | kergoth: actualy it's tostitos ...specy quesadilla |
| 18:46.01 | prpplague | kergoth: ha you cleaning too? |
| 18:46.04 | kergoth | its sunday |
| 18:46.08 | kergoth | I'm always stuck cleaning on sunday |
| 18:46.14 | CosmicPenguin | same here...:) |
| 18:46.21 | kergoth | cause i was going to do it saturday but procrastinated it |
| 18:46.23 | kergoth | same shit every week |
| 18:46.26 | kergoth | :) |
| 18:46.42 | CosmicPenguin | But today the SO is at a movie, and I have the responsibility of trying to write this god forsaken video to DVD for review by the in-laws tonight |
| 18:46.46 | kergoth | ibot: seen mallum |
| 18:46.48 | | mallum <~mallum@pc-80-193-218-21-hw.blueyonder.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #elinux, 19h 49m 24s ago, saying: 'kergoth: gotcha'. |
| 18:47.01 | kergoth | hm, wonder if he ever resolved the 'tinylogin segfaults when built with gcc3.x' bug |
| 18:47.07 | kergoth | just ran into it |
| 18:47.18 | sorphin | kergoth: hey mr, OZ, i know you're proud of rc3, but for me, having never messed w/ OZ before.. should i start w/ that, or 3.0 1st? |
| 18:47.31 | kergoth | rc3 has bugs, but 3.0 has more. |
| 18:47.37 | kergoth | our rcs are more stable than our releases, so far |
| 18:47.50 | sorphin | heh |
| 18:47.52 | chouimat | sorphin: use 2.9.5 :) |
| 18:48.02 | sorphin | kergoth: that doesn't look good for 3.1 final then :P |
| 18:48.08 | sorphin | chouimat: um.. i'm not talking about gcc |
| 18:48.18 | kergoth | there was a oz 2.9.5 |
| 18:48.22 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:48.26 | kergoth | 2.9.5.5 even |
| 18:48.29 | kergoth | was pretty stable actually |
| 18:48.31 | sorphin | heh |
| 18:48.49 | kergoth | sorphin: for the most part the issue is we include Opie, which isnt released. |
| 18:48.57 | kergoth | sorphin: we're following cvs. which means stability is up in the air |
| 18:49.07 | kergoth | for the GUI anyway. the base system is solid. |
| 18:49.17 | kergoth | course that also means we get lets of new features |
| 18:49.19 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:50.01 | kergoth | GOD usb-storage pisses me off |
| 18:50.05 | kergoth | it crashes constantly |
| 18:50.22 | sorphin | nod |
| 18:50.29 | chouimat | kergoth: ditch it :) |
| 18:50.41 | kergoth | chouimat: and what, copy the images over usb networking? |
| 18:50.45 | kergoth | chouimat: like _thats_ any more stable |
| 18:50.47 | kergoth | chouimat: :) |
| 18:51.04 | file | hi everyone |
| 18:51.07 | chouimat | kergoth: no use a windows box and use sambe :) |
| 18:51.17 | kergoth | thats still usb networking |
| 18:51.19 | kergoth | i dont have an AP at my house |
| 18:51.31 | kergoth | but even if i did, these are 24 meg images |
| 18:51.35 | kergoth | would take a while |
| 18:51.36 | kergoth | hey josh |
| 18:51.56 | file | kergoth: greetings, what's up? |
| 18:52.20 | kergoth | cleaning, hacking on things |
| 18:52.27 | chouimat | hey file |
| 18:52.45 | file | chouimat: bonjour |
| 18:52.59 | chouimat | weatherbot: weather cyqb |
| 18:53.00 | weatherbot | Current conditions at Quebec, Que, Canada: It is -2 C (28 F), windspeed is 16.09 km/h, and visibility is 32.19 km. (Information current as of 2003.03.16 1800 UTC). |
| 18:53.10 | kergoth | its beautiful out here today |
| 18:53.16 | file | weatherbot: weather cyqm |
| 18:53.18 | weatherbot | Current conditions at Moncton, N. B., Canada: It is -3 C (26 F), windspeed is 8.05 km/h, and visibility is 24.14 km. (Information current as of 2003.03.16 1800 UTC). |
| 18:53.54 | chouimat | kergoth: here too ... but I'm waiting a phone call so I can't go out yet |
| 18:54.19 | kergoth | I should go over to my parents house and play frisbee with my little brother or something |
| 18:54.26 | kergoth | better than sitting on my ass here |
| 18:54.40 | kergoth | goddamnit |
| 18:54.48 | kergoth | you still cant set init=/bin/sh when sh is a busybox link |
| 18:54.58 | kergoth | cause the kernel just has to set argv[0] to 'init' |
| 18:55.05 | kergoth | and of course i didnt enable busybox init.. |
| 18:55.08 | chouimat | kergoth: I'm waiting for a phone call from my mother but since I don't have a work schedule here |
| 18:55.22 | TomW_gone | GPSFan: there is a "pilot tone" that the DOCSIS modems look for, then when they find it, they use that as a reference "tone" of some kind to adjust the XMIT & RECV level of the RF. |
| 18:55.50 | kergoth | Any progress been made on the dct5000s yet? tim been around? |
| 18:57.19 | GPSFan | TomW_gone: hmmm that's interesting, when you get yours you can hook it up to your cable and see what happens. |
| 18:58.35 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: good news bad news time |
| 18:58.44 | CosmicPenguin | Good news is that the DVDs work - bad news is that they look like crap |
| 18:59.34 | chouimat | hmmmm need to fix that advanced firewall thing really soon because my brain is starting to rot |
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| 19:00.47 | kergoth | mallum: yo |
| 19:02.30 | TomW_gone | GPSFan: http://www.netwide.net/users/CableGuy/HowtoUncapDocsisCompliantCableModems.htm |
| 19:02.43 | mallum | kergoth: hey there |
| 19:02.55 | mallum | kergoth: did you get your libc build playing nicely ? |
| 19:04.48 | TomW | GPSFan: yeah, I am thinking of that.. When I purchased my cable modem from the ISP, they wanted the MAC address and the serial number of the unit. The MAC I can understand, for the snmp negotiation, but was the serial number only for their records (they sold it to me, not some other vendor), or, is it part of the ID process when the modem contacts the tftp server? |
| 19:05.28 | kergoth | mallum: yes |
| 19:05.38 | kergoth | mallum: and promptly ran into your tinylogin segfault bug :) |
| 19:05.44 | kergoth | http://openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/ has the new toolchain |
| 19:05.59 | kergoth | glibc 2.3.1, gcc3.2.3ds4(debian unstable package pool) |
| 19:06.36 | GPSFan | TomW: thanks, wish I had cable to play around with. |
| 19:07.06 | mallum | kergoth: ah cool, I'll update mine |
| 19:07.18 | TomW | GPSFan: when the weather changes radically, I occasionally have to "retrain" my modem: hold RESET and power cycle it. It then goes through a process of listening to the pilot tone / freq to get it's RF adjusted. The modem will function within +/- 2 or 3 db signal strength . |
| 19:07.37 | mallum | kergoth: I have a 2.3.1 image set with gdb to test the tinylogin seg |
| 19:07.46 | kergoth | ah |
| 19:08.25 | kergoth | was about to do one myself when i ran into the 'init=/bin/sh' doesnt work with busybox sh bug |
| 19:08.30 | TomW | GPSFan: that RF value I do not know (the minimum signal strength), they don't like to talk about the modems, but I have picked up some trivia like that over the years. |
| 19:08.41 | kergoth | ~lart the kernel for setting argv[0] to init regardless of init= value |
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| 19:09.51 | TomW | GPSFan: what I am wondering about, is the VOD (video on demand) services that the cable company just implemented in my area. Wonder how that works? |
| 19:10.26 | mallum | wierd xchat just crashed |
| 19:10.35 | TomW | GPSFan: ... not that I would want to watch it without subscribing or anything like that, mind you... :D |
| 19:10.42 | mallum | kergoth: its wierd that busybox works for familiar with 2.3.1 |
| 19:11.09 | chouimat | TomW: the cable modem are using the mac adresse not the serial number |
| 19:11.24 | kergoth | mallum: with init=/bin/sh? |
| 19:11.29 | TomW | chouimat: yeah, for the snmp. |
| 19:11.32 | kergoth | mallum: then they either patched busybox or patched the kernel |
| 19:11.49 | kergoth | mallum: i suspect the former, given it was sandman who packaged busybox, and i discussed this with him in the past |
| 19:12.27 | TomW | GPSFan: chouimat: I know where I can borrow a spectrum analyzer.... |
| 19:12.49 | chouimat | TomW: I worked for a cable co and I build their cable modem network ... |
| 19:12.54 | mallum | kergoth: hmm, I wonder where the patches are ? |
| 19:12.58 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: what's your source? vhs? hi8? |
| 19:13.06 | TomW | chouimat: ooh! goodie! |
| 19:13.16 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: the video is dv |
| 19:13.24 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: but most of it is pictures |
| 19:13.28 | chouimat | TomW: I need to check if I still ave the PDFs :) |
| 19:13.31 | sorphin | heh |
| 19:13.39 | kergoth | mallum: well, he has busybox cvs access.. so i dont see why he wouldnt have pushed the changes |
| 19:13.39 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: thats why I think I might want to go non interlaced, and deal with the poor video |
| 19:14.26 | GPSFan | TomW: don't need to borrow one, I have an hp8552/8553/8554/8555/141T |
| 19:14.27 | chouimat | TomW: cable network -> computer network, not so big diff |
| 19:14.39 | TomW | GPSFan: nice toy. |
| 19:15.01 | GPSFan | swap meet and years of scrounging. |
| 19:15.39 | TomW | chouimat: yeah, I suspect that it is only a change in the physical network layer (RF) and peculiarities to the RF where it needs to level adjust it's AGC. |
| 19:16.02 | sorphin | heh |
| 19:16.23 | TomW | weatherbot: weather kabe |
| 19:16.25 | weatherbot | Current conditions at Allentown, Lehigh Valley International Airport, PA, United States: It is 17 C (64 F), windspeed is 11.27 km/h, and visibility is 16.09 km. (Information current as of 2003.03.16 1851 UTC). |
| 19:17.44 | sorphin | weatherbot: weather kstl |
| 19:17.45 | weatherbot | Current conditions at St. Louis, Lambert-St. Louis International Airport, MO, United States: It is 20 C (69 F), windspeed is 12.87 km/h, and visibility is 16.09 km. (Information current as of 2003.03.16 1853 UTC). |
| 19:17.57 | GPSFan | TomW: did your new cablemodem have a MAC address printed on a sticker? the DCT5000 doesn't, and there doesn't seem to be an eeprom inside to hold it. |
| 19:18.26 | chouimat | TomW: yup ... maybe you cable co don't do regular maintenance of the network ... like mine the technicinans are on strike for about 10 months ... so now the quality of the picture change from channel to channel, my ati tv wonder RF is dying ... |
| 19:18.27 | TomW | GPSFan: yes. |
| 19:19.17 | TomW | chouimat: we have a consortium that does the Cable Modem stuff, PenTeleData, LLC. |
| 19:19.18 | GPSFan | TomW: we might have to "salvage" some MAC addresses then. |
| 19:19.32 | TomW | GPSFan: what? go promiscuis? |
| 19:19.46 | TomW | :O |
| 19:19.48 | chouimat | TomW: I adjust the color, contrast and brightness on one channel, I change and I need to readjust the setting ... |
| 19:20.18 | TomW | sorphin: to see what you can see. |
| 19:20.20 | chouimat | sorphin: to make you wonder |
| 19:20.27 | sorphin | chouimat: wasn't talking to you |
| 19:20.40 | chouimat | sorphin: but I am :) |
| 19:20.42 | sorphin | TomW: heh |
| 19:20.51 | GPSFan | sorphin: I'm just curious, I don't have cable to try it on. |
| 19:20.54 | sorphin | chouimat: then i'll have to rectify that. |
| 19:21.03 | TomW | sorphin: there is some info about uncapping the speed limit on the modems... |
| 19:21.09 | sorphin | TomW: i know |
| 19:21.16 | chouimat | TomW: where? |
| 19:21.17 | sorphin | i know how cablemodem configuation works |
| 19:21.24 | sorphin | a friend of mine ([mbm]) did it once before |
| 19:21.28 | TomW | chouimat: http://www.netwide.net/users/CableGuy/HowtoUncapDocsisCompliantCableModems.htm |
| 19:21.33 | sorphin | and got caught :P |
| 19:21.42 | CosmicPenguin | Selection Sunday baby! |
| 19:21.45 | sorphin | cuz his modem wasn't tftp'ing a config from the headend anymore |
| 19:21.49 | sorphin | and they noticed |
| 19:22.06 | sorphin | the docsis config tells the modem what speed it should have |
| 19:22.11 | sorphin | that's it |
| 19:22.21 | sorphin | as far as speed control i mean |
| 19:22.53 | sorphin | the tftp'd config tells the modem what it needs to know/do, so simple to hijack |
| 19:23.20 | TomW | I just realized something, they didn't have me sign the Residential Service Contract, the one with two pages of fine print telling me that I cannot have a server, cannot do this, cannot do that... |
| 19:24.01 | sorphin | nod |
| 19:24.07 | TomW | I had a commercial account with PTD and BRC must have forgotten about that when I converted the account to a residential. |
| 19:25.24 | TomW | sorphin: we had no limitations on what we could do in the "early days", but as the system grew & grew, they got greedy and started charging for stuff that had been free. |
| 19:25.41 | sorphin | nod |
| 19:25.41 | TomW | sorphin: static IPs, use of a server, speed limits... |
| 19:25.43 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: are you allowed to have servers, or can you make sure they don't check you? :) |
| 19:25.53 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i'm allowed to |
| 19:26.26 | sorphin | heh, now here's the typical kinda /. story i could do without: |
| 19:26.28 | sorphin | Farscape Fans Reinventing Television |
| 19:26.37 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: I can put a server together, as long as it is above port 1023, they block the incoming SYN request below 1024. Except for port 22. |
| 19:27.48 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hey the index block in the config file, does it support more that 2 columns? |
| 19:27.51 | TomW | they cannot block above 1023 and not hear a howl of protest from their users. |
| 19:27.53 | sorphin | oh, and i can't forget "children of dune" on /. too, that scifi advertises during their 10 min block of commercials, followed by 5 mins of programming |
| 19:29.17 | sorphin | prpplague: heh, who's you beat up to get this going? ;) Texas Bill Would Require Open Source Consideration |
| 19:29.45 | prpplague | sorphin: most of the local GOP meetings |
| 19:29.52 | prpplague | sorphin: been pushing for a while |
| 19:30.02 | sorphin | ah |
| 19:38.09 | CosmicPenguin | yep |
| 19:38.45 | mallum | 24 is on tonight :) |
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| 19:42.08 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: so as long as i keep within the pixel size i can do as many columns as possible? |
| 19:42.46 | kergoth | grr |
| 19:42.55 | kergoth | stupid fucking usb-storage crashed again |
| 19:45.36 | kergoth | mallum: hmm |
| 19:46.04 | sorphin | kergoth: yup |
| 19:46.18 | sorphin | kergoth: welcome to my world, and how i had a hdd get fscked :P |
| 19:46.26 | kergoth | eek |
| 19:46.42 | sorphin | kergoth: my main drive, which wasn't even on the USB no less |
| 19:46.46 | sorphin | and was ext3 :P |
| 19:47.31 | sorphin | kergoth: ironically, the windows side works perfect :P |
| 19:47.36 | chouimat|gone | sorphin: ouch |
| 19:48.06 | chouimat|gone | sorphin: any data lost? |
| 19:48.35 | sorphin | the linux side... seems to suck ass most of the time, i downgraded kernels to try and help fix things cuz of a usb bug, it helped some.. but not completely |
| 19:48.49 | sorphin | you can't do more than 1 thing on a usb drive on the chain |
| 19:48.51 | kergoth | heh, i've tried a billion kernel versions |
| 19:48.53 | kergoth | 2.4, 2.5 |
| 19:48.56 | sorphin | i.e. if you try and read from it while writing |
| 19:48.57 | kergoth | usb-storage sucks everywhere |
| 19:48.59 | sorphin | you'll hang |
| 19:49.02 | sorphin | the bus |
| 19:49.11 | sorphin | that's how i coastered my burn i was doing of christine |
| 19:49.16 | kergoth | ouch |
| 19:49.17 | chouimat|gone | sorphin: got a hug crash here, my home dir goit unlinked .... |
| 19:49.19 | sorphin | the source drive hung |
| 19:49.25 | sorphin | burnfree waited and waited |
| 19:49.29 | sorphin | and timed out |
| 19:49.49 | sorphin | i still think there's gotta be a way to finish, using burn free to catch up where it was |
| 19:49.52 | sorphin | but i can't find shit on how |
| 19:50.40 | sorphin | kergoth: i've been wishing i'd gotten a dual interface case |
| 19:50.50 | sorphin | used firewire for the pc, and used the usb2.0 for on the tivos |
| 19:51.00 | sorphin | esp since |
| 19:51.06 | sorphin | the damn chips in these usb cases |
| 19:51.14 | sorphin | maxes out at 18M |
| 19:51.17 | sorphin | :P |
| 19:51.41 | kergoth | copying a 24mb image to my cf card.. *crosses fingers* |
| 19:51.50 | chouimat|gone | kergoth: c700? |
| 19:52.18 | sorphin | kergoth: at one point i was using 2.4.19, backed out to .17 i think it is.. |
| 19:52.41 | chouimat|gone | sorphin: I'm using 2.4.21pre5 so far so good |
| 19:52.47 | kergoth | whew |
| 19:52.59 | kergoth | chouimat|gone: yeah, hacking on the c700 support again. figured i'd finish it |
| 19:53.36 | sorphin | kergoth: what's the most life you've gotten out of your 55? |
| 19:53.46 | kergoth | define life |
| 19:54.41 | kergoth | *ahem* define life _in this context_ |
| 19:54.42 | kergoth | :) |
| 19:54.48 | sorphin | battery :P |
| 19:55.06 | kergoth | ah, dont know actually. i'm almost always tethered to a wall |
| 19:55.13 | sorphin | ah |
| 19:55.14 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: yes to your previous question |
| 19:55.15 | chouimat|gone | kergoth: life == some happy moment in a sea of boredom |
| 19:55.35 | sorphin | kergoth: still kinda disappoints me |
| 19:55.41 | sorphin | i use it for not even 10 mins |
| 19:55.45 | sorphin | and it charges for a hour |
| 19:55.51 | kergoth | eh |
| 19:56.00 | kergoth | I can use mine for a few hours roughly |
| 19:56.33 | sorphin | i never see it self discharge like the LiIon in my laptop does either |
| 19:56.45 | sorphin | was kinda surprised |
| 19:58.25 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ok, thanks, one more question about the interger option |
| 19:59.36 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: can we do something like integer(min,max,default) ? |
| 20:01.13 | kergoth | mallum: when I run getty 38400 tty1 from a prompt in my image it runs fine.. odd |
| 20:02.18 | mallum | kergoth: hmm, are you init=/bin/sh with bash ? |
| 20:02.28 | kergoth | nope, i'm init=/bin/sh with busybox sh |
| 20:02.33 | kergoth | (i patched the kernel to make it work) |
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| 20:02.35 | kergoth | :) |
| 20:02.40 | kergoth | hey TheMasterMind1 |
| 20:02.52 | kergoth | I'm rebuilding with init=/sbin/init again to check my sanity |
| 20:03.08 | kergoth | sorphin: dont say a word |
| 20:03.09 | kergoth | :) |
| 20:04.15 | mallum | kergoth: cool, is the c700 kernel building with your new 3.2 ? |
| 20:04.21 | kergoth | nope |
| 20:04.28 | kergoth | I dont build kernels with gcc3, they're known to fail to boot |
| 20:06.42 | mallum | kergoth: ah ok, on all arches ? |
| 20:07.04 | kergoth | i dont build any kernels anywhere with gcc3 to be safe |
| 20:07.07 | kergoth | aha |
| 20:07.15 | kergoth | got a segmentation fault when i boot with init |
| 20:07.16 | kergoth | hrm |
| 20:08.09 | mallum | kergoth: can I do like a make CROSS_GCC=2.95.3 SUBDIRS=packages/kernel-c700 ? |
| 20:09.55 | kergoth | hmm, not at the moment, no |
| 20:10.13 | mallum | kergoth: np, I've just been stop/starting it |
| 20:10.30 | kergoth | yeah |
| 20:10.40 | kergoth | vi .config .. /GCCVER .. s/2.95.3/3.2/ .. :wq .. |
| 20:10.45 | kergoth | rinse, repeat |
| 20:10.47 | kergoth | :) |
| 20:10.55 | kergoth | I'm thinking I'll keep a seperate buildroot for kernel builds |
| 20:11.01 | kergoth | since a kernel build is no longer required to build glibc |
| 20:12.26 | mallum | yeah sounds good |
| 20:13.31 | sorphin | kergoth: i've been compiling w/ gcc 3.2 for a while, never had a kernel fail |
| 20:13.58 | kergoth | yeah, some people say that |
| 20:14.15 | kergoth | yet you can read RMK's emails go on for 2 pages of all the ARM compilation bugs that make the kernel explode in gcc 3.x |
| 20:14.18 | kergoth | :) |
| 20:14.54 | kergoth | mallum: hey cool, just made it so you can override gcc ver from the commandline |
| 20:14.56 | kergoth | mallum: i'll push it |
| 20:16.09 | kergoth | we need some new screenshots of how opie looks now |
| 20:16.12 | kergoth | with the new crystal icon set |
| 20:16.14 | sorphin | instead of just 3000 opies ;) |
| 20:16.55 | kergoth | as soon as it open sources, rest assured it will be |
| 20:17.08 | scanline | what's the advantage of pixil? :) |
| 20:17.49 | file | scanline: welcome back to conciousness |
| 20:18.00 | scanline | heh |
| 20:18.04 | scanline | good morning |
| 20:18.56 | kergoth | mallum: does your getty segfault when run from the commandline? |
| 20:19.19 | mallum | kergoth: no there yet, building a new image with new gcc x-compile - should be ready in a mo |
| 20:19.22 | sorphin | scanline: it's neat, and it's CosmicPenguin approved *grin* |
| 20:19.24 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: don't start with me |
| 20:19.27 | CosmicPenguin | :) |
| 20:19.27 | kergoth | mallum: k |
| 20:19.33 | scanline | sorphin: good enough for me |
| 20:19.51 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: too much of PicoGUI has already found its way into Microwindows ayway |
| 20:19.57 | scanline | hehe |
| 20:20.01 | sorphin | scanline: ever fix pgserver? :P~ |
| 20:20.04 | scanline | what parts, touchscreen code? |
| 20:20.14 | scanline | sorphin: fix what about it? |
| 20:21.12 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: definately the touchscreen code |
| 20:21.20 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: and probably some of the alpha blending stuff |
| 20:21.30 | mallum | kergoth: btw, if you run ts_calibrate from within opie, does it switch vt ok ? |
| 20:21.33 | sorphin | scanline: the last time i'd talked to you about picogui, was when pgserver wouldn't compile or something :P |
| 20:21.44 | kergoth | mallum: i doubt it |
| 20:21.50 | scanline | sorphin: eh.. pgserver works fine, though it probably still has Zaurus-related problems that I haven't touched |
| 20:21.59 | sorphin | scanline: this wasn't for Z |
| 20:22.01 | sorphin | this was for tux |
| 20:22.05 | scanline | ah |
| 20:22.12 | scanline | well I haven't touched the tux stuff in even longer |
| 20:22.34 | scanline | fixing tux and zaurus is on the list of stuff to do before 1.0 |
| 20:22.40 | sorphin | nod |
| 20:22.43 | mallum | kergoth: It works wierdly with X too, it seems not to 'flush' away the old contents of the framebuffer which is wierd |
| 20:22.49 | kergoth | hm |
| 20:22.59 | mallum | kergoth: I made some patches to ts_calibrate, Im yet to try .. |
| 20:25.22 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: Hope you have something else to do - thats running of a 200Mhz machine at the slow end of a DSL line |
| 20:25.33 | scanline | hehe |
| 20:25.37 | scanline | it's gettin there... |
| 20:25.54 | scanline | why such a slow server? |
| 20:26.04 | sorphin | ok you other Z owners.. does *anyone* bother w/ screen protectors? |
| 20:26.08 | scanline | there's always sourceforge |
| 20:26.38 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: yeah, right... |
| 20:27.18 | sorphin | scanline: you mean suckforge? |
| 20:27.19 | scanline | I could maybe run a server on navi.picogui.org for ya ;) |
| 20:27.31 | scanline | sorphin: yeah.. but when it's not down, it's usually faster than DSL |
| 20:27.37 | scanline | sometimes |
| 20:27.40 | sorphin | scanline: which isn't often |
| 20:27.45 | sorphin | which is why they have mirrors now ;p |
| 20:27.51 | scanline | yeah |
| 20:27.57 | sorphin | scanline: btw.. re. navi |
| 20:28.02 | sorphin | aren't you capped again yet? ;) |
| 20:28.06 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hey |
| 20:28.10 | scanline | don't think I am |
| 20:28.18 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: yo? |
| 20:28.22 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i didn't get an answer to my last question |
| 20:28.30 | CosmicPenguin | the answer is yes |
| 20:28.32 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: can we do something like integer(min,max,default) ? |
| 20:28.38 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: for that one? |
| 20:28.44 | CosmicPenguin | oh - ummmm... I forget |
| 20:29.09 | sorphin | "the answer is yes" :P |
| 20:29.31 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: actually, its default, min, max, step, bigstep |
| 20:29.39 | mallum | kergoth: do you have a patch for the kernel to work with init=/bin/sh ? |
| 20:29.52 | kergoth | mallum: yeah, need it? |
| 20:29.58 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ahh, i didn't see an example so i didn't know |
| 20:30.06 | mallum | kergoth: yeah wouldn't hurt. bash dont seem to want to build |
| 20:30.09 | kergoth | k |
| 20:30.09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: one last thing |
| 20:30.12 | CosmicPenguin | yo |
| 20:30.40 | mallum | kergoth: I should port the crystal icons to matchbox/gpe |
| 20:30.41 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: when starting the app, is there an argument for telling it which .list file to use? |
| 20:30.57 | CosmicPenguin | outlook unsure - ask again later... :) |
| 20:31.06 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: lol |
| 20:31.13 | mallum | kergoth: but first build a matchbox package for OZ :-) |
| 20:31.19 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: no, but there should be... |
| 20:31.25 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: stick it on the bug list, will ya? |
| 20:31.29 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ok, yep |
| 20:31.45 | kergoth | mallum: good plan |
| 20:32.32 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: actually, I envision a config file - apparently we will need to support multiple forms at the same time |
| 20:33.57 | kergoth | mallum: you got mail. |
| 20:34.20 | mallum | kergoth: thx, brb ... dinner |
| 20:35.00 | kergoth | k |
| 20:35.33 | sorphin | kergoth: yo |
| 20:36.26 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya but it would just be as easy to have an icon for survey form1 |
| 20:36.33 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: and survey form2 |
| 20:36.40 | kergoth | sorphin: yea? |
| 20:36.48 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: yeah, but that means we need to make a canvas widget |
| 20:36.57 | sorphin | kergoth: don't shoot me, ok? |
| 20:37.08 | sorphin | kergoth: highly thinking i'll take the rc3 plunge |
| 20:37.36 | sorphin | has no CF or mmc |
| 20:37.48 | kergoth | Cant do it. |
| 20:37.54 | sorphin | hrm |
| 20:37.59 | sorphin | bah |
| 20:38.00 | kergoth | Unless you want to write an app to mmap /dev/mem and write the data to flash directly |
| 20:38.09 | kergoth | :) |
| 20:38.13 | kergoth | because teh sharp mtd driver is read only. |
| 20:38.15 | kergoth | (mtdrom) |
| 20:38.22 | kergoth | cant use the mtd layer to write to it |
| 20:38.26 | sorphin | nod |
| 20:38.31 | kergoth | *cough*idiots*cough* |
| 20:38.34 | chouimat|gone | bbl |
| 20:38.38 | kergoth | later chouimat |
| 20:38.39 | sorphin | then how's their windows toy do it? :P |
| 20:38.44 | kergoth | sorphin: good question :) |
| 20:38.48 | kergoth | probably the method i just named |
| 20:38.57 | chouimat|gone | kergoth: will go take a walk to a used book store :) |
| 20:39.54 | sorphin | kergoth: all i know is it reboots the Z and flashes |
| 20:40.14 | kergoth | sorphin: probably drops a startup script into place which mmaps /dev/mem and writes |
| 20:40.28 | sorphin | that's how i mess w/ the tivo's prom ;p |
| 20:40.39 | kergoth | I'm sure linux can handle having its rootfs and kernel written out from under it |
| 20:41.10 | kergoth | I need a tivo |
| 20:41.16 | sorphin | kergoth: i have too many |
| 20:41.18 | sorphin | want one? :P |
| 20:41.29 | kergoth | unless we get the dct5000 able to do PVR, in which case i'll be content |
| 20:41.29 | kergoth | heheh |
| 20:41.42 | sorphin | nod |
| 20:42.04 | kergoth | ah ha! |
| 20:42.12 | kergoth | tomw's makedevs tool segfaults when built with gcc3 |
| 20:42.15 | kergoth | thats why my image wouldnt boot |
| 20:42.18 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:42.22 | sorphin | and a series 2 i need to offload |
| 20:42.30 | kergoth | I'd be willing to take one off your hands. how much? |
| 20:42.42 | sorphin | which one? |
| 20:42.44 | kergoth | mallum: makedevs segfaults in gcc3 |
| 20:42.57 | chouimat|gone | sorphin: series is which powerpc? |
| 20:42.59 | kergoth | hell if i know, i dont even know the difference :) |
| 20:43.05 | sorphin | the S1's got ether already ala me :P |
| 20:43.44 | sorphin | um.. the series 1's are PPC, all mine have 32M of mem, i can give a bigger drive w/in reason (they have 15G right now, cuz i used them for testing) |
| 20:44.12 | chouimat|gone | sorphin: which ppc cpu? |
| 20:44.18 | sorphin | i still use one of the 3 as my live tivo |
| 20:44.41 | sorphin | eh.. $125 ? |
| 20:44.47 | sorphin | all have socketed proms |
| 20:44.49 | sorphin | too |
| 20:47.04 | sorphin | kergoth: ya know, i wish the damn Z had pcmcia :P then i could use my 2 pcmcia hdds :P |
| 20:47.20 | chouimat|gone | hehe |
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| 20:47.30 | kergoth_ | and usb-storage kicks my ass again |
| 20:47.33 | chouimat|gone | huh? two kergoth we're doom |
| 20:47.49 | sorphin | kergoth_: yup |
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| 20:47.57 | sorphin | kergoth: last thing you saw? |
| 20:48.26 | kergoth | that the S1s have ether, and that they have 15gb atm |
| 20:48.40 | sorphin | i still use one of the 3 as my live tivo |
| 20:48.44 | sorphin | all have socketed proms |
| 20:48.49 | sorphin | eh.. $125 ? |
| 20:49.33 | kergoth | reasonable, but I'm broke. badly. as in, a month behind on my electric, mortgage, gas, and water |
| 20:49.36 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:49.44 | kergoth | it'll take a couple months to get out of the fucking hole i'm in |
| 20:49.54 | sorphin | they aren't goin anywhere |
| 20:50.19 | chouimat|gone | sorphin: which powerpc cpu they used in series 1? |
| 20:52.42 | mallum | kergoth: aha |
| 20:52.57 | kergoth | mallum: so we only have the _base_ set of devices, the ones in flash |
| 20:52.59 | kergoth | mallum: b00m b00m |
| 20:54.14 | mallum | kergoth: doh :( |
| 20:54.26 | sorphin | kergoth: heh |
| 20:54.26 | mallum | kergoth: makedev must be pretty simple program though ? |
| 20:54.30 | kergoth | it is, very simple |
| 20:54.37 | sorphin | kergoth: is this what happened to you? :P |
| 20:54.39 | sorphin | "If it makes your Zaurus steal your girlfriend, do not come crying to us." |
| 20:54.41 | kergoth | either the xscale opts are borking it, or gcc3 in general |
| 20:54.58 | sorphin | kergoth: it's prolly the xscale opts |
| 20:55.02 | kergoth | yep, probably |
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| 20:56.20 | bobcat | sorphin: ping |
| 20:56.27 | sorphin | bobcat: hmm ? |
| 20:56.38 | bobcat | bobcat: did you put me on ignore? |
| 20:56.57 | sorphin | chouimat? |
| 20:56.57 | bobcat | sorphin: did you put chouimat on ignore? |
| 20:57.02 | bobcat | sorphin: yup |
| 20:57.03 | sorphin | yes, i did |
| 20:57.22 | bobcat | sorphin: ok I want to know which powerpc cpu the series 1 use |
| 20:58.20 | sorphin | bobcat: cpu : IBM 403GCX |
| 20:58.53 | bobcat | sorphin: thanks ... |
| 20:58.58 | mallum | kergoth: is it just getting mtune'd for xscale ? |
| 20:58.59 | sorphin | nod |
| 20:59.28 | kergoth | mallum: in buildroot, everything does |
| 20:59.40 | kergoth | mallum: CFLAGS gets the opts implicitly |
| 20:59.44 | mallum | kergoth: yeah. no other xscale opts ? |
| 21:00.02 | bobcat | sorphin: that took time but I got an answer ... |
| 21:00.03 | kergoth | export FULL_OPTIMIZATION = -fexpensive-optimizations -fomit-frame-pointer -O2 |
| 21:00.10 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:00.18 | chouimat|gone | ok i'm off |
| 21:00.23 | file | chouimat|gone: ttyl |
| 21:00.37 | sorphin | anyways |
| 21:00.38 | mallum | kergoth: cool, so it should still run on strongarm , right ? |
| 21:00.53 | kergoth | yes |
| 21:00.56 | kergoth | its just tuned for xscale |
| 21:01.02 | kergoth | which is why we dont set -mcpu.. |
| 21:01.09 | mallum | okie, playing with it on my cats box |
| 21:01.13 | kergoth | k |
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| 21:07.00 | mallum | kergoth: okie I have it segving on the cats |
| 21:07.43 | mallum | gdb) set args -r ./ -D device_table.txt |
| 21:07.43 | mallum | (gdb) run |
| 21:07.43 | mallum | Starting program: /home/mallum/Projects/makedev/makedev -r ./ -D device_table.txt |
| 21:07.43 | mallum | Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. |
| 21:07.43 | mallum | 0x40091f64 in mallopt () from /lib/libc.so.6 |
| 21:07.43 | mallum | (gdb) bt |
| 21:07.45 | mallum | #0 0x40091f64 in mallopt () from /lib/libc.so.6 |
| 21:07.47 | mallum | Cannot access memory at address 0x78 |
| 21:07.56 | sorphin | mallum: maybe it needs more catnip? |
| 21:08.37 | mallum | sorphin: 1 of our real cats, got a pigeon last night and left bits of it round the house as a gift for us this morning |
| 21:09.05 | sorphin | mallum: lovely |
| 21:09.08 | kergoth | mallum: flashing an image with makedevs built without opts |
| 21:09.44 | mallum | kergoth: cool, with them hardcoded ? |
| 21:10.03 | bobcat | mmm pigeon |
| 21:10.31 | kergoth | boom boom |
| 21:10.33 | kergoth | still crashes |
| 21:11.46 | bobcat | sorphin: that very very mean |
| 21:12.47 | sorphin | more broad this time :P |
| 21:13.09 | bobcat | since he ignore me ... I think sorphin is a bofh |
| 21:13.56 | sorphin | chouimat|gone: um.. you act like calling me a bofh is a bad thing :P |
| 21:14.11 | kergoth | mallum: bug in getline() in glibc 2.3.1 perhaps? |
| 21:14.17 | chouimat|gone | sorphin: ok you don't have any patience then .... |
| 21:14.27 | sorphin | chouimat|gone: you obviously know nothing about what a bofh is, nor anything about me. |
| 21:14.41 | sorphin | chouimat|gone: and no, i don't, not when it comes to ignorance :P |
| 21:14.48 | sorphin | and when ppl but in :P |
| 21:14.59 | chouimat|gone | sorphin: :) |
| 21:15.11 | sorphin | chouimat|gone: now good day, cuz i doubt you'll be circumventing this new ignore :P |
| 21:15.30 | file | sorphin is an irritating persion... |
| 21:15.56 | chouimat|gone | file: yup ... and very irratable too ... |
| 21:16.00 | mallum | kergoth: from stepping through, looks like line 249 is the problem |
| 21:16.42 | kergoth | mallum: right |
| 21:16.47 | mallum | kergoth: on line /dev/fb0autodetect |
| 21:16.56 | kergoth | mallum: getline is supposed to allocate mem for the line buffer if line was NULL |
| 21:17.06 | kergoth | mallum: but apparently getline returns success, and line is still NULL |
| 21:17.16 | kergoth | mallum: hence the explosion when it attempts to free |
| 21:17.19 | kergoth | thats my theory anyway, testing now |
| 21:17.44 | file | chouimat|gone: aren't you supposed to be gone? |
| 21:17.51 | mallum | kergoth: maybe just a if (line) free(line) for now ? |
| 21:18.17 | kergoth | mallum: well, if line is NULL, obviously its not going to be able to parse the line and create the device.. something weird is going on |
| 21:18.26 | chouimat|gone | file: I'm on the phone :( and I think I got an idea on how circuvent sorphin ignore :) |
| 21:20.23 | mallum | kergoth: maybe a better fix is to allocate *line outselves ? |
| 21:20.49 | kergoth | mallum: probably, then we dont rely on getline()'s sanity |
| 21:20.55 | kergoth | mallum: besides, its inefficient |
| 21:21.03 | kergoth | mallum: malloc, free, malloc, free, rinse, repeat |
| 21:21.05 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:21.27 | file | chouimat|gone: hehe |
| 21:23.16 | sorphin | kergoth: where's oz hosted? (asking so i know whether i should definately use a mirror or not) |
| 21:23.24 | kergoth | SF |
| 21:23.26 | kergoth | '.. |
| 21:23.27 | kergoth | so yes |
| 21:23.33 | kergoth | if they've been updated anyway |
| 21:23.34 | sorphin | ickypoo |
| 21:24.20 | mallum | file: cheap ? |
| 21:24.22 | kergoth | k |
| 21:24.34 | file | mallum: $2.95/mth USD is my cheapest |
| 21:25.13 | file | or if you pay $7.95 it's 750MB storage, 15GB bandwidth, static IP and all kinds of junk... |
| 21:25.38 | file | $2.95 gets you 100mb storage and 5GB of bandwidth |
| 21:25.46 | kergoth | hrm |
| 21:25.49 | mallum | kergoth: changing line 235 to line = alloca(256); and removing the free(line) and line = NULL below seems to fix it |
| 21:26.09 | file | oops - 20GB bandwidth for $7.95 |
| 21:26.35 | mallum | file: thats pretty damn good. |
| 21:26.47 | file | mallum: yeah... I'm not marking it up or anything for people I know |
| 21:26.57 | file | mallum: that's the base price :) |
| 21:27.24 | kergoth | mallum: getline expects a malloc() allocated buffer |
| 21:27.34 | kergoth | mallum: if 256 isnt large enough, it'll try a realloc() on it, and promptly blow up :) |
| 21:27.44 | mallum | file: can you take cc payments ? |
| 21:27.48 | kergoth | so i'll just malloc it and free prior to function return |
| 21:27.50 | file | mallum: via Paypal... |
| 21:28.15 | mallum | kergoth: ah cool, Im getting too light handed lately with alloca :-) |
| 21:28.17 | file | mallum: I'm paid up for 2 years on my master account, server fees, etc so I'll be around that long LOL |
| 21:28.29 | kergoth | mallum: hehe. its useful.. just not in this case :) |
| 21:28.32 | file | (atleast) |
| 21:32.32 | mallum | file: I may well chase you up about hosting in near future |
| 21:32.43 | file | mallum: ic |
| 21:32.50 | sorphin | heh |
| 21:33.28 | file | mallum: the hosting is done on a nice box, dual Pentium 3 1.113GHz processors - 512MB of RAM, RAID5, total of 200mbps bandwidth :) |
| 21:34.13 | mallum | file: I have a intel 2u dual PIII , 1Gb just sitting on my desk doing nothing :( |
| 21:34.28 | file | mallum: use it for something! |
| 21:34.31 | mallum | file: I was mean to get that hosted somewhere |
| 21:34.49 | mallum | file: will probably sell / donate / trade |
| 21:34.56 | file | mallum: ic |
| 21:35.27 | file | mallum: I will also accept hardware for payment of hosting! |
| 21:35.45 | file | (SDRAM is what I need) |
| 21:36.49 | sorphin | mallum: speed? |
| 21:37.06 | mallum | sorphin: dual 500's |
| 21:37.09 | sorphin | hmm |
| 21:37.24 | sorphin | faster than my dual PPro box, and is already in a rack case |
| 21:37.25 | sorphin | heh |
| 21:37.45 | sorphin | w/ lotsa goodies, but 2 mid towers at the bottom still |
| 21:37.50 | mallum | remember Im in UK so there is a problem of postage costs ... |
| 21:37.57 | sorphin | mallum: hehe |
| 21:38.02 | sorphin | mallum: trust me, i know |
| 21:38.17 | file | mallum: pay for a year of hosting and get a free MySQL database! |
| 21:38.32 | chouimat | ewwwwww mysql |
| 21:38.47 | sorphin | he's still trying to beg $ to recover shipping ;p |
| 21:39.51 | mallum | kergoth: is it working for you with a malloc ? |
| 21:45.27 | file | chouimat: what's up? |
| 21:46.58 | kergoth | mallum: woot |
| 21:47.04 | kergoth | mallum: she's booting just fine now |
| 21:47.10 | kergoth | i'll push the changes |
| 21:47.48 | kergoth | brb |
| 21:49.20 | chouimat | file: nothing |
| 21:49.32 | file | chouimat: amazing |
| 21:51.56 | mallum | kergoth: rock :-) give me a nudge when you push |
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| 22:30.37 | kergoth | mallum: er, nevermind, it didnt boot properly, just looked like it |
| 22:30.41 | kergoth | mallum: must've missed something |
| 22:30.55 | sorphin | heh |
| 22:31.06 | mallum | kergoth: I cant get it to not segv with various combo's of malloc |
| 22:31.14 | kergoth | same here |
| 22:31.17 | kergoth | something really weird is going on |
| 22:31.50 | mallum | kergoth: maybe drop the getline and use an fgets instead ? |
| 22:32.25 | kergoth | that may be best |
| 22:44.18 | mallum | kergoth: bah, its still segv'ing with an fgets ! :( |
| 22:44.27 | mallum | 24 time, biab |
| 22:44.35 | kergoth | mallum_24: wtf? |
| 22:47.41 | chouimat | http://www.shadowflux.com/xbox.html |
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| 23:07.01 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: lo |
| 23:07.06 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you around? |
| 23:10.15 | prpplague | kergoth: go clean something...lol |
| 23:10.49 | chouimat | kergoth: usb-storage again? |
| 23:10.59 | kergoth | yes |
| 23:11.07 | kergoth | my uptime is.. 4 minutes |
| 23:11.24 | prpplague | kergoth: usb storage or hot date? |
| 23:11.34 | kergoth | bah |
| 23:11.41 | chouimat | prpplague: lol |
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| 23:38.24 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: yep |