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| 01:16.53 | sorphin | andersee: allo erik |
| 01:19.34 | andersee | sorphin: "Did you say 'hello'?" "No, I said 'allo', but thats close enough" |
| 01:19.50 | sorphin | heh |
| 01:20.15 | file | sorphin: just like you do with everyone? |
| 01:21.14 | sorphin | 2 diff types of ne2k cards |
| 01:21.25 | sorphin | both give the same errors |
| 01:21.43 | sorphin | tons of timeout waiting for TX RDC, Hw. address read/write mismap and mismatched read page pointers # vs # |
| 01:39.02 | MonMotha | anyone know if linksys sells replacement antennas for their APs? |
| 01:39.21 | collord | someone makes much better replacements |
| 01:39.34 | collord | nearson |
| 01:39.44 | collord | 5 dbi |
| 01:40.08 | MonMotha | well, I'd just like to replace the one that my cat just put a bunch of holes in |
| 01:40.14 | MonMotha | preferably withotu spending tons of money |
| 02:01.25 | MonMotha | oddly enough, my onboard sound doesn't suck...very good SNR |
| 02:02.10 | file | MonMotha: but... that's against the laws of nature |
| 02:03.58 | MonMotha | file: it's actually a separate device, just happens to be onboard |
| 02:04.07 | MonMotha | it's basically a creative labs Sound Blaster 128 |
| 02:04.11 | file | ahhhh ic |
| 02:04.18 | MonMotha | 00:10.0 Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq 5880 AudioPCI (rev 04) |
| 02:04.31 | MonMotha | I have an authentic (non Vibra) SB16 |
| 02:04.39 | file | what's the difference? |
| 02:04.42 | MonMotha | the original, complete with jumpers and onboard IDE/SB CD |
| 02:04.59 | MonMotha | it's not Plug-n-Pray, among other things |
| 02:05.10 | file | oh ic |
| 02:05.12 | file | the Vibra is... |
| 02:07.41 | MonMotha | yes, especially the Pray part |
| 02:07.51 | file | it's nice :) |
| 02:08.06 | file | a simple "modprobe sb" and I have sound |
| 02:08.38 | MonMotha | you didn't have the pleasure of getting it to work on 2.2 kernels with the isapnp utils |
| 02:08.44 | MonMotha | you just have kernel isapnp suppot |
| 02:16.01 | sorphin | guess i get to build a flash programmer |
| 02:24.23 | sorphin | stupid piece of crap |
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| 03:44.16 | Tigren | anyone home? |
| 03:44.51 | file[laptop] | yes |
| 03:44.53 | file[laptop] | I am at home. |
| 03:45.49 | MonMotha | sorphin: yes, JTAG would be nice |
| 03:46.01 | MonMotha | sorphin: do you have a design for a flash programmer? |
| 03:46.06 | Tigren | what is the least amount of resources i need to run a small CLI? |
| 03:46.21 | MonMotha | I have one that could be modded to do 16 bit wide ROMs (just add a few octal flip-flops in to make a shift register) |
| 03:46.29 | MonMotha | Tigren: define resources |
| 03:46.41 | MonMotha | non volitile storage, RAM, processing power, etc |
| 03:46.47 | Tigren | well, i have a cassiopeia a-11 |
| 03:46.59 | Tigren | isnt too powerful |
| 03:48.29 | MonMotha | what specs tho? |
| 03:48.47 | MonMotha | and I assume your objective is to run uClinux on it (I'm guessing it lacks an MMU) |
| 03:48.55 | Tigren | Ya, ofcourse |
| 03:49.10 | Tigren | OS version: Handheld PC ~ WinCE 1.0 |
| 03:49.10 | Tigren | CPU: Hitachi SH3 @ 40MHz |
| 03:49.10 | Tigren | RAM / ROM: 4MB / 4MB |
| 03:49.10 | Tigren | Size & Weight: 7.09 x 3.54 x 0.79 inches, 13.4oz |
| 03:49.10 | Tigren | 180 x 90 x 20 mm, 380g |
| 03:49.11 | Tigren | Display: FSTN, 480 x 240, 4 greyscales |
| 03:49.13 | Tigren | Communications: Serial cable |
| 03:49.17 | Tigren | IrDA @ 115.2Kb |
| 03:49.19 | Tigren | Audio: Mono Speaker |
| 03:49.21 | MonMotha | SH3? |
| 03:49.21 | Tigren | Input: Touch screen |
| 03:49.23 | Tigren | Power: 2x AA, 25 hours |
| 03:49.25 | Tigren | Expansions: PC Card Type II |
| 03:49.26 | MonMotha | I thought SH had an MMU |
| 03:49.30 | Tigren | not sure |
| 03:49.34 | Tigren | dont no anything about it |
| 03:49.36 | Tigren | it is real old |
| 03:49.37 | MonMotha | needless to say that's plenty |
| 03:49.46 | Tigren | picked it up for 10 bux at a garage sale |
| 03:49.50 | Tigren | plenty?! |
| 03:49.53 | Tigren | really |
| 03:50.19 | MonMotha | the 4MB RAM might be cutting it a bit close, so you'll have to be careful |
| 03:50.27 | MonMotha | the biggest issue is that it's probably a mask rom |
| 03:50.36 | MonMotha | so no way to load another OS onto it without replacing the chip |
| 03:50.44 | Tigren | replacing the chip? |
| 03:50.45 | Tigren | really |
| 03:51.09 | sorphin | MonMotha: heh |
| 03:51.11 | MonMotha | unless it's programmable, which it probably isn't in that kind of deice |
| 03:51.11 | Tigren | it also has a pcmcia slot, so you can put stuff on a cf card perhaps |
| 03:51.12 | MonMotha | device |
| 03:51.18 | MonMotha | still have to be able to boot it |
| 03:51.23 | Tigren | true |
| 03:51.39 | MonMotha | you might be able to hack together a program to bootstrap from the built in OS |
| 03:51.44 | sorphin | MonMotha: might get anotehr webpal and boot it into the gdb trick, swap the simm and flash that way, then i know i can get away with howswap |
| 03:51.46 | sorphin | hotswap even |
| 03:51.51 | sorphin | since the programmer is in memory |
| 03:52.22 | MonMotha | sorphin: well, I'll be building a ROM programmer soon (gunna be etching the boards myself probably) |
| 03:52.31 | MonMotha | I might be able to run you off one once I get it done |
| 03:52.31 | sorphin | MonMotha: define soon ;p |
| 03:52.40 | MonMotha | soon == within a couple months :) |
| 03:52.43 | sorphin | ah |
| 03:52.57 | MonMotha | I've got the hardware design almost done, haven't started on the board but it's pretty simple |
| 03:53.02 | sorphin | well, won't help me right atm, but sure, i'll take a board when they're ready |
| 03:53.05 | MonMotha | uses PC pport in EPP mode |
| 03:53.12 | sorphin | nod |
| 03:53.13 | MonMotha | I'll need som ehelp writing the software tho |
| 03:53.16 | Tigren | MonMotha: so the possibility of getting linux running on this device is slim to none without actually puttiong in a new chip? |
| 03:53.30 | MonMotha | Tigren: your only hope would be to bootstrap from within the built in OS |
| 03:53.36 | Tigren | alright |
| 03:53.38 | MonMotha | which is sometimes possible, especially if the OS doesn't use the MMU |
| 03:54.04 | MonMotha | so basically, you turn it on, upload a prog to it using the sync software, run that, then it loads linux from somwhere (like a CF card) |
| 03:54.25 | Tigren | right right |
| 03:54.41 | sorphin | MonMotha: sucks they had to use such a stupid setup |
| 03:55.29 | sorphin | MonMotha: i dunno how this thing even bricked, wasn't even touching the bootloader part of the flash this time |
| 03:57.27 | MonMotha | sorphin: well, at least they socketed it |
| 03:57.40 | MonMotha | it's more cirrus's fault for not including somethign like JTAG |
| 03:57.55 | MonMotha | I would have liked them to bring BYTE out to a pin though |
| 03:58.00 | MonMotha | so an 8 bit programmer couldbe used |
| 03:58.12 | Tigren | grrr |
| 03:58.29 | sorphin | MonMotha: nod |
| 03:58.44 | sorphin | MonMotha: well, socketing doesn't mean much when it uses a funky pinout anyways :P |
| 03:59.13 | MonMotha | sorphin: yeah, I'm going to have to put a custom SIMM socket on the board |
| 03:59.21 | MonMotha | of course it will have standard DIP and such too |
| 03:59.30 | MonMotha | as well as some of the other socketable things |
| 03:59.38 | MonMotha | I might make it able to burn the atmel chip too |
| 04:00.15 | sorphin | nod |
| 04:00.24 | sorphin | too bad my cisco simm won't work.. |
| 04:00.29 | file[laptop] | goodnight everyone |
| 04:03.27 | MonMotha | sorphin: the problem is this flash programmer has like $50 worth of 74 series glue logic on it (when bought in small quantities, <10) |
| 04:03.31 | MonMotha | that's a lot of glue logic |
| 04:03.42 | sorphin | nod |
| 04:03.44 | MonMotha | partly because it's designed to burn just about anything, flash, EPROM, etc |
| 04:04.21 | sorphin | only need to get it so i can flash 1 back to original, so i can do the GDB trick |
| 04:04.26 | sorphin | then i can flash the other |
| 04:04.37 | MonMotha | sorphin: I can send you my current design, feel free to suggest improvements (me having little experience in this field, I'm sure you have some ideas to simplify it) |
| 04:05.12 | sorphin | MonMotha: is it as hard to read as the last thing you sent me? ;) |
| 04:05.39 | MonMotha | sorphin: yep, probably the same thing in fact |
| 04:05.49 | MonMotha | just with some improvements, and a couple logic flaws fixed |
| 04:06.47 | sorphin | or if i had something else w/ flash that i could write to a simm temporarily |
| 04:07.35 | MonMotha | btw, is there a limit on the size of what you can upload with the rdp? |
| 04:08.46 | sorphin | i dunno |
| 04:13.35 | MonMotha | I ask because I tried just uploading a kernel image (kernel on clps7500 can self boot, ala x86) and it eventually came back with an error during upload |
| 04:28.15 | MonMotha | sorphin: this version should be a dream to program compared to my old design (EPP, only thing the app has to do is worry about timing as the device acks immediately, ebfore the rom is actually going to be done) |
| 04:28.22 | MonMotha | however, of course the hardware is a lot more complex |
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| 05:21.38 | sorphin | MonMotha: nod |
| 05:21.57 | sorphin | this one bricked just liek teh last one.. doing an upload and suddenly starts checksum erroring |
| 05:23.20 | MonMotha | well, I'll try to get this design done by the end of the week |
| 05:24.41 | sorphin | least they coulda done is used a normal DIP flash :P |
| 05:24.46 | sorphin | like any self respecting motherboard ;p |
| 05:25.21 | sorphin | or atleast used a cpu w/ jtag ;p |
| 05:27.23 | sorphin | still thinking of maybe wiring some other sort of flash device if i can |
| 05:28.37 | MonMotha | well, if they had put in two flash chips, one DIP socketed one (for the boot area) and then a SMT one (for most of the data) |
| 05:28.48 | MonMotha | basically, enough to allow yout o remove the boot flash and program it with a bootloader |
| 05:28.57 | MonMotha | these things weren't meant to be hacked on at all though |
| 05:29.07 | sorphin | yeah |
| 05:29.35 | sorphin | if we could atleast have made the boot area protectable like on the tux |
| 05:29.52 | MonMotha | hum, do these chips have protection? |
| 05:29.54 | MonMotha | they might |
| 05:30.30 | MonMotha | yes they do |
| 05:30.38 | MonMotha | I will have to include that in my BLOB port |
| 05:31.16 | MonMotha | btw, what is the difference between flash and EEPROM? |
| 05:31.53 | sorphin | i'm still a bit pissed about blob :P |
| 05:31.55 | sorphin | stupid xmodem |
| 05:31.59 | MonMotha | ? |
| 05:32.04 | MonMotha | what's wrong with xmodem? |
| 05:32.21 | sorphin | doesn't work over telnet like ymodem and zmodem do, but of course that's what's in blob :P |
| 05:32.41 | MonMotha | hum, I'll see if I can borrow some ymodem code from the OHH loader |
| 05:32.48 | MonMotha | it even supports ymodem-g |
| 05:32.57 | sorphin | nod |
| 05:33.01 | sorphin | as for your question |
| 05:33.08 | sorphin | eeprom has a size limit for one thing :P |
| 05:33.14 | sorphin | the structure too |
| 05:34.31 | sorphin | MonMotha: look at the diskonchip |
| 05:34.39 | sorphin | it's flash, but it's made to emulate an eeprom |
| 05:34.52 | sorphin | pin wise, etc |
| 05:36.42 | MonMotha | hum, nm |
| 05:36.48 | MonMotha | can't do protections on the flash in this sucker |
| 05:36.52 | MonMotha | needs 12V on OE and A9 |
| 05:37.18 | MonMotha | you'd have to protect it in special hardware since those pins aren't brought out to anywhere (and they're directly connected to the proc outputs, which probably wouldn't like having 12V applied to them) |
| 05:37.54 | MonMotha | we could draw up some special SIMMs I guess...but you'd still have to protect the proc |
| 05:39.11 | sorphin | nod |
| 05:39.30 | sorphin | thought about wiring in reverse to get one of em flashed too |
| 05:39.40 | sorphin | since i have plenty of non simm flashable devices |
| 05:40.04 | sorphin | 'don't have a simm socket tho |
| 05:40.19 | MonMotha | well, I'll see what I can do about getting this flash programmer made |
| 05:40.48 | MonMotha | shall I make it handle 32 bit ROMs for completeness's sake (and to burn the rare/upgraded 2MB webpal simms)? |
| 05:41.21 | sorphin | up to you, depends on how much more it would add |
| 05:42.10 | MonMotha | well, since I'm etching the boards, board realestate isn't a big deal...and the parts will probably consist of 2 more 74574s and a couple more 74244s |
| 05:42.24 | MonMotha | however, I can only etch boards so big |
| 05:42.32 | MonMotha | and all the extra traces may pose a problem |
| 05:42.40 | MonMotha | thing is, it has to handle 16 bit anyway |
| 05:42.51 | MonMotha | 8bit is easiest, but BYTE isn't brought out on the webpal simms |
| 05:42.59 | MonMotha | (tied high to force 16 bit operation) |
| 05:43.05 | sorphin | nod |
| 05:58.17 | MonMotha | they don't happen to make bi-directional octal flip-flops, do they (ala 74245)? :) |
| 05:58.29 | sorphin | umm |
| 05:58.46 | sorphin | you ask that and mention the 74245 like it is one, make up your mind :P |
| 05:59.29 | MonMotha | oh, sorry |
| 05:59.36 | MonMotha | the 245 is a bidirectional buffer |
| 05:59.43 | MonMotha | the webpal has a couple |
| 05:59.58 | MonMotha | (remember, I'm making this damned flash burner using entirely 74 series logic) |
| 06:00.04 | sorphin | nod |
| 06:00.24 | sorphin | heh, atleast they used the 'standard pinout' amd chip and not the reverse one :P |
| 06:00.28 | MonMotha | heh |
| 06:00.38 | MonMotha | mine has a fujitsu chip |
| 06:00.45 | sorphin | same thing |
| 06:00.57 | sorphin | mine's a fujitsu too |
| 06:01.04 | sorphin | but the chip is the same |
| 06:01.11 | MonMotha | yes |
| 06:01.11 | sorphin | fujitsu vs amd |
| 06:01.18 | MonMotha | hum, time to think of a better way to do this |
| 06:01.22 | MonMotha | 8 buffers is a few too many |
| 06:01.34 | sorphin | gee. ya think? :P |
| 06:01.47 | MonMotha | well, my original idea would have needed like 16 |
| 06:01.50 | MonMotha | :) |
| 06:01.52 | sorphin | heh |
| 06:02.01 | MonMotha | plus 4 flip flops |
| 06:02.01 | sorphin | no wonder it was so cluttered :P |
| 06:02.09 | MonMotha | I took out some crap that wasn't needed |
| 06:02.12 | sorphin | now where's ken/tomw when you need them :P |
| 06:02.27 | MonMotha | it's much nicer now, and more usable (you can write only one byte of the address, speeding up sequential writes/reads) |
| 06:02.33 | MonMotha | lets, see here |
| 06:02.37 | MonMotha | I can just use 8 flip flops |
| 06:02.58 | MonMotha | the problem is that the data bus is bidirectional (of course) |
| 06:03.15 | MonMotha | and most 74 series parts aren't (245 being an exception) |
| 06:03.44 | MonMotha | yes, you write the software :) |
| 06:03.52 | MonMotha | I thought you were a EE, you should know this crap :)_ |
| 06:04.06 | sorphin | heh |
| 06:04.13 | sorphin | i'm an EE that doesn't to much EE these days :P |
| 06:04.21 | sorphin | for the tivo crap |
| 06:04.41 | sorphin | works w/ atmel and SST PLCC chips |
| 06:04.45 | MonMotha | let me guess, you work in management now |
| 06:05.02 | sorphin | no, app support and sys admin |
| 06:05.10 | sorphin | and severely underpaid |
| 06:05.17 | MonMotha | ah |
| 06:05.22 | MonMotha | a EE working as a sysadmin |
| 06:05.23 | MonMotha | pathetic |
| 06:05.26 | sorphin | umm |
| 06:05.28 | sorphin | not really |
| 06:05.35 | sorphin | since i prefer doing sysadmin shit ;p |
| 06:05.36 | MonMotha | depends on what you do as a sysadmin I geuss |
| 06:05.41 | MonMotha | ah, that works too |
| 06:05.44 | sorphin | all unix ;p |
| 06:06.33 | sorphin | man their programming table sucks |
| 06:07.27 | MonMotha | btw, whatever you do when making software for this thing I'm building |
| 06:07.32 | MonMotha | do NOT try to do an address read :) |
| 06:08.02 | MonMotha | it's like crossing the streams |
| 06:08.03 | MonMotha | don't do it :) |
| 06:08.12 | sorphin | heh |
| 06:08.38 | MonMotha | (there are times it won't break anything, though it won't return anything useful EVER) |
| 06:08.56 | sorphin | hmm |
| 06:09.02 | sorphin | the tivo flash is 3.3v.. |
| 06:09.06 | MonMotha | if you have it set up to do a data read (data from the rom) and you try an address read, you'll end up with two things contending for the bus I do believe |
| 06:09.10 | sorphin | there goes using it's capability to flash this thing |
| 06:09.18 | MonMotha | if you build this with 3.3v tolerant parts and use 3.3V vcc it will work |
| 06:10.01 | MonMotha | HCT can directly drive both TTL/LS and CMOS, right? |
| 06:13.52 | sorphin | umm |
| 06:14.04 | sorphin | thought it was only 1 |
| 06:16.17 | MonMotha | HCTs are CMOS devices with TTL drive capability |
| 06:16.20 | MonMotha | let me check the datasheet |
| 06:17.38 | MonMotha | damn NFS |
| 06:18.14 | sorphin | hehe |
| 06:18.24 | sorphin | the webpals didn't like either ne2k card i had |
| 06:18.29 | sorphin | dunno why |
| 06:19.36 | MonMotha | check the IRQ? |
| 06:20.11 | sorphin | did |
| 06:20.17 | sorphin | it detects it |
| 06:20.23 | sorphin | usually |
| 06:20.58 | sorphin | tons of timeout waiting for TX RDC, Hw. address read/write mismap and mismatched read page pointers # vs # <---- as i've said a few times now |
| 06:23.09 | MonMotha | hum, dunno |
| 06:26.41 | sorphin | heh |
| 06:26.43 | sorphin | jus figured out |
| 06:27.22 | sorphin | my sparc classic had (i never did rung the memconf script on it to find the layout), it had 48M (which i knew).. just found out it was 2x16 and 4x4 |
| 06:28.09 | sorphin | so just picked up 2 16M 72 pinners now |
| 06:34.36 | MonMotha | actually, you know what I need |
| 06:34.41 | MonMotha | I need a 32 to 8 multiplexer |
| 06:35.25 | MonMotha | unforunately, that doesn't exist in 74 series logic...4000 maybe? |
| 06:35.45 | MonMotha | probably not |
| 06:36.02 | sorphin | i dunno, search? |
| 06:37.18 | sorphin | this thing has too many addr lines :P |
| 06:37.22 | MonMotha | attempting to |
| 06:37.25 | kergoth | yo |
| 06:37.30 | sorphin | it's the same size as the xbox bios too |
| 06:37.36 | sorphin | kergoth: wow, you're awake |
| 06:38.04 | kergoth | been awake plenty, just avoid computer shit on the weekends |
| 06:38.09 | kergoth | heheh |
| 06:38.13 | sorphin | ah |
| 06:38.15 | MonMotha | address lines? it's the damn data lines that's the problem |
| 06:38.23 | sorphin | MonMotha: 19 addr lines :P |
| 06:38.37 | sorphin | kergoth: heh, bricked my 2nd webpal, while trying to sort out ethernet issues :P |
| 06:39.13 | MonMotha | sorphin: 32 data lines! |
| 06:39.20 | MonMotha | thought I guess it really only has 16 that I need to worry about |
| 06:39.32 | MonMotha | the address lines are fine since they're not bidirectional |
| 06:39.36 | MonMotha | a simple shift register takes care of them |
| 06:40.18 | MonMotha | there is a 74604, 16 to 8 multiplexer |
| 06:40.30 | sorphin | nod |
| 06:40.40 | MonMotha | I'd still need a counter or something to make it behave like a shift register |
| 06:40.46 | MonMotha | (such a counter, 1 bit :) |
| 06:41.04 | MonMotha | ok, so I could use a single flip flop :) |
| 06:41.13 | sorphin | MonMotha: the reason i bitched about the addr lines |
| 06:41.20 | sorphin | is everything else i have that uses flash |
| 06:41.22 | sorphin | is smaller |
| 06:41.27 | MonMotha | ah |
| 06:41.38 | MonMotha | 19 address lines isn't too bad |
| 06:41.40 | sorphin | so i can't very well hook up addr lines that don't exist |
| 06:42.10 | MonMotha | there shouldn't be only 19 |
| 06:42.12 | MonMotha | bleh |
| 06:42.14 | MonMotha | s/only// |
| 06:42.20 | MonMotha | there should be fewer than 19 |
| 06:42.21 | sorphin | there are |
| 06:42.30 | sorphin | it's an 8 mbit chip |
| 06:42.47 | MonMotha | yes, but it has a 16 bit wide data bus |
| 06:42.57 | sorphin | hmm |
| 06:42.59 | MonMotha | so you only need to address 1M locations |
| 06:43.02 | sorphin | ok, i dunno where i got 19 |
| 06:43.06 | MonMotha | er 512k |
| 06:43.12 | sorphin | A0-A16 |
| 06:43.21 | sorphin | hmm |
| 06:43.25 | MonMotha | that's 17 |
| 06:43.36 | sorphin | either or :P |
| 06:43.47 | sorphin | coo |
| 06:43.52 | sorphin | the atmel uses A0-A16 too |
| 06:44.06 | MonMotha | my burner can handle 24 address lines tho |
| 06:44.16 | sorphin | hmm |
| 06:44.17 | sorphin | 7 |
| 06:44.18 | sorphin | damn |
| 06:44.24 | MonMotha | and you can keep slapping flip flops on to get insane things like 64 bit address busses :) |
| 06:44.28 | sorphin | erm |
| 06:44.28 | sorphin | 8 |
| 06:44.32 | sorphin | not enough |
| 06:44.35 | MonMotha | it's the data bus that's the problem since it's bidirectional |
| 06:44.57 | sorphin | nod |
| 06:45.10 | sorphin | there goes using a tivo |
| 06:45.20 | sorphin | only 1/2 the needed data lines |
| 06:45.25 | MonMotha | ln(1024^2/16)/ln(2) == 16 |
| 06:45.30 | MonMotha | see, it works :) |
| 06:45.38 | sorphin | nod |
| 06:45.44 | MonMotha | if it were 8 bits wide, it would be easy |
| 06:45.47 | MonMotha | as the pport is 8 bits |
| 06:45.59 | MonMotha | if they had brought the damn BYTE line out to the header |
| 06:46.09 | sorphin | so bring it out yourself :P |
| 06:46.11 | MonMotha | could ahve even been a no connect on the board (just put a pull up on it) |
| 06:46.14 | MonMotha | I've thought about it |
| 06:46.22 | MonMotha | would make it a lot easier, just need another address line |
| 06:46.27 | MonMotha | (which I've got 21) |
| 06:46.29 | MonMotha | er 24 |
| 06:47.05 | sorphin | this cisco flash simm is 4M |
| 06:47.10 | sorphin | w/ 4 chips |
| 06:47.15 | sorphin | i can't find the damn pinouts for the chips tho |
| 06:47.17 | sorphin | stupid intel |
| 06:52.16 | MonMotha | strataflash? |
| 06:52.31 | sorphin | no |
| 06:52.35 | sorphin | think i found it |
| 06:52.48 | sorphin | FlashFile |
| 06:54.14 | sorphin | damn thing is only 40 pins tho |
| 06:55.25 | sorphin | and different of course |
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| 06:56.13 | sorphin | and there's mr picogui/pong |
| 06:56.26 | scanline | heh |
| 06:56.44 | sorphin | ;) |
| 06:58.50 | MonMotha | I wonder if anyone makes 74604s |
| 06:58.54 | MonMotha | seems like no |
| 06:59.10 | sorphin | heh |
| 06:59.53 | MonMotha | I'm trying to keep my chip count the data bus part below 10 :) |
| 06:59.59 | sorphin | heh |
| 07:00.18 | MonMotha | if they made bidirectional flip flops (74574 but bidirectional), it would be easy (would take 4 chips) |
| 07:01.30 | sorphin | nod |
| 07:02.03 | MonMotha | actually nm |
| 07:02.06 | MonMotha | even that wouldn't do it |
| 07:02.14 | MonMotha | well, I guess it woudl |
| 07:02.15 | MonMotha | yeah |
| 07:09.00 | MonMotha | actually no it wouldn't :) |
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| 15:04.11 | CosmicPenguin | morning folks |
| 15:04.14 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: you awake? |
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| 15:16.33 | sieve | morning all |
| 15:20.23 | CosmicPenguin | morning sieve |
| 15:21.09 | sorphin | lo |
| 15:22.58 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: what up? |
| 15:25.07 | sorphin | not me nor my webpals |
| 15:29.26 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: damn |
| 15:29.36 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: my local electronics shop didn't have the damn RS232 chip |
| 15:29.49 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: now you know why i maxim sampled :P |
| 15:29.54 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: yeah |
| 15:29.55 | sorphin | still got one left |
| 15:29.58 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: I gotta order them today |
| 15:30.05 | sorphin | need a 3rd webpal tho :P |
| 15:30.11 | sorphin | both to recover the other 2 |
| 15:30.16 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: luckly (or sadly, depending on your point of view), I am too damn busy to play |
| 15:30.16 | sorphin | and to use this 3rd chip ;p |
| 15:30.21 | sorphin | hehe |
| 15:30.33 | sorphin | well, both my webpals are now bricked, and i'm sick ;p |
| 15:30.57 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: bad day, eh? |
| 15:31.05 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: it's monday ;p |
| 15:31.49 | sorphin | ever |
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| 15:32.35 | sorphin | and speak of the POS devil |
| 15:32.37 | sorphin | and he appears |
| 15:32.42 | CosmicPenguin | There is the man, the myth the legend himself |
| 15:32.52 | CosmicPenguin | Its prpplague the white! |
| 15:32.57 | prpplague | ho ho freakin ho |
| 15:33.04 | sorphin | prpplague: yo |
| 15:33.10 | sorphin | prpplague: guess what i did this weekend? |
| 15:33.56 | prpplague | sorphin: lost your virginity? |
| 15:33.57 | sorphin | prpplague: bricked both webpals :P |
| 15:34.05 | prpplague | doh |
| 15:34.11 | sorphin | stupid checksum error |
| 15:34.11 | prpplague | sorphin: how? |
| 15:34.24 | sorphin | wasn't even touching the bootloader on the 2nd one when it did it |
| 15:34.36 | prpplague | sorphin: need me to ship you an extra flash sim? |
| 15:35.11 | pattieja | anybody hacked the new Intel Internet appliance I just found on TigerDirect.com? |
| 15:35.26 | pattieja | it's called the Intel dot Station |
| 15:35.27 | sorphin | pattieja: prolly not since you haven't told us what it is ;) |
| 15:35.27 | prpplague | pattieja: url? |
| 15:35.42 | pattieja | hmm. |
| 15:35.44 | pattieja | refurbished |
| 15:35.49 | pattieja | anyway, only $199.99 |
| 15:35.57 | pattieja | http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?sku=N52-1072%20P |
| 15:36.47 | CosmicPenguin | heh - its already been hacked.. ;) |
| 15:36.59 | sorphin | prpplague: actually was gonna see if you'd gotten your pallet in yet and/or invented your flasher yet, but a simm would do.. tho.. the *only* way i can think of to recover it w/ a spare flashed simm, is the gdb trick and hot swapping.. |
| 15:37.14 | pattieja | CosmicPenguin: cool! |
| 15:37.32 | pattieja | I didn't think it would be that difficult, as it is already running Linux (or at least KDE 3) |
| 15:37.36 | pattieja | which I would assume means Linux |
| 15:38.00 | prpplague | sorphin: negative no pallet yet, they still hacen't charged my cc |
| 15:38.08 | prpplague | sorphin: i think they are jerkin me around |
| 15:38.20 | pattieja | CosmicPenguin: is it available on linux-hacker.net bbs site? |
| 15:38.24 | CosmicPenguin | pattieja: thats what I mean.... if its running KDE 3, it been hacked |
| 15:38.36 | prpplague | sorphin: you can boot the webpal with a good sim and then remove the sim and put another in |
| 15:38.38 | CosmicPenguin | pattieja: what are you going to do, put something less on it? |
| 15:38.38 | nelson | pattieja: ouch. 70 pounds. That's gonna cost $25 shipping at least. |
| 15:38.41 | pattieja | CosmicPenguin: the specs say it runs KDE 3 |
| 15:38.45 | pattieja | :) |
| 15:38.46 | CosmicPenguin | pattieja: your point |
| 15:38.47 | CosmicPenguin | ? |
| 15:39.02 | pattieja | is it worth getting one? |
| 15:39.06 | CosmicPenguin | nah |
| 15:39.09 | sorphin | prpplague: i tried that, it doesn't work if you boot into the Ctrl-A programmer and then swap, it never connects to the programmer after taht point |
| 15:39.13 | CosmicPenguin | Not in my opinion, but I'm not a good source |
| 15:39.15 | pattieja | hmm |
| 15:39.26 | CosmicPenguin | pattieja: save your money for the hackkit instead |
| 15:39.27 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: that thing looks like a portable tv w/ a keyboard ;p |
| 15:39.33 | pattieja | yep |
| 15:39.34 | prpplague | sorphin: right, thats why you use the user level app |
| 15:40.01 | sorphin | prpplague: which you can't do if a) it rejects both types of your ne2k cards |
| 15:40.15 | sorphin | b) the rootfs on the flash has a b0rked busybox |
| 15:40.29 | sorphin | c) have nothing else for a r00t ;) |
| 15:40.54 | sorphin | did read someone using a simm extender and the gdb trick tho |
| 15:41.11 | prpplague | ahh |
| 15:41.17 | sorphin | ironically |
| 15:41.28 | sorphin | i was trying to flash a kernel possibly allowing ethernet to work :P |
| 15:41.49 | sorphin | tried 2 diff brand ne2ks... |
| 15:42.38 | sorphin | prpplague: tons of timeout waiting for TX RDC, Hw. address read/write mismap and mismatched read page pointers # vs # <---- as i've said a few times now ;) |
| 15:42.48 | sorphin | all the cards work fine elsewhere |
| 15:42.52 | sorphin | no dma |
| 15:42.56 | sorphin | Programmed IO |
| 15:43.10 | sorphin | (as opposed to Shared Mem mode) |
| 15:51.05 | pattieja | CosmicPenguin: what's the hackkit? |
| 15:51.31 | prpplague | ibot: hackkit |
| 15:51.32 | | from memory, hackkit is http://hackkit.eletztrick.de/ |
| 15:51.41 | prpplague | pattieja: a board i'm having made |
| 15:52.01 | sorphin | prpplague: a much anticipated board ;) |
| 16:00.14 | sorphin | prpplague: any insight ? |
| 16:00.42 | prpplague | sorphin: negative, i'm a little swamped at the momement |
| 16:00.49 | sorphin | righto |
| 16:03.10 | nelson | argh. how do I turn off the stupid message/New Call light on my tuxscreen? |
| 16:04.00 | sorphin | nelson: sledgehammer ;) |
| 16:04.19 | CosmicPenguin | nelson: answer your voice mail, and pick up the phone line again |
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| 16:05.01 | nelson | hmmm... hackkit sounds an awful lot like a skiff. |
| 16:05.11 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 16:05.12 | sorphin | a skiff? |
| 16:05.18 | nelson | CosmicPenguin: ahhhhh, I see! It gets set because of a stutter ring. |
| 16:05.23 | CosmicPenguin | nelson: yeah |
| 16:05.38 | nelson | sorphin: it's a small SA board that Compaq CRL made. |
| 16:05.48 | sorphin | ah |
| 16:05.49 | CosmicPenguin | nelson: I would like to change that timing, but since the line needs to be picked up to detect the stutter or not, there really is no way around it |
| 16:06.07 | CosmicPenguin | nelson: the skiff was the proof of concept for the Ipaq, right? |
| 16:06.11 | nelson | CosmicPenguin: I have two distinctive rings, and it's responding to the ring RIIIIIIIIING ring |
| 16:06.34 | nelson | CosmicPenguin: I don't think so. The way I heard it, the CRL folks heard about the iPAQ as it was going into production test. |
| 16:07.08 | CosmicPenguin | nelson: I would actually prefer not to have that bad boy turn on... what say we hack tuxphone to allow for a configuration file so we can turn that junk off |
| 16:07.13 | nelson | CosmicPenguin: so my question remains ... how do I turn it off under programmatic control? Can tuxphone do it? |
| 16:07.49 | CosmicPenguin | nelson: yeah, its just a configuration to the DSP. A quick 2 second hack |
| 16:08.23 | nelson | So how come the 20020507 image doesn't come with 'wheaties'? |
| 16:08.36 | nelson | Couldn't I turn it off using wheaties? |
| 16:09.25 | CosmicPenguin | nelson: you mean the wheaties.o driver? |
| 16:19.58 | nelson | CosmicPenguin: Isn't there a program named 'wheaties' which sends bytes over to the DSP and prints the response packet? |
| 16:20.43 | sorphin | nelson: i've only ever seen wheaties.o |
| 16:22.17 | CosmicPenguin | nelson: there may have been such an app long ago, but it probably has been deprecated |
| 16:22.51 | CosmicPenguin | nelson: because of the nature of the DSP, the daemon is the best way to handle all the phone activity |
| 16:23.12 | nelson | CosmicPenguin: ahhhhh. So tuxphone should be doing it, then. |
| 16:23.19 | nelson | For all values of 'it'. |
| 16:26.35 | sorphin | nelson: basically |
| 16:27.21 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: you around? |
| 16:27.40 | CosmicPenguin | nelson: exactly. Its the glue that actually makes everything work |
| 16:28.32 | signal11 | CosmicPenguin: whats up |
| 16:29.00 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: do me a huge favor? Pretend that I am way too lazy to setup spamassasin for myself.... |
| 16:29.10 | CosmicPenguin | Could you give me a leg up and send me the config files that you use? |
| 16:29.27 | sorphin | hehe |
| 16:29.41 | signal11 | sure |
| 16:30.35 | sorphin | kergoth: morning digiboy |
| 16:31.01 | kergoth | hey dan, everyone else |
| 16:52.21 | sieve | kergoth: morning |
| 16:53.57 | sorphin | sieve: ah, it's the other abcsinc victim |
| 17:10.11 | Russ | andersee: why move udhcpc to /sbin? |
| 17:38.00 | CosmicPenguin | does anyone else who uses apt-get from RPM know of a Ximian repository? |
| 17:43.53 | CosmicPenguin | I found one - but I am not sure if I dare upgrade to gnome2 or not |
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| 17:54.05 | prpplague | sjhill: lo |
| 17:55.26 | sjhill | hi prpplague |
| 17:55.49 | sjhill | lo' sorphin |
| 17:55.57 | sjhill | hi TomW |
| 18:11.24 | nelson | prpplague: if hackkit is "cheap", how cheap? |
| 18:11.49 | prpplague | nelson: normaly cost for the entire dev kit will be $450 |
| 18:15.38 | nelson | prpplague: yow. Not something one would casually purchase as a toy, then. |
| 18:18.19 | CosmicPenguin | nelson: depends on your priorities... :) |
| 18:19.28 | nelson | CosmicPenguin: for that price, if I wanted to play, I'd make meself a development board for the iPAQ. Why should CRL have all the fun?? |
| 18:20.00 | kergoth | heh, i doubt that'd be as useful as the hackkit |
| 18:20.36 | CosmicPenguin | nelson: Since my hardware abilities are non-existent, I'll pay the price |
| 18:21.08 | kergoth | yeah, I need one as a learning tool as well |
| 18:21.22 | TomW | sjhill: hello |
| 18:22.02 | prpplague | nelson: shopped around for an arm dev board lately? |
| 18:22.04 | nelson | Not being a reader of German, I didn't appreciate the specs document. What does it have on it that any other PC-104 CPU board doesn't have? |
| 18:22.32 | prpplague | nelson: the hackkit will be over 50% cheaper than anything like it |
| 18:22.37 | nelson | prpplague: can't say that I have. On the other hand, depending on what you want to do, an iPAQ might make a better dev board. |
| 18:22.55 | nelson | prpplague: is there a feature list in English? |
| 18:22.59 | prpplague | nelson: oh ya? soldered anything to an ipaq board lately? |
| 18:23.17 | prpplague | nelson: specs in english are in the works |
| 18:24.02 | nelson | prpplague: I thought that soldering was passe'? And that anything interesting came in a package so small you had no hope of hand-soldering it. |
| 18:24.51 | prpplague | nelson: how do you learn the hardware if you can;t hook things together? |
| 18:25.09 | prpplague | nelson: the hackkit is designed with .1" spaced headers |
| 18:25.24 | prpplague | nelson: you'll be able to buy off the shelf perf board and experiment |
| 18:25.32 | prpplague | nelson: no expensive equipment needed |
| 18:26.20 | prpplague | nelson: not one of the currenty available dev boards can do that |
| 18:29.10 | nelson | prpplague: I'll bet not. |
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| 18:37.51 | andersee | Russ: That seems to be where it is installed by the debian package, and is where it is installed on the tuxscreen |
| 18:38.16 | andersee | Russ: As was, ifupdown.c would try to execute /sbin/udhcpc and would therefore fail |
| 18:55.28 | prpplague | well frell, redhat's installation program doesn't detect existing reiserfs partitions |
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| 19:05.55 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: whats up? |
| 19:10.42 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: not too much |
| 19:10.52 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: just kindof getting going for the day |
| 19:14.06 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: you? |
| 19:15.28 | prpplague | any python experts here? |
| 19:16.43 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: workin' hard |
| 19:16.57 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: whats up with uclibc? Still sick? |
| 19:20.11 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: dunno. I fixed debugging arm binaries on friday I think it was. I'm looking in earnest now at finding anything else that may be broken. |
| 19:23.21 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: the tuxscreen wouldn't boot on Friday - had to revert clear back to .14 |
| 19:23.57 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: and several of my clients have reported problems - init seems to boot but thats the extent of it |
| 19:25.08 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: the current most likely suspects are getdents* and readdir* |
| 19:27.59 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: anything I can do to help? |
| 19:29.14 | andersee | Well, I need to see the error happening in a way I can both reproduce and debug it... |
| 19:29.37 | CosmicPenguin | boot the tuxscreen... :( |
| 19:29.42 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: I've just finished building buildroot-tux and nfs mounted it on my phone. |
| 19:30.10 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: I've got my tuxscreen boot using the snapshot from 15 January at the moment... |
| 19:30.14 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: debug messages show going into init, but not back out |
| 19:39.25 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: I'll see if I can recreate it in an x86 environment - maybe that will be easier for us to work with |
| 19:39.55 | andersee | sure |
| 19:40.19 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: I rebuilt the dev images on uclibc.org over the weekend |
| 19:40.40 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: If the problem is present on x86, it should show up in there |
| 19:40.52 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: sweet. I've got an extra mobo here, if I can track down a hard drive, I'll bring up my very own uclibc environment |
| 19:41.39 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: I do have some other jobs though, so if you find the problem, don't wait for me... :) |
| 19:42.39 | andersee | :) |
| 19:43.16 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: that would be cool though. It has gcc, gdb, etc. So that should work nicely for tracking things if I don;t find it first |
| 19:45.05 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: how big is the x86 distro? |
| 19:46.23 | andersee | It is a 100 MB ext2 filesystem. compressed with bzip2 of course on uclibc.org. |
| 19:47.14 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: I took the thing, dd'd it to a spare 120 GB drive, then ran fsck and resize2fs on it to make it fill the drive |
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| 19:47.46 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: The I chrooted into it and bagan compiling/testing stuff |
| 19:50.55 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: I see |
| 19:54.19 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: I think I may have found something.... |
| 20:05.02 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: I'm in the x86 environment right now, and nothing is amiss |
| 20:05.05 | CosmicPenguin | busybox works as normal |
| 20:05.13 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: what did you find? |
| 20:11.39 | andersee | Only relates to large file support stuff |
| 20:19.31 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: ran a quick test on readdir - seems happy to me |
| 20:25.45 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: yup. As near as I can tell, x86 seems fine |
| 20:26.31 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: unless its something specific to init |
| 20:30.39 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: are you seeing x86 unable to boot? |
| 20:32.39 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: I don't have anything to boot it with at the moment |
| 20:33.06 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: but you said that NFS mounted arm works, but ARM doesn't seem to want to boot for me |
| 20:33.15 | CosmicPenguin | So... |
| 20:33.31 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: I've got an idea I'm checking on now. |
| 20:33.48 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: k |
| 20:39.32 | Rocinante | msg CosmicPenguin I've sent you the Hawaiiwave RFI |
| 20:39.39 | Rocinante | oops |
| 20:45.53 | prpplague | argh, i can't believe redhat's attitude towards reiserfs |
| 20:47.56 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: didn't their boys help a ton with ext3? |
| 20:48.12 | file[laptop] | there |
| 20:48.20 | file[laptop] | my workstation is now capable of handling 4 more ATA or ATAPI devices |
| 20:48.23 | pattieja | prpplague: what's their attitude? |
| 20:55.58 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: definately wierdness on arm |
| 20:56.02 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: getdents(5, 0xbfffde3c, 4294967295) = -1 EINVAL (Invalid argument) |
| 20:56.18 | andersee | That was trying to read the entries in "/" |
| 21:00.47 | Tangent | What's the deal with madplay on the tux? It tells me... output: cannot resample 44100 Hz to 46800 Hz... and then exits.. I 'm sure that used to work months and months ago |
| 21:02.43 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: damn |
| 21:02.49 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: that would do it, I would guess |
| 21:04.57 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: ok, I think I've found the problem |
| 21:05.09 | andersee | rebuilding the tuxscreen world to check |
| 21:05.36 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: but a couple of static test binaries now work properly |
| 21:06.09 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: kewl |
| 21:07.21 | prpplague | pattieja: hang on a sec |
| 21:08.35 | prpplague | pattieja: straight from the install program - |
| 21:08.37 | prpplague | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:08.37 | prpplague | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:08.37 | prpplague | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:08.37 | prpplague | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:09.51 | Lethal | prpplague, thats not surprising. probably retribution for hans whining at redhat constantly during 2.4-test |
| 21:11.05 | prpplague | Lethal: ya well, i've started digging more into rhat stuff, the less happy i am with it |
| 21:11.39 | pattieja | prpplague: yep. we made our own distro based on RH 7.3 and removed all that junk. our distro now supports reiserfs in the installer without having to provide that option and detects and upgrades reiserfs RAID arrays |
| 21:11.48 | Lethal | prpplague, thats probably true too. but reiserfs has a whole slew of its own problems :P |
| 21:12.49 | Lethal | prpplague, last time I was hacking on it, reiserfsck decided that the proper behavior for dealing with dirty inodes was to implicitly truncate them to 0 size. it would also randomly flag inodes as dirty. I don't think i've ever had it do anything other then produce an unuseable fs. |
| 21:14.03 | Lethal | it also had fun features like a reentrant commit thread which would instantly corrupt the journal if you had both processors step in it :P |
| 21:14.36 | prpplague | pattieja: ahh so you fixed the anaconda script issues? |
| 21:14.57 | pattieja | yes |
| 21:15.17 | pattieja | we haven't hosted it yet, though, so it's not accessible |
| 21:15.19 | pattieja | yet |
| 21:15.35 | prpplague | pattieja: cool, can it be applied to the standard rhat as an update? |
| 21:16.07 | pattieja | not really |
| 21:16.17 | pattieja | that would be like applying an update to the ISO |
| 21:16.30 | prpplague | Lethal: we've been using reiserfs for about 6 months, and the only thing we've had problems with is some of the older vm stuff caused problems |
| 21:16.50 | prpplague | pattieja: so you didn't just fix the script, you created new ones? |
| 21:17.05 | pattieja | we have to remove all references to RH in all packages, which is requiring us to rebuild all RPMs from source |
| 21:17.09 | pattieja | right |
| 21:17.17 | prpplague | ahh |
| 21:17.33 | pattieja | so, basically, we're creating a "new" distro of Linux |
| 21:17.35 | prpplague | so did you guys do it in python too? |
| 21:17.49 | pattieja | of course, it has all the updates to RH 7.3 |
| 21:18.27 | pattieja | prpplague: my brother's the one who did all the work on that. basically, he just took RedHat's build environment for their ISOs, and modified the anaconda installer to do exactly what we need |
| 21:18.30 | prpplague | pattieja: darn, i was hopin i could use what you had to fix this |
| 21:18.50 | pattieja | he added entirely new sections too for new computer types in the installer |
| 21:18.56 | pattieja | prpplague: you should be able to |
| 21:19.07 | pattieja | but you would probably end up needing to install our version of stuff |
| 21:19.22 | prpplague | pattieja: ya, i probably couldn't get approval on that |
| 21:19.41 | Lethal | prpplague, last time I hacked on it was around 2.4-test and 2.2 :P |
| 21:19.50 | prpplague | Lethal: ahh |
| 21:20.17 | Lethal | prpplague, we were trying to use it on a cluster, but its inability to run on smp was a major nuisance. eventually after hacking on it for awhile, we just tossed it out and hacked on ext3 instead :P |
| 21:20.20 | prpplague | pattieja: could i get a copy of the .py files he is using? |
| 21:20.34 | Lethal | prpplague, plus I'm not a huge fan of hans' business practices :P |
| 21:21.17 | prpplague | Lethal: understood |
| 21:22.37 | pattieja | prpplague: are you trying to use the dynamic update feature of the installer to change the installation process? |
| 21:23.17 | prpplague | pattieja: ya i can fix problems on the install using the update procedure, however, i've yet to locate this reiserfs problem |
| 21:23.30 | pattieja | what's your problem? |
| 21:24.14 | prpplague | pattieja: the rhat install stuff has no method of detecting pre-existing reiserfs partitions and marks them as swap |
| 21:24.41 | prpplague | pattieja: this is a problem when upgrading to a new version of rhat because we have to re-format all drives |
| 21:24.46 | Lethal | prpplague, can't you manually tag them as reiserfs in fdisk? or do you have to use the inept disk druid thingy? |
| 21:24.58 | prpplague | pattieja: and when you have 5 180gb raid cabinets thats not easy |
| 21:25.18 | pattieja | software or hardware? |
| 21:25.35 | prpplague | Lethal: after you tag them in fdisk, the disk druid needs to be run to set the mount points and thats where it fails to identify |
| 21:25.44 | prpplague | pattieja: hardware raid |
| 21:26.07 | Lethal | prpplague, it can't just ignore it and let you manually fixup the fstab later? |
| 21:26.24 | pattieja | prpplague: e-mail address? |
| 21:26.31 | prpplague | Lethal: negative, it tries to format the partition as a swap partition |
| 21:26.39 | Lethal | wtf |
| 21:26.39 | prpplague | ibot: prpplague |
| 21:26.40 | | from memory, prpplague is mailto:dave123@abcsinc.com or Dave Anders |
| 21:26.41 | Lethal | what a piece of shit |
| 21:26.58 | Lethal | prpplague, 4.2 never did that :P |
| 21:27.15 | prpplague | Lethal: ya, anaconda has its share of problems |
| 21:27.43 | kergoth | :D |
| 21:27.58 | prpplague | kergoth: lol, already there at home |
| 21:28.17 | prpplague | kergoth: i'm just lucky i got them off of sco |
| 21:28.25 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:28.29 | kergoth | yep, definately an improvement |
| 21:28.58 | Lethal | so would be just turning them off |
| 21:28.58 | Lethal | :P |
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| 21:32.39 | pattieja | prpplague: on the way... |
| 21:32.51 | prpplague | pattieja: cool thanks |
| 21:32.55 | pattieja | np |
| 21:33.27 | prpplague | Lethal: you don't have to turn them off, just leave those SCO boxes running for a week to 10 days, they'll just kp |
| 21:34.21 | MonMotha | prpplague: do you have a way to recover from bricked webpals? |
| 21:34.52 | Lethal | prpplague, heh |
| 21:36.13 | prpplague | MonMotha: i've just swapped my sims out, i.e. boot on a good one, then when linux is running, swap out the sim and use the userland app to flash the boot loader |
| 21:36.39 | MonMotha | prpplague: hum, k |
| 21:36.44 | MonMotha | I was building a flash burner |
| 21:36.49 | MonMotha | figured I might as well throw a SIMM socket on |
| 21:36.59 | prpplague | MonMotha: that that will work too |
| 21:37.09 | MonMotha | figured that always works |
| 21:37.21 | prpplague | MonMotha: i was gonna add a slot on a daughter board for the hackkit |
| 21:37.25 | MonMotha | and then you don't have problems with the fact that your swapping stuff directly connceted to the proc's local bus :) |
| 21:37.31 | MonMotha | prpplague: as was I |
| 21:38.08 | MonMotha | prpplague: you may find http://www.cypress.com/products/datasheet.cfm?partnum=SL811HS useful for your hackkit |
| 21:38.11 | MonMotha | if you want USB host |
| 21:44.45 | MonMotha | I really need to get a xinerama setup |
| 21:57.12 | MonMotha | hum, any board etchers here? how difficult is it to use surface mount components (SO-IC, no smaller) with etched boards? Is it precise enough? |
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| 22:12.49 | prpplague | MonMotha: TomW is the guru |
| 22:12.55 | MonMotha | k |
| 22:14.15 | vosque | Is there a relatively recent jffs2 image for the tuxscreen with X on it, or is there just buildroot? |
| 22:14.56 | MonMotha | you can have my image if you'd like |
| 22:15.04 | MonMotha | it was done with buildroot tho |
| 22:15.13 | vosque | oo.. That would be neat. |
| 22:15.17 | vosque | That's fine. |
| 22:15.26 | vosque | I'm having a devil of the time making it go on my Gentoo box. |
| 22:15.38 | MonMotha | hang on, let me upload it to somewhere |
| 22:17.17 | MonMotha | give me 3 minutes |
| 22:17.25 | vosque | okee, thanks! |
| 22:17.37 | prpplague | pattieja: hmm, still having the same problem |
| 22:22.01 | MonMotha | vosque: http://monmotha.mplug.org/tuxscreen_image.jffs2 |
| 22:22.17 | MonMotha | s/_/-/ |
| 22:22.41 | vosque | Great! |
| 22:22.47 | vosque | wow. 11MB. |
| 22:23.03 | vosque | what's on it? |
| 22:23.14 | MonMotha | hum, that can't be right |
| 22:23.29 | MonMotha | nm, must be broken |
| 22:23.33 | MonMotha | obviously it doesn't fit ont he tux |
| 22:23.38 | vosque | I was wondering. |
| 22:24.36 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: I think I've got it fixed. Reflashing my tuxscreen to check... |
| 22:25.01 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: If this indeed fixes it, I think i'll cut a new uClibc release... |
| 22:31.12 | MonMotha | vosque: eh, I don't know why it's so big |
| 22:31.26 | MonMotha | if you happen to have jffs loopback capabilities (I don't atm), moutn it loopback and see what you can do |
| 22:31.59 | andersee | MonMotha: use jffs2reader |
| 22:32.20 | andersee | MonMotha: Then you can look at it w/o loop mounting |
| 22:32.41 | MonMotha | andersee: but can you modify it |
| 22:32.42 | MonMotha | ? |
| 22:32.54 | andersee | MonMotha: nope. |
| 22:33.06 | andersee | MonMotha: just list the contents |
| 22:33.51 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: ok, looks like that fixed it. |
| 22:34.49 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: woohoo |
| 22:35.04 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: let me know when the new version is down |
| 22:35.37 | andersee | MonMotha: I just manually updated the daily snapshot. |
| 22:35.41 | andersee | err |
| 22:35.48 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: I just manually updated the daily snapshot. |
| 22:36.25 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: The only thing is that pcmcia doesn't work properly with linux-2.4.19-rmk6-tux1 |
| 22:36.57 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: I'm gonna revert my phone to 2.4.18-rmk6-tux1 |
| 22:37.17 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: I'll also set that as the default for buildroot |
| 22:39.36 | MonMotha | did my patch ever get put in a tux patch? |
| 22:39.51 | andersee | MonMotha: what patch? |
| 22:40.21 | MonMotha | andersee: the segfault in the wheaties.c SPI interrupt handler setup |
| 22:40.32 | MonMotha | set up the interrupt handler before it kmallocs |
| 22:40.51 | MonMotha | (of course, I then forgot the kfree if the IRQ handler setup failed, so make sur eyou fix that, that's easy) |
| 22:51.28 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: so, it was only ARM that was borked? |
| 22:52.12 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: nope. All archs. But was most prominently broken on arm |
| 22:54.08 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: so why did my x86 test app work then? |
| 22:54.25 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: anyway, thank goodness for the Netwinder, huh? :) |
| 22:55.30 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: The problem only shows up when building app with large file support... |
| 22:56.04 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: I see... |
| 23:37.20 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: the buildroot has been updated then? |
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